Steyn poised for national selection
8 Oct 2006
Luke Watson still won’t make the Springbok squad for the Ireland and English tests, but the national selectors will blood several in-form Currie Cup players.
The form of Pierre Spies gives White an escape not to pick Watson, although Spies has been devastating as a No 8 in the Absa Currie Cup and not as an open-side option. Watson, consistently, has been the best open-side flanker in the country, through the Super 14 and the Currie Cup. He was very good playing in a beaten pack in Western Province’s semi-final defeat and newspaper reports that played off his performance against that of Spies were outrageous. One played openside flank in a pack whose tight five got murdered. The other played No 8 in a pack that marched relentlessly to a final.
Most independent observers would laud the possibility of Watson playing as open-sider, Spies playing at No 8 and Juan Smith completing the loose-trio. For those who still argue that Watson misses out because there are better, don’t kid yourself. Watson misses out because White does not rate him and never will.
White this weekend told the Sunday newspapers, English and Afrikaans, that for the first time his focus was on winning the World Cup and not the next test. Let’s hope the national coach can maintain this supposed belief on tour. He mentioned a similar thing prior to the Tri Nations. Then the Boks got hammered by France and White feared for his job. His reaction was to stick with the same players who failed him the year before.
Injuries forced him to introduce younger players and Spies was one of those to benefit with two outstanding home tests against New Zealand and Australia. But before we get too carried away, look at the impact of Spies at No 8 in his test debut. Yeah, there was no impact because there was nothing happening among the tight five.
To beat Ireland and to get at least one win out of two against England will require a tight five that is dominant and not just competitive. The loosies in the northern hemisphere will only ever be as good as their tight five. And White and his selectors will have to think carefully about who goes and stays in that department.
Rudolf Straeuli also opted for a young tight five in 2002 to play France, Scotland and England. Deon Carstens, Bakkies Botha and Wessel Roux were all the stars of the domestic competition. They got smashed by teams, whose tight five were well versed in technique.
It will require a mix and match in selection if White is to succeed where all Bok teams have failed since 1997.
Taking younger loose-forwards and backs is to be applauded, but the wiser and more battle-hardened souls are the non negotiables among the pack.
Speculation, based on White having a banter with the Sunday newspapers, include the selection of Francois Steyn as a utility back, potentially Brad Barritt and Jaco Pretorius as a second string midfield combination and the injection of youth in Hilton Lobberts and Kabamba Floors. Chiliboy Ralepelle will again tour, despite the Bulls selectors rating him third, at best, in their current senior set-up – a rating I fully agree with when you consider the quality of Botha and replacement hooker Strauss.
White will not select overseas-based players like Cobus Visagie, although there is a very strong case to be made for Visagie, given he has given all the English props a torrid time in the last two seasons, while French-based Shaun Sowerby would be a ‘horses for courses’ selection.
White will continue to pick John Smit as his first choice hooker and captain, but Os du Randt and Percy Montgomery will be rested. There is also talk that White will ‘rest’ his best outside back in the last two tests in Breyton Paulse. Just why only the selectors would know because Paulse has played very few matches this year and has ended his overseas commitments with Clermont two months ago.
With Montgomery out, White can choose between Bevin Fortuin, JP Pietersen and Steyn, but it seems Johan Roets is very much in the Watson mould. Regardless of what he does, he won’t make the team.
Of the contracted Boks who SARU will be paying until the end of 2007, Hanyani Shimange, Eddie Andrews, Jaco van der Westhuyzen, Marius Joubert and De Wet Barry are unlikely to tour, while a decision has to be made on Jacques Cronje and Victor Matfield.
Joe van Niekerk, who has not had any rugby since the away leg of the Tri Nations, is also unclear about his tour involvement. Van Niekerk hurt his neck in August and it would be wiser to give him an additional month to make a complete recovery.
White’s biggest selection headache comes at lock. Matfield is the best contesting lineout in the world and Bakkies Botha is the best foil in a partnership to Matfield. Without Botha and Matfield, the likes of Johann Muller, Albert van den Berg and Danie Rossouw aren’t as imposing a prospect.
If you look at the two teams that will contest the Currie Cup final, the majority of the players are unlikely to feature in the touring squad. Of the Free Staters, Fortuin is the only probable backline inclusion, with Floors and Jannie du Plessis candidates among the pack. Among the Bulls, Ndungane and Wynand Olivier will probably tour, while Spies, Lobberts, Rossouw and Gary Botha should be in the national squad of 30. That’s less that 10 players out of the 30 coming from the two teams who have dominated the domestic competition.
652 Comments
8 Oct 2006, 11:13 am
Well well well that article was written before yesterdays games.
8 Oct 2006, 11:14 am
Yeah right!
8 Oct 2006, 11:22 am
so first of all well done bulls and cheetahs. my poor sharks, but theyy didnt deserve to win.
steyn? eish man, he has talent sure and lotsa potential but he is young young young.
8 Oct 2006, 11:22 am
The Bulls dont rate CR 3rd, they manage the youngster he is only 19 , very young for a frontrow.
“Of the contracted Boks who SARU will be paying until the end of 2007, Hanyani Shimange, Eddie Andrews, Marius Joubert and De Wet Barry” , this makes me sick , ek wil sommer kots
8 Oct 2006, 11:24 am
Onder die BLOU van ons LOFTUS hemel,laat ons die Sharks verlang na die see. Teen ons magtige BLOU BUL vegters, kan WP nie antwoord gee. Oor ons LOFTUS VERSVELD vlaktes, bo die kreun van die Vrystaat klaag, ruis die stem van ons geliefde, van ons Span wat die Beker dra. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, ons sal Leeus tem soos jy vra. Ons is BLOU en ons is BULLE, kampioen van Suid-Afrika!!!!!!!!
8 Oct 2006, 11:28 am
Keo, get over your crush on Puke Watson. You watched a different game if you thought Luke was any good… he was poor, and not only because he was playing in a losing side. One of the primary reasons why WP lost can be found in the arrogant attitude of the short, slow watermelon farmer wearing the number 6. His captaincy is also poor. Stop punting Luke Watson as our saviour, the boy is (at best) our 4th choice opensider.
8 Oct 2006, 11:29 am
Out of 6 games, Spies has been man of the match 4 times. Only one of those he has played at no.8. So his form at no.6 has actually been more explosive than at no.8, no?
Why MUST the no.6 be a fetcher? New Zealand (the best team in the world) has a ball carrier no.6 (Jerry Collins) and a grand master fetcher at no.7 (Richie McCaw). Who ever said that the no.6 HAS to be a fetcher??? Spies can play no.6 as well (if not better) as no.8. So why is everyone calling for a fetcher no.6 when a fetcher no.7 does quite nicely for other quality sides? The rules of rugby state that no.1 – no.8 must be in the scrum. nowhere does it say that they have to play their designated positions. the loose trio can alternate scrum positions as often as they like! I say we keep Spies at no.6, Luke or someone at no.7, and Big Joe at no.8.
8 Oct 2006, 11:31 am
Floors, smaller than Watson, plays a much more gutsy, instinctive and quick game than Luke.
Luke Watson is rumour created by journalists who want to make themselves relevant to Jake.
8 Oct 2006, 11:36 am
Keo, let go of your love affair with Luke, you are watching him as though he can do no wrong when in fact, he is not even close to ready for the big time.
Yesterday, he knocked on, missed tackles, made poor captaincy decisions and was beaten to the breakdown by a no.8. Also, even when the scrum swung his way, he was too slow off the mark to put any pressure of Heini Adams. Even on the ground, he lost out to the mongrel of Jaco Engels and Botha.
8 Oct 2006, 11:37 am
If anyone expects Jack White to change his “spots” , then keep on kidding yourself!!!The end of the year tour will be much the same we have come to expect of Jack White.He lacks the vision,innovation and lateral thinking to cure South African rugby from its chronic lethargy and stereotypical one-dimensional approach.He is a man in turmoil and is embroiled by his many insecurities.His script was only written for his first year.Not to pick Luke Watson is completely diabolical and it is only in South Africa where someone can get away with such a disservice to his nation!Does anyone doubt whether Luke Watson would make the All Black, Aussie or French team if he lived in those countries? Jack White is not kept accountable his actions.And we, the paying public,allow it!Welcome to South African rugby…so much potential but perpetual underachievers.
8 Oct 2006, 11:37 am
Maak die Bulle almal Bokke!!!
8 Oct 2006, 11:39 am
Luke makes many yards with ball in hand, but if you were to count the yards FORWARD, you’d see that he is not a ball carrier.
Luke also offers no options in the lineout. Yesterday we saw how Warren Britz did his duty as fetcher even when they were retreating. If Luke did even one thing well, I’d say we should give him a chance, but Floors is a better and quicker fetcher, Spies is a better ball carrier, Britz is better on the ground and even Wannenburg and Van Niekerk at least offer us something in the lineout. Get over it, Keo, you are alone in this little crusade.
8 Oct 2006, 11:43 am
Spies_is_king
The number on their back is irrelevant but you would certainly do better having your best fetcher on the openside of the scrum…which is 6 for SA and 7 for every other international team.
I agree tho that Spies is probably not a man I would sacrifice for a fetcher as he (so far in his short career) looks like your best ball carrier and line breaker for the future.
8 Oct 2006, 11:44 am
Gambino,
Luke Watson would not make the 3rd team of Venezuela’s special needs league.
Do you seriously think he would lift George Smith and Richie McCaw? C’mon, not even the most die-hard watermelon farming, Province supporter would join you!
8 Oct 2006, 11:46 am
Jake White may have made a few mistakes (like any other coach), but he is still the best we have and I grew in admiration when I saw how he refuses to allow a few ‘journalists’ to bully him into selecting their boy.
8 Oct 2006, 11:47 am
The day Luke Watson gets picked for the Boks is the day I’d call for Jake’s head!
8 Oct 2006, 11:49 am
Before Luke Watson gets picked, we have Floors, Britz, Van Niekerk and even Wahl Bartman (who’ll teach Puke a few things in humility)
8 Oct 2006, 11:51 am
Keo, make your agenda clear… what is behind all the smoke you’re blowing up a third rate player’s backside?
Go watch yesterday’s game again and tell me that you honestly think Luke is ready for international rugby.
8 Oct 2006, 11:53 am
Hell this year we had a month of LUKE IS KING, GODS GIFT TO SA RUGBY and now HANG LUKE , NO GOOD LUKE ,SH%T LUKE…..
Poor guy he plays his heart out, under the right coach and game plan i would rather have him in my side than against me.
8 Oct 2006, 11:54 am
Onder die BLOU van ons LOFTUS hemel,laat ons die Sharks verlang na die see. Teen ons magtige BLOU BUL vegters, kan WP nie antwoord gee. Oor ons LOFTUS VERSVELD vlaktes, bo die kreun van die Vrystaat klaag, ruis die stem van ons geliefde, van ons Span wat die Beker dra. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, ons sal Leeus tem soos jy vra. Ons is BLOU en ons is BULLE, kampioen van Suid-Afrika
8 Oct 2006, 11:54 am
Dis lekker om n Bul te wees of wat se jy superbul???
8 Oct 2006, 11:55 am
John,
Put down whatever you are smoking! It is clouding your judgement.
8 Oct 2006, 11:56 am
John
Are you JC Venter?
What the **** is Barrit being mentioned for?
8 Oct 2006, 11:58 am
Ja, BaasBlou maar het Jy vasgehaak?
8 Oct 2006, 11:59 am
I think that Kabamba is a far better option than Luke;
Kabamba is braver in the tackle.
Kabamba is smarter at the breakdown.
Kabamba is quicker off the mark
Kabamba has superior distribution skills.
Kabamba has an eye for the gap.
Kabamba does not rate Brad Pitt as his favourite actor.
Kabamba is a winner.
Kabamba does not cry about being ignored by Jake.
Kabamba takes his hits like a man.
Kabamba dishes out his hit like a man.
Kabamba has mastered 7’s skills.
Kabamda digs chicks.
Kabamba has not sucked up to Keo (hence no front cover appearance in Keo’s mag)
Kabamba does not drop the ball.
Kabamba has a CC gold medal.
Kabamba will win the CC again.
Kabamba respects his dad.
Kabamba is a hero to millions of young kids.
Kabamba plays with a smile on his face, much the same as Ronaldihno.
Kabamba is not a disruption to his team.
Kabamba respects his team mates.
Kabamba is Luke’s hero.
…. and
KABAMBA WILL PLAY FOR THE BOKS !!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:01 pm
danie rossow gaan vir kamamba boor die naweek.
8 Oct 2006, 12:02 pm
vaskaak?
HOU BY DIE BLOU
8 Oct 2006, 12:07 pm
……….
Kabamba is not a disruption to his team.
Kabamba respects his team mates.
Kabamba is Luke’s hero…..
Kabamba is going to break his neck
Kambamba is on drugs
No, please i hope i am wrong , he is too short for Jakes likeing, but there Jake is wrong we have enough lineout options we CAN use a guy like him
8 Oct 2006, 12:08 pm
kies doring danie!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:11 pm
Coming down this morning John ?
8 Oct 2006, 12:12 pm
BaasBlou,
Die Bulle kampioene? Word wakker boet. Die beker is in die Vrystaat en hy gaan daar bly.
Rassie is going to employ similar tactics in the final, expect lots of running. This will minimize the effect of the Bull’s heavy pack.
RedLion,
You forgot one thing. KABAMBA KICKS ***.
8 Oct 2006, 12:12 pm
#4 superBul
Sien jy nou! Presies waaroor ons gepraat het!
8 Oct 2006, 12:14 pm
Who is officiating the final?
8 Oct 2006, 12:16 pm
22# Dankie Generaal!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:16 pm
I like it … Kabamba has longer legs than Luke !
8 Oct 2006, 12:17 pm
What is the point of taking these guy’s on tour when there are not even any midweek games lined up for them. In all seriousness, it would be far more cost effective to have them at a coaching clinic in SA to learn about the Springbok set up.
What are these guys going to learn / do that will justify the amount of money that is going to be spent?
8 Oct 2006, 12:19 pm
No Rory Duncan or Barend Pieterse?
8 Oct 2006, 12:22 pm
HALLELUJA!!!!!!!!!!
KAPLAN IS THE REF!!!!!!!!!
No more illegal, of the ball bullying by the Bulls.
8 Oct 2006, 12:23 pm
Simeon, that’s good news
8 Oct 2006, 12:26 pm
i don’t think frans steyn is ready just yet, barrit could also do with a season or 2 before been part of the squad.
8 Oct 2006, 12:27 pm
“With Montgomery out, White can choose between Bevin Fortuin, JP Pietersen and Steyn, but it seems Johan Roets is very much in the Watson mould. Regardless of what he does, he won’t make the team.â€
We can expect Roets to be on the cover of the next SA Rugby mag, based on what Keo is saying.
8 Oct 2006, 12:28 pm
You left one of your list Redlion
Kabamba is a *******!!!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:30 pm
What’s with this article? No-one is buying it.
Watson made WP lose. Don’t come to me with “he made a few tries” or “he stole a few balls”, because he literally did EVERYTHING. He does not give their potent backline a chance to run. How many times were their backline without momentum? Luke, YOUR A FETCHER.
He can learn from Kabamba and Ryno, who does what is required of them. Nothing more, nothing less.
8 Oct 2006, 12:32 pm
It’s sad, my heart hurts. But hey , just another day and the bulls won at the end of the day , and what good players they have. Only problem , they have to work on there attitude on the field. WP will have to get decent forwards and a flyhalf.
Well sins i am in Harrismith i will have to support the Cheetha’s in the final. I think they are beter than the bulls this year. I believe they will beat the bulls at there own game.
