There is no Bok World Cup plan
16 Aug 2006
Everything about the Springboks at the moment is hit and miss. It will be no different at next year’s World Cup.
Events in the last two months have shown up the lack of World Cup planning, starting with the warm-up match against the World XV, the debacle at Newlands against the French and the embarrassment overseas during the Vodacom Tri Nations.
Each time the Boks stumble, the management ducks in behind a World Cup excuse. There’s no crime in that if there was a World Cup excuse. If the Boks were losing and struggling because of World Cup preparation, you could still stomach recent events. But there has been nothing to suggest any sort of plan with any player.
Let’s go through the list, starting with Meyer Bosman last year. Bosman was the controversial selection for the end of year tour and White waxed lyrical about the natural talents of a 20 year-old he said could play anywhere in the backline. White told the media he had been following Bosman’s career since the player was a 16 year-old and that the kid had it all. He picked him against Wales and started him against France. And that’s been Bosman’s exposure to the big time, other than warming international benches and carrying tackles bags.
White could have played him against the World XV or in two Scottish tests if he had a plan with the player. He never did and despite Bosman not making the initial playing squad for this test season injury to Andre Pretorius prompted White to pick Bosman again. He took him on a Tri Nations tour and never played him again. Instead he flew Butch James to New Zealand and played him against the All Blacks. There has been no plan with Bosman whatsoever, other than to stuff him around.
White introduced 32 year-old veteran Andre Snyman from Leeds and told the media Akona Ndungane lacked pace. Two months later and Ndungane is the test winger and Snyman is trying to get a release from a World Cup contract to play in France. Danie Coetzee, another veteran playing in England, was flown in from London Irish and paid to travel with the Boks. He is 32 years-old and played eight out of 22 matches for London Irish in the last year. We saw nothing of him in the test arena in the last two months. He’s on his way back to England. When Jaco van der Westhuyzen signed to play in Japan White said it was the best thing for him. White (YAWN) quoted his good mate Eddie Jones on the pros of Van der Westhuyzen playing in Japan and how the player could improve his skills because of the lack of pressure. Now White says he needs to get Van der Westhuyzen out of his Japanese contract because it is killing his international rugby. Van der Westhuyzen’s also gone back to Japan. Three players on Bok salaries not currently involved in the Tri Nations.
White at the start of the year said this was the season that he needed to find out if he had capable back-up to Percy Montgomery. In seven matches, six of them being tests, he has tried no other fullback and in four of the tests Monty has been appalling. When asked in Australia who Monty’s back-up was, White mentioned the likes of Johan Roets and Willem de Waal. He did this while Pietersen was lugging tackle bags around. Pietersen will get a game this weekend, but it will be for the Sharks. White wants him back with the Boks on Monday. Why? To carry more tackle bags. After 79 tests with Montgomery, he knows what he has. Why doesn’t he expose Pietersen to test rugby and see what he may have in the 20 year-old? If there was any planning around the likes of Pietersen, we would have seen a game schedule mapped out for him.
White and his selectors continue to clutch at straws. The majority of players who cocked up in Australia continue to be rewarded, while domestic form has proved meaningless.
Breyton Paulse has been lured back to South Africa and is now on holiday. White has axed him from the Tri Nations squad.
Brent Russell was not in the mix before the French test in Cape Town. He got picked because of injury to Paulse and was one of the Boks better players. He got taken to Australia and New Zealand and never made a match 22. Now he is out of national mix again. Where was the planning around Russell? There wasn’t any.
Pierre Spies was overlooked for the initial season’s training group and the excuse was used that he would be available for the under 21 World Championship. He excelled as a flanker in the tournament and White picked him to tour Australia. He then capped him as a No 8 in a one-dimensional ball-carrying loose-trio to play Australia in Brisbane. Spies was poor and the hapless Joe van Niekerk was even worse playing out of position as an opensider. A few weeks earlier Van Niekerk had looked good as a No 8 against the World XV and Scotland. Now he can’t make the starting XV.
White had the opportunity to introduce new midfield talent against France, if there was indeed a plan. He didn’t. He phoned De Wet Barry, asked him to play 80 minutes of test rugby after a month’s break and then dropped the player because he lacked penetration in the test match. White then told the media that he was keen to pick Marius Joubert on the Boks return to South Africa. Joubert had not been on a rugby field in two months and when he eventually got back on a week ago he hurt his ankle.
White in May flew Anthony Eddie, an Australian consultant, into Bloemfontein to work with the Bok backs. He waxed lyrical. Now Eddie’s out of the mix and White has turned to Alan Zondagh to work with the backs. Zondagh has been in Cape Town for the last few years and has been running his own academy in Cape Town. Where was the planning around that one? Where was Zondagh in May?
Gary Gold was White’s ‘rush defence’ expert and go to man in 2004 and 2005. Gold is now working in South Africa, but his expertise has not been asked for again with the Boks? Planning?
Gert Smal went to Toulouse to find out a bit more about scrumming techniques, but no call was made to Heyneke Meyer, the best forwards specialist in South Africa. White ended up with Balie Swart, whose role at the Sharks was reduced to a cameo post Kevin Putt.
Andy Marinos, National Teams general manager, lambastes his players for lacking professionalism in a rugby magazine in an article that reads desperation and not inspiration.
All World Cup planning as far as selections go were put on hold when France beat the Boks. At least that’s the excuse at SARU.
But if there was a World Cup selection plan and it was founded on solid principles then a win or a defeat against France should not have altered these selections.
New Zealand’s coaching staff declared that Dan Carter would play only two matches on the Grand Slam tour and that only a few players would play more than two matches. They were true to their word. When the All Blacks beat England to set up only the second Grand Slam for New Zealand the following week against Scotland coach Graham Henry made 13 changes. He said that playing the new guys meant more in terms of the World Cup planning than playing his best team to win a Grand Slam. He said the same when he juggled for the two test series against Ireland and the one-off against Argentina. In all three tests New Zealand struggled and were in a position to lose all three. Henry stuck to the plan because he had a plan and it was a plan he and his team believe in.
Henry had picked both Irish and Argentinean test line-ups three weeks before the tests. Results did not change this.
Take young Isaia Toeava as an example of World Cup planning. He was taken on tour with a coaching staff intent on playing him only in the last test. This done, he was drafted to the Canes to play regularly at fullback. This done, he was picked to play Argentina at outside centre. This done, he was picked in the match 22 for the Australian test. This done he was released to play for Auckland at inside centre one week and a request was made that he play outside centre last week. Now, nearly nine months after first touring with the All Blacks, the management are comfortable to give him a start at outside centre against Australia. It is part of the World Cup plan.
The All Blacks have even pencilled in the team to play the Boks in a fortnight. It is called planning. Now compare Toeava to Pietersen, Russell, Spies, Ralapele, Sephaka, Gary Botha, Pienaar and Bosman and talk about a World Cup plan.
This week White will again talk about his axed international coaching mates Eddie Jones and Clive Woodward and the need to explore every avenue. Unfortunately there is no conviction about any World Cup plan. There is a lot of talk about it, more as an excuse when things go wrong, but the examples I just listed illustrate how little thought has gone into who the 30 World Cup players should be and just what each player’s role will be.
Again I ask. What happens when Monty goes down? Who replaces him? Still Jake plays him into the ground, as he does with John Smit. For what? To gain some redemption at winning home test matches?
It is all hit and miss as are the excuses about Luke Watson’s continued omission.
The latest one is that the senior players don’t want Watson. Yep, those brave souls who turned their backs and threw in the towel 49-0 in Brisbane. Those senior players.
As I said, all in the name of World Cup planning.
Yeah. Right.
821 Comments
15 Aug 2006, 22:41 pm
greetings from Cincinnati..watching Nadal…Roddick…Federer all on centre court! Better than rugga circus…
15 Aug 2006, 22:43 pm
and the view is pretty stunning on this hot summer day I may add…
15 Aug 2006, 22:43 pm
Oh Damn this is a loooooong post.
I have an extremely short attention span so I am only going to read the firts 3 lines.
15 Aug 2006, 22:44 pm
The general view looks a little negative?
15 Aug 2006, 22:46 pm
negative indeed
15 Aug 2006, 22:47 pm
Did you read the whole post adj?
15 Aug 2006, 22:48 pm
have we moved here now? wait are you trying to ditch me?? how rude..
15 Aug 2006, 22:49 pm
You didn’t answer my question about wildebeest girl6. Talk about rude…..
15 Aug 2006, 22:49 pm
no lost interest round about where keo lies and tells everybody that danie coetzee is a salary paid bok when i know for a fact he only got paid a daily allowance
15 Aug 2006, 22:50 pm
no girl6 your boyfriend is trying to ditch you.
but can see why
you a bit obsessive
15 Aug 2006, 22:51 pm
Skim, clearly I have once again overestimated your capacity to spend a minute reading a piece. My apologies …
PS … not negative, just factually correct
15 Aug 2006, 22:52 pm
Oh, alright.
I’ll have it finished by tommorow morning if I go all night, promise.
15 Aug 2006, 22:54 pm
im only obsessive about luke (: my boyfriend loves me back at least…
there are no wildebeest invovled in my extra curricular activities.
and I answered that question on the other thread!
15 Aug 2006, 22:54 pm
How about danish chicks and nacho’s?
15 Aug 2006, 22:56 pm
This thread is DEAD!
hey, that rhymes.
15 Aug 2006, 22:56 pm
where is this love of your live when he leaves you at this hour conveying your love to a few cyber strangers?
is he scrumming somebody else tonight?
15 Aug 2006, 22:56 pm
White released Russell because he calls him a jack-of-all-trades kind of player, and he doesn’t have room for him in the squad!!!! Yet he should be in in the run-on 15 at all times and only left out to rest the odd match or so.
Reading some of the more recent articles, it really becomes clear that Saru have no idea what to do next. Jake is not the way forward anymore.
Why can’t he just take note of the general sentiment of the public and hand in his notice?
Why does this guy have to be so selfish?
15 Aug 2006, 22:56 pm
nope sorry.
15 Aug 2006, 22:57 pm
all is not well in paradise if you ask me.
move on.
15 Aug 2006, 22:58 pm
have to go to bed. early lectures tomorrow. taking my pic of luke with me for some midnight fun ha ha. night.
15 Aug 2006, 22:59 pm
OMG
15 Aug 2006, 23:00 pm
what is happening to our youth?
15 Aug 2006, 23:00 pm
Its a good yarn but in SA where the only currency is results, Jake has no chance.
15 Aug 2006, 23:01 pm
That lack of a proper 4 year plan with one-year benchmarks is entirely Jake’s fault.
He has all the time in the world to assemble a team, with necessary back-ups, around a proper set of game-plans, but he’s played most of his key men completely into the ground while the splinter-gatherers on his bench are just there for “the team experience” — which means eating breakfast omelettes with the boys in the team hotel and very little else besides.
Its too late to change anything at this point. Percy and Os have been over the hill for years already and will only get worse. There is no clear go-to guy in the number 10 shirt, let alone a stand-in as backup. The team captain is about the tenth best in his position at number two and his captaincy “skills” (in inverted commas) are almost as laughable as those of his hopeless predecessor, Corny.
Maybe a complete last-minute cleanout from coach downward would at least offer some remote glimmer of hope, while more of the “same old same old” will surely just bring in the “same old” lack of any serious silverware?
15 Aug 2006, 23:05 pm
you can’t plan for a world cup
there is way to much rugby to be played before then.
15 Aug 2006, 23:05 pm
Tackler, read the post two places on.
15 Aug 2006, 23:07 pm
Dreadfull, really terrible.
Clash of the Titans.
15 Aug 2006, 23:09 pm
WHERE IS EVERYONE????
15 Aug 2006, 23:12 pm
JW will argue that he did use this season to try new WC options, Spies, Olivier, Ndugwane etc.
15 Aug 2006, 23:13 pm
But he sent Spies home.
15 Aug 2006, 23:15 pm
Skim – WP to strengthen their hold on top of thevlog this weekend. If we did not loose in the dying minute against the Sharks we would have beenunbeaten so far this season .
15 Aug 2006, 23:16 pm
Good stuff Markie,one of you best articles.
White has lost the plot and its sad to see that even the most hardened idiot Bulls fan (no offense my fellow Bullies,but you do sometimes go by the ‘Maak die Bulle Bokke’ principle,damm my Afrikaans sucks) can choose a better team than Jake White.
Jake should have blooded JP,Barrit,Ruan and to some extent Brits and Watson (we all know they can play). What about that Tbang Molefie chap playing for the Bulls u21,why not bring him into the squad to get used the setup,he’s a Bok in the making.
Russell should have played both games against the Aussies (at 10 with Butch at 12) and Percy should be lying on the beach in Durban.
Keo,do you think Jake White reads this site?
15 Aug 2006, 23:17 pm
Hopefully just to get some game time.
15 Aug 2006, 23:20 pm
The best article I ever read is the one in the August issue of SARUGBY by keo.
Excefreakinlent!
15 Aug 2006, 23:20 pm
WP IS KONING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
net soos Luke!!
15 Aug 2006, 23:21 pm
Which one Skim?
15 Aug 2006, 23:23 pm
The one about Jake 2004 vs Jake 2006.
That was great, I wanted to send it to Jake2006.
15 Aug 2006, 23:25 pm
Jammer, daar is geen meer voorraad.
16 Aug 2006, 00:47 am
Yip that’s what they said in 2004 when the boks won the tri nations and climbed the world rankings.
16 Aug 2006, 01:00 am
What’s NEW Pussycat!
16 Aug 2006, 01:10 am
I never expected any 2007 RWC plan from JW or Sarfu for that matter
What you see is what you get!
16 Aug 2006, 01:11 am
good article
i’d bet that even the players in the squad are wondering when jake is going to make some plans. they would probably say something anonomously, but fear of losing face in front of a school teacher might scare some okes.
our players have no power. they just sit with their mouths shut and agree to whats going on. get paid, play the best they can, under what ever trash gameplan thats been drawn up the night before.
you wouldnt see a larkham, gregan, mortlock, oliver, weepu, hayman, mils just sit there and go, “****, what the hell is going on here. we playing like ****, we dont know what the plan is. there is no clear objective we building towards, whats going on mr coach?”
our players are such sheep at the moment. perhaps luke and maybe britz) is the only guy speaking his mind, and that scares jake and the others. we cant control our players if they have their own opinions!
16 Aug 2006, 01:16 am
The Boks don’t have a chance in next years WC.
I hate the Poms, don’t like the arrogant Aussies and can’t stand the All Blacks when they are winning.
That leaves me rooting for the Frogs again – especially since they are the home team as well.
VIVE LE FRANCE!
16 Aug 2006, 01:16 am
The Boks don’t have a chance in next years WC.
I hate the Poms, don’t like the arrogant Aussies and can’t stand the All Blacks when they are winning.
That leaves me rooting for the Frogs again – especially since they are the home team as well.
VIVE LE FRANCE!
16 Aug 2006, 01:20 am
france will definitely be a contender, and hopefully a finalist. that would make a spectacular final with their whole country behind them.
i cant see past the AB right now. they are looking very strong, and no one can fault their preparation for next year. they mite have one bad game, and that could cost them all this prep.
16 Aug 2006, 02:08 am
Great Post Keo,
110% Spot on in my view! thanks for the good read
16 Aug 2006, 02:15 am
Excellent article Keo you are right on the money
But is anyone listening?
16 Aug 2006, 02:17 am
ABs are world cup chokers 91,95,99,2003 so why not 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 02:22 am
Can someone tell Jake these things Keo writes about just writing about it is useless he needs to no so we can get the catteracs off his eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 02:32 am
I agree with tackler. The cuurent situation is not ideal for the Bok preparation leading into WC 07. JW’s OBSESSION with bashing opposition teams into submission has not worked. Teams have have worked out strategies to combat it. Instead, he should have focussed on selecting the right players, with the right attitude better suited to adapt to a wider game plan. I think no amount of patching over the cracks will help his cause. The AB’s will more than likely field a second 15 for the first encounter against the Boks. This has come about, as a direct result of the GH master plan to win the world cup. He hasnt deviated one iota.This wasnt hatched over a few beers in some bar, rather a think tank of suitably qualified and experienced coaches contributing ideas and strategies to give them the best possible chance of success. There is no guess work or phoney talk going on here. You can be rest assured. Will they choke…. I dont think so.