Players that i would love to see in the EOYT is
Floors
Luke
F Steyn
G Botha
B Barritt
Spies will be there
Bevin Fortuin
8 Oct 2006, 12:33 pm
luke only wants his springbok colours to give himself more credibility as wp captain when schalk and van niekirk return to the stormers set up! imagine the irony if melck or diack(or both) get included in the squad and luke doesn’t
8 Oct 2006, 12:36 pm
guy in Dubai – en jy’s deur die kak
8 Oct 2006, 12:36 pm
42…nou praat jy!!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:39 pm
Why do people want a player like Francios Steyn at the Boks, thats not a place to go to school. Rather play Hougaart or De Waal they are not worse than Steyn and surely have played with the best.
8 Oct 2006, 12:43 pm
BaasBlou jy gooi ons naam weg man, jy is die tipe wat maak dat ons so pak kry hier. Haal jou oogklappe af man, moenie daal na die laagste vlak nie, asb. Ek is nie altyd reg nie maar beledigings pas nie a ware Blou Bul nie
8 Oct 2006, 12:43 pm
John – Judge the player not the person. Your comments smack of personal jealousy – if someone is successful in something but has an appearance that does not quite fit your expectation then that does not suddenly make him unsuccessful!!!
You might need to grow up a little – this whole sport (and blog for that matter) is about rugby and our opinions on the quality of the players!! Not the way a player looks or the distance he carries his arms from the side of his body.
Something tells me that deep down all your failures in life are hurting you badly!!!! You need to relax and enjoy life a little.
8 Oct 2006, 12:44 pm
Eks n BUL en trots daarop…NOU DIE BLOU!!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:45 pm
Cry me a f***ing rive Keo… Shame poor Puke… His decision making yesterday was PISS POOR!!! And his general game play wasn’t much better, but quite honsetly so was most of the WP teams (which was kind of sad because they showed much more pormise).
Other than the Puke think, I think Jake will have a tought time any which way he decides. Play the experiance that he knows, they get beaten, play in inexperiance they get beaten… But at the end of the day one thing remains the same… THEY GET BEATEN!!! That is wrong…
8 Oct 2006, 12:45 pm
I’m going to save my witty insults, so that you can understand.
BaasBlou,
Jou skape roep.
doos.in.dubai
Fokof.
8 Oct 2006, 12:46 pm
Se hulle JAY
HOU BY DIE BLOU!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:48 pm
Luke is n poephol!
8 Oct 2006, 12:50 pm
BaasBlou,
Jy’s nie waardig om eers die Bulle te ondersteun nie. Rassiste moet gehang word.
8 Oct 2006, 12:50 pm
Andre-WP, hello maat.
Wp se vaste vyf is hopeloos, Luke speel Diack uit die game uit en ons het nie n skakelpaar nie.
Hoe de moer kan ons Loftus toe gaan en wen?
Orraait, party ouens se nou AS dit en AS dat, dan kon WP gewen het. Feit is, die Blou span was beter gestruktureerd.
Byv., elkeen van daai plaasvervangers het gaan score binne sekondes nadat hulle opgekom het. Bolla was nog besig om die skare te koggel toe is Lobberts oor!
Luke moet die kapteinskap afgee en flank speel, net om mee te begin.
8 Oct 2006, 12:52 pm
The Bill 36
My thoughts as well. Jake now says he’s concentrating on the WC and decides (if Keo’s correct) to waste time and money on youngsters who have, hopefully, no chance of playing in the WC.
Rather take players who are ready for selection and experienced.
Neither Barrit nor Steyn are genuine contenders until at least one or better 2 S14s.
Where’s Barend Pieterse, he’s one player who should be in the mix.
It’s too late to experiment with kids who’re in their first year of senior rugby.
8 Oct 2006, 12:52 pm
Simeon ek sien jy vrees die BLOU BULLE!!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:52 pm
#48
Do you think that Keo is talking about Francois Steyn? I thought he was refering to Morne Steyn.
Keo which Steyn are you talking about? Please stop with the spin.
8 Oct 2006, 12:53 pm
Pieterman ek dink WP moet rugby afgee,dis n manne(BLOU BUL) sport
8 Oct 2006, 12:55 pm
Keo het eintlik Hougaard bedoel
8 Oct 2006, 12:56 pm
intelligent comment BaasBlou!
Spot on keo … people will make up every excuse as to why he shouldn’t be there. If they really didn’t rate him, they wouldn’t feel the need to compare or justify.
Luke is a quality player and while Spies is devastating at the moment, he is up there as on of the best in SA. But, Jake has an agenda and the bad attitude, not the players being criticised for exactly that!
8 Oct 2006, 12:56 pm
Guy in Dubai # 42
Stay there you piece of ****. ******* racist prick.
8 Oct 2006, 12:58 pm
baasblou…oh and thats why wynand and that scrummie of yours were knocked out cold! i predicted right before the game that that would happen…and so it did,pitty about the result but thats life.
wp.well done on entertaining us this year,wp for life!
8 Oct 2006, 12:59 pm
Maccie…die BEKER gaan huistoe kom, BLOU BULLAND toe!!
8 Oct 2006, 12:59 pm
guy in dubai..thats not what you were saying when you had your ex gardener’s willy in your mouth! *gulp*
8 Oct 2006, 12:59 pm
Simeon
Ek dink Ig moet bietjie kyk na guy.dubai en BaasBlou, dis nou sommer kak hierdie.
8 Oct 2006, 13:00 pm
redlion- it says francois steyn in the article and then the next paragraph it just says steyn. i assume both references refer to the same oke
8 Oct 2006, 13:00 pm
nope,its staying in bloemies boet,same result as last year….only bigger margin
8 Oct 2006, 13:00 pm
Baasblou, gaan vreet en hou op kak praat asb. Of raak groot , eenvoudig.
8 Oct 2006, 13:01 pm
Maccie sing gou saam….
Onder die BLOU van ons LOFTUS hemel,laat ons die Sharks verlang na die see. Teen ons magtige BLOU BUL vegters, kan WP nie antwoord gee. Oor ons LOFTUS VERSVELD vlaktes, bo die kreun van die Vrystaat klaag, ruis die stem van ons geliefde, van ons Span wat die Beker dra. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, ons sal Leeus tem soos jy vra. Ons is BLOU en ons is BULLE, kampioen van Suid-Afrika!!!!!!!! BAIE GELUK BULLE! PIERRE SPIES JY IS ‘N KLAS BO DIE ANDER!!!!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:01 pm
..en aan alle WP outjies,sing saam.
8 Oct 2006, 13:02 pm
Pieterman,wat bedoel jy?
8 Oct 2006, 13:02 pm
Luister BaasBlou en luister nou mooi:
FOKKOF! En vat daai ander sandkruiper van Dubai saam met jou.
Julle twee hoort nie hier nie.
8 Oct 2006, 13:03 pm
kir – thanks I think you are right there.
8 Oct 2006, 13:03 pm
WP played badly , but i think we will be stronger next year if we get beter forwards and bolla is out. Nothing wrong with Luke, he played consistent rugby this year. The bulls will not take the cc home this year. Sorry guys , cheetha’s will be to good for you at home.
8 Oct 2006, 13:04 pm
Baas Blou
You have to sing that song in Tswane and not Pretoria now. How does it feel???
8 Oct 2006, 13:04 pm
Pieterman..al wat ek gister kon sien is die BLOU MASJIEN!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:04 pm
andre,you gotta agree bro,wp were entertaining this year(they lost…so what!)
they are a team full of laaities(3 20 year olds)
give them time and in 2 years they will be unbeatable.
2 years is prehaps the same time it will take for wynand and bulls scrummie to coming out of semi conciousness,werner and bolla,mooi gedaan
8 Oct 2006, 13:05 pm
pieterman, ek stem 100%
8 Oct 2006, 13:05 pm
Pieterman
WP hoort nie in rugby nie!!Nou die BLOU
8 Oct 2006, 13:06 pm
Jinx..jy bedoel seker BLOU BULLAND!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:06 pm
well said jinxie,se hulle!
so they leave moftus and trek to bloemies..diff venue same result as last year.
wanne see what size ollie will whipp out of his pocket this time!?
8 Oct 2006, 13:06 pm
kir
Talk about a misleading headline. The heads about Steyn but the article is about Luke with a passing reference to Steyn may go as a utility player.
Why Barrit should be preferred over Meyer Bosman is a bloody mystery. Bosman, at least, has the option of covering 10 as well as 12 and is a recognised kicker. Besides we have two 12s already unless Jake wants to experiment with JdeV at 10.
8 Oct 2006, 13:07 pm
The hardest thing about really being passionate about rugby is that you have to come to these sites and deal with complete idiots amongst the guys that really do write about rugby!
BaasBlou, sad thing is, your **** song could probably be a best seller amongst the neanderthals that support the Bulls
8 Oct 2006, 13:07 pm
Hello Jinx
**** some guys!! They think because they call them some shade of Blue, that makes them part of yesterday’s showdown.
I am not talking about you supaBull or GWB, but about this other mofo and his desert friend.
8 Oct 2006, 13:08 pm
What happened to Meyer Bosman – he is a better option for a utility back at this point than Francois Steyn.
8 Oct 2006, 13:08 pm
Al wat ek sien is B L O U !!!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:08 pm
Thank god he’s only here on weekends
8 Oct 2006, 13:09 pm
#80 macdaddy, good point about Province playing good rugby. If you speak to any Spanish football supporter, they’ll tell you they were more than happy to be knocked out of the World Cup whilst playing good football. They all say they’d rather play well and lose than play **** and win (like England in the group stages)
8 Oct 2006, 13:10 pm
BaasBlou
Your attitude makes the rest of the country who don’t support the Bulls shout even louder for the Cheetahs this weekend. You have no self respect. If you can’t be gracious in victory then you will be humbled in defeat this coming Saturday in Bloem. Sies jy’s vuil.
8 Oct 2006, 13:10 pm
macdaddy het jy al die eerbare ding gedoen en ons om verskoning gevra?
Hoe voel dit toe om n deur n BUL geram te word.
Vra maar net ek gaan nie in so n gesprek met jou betrokke raak nie maar jy en jou maatjies was vieslik.
8 Oct 2006, 13:10 pm
Andre, lekker verloor gister ne!!!
BLOU,BLOU,BLOU
8 Oct 2006, 13:11 pm
david- i agree, i think the headline was just to provoke a response because francois had a shocker yesterday. the kid is talented and will be a bok but i’d wait till maybe 2008 before putting him in a bok squad. i agree that bosman should be ahead of barrit at this stage
8 Oct 2006, 13:12 pm
Jis super…cheetahs gaan kak die naweek,pal!
8 Oct 2006, 13:12 pm
Keo, please post a Lions thread … we are going to play and win the Bulls this Saturday in the final.
GO LIONS u21′s !!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:12 pm
Easy kevin w – don’t generalise mate. RedLion, i’ve always said that if you give Meyer Bosman enough time at 12, he’ll be brilliant. Much like the All Blacks use Aaron Mauger on 12
8 Oct 2006, 13:12 pm
Barrit is a lemming. Ask David.
8 Oct 2006, 13:13 pm
superBul
Jy is nie saam met BlouBlaas nie, is jy?
8 Oct 2006, 13:13 pm
Will Jake realy take youngsters with him ? what about the guys that’s been there but never got time to play ? don’t think he will. If he does it will come as a suprise.
8 Oct 2006, 13:14 pm
G afternoon KIR – what’s your opinion on both games yesterday bud?
8 Oct 2006, 13:14 pm
sure thing andre but wp have the forwards to do the bizz.
brok(tighthead) is only 20,now if i recall a prop ONLY matures his playing pedigree in his late 20′s so give the youngster some time.
bolla….mmm abit of a hot head at times but you need that in a team.look at wp of 97 with small,the original hell raiser,probab the best wp side for many years,was were youth and experience was blended to form a solid unit.
wp’s playing style is high risk but the benefits far out weigh the negs bro.van der merwe at lock is a must for the future,would rather have partnered hi with gerrie in the engine room and given melck or the other van der merwe a start at flank but hey thats history.
kobus and the coaching staff will have to learn from there mistakes and luke aint in the boks for the touring party at year end….big wank!
who cares,the oke is the master of his own destiny and still at the age of only 22 has alot to learn.
8 Oct 2006, 13:14 pm
Still trying your best to justify Watson, het Keo?
Forget it, he was the best flyhalf yesterday.
8 Oct 2006, 13:15 pm
baas(96) ja…op jou gesigie ou skaap!
8 Oct 2006, 13:16 pm
supaBull #93
Daar stem ek saam, mac het my ook skaam gehad, veral met sy stories oor GBS se ma.
8 Oct 2006, 13:16 pm
GWB, is dit jou 100% eerlike opinie oor Luke?
8 Oct 2006, 13:17 pm
GWB
Liefling was die beste losskakel gister!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:18 pm
My opinie oor Luke…Danie Rossow is SY BAAS!
Nou Die Blou Masjien!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:19 pm
thehef- both games were 1 way traffic. i was very disappointed with the sharks and i thought 30-14 actually flattered them cos the cheetahs could have won by a lot more if they took their chances better. i think the ref was a little unfair on the sharks in the first half but it wouldn’t have changed the result
8 Oct 2006, 13:19 pm
super(93) what? say sorry to you..nope.you are no concern of mine chump.
had a good lag with my bulls choms yesterday though,until some windgat bulls supporter started running his mouth off.
so…i did the gentlemanly thing and took him aside,told him to behave himself and gave him a hiding,net soe.
the evening carried on with a few more beers and more laughter.
8 Oct 2006, 13:20 pm
Pieterman gaan speel met jou totterman…hahahaha,Nou die Blou!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:21 pm
Pieterman nee ek is beslis nie saam met Baasblou nie en die site raak nou weer besoedel, ek het dit baie geniet om met jou te gesels vanmore. Ek gaan nou maar bietjie weg beweeg van die geselsery.
Net weereens ons skree vir verskillende spanne maar het lekker RUGBY met jou gepraat, Dankie, praat later.
8 Oct 2006, 13:21 pm
Mac..jy kan bly wees ek was nie daar nie..sou jou opgedonner het!!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:22 pm
the ref was ok,no blunders as has been common place juring the season but mistakes and youthful exuburance was wp’s downfall.
8 Oct 2006, 13:23 pm
Kan ons maar ooreenkom om vir BaasBlou te ignoreer?
8 Oct 2006, 13:23 pm
thehef
I watched with two Bulls supporters yesterday and no insults were hurled at each other, so I’m not generalising. Just some real twats on this site that add nothing constructive.
8 Oct 2006, 13:23 pm
Ek gaan jou downfall wees,maccie!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:23 pm
wie dink jy is jy hef???
8 Oct 2006, 13:24 pm
Moet inelkgeval gaan,cheers al my BLOUBUL maters,ons praat gou weer,leeker site die wat keo hier het…hou so aan!!
HOU BY DIE BLOU!!!!
8 Oct 2006, 13:25 pm
baas,sure have heard that one before.you are full of chops like GBS.
you are an embarrassment to the bulls supporter base.
8 Oct 2006, 13:25 pm
BaasBlou hou jou bek en kry klaar met die skoonmaak van Loftus se toilette.
8 Oct 2006, 13:27 pm
kev…and you seem to be one of them!
be constructive boet…twat? up your game kev asseblief.
8 Oct 2006, 13:28 pm
sure hef..lets ignore the boy.
8 Oct 2006, 13:28 pm
*42 Guy in Dubai
You F***ING IDIOT…
I played with Kabamba and he is one of the
most decent guys around….
Don’t be a an Idiot….
YOU WANKER…
8 Oct 2006, 13:30 pm
KIR, pieterman – goeie dag vir julle. Dis sleg as mens probeer sense praat en daar is mense soos BaasBlou ens wat dit ruineer, maar dis seker een van daardie dinge van ‘n blog, of hoe?
8 Oct 2006, 13:30 pm
ig…me thinks this baas ou is that cj seuntjie from the other day!
8 Oct 2006, 13:30 pm
Cheers macd – have a good day mate.
8 Oct 2006, 13:30 pm
qc- do u play provincial rugga?