16 Aug 2006, 03:06 am
Very good post Keo. I was a Jake supporter until I read and agree with your post.
Skim- I only ever read 3 of your posts to find it complete waste of time. You dont like to read but expect me to read all your wasteful posts?
16 Aug 2006, 03:16 am
Viva la France as the bokke right now have no chance. Anybody as world champs except NZ or OZ. We could have done it. Two years ago I was so hopeful. Now my hopes are in tatters. How does the hero coach become the villan. How did Jake see so clearly in the early days and now he gets it so wrong? 49-0 really hurt. I dont think Jake and the boys will recover. I predict a new coach and team within a year.
16 Aug 2006, 04:09 am
boklash post #48
Is that your “Bok World Cup plan”?
Better than Jakes I guess but I can still spot a few flaws in it!
16 Aug 2006, 04:55 am
i dont know what to say okes another hit and miss for out poor boks
16 Aug 2006, 04:58 am
as long as province wins the currie cup
16 Aug 2006, 05:03 am
No not my plan just winding the kiwis up seem to have got your attention…..My plan keep Jake White hopefully he will wake up soon and not get his sons to fetch his beer.We have enough good Coaches to give him fresh ideas and even help as spesialist coaches and we have the talent U19 & U21 World Champs those payers are around we need to use them and stop flogging the dead horses we have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 05:04 am
Ye Go Povince!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 05:07 am
We’ll see you in 2010 then,
by then you should be able to front a respectable challenge.
16 Aug 2006, 05:18 am
Sorry to hear about your moari Queen bro!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 06:22 am
Moa is a bird that we wiped out in NZ a couple of hundred years ago…Maori would be better if you’re being sincere.
I actually go to her Wellington home very regularly
16 Aug 2006, 06:47 am
Is she like the queen of England or some thing?
16 Aug 2006, 06:52 am
Article is spot on !
For a change…I hope you can tackle the useless squad that Jake has assembled as well, next time Keo ?
You can start with the gingerbread-man captain at number two and work your way down to the pudding playing at fullback, Pissy Monty, ouch, it will be painful reading, hardly a worthwhile name in between…
People ask;
How did Jake get it so wrong ?
Well he never had it right to start with !
He was a lucky coach whose luck has simply ran out(which is going to be the WP story this year as well), I never liked him nor his team right from the start, and after winning the Tri nations on a bonus point, the facade started to crack immediately in the North when he got badly beaten by the Irish and English, yet most people continued to believe beyond believe, the king wasn’t naked after all…until now !
People say he can’t be fired now, but why not ?!
I don’t think there is anyone left in SA anymore who HONESTLY believe SA is going to pull off anything at the world cup, so why go through the motions ?
Fire the guy and the WHOLE squad…better to start from scratch, or the last supporter standing will be the one crying the longest crocodile tears…
Francois
16 Aug 2006, 06:59 am
Mmm, have to say I agree. White seemed like he had a plan 2 years ago. He had the midas touch. That has all changed, the way all these players have been treated are just stupid.
What about Cobus Visagie, he proves that Jake is taking things personally instead of thinking clearly.
Having said that, we will NOT WIN the WC. No coach is going to change that.
Well, ok, lets be positive,10 % of that happening
16 Aug 2006, 07:09 am
pompies,
No the Maori queen is nothing like the English queen for 2 main reasons:
1. It is more of a ceremonial position than one of power, she had no say in the government (although she was often consulted by polititians and those on positions of authority
2. The people of NZ respect her!
16 Aug 2006, 07:18 am
In general, a very well constructed article with plenty of pertinent facts to ponder. There are one or two comments which may be speculation but I suppose when Saru don’t have any idea where they headed, speculation may just be correct in the end. I am now going to read what old Noakes has to say about “the Tackler”.
16 Aug 2006, 07:26 am
I see that the Sky Sports rugby commentators have included Cobus Visagie in their “dream team”, chosen from everyone playing in the UK. Local and foreign. He’s included alongside the likes of Justin Marshall and Carlos Spencer.
Of course, we all know he doesn’t bind and the English rugby writers don’t have a clue about the game.
16 Aug 2006, 07:41 am
As I’ve said before .. and will until jw is gone ..
Jake White needs to go, and with him his useless assistance, gert & allistor .. and lets not forget that useless lump of lard that lumbers around the field and pretends to be a rugby player, our weak capt, john ‘homer’ smit.
16 Aug 2006, 07:48 am
Folanke – Good thing you want him to start with to Cause there’s nothing wrong with nr 1 . OS is a LEGEND
16 Aug 2006, 07:49 am
Here is a plan for you, Jake. Reward creativity, initiative and thinking for tehmselves. Get rid of the thick players. Here here is the run-on 15 you should be looking to for the world cup.
1.Os du Randt
2.Schalk Brits
3.Cobus Visagie
4.Bakkies Botha
5.Victor Matfield
6.Luke Watson
7.Pierre Spies
8.Schalk Burger (give him game-time in this position and he will be great)
9.Ruan Pienaar
10.Butch James
11.Bryan Habana
12.Jean de Villiers
13.Jacques Fourie
14.Ashwin Willemse
15.JP Pietersen
Reserves:
Chilliboy Ralepelle
CJ van der Linde
Johann Muller
Joe van Niekerk
Fourie du Preez
Brent Russell
André Pretorius
16 Aug 2006, 07:49 am
oops to=Two
16 Aug 2006, 07:51 am
Garth , what did you have for brealfast mate? Ashwin?, no Juan Smit?
16 Aug 2006, 07:52 am
Agreed…Os is the MAN !!!
F
16 Aug 2006, 07:54 am
KEO,
One of your best articles ever. EXCELLENT.
Yes there is no plan and there never was a plan. The only plan is that Joke wants to win the home 3N testsn to get critics off his back.
Compare NZ’s planning over the last two and a half years to the planning of the boks. It would be a grave injustice if the All Blacks dont win the 2007 WC.
As for the rumour that senior player dont want Luke, it is criminal. But the likes of keo and andy colquhoun have said as far back as last year that JW had turned the Boks into a clique. The result is that Joke actually listens if Smit says he doesnt like Luke.
16 Aug 2006, 08:01 am
Keo – who is Jake’s back-up captain when John Smit fails?
Excellent article – just proves once again that Jake has painted himself into corners too many…and one only does that by contradicting one self once, thrice too many times…
16 Aug 2006, 08:02 am
Tackler of note
Juan Smith – He would be in my ideal squad, but I do not rate him above those I have listed. Ashwin, if fit and in form is briliant.
16 Aug 2006, 08:07 am
QUOTE OF THE WEEK
Jake White picked Springbok rugby up out of the gutter.. and brought it down to his level.
16 Aug 2006, 08:07 am
Nice team Garth although I’d move Jacque Fourie to fullback (which I believe to be his better possie) and give Habana a run at 13 where he’ll see more of the ball.
Does anyone really believe Ashwin is going to play again? I love the idea but unfortunately it seems he’s screwed longterm. I’d like to see Pietersen, both Ndunganes, Chavangha, Nokwe (once they work on his high ball technique) and that new Sharks wing Burden(?) battling it out on the wing. Pietersen to be backup for 15
Reserve bench would probably also feature BJ Botha, Robbie Diack, Ross Skeate
16 Aug 2006, 08:19 am
Good article Keo, although I am not sure that the planning exercise was ever a one man job. It would have involved all those wonderful committees at least and that door mat Hoskins.
I still think that the poison in the mix is the PC 14 together with the SARU structure. It’s enough to make a sane person mad.
Going against the ‘wonderful’ academy at Alicedale, I’d be more positive about rugby’s future if there were full time facilities at all the major unions at least.
16 Aug 2006, 08:19 am
The All Blacks have started planning for the RWC about 2 years ago. With 14 month to go it’s not too late for SA to do the same. After Saturday trinations will go to NZ and there will be no meaning in remaining matches. This will be the best opportunity to see what players that are on form can do. Give the likes of Matfield, Os, Smith, Habana a rest to get off many niggles they they I’m sure are carying. Get rid of dead wood like Percy and try new players. Give Bossman a go at 12, try barrit, give JP Petersen a go at 15, try other players, experiment and may be by next summer JW will know what he’s got.
16 Aug 2006, 08:21 am
“In Jake we trust!”
Haven’t we all seen that posted on this site many times. Doesn’t sound so cool no, does it?
16 Aug 2006, 08:23 am
So true , but these guys don’t listen and they never will. Why didn’t Jake just take the job overseas. I don’t think he know’s what to do anymore. Why does Hoskins hang on to Jake if Jake doesn’t do a good job ? Well one can understand that Jake is without a few of his top players but that’s no excuse for the poor performance so far. What do we call this now , a gravy train ? Howcome you take so many players with you and all they do is carrying bags around. I don’t believe that Jake’s got a plan for the World Cup. I would say it’s time for all of them to go after the 3N.
16 Aug 2006, 08:23 am
Let’s look at it from Jake’s point of view:
“Fok die beplanning, waar gaan ek weer ‘n job kry na die world cup?â€
16 Aug 2006, 08:31 am
Keo, one of the better articles written about the current crisis the springboks are in.
In fact many springbok supporters in this country could have written this article. We all know what the big problems are in the Springbok setup.
When is someone in the media going to get some answers about the lack of planning for the world cup. Everyone seems to write article after article but never manage to get answers from SARU, Jake White, his coaching staff and the selectors. The guys on Boots and All have got no balls and Joost and his bunch even less.
If Jake and his team were running a business and reporting their results, progress and planning to
the board, they would all be out on the *** without a job.
Can someone in the media, with balls, please get some answers from these clowns.
We the rugby public, wait in anticipation for their answers.
16 Aug 2006, 08:33 am
keo
I’m beginning to get the impression that Jake is rather a weak man.
His use of various part time assistants is indicative of someone who is frightened of losing control.
If the speculation is correct that his senior players don’t want Luke then the tail is really wagging the dog.
Without proposing a conspiracy theory, the senior players are mainly Bulls forwards and probably have far too big an influence on the game plan.
16 Aug 2006, 08:43 am
One better, Jake White if you actually read this website, how about answering the questions and sharing your plans with the rugby public directly on this website.
If you have a plan, tell us about it, then maybe you will get some support from the public.
Come on Jake I dare you.
16 Aug 2006, 08:49 am
alien
jake cant read, otherwise he wouldve been able to read the writing on the wall! :0
16 Aug 2006, 08:51 am
SARU is a circus…
Any coach in a circus looks like a clown!
translation: until SARU comes right, the coach is irrelevent.
16 Aug 2006, 08:52 am
Alien
Why should Jake go public with his cunning plan? Once the ABs, Aussies, French and English know how brilliant it is they’ll ditch their own mediocre attempts at winning the WC and steal it for themselves.
16 Aug 2006, 08:54 am
i saw Jake on superrugby and his reasoning just doesnt seem sound..
he seems like a nice guy, but you know what they say about nice guys. He is beginning to remind me of Ford when he was coaching the cricket team..
16 Aug 2006, 08:58 am
Bluebarb
He actually reminds me of Ford when he was running America.
In fact the whole of SARU sounds like another Ford. “You can have any colour you like so long as it’s black”.
16 Aug 2006, 09:18 am
very clever David
16 Aug 2006, 09:19 am
White has lost the plot, but you have to say the system has now worn hin down. He will quit after the tri nations. Doesent matter who replaces him the system will have the same effect. Sadly our sport at the highest level is gone for good.
16 Aug 2006, 09:23 am
I think that a bok coach must only sighn a 2 year contract .. and then only extentions from there on ..
16 Aug 2006, 09:24 am
KEO – KEO – KEO
Is there a perfomance clause in Jake Whites contract – we all have heard stories about the need to win as many matches as possible because of a contract clasue
What is the clause and how does it work ???
I have a feeling this is the root cause of selection issues
16 Aug 2006, 09:27 am
Maybe it’s because his an english man We need an afrikaans coach Ons ken net van skiet skop en donner
16 Aug 2006, 09:29 am
post 69
Garth
Go back and put some proper ethnic colour in the mix – you’ll never get that team past anyone
16 Aug 2006, 09:32 am
Jake’s the man with the plan because he believes he can!!
16 Aug 2006, 09:32 am
Weepee 100
Pumas 12
16 Aug 2006, 09:35 am
wp 1050 pumas 3
16 Aug 2006, 09:37 am
The WC07 plan is to win the Poms and loose the rest!
16 Aug 2006, 09:39 am
Keo
Are you still a journalis?
What else do you do besides run this website?
Nice article as I’ve said before but
why don’t you get your hands dirty and get an interview with Jake for some answers and then post that interview on this site.Do you have the balls to interview him in person and get answers?
Does Jake not want to talk to you? or haven’t you got the contacts anymore to get that interview.
Please Keo, share YOUR PLAN about getting that interview with Jake for your website readers.
16 Aug 2006, 09:40 am
styv – go back to your class room or get off your mom’s pc before she finds out.
16 Aug 2006, 09:41 am
Post 100 your language will ensure that becomes your last post on this site…
16 Aug 2006, 09:43 am
Keo what do you make of the fact that they approached Zondagh?
16 Aug 2006, 09:43 am
styv – feel free to critise on the site but try to do so in a constructive manner. Your use of language indicates a lower than average degree of intelligence.
16 Aug 2006, 09:43 am
keo cant U GET HOLD OF IAN MACINTOSH AND ASK HIM A FEW QUESTIONS!!
ON MARINOS – since he started our teams went just southwards!! Why not appoint some one credible like Teichman or Andre Joubert or Henry Honiball or some one like that?
So interesting that Dan Carter leads a normal life – goes playing 3rd league soccer on a break!! MY RESPECT FOR THAT GUY JUST GREW WITH 500 %!
16 Aug 2006, 09:44 am
School hollidays again ? can’t be . styv , go play with the kids outside in the snow.
16 Aug 2006, 09:47 am
Good piece Keo.
I am sorry to say (being White’s biggest supporter) that if he cannot get things to change or display a clear vision of what he wants for the next year – it is time for him to go.
It seems he is clouded by so many external factors which might or might not be his own doing, fact is, the White of 2004 seems to be long gone.
He should either come up with fresh and daring ideas and with that give Saru or anyone that does not agree with it the finger (read Saru and PC) or call it a day.
And no, with that I am not saying include Luke – but the examples used on Russel and Bosman in this article are things that worry me.
BTW, why is the same fuss not made around Jacques Botes from the Sharks?
16 Aug 2006, 09:48 am
Who are the senior players who dont want luke? probably the jealous blue bulls who have 3 home losses to talk about
16 Aug 2006, 09:49 am
Eloise, you are being way too kind to the pumas. You really think they can score 12 points against Luke and the boys? No ways!!!
16 Aug 2006, 09:49 am
keo – i’ve read your book and there is a pattern devoloping here as far as jw goes. all the coaches start off well and then the wheels start coming off, paranoia sets in and some of the most puzzling selections and statements are made. i’ve said it before i truly believe that jw will resign willingly or be forced to resign after the 3n. the writing is on the wall.
16 Aug 2006, 09:54 am
Keo is the insider for SARU…he is doing what they pay him to do
16 Aug 2006, 09:55 am
What is the story about seniour players not wanting luke? .. I’ve missed that …
16 Aug 2006, 09:57 am
Let me just put two and two together…
Luke Watson left the sharks to go to WP, because he clashed with various team mates .. Not because he wanted to proove to Jake that he could play in the same team as Schalk Burger. Fact. His team mates at the Sharks basically said that they would not play if Watson played.
I will put money on the fact that one of the his old shark team mates he clashed with or prehaps out of the recomendation from him.. Jake has excluded him from the side for fear of breaking up the Springbok team harmony..
And i will put a further ten bucks on the player from the sharks that is influencing Jake’s selection of Watson being John Smit.
Any Takers?
16 Aug 2006, 09:58 am
Keo, the headline is quite a dramatic one and I would think you would agree when I say a false one as you cant really prove Jake has no plan whatsoever for the world cup? Especially after all his comments about the topic…
Is it not possible that maybe he has a plan but things are not going to that plan? Perhaps the plan is flawed too but to say that the man has no plan whatsoever would be presumptious (unless you have access to the mans office and can scout for World Cup Plans documents on a regular basis).
I dont know if you realise just how influential you are in the minds of the general rugby watching public. Most of the Muppets here (excluding a few like Tackler) will just accept what you say without formulating their own opinions. Hence headlines like “There is no Bok World Cup plan” can be extremely damaging in public opinion about a person when in fact you have no evidence to prove such a statement. Such actions can add to a problem instead of simply raising healthy debate about it.
You have put forward an argument that Jake has made and is making mistakes which is true but that is not proof of no plan at all. And personally I would love to see someone in his position that is capable of never making mistakes. It cant happen.
Keo, please try and avoid the sensationalism in headlines that is so prevalent in our media. It may get you the page hits (and thus for your advertisers) but is it an ethical practice?
16 Aug 2006, 09:59 am
I know Zondagh is a good coach. But why didn’t Jake go for Meyer ? Mayer coach the bulls forwards and he did a good job. But as they say , some people can’t work with other people.
16 Aug 2006, 09:59 am
i will go with that nirvana
16 Aug 2006, 10:00 am
I’ll double that bet nirvanarama
16 Aug 2006, 10:01 am
Andre_WP Jake like the two dummies Gertie & Ally to much
16 Aug 2006, 10:02 am
thanks Martin..
16 Aug 2006, 10:03 am
Luke is a very good player. but the oak is so arrogant that he rubs people up the wrong way.
16 Aug 2006, 10:04 am
iamthebear – do you honestly think that there is a plan? i don’t. we all live in hope but hope will not win us the wc. we went through the same scenario with rs at the 2003 wc and look what happened. the most optimistic that i can be is by saying we will win the 3n if australia beat the ab this weekend and don’t give them a bonus point.
16 Aug 2006, 10:04 am
Keo can’t answer our questions, he is too exhausted from planning and writing this long article. He is at home recovering.
Get well soon Keo, and then please answer our questions.
16 Aug 2006, 10:05 am
iamthebear
Are you Jake White?
16 Aug 2006, 10:05 am
Nirvanarama it’s only recently that Watson spoke out about Jake not selecting him & to be fear I dont think he’s arrogant.The guy is playing skillfull rugby & the whole country sees it….that is besides Jake & the rest of the selectors!
16 Aug 2006, 10:06 am
Thats why he can only play as Captain of the team i bet to.
16 Aug 2006, 10:07 am
Martin, the fact is you dont have any real evidence that Jake has no plan whatsoever hence a headline like this is a presumptious one. Personally I believe the man has a plan. Maybe the plan has major flaws in it, but no-one can prove that he has no plan whatsoever.
16 Aug 2006, 10:07 am
Nirv and that is why we will stay happy as long as Jake ignores him
16 Aug 2006, 10:07 am
Ha ha Wooden Spoon! I wish I got paid like Jake White!
16 Aug 2006, 10:08 am
Haven’t read all the posts… (gotta work…)
Keo… you raise some good questions but is anyone gonna hold their breath for answers…?
We all know the story… Players who ‘demand’ attention from Jake White get snubbed… Read Brits, Watson and Visagie…
Steve McClaren sacks David Beckham from England squad and captaincy… He does so one-on-one and explains why…
Beckham responds that he feels he still has a lot to offer England so he will fight to regain his place in the team.
What does McClaren say? If he was Jake White he would take offense and never pick Beckham again…
But McClaren says… “That’s the answer I was hoping for. I will never close the door on any player…!”
Wonder… out of McClaren and White, who’s the better man-manager and motivator of players…
Just makes White sound like the clown he is…
16 Aug 2006, 10:09 am
Great player….but..Nothing changes the fact the guy was basically kicked out of the Sharks team by the players because they could not stand him.
16 Aug 2006, 10:12 am
Since we played so kak against scotland the plan has been to win each test match on a piece meal basis (to save jake’s arse) with no thought to the WC next year. We should have been blooding newer players, and experimenting with new combinations (particularly against the World 15 and Scotland). NZ’s squad management is a perfect example of this. Lets face it, we have no chance to win the 3N, but we will stick to the same players who jake perceives to be the best 15, meely to save face.
16 Aug 2006, 10:13 am
Getting so pissed off with all of this. Let all the players foookooff with Jake and go play overseas. I am sure if we have to put a team together from the Sharks, Bulls and WP we will beat the current bok team. I hope we loose all our home games. Starting to loose all respect for the boks.
16 Aug 2006, 10:14 am
Nirv that’s their loss and our gain..I said it before the players come to the Cape and get their colours.I just hope LW gets his shot before he plays against SA in next years WC
16 Aug 2006, 10:14 am
iamthebear – the evidence all points to man without a plan. never mind not picking lw, that does’nt influence anything, it’s all the other selections and mostly the statements that he has made that suggests that he has no plan. sure he might have had a plan a year ago but if plan a goes awry then you have plan b. at the moment jw has ditched any plan just to stay afloat.
he will resign after the 3n – that i am sure of.
16 Aug 2006, 10:15 am
the seior players not wanting watson,bugger them no one in the team should have a say in selection. make me coach,i’l bliksem bakkies and os,i’l smack them around a bit and show them who’s boss
16 Aug 2006, 10:15 am
meely=merely
iamthebear
So, when there may have been a WC plan last year, it has now been thrown away.
16 Aug 2006, 10:17 am
eloise
What other country is luke eligible to play for as soon as next years WC?
16 Aug 2006, 10:17 am
i dont think he will ever leave SA.. because of what his dad achieved here
16 Aug 2006, 10:19 am
iamthebear,
I disagree with you. Keo’s headline is not misleading. The purpose of a headline is to attract the reader’s attention, not to give a 100% correct and factual summary of the content.
Furthermore, the content of the article shows that, on the preponderance of probability, Jake either does not have a RWC plan or he has a very poor plan – one hardly fit to be called a plan.
In that context, the headline is perfectly apt and completely justified.
And you probably overrate the influence of this website mate.
16 Aug 2006, 10:19 am
Nirvana…
If Watson was so disruptive, arrogant and all the players cannot stand him…
How has he been able to turn Province around leading by example and motivating a long of really young and inexperienced guys…??
Could it be those Sharks and Bok players don’t want him because they’re threatened by his leadership qualities and playing abilities…?
Also think your chronolgy is a bit squiff…
As I remember it… Watson was playing for the Sharks and signed for WP halfway through the season. He said he’d see out the season and play as hard as ever… THEN the Sharks management threw their toys like girls in a sandpit and said they don’t want him and he must rather go to PRovince straight away…
16 Aug 2006, 10:19 am
he is eligible to play for timbuctoo.
16 Aug 2006, 10:21 am
ufo….post 126.. he is captain
16 Aug 2006, 10:21 am
Didn’t know they played rugby in Mali
16 Aug 2006, 10:21 am
I agree from a rugby watching public point of view (of whom 99 percent are not privy to the inner workings of SA Rugby), the current bok situation can seem at times rudderless, but there is no physical proof of no plan. Do you really think that if Jake had a plan before he would totally scrap it or at least not replace it with something else? The fact is we cant prove that, hence the headline is a sensationalist one.
16 Aug 2006, 10:22 am
but jake has a plan .. he spells it out for us before each test match … “we are going to dominate them at the scrum ..”
16 Aug 2006, 10:23 am
and ..ufo .. you are right that is how it happened.. no one wanted to play with him.
16 Aug 2006, 10:23 am
juck…another Luke discussion…
16 Aug 2006, 10:24 am
Nirvana…
So you’re saying… Sharks and Boks are not picking Watson because even though he’s a better leader than the lot, they’d rather stick with the old boys club…
and you say watson is at fault…?
16 Aug 2006, 10:25 am
based on circumstantial evidence, we, the rugby fans, find jw guilty of having no plan and sentence him to coach the Siberian labour camp 4th team for a period of 4 years.
16 Aug 2006, 10:25 am
Wooden apparently if he has a sibling with citizenship he becomes eligible…look at rattlebones & I think Pat Barnard of Province is in the Poms squad (not sure if that’s his name)
16 Aug 2006, 10:25 am
Nirvana who wants to leave SA?
16 Aug 2006, 10:25 am
Nirvana… AFTER he signed with WP and the Sharks sulked like school boys and didn’t want to play with him anymore…
Shows a complete lack of maturity and management skills by the Sharks…
16 Aug 2006, 10:26 am
Howzit supa my chomma
16 Aug 2006, 10:26 am
more supa
16 Aug 2006, 10:27 am
ufo
Praat sagter, quinnyshark gaan jou ****!! Dan is daar groot marakkas!
16 Aug 2006, 10:28 am
the sharks are going to get there asses kicked this weekend.
16 Aug 2006, 10:29 am
more martin en my best buddy in the world Eloise!
How’s things? oh, i know, we are discussing Luke…
Flippen cold here in the east rand this morning!
16 Aug 2006, 10:30 am
141- watson made a big media spectacle about why he decided to leave the sharks etc etc,the management said sorry buddy we got to plan ahead and blood other players,luke was trying to grab newspaper headlines and it backfired when he wasnt in
16 Aug 2006, 10:30 am
ufo..
Dont get me wrong… I think Watson is an awesome player..he should be in the Bok side right now..no questions asked.. You would think they would put their differences aside for the sake of Springbok rugby… if indeed it is the reason he is not playing i am only speculating. You will have to ask Jake.
Rugby is a team sport!
16 Aug 2006, 10:30 am
Supa… howzit…?
jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa boet…
Waking up the sleeping Quinnyshark… that’s like going for a swim in Flase Bay…!
16 Aug 2006, 10:30 am
With regards to Luke the divisive influence: Is it possible that he actually was a divisive influence but has since matured?
It’s been known to happen…
16 Aug 2006, 10:31 am
Well If anything old Keo is an observant one !
Well said really !
This could be seen as a long winded way to turn attention to Watson , but the only fault i can find in it is could have said more on the merits of Russell.
Keo
Any insight into why the senior players dont want Wattie ?
Could this be an extention of his move from The Sharks ???
as in there was an bietjie tentsion there that Senior Sharks boks have steered White away fromn him ????
16 Aug 2006, 10:31 am
echo??
16 Aug 2006, 10:31 am
what i said in 159 was so deep they even printed it again
16 Aug 2006, 10:32 am
supa – we’re discussing the man with a plan jake.
16 Aug 2006, 10:33 am
Jake’s last ten tests
Won 4 (Pumas , Wales , Scotland X2)
Lost 6 ( NZ x2 , France X2 , Aus X2)
Does he have a plan ?, I dont think so
16 Aug 2006, 10:33 am
Dis ons stutte wat oor Watson gekla het, blykbaar kan hulle nie so laag buk om hom op te tel in die lynstane nie…hulle rue kry effens seer…:lol:
16 Aug 2006, 10:34 am
In spite of everything Keo said being true, the Boks will still beat the AB`s anytime they set their minds to it. Nothing to do with JW, so dont give him credit when it happens.
16 Aug 2006, 10:34 am
sorry… False Bay…
Nirvana… Agree with you there. But isn’t that what coaching in rugby is all about… especially in SA… getting a bunch of strong-minded characters and getting them to put aside their differences, languages, colour, politics, religion and getting them all to play rugby…?
It’s gotta start from the top though…
16 Aug 2006, 10:34 am
Martin
The man with no plan…Joke white?
16 Aug 2006, 10:35 am
Slightly off the topic. Jake is obsessed with caps and experience. He also likes statistics. So here are some stats:
The 25 most capped Springbok teams (from 512 to 381 caps) have this record:
W 9 L 15 D 1
This includes the Aussie 49er and 11 other games from this and last year.
The 25 teams with cap totals between 380 and 312:
W 20 L 4 D 1
Most of these tests were against the big rugby nations.
The next 25 teams with caps between 308 and 261
W 15 L 10 D 0.
Of course there are many factors at play. But the difference between the 25 most capped teams and the next 25 teams is remarkable. A better balance between youth and experience seems to garner better results. ###################
16 Aug 2006, 10:36 am
Jake is gefok punt
16 Aug 2006, 10:36 am
I think Ruan Pienaar is going to get poached if we dont get him uin the mix soon!
16 Aug 2006, 10:37 am
Ditto 173
16 Aug 2006, 10:37 am
lance sherrel the ex player?
16 Aug 2006, 10:38 am
oh this is more rubbish.
the article goes on to list all these young players that white is supposedly not playing, yet it is the self-same coach that has picked all of these guys in the first place.
As for Bosman and Spies cant even get a regular start with their respective S14 franchises yet White sees something.
Also, anyone with a modicom of rugby know-how realises that the boks are an adult team (not an u19 or u21 team). These are men not boys and as such experience is invaluable. How old are Larkham, Gregan, Mortlock, etc and they’re not being rotated. no sane coach would.
Hopefully at some stage you will be able to get a decent, more balanced, rugby scribe on this site.
16 Aug 2006, 10:42 am
a kenner would be nice, where’s Naas?
16 Aug 2006, 10:42 am
CAb
In fairness though he picked those after a barage of pressure about picking some youngsters when his regulars were all crocked and he had no replacements that had been groomed in ,
it should have happened sooner
And the Bosman argument isa perhaps the strongest
why stuff the ou around and bring in Butch , at least put Butch on the Bench.
16 Aug 2006, 10:42 am
Jake came in and selected players he could trust he formed a group of players that played for each other and hence the success.. He has tried to stick with the formula but has failed..
16 Aug 2006, 10:42 am
kir#166
From that comment you should consider changing your nick. LOL!
16 Aug 2006, 10:43 am
Suparugby
If only I was as pretty. Just using his name.
16 Aug 2006, 10:44 am
I think it was a reaction not a plan , and for once i must agree with keo.
16 Aug 2006, 10:46 am
lance
Hope you are a girl, thinking some bloke is pretty scares me a bit…or do you support WP?
16 Aug 2006, 10:50 am
Nah Supa. I’m a Lions man.
But I did go to St. Stithians (just like Lance as a matter of fact).
16 Aug 2006, 10:50 am
Murph … I think you are being too kind. That’s a few times you’ve now agreed with me.
Re the senior player issue. I don’t buy it. I think it is a convenient cop out. As I said, what senior players, those who lost 49-0?
16 Aug 2006, 10:51 am
Murph,
no i disagree, White is obviouslyt very keen on Bosman, he picked him from obliviion. To even raise this is ridiculous. he was picked on the EOY tour and did not perform. white rightfully realised he cant rush him in and has kept him in the squad as an understudy and involved.
Even your man, rastafarian erasmus, has the more experienced De Waal as his first pick.
Besides, you cant always plan, you sometimes need to react. Aus showed us we have a problem in defending the inside channel where Larkham and Giteua ran riot. there is no De Wet Barry, so White shored it up with Butch, who not only kept the aussies honest with some thumpting tackles, but we should have won the game. It was a good move. White has always liked Butch, but the guy has been injured.
16 Aug 2006, 10:56 am
How’s this for a theory.
Who are the current senior players in the pack, other than Baby Jane Smit?
Bakkies, Matfield, Cronje, Rossouw plus FdP at 9.
Who has been brought in recently?
Spies, WO, Ndugane and Chiliboy.
Who might be added according to Jake? Roets.
Am I missing something here?
16 Aug 2006, 10:56 am
i mean what do you want white to do, he wants to play a running attacking game and hence has picked a running flyhalf in Jaco, who else in SA is more attacking?
Bosman? De Waal? Hougaardt? dont be ridiculous.
we are kak at the moment, period. the loss of schalk and bakkies is huge. he is doing his best with limited talent.
give the oke a break. Its a non-stop barrage.
16 Aug 2006, 10:57 am
do you honestly believe Barrit is as good as Carter or Larkham, or that Watson is as good as Smith or McCaw.
you okes are insane and you wonder why our S12 teams get drilled every year. this has nothing to do with White.
16 Aug 2006, 10:57 am
Keo with Nick coaching the babbas does that mean he can go into full blown coaching? So SARU can then pick him to be head coach?
16 Aug 2006, 10:58 am
everything David…
16 Aug 2006, 11:01 am
KEO are you going to wait for another 100 posts before you answer? oops make that 200 with this question
16 Aug 2006, 11:02 am
white is a genius! he wants the teams that play sa in the world cup to be arrogant and underestimate us then bang,we thump them,don’t be surprised if he lets samoa beat us in the pool stage to increase this tactic
16 Aug 2006, 11:04 am
In spite of all this krap the Boks will still beat the AB`s the moment they put their minds to it
16 Aug 2006, 11:06 am
supa
Pissoff, LOL! I’ve got a great conspiracy theory going here.