8 Oct 2006, 13:31 pm
macdaddy
the “youthfull exhuberance” has seemed more like a lack of direction and panic under pressure.
A team this young desperately needs an older, more experienced captain. One of the problems with youth is that it doesn’t know what it doesn’t know.
To rely on that direction from a precocious 22 year old is asking too much when pitted against genuine maturity and experience.
8 Oct 2006, 13:32 pm
OMW..have any of you okes read the latest noseweek?
theres that website in created by ex pats! jeez umm have a couple of dops before reading the article though,its hardcore stuff
8 Oct 2006, 13:32 pm
macdaddy- i scheme john is that cj oke. maybe they both are
8 Oct 2006, 13:36 pm
david…i couldnt agree with you more but luke is the answer as cappie! who else do they have? besides he has managed to do what de wet,de kock and schalla failed to prior to his efforts,his has been able to get the guys to think for themselves.
granted they are young and still have alot to learn the only learning they will get is out on the paddock.
i hear brent and carlos spencer are on there way to the cape.with brits back for next year and possibly that monster kid…stephan hamman waiting in the wings..wp rugga looks very rosy mate.
paul dleport can come in for bolla and the fijian bomber can stay where he is.
8 Oct 2006, 13:36 pm
baasblou,
Jy is besig om n ****** verleentheid te raak vir ons Bulle.
thehef,
ja, dis my opinie oor lulu. hy het talent,maar moet leer om sy bek te hou, sy werk as flank te doen en deel van n span te word.
8 Oct 2006, 13:37 pm
kir
I’m certain of it. The same boring prejudices and language. Is he using a different name due to banning or do you think his daddy recognised his real name and told him not to embarrass the family name with his drivel?
8 Oct 2006, 13:37 pm
howzit keepin…so what you think of cheetahs doing the double on the moftus crew?
8 Oct 2006, 13:37 pm
macbroodkop,
praat met my.
ek luister graag!
8 Oct 2006, 13:39 pm
HAHA classic dave,well said! (135)
8 Oct 2006, 13:39 pm
Vergeet van die Staat, waar is jou span?
8 Oct 2006, 13:41 pm
sure GWB,what would you like to know?
8 Oct 2006, 13:41 pm
macdaddy
I disagree about getting the guys to think for themselves. Luke seems to want to do their thinking for them and is disrupting their natural game.
Very little happens unless Luke starts it. This doesn’t mean that I don’t rate Luke as an opensider. I think he’s the best we’ve got who’s role as captain is beginning to affect his game as a flanker and those around him.
8 Oct 2006, 13:42 pm
macdaddy,
“otherwise you going to do the gentlemanly thing and give me a hiding”
I guess I just get frustrated when every second comment is “luke is ***” or “Bulle is Baas”. Majority of the posts are not even about rugby, but rather insults. Maybe i just expect more from rugby supporters in SA>
8 Oct 2006, 13:43 pm
can you imagine rassie doing his dikso number again with hellas gooing mc stlye on the mic.
the poor cheetahs have come so close over the years but no cigar,could this be the starting of a bountious crop of cup victories?
8 Oct 2006, 13:43 pm
Cheers thehef
Ons praat maar later, wanneer die moegoes weg is.
8 Oct 2006, 13:43 pm
136- it is anyone’s game. i don’t think u can objectively say there is a clear favourite
8 Oct 2006, 13:46 pm
OK superBull
Ons praat more ou mater, as die ander maters by is.
8 Oct 2006, 13:46 pm
kev….not giving anyone any hidings today or hopefully for days and weeks to come but when you(i) are enjoying a few jugs with the lads and you get homophobic trollop shoved down your throat you can’t let it lie bro.
sure its alittle upseting but all the anti wattie comments but look at it this way,they ALL seem him as a threat,plain and simple.
he is still only 22 and has been playing in the bog league for 4 years now.give him time.jan pickards grandson is also a real talent…fran van der merwe!
8 Oct 2006, 13:47 pm
Ja, macbroodkop.
Jou bek was groot verlede week oor hoe kak Danie R is, hoe overrated Spies is en hoe goed watson is.
Watson was jul swakste skakel in die span gister.
8 Oct 2006, 13:47 pm
macdaddy 143
LOL! That’s a classic image!
8 Oct 2006, 13:49 pm
David,
n classic image was toe Spies oor Lulu gehardloop het.
Soos Delport oor greeff gehardloop het.
en Roets oor Aplon gehadrloop het.
8 Oct 2006, 13:50 pm
sure thing dave but it aint no disruption,all the wp ous speak highly of him and if anyone believes what they read in the press well then ther is no hope.
you have too allow everyone to embrace his individual talents otherwise you get 15 robots on the field.look at the skinstad era in the cape….sublime rugga.thats what we wanna see in schlaapstad.
8 Oct 2006, 13:51 pm
GWB
Moenie bekommer oor BlouBlaas, ons het sy soort ook, soos jy weet.
Al die rugbymaters, dankie vir die naweek, ons vang mekaar later.
Cheers Jinxie and Dave…some other day…
8 Oct 2006, 13:53 pm
gwb…en hoe greef wynand doed getackle…en hoe bolla dai scrummie doed getackle het.
i also remember aplon nailed jp nil head on to save a certain try.
8 Oct 2006, 13:56 pm
(148) GWB..you keep on praating oor wattie ou skaap,do you want to have *** with the guy?
he was actually one of wp’s better players but would never last in the moftus set up because he aint no yes man.he speaks his mind and we dig that in the cape.
8 Oct 2006, 13:56 pm
maar dit was nie genoeg nie, macbroodkops.
soos verlede jaar.
en volgende jaar….
8 Oct 2006, 13:56 pm
macdaddy
I was going on personal observations not the press.
Have you noticed that Diacks game has deteriorated in direct proportion to Lukes expanded playmaker role over the last few games.
I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
8 Oct 2006, 13:58 pm
Luke will make the team.
Barrit and JP has shown absolutely nothing to suggest that they should be selected.
In Wynand and Jean (who had precious little game time this year through injury) we have enough cover at 12.
Preotius (Jaco) is a fair call to give MOssie a rest.
JP Pietersen has never impressed me – it is time to give Fortuin and Roets a go.
Steyn…
Not too sure, seeing our depth at flyhalf I might consider him, but then again, Bosman is back (10 & 12 cover) and if you use consistency as a guideline, then De Waal and Hougaard (cant believe I said that) must surely be considered.
Hougaard is still very young, and has played well lately.
I am no big fan of De Waal, in fact, I still believe in some way he is only a good CC player.
But if you bring up a consistency argument to include the likes of Luke and Co, then surely Pietersen must be dropped and guys that have performed in the CC given a chance – and with that, not guys that ‘show promise’ but dont deliver.
On the by and by, congrats to the Bully boys, your team with that of the Cheetahs most definately looks a class above the rest, it will be a cracking final.
8 Oct 2006, 13:58 pm
why cant wp be different,thats all the moftus crowd seem to talk about in these blog.
we respect good talent up north too…spies and and and mm who else? NOT roets,please no.not even danie.bakkies,yes and matfield ook.
8 Oct 2006, 13:58 pm
i think jp pieterson got some unfair criticsm. i thought he linked up well with russell yesterday and those 2 were the best sharks backs on the field, which doesn’t say much for how the backline played cos both have played better
8 Oct 2006, 13:59 pm
This is my team of 30 for the eoyt only this is not my RWC team. I have left out a lot of players because they do not fit into my plans, so please no Luke posters.
Head Coach – JW
Assistant Coaches – Loffie, ****, Rassie
Team Manager – Doctor Khumalo
Spin Doctor – Keo
1 Heinke vd Merwe, Engels
2 G Botha (vc), Chilli boy
3 BJ Botha, J Du Plessis, Sephaka
4 F van Der Merwe, D Rossouw
5 B Pieterse, Van Schouwenburg
6 Baywatch, Kabamba, Ryno vd Merwe
7 Wikus (c), J Smith
8 Spies, J v Niekerk
9 Ricky, Pienaar, FdP
10 Petoors, Bosman
12 JdV, Olivier
13 J Fourie, Jaco Petoors
14 Ndungane, Passens
11 Habana
15 Fortuin
8 Oct 2006, 14:00 pm
macbroodkop,
Nee, Bolla sal dit nie toelaat nie.
Kyk wat sê david hierbo. Ek stem saam met hom.
Watson will almal se werk doen, ipv sy eie.
Hoeveel losballe het hy gesteel gister?
Nie n enkele een nie.
en dit teen Dinorossouw?
8 Oct 2006, 14:02 pm
dave i know,diack started the season full throtal and has dwindled,they should have given fran van der merwe a go,the guy looks like he has the goods.
wp just need to give all these youngsters a chance,thats all.
gerrie and van der merwe are a good combo in the engine room.melck,wattie and either diack or fran van der merwe at the back.brits,brock and jd in the front row and let they grow as a unit….for goodness sake.
8 Oct 2006, 14:03 pm
I read some posts on Diack.
Just as an aside, guys for your info, Diack’s dad is really ill reportedly, in fact, his break last week was apparently more due to this fact than the reported tummy bug
8 Oct 2006, 14:05 pm
pa 153
Did you write that or did I, LOL. You stated my sentiments exactly from an earlier post.
Clinton vd Bergh in the Sunday Times stated that Barrit cannot be ignored. It’s easy. The Cheetahs and Bulls managed it without raising a sweat.
8 Oct 2006, 14:05 pm
redlion- u chose 31 players. u should drop 2 loosies from that squad (5 is enough) and add a player to your back 3. otherwise thats not a bad team
8 Oct 2006, 14:07 pm
**** White het klaar sy club med-span gekies wat sal toer in November.JW het een goeie besluit gemaak in drie jaar,Spies!!!
8 Oct 2006, 14:07 pm
Hehehe,
Sorry David, I just plunged into this thread after readin Keo’s piece, but it wont be the first time we agree on something
8 Oct 2006, 14:08 pm
red Lion
Not a bad choice except for Baywatch and Wickus. I really appreciate your sense of humour.
8 Oct 2006, 14:09 pm
I tell you what though, after watching Spies closely for the last month or so, and hearing him speak, I believe this boy is our captain for the future.
I said it about 4 months ago, last time I was this excited about a player, was in Bob Skinstad’s time.
Heyneke called it in the start of the season, and man has his call been vindicated!
8 Oct 2006, 14:09 pm
A deal is deal.
8 Oct 2006, 14:09 pm
Hello rugby buddies,
I was at Loftus yesterday….
Only able to function coherently now….
All I can say is:
Dis lekker om ‘n Bul te wees!
8 Oct 2006, 14:10 pm
Hey daar Groot.
8 Oct 2006, 14:11 pm
skim- nice to keep yr side of the deal, i think it would have been funnier if gbs had 2 change his nick because he is more conservative with that type of thing
8 Oct 2006, 14:11 pm
Hey Skimmie,
Thanks for the nick change bud…..like you said, a deal is a deal….for the whole week, nê!
8 Oct 2006, 14:13 pm
ja, ek weet.
My span het my lelik in die steek gelaat.
8 Oct 2006, 14:13 pm
pa
I was more interested in how your logic followed mine.
Didn’t realise about Diack. I’ve just lost my mother and understand how distracted it leaves you.
If that’s the case it would have been kinder to have left him out and played Francois Louw as Macdaddy suggested.
8 Oct 2006, 14:14 pm
LOL vir Skim en gbs… Skim, RESPECT for taking it like a man.
8 Oct 2006, 14:15 pm
Yes guys , what good rugby we had ysterday. So sorry for WP and the Sharks. What’s with the sharks ? can’t believe they played so bad. So there’s only two teams left hey.
Who’s going to make it this year ? If i have to look back at the year, i think the Cheetha’s will take it again. Not that i have anything against the bulls , but the cheetha’s been the best team this year.
8 Oct 2006, 14:15 pm
Skim,
Ek gaan nou eers die game op TV kyk, het dit opgeneem, maar nog nie op TV gesien nie, want ek was mos op Fort Loftus!
Ek en Steyn & Madeleintjie het saam gebraai en saam gesit en rugby kyk.
Dit was ‘n mooooosa game, freekin lekker atmosfeer…alles!
Ja, jou span het jou lêlik in die steek gelaat!
8 Oct 2006, 14:16 pm
Wp het die game al verloor voor die afskop.
Ons koppe was nie reg nie.
8 Oct 2006, 14:17 pm
pa
What have you got against Spies? I wouldn’t wish the Bok captaincy on anyone!
I really hope that Jake persists with him at 8. His talents are wasted at 6 and Jake must stop looking for a clone to replace Schalk.
8 Oct 2006, 14:18 pm
Andre, Ek stem nie saam nie.
Ons het die FS 2 keer hierdie jaar oortuigend geklop en sal hulle ook nie weer onderskat nie.
8 Oct 2006, 14:19 pm
Skimmie,
Jou koppie was nog nooit reg nie!!!
Heheehhehehe
PS: Ek joke net!
8 Oct 2006, 14:19 pm
Hallo GBS!
8 Oct 2006, 14:19 pm
Zinto’s eoyt 30:
1. Heinke van der Merwe/Laurence Sephaka
2. John Smit/Chilliboy Rallepele
3. BJ Botha/Jannie du Plessis
4. Francois van der Merwe/Barend Pietersen
5. Selborne Boome/Gerrie Brits
6. Kabamba Floors/Luke Watson
7. Juan Smith/AJ Venter
8. Pierre Spies/Joe van Niekerk
9. Bolla Conradie/Fourie du Preez
10. Andre Pretorius/Willem de Waal
11. Jongi Nokwe/Luis Ludic
12. Jean de Villiers/Brad Barrit
13. Jaques Fourie/Jaco Pretorius
14. Brain Habana/ Gio Aplon
15. Bevin Fortuin/JP Pietersen
8 Oct 2006, 14:20 pm
David,
You ask me, I would play Spies at 7, Juan at 8.
To complete the most lethal trio in world rugby, a fit Schalla making up the numbers, would destroy anything in their path.
Man it is mouth-watering!!!
8 Oct 2006, 14:20 pm
Hello Blou broer!!
Dis lekker om ‘n bul te wees!!
8 Oct 2006, 14:21 pm
Stan sê vanoggend vir my dat die heel lekkerste van gister se oorwinning is dat hy weet dat Keo en sy kneg Ig albei WP ondersteuners is !
Bwahahaahhhhhhhaaaaaaa!
8 Oct 2006, 14:22 pm
What have you got in Spies?
Andre Venter, Bob Skinstad, Tiaan Strauss, and the brain and leadership possibility of Teich’s.
I am really impressed with this kid.
8 Oct 2006, 14:23 pm
Ja, hierdie week gaan hulle seker net ‘n klomp kak threads opsit waarin WP moan, die ref blameer ens….
En ‘n paar pro Cheat-us threads opsit…
8 Oct 2006, 14:24 pm
PA,
and humility, while he knows he is good. How many MOM awards this year.
If Lulu learns that trait, he might become something.
8 Oct 2006, 14:25 pm
Die mooiste was toe Spies oor Lulu gehardloop het…
8 Oct 2006, 14:26 pm
pa
I’ve also wondered about that combination and it is a great option. If Schalks not fit it should be Floors/Watson. Both bring something different but wouldn’t upset the balance.
I’ve never been convinced about our loose trio combination. Even with Schalk they seemed to play more as 3 individuals than a unit.
Schalk was often criticised for isolating himself but where was his 7 or 8 support that should have been on his shoulder?
8 Oct 2006, 14:26 pm
en toe Roets die bal uit Pigmee Aplon se hande gevat het.
8 Oct 2006, 14:30 pm
Ek sien ons het darem hier ‘n paar manmoedige WP manne wat krediet gee, en hul pak soos manne vat……maar wil elkeen van daai wilde woeste WP outjies wat so grootbek was voor Sat persoonlik aanspreek, beginnende by Macfucktup, wat gesê het dat ons almal lang trane gaan huil en dat hulle nog die Pretoria meisies ook gaan doen!