16 Aug 2006, 11:07 am
Jake HAS a plan for the World Cup. It’s just that it’s a long way off. Planning will start around June 2007
16 Aug 2006, 11:08 am
Cab
Is McCaw a parrot?
16 Aug 2006, 11:11 am
david if u want conspiracy check out sherry shiner like someone else posted,that in some hectic stuff
16 Aug 2006, 11:11 am
yo google that
16 Aug 2006, 11:13 am
Talking of divisive players in the team, have a look at the effect Kevin Prick has had in the England cricket side. Here’s a guy who had his kit thrown off the change room balcony by his county captain Jason Gallian, and told to f##k off because of the harm he did to his county side. Many people questioned the impact of his inclusion in the national side. He made it, and has had a huge effect on the side’s performance. He also appears to have matured slightly. To digress somewhat, in my humble opinion he is still the biggest tosser around.
I see LW in a similar vein. No doubt he could add some benefit to the SA side, but he will require plenty of management. The jury is still out as to whether he is a tosser too.
16 Aug 2006, 11:14 am
kir
Have you got a cold?
16 Aug 2006, 11:17 am
Jokkol, jokkol, Jake White weet …… NUKS!
16 Aug 2006, 11:20 am
White does appear to have run out of excuses for not blooding a few players. He’s had plenty of opportunities to do so in the June tests and as SA are effectively out of the Tri Nations now, he has more opportunities to do so.
Throw a few youngsters into the mix. Even if it’s only for 20 minutes in a couple of games. Otherwise let them go play rugby somewhere. It’s completely unfair on a guy to take him overseas for 5 weeks and then not play him. JP Pieterson could have been honing his skills with the Sharks.
I’ve generally always backed White, as he has the harshest environment in which to operate, but his once wonderful player management appears to have been thrown out in favour of a dig your heels in and don’t let anyone tell you what to do approach.
He really has nothing to lose by experimenting the rest of the year.
16 Aug 2006, 11:22 am
Jake is on the right track…leave him alone!
Jake’s sister
16 Aug 2006, 11:22 am
Wooden spoon……..Talking absolute nonsense again…YAWN…..
16 Aug 2006, 11:24 am
geez .. what can happen next in SA rugby??? becoming like a soapie!! “go you good thing (Wallabies)!!” maybe Keo can take over the coaching role.
16 Aug 2006, 11:26 am
David,
no **** sapien, macaws are parrots.
16 Aug 2006, 11:28 am
Gold Coaster, go and chase a sheep!
16 Aug 2006, 11:28 am
Welcome back Keo, see you have recovered.
Eloise and the rest of us still need answers from you.
Will check later after 400 hits for answers.
16 Aug 2006, 11:29 am
cant mate.. they sleeping!! besides this is far more funnier!
16 Aug 2006, 11:31 am
Cab
Some merit is the bulking of the channel,
But when do we impose our own plan , instead of compensating for the Aus
As for Jaco , if white picked him as a running fly , for a running game plan why is it dead obvious that he must be under instruction to kick ?
him and others , they all do all the time ?
Meyer could easily defend his channel , you need to see him stand next to Juan and Joe , the lad is massive , that s why jake picked him.
Rassie also did jake favours last year by playing him ahead of Willem after he had been picked.
At the time i agreed with Rassie , if Jake was going to pick anyone , he should have picked rassies 1st choice , Willem.
Say what you want but he proves it week in and out he is capable of the running , kicking and passing and whatever game , no-one varies it up as much as FS and their complete turn around from last year conservative plan to secure the CC to return to their traditional style has been smooth as silk
With Willem scoring tries himself.
any way back to the selection issues , those youngsters should have been picked for post world cup
I would have picked some more experience lads from the other talent on offer with Super 14 experience for the WC and had those young chaps slowly in the mix.
but then im not bok coach !
Keo
ja maby a few times , you do have the inside track …
Could you say with any certainty why Russell gets shafted so much ?
it bugs the **** out of me !
16 Aug 2006, 11:32 am
“far more funny” or “far funnier”
not “far more funnier”
not sure what gets taught in those outback schools.
16 Aug 2006, 11:32 am
Maybe Jake has a plan, but does not want to show the rest of the world what is is before say the EOY tour or maybe even next year. Also, not many realise the diff. someone like Bakkies, Schalk and Jean makes to a team!
16 Aug 2006, 11:32 am
Morning sporto!
What got you to crawl out of your hole?
16 Aug 2006, 11:33 am
GC
Is a gold coaster one of those yellow round things your wife makes you put your beer on?
16 Aug 2006, 11:34 am
klim op ‘n vliegtuig dan wys ek jou cab..
16 Aug 2006, 11:34 am
muprh,
De Waal is a very good provincial flyhalf and the CC’s leading point scorer, but would you pick him if you wanted the boks’ creativity to improve?
16 Aug 2006, 11:35 am
ek is nie bang vir jou gold coaster
16 Aug 2006, 11:37 am
wie praat van baklei bro.. net ‘n lekker kangaroo braai!!
16 Aug 2006, 11:37 am
lol…baie dankie, dis wat ek bedoel ook.
16 Aug 2006, 11:37 am
Murph,
I’d put money on it that White (like so many before) believed he could teach old dogs new tricks.
When he realised that he wasn’t going to be able to create a backline that could compete with the top dogs on a skills basis, he reverted to the tried and trusted SA pattern of kick for the corners, pressure the set-pieces, tackle the moer out of anything within a metre of you and rely on turnovers and penalties.
There are signs of this changing, but it’s a huge mindset to change in our players and it’s made no easier by the various provinces all coaching very different styles. Too many of our players are asked to play a game that is not natural to them.
16 Aug 2006, 11:38 am
wel in die geval.. ‘n springbok!! just for u..
16 Aug 2006, 11:38 am
guys, not to stir, but luke watson is on the front page of SI as well!
16 Aug 2006, 11:39 am
I’d be very scared of a kangaroo braai.
Especially if Gold Coaster is living in Bris-vegas.
16 Aug 2006, 11:40 am
IMO De Waal is overrated. Makes to many mistakes under presure. Hardly ever shines in the big games. He does have his moments…, but by no means a Springbok! Meyer B have the best distribution, but needs to work on his kicking out of hand, nothing wrong with his defence.
16 Aug 2006, 11:41 am
en as jy in engeland too kom, moet ons a vindaloo curry he, want daar is fokol braais.
16 Aug 2006, 11:41 am
Vetkoek.. Gold Coast is 1hr drive from Brissie..
16 Aug 2006, 11:42 am
Cab
Yes
it has become clear that De Waal can adapt to whatever the coach requires.
How many other SA flyhalves could you say the same about ?
Good provincial is a convienient argument , one dimentional can be said about most of our fly’s , i believe that willem is an exception here.
He seems to have thrived under the responsibility rassie has given him and i believe jakes people skills would only enhance that.
right now he is the only out and out fly we see in SA , no-one talks of him being a better 12 or 15 , the same cant be said for anyone bar pretoors and hougie who are if’s at the mo
16 Aug 2006, 11:42 am
Murph – re Russel – i agree most under utilised player in SA – i watched lot of him at under20 level and he single handedly destoryed teams – and since then he just hasn’t been given the run he deserves !
16 Aug 2006, 11:42 am
lol out cab… here we call it BBQ.. proe kek!!
16 Aug 2006, 11:43 am
Murph – De Waal is just more questions. IMO. I would still like to have seen Jake give the Mayor of Bos a run at 12 in place of WO.
16 Aug 2006, 11:44 am
Russel- here today gone tomorrow!! just like Habana!
16 Aug 2006, 11:45 am
GC
I hope Habana has learn’t how to catch a rugby ball again. I think his head had been getting in the way!
16 Aug 2006, 11:45 am
I know, I’ve been there, but most of the Bris-vegans I’ve met like to stretch the Gold Coast to incorporate their flashy city…
Having said that. I had a pretty awesome time in Brisbane. That whole coastline is pretty special. Coffs Harbour amongst the nicest places I’ve ever been!
16 Aug 2006, 11:47 am
I realy hope that Jake comes up with something. Maybe it’s time for him to meet with Mike Stofile. So that Mike can ask him to go. Jake’s not doing things right at the moment. Don’t the sponsors have a say these days ? Get rid of Jake please ????????
16 Aug 2006, 11:47 am
murph,
maybe, but i wonder if your FS bias is clouding the issue on this one. De Waal is good, but he doesn’t seem to have that X factor. Also, dodgy on defense and wonder how a test-match atsmosphere will get to him. i think we want someone that can cut the line and at least let oppo defenses know that he is capable of doing this.
16 Aug 2006, 11:49 am
we dont wanna be part of Brissie mate!! have u visited Byron Bay mate?? very laidback..
16 Aug 2006, 11:50 am
Vetkoek
agreed , funny i said that to someone the other day …old dog new …
one thinks of how Hennie le roux used to get stuffed around though between national and prov … except he pulled it off !
When he brought Meyer in he should have moved Jaco to 15 and percy to fly or russel if he wanted running as CAB said and given meyer starts off the bench , that way he would have cover for percy tried and tested …
that said there is nothing better than willem at fly with meyer outside him at 12 for FS , and that makes me wonder sometimes if what the Aus have done with Giteau is not the right option
Play him at 12 to settle in to pattern and learn form point blank from to no 1 fly and wwhen larkies retires just shift him up.
Mark my words thats what they will do
same with Rathbone , he will eventually slide into Mortllocks jersey at 13.
16 Aug 2006, 11:50 am
u guys r calling for JW head… what about Clive Woodward?? it took him yrs..
16 Aug 2006, 11:51 am
We don’t have a flyhalf in SA to compare to the likes of Carter, Larkham or even Michalak.
Butch James and Pretorius are the best we have at the moment and we should stick with them.
In the interim, SARU should be scouring the country at schoolboy level for the best young 10 and sticking them in the non-existent SA Rugby Excellence Academy.
16 Aug 2006, 11:52 am
exactly GC.
16 Aug 2006, 11:54 am
vetkoek
I used to have the same opinion about our skills level yet looking at this years CC I’m beginning to wonder if our players are as one dimensional as we think.
There’s been an amazing change of approach and teams are actually trying to outplay their opponents instead of running over them.
The only coach who seems unable to implement this type of play is Jake.
16 Aug 2006, 11:54 am
CAb
i know it looks like bias , but over the last 2 seasons who else have we seen consistantly produce the results … with trophy to boot … the next logical step is up to see how that equates at national level … just like pretoors and Hougie when they were just good provincial fly’s
Ig
re Bos at 12
see post 239
16 Aug 2006, 11:54 am
We need Jake but we also need him to wake up. I think he is a great coach but a terrible selector.
Face it. To get back from a 49 point loss to a 2 point loss is not bad. That is good coaching among other things. I believe that if he were to be forced to pick the likes of Pienaar, Watson, Russel, barrit and Peterson, we won’t just loose by 2 od points but win a few.
16 Aug 2006, 11:55 am
we r preparing for the departure of Larkham.. and we already have a schoolboy waitng in the wings.. he practises with the squad in Coffs at times.
16 Aug 2006, 11:58 am
CAb
Thats how meyer has scored the tries that hold him as the only fly half in the upper echelons of try scorers thus far in the CC , and we are not talking after a couple of games
16 Aug 2006, 11:58 am
Brickwall.. during the S14 when the sharks were here Pienaar was thinking of joining a rugby league team in Aus .. West Tigers.
16 Aug 2006, 11:59 am
i mean willmem !!!
DOH !
16 Aug 2006, 11:59 am
Wooden Willy,
The only way Habana will become a star is with a move to PPPRRROOOVVVIIINNNCCCEEE!!!! who knows… he might even walk on water.
16 Aug 2006, 12:00 pm
David,
Ja- I agree. I did touch on signs of change in my earlier post, but the reality is that it will take a while before we can come close to NZ and Aus in this dept.
If you look at the NPC in comparison to the CC, you can see the difference. The CC is definitely coming right though.
16 Aug 2006, 12:01 pm
Murph,
yeah i dont know anymore, i thought AP was the answer (most naturally gifted) but he can also get erratic, butch james is pretty good in all respects but injury slowed him down slightly, Bosman did not look good on EOY tour but has a huge punt, Hougaardt is a place-kicking machine like de waal but not sure either attacks the ball with pace. russel does do this well.
16 Aug 2006, 12:03 pm
i thought since JdV is basically the backline general, play him at 10. Olivier’s done well at 12 and JF at 13 is irreplaceable.
16 Aug 2006, 12:03 pm
My 2 cents..
Steyn had a very average game on Saturday… and he is young… But I think he is a very good all-round flyhalf… And he has been very consistent up until Saturday when he had an off game. He can kick, pass, run and tackles very well… Against the Cheetahs he put in three tackles inside a minute or so… among many others.
But best of all (IMO) is his temperament and the way he marshalls his line and gets the guys into position… He is the reason the Bulls have been playing more open rugby… They’ll miss that with Hougaard back…
Yes, he’s too young at the moment, but I think Steyn is one of those young guys who should be nurtured at National level and given specialist coaching…
16 Aug 2006, 12:07 pm
UFO,
I def thought Steyn was the business, and I still do, but the best way for him to break into the National set up would be to move to another province.
I risk incurring the wrath of many a Bulls supporter here I’m sure, but with their gameplan, the Bulls are the death of any 10 who wants to play running rugby.
16 Aug 2006, 12:07 pm
bring back Herchelle Gibbs to rugby!! now that was a gifted 5 8th.. seen him play 4 Bishops yrs ago.. the way he marshalled his backline.. and not scared to run… aaa those were the yrs..
16 Aug 2006, 12:07 pm
My a and B team will look like this:
A: B:
15)Percy 15)Peterson
Big Joe 
Spies
14)Russel 14) Paulse
13)J Fourie 13) Olivier
12) JDV 12) Bosman
11) Habana 11) Ndungane
10) Barrit 10) A Pretorius
9) Pienaar 9) FDP
7) J Smith 7) AJ
6) Watson 6) Solly
5) Big Vic 5) Muller
4) Bakkies 4) Rossouw
3) BJ Botes 3) Visagie
2) JS 2) Brits
1) Os 1) Guthro
Given everybody is fit. Then there is also guys like Ashwin, other Ndungane, Butch, Januarie, Wikkus, CJ, Gary Botha etc.
JW has got no excuse. He should have given the above some gametime period!!
16 Aug 2006, 12:07 pm
You know sporto, I actually agree with you – habana needs to move to a team that would better utilise his skills. He has no chance at the bash-it-up-bulls. At WP he would only grow his hair into a semi-afro and peroxide it blonde, and his ego would get even bigger to fit in with everyone else – the only team that could bring the best out of him is the Sharks.
Pienaar in rugby league? I don’t believe it!
16 Aug 2006, 12:09 pm
UFO
ssshhhhh
they will rush him and ruin him !!!
16 Aug 2006, 12:10 pm
Vetkoek…
I agree with you… I’ve posted before that we could use him down here in the Cape on a rotational basis with Olivier and Grant…
16 Aug 2006, 12:10 pm
Good point Murph…
16 Aug 2006, 12:11 pm
I’d look at ging JDV a run at 10. Jake’s always said that if you don’t have a natural kicker at 10 then you need one at 12. Maybe Butch at 12? A bit radical…
Also wouldn’t mind seeing Barritt at 10.
16 Aug 2006, 12:12 pm
Gold Coaster
Would love to see gibbs play a bit of rugga. Especially since his done it all in cricket. You know being a major part in the biggest successfull runchase in the history of one day cricket.
16 Aug 2006, 12:13 pm
Wooden spoon
I also would love to see young barrit in the mix. I like his direct approach and his abillity to ofload under presure.
16 Aug 2006, 12:14 pm
cab
I’d have agreed with you previously about Hougaardt, but he was almost unrecognizable on Saturday. He not only looked composed and confident but he was also prepared to attack the advantage line.
It’s almost as if the players and provincial coaches are trying to prove that Jake’s an incompetent.
Let’s face it, he’s managed to insult most of the contenders for Bok places by his policy of taking youngsters on tour to experience the Springbok culture, as he puts it. It’s not a bloody school field trip! If he wants them to learn about the Boks he should take them to the museum at Newlands.
16 Aug 2006, 12:14 pm
That’s another step where the Kiwis are ahead of us. They don’t suffer from Province over country syndrome and have a practical and beneficial drafting system in place for the S14. We sit with 2 or 3 players competing for the same position in one province and none in another.
16 Aug 2006, 12:14 pm
that was all smackdown brickie, although i almost kicked tv..
16 Aug 2006, 12:16 pm
y do birds fly up side donw in NZ..?
16 Aug 2006, 12:17 pm
down..
16 Aug 2006, 12:18 pm
cause kiwis aint worth shitting on..
16 Aug 2006, 12:18 pm
David,
Hougaard ran with purpose the other night, but I got the impression he was doing it from way behind the advantage line. I still feel he stands too deep and relies on lapses in defence to break the advantage line rather than attacking it directly to free up those around him.
16 Aug 2006, 12:21 pm
Yeah right Keo
You know as much about the world cup planning as any South African Knows. It’s very easy to twist stories and statistics as you please. Its just propoganda. If Jake were wrighting a story on this Blog, we would hear a completly different thing. I noticed you didn’t mention anything about the performance clause in Jakes contract. Or what about the controversal transformation clause, which knowbody actualy knows exists (or dosn’t.) 1. Meyer Bosman has not performed well. Not great against a third rate Wales, and shocking against France. I would have also told him to go practice some more.
2. Andre Snyman. The big centre who looks great at Leads, but then again playing in a half pased league in england will make ollie Le Roux look fast aswell. Sorry Andre looks like the age has got to you.Who said Ndungane is the best wing anyway Keo? Do agree he lacks a bit of pace.
3.Danie is a man who could bring allot of experience to the tight five unfortunatly the english have mede him week and he obviously is not as strong as what we have already. Worth the try though.
4. Pieterson is a young man and has mounds of time to prove his consistancy. Keep him in the mix. Let him experience the Springbok culture, but let him get as much game time with the Sharks as possible. And when Jake feels he is ready (not Keo) then give him some game time for the Boks.
(Player management)As for Percy. Why not play your best. If he feels up to it, and has performed well in training, let him play. There is a number of backup fullbacks. Pulse, Russel, even Ruan Pienaar.
5.Anthony Eddie did absoluitly nothing for our back line. Glad he was sacked. Great choice in Zondagh. Watche the boks train Yesterday under him and the looked better already.
You see Keo you can twist anything to suit your oppinions but you have no clue as to what is going on in the bok setup today. The type of relationships, the frictions, personality clashes. Clauses in contracts etc. etc. etc.
Let the Boks be.
16 Aug 2006, 12:22 pm
David,
funny you say that about hougie, i also saw glimpses of a totally different player in the odd S14 game last year, he really was trying to attack the line on occasion. he does look a bit fragile tho and after a knock goes back into retreat. if he continues to play positively, more than willing to change opinion. hard to find a better kicker when on song.
i think you are way of on white tho, he more than anyone wants them to attack, but also realises that if they dont tackle and organise properly on defense, its going to be a massacre.
16 Aug 2006, 12:24 pm
i would like to see
THGHM QD start for FS again soon !!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 12:26 pm
ha ha..bunker busting great white seal flipping.
16 Aug 2006, 12:26 pm
Vetkoek #266
Clinton vd Bergh made an interesting comment in the Sunday Times last week about this. Apparently, WP/Stormers have said that Shimange isn’t part of their plans next season but won’t let him move to the Cheetahs for game time as this might help them in the CC.
So, as soon as Brits is back Shimmie sits on his arse until next year.
16 Aug 2006, 12:26 pm
world cup plan, doh
What about the TriN plan – still looking for it out here!
16 Aug 2006, 12:30 pm
David
thats why .. imho the wp are C..ts
16 Aug 2006, 12:32 pm
Keo,
Breyton Paulse wasn’t lured back to SA, his employers in France didn’t take-up the option to renew his contract.
16 Aug 2006, 12:35 pm
David,
I know- it’s ridiculous.
16 Aug 2006, 12:35 pm
Gold coast,
#256, Gibbs was one hellof a player. It was a bit longer than 4 years ago that he played for Bishops though. He was certainly a Bok in the making. Would have had to stop smoking **** and weed for a cardio sport like rugby. Cricket one can pkay if you are a smoker and puffin’ on da ‘erb.
16 Aug 2006, 12:35 pm
Hey Supa rugby. Please can you tell me how you insert those smiley yellow faces in your blog? I am not the most gifted bloke when it comes to these technical things. Do you get them off some sort of wesite?
16 Aug 2006, 12:38 pm
I have just read Prof. Noakes’ response to our village idiot Tackler… I cannot stop laughing.
I just had to share how amused I was by that- poor Tackler. He really is an amusing pet to have.
16 Aug 2006, 12:38 pm
Murph
Watch out that’s my province you’re insulting!
Ig, Ig! Where the **** are you when you’re needed?
Seriously, though, this attitude is rampant amongst all the provinces, not just WP.
16 Aug 2006, 12:38 pm
Wooden spoon,
You speak sense for once. I actually don’t mind where he plays, as long as he can grow as a player. He is really a great talent and with all respect to the Bully-boys, is a great waste in the pastures of the north.
16 Aug 2006, 12:40 pm
Sporto you must be smoking some strong herbs, GC said he had seen him play 4 (ie. “for”) Bishops years ago.
I doubt even GC sees Herchelle as being 22yrs old even though he acts it
16 Aug 2006, 12:43 pm
Johnny fancied a girl in his office…..but she belonged to someone else…
One day Johnny got so frustrated that he went up to her and said: I’ll
give
you a £100 for ***, but the girl said NO. Johnny said:
“I’ll be fast, I’ll throw the money on the floor, you bend down, and I’ll
be
finished by the time you pick it up.â€
She thought for a moment and said that she would have to consult her
boyfriend… so she called her boyfriend and told him the story.
Her boyfriend says ask him for £200, pick up the money very fast, he won’t
even be able to get his pants down.
So she agrees and accepts the proposal. Half an hour goes by and the
boyfriend is waiting for his girlfriend to call. Finally after 45 mins the
boyfriend calls and asks what happened…
She said “the ******* used coinsâ€!
Management lesson:
Always consider a business proposal in its entirety before agreeing to it
and getting screwed.
16 Aug 2006, 12:43 pm
If the article is a hit (i.e. not a miss) then it is in the least scary. I get the same feeling that we are experimenting and trying to see what works. The Alan Zondagh invovlement this week scares me because I get the feeling the coach is grasping straws and don’t believe in his own abilities (but it is my perception).
I would like to see at least two things happen – in both instances we should learn from the Kiwis.
1. There should be a squad that allows at least three possible teams from being chosen. In this manner be have backup for injusries close to the world cup for every position. Thus at least three players for every position should be groomed. They should all get game time so all of them are in a position to fit into the Boks’ game plan at any given moment.
2. A simple strategy (a la Crusaders) – defend our line and use our scoring opportunities. The tactics should be built on this simple strategy and scenarios can be played out and trained so that the players know how to act in any given situation. But whatever game plan is played it is built on this simple but effective game strategy.
We can do both things without compromising the traditional strengths of SA rugby because these are the basics.
Or am i asking for a pie in the sky?
16 Aug 2006, 12:46 pm
Hey Supa. Please tell me about the little yellow faces dude?
16 Aug 2006, 12:48 pm
Hey stormers just put your mouse cursor on the faces and it will show you what to type to get them.
16 Aug 2006, 12:50 pm
stormers
Are you talking about this?
16 Aug 2006, 12:51 pm
david
soory bru couldnt help it !
damn goats , i smaak ol shimmie , wish he had never left FS
16 Aug 2006, 12:51 pm
here is a few i can remember
Read 290
16 Aug 2006, 12:52 pm
16 Aug 2006, 12:54 pm
16 Aug 2006, 12:54 pm
What the Folanke happened to good old Francois?
16 Aug 2006, 12:55 pm
Fred… how about the boks getting Robbie Deans to coach them.. he is ******* good.. the next kiwi coach mate.. or u can have Eddie Jones for FREE!!
16 Aug 2006, 12:58 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:02 pm
:doos:
16 Aug 2006, 13:03 pm
doesn’t work
16 Aug 2006, 13:04 pm
We can still compete in the WC because we do have the players. Only problem is that Jake doesn’t know how to use all these players. What the top bok players need now is a break from rugby. How many contracted players do we have at the moment ?
Give those players a break from competition for now. Send a second string of players on the end of year tour. Players that we can fall back onto comes WC time. John ,Percy , Os , Paulse ,JDV ,Fourie , Mattfield ,Bakkies these are all guys that will play in the worldcup. So give these guys a break from rugby for now. Let them take part in an excersise program under Allan Zondagh ,Nic Mallett, Meyer. Make sure those players are ready for next year. Let them play s14 but from the bench or the first half of each game to keep match fit. I am sure something like this can work for us. But at the moment Jake is going to wrong way.
16 Aug 2006, 13:04 pm
sporto…
right click…
click properties…
check alternate text
16 Aug 2006, 13:04 pm
Murph
That’s OK. I felt the same about Transvaal when they “bought” Carel and Michael duP. ****, I still feel that way.
16 Aug 2006, 13:05 pm
Thanks Supa!! Question, how the hell to I attach the damn thing to my blog? I have saved the pics under my pictures. Help?
16 Aug 2006, 13:07 pm
All you sceptics…We will always be a force in the world cup. We certainly have the player and with play-makers like JdV and Ruan Pienaar and Habana all fit, things will happen, regardless of the coach. Have faith in the good old Boks!
16 Aug 2006, 13:07 pm
Stormers
The IT Helpdesk is on lunch.
16 Aug 2006, 13:08 pm
stormers
Just type excatly what you read when you move the cursor over and click on submit.
example
press
16 Aug 2006, 13:08 pm
ufo…
It was a stab at humour.:doos: Get it???
16 Aug 2006, 13:10 pm
:sportoisnotfunny:
16 Aug 2006, 13:10 pm
Hey julle donkiedrolle!!! Hoe lykit?
16 Aug 2006, 13:11 pm
Well David
at least you have a shepard for your herd of mountain goats …
and by the looks of things not even the boks will be stealing him !
16 Aug 2006, 13:12 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:13 pm
:****:
16 Aug 2006, 13:13 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:13 pm
:LMAO:
16 Aug 2006, 13:14 pm
:lekke man lekke:
16 Aug 2006, 13:14 pm
:OK: :thats: :enough: :now: :although: :its: :fun:
16 Aug 2006, 13:14 pm
That was funny Woody….Don’t make me fly over to the UK and teach you some manners!
16 Aug 2006, 13:15 pm
:brickthechild:
16 Aug 2006, 13:17 pm
Supa. Please explain in Lay Mans terms. I dont understand how to do it. If I right click while in the comment blog I dont get given any option allowing me to isert/paste the pic?
16 Aug 2006, 13:17 pm
lol sporto!
16 Aug 2006, 13:19 pm
:Supaloveswp:
16 Aug 2006, 13:20 pm
Murph
I know. It’s all explained in my conspiracy theory earlier in this thread. Soon, the Boks will be cleansed of all traces of the Western Province.
The next to go will be Big Joe replaced by Cronje and Spies.
Then Jean, who will first be moved back to the wing to accommodate WO and then told that his position needs to go to Ngudane as the only other option would be to replace Smit with either Chiliboy or Shimange.
This will then allow us to apply to the IRB for recognition and field our own side in the 2011 World Cup.
16 Aug 2006, 13:21 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:22 pm
sporto…
had an ono second…
second I hit the submit button… realised i was being very slow… Oh no…
Was hoping I’d away with being a doos…
16 Aug 2006, 13:22 pm
well done stormers
16 Aug 2006, 13:23 pm
stormers
Dont cut/paste anything! All you do is to type excatly what you see. if you want to make a roll face:
Druk:
dubbelpunt roll dubbelpunt
click dan op “submit comment”
Just that, look here
16 Aug 2006, 13:24 pm
uiteindelik stormers! My work here is done!
16 Aug 2006, 13:25 pm
stormers
Admit, you feel a bit stupid now when you see how easy it is…but its okay..we know wp supporters arent the brightest! :80:
16 Aug 2006, 13:25 pm
GET away with being a doos…
heck my fingers are behaving like orang utang’s toes today…
16 Aug 2006, 13:26 pm
ufo,
Not to worry, Wooden spoon feels that way all the time.
16 Aug 2006, 13:26 pm
:8o:
16 Aug 2006, 13:26 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:26 pm
Thanks Supa , Ek het dit die eerste keer reggekry.
16 Aug 2006, 13:27 pm
Ok Supa wat noem ek die ander
16 Aug 2006, 13:27 pm
Well said Badbok #272. I also saw the practise yesterday and was impressed. It is easy to twist stats etc although both the Bok management and their detractors are guilty of that. I do agree with keo that more of a plan should be in place and we should have 2 teams like the ABs do, but then we also forget of the chaos of Straeuli’s days when caps were handed out to almost anyone.
Monty needs a rest though, so does Smit and there is something weird about the exclusion of Luke Watson. What that is though we can only guess.
16 Aug 2006, 13:27 pm
80
16 Aug 2006, 13:27 pm
8o
16 Aug 2006, 13:28 pm
Jake White is not even good enough to coach the Stellenbosch 3rd Team
16 Aug 2006, 13:28 pm
Supa wat kan ek nog in “roll” se plek tik
16 Aug 2006, 13:29 pm
How the hell do i get the smiley at 298, the last one!
16 Aug 2006, 13:29 pm
PS Chiliboy’s lineout throwing was awesome yesterday and Ruan’s passing was incredible. Except for 1 low pass, he hit Balie Swart in the bredbasket every time! That boy must play!
16 Aug 2006, 13:29 pm
:80:
16 Aug 2006, 13:29 pm
supa
try 8 followed by O (O for Orange)
That might work…
16 Aug 2006, 13:29 pm
Bokfan1…
Reported today that Graham Henry is going to do away with the rotation system for their EOY tour…
16 Aug 2006, 13:30 pm
anyone seen the latest email doing the rounds?
pic of a blou bul cheerleeder with a photo of the hof on the wall behind entitled “pampoen”. lekker.
16 Aug 2006, 13:30 pm
:8O:
16 Aug 2006, 13:30 pm
Ag ufo dit werk niks nie
16 Aug 2006, 13:32 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:32 pm
ufo
Apparently he want to simulate the knockout phase of the world cup with his best 15.
Now that is good planning.
16 Aug 2006, 13:32 pm
srem
Die is al wat ek nou aan kan dink:
16 Aug 2006, 13:33 pm
wooden spoon , How do I do 344 ?
16 Aug 2006, 13:33 pm
Eureka I got it!!!
PS, thanks Supa!!
16 Aug 2006, 13:34 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:34 pm
Ja Supa maar hoe doen ek dit , ek ken net hierdie een
16 Aug 2006, 13:34 pm
8o
16 Aug 2006, 13:34 pm
8o nou?
16 Aug 2006, 13:35 pm
Srem
Just put an eight followed by a capital O letter – no space and no : on either side.
Put your mouse on this
16 Aug 2006, 13:36 pm
srem
Is jy ernstig? jy grap! maar as jy regtig nie weet nie, move jou cursor oor die gesiigies en dan sien jy presies wat jy moet type.
Wooden
Daai werk nie by my nie!
16 Aug 2006, 13:36 pm
Keo, last week you wrote an article about IQ tests that’s done in America with their gridiron players, especially the quarterback. Do you know if any tests takes place with regards to our fly halves here in S.A. Do we have an idea what the IQ’s are of each of our players?
From what I can gauge it must all be in the category Z, for ZOMBIE. Our players lack the mental ability to assess the situation on the playing field, or have been brain washed to play to the coaches pattern. Maybe SARU should start taking a leaf out of American football and start testing our players, just to make sure that they are not Brain Dead.
16 Aug 2006, 13:36 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:37 pm
sien
16 Aug 2006, 13:37 pm
ha hyt gewerk! het netnou presies dieslefde gedruk toe werk hy nie!