Hulle is stert tussen die bene huis toe, soos ons geweet het gaan gebeur!
Selfde geld Martin, Spokie, WP-Man, WP_Boytjie, Logie, Twig, Bester…….
8 Oct 2006, 14:32 pm
Chose a young squad with some old heads.
1.Visgagie
2.Gary Botha
3.Sephaka
4.Francois van der Merwe
5.Danie Rossouw
6.Luke Watson
7.Juan Smith
8.Pierre Spies
9.Ruan Pienaar
10.Petoors
11.Egon Seconds
12.Bradley Barrit
13.Jaco Pretoruis
14.Breyton Paulse
15.Johan Roets
16.Bismarck Du Plessis
17.BJ Botha
18.Andries Bekker
19.Kabamba Floors
20.Janno Vermaak
21.Brent Russel
22.Butch James
Jannie Du plessis
Chilliboy
Gerrie Brits
Hilton Lobberts
Fourie Du Preez
Akona Ndugane
Wynand Olivier
JP Pietersen
8 Oct 2006, 14:33 pm
PA,
Whassup? Have you read comment 42? Disgraceful
My WC team
1. Os
2. Gary/Richard Struass
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Bakkies
5. Matfield/Pieterse
6. Kabamba (Burger will most probably not play rugby again)
7. Spies
8. Van der Merwe/AJ
9. Ruan
10. AP
11. Philip Burger
12. Jean de Villiers
13. Jaco Pretorius
14. Habana(if he’s still out of form, perhaps Passens.
15. Fortuin
8 Oct 2006, 14:33 pm
Afternoon GBS
Your team would have lost without your loyal support!
Still suffering?
Well done to your guys. I doubt if any WP supporters question the fact that the Bulls deserved the win.
8 Oct 2006, 14:33 pm
skim- egon can’t even make the wp side?
8 Oct 2006, 14:34 pm
Manne ek moet my vuur begin!
Nice Sunday with rain on the way it seems, lovely!
And WP seems to be winning something in the cricket in Bloem which I will enjoy as much as I enjoy a cold one, catch you all later.
8 Oct 2006, 14:35 pm
Egon is the most underrated player in SA.
He is a try scoring machine! I mean 69 in 76 matches?
That’s one hell of a record!
Plus, he has good defense, good hands and a lot of experience.
8 Oct 2006, 14:36 pm
Just saw it now Simeon, no worries, he will be banned for that I can promise you.
Well done on your team and an awesome display yesterday btw, catch you guys later.
8 Oct 2006, 14:36 pm
Skim,
Spot on wrt Egon, okay now I am really gone
8 Oct 2006, 14:37 pm
Simeon you idiot!
Phillip Burger?
AJ?
van der merwe?
Pieterse instead of Matfield?
You had too much boerewors rolls yesterday.
8 Oct 2006, 14:37 pm
David,
I was at Loftus yesterday….only managed to pluck up the courage to surface an hour ago!!
It’s goooooooood to be a Bull!
8 Oct 2006, 14:38 pm
not sure steyn or barrit need selection, but jaco pretorius and johan roedts would be good selections.
bakkies will be missed more than matfield on the NH tour, but the most difficult to replace is Os. Agree that a hardy tight 5 is needed. I’d pick Ackerman and Rossouw for the 1st test with Muller as backup.
BJ Botha is a must at TH and will make a big difference to the bok scrum at twickenham. We need a grizzled prop to replace OS, but there are none, CJ should train at LH, his build and natural strength seem better suited to this position.
Finally if we are too test combinations, Gary Botha should be selected ahead of Smit who can be on the bench as cover for the frontrow.
Tight 5 for EOY tour
1. CJ 2. Botha 3. BJ
4. Ackerman 5. Rossouw
Bench: Muller, Smit
8 Oct 2006, 14:39 pm
PLEASE dont pick Francois Steyn!
He had one good game against WP but then he sucked consistently.
8 Oct 2006, 14:39 pm
Ek gaan nou ‘n regmakertjie drink, dan die getape’de game kyk….om weer lekker te kry!
Oor en uit vir nou!
8 Oct 2006, 14:40 pm
As groot gaan gaan ek ook.
Eks net hier vir sy plesier.
8 Oct 2006, 14:41 pm
and the young backrow forward from WP to be selected should be Diack not Watson.
8 Oct 2006, 14:42 pm
Skim,
Ek soek jou gereeld op die blog hierdie week, pella!
8 Oct 2006, 14:42 pm
En n GROOT BLOU hello aan my BlOU BROERS!
8 Oct 2006, 14:43 pm
Cab
I think Ackerman might be one season to far next year. I’d rather opt for Pieterse.
Interesting that nobody has mentioned big Albert considering Jakes insistance that he’s the like for like replacement for Matfield.
8 Oct 2006, 14:43 pm
NOU DIE BLOU MASJIEN!
8 Oct 2006, 14:44 pm
Groot,
ek sit ok met n “ietsie”
8 Oct 2006, 14:44 pm
Dis reg so Groot.
8 Oct 2006, 14:47 pm
Ek sal baie kom.
8 Oct 2006, 14:51 pm
Cheers van my kant af ook my BLOU BROERS!
8 Oct 2006, 14:51 pm
Rossouw is hands down the best forward in S.A. and he should play on the blindside for south africa!
8 Oct 2006, 14:52 pm
Skim,
Philip Burger – Face it, even if he has an attitude he has electric pace, a good kicking boot and
he is not selfish. 14 tries in the CC and he has started in 4 games.
I did not say Barend should be ahead of Matfield, he must be his back-up.
AJ and Ryno – Both work like donkeys for their team and have leadership qualities. Discipline good.
I would not tell people their an idiot with a nick like that. Your team stinks, no they reek.
8 Oct 2006, 14:53 pm
piennar- there is nothing wrong with rossouw’s eyesight!
8 Oct 2006, 14:58 pm
Skuim,
Sephaka?
Danie Rossouw?
Luke Watson?
Egon Thirds?
Roets?
8 Oct 2006, 15:06 pm
David,
ja might be spot on, was wondering the same thing, not the same player he was last year, Pieterse is perhaps the way forward, leading SA lineout oke in the S12/S14 for 2 successive seasons. Need some determined controlled aggro up there. Perhaps a Rossouw/Muller combo is ok?
8 Oct 2006, 15:16 pm
I’m tired of people like Skim mking bullshit comments without backing them up. Here area few FACTS.
Barend Pieterse – leading lock for SA teams for 2 years in Super rugby.
Philip Burger – leading try scorer with 4 starts in the whole season.
Rayno vd Merwe – he puts his body on the line in every game for his province. None of Luke’s agro. We need more of his sort.
Go stick THAT up your arse.
8 Oct 2006, 15:37 pm
Jake you are an *******. Pick Luke and swallow your pride (that is if you have any left).
Also there is no problem at lock, pick Johan Ackerman.
Thank God we are leaving Steady Eddie behind.
8 Oct 2006, 15:45 pm
And give Luke a break, he had an off day but is still miles ahead of any other fetcher we have in this country (Schalk Burger excluded).
A combination of Luke, Big Joe (or AJ Venter) and and Spies sounds good to me.
8 Oct 2006, 16:19 pm
226- in the super 14 when the bulls hammered the stormers jake asked where were luke and brits when the stormers really needed them. the springboks need guys who are goin to stand up and be counted against nz and france next year. not okes who can only put in big performances against the lesser teams like italy and canada
8 Oct 2006, 16:51 pm
Ek gee nie flenter om of Jake White Watson kies of nie,sal laasgenoemde verkies..hy beteken baie vir ons by WP.Hy het gister n lelike blaps gemaak wat op n direkte drie uitgeloop het,maar onthou hy’s nog net n snuiter van 22 wat n bloedjong span uitstekend lei!!
Ek dink nie dis per toeval dat so n klomp jong laaities met soveel selfvertroue speel nie,hul kaptein se vertroue en spel smeer af aan hulle.
Ja ons het nie gister gewen nie en as is verbrande hout, maar so seker as wat die Bokke gaan klippe kou op die jaar einde toer(jammer om dit te se)so se ek nou hou hierdie span dop!
Die Bulle was so paar jaar terug die “laughing stock” van SA rugby met n klomp palukas en kyk hoe speel daai selfde palukas vandag!
Jy kon sien die Bulle het gister gespeel soos n span wat die beker wil terug he,met daai drie van Hottie het die hele pak soos een man agter hom aangehardloop reg om n aangee aan te vat, as stutte,slotte so hardloop moet jy weet hul is op n missie…
Net so het die Cheetahs gewys die Bulle gaan nie net sommer Bloem toe gaan om die beker te gaan haal nie..
Luke en sy troepe,soos Mcdaddy se: Thx boys,jul het my ure se rugby genot die seisoen verskaf,ek sien met groot afwagting uit na 2007!!
ps:pieterman,jinx…
my ritueel het toe nie gehelp nie, dalk werk dit nie vir semi’s nie want dit het indie ander 2 games gehelp…
8 Oct 2006, 16:53 pm
Wie’s die baasblou hier op die blog…sjoe wat n idioot!!
8 Oct 2006, 17:25 pm
Ok here I am, tail between legs…
Well played Bulls, you guys certainly deserved your win. To all the Bulls fans, well done boys, your team was fantastic on the day.
We made too many silly mistakes and you capitalised on every single one of them.
Muskadel, excellent post 228. I agree completely, we have had a great season and did so much better than I ever thought possible.
Province, thanks for the entertainment and here`s to the Cup in 2007!
Lastly, go the states!!!
8 Oct 2006, 17:36 pm
Some very bitter people on the blog today.
Congrats to all my fellow Bulls supporters, it was a convincing win.
8 Oct 2006, 18:04 pm
Congratulations to the Bulls and Cheetahs.
Staying with the headline article, I would like to see Keo’s probable touring squad before next Wednesday.
On the assumption that not too many of the Bulls and Cheetahs members will get added to the Bok squad. Agreed, but then why should they be?
All we saw from the semis, was that Muir and van der Merwe are as unsettled in their selections and game plans as the Cheetahs and Bulls are committed to theirs. Muir, in particular, has flattered to deceive this year.
All of the 3 runners up, WP, Sharks and Lions can provide a strong ‘mid week’ squad that would contain most of the exciting youngsters as well as the ill used and under valued more experienced players. Unfortunately we still need that strong forward platform together with stable decision makers that can influence the game so the CC final and the Bok squads will provide these players from the Bulls and Cheetahs camps.
Mostly what can be learnt from this season is that strength versus strength is the only way to go. Outside of this, we will stay amongst the also rans of world rugby until we use squad capping and a draft system amongst the top eight teams.
8 Oct 2006, 18:14 pm
yes sarky, agree with your assessment of the CC and strength-v-strength.
Muir’s youngsters have flattered to deceive a bit, but the side that has really come online is the Lions with: Ernst Joubert (Ig spot on here), Heinke Van der Merwe, Jaco Pretorius, and Ludik all looking good.
8 Oct 2006, 18:35 pm
Vrystaaaat VIVA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kalfsvleis wat wag die naweek…
8 Oct 2006, 18:39 pm
the new men are exiting but look at Gary Bothas comeback, inactive at Jakes camp ,was seriously injured, and then the comeback. a Must for England.
Derick Hougaart is as good as anyone of Francios Steyn , WdWaal… and has experience whats it with Jake to take greenhorns on nicely paid holidays?
Pedrie is another stalward who must prove himself over and over again, so is Wickus leave the youngsters to mature, they are not superhuman players, they dont run on air they are just unknown thats why they surprize the opponents for a while. The moment videos is studied by thier opponents they counter them with ease because of thier lack of experience.
8 Oct 2006, 18:40 pm
“Watson, consistently, has been the best open-side flanker in the country, through the Super 14 and the Currie Cup.” A bold statement indeed.
8 Oct 2006, 18:47 pm
Jake must get serious about the England games, we need to beat them properly , i am serious we MUST beat them.
Look at our record
24 Oct 1999 Win: 44-21 Stade de France, Paris
17 Jun 2000 Win: 18-13 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
24 Jun 2000 Lose: 22-27 Free State Stadium,
02 Dec 2000 Lose: 17-25 Twickenham, London
24 Nov 2001 Lose: 9-29 Twickenham, London
23 Nov 2002 Lose: 3-53 Twickenham, London
18 Oct 2003 Lose: 6-25 Subiaco Oval, Perth
20 Nov 2004 Lose: 16-32 Twickenham, London
We cant go to the world cup with a worse record than the above , last win in 2000.
8 Oct 2006, 18:48 pm
Worst even , look at the scores in the last 4 games
8 Oct 2006, 18:52 pm
sure…by taking fran van skankenburger,jp nil,roots,frikkie welshman,first gear cronje and a few other doghnuts from up north…splendid.
the boks need vision and they aint got it now and certainly wont have it while joke is still the coach.too late to sack the plodder now,should have done it at the begining of season.
lobberts and spies are the only visionaries in that moftus team,the others are all bonheads(bakies,matfield and du preez excluded ofcoarse)
8 Oct 2006, 18:52 pm
Super,sien nie baie uit na die jaar einde toer nie, dis asof iets by die manne kort as ons daar speel
bevoorreg om n toer mee te maak laas jaar..bv. die wedstryd op Cardiff het die manne eenvoudig net nie lus gelyk vir speel nie.
hoekom?kouete(want KOUD was dit),te veel rugby …
ons sal die manne se koppe moet begin reg kry!
8 Oct 2006, 18:54 pm
Mac..
who would u vote for coach?
8 Oct 2006, 19:00 pm
Like Frik dP said if he does the honourable thing and walk..I’ll look no further than Heyneke Meyer
(hoop die ander WP ouens sien nie die post nie!)
8 Oct 2006, 19:05 pm
howzit muskadel,you know as strange as it sounds….rassie!
in only his second season he has reached the final of prehaps the greatest rugby comp on the planet.
no showboating needed,the guy has brains and has coaching skills way beyond his years.joke started ok good but has gone the same way as all the others have before him…he has buckeled under the pressure(kitch excluded ofcoarse).
there is no more pazzazz mate.i was at the tri nations match wher the boks klopped the all blacks at newlands and it was epic! then again i was also at the france game at newlands this year too and everyone around me knew what was going to happen next.
boks have lost there aura,so we won the last 2 games of the tri nations this year BIG DEAL!
we still came last and the all blacks still won the comp before the boks played a game on home soil,that is a disgrace mate
8 Oct 2006, 19:07 pm
hoonika meyer,are you NUTS?
no more 10 man rugby pleeeeeeez!
we want flashy,entertaining rugga.champagne style.
en muskadel,ek is ook n wp man ****.
8 Oct 2006, 19:09 pm
Mac..
HM laat hul net 10man rugby speel want hy weet hul het nie backs nie!
Wie sal jy se??
8 Oct 2006, 19:09 pm
rassie as next bok coach.pieter de villiers to be his assitant
8 Oct 2006, 19:10 pm
Mac
sorry only saw your post now re: Rassie..
8 Oct 2006, 19:11 pm
Gee Rassie nog so 4jaar dan praat ek dalk saam..sy roem het net te gou gekom vir my.
Sal graag wil sien wat maak hy in moeilike tye!
8 Oct 2006, 19:13 pm
muskadel,in only his second season as coach he has got the cheetahs to the final of prehaps the greatest cop in world rugga,with limited resourses.
he has natural coaching talent.even nick mallet used
his ideas when he (mallet) was the boks coach.
mallet reckons he should be the next ou to put the bok coaching blazer on and mallet has cred coz he along with the boks of 98 equalled the record of 17(or 18) straight wins.
that has to count for something,right?
8 Oct 2006, 19:16 pm
ok cool muskadel,lets check out this up and coming currie cup final.
as die cheetahs die moftus ous klop dan moet rassie die volgende kerel wies.
just think if he had the financial power behind him of say…the bulls or wp or the sharks even.
and he did ok in this years ss14.
lets see what he does next season,who knows
8 Oct 2006, 19:17 pm
Mac..
ek stry nie Rassie het n kop op sy skouers, wil net sien wat maak die man as dinge nie vlot verloop nie..
alles het nog sover klop disselboom gevaar vir die Cheetahs.
I like HM..been there,done that except did’nt play for Boks.
8 Oct 2006, 19:19 pm
Nee kyk die final gaan n GROTE wees!
Hoop rerig die Cheetahs vat hom weer, maar my kop se Bulle(ag nee F@K,het ek dit rerig gese?????)
8 Oct 2006, 19:21 pm
Die realiteit is net die Bulle sal weet hoekom hulle laat slap le het in daai laaste 20min!!(Jis,daar doen ek dit alweer!!)
8 Oct 2006, 19:21 pm
…dis nou in laasjaar se final.
8 Oct 2006, 19:30 pm
ek stem saam muskadel.
goed om n ou te ontmoet wat die waarheid praat(in hierdie blog)
ek moet gaan ou pel…sterkte!
8 Oct 2006, 19:49 pm
Somige mense wil dit maar net nie sien nie, die Bulle is besig om julle almal te mesmeraais, ons druk DRIEE , baie driee miskien nie soos die wingat Phillip Burger nie.
maaar met briljante span pogings, dit maak ons BULLE se harte so bly …doef,doef doef die beat oor die luidspekers GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR die skare juig , oorgemaal ,deugebreek, maak nie saak hoe, Liefling le aan , druising hier en daar n boe, LIEFLING KAN ONS MAAR VERGEET EN VERGEWE…
AGT EN SESTIG , 68 keer die seisoen, gemiddeld meer as 4 per wedstryd, een dimensioneel se gat.
Julle hoef nie wakker te word nie , HM en Pote is happy ons is happy so asb bly dink ons is een dimensioneel.
8 Oct 2006, 20:07 pm
Julle almal praat van floors en luke watson? wat van Schalk burger, hy was 2004 speeler van die jaar, ja seker as julle oor jaar uint toer praat maar vir wereld beker is schalk beter as floors en watson. Jaar uint toer saal ek seker wil graag sien Pierre Spies, P3, Hilton Lobberts, Juan Smith en seker Joe van Niekerk. Dink hulle moet daai Pieterson af die springbok span skop en ‘n oukie soos phillip burger kry, hy het baie spoed en is groot maar as “transformation” ‘n se het will ek graag aplon sien, maar dink hy is bietjie klein vir springbok maar hy het spoed en tallent. Ek dink daai protorias oukie is bietjie over rated maar saal seker ok wees om hom te sien maar my 3 top center keuses is wynand, juan en fourie. flyhalfs seker andre protorias en Hougard, hougard het nooit rerig ‘n slegte game gehaat nie en hy is nog jonk.
8 Oct 2006, 20:12 pm
Hier is nou baie gepraat oor bok span keuses. IMO is die volgende SA spelers van werklike internationale gehalte of het die potensiaal.:
Bulls: Spies, Victor, Bakkies, FdP, Lobberts*
Lions: AP, JF, jaco P*, Ludick*, Ernst Joubert*, Heinke*, Baywatch*, Jano*
WP: Schalla, Schalk Brits*, Aplon*, Luke*, Diack*
Cheetahs: Juan, Os, Jannie dup*, kabamba*, Burger*, Barend Pieterse*,
Sharks: John Smit, BJ, Keegan Daniel*, Ruan Pienaar*, Johan Muller*
* = Jong spelers/potensiaal wat binnekort ‘n kans sal kry. Moet hulself nog op ‘n hoer vlak bewys/ my nog nie oortuig nie.
Dalk name uitgelos – so vinnig gedink.
8 Oct 2006, 20:15 pm
Vergeet van liefling – hy sal altyd average wees. Ruan Pienaar het my nog nie oortuig op scrummie nie. Hy het al die talent en ek dink hy moet nou as ‘n loskakel grootgemaak word.
8 Oct 2006, 20:18 pm
#258
Paar name vergeet:
Bevan Fortuin*, WO*, Corne uys*, Aswin Willemse.
Ek gaan van die veronderstelling uit almal is fiks.
8 Oct 2006, 20:24 pm
Katvis jou voorkeur vir Leeutjies laat jou post sleg lyk
Nou met jou 2de post moet jy nog uit die argiewe vir Aswin ook gaan haal. Waneer laas het hy op n rugbyveld gehardloop( in n wedstryd)
“werklike internationale gehalte”
jaco P*, Ludick*, Ernst Joubert*, Heinke*, Baywatch*, Jano*
Waarop baseer jy dit
8 Oct 2006, 20:27 pm
#258 Tiepies verwag van ‘n Leeu om so min as moontlik bulle te kies… As ons rerig so swak was ne hoekom is ons alweer in die finals? Bryan habana is nog steeds die vinnigste Wing wat ons het en het baie vir sid afrika gedoen. As ons so veel leeus gehaat het ne was Jake white al van dag een gefire.. julle het ‘n paar speelers maar jus 8 bietjie baie te veel
8 Oct 2006, 20:30 pm
Superbul
Gaan kyk asb weer na my post wat beteken *.
Die spelers SONDER * is IMO reeds op standaard. O ja, vergeet van Habana.
8 Oct 2006, 20:33 pm
Daardie is nie almal spelers wat NOU in die bokspan moet wees nie. Ouens wat ek glo kan nog vorentoe ‘n rol speel.
8 Oct 2006, 20:34 pm
macdaddy
“jondodododo,what? top the log? yah sure in the womens division you ****.
cheetahs and wp will have home semis but there opposition will be decided next weekend
Comment by macdaddy : September 23, 2006 @ 10:58 pm”
LOL
8 Oct 2006, 20:43 pm
kayzeten
jou ****** brood.
“Superbul … I only wanna express my condolences at this stage to you, jondood, xkreni, grootbloudoos and the others …..
Comment by kayzeten : October 7, 2006 @ 1:39 pm”
LOL
8 Oct 2006, 20:50 pm
This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic, but i have a question regarding Marius Jonker and the rules of Rugby.
Here goes: If a player goes down for an injury and is lying on the field, and play stops… Surely play cannot restart untill that player is attended to???
Adriaan Fondse was out cold before the Bulls scored yet another try. The conversion was successful by Liefling WHILE Adriaan Fondse was attended to by medical staff. Marius Jonker then let play RESTART while Fondse was still on the field being attended to by medical staff. This means the Bulls were 1 man down, and a try was scored against them by Bolla Conradie.
Do the rules not state that the injured player must be taken off or tended to, and that problem fixed, before play can be restarted???
This had no outcome on the result, but this was just one of the many errors I picked up on by Mr. Jonker while i was sitting in the comfort of the grandstand.
8 Oct 2006, 20:57 pm
Katvis jammer ek het nie daai * comment gesien of in ag geneem nie.
Maar ek dink ander daaroor , dink aan Percy hy was history toe bring Jake hom terug, baie suksesvol.
Nou dink aan Hougaart bv. hy is konstant sy vedediging is baie goed ,hy is ervare, hoekom nog n Meyer Bosman skep met jong onbeproefte spelers.
Gee Hougie nou n kans saam met n baie beter Springbokspan as daar in 2003
8 Oct 2006, 22:01 pm
Hulle kan nie weer vir Ndungane kies nie, ek het Saterdag weer gesien dat hy n totale pateet is
8 Oct 2006, 22:37 pm
#267 As a neutral observer from New Zealand I have three observations. a) the refereeing was poor by international standards b) Luke Watson stood out and his slick skills and passing led to two of Provinces three tries and c) the atandard of rugby was rather poor. Although their were a couple of really good moves the error rate compared to the New Zealand semi-finals show that South African rugby is still lagging behind in skills
8 Oct 2006, 22:44 pm
Die kenner
jou naam pas glad nie, Ndugane is ‘n springbok, en suksesvolle rugbyspeler. Jy val ‘n suksesvolle rugbyspeler veilig agter jou rekenaar met ‘n kak skuilnaam aan: dit is pateties
as wp ondersteuner wens ek die bulle geluk. Hulle was van begin tot einde in beheer, en het die wp met kliniese rugby oortref. Spies gaan nog ‘n legende word
8 Oct 2006, 22:47 pm
twojays
New Zealand rugby are in good shape at the moment: is it true that they are going to be allowed to field two teams in next years world cup? I read it on the siver fern, but it sounded like som April fools joke
8 Oct 2006, 23:17 pm
spies is king.
play can go on if player is not a prop or hooker.
8 Oct 2006, 23:18 pm
kenner
jy is n totale patetiese dooooo………
9 Oct 2006, 01:38 am
Personally, I do believe that the following combo, taking into account availability, quota and form, would be able to beat England two weekends in a row.
15 B. Fortuin/G. Aplon (depending on the weather conditions)
14 P. Burger (what speed… i hate him though)
13 J. Fourie (comfortably our best 13 atm)
12 J. De Villiers (lets see how rusty he is)
11 B. Habana (work that step boy)
10 A. Pretorious
9 R. Pienaar
8 P. Spies
7 J. Smith
6 K. Floors
5 V. Matfield (rest him alot though)
4 D. Rossouw
3 BJ. Botha
2 J. Smit
1 J. Engels
16 C. Ralepelle
17 J. Du Plessis
18 B. Pieterse
19 L. Watson
20 F. Du Preez
21 M. Bosman
22 B. Paulse
23 O. Du Randt (for moral support)
24 G. Botha
25 J. Muller
26 H. Lobberts
27 H. Adams
28 J. Pretorious
29 F. Steyn
30 G. Aplon/B. Fortuin
This is a potent team and no one can deny that fact. I’d like to see Jacques Fourie and Jean De Villiers continue to establish their midfield partnership, whilst Phillip Burger’s 14 tries mustbe rewarded. It must be noted how few people say he needs more experience before he is to be picked, whilst they say ‘they’ll reserve judgements on Aplon’ until the WP star plays in the annual S14. I believe Aplon and Fortuin are our best fullbacks at the moment, both combining safe hands with competent boots. Aplon also adds defensive solidity and blinding speed to the fray. On Pretorious at flyhalf, I still think he needs to work even more on his distribution and goal-kicking, as he seems to kill out of hand far too often. Ruan Pienaar should be encouraged to run off the ball as well, as his stepping and swerving have wreacked havoc at the highest level (think Brumbies 2005, Chiefs 2006). Pierre Spies, defensively, hasn’t quite lived up to the requirements for a superstar No. 8, but that is why I’m picking him there, because he is young and is more than capable of satisfying the role with experience. He needs to start specialising and I feel No. 8 is where he is best suited. Juan Smith is an automatic choice for blindside flank, but the same cannot be said of opensider Kabamba Floors. I’m concerned over whether Jake White would pick a forward under 100, let alone 90kg’s. Kabamba, at 175cm and 87kg ,is a good 19kg’s lighter than the second lightest forward in the pack (Spies). But I do believe what Floors adds is the game-breaking and fetching (not beer) ability. Imagine Spies and Floors, two looseforwards, linking up with natural flair players such as Pienaar, De Villiers, Burger and Aplon? This is an incredible combination! I’m too tired to talk about the tight 5, but I think these selections are more than justified!
9 Oct 2006, 01:41 am
I meant to say Pretorious *kicks out of hand too often.
9 Oct 2006, 01:50 am
Meyer Bosman on the bench… oh ya, well, I wanted a fly half come centre player, and Butch James doesnt do it for me. Meyer Bosman is also only 21, and I’m looking forward to watching him play against the Blue Bulls now that WDW is injured. His pass to put Jacques Fourie through against France last year was the best I’ve seen, and he did score the winner in the CC last year. He can be our flyhalf in 3 – 4 years time.
9 Oct 2006, 03:14 am
Thanks for your considered but highly boring opinion, ziyaad.
Moving on to matters more important, why are Bulls fans such fuckwits?
9 Oct 2006, 04:12 am
Ziyaad, ater your vicious outburst saturday over the critisizm of JC and Linston i find it ammusing to see your starting paragraph, very few people use the quota word nowadays but you are, but then again you may.
“Personally, I do believe that the following combo, taking into account availability, quota and form”
9 Oct 2006, 07:18 am
superBul, RevJim, Catfish
You guys are up early.
Blue Monday here, I am not referring to the Blue victory!! **** load of work, exam prep time starting this month.
Rev, are you in Europe somewhere. Howcome you don’t catch the games on Sky3 then, as GWB does?
Anyway, cheers rugbymaters, looking forward to Saturday then, are we?
9 Oct 2006, 07:52 am
Dis maar stil hier vanmore….wonner waar is die wp manne
9 Oct 2006, 07:58 am
Just to show how immatuare the Bulls fans are. All the WP fans congratulated the Bulls on a very good win over an inexperienced, naive WP. But all the Bulls can do is say: Nanananana! Grow up… The Bulls’ performance was helped by the WP’s mistakes and inexperience. Don’t get too carried away. I see the Sports Journalist from Rapport, JJ Harmse compares Johan Roets to Chris Latham and Derick Kuun better than Watson. Well… Watson played behind an inexperienced losing pack and still looked good.
9 Oct 2006, 08:01 am
RugbyStudent
immature is calling the bulls one dimensional, and check the log the whole season and how luke will hold the cup high..that is the kind of stuff we had to endure the whole year
9 Oct 2006, 08:02 am
More al die manne en die WP ondersteuners…
9 Oct 2006, 08:03 am
GWB more die wp mense is nog nie hier nie
9 Oct 2006, 08:05 am
I was hoping that we would be hearing less about Watson now that WP are out… I guess Keo’s love for the guy runs realy deep.
I am sorry to disagree keo, but did not think he had such a wonderfull game on Saturday – and now you blame the rest of his team (the guys who got them there in the first place!)
9 Oct 2006, 08:07 am
Student
I agree with you, the Bulls played a good game, and WP played a VERY bad game. I don’t know if the pressure got to them, but to be honest I expected a better game.
O, and as a Bulls fan, I have to mention that you should not listen to JJ’s rantings. He is to the Bulls as Keo id to WP.
9 Oct 2006, 08:10 am
Yeah, this weekend is going to be mouthwatering and almost fairytale like. Don’t you guys think Rassie should be drafted into the Springbok setup or go on the end of year tour just for experience?
9 Oct 2006, 08:10 am
congrats to all the bulls supporters. your team fully deserved the victory…
as for the luke issue. he has been playing great rugby since the S14 and is the best fetcher we have in SA. as for him being compared to pierre spies, how is that possible if they play in different positions?
anyway, enjoy your moment bulls fans, i dont think you will beat the cheetahs though.
9 Oct 2006, 08:11 am
RugbyStudent
rassie should be coach
9 Oct 2006, 08:11 am
Puke Watson was the worst opensider on display this past weekend and YET Keo believes he should be picked for the Boks…
9 Oct 2006, 08:13 am
Floors, Britz, Spies and even vd Merwe were better loosies this past weekend… Watson does not feature in Jake’s plans because that is what is supposed to happen to players who play as badly as Luke did on Saturday
9 Oct 2006, 08:15 am
So
Hanyani Shimange
Eddie Andrews
Marius Joubert
De Wet Barry
Wayne Julies
Ricky January
Joe van Niekerk
Jaco van der Westhuysen
Jacque Cronje
can all speak French now. What f’n waste of time!! Jake White shot himself in the foot for the situation he has and can’t blame anybody for this. HE was the one who gave those players long-term contracts.
9 Oct 2006, 08:15 am
so john does one bad game make you a bad player?
If thats the case then pierre spies should never have played another test after the 49-0 loss vs the Aussies. cmon bro, watson was not that bad on sat. the bulls forwards were just so much better than the WP forwards and whenever WP scored and tried to come back into the game, the Bulls knocked the stuffing out of them by scoring immediately.