16 Aug 2006, 13:37 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:38 pm
8o
16 Aug 2006, 13:38 pm
srem
Probeer van my ander. daai een werk nie lekker nie.
16 Aug 2006, 13:38 pm
:8o:
16 Aug 2006, 13:38 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:38 pm
Myne werk nie druk jy 8 en O vir oranje
16 Aug 2006, 13:39 pm
sien 80
16 Aug 2006, 13:39 pm
google word press smilies and there you will be able to see all the smilies on offer. At this rate it should keep you amused till the end of work.
16 Aug 2006, 13:39 pm
Mooi srem! Jou IK het 15 getref!
16 Aug 2006, 13:40 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:41 pm
Supa look at me now
16 Aug 2006, 13:42 pm
hi srem
16 Aug 2006, 13:42 pm
Ok
Jake has no plan.
16 Aug 2006, 13:42 pm
:drunk:
16 Aug 2006, 13:42 pm
Stormers ek soek daai een , wat tik jy in 374
16 Aug 2006, 13:43 pm
:drunk:
16 Aug 2006, 13:44 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:44 pm
This whole ******* thread looks like it’s got measles.
16 Aug 2006, 13:45 pm
Probeer weer
16 Aug 2006, 13:46 pm
Ha I am indeed a genius
16 Aug 2006, 13:46 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:48 pm
aLL i NEEDED WAS CAPS WOODEN SPOON :OOPS:
16 Aug 2006, 13:49 pm
:*
16 Aug 2006, 13:50 pm
Hehe, It doesn’t take an A1 Professor like Tim Noakes to figure it out.
16 Aug 2006, 13:51 pm
also works with
: shock : (without the spaces)
16 Aug 2006, 13:51 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:52 pm
srem…
try : razz : (without the spaces)
16 Aug 2006, 13:54 pm
Luke looks pretty
with jake on the cover of SA Rugby. The poisonous gnome, or is that just keo?
16 Aug 2006, 13:56 pm
16 Aug 2006, 13:58 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:00 pm
yep like that…
16 Aug 2006, 14:00 pm
too slow srem
:sremcamesecond:
16 Aug 2006, 14:02 pm
How is this:
:artist:
16 Aug 2006, 14:02 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:03 pm
:p :dizzy:
16 Aug 2006, 14:03 pm
400
16 Aug 2006, 14:03 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:03 pm
I say we bring Dale Sandton out of retirement to replace Smit. Now there is someone who is going to go down in the annals of Springbok history as a legend
16 Aug 2006, 14:04 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:04 pm
:frog:
16 Aug 2006, 14:05 pm
:^:
16 Aug 2006, 14:05 pm
supa’s quick off the mark today…
When I watch the Boks play…
when I watch Prooooovince play…
when I watch any other two teams play…
when Province win…
when Province loose…
16 Aug 2006, 14:05 pm
Why do only some work?
16 Aug 2006, 14:05 pm
LUKE I’m ur mother!
16 Aug 2006, 14:06 pm
Supa hier is vir jou n paar
FEELING STUPID OR TIRED
:~/ mixed up
%-) braindead
(:I egghead
16 Aug 2006, 14:06 pm
Trouble in Blou Bul land……
This Friday’s game against the Valke in Brakpan seems like it might become a bit of a nightmare for the Blue Bulls with two more players pulling up with injuries at practice.
Brenden Nel reports that both Hitlon Lobberts and Trompie Nontshinga pulled out of training with injuries yesterday.
Both Lobberts and Nontshinga was set to replace Dlulane and Mametsa who was ruled out for the rest of the season after the match against the Lions last Saturday.
Apart from the obvious injury problem, the Blue Bulls are also fast running out of players of colour to select for their match-day 22.
Although Saru has a none-quota policy, there is a gentleman’s agreement in place to promote transformation of rugby.
The fate of these two injured players will only be known on Wednesday.
Apart from the above mentioned two, the Blue Bulls are also without players such as Bryan Habana, Heini Adams, Aikona Ndungane, Chiliboy Ralepelle and Guthro Steenkamp either through injury or to the Springbok squad.
Coach Pote Human said that if Lobberts and Nontshinga do not recover in time, he will be left with little choice as far as selection policies goes – but he hopes that SA Rugby will understand the extent of their problems having lost 9 players of colour in recent weeks.
“If it happens, we will have to bring in someone from the Under-21 side but we will also have to talk to SA Rugby to explain the situation and check with them first before we do anything,†Human said on Tuesday.
16 Aug 2006, 14:07 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:09 pm
supa… it’s some software thingy that converts the old text-msg ones… Guess not all of them have been programmed…
16 Aug 2006, 14:09 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:10 pm
:uhh:
16 Aug 2006, 14:10 pm
Thanx ufo…there is some great ones but they dont work!
16 Aug 2006, 14:11 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:12 pm
:zzz:
16 Aug 2006, 14:13 pm
.
16 Aug 2006, 14:13 pm
..
16 Aug 2006, 14:13 pm
:zzz:
16 Aug 2006, 14:13 pm
Supa…
Pity… they’re a lot of fun.
16 Aug 2006, 14:14 pm
Jake has a plan
16 Aug 2006, 14:15 pm
:bullswinccup07:
This one will be out in oktober!
16 Aug 2006, 14:16 pm
Supa :kiss: the WP jumper
16 Aug 2006, 14:16 pm
9999999999
16 Aug 2006, 14:17 pm
BIO – wtf ???? come brew !
16 Aug 2006, 14:17 pm
Try weer Supa :kiss: die WP trui
16 Aug 2006, 14:18 pm
(y)
16 Aug 2006, 14:18 pm
Ig’s got his afternoon cut out removing all the irrelevant posts on this thread
16 Aug 2006, 14:18 pm
Goeie middag,
Hier is ‘n paar reels vir goeie beplanning vir die toekoms.
1. Kies altyd jou beste span.
2. Kies altyd jou beste span.
3. Kies altyd jou beste span.
(Of die speler 18 is of 35, as hy die beste in sy posisie is, kies hom. Of hy nou gister matriek afskeid gehad en of hy nou more aftree op pensioen, kies hom. Dit sal beteken dat daar altyd ervare spelers in die span wees, en miskien een of twee nuwelinge.)
Ek dink ons moet ‘n buitelander oorweeg as afrigter. Ek was ‘n goeie voorstander van Laurie Mains nadat hy die Cats afgerig het. Ek dink nie ons het op die oomblik goeie afrigters in SA nie en sodra daar een na vore kom steek provinsialisme sy kop uit. Jake White was twee jaar terug die alpha en omega van rugby. Nou eis almal sy kop. Hy is geweeg en te lig gevind.
16 Aug 2006, 14:19 pm
:supapukes:
16 Aug 2006, 14:19 pm
Hey BIO – carry one and iu am just going to remove you – capish !
16 Aug 2006, 14:19 pm
LMAO at wooden
16 Aug 2006, 14:20 pm
Ig
Sorry mate I am just trying to be annoying as everybody else – posting irrelevent rubbish
16 Aug 2006, 14:20 pm
Ok back to rugby related topics
Jake has no plan
16 Aug 2006, 14:21 pm
Yes BIO we spaek rugby here
16 Aug 2006, 14:21 pm
bokinozzie
Just post what you normally post..it will fit the rubbish profile
16 Aug 2006, 14:22 pm
Griekwa
I know a lot of people are opposed to it, but I wouldn’t mind a foreigner in charge. I don’t think our record could get worse, and there will be fresh ideas, particularly re back play.
Maybe not Laurie Mains, but someone like John Mitchell?
16 Aug 2006, 14:22 pm
This whole debate is useless
How can we get rid of Jake White? We cant we will sit here moaning until RWC07 and be none the better for it
This SUCKS, someone please think of something
16 Aug 2006, 14:22 pm
Boys how does one get those smileys on the posts.
No wait! Where do you get them from.
16 Aug 2006, 14:22 pm
:speak:
435
16 Aug 2006, 14:23 pm
o for vark stakes BOI, weve been through this a million times. Scroll up and read! Why do think everyone started posting smileys????
16 Aug 2006, 14:24 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:25 pm
BokinOzzie. Read post 282 onwards
16 Aug 2006, 14:25 pm
Supa (436)
I only post rubbish on this site because that is your level of understanding and communication.
16 Aug 2006, 14:25 pm
This one’s for Supa…
Luke Wyason on the Cover of SARugby…
16 Aug 2006, 14:26 pm
Yes BIO , I’m not explaining it again , enough is enough , I helped everybody
:SupaLovesLuke:
16 Aug 2006, 14:27 pm
damn… orang utangs toes again…
16 Aug 2006, 14:27 pm
:supaisaclosetlukefan:
16 Aug 2006, 14:28 pm
:sremrotsisprematurewith450:
16 Aug 2006, 14:29 pm
BOI
:gofuckyourself:
Srem
:sremlesaamWessie:
16 Aug 2006, 14:29 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:30 pm
Laurie Mains was oorweeg voordat hulle vir Harry Viljoen aangestel het.(Ek dink). Hy is seker al in die ouetehuis. Enige goeie afrigter sal doen. Ek is oop vir voortselle. Hou net vir Sir Clive weg.
16 Aug 2006, 14:30 pm
:woodenisaprematureejaculater:
Eloise send me this smiley…
16 Aug 2006, 14:31 pm
Supa wie de fok is wessie
:SupaVerlangNaLuke:
16 Aug 2006, 14:32 pm
Bring vir Mallet terug Griekwa
:SupaClosetWpSupporter:
16 Aug 2006, 14:33 pm
This is shocking news!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 14:33 pm
LMFAO!!!
:sremkookvirwesselrouxgroente:
16 Aug 2006, 14:33 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:33 pm
BiO…
16 Aug 2006, 14:35 pm
Supa
16 Aug 2006, 14:35 pm
Supa is jy seker Wessel se naam moes nie Kees gewees het nie
:SupaWilStormersSupportOok:
16 Aug 2006, 14:36 pm
Supa (453)
It does not take much to get your testicals on fire!
16 Aug 2006, 14:36 pm
:whatswithallthisstuff:
16 Aug 2006, 14:37 pm
:howzitskim:
16 Aug 2006, 14:37 pm
No wooden, she is the Fat,ugly one with one wooden leg and the stinking breath staying next to tafelberg.
:sremhurtmyfellings:
16 Aug 2006, 14:38 pm
Supa wears ‘Loook whats on’ G-string.
16 Aug 2006, 14:38 pm
Nee wat Mallet is die een wat vir Nobby Skinstadt ingebring het voor die WC99. Was ‘n groot fout. Nobby was uitsekende impak speler maar nie goed genoeg vir Teichman te lig nie. Die ou storie..provinsialisme. Nobby was van die WP
16 Aug 2006, 14:38 pm
:whyareyoupostingsthuffbetween::?:
16 Aug 2006, 14:38 pm
Does anybody know the smiley for
WP 2006 CC Champs
:SupaEnBollaKuier:
16 Aug 2006, 14:39 pm
wow! how did I do that?
16 Aug 2006, 14:40 pm
:you must be an A1 skim:
16 Aug 2006, 14:40 pm
We are trying to create smileys Skim
:WP-2006-CC-champs:
16 Aug 2006, 14:41 pm
skim 473
16 Aug 2006, 14:41 pm
skim… you’ll be laughing too soon…
16 Aug 2006, 14:41 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:42 pm
u guys read the new sports illusrated about luke?
16 Aug 2006, 14:43 pm
Supa (479)
If you have an IQ give it to Jacob Zuma because its wasted on you.
16 Aug 2006, 14:43 pm
:srembukvirbolla:
16 Aug 2006, 14:44 pm
486 No tell us.:shock:
:SupaEnBollaIsItem:
16 Aug 2006, 14:44 pm
How do you change your nickname ? I must say that I have a very kak nic.
16 Aug 2006, 14:45 pm
490-halfway through now
16 Aug 2006, 14:45 pm
BOI
Read 453 and digest…
16 Aug 2006, 14:45 pm
Kia Ora Keo
Long time no post but this article really does tipify whats going on in SA rugby. Jakes leadership is obviosly amiss. Who is really calling the shots because if it were just one man, or a coaching panel all working together then we would at least see some sought of pattern, not the debacle you have exposed. If this were all Jakes doing then the man has a few screws loose upstairs.
Some players in SA really do catch the eye. Take Brent Russell who has pace, vision and skill. Okay he doesnt have size but he is international quality and a place needs to be found for the guy. Its all about team combinations and if you cant mould individual brilliance into a team then as a coach you are failing your role, your players and in this case your country.
So much talent over there in the republic and so sad to see it being so badly mismanaged as it is.
Now that the blacks are coming over the SA players blood will start to boil and they will step it up. Id expect nothing less than the hardest tests of the year to be played in SA so dont let white off the hook if there is anything less than a highly competitive performance. Even so the standard should be that you would expect go in with the confidence of actually beating us over there. I dont hink that Jake has instilled any confidence in his players or countrymen by fuking the guys around.
Even if you guys do win against us, make sure the SA media keep Jake Whites feet firmly on the ground. One victory does not excuse the lack of preperation for the ultimate goal next year…but for the loyal Japie supporter who has to put up with this **** it would be well deserved.
16 Aug 2006, 14:46 pm
I see the smileys have more planning in each of them than Jake has in total for the World Cup!!
I told you guys loooooooooooong ago that Jake MUST Goooooooooooooooooooo!!
………..Nobody listened!!
Hier kom ‘n groot hoop….en dit is definitief nie modder nie!!
16 Aug 2006, 14:46 pm
King ask Supa
16 Aug 2006, 14:47 pm
Hey now Dawn… that tough talk is scary…
16 Aug 2006, 14:47 pm
Supa (496)re (453)
I dont want to live your life.
16 Aug 2006, 14:48 pm
king click on your name at “logged in as the king”
16 Aug 2006, 14:48 pm
Bugger I did not get 500.
16 Aug 2006, 14:49 pm
srem you are too slow on the milestone posts. Better luck at 600
16 Aug 2006, 14:49 pm
501
And you will never be that lucky…
16 Aug 2006, 14:49 pm
sorry srem bud…
wasn’t even trying…
16 Aug 2006, 14:50 pm
Keo, LOL at your headline – so typically Keo, but I dig it when an oke has an opinion and says something.
Great article.
16 Aug 2006, 14:51 pm
(506)
If that is what you call lucky I will take my chances at the casino.
16 Aug 2006, 14:52 pm
… but I did get my first ton…
16 Aug 2006, 14:52 pm
506 Wooden If I’m slow what is Supa
16 Aug 2006, 14:53 pm
you are probably thhe worst gambler ever…
16 Aug 2006, 14:53 pm
srem
not trying…
16 Aug 2006, 14:53 pm
Where Dawn
BIO :StayInAuzzie:
16 Aug 2006, 14:54 pm
Hello Supa, BokinOzzie, Spermkots!!
Supa,
Dankie vir die E-Mails!!
BokinOzzie,
How’s the drug peddling business going??
PS! I hate farking Smileys
16 Aug 2006, 14:54 pm
Supa is normally on the ball, he’s just distracted by BIO right now. He did tell me he has a crush on luke though…
16 Aug 2006, 14:55 pm
GBS… howzit…
16 Aug 2006, 14:55 pm
16 Aug 2006, 14:55 pm
seems from the sports illustrated mag that white has had it in for luke for a while,white told the u19 coaches to drop luke even though he was captain,the team were winning by big scores and white wasnt involved,the coaches told white to get stuffed(white was u21 coach)chester chose luke in the 7s team and jake tried to also get watson dropped telling chester schalk was much better and even sending schalk to the training camp but chester decided luke was better suited to 7′s
16 Aug 2006, 14:56 pm
Small wienies.
16 Aug 2006, 14:56 pm
O Ja…
Hello ufo!!
All’s fine in the land of milk & honey!!
Except for the boks……and the bulls!!
Hehehehehe
16 Aug 2006, 14:56 pm
516 Wooden I do believe you
16 Aug 2006, 14:57 pm
Spermkots,
Cut & Paste works wonders!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 14:57 pm
Howdy Gblou! Ek gee bietjie die rugridders nonsens op die wp thread.
Wooden
Dont start, ive already have my hand full! he he
16 Aug 2006, 14:58 pm
(514)
Srem
I will.
Funny thing is that I can return anytime I want – but I wont unless on holiday to exploit the cheap prices that SA has to offer.
Not so easy for you when you think of wanting to come over OZ.
16 Aug 2006, 14:59 pm
Supa watter WP thread
:SupaLikeDawnPlenty:
16 Aug 2006, 14:59 pm
GBS… cool…
now Supa has to talk tough… and pretend he hasn’t been enjoying the company of WP supporters…
16 Aug 2006, 14:59 pm
K_I_R
Normally all the publicity would impact negatively on his chances of selection (ie. Schalk Brits & Cobus Visagie), but maybe its better to get the full story out and make everyone aware that Jake has a problem with the guy. Jake is running out of excuses, it has to be personal.
16 Aug 2006, 15:00 pm
GBS
All is good everybody needs drugs people cant live without them.
We trying to do the undertakers out of their business by keeping people alive.
16 Aug 2006, 15:01 pm
Our World Cup campaign is already stuffed. It started going pear shaped during the Super 14, and was finally totally stuffed up on the away leg of the 3N.
Keo you’ve hit the nail on the head – there is absolutely no grand plan as far as our WC 2007 campaign goes – we are going along with Wales and Italy just to fill up the numbers. The only teams with prospects are NZ, Aus and France. The rest are making up the numbers
16 Aug 2006, 15:02 pm
srem gaan jou nie se nie
:sremmelkbolla:
16 Aug 2006, 15:03 pm
real…
Does he say why?????? …what started his anti-Luke feelings…
16 Aug 2006, 15:03 pm
B16 don’t hold your breath for next years S14 either. Only SA side with a chance are the Spears
16 Aug 2006, 15:05 pm
(512)
Here is the correlation Supa and you fell in it.
If being you was lucky and me being lucky at the casino is the same.
Now read 512 again.
LOL!
16 Aug 2006, 15:05 pm
528- yeah interesting points were mentioned,jake has told friends that luke carries to much baggage,also white publically criticised brits for saying he may play overseas then a year later telling every1 he may go coach overseas
16 Aug 2006, 15:06 pm
Dawn…
chill babe… I have it on the best authority that the world will indeed not crash into Mars tomorrow…
16 Aug 2006, 15:06 pm
(534)
“fell in it” = fell for it.
16 Aug 2006, 15:06 pm
ufo
Im fighting off the enemy on two threads…he he
16 Aug 2006, 15:07 pm
BiO…
you really fit in it then…
16 Aug 2006, 15:09 pm
Well that’s what you get for wearing blue tights and red knickers under your bok jersey…
16 Aug 2006, 15:09 pm
I hear a rumour that SA is pulling out of Super rugby at the end of this existing contract with sanzar and will be playing in europe.
I think SARU believes that BOK rugby is on the way down so they thought they would be competitive in the next level down.
16 Aug 2006, 15:10 pm
luke was captain at grey and apparently was invovled in arguments started by teachers about his father,the grey coach is good friends with jake and told him about this and jake felt luke was wrong
16 Aug 2006, 15:11 pm
Mannnnnnnn,
Tell me, pretty please tell me this is not turning into yet another Luke thread!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:12 pm
Whashappening Groot, Bokinozzie, KIR, ufo and da rest
16 Aug 2006, 15:13 pm
gbs-just relaying what was said in sports Ill
16 Aug 2006, 15:13 pm
Wag nou GBsmile dit is nogal interressant (sp)
16 Aug 2006, 15:13 pm
Hello Skimmie!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:14 pm
BiO…
Not quite true…
We’re gonna apply to play in Malawi… But only if they write into the agreement that they’ll let the Boks win…
16 Aug 2006, 15:15 pm
550 : 1 odds for wp vs pumas, to the wp of course
16 Aug 2006, 15:15 pm
howziiiit Skim…
16 Aug 2006, 15:16 pm
I hateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Jake White!!
How’s that for hate speech!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:18 pm
chilling, chilling.
I posted My first smiley today.
Did it by accident though.
16 Aug 2006, 15:18 pm
still don’t know how it works.
16 Aug 2006, 15:19 pm
On a seriaaas note here…
k-i-r… I think that all says more about jakes attitude and character than it does about Watson’s… White sounds like a small mean-spirited and vindictive under-achieving rugby player wannabe…
16 Aug 2006, 15:20 pm
Skim
Everything is still hanging low – so cant complain at the moment.
16 Aug 2006, 15:21 pm
I need some of your drugs today, BokinOzzie…..schedule 7 drugs!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:22 pm
skim…
right click on the icon…
click properties…
check alternate text
type exactly what you see…
16 Aug 2006, 15:24 pm
skim hou net jou muis oor hierdie
tik dit dan net so in
16 Aug 2006, 15:24 pm
16 Aug 2006, 15:25 pm
Guys – enough with all this **** !
16 Aug 2006, 15:25 pm
Weren’t we past 550?
Am I going crazy or are posts dissapearing?
16 Aug 2006, 15:26 pm
Is trots op grootblou , Nou moet jy nog net WP skree
16 Aug 2006, 15:26 pm
I could have sworn that I postet 550:1 odds for WP at the 550′th post.
16 Aug 2006, 15:26 pm
(545)
GBS – you wanna see the skies and the daisies?
16 Aug 2006, 15:27 pm
Quick Srem, you gotta nuther chance…
16 Aug 2006, 15:27 pm
550
16 Aug 2006, 15:28 pm
Lol at 550
16 Aug 2006, 15:29 pm
Yikes again…
Sorry, srem… was really trying to give you the batting…
16 Aug 2006, 15:31 pm
bokinoz
who do you support?
16 Aug 2006, 15:31 pm
Spermkots,
Neeeeeeeeeeeee, ek skree nie WP nie…..ek bly ‘n bul!!
BokinOzzie,
Yes, preferably Namakwaland Daisies!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:32 pm
(554)
I support my wife – she is maintenance alright!
But worth every dollar.
16 Aug 2006, 15:33 pm
Supa
I support the STORMERS.
16 Aug 2006, 15:34 pm
The BOKS
16 Aug 2006, 15:34 pm
bok
Answer the question or are you shy? Im just wondering cause you said luke is not good. Now i know you are not a bull.
16 Aug 2006, 15:34 pm
And in da CC Bokin?
16 Aug 2006, 15:35 pm
Skim,
Is’nt that a bit obvious??
16 Aug 2006, 15:37 pm
boi
So you a wp boytjie! Thats why i dont understand that you dont rate Watson highly…all the other supporters worship him! or are you just the first honest wp supporter?
16 Aug 2006, 15:38 pm
GBS
Their is Cialis and Viagra for fun in the bush.
sertraline for sunflowers
but I recommend ‘soweto gold’ for Namakwaland daisies.
16 Aug 2006, 15:40 pm
Or Durban Poison….
Or maybe the rice crispies dwarfs…..smack, crack & pot!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:41 pm
Why is all my posts dissapearing!!!
Geez, I feel like I’m in primary school.
How about 544, 412, 415?
You are picking on me!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:41 pm
Supa
Watch Luke in the S14 he plays his own game.
His best game was against the western farts but he kept taking the wrong options.
At ruck time he tended to do the pick and drive when he should have swung the ball wide when there were better options to try and get the ball forward.
Maybe he was trying to0 hard to be noticed.
Give him a full season at S14 next year if he can make it.
16 Aug 2006, 15:43 pm
Me thinks that Jake sniffs Vim!!
16 Aug 2006, 15:43 pm
What’s Vim?
Everyone keeps going on about it.
16 Aug 2006, 15:44 pm
thanx BOI
so you are a honest supporter!
16 Aug 2006, 15:44 pm
There is a strange mentality that exists among white South Africans who claim they have no racial prejudices, as if that was always the case. Yet any white person who opposed apartheid they still consider as traitors and having political baggage. It seems that Jake falls into that category.
16 Aug 2006, 15:45 pm
Skim,
Vim is a pot scourer / cleaner / anteseptic thingy!
16 Aug 2006, 15:45 pm
Oh. That’s not too bad.
16 Aug 2006, 15:45 pm
(567)
GBS – Vim my gosh that is ruff stuff.
Does Jake have any nose hairs left?
16 Aug 2006, 15:47 pm
Jake White! On your knees and SUCK!
16 Aug 2006, 15:49 pm
Jakewhitesuck,
Gwo are ju and gwat do ju want?
16 Aug 2006, 15:49 pm
Supa
You see the ultimate goal is to benefit the boks and unfortunately Watson is not that package yet.
CC is for S14 and S14 is for the BOKS if you cant play in the CC and S14 then the BOKS is out of the question unless there are some freaks out there.
There are some of them out there though!
The ones you would put in a national set up irrespective.
16 Aug 2006, 15:51 pm
Bryan Habana didn’t even play CC before he became a bok.
16 Aug 2006, 15:52 pm
(577)
Skim
He is a freak!
16 Aug 2006, 15:53 pm
skim
he is(was) just that good…but he did play a few. Think Schalk and JDV didnt play much either become becoming some of the great boks.
16 Aug 2006, 15:54 pm
Oh. A real pacy freak with great handling and in need of a good step.
16 Aug 2006, 15:55 pm
I’m a freak too……pure genius!!
Hehehehehehehe
16 Aug 2006, 15:58 pm
Middag mense
16 Aug 2006, 15:59 pm
The ability to see things for what they are is usually absent from this site,,
Few questions aren’t answered:
1. Is JW Boks are also his (sole) selection? I reckoned not
2. Can you win a RWC without a substantial winning culture in the years leading to the competition? I reckoned not
Unfortunately for Luke Watson, G Botha, Brent Russell and few other quality players, their Boks positions have been pegged for quota players and for a while now, Ruan Pinaar may not make the RWC Squad while January or Conradie will!
Enough said
16 Aug 2006, 15:59 pm
this thread wont reach 600
16 Aug 2006, 15:59 pm
The school structure in SA Rugby is pretty good, if we can take that into our profesional rugby our problems would be solved.
16 Aug 2006, 16:00 pm
Yes it will.
16 Aug 2006, 16:00 pm
I really think so.
16 Aug 2006, 16:01 pm
i said no it wont!
16 Aug 2006, 16:01 pm
Tommorrow I’m playing my interschools game people, wish me luck!
16 Aug 2006, 16:02 pm
Our top schools should play a tri-nations.
Who is it now?
Paul roos?
Paarl Gim?
Grey Bloem?
16 Aug 2006, 16:02 pm
if this thread reaches 600 wp will win the cc.
16 Aug 2006, 16:02 pm
Who do you play for bok?
16 Aug 2006, 16:03 pm
excellent post dangerbot.
Do you support WP?
16 Aug 2006, 16:03 pm
JDV and Schalk over-rated and pathetic!
16 Aug 2006, 16:04 pm
skim, of course i do.
16 Aug 2006, 16:05 pm
Dude, If you just shut up no-one will notice your stupidity.
JDV is the best back we’ve had in a while.
The boks really misses Schalk and If he played against Oz we eould have won.
16 Aug 2006, 16:07 pm
Skim,
I play for Somerset-West
16 Aug 2006, 16:09 pm
Gotta admit Jakes plan seems to be to win every test – but judging by all you spectators calling for his head if he loses, dont you think that is probably the bst plan for his own survival? If som of the spectators on this site actually thought before opening their mouths, and accepted that if we experiment with anything other than known first choice players, we do run a risk of losing once in a while, then he might do what keo is suggesting.
16 Aug 2006, 16:09 pm
getting closer
16 Aug 2006, 16:09 pm
JakeWhiteSuck,
Jdv an Schalk Burger over rated?! What do you smoke?
16 Aug 2006, 16:10 pm
gone! wp for cc champions!
16 Aug 2006, 16:11 pm
What position do you play Bok?
I take it by your nick you think you got a bright future?
16 Aug 2006, 16:11 pm
YEAH DANGERBOT YEAH!!!
16 Aug 2006, 16:12 pm
Thats quite obvious danger.
16 Aug 2006, 16:12 pm
Skim,
I’m a no.8 but no I’m not gonna have a future in rugby. It would be nice, but I’m not good enough, and you?
16 Aug 2006, 16:13 pm
Jake white suck are you GBS?
You are just doing a wind up.
JDV is highly rated in NZ and OZ. When he came onto the scene the NZs said the boks have not sorted out their midfield.
16 Aug 2006, 16:15 pm
jA, jean is under rated if you ask me
16 Aug 2006, 16:16 pm
BokinOzzie
Are you a South-African in Australia?
16 Aug 2006, 16:17 pm
I played outside centre for the 3rd team.
Threw an intercept pass in the final.
Haven’t played a match since.
16 Aug 2006, 16:18 pm
He’s not me…..I’m not him!!
16 Aug 2006, 16:18 pm
The Bok Team at full strenth for me:
Os
John Smit (captain)
BJ Botha
Danie Roussouw
Matfield
Luke Watson
Juan Smith
Piere Spies
Pienaar
Butch James
Bryan Habana
JeandV
Jacque
JP Petersen
Andre Pretorius
16 Aug 2006, 16:19 pm
Skim where are you?
16 Aug 2006, 16:19 pm
You’d choose Danie above Bakkies?
16 Aug 2006, 16:19 pm
For what age do you play?
16 Aug 2006, 16:19 pm
The lustrous northern suburbs of Joburg.
16 Aug 2006, 16:20 pm
Hey Skim, Bakkies is injured
16 Aug 2006, 16:20 pm
Did I play.
16 Aug 2006, 16:20 pm
What age?
16 Aug 2006, 16:20 pm
Thought You said full strenth.
16 Aug 2006, 16:21 pm
OH, how old are you if I may know?
16 Aug 2006, 16:21 pm
What do you guys think of the new look of the Sa Rugby mag?
16 Aug 2006, 16:22 pm
Full strenth with injuries, sorry.
16 Aug 2006, 16:22 pm
Luke’s good.
Hhahahahah, sometimes I crack myself up.
16 Aug 2006, 16:23 pm
Schalk Brits is coming to talk as a guest
16 Aug 2006, 16:24 pm
Luke is excellent, brilliant, why the hell is he not in the team. The Sports Illustrated tries to explain but they’re not that good of a mag.
16 Aug 2006, 16:24 pm
570 David,
not sure who you are referring to. there were many whites, like the watson’s, who opposed apartheid but dont feel the need to constantly self-congratulate themselves on something that was simply the fair thing to do.
As for jake white, as far as i understand he is completely for transformation. i cant believe this theory that white is persecuting him for his old man’s beliefs, sounds like crud.
16 Aug 2006, 16:25 pm
GBS
Just checking!
It is not meant to an insult but just checking.
16 Aug 2006, 16:26 pm
(608)
I am a true BOK suporter in OZ land through and through.
16 Aug 2006, 16:26 pm
roflmao for the simpsons, just watched it on my computer
16 Aug 2006, 16:28 pm
rotflmao= rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off
16 Aug 2006, 16:29 pm
OK thanx for explaining it.
16 Aug 2006, 16:31 pm
Friday I have to play golf….
Oh I’ve got a tough life!!
Have’nt played for a while, so I suppose it’s going to be a game of “Moer & Soek”
16 Aug 2006, 16:34 pm
grootblousmile,
that kind of game ussualy works for me
16 Aug 2006, 16:34 pm
Good rugby=WP
16 Aug 2006, 16:35 pm
ek = lekker boude
16 Aug 2006, 16:35 pm
Nè groot.
16 Aug 2006, 16:36 pm
Ja….lekker Hoenderboude!!
16 Aug 2006, 16:36 pm
ek = koeispene
16 Aug 2006, 16:39 pm
Would love to stay and chat but this thread is going south.
Cheers Groot,bok.
Hê ‘n geweldige dag.
16 Aug 2006, 16:39 pm
gblou
gholf soos in daai email wat ek gestuur het? he he
16 Aug 2006, 16:40 pm
Jaaaaaaaaaa,
Mooi ou golfkarretjie daai!!
16 Aug 2006, 16:42 pm
Wens ek kon om en om daai ou golfkarretjie loop…..en daarna!
Nee sies man!!
16 Aug 2006, 16:44 pm
Speel jy gholf?
16 Aug 2006, 16:45 pm
Ek speel golf…nie dat Ernie & Retief trots op my sou wees nie!
16 Aug 2006, 16:46 pm
good night gentlemen the night is running away from me.