9 Oct 2006, 08:15 am
John, I think you and I watched a different game to what Keo watched… Luke is not even cute enough to be picked for the Boks
9 Oct 2006, 08:17 am
Yet again I re-iterate. LUKE PLAYED BEHING A LOSING PACK AND STILL LOOK GOOD. I’m pretty sure if Derick Kuun and Luke Watson switched sides that Luke wouldn’t feature. You Bulls are very short sighted.
9 Oct 2006, 08:17 am
morning all, congrats to all the bulls supporters on a great and deserved win. i thought wp were still in with a chance up to lobbert’s try. after he scored it was game over. wp were lucky as britz’s first try was definatley forward and his second was also questionable. the bulls have a really special talent in spies, that guy is just awesome, kuun is also a very bright prospect for the future. i did say last week when the bulls and cheaters played that whoever win would take the cc. it is difficult to call but the i think the bulls tempo at which they play the game should be the winning factor.
9 Oct 2006, 08:20 am
WPW,
on saturday Luke knocked on (which led to a try), ran sideways (which allowed the defense to drift), offered no options in the lineout, was beaten to the breakdown by an 8th man and he did not even steal any quality ball for WP. This is a Luke’s usual standard, but somehow the media (read Keo), have latched on to him as the messiah of SA Rugby. Oh, and also Luke has a bad attitude, which is bound to cause problems with coaches and management in future (something which SA rugby should avoid at all cost)
9 Oct 2006, 08:20 am
and another thing. to that low-life so-called wp supporter who took his wp jersey off and threw it away… go screw yourself. i hope you never support wp again because we don’t need people like you. if i was sitting next to him i would have given him a snotklap.
9 Oct 2006, 08:20 am
Finals of 2006
Bulls vs FS
u/ 21 Bulls vs Lions
u/19 Bulls vs WP
Amature Bulls vs …..
4/4 Fianls well done Bulls
9 Oct 2006, 08:21 am
There’s a couple of things I noticed.
1.) The Bulls continously are offside in the backline.
2.) If you study the game you’ll see the Bulls fall off their feet over the ball so many times that there’s no fair contest. SA refs don’t blow for it but it is a rule strictly applied in SUPER 14
9 Oct 2006, 08:23 am
Carla Jane
Are you serious? You seriously should take the flaps off your eyes. Just to show how good Luke can be… Just close your eyes and think of Luke Playing Openside for the Bulls…
9 Oct 2006, 08:24 am
Keo Watson’s arrogance made him loose a lot of support including me, how many turnover did he make on Saturday , he’s playing way to loose thes days , he always standing at flyhalve , imagine having him and Victor together ???
No way WP can keep him, there are other loosies pushing as well Lobberts, Kabamba, Kuun their personalities are much better than Luke’s as well
9 Oct 2006, 08:25 am
Floors may be short, but he redeems himself by playing with suicidal guts. Luke has no redeeeming qualities as a player, he is short, slow, without the instinctive nous of great opensiders, without the strength to compete effectively on the ground…
Wannenburg may not be the greatest fetcher, but at least he offers something in the lineouts.
Van Niekerk may not be as strong as an ox, but at least he has pace and competes in lineouts.
Britz may be slow, but he puts himself in the right place at the right time.
Luke is, at best, our 5th choice opensider…
9 Oct 2006, 08:25 am
Martin
thanks man..did i\laugh when i saw that wp chucking his shirt away
9 Oct 2006, 08:26 am
Hou op om oor watson te huil kyk liewers na Hougard want hy is baas.
9 Oct 2006, 08:26 am
Student, you must be a 1st year student… there is no chance that Luke would even make the bench in Pta.
9 Oct 2006, 08:28 am
Student jy’s suur boet, jou span het weereens verloor toe dit moes tel , ja dis nou 3 verloor in ‘n ry.
Bulls is noe 5 de jaar in ‘n ry in cc final met al hulle spanne , word wakker staan op, gee eer en betoon respek want die “Baas” het nou net verby gegaan
9 Oct 2006, 08:28 am
Well done to the Bulls and Cheetahs.Shot to their supporters that sticked with their teams.
Its going to be a cracker come Saturday between the two strongest sides in SA.
9 Oct 2006, 08:28 am
Its funny how , in the start of the CC everybody was mad about Watson. Now that Spies is there they hate him. You know why…because he is not a bull. To everybody that said Watson had a bad game, look at the game very closely:
Spies and Watson didn’t have many one on one confrontations but,
Spies bumped watson off once (1 point for him),
Watson bumped spies off once,
TWICE watson stole the ball from spies, the one time he actually ripped the ball out of spies’ hands. The only critizism I have against him is that he tried to do too many on his own, but that usually happens when the rest of the team is not performing.
9 Oct 2006, 08:28 am
Carla Jane
What is this obsession with Lineouts. There are what, 25-30 lineouts in a game? I’d expect my two locks to take 80% of those. and the rest between the 8th man at the back and maybe another loosie. So, why do you need a 120 lineout options? The New Zealanders have only a few options and keep it very simple and kick our asses every time.
9 Oct 2006, 08:29 am
capebull-spot on.
9 Oct 2006, 08:29 am
Luke had a bad game – and don’t blame the rest of the team, after aal they beat the bulls 2 this year. Watson did not bring his game face when it mattered – finish en klaar!
9 Oct 2006, 08:31 am
carla jane, if i’m not mistaken he was playing opposite kuhn and not spies.
also, he made two of wp’s tries…
at the end of the day you cannot judge a player based on one game…
9 Oct 2006, 08:31 am
Keo die Bulls bestuur vir Chilly , wag tot volgende jaar , kyk hoe goed Lobberts bestruur word. Keo soek ‘n slag iets posetief oor die Bulls jou geliefde span Povince het soos die Strompies weereen uit die bus geval.
9 Oct 2006, 08:31 am
McCaw, Smith, Waugh would laugh at us if Watson had to become a Bok…
Not only because he is a poor player, but also because he’d embarras us with the way he looks like he is suffering for some great cause everytime he (surprisingly) tackles someone. His body language reminds me of 9 year-olds who want to show the crowd how tough they are. We’l become the laughing stock of world rugby if Luke had to ever wear the green and gold.
Besides, he has already shown his disrespect for the culture and tradition of Bok rugby with that cover picture of him tearing the Province jersy to reveal a Bok jersey. Cheap publicity! When Bobby did that, he could at least rely on some substance. All Luke can rely on is Keo
9 Oct 2006, 08:32 am
Capebull,
Go back to my first post. I think that just proves my point.
9 Oct 2006, 08:32 am
Carla, are you CJ…
9 Oct 2006, 08:34 am
Carla Jane
In interviews with Mccaw, Smith, Waught and Collins, seperately, each of them said they can’t see why Luke is out of the Bok team and Mccaw even went as far to say that Luke was the best opensider opponent of the SA teams.
9 Oct 2006, 08:35 am
Student, you are obviously failing your 1st year courses?
There is no obsession with lineouts, but it does help to have a player that offers something other than just the basic requirements. Luke offers neither the basics nor the extras. Every other opensider in the country offers his team something, Luke just offers a bad, childish attitude.
9 Oct 2006, 08:35 am
Student
Did McCaw play against Watson in the S14?
9 Oct 2006, 08:36 am
Daai ou op tv wat sy wp jersey wegegooi het … hehehe hoop hy kry in blou een) Dis dieselfde soos wat wp die game wegegooi het.
Hougard het julle naas stukkend geskop. Liefling se spel soos gewoonlik was bobaas. Kom mnr white maak oop jou oogies Hougard is S.A se no10
9 Oct 2006, 08:36 am
If I were McCaw and Smith I’d say the same thing… are you really that ignorant?
Why would they say that? Because they are scared of the alternatives. Do you think because they are being interviewed that they suddenly stop thinking about world cups and tri nations?
9 Oct 2006, 08:38 am
halfgk , Feite is :
Watson moes sy kant skoon hou en net jol. Kyk hoe het Nick the Mallet vir Andre Venter hanteer , al wat Venter gedoen het was om stil te bly en te jol.
Skinstad en Mallet het saam geval.
Wat maak Luke hy kritiseer heeldag en aldag vir Jake. Intussen is daar talle jong spelers wat net jol en ewewskielik is Luke nie meer so ver voor as wat hy dink nie.
As hy die game stats ontleed sal jy sien dat Luke in S14 omtrent die 5 de beste flank was, die volgende was voor hom.
Spies, Botes, P3, Juan, Schalk, en Vickus.
Luke leef nou op persepsies nie meer op feite nie.
9 Oct 2006, 08:38 am
Carla Jane
Are you some weird kind of idiot? Why would Mccaw be afraid of SA when he and Dan Carter single-handedly destroyed SA ON LOFTUS VERSFELD with a ton of Bulls in the team? Are you saying Richie Mccaw is scared of the Bulls?! hahahahaha
9 Oct 2006, 08:39 am
Province needs another opensider and another captain if they are to ever go beyond the semis. Luke is just not up to the task and I’m sure its only a matter of time before we see what his team mates think of his attitude… let’s just hope its his WP team mates and not his Bok team mates, we can’t afford another embarrassment b4 RWC 2007
9 Oct 2006, 08:42 am
If you read Keo’s articles only, it doesn’t make you a rugby student, it just makes you a Watson fan… any real student of the game would see the weaknesses of Watson and not allow the media to influence their judgement.
CapeBul, well put!
9 Oct 2006, 08:43 am
Kerneels,
No Richie was rested for this years S14 game between The Crusaders and the Stormers.
Luke was out-played by Jonny Leo’o that day.
9 Oct 2006, 08:47 am
Cane
I actually knew that – just wanted to prove a point. McCaw didn’t play against Watson, so I don’t think he’d say Watson is the best.
Anyway, everyone keeps saying Waugh, Smith and McCaw said all these things, where did they say it? Student?
9 Oct 2006, 08:47 am
Anyway, seems like the IQ of this room is dropping exponentially…
I’m rather going to pick MY bok squad for the end of year tour.
15.) Bevin Fortuin/JP Pietersen
14.) Jaco Pretorius/Breyton Paulse
13.) Jacque Fourie/Jaco Pretorius
12.) Jean de Villiers/Wynand Olivier
11.) Bryan Habana/Brent Russel
10.) Andre Pretorius/Willem de Waal
9.) Ruan Pienaar/Fourie du Preez
8.) AJ Venter/Pedrie Wannenburg
7.) Pierre Spies/Juan Smith
6.) Luke Watson/Kabamba Floors
5.) Victor Matfield/Albert van den Berg
4.) Danie Rossouw/Johan Muller
3.) CJ van der Linde/BJ Botha
2.) John Smit/Gary Botha
1.) Os du Randt/Deon Carstens
9 Oct 2006, 08:48 am
Watson was statistically the top SA flanker in this years S14 however,
although stats are all about individuals performance and don’t measure intangible benefits to your team,
like attitude or backing up, or being the dummy runner that made the gap that led to the try, or being the second guy at every tackle who slows the play down and prevents the opposition getting a break, etc…
9 Oct 2006, 08:48 am
RugbyStusent,
Lineouts provide the best first phase attacking options around, and the obsession as you call it is not based on winning your own lineouts. You are correct in saying that your locks should win them. But if you can steal or disrupt opposition lineouts, you create very dangerous attacking opportunities. that is where tall loosies in the AJ Venter and Spies mould come into their own and can swing matches. Look at what we did to the Auzzies in Oz last year. We took about 6 of their lineouts in a a row. It crushed their spirit, robbed them of posession and eventually lost them the game.
The obsession is not with Lineouts, its about posession.
And by the way, your petulance is kind of embarrassing.
9 Oct 2006, 08:49 am
RugbyStudent
JP Pieterson is not international material
9 Oct 2006, 08:49 am
RugbyStudent, change your name, son. You are making a fool of yourself and all the real rugby students out there…
When did I say McCaw is scared of the bulls? It will help McCaw if we had to choose a small, slow opensider with an attitude that stinks…
9 Oct 2006, 08:50 am
FFS, Luke is a world class player, yes he was outplayed this Sat, but everybody has an off day!
methinks that he was just to hyped for the game and tried to beat the Bulls single handedly instead of playing with his team….. this will pass with maturity
LW will be an asset to any national team, and if he went to the bulls (remember the bulls made his a huge offer) all of the bulls fan would want him to be in the Bok squad !
Its such a pity that we Saffas are so provincialistic that we cant seem to rate a player on his ability….. but rather for the team he plays!
And I am an avid BULLS FAN !!
9 Oct 2006, 08:50 am
rugby student
Would you REALLY chose Luke at #6 ??
9 Oct 2006, 08:50 am
Rugbystudent we the only team thats beaten the ABs so go smoke it.
Liefling has proven this far every game why he the best no10 this country has seen.
Naas looked like a scarecrow compared to Hougard.
Oh yeah one more thing this year LIEFLING will play in the FINAL so you might as well hand us the cup Now
9 Oct 2006, 08:51 am
Rugby student, why why why why why why would you choose Luke Watson? Explain to us your reason, pleeeeeeease.
9 Oct 2006, 08:52 am
Are you guys telling me that Luke Watson, playing behind a losing pack all year and still plays good rugby is worthless? Are you guys saying that a respected opponent like Richie Mccaw and Phil Waugh will go on TV (Boots and All) and say that Watson is a good player for no reason?
9 Oct 2006, 08:52 am
What’s your IQ, rugby student?
9 Oct 2006, 08:55 am
…and I am a Province fan! but I find it so difficult to support a team that is captained by such a bad attitude who is not worthy of the jersey or the number 6, let alone the captaincy. Drop Luke or send him to the Spears, I want my team back, the team of Carel du Plessis, Morne, Divan, Andrews and Bekker
9 Oct 2006, 08:55 am
carla jane.. hello sweetness!
9 Oct 2006, 08:55 am
My touring team would look like this:
15.Johan Roets
14.Bryton Poulse
13.Jeaque Fourie
12.Jean De Veliers
11.Phillip Burger(a betjie windgat!)
10.Andre Pretorius
9.Fourie Du Preez
8.Piere Spies
7.A.J Venter
6.Luke Watson
5.Ross Skeate
4.Hottie Louw
3.Cobus Visagie
2.John Smit (C)
1.Eddie Andrews
REPLACEMENT XV
15.Geo Aplon
14.Akona Ndunganie
13.Mourie
12.Dries Scholts
11.Bryan Habana
10.Derick Hougaard
9.Ruan Pienaar
8.Diak
7.Lobberts
6.Floors
5.Brits
4.Pieterse
3.B.J Botha
2.Gary Botha
1.Ollie Le Roux
9 Oct 2006, 08:55 am
john … john smit I presume.
That would explain allot.
9 Oct 2006, 08:56 am
Hellooo Ricane
Luke wasn’t outplayed. Stormers won against Crusaders.
And to all the other idiots: All you ever moan about is Luke’s attitude, the way he walks and what he says. Look at his game. Now he is good. With a better tight five he could be devastating.
9 Oct 2006, 08:56 am
Drunkmonkey
We won the All Blacks after they took every last cup from our cabinet and even the one that we handed to ourselves by ‘accident’ (hahaha, still can’t believe Joost).
I hope Jake White doesn’t pick Watson or Floors or any smallish player for the end of year tour. I mean ‘we can only win with the biggest pack in history’ or can we? Where have I heard this before? In SA’s obsession with having 5 lineout forwards, how many games have we won against the top opposition in the last 5 years? With these big okes, how many games have we won overseas?
9 Oct 2006, 08:57 am
carla jane your wp boys you want back are a bit old… If WP had won teh Currie cuo would you still suggest that Luke is a problem? Who else should captain the side????