16 Aug 2006, 16:50 pm
geez, this thread still going?
16 Aug 2006, 16:55 pm
wow, i just stopped this thread with one post….
My time is NOW.
16 Aug 2006, 16:59 pm
You time has just passed!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:02 pm
and its back. wiff a 650
16 Aug 2006, 17:03 pm
oops 650
16 Aug 2006, 17:03 pm
im last
16 Aug 2006, 17:04 pm
Bet this thread is as dead as Jake’s thoughts!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:07 pm
not entirely dead
16 Aug 2006, 17:08 pm
shhh, you’ll wake the beast.
16 Aug 2006, 17:08 pm
There’s danger around…..beware!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:09 pm
bot wait, there’s more.
16 Aug 2006, 17:10 pm
The beast is strirring.
Forgot to send an email to the boss so he can before 8am – I am absolutely buggered.
16 Aug 2006, 17:10 pm
not over yet
16 Aug 2006, 17:12 pm
nothing is ever as it seems…
16 Aug 2006, 17:13 pm
Nou praat ons net kakas!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:13 pm
never give up
16 Aug 2006, 17:14 pm
There will be none before and none after…
16 Aug 2006, 17:14 pm
cheers
16 Aug 2006, 17:16 pm
Cheers Supa
16 Aug 2006, 17:16 pm
vir oulaas…
16 Aug 2006, 17:16 pm
cheese
16 Aug 2006, 17:18 pm
Dangerbot (666)
You are the beast!
16 Aug 2006, 17:18 pm
oh ****, i posted next to the beast.
16 Aug 2006, 17:18 pm
The Beast in the Machine!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:19 pm
bwaaaaaahhahahahaha, run children and hide. mothers, lock up your daughters. the beast is awake!
16 Aug 2006, 17:20 pm
Good night chaps!
16 Aug 2006, 17:20 pm
Bye you old drugpeddler!
16 Aug 2006, 17:21 pm
sleep with one eye open bokinozzie. i’m always awake.
16 Aug 2006, 17:22 pm
Gotta give the old chassis a rest!
Ciao.
16 Aug 2006, 17:23 pm
damnit…ok bloues, mooi bly ou grote.
16 Aug 2006, 17:25 pm
ciao
16 Aug 2006, 17:26 pm
bye bye bok.
16 Aug 2006, 17:27 pm
ciao!
16 Aug 2006, 17:28 pm
Can’t leave you okes alone one minute……
16 Aug 2006, 17:28 pm
byeeeee!
16 Aug 2006, 17:28 pm
hahaha
16 Aug 2006, 17:29 pm
ciao!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:30 pm
ciao ciao!
16 Aug 2006, 17:30 pm
See what I mean?
16 Aug 2006, 17:30 pm
You guys think this thread will reach 700?
16 Aug 2006, 17:30 pm
skim…
16 Aug 2006, 17:31 pm
not a ******* chance…
16 Aug 2006, 17:31 pm
Yebo
16 Aug 2006, 17:31 pm
Gogo
16 Aug 2006, 17:32 pm
Ama-ten-ten hola seven!!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:32 pm
Half tiger.
16 Aug 2006, 17:32 pm
it’s a bit of a stretch I think.
16 Aug 2006, 17:32 pm
Quarter chicken.
16 Aug 2006, 17:33 pm
You think?
16 Aug 2006, 17:33 pm
Had a look at remaining fixtures WP and Natal
WP will accumulate a further 23 and Natal a further 26
which will leave them tied for top of the log – any detractors
16 Aug 2006, 17:33 pm
Ig is gonna remove every post from 676.
16 Aug 2006, 17:33 pm
6 is too much. we will never make it. mayday mayday.
16 Aug 2006, 17:34 pm
How many game does WP hav left?
Multiply that by 5. That’s how many pints they’ll accumulate.
16 Aug 2006, 17:34 pm
shall i just claim 700 in the name of the beast?
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
700…
Takes the award like the dkim in die nag…
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
Friday
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
or now maybe even.
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
hello 700
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
702 talk radio
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
skim in die nag…
16 Aug 2006, 17:35 pm
Vinnie, where you been buddy?
16 Aug 2006, 17:36 pm
Sheeeeeesh…..
Vinnie – i will drop you a mail tomorrow.
16 Aug 2006, 17:36 pm
Ag fok aorund.
Trying to actually earn a living for a change.
How you boys keeping?
16 Aug 2006, 17:36 pm
Ig has scolded me for going for the round ones.
16 Aug 2006, 17:36 pm
**** vinnie, you been lurking in the dark you *******.
16 Aug 2006, 17:36 pm
Sweet Ig!
16 Aug 2006, 17:37 pm
7 x 5 = 35 but I suspect they will only get 5 against Pumas , Valke and Griquas . 4 against Bulls , 1 against Natal in Kings Park and 1 in Bloem and 2 at Ellis Park = 23
16 Aug 2006, 17:37 pm
wilde ysbere wat gras vreet
16 Aug 2006, 17:39 pm
Did anyone read post 698 thoroughly?
16 Aug 2006, 17:39 pm
shaka,
Think WP will take 4 points at either the sharks or the cheetahs and definitely a fullhouse at ellis park.
I suspect 28 points for the second half of the season.
16 Aug 2006, 17:40 pm
maybe if i get 777 it will cancel out the beast.
16 Aug 2006, 17:40 pm
wildebeest?
16 Aug 2006, 17:41 pm
province is so good, they will get 6 points from all their remaining matches. not even chuck can better that.
16 Aug 2006, 17:42 pm
Yes but luke can.
16 Aug 2006, 17:42 pm
I’m Back!!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:43 pm
No, you’re Bok!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:43 pm
Jafter is ‘n kommunis.
16 Aug 2006, 17:43 pm
luke’s tries are worth 8 points in the IRB rule book.
16 Aug 2006, 17:43 pm
As far as Natal is concerned they should pick up 5 against Griquas and Valke at Kings Park , 4 against Stanford’s boys and Weepee at Kings Park and Pumas away , 2 in Bloem and hopefully more than 1 at Ellis Park = 26 . This may well improve if AP is not playing at Ellis Park on Sat which could even leave Natal on top by the end of September .
16 Aug 2006, 17:45 pm
I have just heard on foxsports news round up that Jake has had a change of mind he is rethinking Luke watson inclusion into the squad.
16 Aug 2006, 17:45 pm
#715 Vinnie – look I’m a transplanted Zulu living in Pink Town and if Natal do better , I would be stoked
16 Aug 2006, 17:45 pm
Luke never read the rule book.
He watched it until it gave him the info.
16 Aug 2006, 17:46 pm
dangerbot (723)
He may need that handicap to get into the side!
16 Aug 2006, 17:46 pm
BokinOzzie – that’s known as political pressure
16 Aug 2006, 17:46 pm
BIO, are you talking ****?
16 Aug 2006, 17:48 pm
Keo
Is this story true??
16 Aug 2006, 17:48 pm
it’s not a handicap BIO. tsk tsk.
16 Aug 2006, 17:49 pm
as if keo would help us now. we’re all alone out here BIO.
16 Aug 2006, 17:49 pm
BIO – Keo went home long ago – making mega bucks – okes like us still at graft earning wages !!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:50 pm
Gerber said that if he played in the current bok team he would kick the coach in the bum,jokingly he said of course.
16 Aug 2006, 17:52 pm
where do you find all this info BIO?
16 Aug 2006, 17:52 pm
BIO – as your name implies , you were once one of us – so if I said to you , I’m vying pausie shortly , you probably get my drift and then I shall watch ETV News at 19h00 RSA time to test the veracity of the alleged Sky report . Who we gonn drop for Luke !!
16 Aug 2006, 17:53 pm
Which Gerber
16 Aug 2006, 17:54 pm
BOI
Where the hell did Fox news get that info? Can we trust anything coming from George Bush’s personal news network?
16 Aug 2006, 17:54 pm
drop jake for luke. luke could be player-coach. and director and manager.
16 Aug 2006, 17:55 pm
WP will have a reasonable second round, taking 5 points against pumas and valke. 4 points against griquas and lions. 1 points from their bulls-game. They will however leave durbs and bloem without something to show for.
That is 19points on the log.
Remember this post!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:55 pm
Danger
Regarding Gerber story go to smh.com.au and scroll to the sports which is near the bottom of the home page.
The watson story on TV, foxsports.
16 Aug 2006, 17:56 pm
thank you bakallas. i got it in my diary.
16 Aug 2006, 17:57 pm
Does a rethink mean Luke is in the side or Jake had another thought and again said “no”.
16 Aug 2006, 17:58 pm
danger you seriously going for 777?
16 Aug 2006, 17:58 pm
I dont have cable at home!!!
16 Aug 2006, 17:59 pm
Shaka
Which one do you think??
16 Aug 2006, 17:59 pm
I’ve got plenty.
16 Aug 2006, 18:00 pm
I’ve never been more serious in my life! ever!! EVER!!
16 Aug 2006, 18:00 pm
750 buks for a game!!! That’s outrageous!!
16 Aug 2006, 18:00 pm
ever ever never ever ever?
16 Aug 2006, 18:00 pm
BIO, I think Jake thinks to much! Luke (arrogant as he may be!) deserves a chance by now. And I am really not a big fan of him!
16 Aug 2006, 18:02 pm
luke frowns upon you kaballas. how dare you not like him?
16 Aug 2006, 18:03 pm
What’s the local time now BIO?
Shouldn’t you be in bed by now? Or did the missus kick you out?
16 Aug 2006, 18:03 pm
IO, Ig will kill you for doing that!
16 Aug 2006, 18:04 pm
Gerber also stated that the coaches don’t allow the players too much latitude to play their own game which was the reason for such boring uncreative rugby.
Wonder who he was refering to?
16 Aug 2006, 18:05 pm
Local time is 2:04 am
The missus is pregnant and there is not much space on the bed when she moves.
16 Aug 2006, 18:06 pm
it all started with this post:
#
wow, i just stopped this thread with one post….
My time is NOW.
Comment by dangerbot : August 16, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
16 Aug 2006, 18:07 pm
Danger
Ig is my mate!
He only works in work hours because he is a slack ***.
Keo needs to keep an eye on him but then again Keo is more slack than him so he thinks Ig is a high performer.
I am tired!!
16 Aug 2006, 18:07 pm
Shame upon you kabalalalabalalabala
16 Aug 2006, 18:08 pm
Link’s gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 Aug 2006, 18:08 pm
you need rest BIO…go…NOW…be peaceful.
16 Aug 2006, 18:08 pm
Oh, it’s back.
16 Aug 2006, 18:09 pm
NO!! its gone again!!!
16 Aug 2006, 18:09 pm
AAAAAAGHHH!!!
I’m SOOO confused!!!
16 Aug 2006, 18:09 pm
told you! hahaha bwaaahahahahaha
16 Aug 2006, 18:10 pm
around every 769 lurks an evil IG
16 Aug 2006, 18:10 pm
My thumb hurts.
16 Aug 2006, 18:10 pm
Does this mean I am famous?
16 Aug 2006, 18:11 pm
The same story was also carried on news24 yesterday.
16 Aug 2006, 18:11 pm
777…
16 Aug 2006, 18:11 pm
carried away?
16 Aug 2006, 18:11 pm
777.
16 Aug 2006, 18:12 pm
777
16 Aug 2006, 18:12 pm
777
16 Aug 2006, 18:12 pm
777
AAAAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!
I am the hash-slinging-slasher.
16 Aug 2006, 18:12 pm
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I deserve a KFC moms-night-off feast.
16 Aug 2006, 18:12 pm
bwaaaahahahahahahaha
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
16 Aug 2006, 18:13 pm
Heading for 800?
16 Aug 2006, 18:13 pm
My cake came out excellently.
16 Aug 2006, 18:14 pm
#747 – I see it’s our centre legend Danie – who I understand used to work for the old Bantu Administration Board – but as a rugby centre – One of a kind
16 Aug 2006, 18:14 pm
He denied that anything was true.
He was in fact found not to be lying.
16 Aug 2006, 18:15 pm
BOI, boy you’re heading for trouble.
16 Aug 2006, 18:15 pm
he guys, a congrats is in order!!!!
it’s not often on guy gets the 666 and 777.
16 Aug 2006, 18:15 pm
As golf is a recreational sport.
16 Aug 2006, 18:16 pm
Take another look dangerbot.
I have 777.
16 Aug 2006, 18:17 pm
Ig
Did you read the article??
16 Aug 2006, 18:17 pm
The time has come to make a decision.
Are we in this thing alone, or are we in it together.
16 Aug 2006, 18:17 pm
out !!
16 Aug 2006, 18:18 pm
no, how the hell did that happen? i saved page and it shows me at 777
16 Aug 2006, 18:18 pm
out what?
16 Aug 2006, 18:18 pm
http://www.keo.co.za/2006/08/16/sharks-front-up/#comments
Check this one out if not
16 Aug 2006, 18:19 pm
damnit
16 Aug 2006, 18:19 pm
damn what?
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
it is my posts that have been deleted that has changed the placings.
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
800 lurks
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
hello
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
Do you feel the need to talk about it?
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
hello.
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
BIO – i did indeed read the article.
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
800 smackeroos for a lousy toaster.
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
800
16 Aug 2006, 18:20 pm
800
16 Aug 2006, 18:21 pm
Cheers guys.
Gotta go.
16 Aug 2006, 18:21 pm
damnit IG you messed up my 777 and my 800.
16 Aug 2006, 18:21 pm
spot the irony
16 Aug 2006, 18:22 pm
Ig
Just checking if you were around.
tell me what is it like working for a boss who tells you that he is reporting from Bok practise ground but is sitting in the pub making up stories.
16 Aug 2006, 18:23 pm
any truth in the fox reports about jake rethinking like?
16 Aug 2006, 18:23 pm
spot the 5 iron up your *** mate! lol
16 Aug 2006, 18:24 pm
and what would keo say if he found out you screwed up my number system?
16 Aug 2006, 18:25 pm
seriuosly
This is past my bedtime and it is soon time to get for work.
16 Aug 2006, 18:26 pm
good night BIO.
16 Aug 2006, 18:27 pm
or shall we push for 900?
17 Aug 2006, 00:02 am
Jeez Keo – best article you have ever written. Syndicate it to News24 and Business Day instead of your usual columns – it deserves the readership.
17 Aug 2006, 02:52 am
Jeez! what’s new, same old same old.
17 Aug 2006, 04:05 am
GREAT ARTICLE KEO, NOW LETS HOPE JAKE READS IT, OR CAN SOMEONE EMAIL HIM THE LINK
17 Aug 2006, 08:29 am
Keo, your article is brilliant & needs to feature in the SUNDAY TIMES OR SUNDAY TRIBUNE so taht JAKE & SARU can read this. The truth is here & JAKE needs his arse kicked. I cannot believe that SMAL went to FRANCE to learn scrumming techniques, what has he been doing for these past years? — it is no wonder our scrum cant scrum the guy coaching them does not know what he is doing & I have said this over and over- this applies to COETZEE AS WELL. THE COACHING staff is INCOMPETENT, it is not player burn out or the like, it is the coaching staff, wake up SARU.
Oh KEO, a lot of blogs on this site have nothing to do with rugby, IG should block them, they are nothing short of childish
18 Aug 2006, 21:06 pm
Wow. Good article. You often wonder how great teams become ordinary. The whole SA management and administration thing is incredible. Too many huge rugby fans in SA for this to happen! It’s like the New Zealand Air Force (not totally sure if we still have one) should be parachute dropping managers and selectors in key SA rugby areas. We need AID we need blankets or it’s going to be a case of just “well thanks for the memories”! I will start the campaign…send me money. Right now we could probably send you John Hart or Keith Quinn for free (non-returnable) but who knows in a months time Stu Wilson and next year Wayne Smith!
18 Aug 2006, 21:07 pm
Or perhaps this is all a scam and the ‘real’ Bok team is sitting out this years Tri-Nations while they prepare for the world cup?
18 Aug 2006, 21:10 pm
Before I get flamed can I say that I don’t think any New Zealander wants to see the downfall of SA rugby (at least not unless you can take the Aussies with you
). Lets hope either common sence or some sort of bloody revolution prevails in the near future 
18 Aug 2006, 21:11 pm
before I get flamed still …i intended NO reference to SA political history
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