9 Oct 2006, 08:57 am
Francois Steyn is kak. What do you people see in the guy? He had ONE good game against wp in the rain. He was shocking on saturday. He couldnt handle the pressure. He should play ALOT more rugby before even considering the guy. If they want a guy who can kick the ball, pick de waal or derick. derick is also young(and already a bok, so he doesnt have to give out new caps), so if he is builing for the future, that doesnt qualify the guy over derick in any case. Jake goes on and on about not making the springbok jersey cheap, but then he gives it to undeserving guys, like bosman, tyibilika and now possibly steyn, while leaving guys like ettiene botha and watson in the dark. This doesnt make any sence…
9 Oct 2006, 08:58 am
Rugby Student, you are either illiterate or dumb or both…
We have gone through this already. why do you think Waugh says Watson is a good opensider? C’mon, think a bit, allow both brain cells to work together just for a second.
If we were to let Waugh pick our team for us, I hope they’ll allow John Smit to pick their team, C’mon, grow up. If Waugh’s comments is your reason for wanting to pick Watson, then I’ve had enough of arhuing with you… You have not provided any substance
9 Oct 2006, 08:58 am
Nobody is scared of the Bulls when an international referee handles the game. The Bulls’claim to fame is that they can beat SA opposition when SA refees are officiating. You only have to look at the past season of Super Rugby to realise this.
They won all their games against SA opposition and only 3/9 against international opposition. Surely this tells you something.? They are **** and SA referees feel they owe them something.
9 Oct 2006, 08:58 am
Luke Watson was geweeg die naweek en is te lig gevind…10 punte wat hy ons gegee het
9 Oct 2006, 08:59 am
Luke is a good player.
He looks very good at openside in SA but would stack up internationally.
SA doesn’t have a very good fetcher, but do you need one?
SA do have very good ball carriers, linebreakers and lineout players at #6,7 & 8… so why not play to your strengths and have 3 big tall linebreakers that support each other.
It worked in your last international game.
9 Oct 2006, 09:01 am
Capebull
I agree with you about Botes and P3 (Botes is another player that can easily become a Bok).
They were brilliant in the S14. But Spies wasn’t that great in the S14. Maybe above average but thats it. He is a great player now though.
Oh, and of the players you mentioned, only 1 is a real fetcher.
9 Oct 2006, 09:02 am
Kobus this morning said that , Wp’s primary source of ball is Kicks on Wp and turnover ball.
What about the first phases, line outs , scrums , Kobus ???
Kobus this morning said that WP lacks in training skills and training facilities behind the Bulls , wie se skuld is dit.
and then please …. Povince played an inexperienced team 11 players first semi’s , well the Bulls had 9 first timers and a new coach.
So stop moaning take the loss soos ‘n man.
What happened the all the Bulls bashers from friday, wpweee,Tony, capeflets ect…
9 Oct 2006, 09:02 am
I’m a little pissed off at the wp boys .. if they were not interested playing in the semies, they sould have stepped aside for the Lions. Some really pathetic ball handeling skills by province really made it allot easier for the bulls than it sould have been.
Well done to the bulls and cheetahs. It is a 50/50 final with the bulls going in as slight favourits I would say. I will however be supporting the cheetahs on the day.
Goooooo Cheetahs.
9 Oct 2006, 09:04 am
Luke is a good provincial Captain, I heard that OS says that if Luke becomes a BOk he will leave.
9 Oct 2006, 09:04 am
Ig
Supa is asking if there is any problems with the site…he can’t get is and he wants to give all the WP supporters gas!!!!!!!!!please help the man
9 Oct 2006, 09:04 am
What about the Bulls last try by Hottie ?
9 Oct 2006, 09:04 am
Veii
Ross Skeate?Hottie louw???
When will you people learn you need some big hard working guys in the enjine room. hottie louw is a bench player with the bulls. van scouwenburg and fondse and pieterse and botha(griekwas) are the guys who should get a look in. also ackerman and muller are already boks and have both been good this season
9 Oct 2006, 09:05 am
halfgk
g’day,
I was actually just looking for a reaction with that comment.
I know the Stormers won but Watson and Leo’o were fairly even;
Both made 3 line breaks and 1 turnover
Leo’o 3 go forwards vs watson 0
Leo’o 6 tackles, watson 10
but Leo’o scored a try.
9 Oct 2006, 09:05 am
Steyn – yup got his mail – trying to get him sorted out !
9 Oct 2006, 09:07 am
Yoda did n’t you read their posts on Friday they chose ” the dentist” for that role.
Like most of Wp he also ended up as big talk little play……….
9 Oct 2006, 09:08 am
This Bull basher is still here… I hope you guys get your asses kicked this sat.
When Luke became captain of my team, I decided to change allegiences until WP becomes respectable again, so I’m a Cheetah lady this weekend!
9 Oct 2006, 09:09 am
again, I think we need a little balance here. Just because the Bulls won on Saturday does not mean that the Entire WP team was worthless. Luke is a great player. Is he as good as the hype surrounding him? i dont think anybody could be. Is he a great player who had an average game? Absolutely.
Even great teams lose games. Brilliant players have off days. And the next day the sun comes up anyway. If the Bulls lost the semi, would that make Spies a poephol? Clearly not.
WP had a great CC season and did very well. It bodes well for their S14 and CC next year. You chaps can keep your heads high, you never gave up and scored some sublime tries.
9 Oct 2006, 09:11 am
Os says he’ll leave if Luke is picked??? Are you serious?
I’ll be wearing a black jersey if Luke is picked.
9 Oct 2006, 09:11 am
Dis Luke se eie skuld, as hy dalk sy bek gehou het die hele jaar dan sou mense hom nie vandag so verskeur nie
9 Oct 2006, 09:12 am
team vs ireland
15. pieterson
14. paulse
13. fourie
12. de villiers
11. habana
10. james
9. pienaar
8. spies
7. smith
6. watson
5. ackerman
4. muller
3. van der linde
2. smith
1. sephaka
16. bj botha
17. gary botha
18. danie roussouw
19. loberts
20. du preez
21. jaco pretorius
22. russel
9 Oct 2006, 09:13 am
will luke even start for the stormers next year with schalk and big joe back? diack, joe and schalk would probably be the best combo with luke on the bench ahead of melck
9 Oct 2006, 09:13 am
JP Pietersen is probably the most overrated rugby player in this country!!!
If you thought PIETER ROSSOUW was bad in giving us all HEART ATTACKS? JP is 10 times worse!!
Gio Aplon, by far the best fullback in the CC this year, is not even mentioned in this article!
Ludicrous!?!
9 Oct 2006, 09:13 am
kemp
pieterson is not international material
9 Oct 2006, 09:13 am
Luke is an average player who had another average game on Sat…
He has never been better than average, unless you believe Keo’s praise singing, in which case Luke is about to walk on water
9 Oct 2006, 09:14 am
Ricane,
I have been watching the Air New Zeeland Cup and i must say i have been overcome with indifference at the quality of the rugby. If you honestly think that there was a vast difference in the level of play, you must surely allow for some tunnel vision.
I saw a lot of 1 & 2 channel bash-em rugby. and some backline moves. almost as an afterthought.
any thoughts?
9 Oct 2006, 09:14 am
Bluebarb , Province was outplayed and experience played a big role.
But yes they did well with a young side this season , and one can just hope for next season.
9 Oct 2006, 09:17 am
i don’t know what everyone has against jp pieterson. he and russell were our most dangerous backs on sat (which isnt much of an achievement). jp is good at drawing 2 defenders and giving a quick pass to create gaps. also notice how well jp manages to stand in the tackle even when he is isolated, he gives the support time to get back
9 Oct 2006, 09:17 am
Luke Watson is only a rumour..
Pierre Spies is for real…!
Pierre Spies for president…!
9 Oct 2006, 09:19 am
Bluebarb,
I normally only read the comments but I must say you are probably the only person on this site thats writing sense. Rugby is bigger than one player and I’m sure Luke knows this so I don’t know why most of you you are on his case everyday. Carla Jane if a captain changes the team you support then you’re obviously not a true supporter.
9 Oct 2006, 09:23 am
And so it continues. KEO are you not gettind a little obsessive? I I were Luke I would be getting a little nervous. What game were you watching on Saturday? Watson would make a pretty reasonable centre but that is where it stops. He made some silly mistakes with one resulting in a try for the Bulls. How can you beat a bulls pack if one of your players spends 80% of the time at outside centre? I stand to be corrected but he didnt turn over 1 ball and he did not put any pressure on Hougie. He doesnt do his job.
Congratulations Bulls and Cheetahs, you are the best two sides at present and deserve to contest the final. Beware the Sharks next year though.
9 Oct 2006, 09:28 am
Kemp, please make taht team wear Blue Hoops not green and gold , the last time I looked we had to pick the best team for Green and Gold.\
Peterson and Barrit are same as Luke.
9 Oct 2006, 09:28 am
Bluebarb, Sup boet
Its just disappointing that the Sharks kicked away all their posession and when we did run in the second half we crossed the advantage line a few times which begs the question what was the game plan?
9 Oct 2006, 09:29 am
Ig, what is your mail addy for the ticket give-away?
9 Oct 2006, 09:29 am
keepin_it_real:
Dont get me wrong! JP’s GOOD! but OVERRATED!!
He’s one of those…always gonna be great currie cup player. period!
and so will Bevan Fortuin, Willem De Waal, Derick Hougaard, Wynand Olivier, JP Nel, Egon Seconds, Hanyani Shimange etc.
We should stop settling for mediocrity!!
and start bringing dynamic players to our national team…
the Aplon’s, the Pierre Spies’ etc
We all know that each and every player has the skills to play at international level…but it’s what’s between their ears is what will keep them there and become a winning team…
9 Oct 2006, 09:30 am
Thats why WP lost there was only one player on the field LUKE , nobody says anything about the other 14, every now and then you Gio
9 Oct 2006, 09:30 am
by the way,
Has anyone considered how Spies and Watson will do playinf for the same team…Spies taking 3 men out with his runs and Watson creating gaps….
9 Oct 2006, 09:31 am
Hef #380 – webmaster at hsm coza
9 Oct 2006, 09:32 am
Can people stop saying “We won this team or that team”. The correct grammar is “We BEAT this team or that team.” You can use the word won in a sentence such as: “We WON the game against New Zealand, or Province etc.”
9 Oct 2006, 09:33 am
Good Morning All – my head still hurts!!! It seems I swallow my words and predictions from Friday – got them both wrong!
Firstly – Well done to the Bulls and all their supporters on this site. It was a great win and no excuses from WP side. Bulls just did everything better on the day and deserve to be in the final.Province will be back next season no doubt.
Secondly – to all the bloggers who have nothing better than to trash Luke – shame on you – I always thought rugga was a 15 man game. Luke had an average game behind a pack that got mauled – why keep faulting his play – at least he keeps trying and introduces more creativity to the game than any other of the loosies out there at the moment. We should be encouraging creativity , not trashing it!
Thirdly – if WP were Kak, what the f… happened to the Sharks – they did not pitch for the game at all!! – very disappointing to say the least – It is a pity the Lions wre not playing instead – they would have done better I’m sure.
9 Oct 2006, 09:33 am
Thanks Ig, sent one through!
9 Oct 2006, 09:33 am
PML
9 Oct 2006, 09:34 am
All Bulls, check my post 230. Just to congratulate all the Bulls again. Well played guys, you deserved your win.
So Supa, Grootblou, Steyn, Bluebarb, GWB, Superbul, Bulla and all the other Bulls fans, well done.
9 Oct 2006, 09:36 am
More Tony
9 Oct 2006, 09:36 am
I agree with valjean, rather consider the possibilities offered by playing Spies and Watson together instead of playing the one of against the other. Add Juan Smith to the mix and you`re looking at one helluva combination.
9 Oct 2006, 09:37 am
the wp forwards always get dominated in big matches. and it always amazes me how after the match wp supporters will be campaigning for their whole forward pack to be given bok blazers
9 Oct 2006, 09:37 am
More Pieterman! Het vir jou email gestuur vanoggend, maar sukkel met my server.
9 Oct 2006, 09:37 am
rugga, I agree with you on Luke there. The man is 22 years old – he’s shown a hell of a lot of maturity even with all the criticism, the Jake White saga etc. The guy plays his heart out every single game and eventhough I’m not a Luke fan, I’ll still gladly pick him in the Bok no 6 jersey just because you know that you’ll never get less than 100% commitment and effort from him. Just my opinion.
9 Oct 2006, 09:37 am
More Tony, pieterman, KIR – how’s your MOnday going?
9 Oct 2006, 09:37 am
Top 10 retarted comments made the past week or so…
10.
JULLE KON SE WAT JUL WIL MA WATSON GAN DIE JAAR DIE KOPPIE OM HOOG HOU!
Comment by skaap : October 2, 2006 @ 9:25 am
9.
Liefling will be the song of mourning at Loftus on Saturday. WP to weather the initial onslaught and then out think, out run, out pass and out score the one dimensional and limited huff puffs from the North. Down go the Smurfs, down, down.
Comment by 3rdday : October 6, 2006 @ 11:26 am
8.
I really can’t see the Bulls taking this one.
Their great improvement is akin to the Boks “comeback†against 1 grossly over-rated team and another game against a team that couldn’t give a damn because they’d already won.
WP’s backline has too much firepower, and the Bulls will be starved for possession all day with Luke showing Spies how it’s done.
What I’m saying, Supa, is that they may thrill your socks off when playing an outfit like the (disinterested) Cheetahs, or the (blowing hot/cold) Sharks, but when they come up against a professional, world-class squad like WP, the illusion gets shattered.
No-one’s blaming them for being sub-standard, it’s just the harsh truth.
Comment by Twig : October 3, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
7.
TSHWANE will be awash with a flood of tears on Saturday night, like sweet dew-drops from heaven. I’m gonna go out and let myself get absolutely soaking wet.
Comment by pierre : October 4, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
6.
Hoekom stry julle mense so baie. Dis ‘n uitgemaakte saak dis ‘n WP Vs Sharks final op Nuweland
Supa julle het Saterdag julle final gespeel. Dis 1 game te ver vir julle. Ons het julle dood gemaak op Nuweland. Se my wat het verander tussen dan en nou.
Comment by capeflatsboy : October 2, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
5.
Luke will prove Saturday that Spies is just a flash in the pan. Easy to be a hero when there is no pressure…..
fact is, province will beat the bulls on Saturday, and pretoria will be their sour old selves blaming the ref, luke watson cheating etc.
Comment by wp_cc_champs_07 : October 5, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
4.
I agree there is no Spies vs Watson fued, mainly because Spies does not even feature. Get real, the guy plays 2 good games, ever, against Cheetahs they only mentioned his name halfway through the 2nd half. He doesnt win balls, he doesnt ruck or maul, he doesnt scrum, what the hell does he do?
Spies isnt worth the ink they waste on him in the papers, he is the same as Jaco VDW and Ndungane, players made great by Die Beeld in Pretoria and not on the field.
Comment by WP-Man : October 2, 2006 @ 8:31 am
3.
Quinny – De Kock was ****… Stop trying to butter us WP okes up! Revenge at Newlands against the Sharks on the 14 Oct…
2006 WP Currie Cup Champs
2007 Stormers Super 14 champs…
Comment by bigg : October 5, 2006 @ 2:07 pm
2.
Biggest maych of their lives?
Please, the bulls don’t even deserve to be in the semis.
This is just a warm up match for the final.
A match against the Valke would have been a better challange.
Comment by Skim : October 3, 2006 @ 4:43 pm
Number one!
300,jurgens,well…you arent a wp speler,thank goodness!
half those ous at moftus wouldnot make the wp B team.we crave creativity down here not stale gunk.
Comment by macdaddy : September 29, 2006 @ 12:25 pm
9 Oct 2006, 09:38 am
kir, there are only a few contenders for higher honours in the Province pack. Luke, Diack and Francois vd Merwe.
9 Oct 2006, 09:39 am
thehef- same old **** different day. lol, how things goin boet?
9 Oct 2006, 09:39 am
can’t believe all these Watsons bashers are so close minded!! Luke had a good game behind a losing pack, if he is so **** how come he can side step the Bulls backline players to set up tries?? Sure he missed a tackle or two but so did Spies and just about everyone else.
you are all full of **** dissing Watson in one breath saying he doesn’t add lineout options (why do you need 5 options anyway I don’t know?? FS didn’t lose out on the weekend with only 2!!!) and then punt Floors who is even smaller than Watson. We are really lucky in this country to have a load of loosie options but nobody does the work that Watson does in stealing and slowing ball.
Loosie options for WC:
- Spies
- Watson
- Burger (still need to see if he will be teh same player after the injury as he will never be able to fly in like he used to)
- Smith
- Big Joe
Come on guys take your glasses off and give the guy his due!
9 Oct 2006, 09:39 am
More Supa, baie geluk ou grote!
9 Oct 2006, 09:40 am
Supa Die blu bul…wahahahahah shees really now….in awe of your archiving skills where do you get the time?
9 Oct 2006, 09:41 am
KIR, same old, same old. Flying back to SA tomorrow specially for the final in Bloem – must admit, I booked the ticket 3 weeks ago in a bet with my mate over here…
9 Oct 2006, 09:42 am
side_show_bob, great nic!!!
9 Oct 2006, 09:42 am
Hehehe Classic Supa.
9 Oct 2006, 09:43 am
i am so over luke watson move him to the spears or ler go play with jaco in japan peice of **** he is the most overrated rugby player in the country dunno what keo is on about . . . he is **** !!! floors, botes, diack, melck, Ryno vdm, brits, AJ ,rather these guys before watson
Watson will play with a new number on his back # cause he plays everywhere and no number could suit his play . . . HE IS **** !!! ******* Turkey
9 Oct 2006, 09:44 am
valjean,
weet jy met wie praat jy ou bees?
9 Oct 2006, 09:44 am
#396 So haal mense se grootbek-postings mens in ne….!
9 Oct 2006, 09:44 am
The hef
Gewone Blou Maandag, sukkel om aan die gang te kom na die naweek se hype.
saterdag gaan moers interessant wees, ek sien amper meer daarna uit as die WP/Bulle game!
Tony
Ek het jou ook gemail, Saterdag voor die game al. Sal later weer stuur, bietjie besig hier, dis mos nou weer vraestelle tyd, so ek boer met my neus tussen die boeke. Vervelige werk.
9 Oct 2006, 09:45 am
402- no wonder u were so nervous before the semi on sat. lets hope all our teams can carry this sort of form into the super 14 next year! we really need to win that trophy
9 Oct 2006, 09:45 am
bluebrab..
Met wie ?
9 Oct 2006, 09:46 am
Hello Pieterman, ja, ek het jou email gekry. Sterkte met die werk!!!
9 Oct 2006, 09:46 am
hehhe classic supa – arse licker to IG… Really funny post
9 Oct 2006, 09:47 am
Supa hierdie een hoort ook op jou top 10
Jam blikke, vis blikke 3 by 3. Ons is ons is weet julle wie? Ons gaan, ons gaan, kan julle raai? Ons gaan, ons gaan, die bulle op naai!
Comment by DieMikester : October 6, 2006 @ 2:46 pm
9 Oct 2006, 09:47 am
The hef
Jou gelukkige bokker! Ek wil ook nou ontsnap hier.
9 Oct 2006, 09:47 am
KIR, one problem in the S14 next year – the Sharks probably the only good travelling SA team, but then will probably lose against other SA teams over here… Our other teams struggle over there and win here. If we can be more consistent, we might have a fighting chance.
9 Oct 2006, 09:47 am
Why thank you Tony
9 Oct 2006, 09:48 am
405-rutherfoord- congrats boet u are the 10 000 person to post a comment this month and you win a fishing trip for the day in mozambique with luke watson!!
9 Oct 2006, 09:48 am
Helllllo Buddies,
See VERRRRRRY FEW WP supporters on the blog….we predicted that though!
To the galant WP supporters like Tony, Sremmie, pieterman….even Martin, thanks for the congrats!
Aan al my mede Bulle, dis foooookin lekker om ‘n bul te wees!!
Ek dink nie Watson het ‘n kak game gehad Saterdag nie…..maar Spies, Kuun, Lobberts, Rossouw was beter…omdat hulle vaste 5 die REAL WORK gedoen het! Gary Botha is ‘n farking awesome kaptein!
9 Oct 2006, 09:48 am
pieterman, gaan jy darem die finaal kan sien erens?
9 Oct 2006, 09:50 am
415- its goin to be interesting to see what players the sa teams sign for next year. we will probably see the sides picking a couple interesting overseas choices
9 Oct 2006, 09:51 am
Any names spring to mind KIR?
9 Oct 2006, 09:53 am
thehef,
What do you think about taking quite a few players with 7′s experience on tour.
Those guys play most of their rugby away from home and thus know the pressures of being away from home and getting on with the job?
9 Oct 2006, 09:54 am
watson is the msot over rated player in south african rugby history
he is a good player, a very good player midn you. however he is not great. south africa is blessed with the amount of loose forwards we posses.
Floors is a far better option at 6. far better. watson thinks he is a distributing midfielder half the time…slotting into inside centre and trying to throw long passes or put people into gaps. he makes far less tackles, turns over far less ball, and covers far less metres around the paddock that kabamba.
6. floors 7. smith 8. Spies
With burger to return to 6 when he is fully fit.
The best thing for south african rugby at the present time is to get over luke watson!! if jake picks him, great im sure he will do well…but i fully believe that their are much better flankers in the country!
9 Oct 2006, 09:54 am
watson het in my oppinie ‘n baie goeie game gehad. Jy kan hom nie met spies vergelyk, watson is ‘n fetcher en spies is ‘n ball carrier.
gepraat van fetchers, het julle vir kuun gesien? ek sê lankal hou die mannetjie dop, ‘n trio saterdag van kuun, lobberts en spies gaan die oranje manne besig hou.
hoekom kla julle wp manne so oor marius delport? is dit omdat hy die fidji-aan se naam gat gemaak het, of omdat hy bo-oor die hoogaangeskrewe corne uys gehardloop het?
9 Oct 2006, 09:54 am
RedC, that’s a very good point. The squads should be big enough to accommodate those guys…
9 Oct 2006, 09:55 am
421- i think the sharks will look for some depth at lock, flyhalf and centre. but i’d be making wild guesses if i were to try pick names. rassie had that samoan last year, the sharks had tony brown and wp have that fiji bloke. i’m sure the sides will again pick one or two overseas guys
9 Oct 2006, 09:56 am
thx grootblou, julle het dit verdien buddy…
9 Oct 2006, 09:57 am
I find it strange how no mention is made of Ryno vd Merwe. Week in week out the guy performs. He comes across as a hard grafter, doing the basics right and putting his body on the line every game. I’m not from the Free State, have always supported the Sharks (coz EP no longer feature!), but this guy does impress. He seems to actually play rugby with his head and has clearly learnt a lot under the guidance of Rassie.
Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t have much to say in the media, doesn’t highlight his hair, or doesn’t stick his tongue out to TV camera’s that he doesn’t make the grade and get more of a mention on rugby sites, but I do think he’d do extremely well in the bok mix. Imagine Spies, Burger, Smit etc being able to run wild, having a player like Ryno vd Merwe providing some control and rugby savvy from the base of the scrum.
9 Oct 2006, 09:58 am
Waar is Skimmie??
Julle moet sy oulike nuwe nick sien!!!!!!
Heheheheheheheh
9 Oct 2006, 09:58 am
I just don’t know where they’ll be from KIR. English players won’t because of the money, Aussies and Kiwis will rather play in their own country, Samoans play for NZ sides – who’s left? Fiji, Tonga, France maybe?
9 Oct 2006, 09:58 am
agree zorro. i’d pick him at 8 ahead of van nieker ect
9 Oct 2006, 09:59 am
#428 Zorro, I agree 100%. Hy is ‘n yster.
9 Oct 2006, 10:00 am
Bolla is ‘n opperste dooie drol…..het julle gesien hoe mock hy die skare, na sy drie!
Wat ‘n tospot!
9 Oct 2006, 10:01 am
Hey skiesi ek wil net gou **** waar is Madeleinki nou?! en ook dai klomp wat gesê het die bulle is moffies dis sad dit julle julle gatte teen i klomp “moffies” gesien het!
9 Oct 2006, 10:03 am
430- not to sure maybe also a couple argi forwards, anyway we can always live in hope that out sides could acquire a few really brilliant players
9 Oct 2006, 10:03 am
Well done GBs , die Bulle het dit verdien , en ek glo die twee sterkste spanne is in die finaal.
9 Oct 2006, 10:04 am
Hmm ekt respek vi jo Sremrots!
9 Oct 2006, 10:04 am
Perhaps if he moved to WP he’d get loads more articles written about him…
9 Oct 2006, 10:04 am
433,
en net daarna hardloop lobberts bo-oor hom
praat van “maak jou naam gat”
9 Oct 2006, 10:05 am
Hello Spermkots mater!
Dankie, julle span het hoop vir die toekoms!
Come on you other WP “kermgatte”, own up, eat humble pie!
9 Oct 2006, 10:05 am
Ja dit was ‘n gr8 try dai
9 Oct 2006, 10:06 am
gbs- are u a betting man? why not challenge a cheetah to change their nick after the final. imagine evecheetah having ‘spies se *****’ after his name
9 Oct 2006, 10:06 am
valjean,
jy is op n stadium gevang toe julle heeltemal te vinnig in n subaru gery het, en jy het n staaadige golf gery.
9 Oct 2006, 10:06 am
KIR, I forgot about the Argies. They have some quality players. With all the talent we have in SA, I just sometimes wonder why for example WP uses a Fijian winger? Don’t we have better SA nr 14′s somewhere?
9 Oct 2006, 10:08 am
KIR en gbs, ek is ‘n Cheetah fan…
9 Oct 2006, 10:08 am
KIR,
I am a betting man, but the final is a 50/50 game!!!!!
What the f…c happened to your Tjarkies, friend??
9 Oct 2006, 10:09 am
444- yeah u gotta feel for a guy like seconds. sometimes having overseas players helps and sometimes it doesnt, the sharks would not have finished as high as 5th without tony brown last year
9 Oct 2006, 10:09 am
Tony today is a good day for Povince bashing………naa our team does it on the field.
But I will be worried if I am a WP supporter with what Kobus is saying.
” Our training and training facilities is way behind that of the Bulls”
” We will have to look at our primary phases”
” Primary we get balls from turnovers and kicks from”
9 Oct 2006, 10:10 am
Steyn is a much better fullback than JP…..
Reads the play better, faster, bigger, stronger, kicks much much better and has a better step….
The Sharks should really keep Steyn there…..and then Russell and Ndungane should complete the back 3…..
Sharks look 10 times better when Russell comes on to the field…..and that was evident in every game……however….**** seems to see him as only an impact player….
9 Oct 2006, 10:10 am
Ja wie is daai ou wat die hele tyd die Bulle wou RAM , hy moet biekie askies kom se
9 Oct 2006, 10:10 am
To all the Bulls,
Congrats….you guys deserved to win and are worthy finalists.
Supa, ek kon nie my nick heeltemal verander soos bespreek nie. Dit het heeltyd gesê die naam is te lank. Hoop die een is ok.
Vir wat dit werd is… JP is my rolmodel, pappa en hero !!!!!!
En vir dié naweek….GO BULLS !!
9 Oct 2006, 10:10 am
Did Seconds break his hand / arm??
Sure looked like it!!
9 Oct 2006, 10:11 am
Keepin it real…
what a lovely prize if only you sending me to iraq with zuma aswell well then i would be the happiest okie alive . . . .
9 Oct 2006, 10:11 am
LMAO Kudu
9 Oct 2006, 10:12 am
Hehehehehe @ Kudu!!!
9 Oct 2006, 10:13 am
446- i’m a little embarrassed bout that game, i thought the bulls were goin to be to strong for province but i thought the other semi would be very close. right now i’m more interested in the springbok squad than finding out who will win on sat- what i mean by that is i don’t really mind who wins, both teams deserve it
9 Oct 2006, 10:13 am
Lets be serious…….Kabamba won’t make it…..he is 175cm and weight 83kg or something…….and we all know how obsessed White is with size….so there is no way he is gonna choose the lightest loose forward in international rugby……….
9 Oct 2006, 10:14 am
bluebarb, nou wat het dit met enige iets te doen. Jy lkan maar daai corsa van jou bring ****?? by the way ons pa sit in a metro police bussie traffic fine
9 Oct 2006, 10:15 am
capebull, you deserved the win. Well played to your team.
9 Oct 2006, 10:15 am
Hmmm, morning mate. I hope you’re wrong about Kabamba. He’ll make a great impact player for the Boks – fresh legs in the last 20 mins or so
9 Oct 2006, 10:16 am
white is going to pick the same old same old .. with a few new faces to keep the public a little later. These new faces will of course only go along for show and to hold bags.
9 Oct 2006, 10:16 am
Keo
On July 24th you had a thread asking:”Is the Bulls era over?” and we had stupid comments like this:
YES,THE BULLS ARE FINISHED,GONE,OUT,GOODBYE,THIS CC WILL SHOW,THEY ARE THE HAS BEENS OF S.A RUGBY..
Comment by shark bok : July 24, 2006 @ 9:45 pm
I would just like to answer your question – with time all answers come.
Last year the bulls were finalists in al 5 divisions – amateur, women, 0/19, 0/21, senior. We won 3 out of 5 final.
This year we won the 0/18 craven week. Our women also have already won the cup. Our 0/19, 0/21, amateurs and senior team are in the finals again. Thus, 2 cups already and 4 finals to be played. So, to come back to your question, is the bulls era over?
Certainly not, the Bulls era – has just begun!
9 Oct 2006, 10:16 am
hmmm- do u think white is obsessed with size cos he has a very small winky
9 Oct 2006, 10:17 am
bluebarb
Jy het gevra weet ek met wie ek praat? ‘n scooby driver?
9 Oct 2006, 10:17 am
I do believe Lobberts will go with, for experience how to control his anger/aggression alla Schalk Burger, doubt he will play though……which will be good cozz he can take that experience to the S14 and grow it further against the best in the southern hemi….
9 Oct 2006, 10:17 am
i have no axe to grind with any WP fans, except those two wankers from Friday, Twig, and wp..2007CCChamps or whatever his stupid nick was.
oh and Macdaddy can kiss my hairy ***.
that being said, you wont hear this Bull shout the odds too loudly this week. The trip to bloem could potentially be a harrowing one… Its going to take a special effort and 100% concentration and discipline will beat passion on the day, methinks.
9 Oct 2006, 10:17 am
Kobus must realise 15man rugby differs from Rugby league and 7′s in the sense that 15man rugby code you have scrums and lineouts get a decent T5 compete and then win big games.
9 Oct 2006, 10:17 am
Supa – keo also wrote a news24 column a few weeks back saying the bulls would win…….whats your point ?
9 Oct 2006, 10:19 am
Nice Kudu!
9 Oct 2006, 10:20 am
val,
scooby driver se gat.
het jy al jou tux ge-organize?
9 Oct 2006, 10:20 am
#310
halfgk
Go and have a look again who knocked the ball out of Luke Watson’s hands when the Bulls scored their second try.
9 Oct 2006, 10:20 am
hehe….maybe kir….
9 Oct 2006, 10:21 am
#310
halfgk
Go and have a look again who knocked the ball out of Luke Watson’s hands when the Derick Kuun scored the Bull’s second try.
9 Oct 2006, 10:21 am
462
goeie antwoord supa.
dit is die jaar ook die 5de jaar in ‘n ry dat die o19 en 021 en senior span in die finaal is.
o19 en 021 het dit nog elke jaar gewen (in 2002 het o21 gedeel met leeus).
die strukture is gesond in blou bul land.
9 Oct 2006, 10:21 am
bluebarb,
Nee maar het ‘n nuwe suit. Laat Donald Trump kak lyk, vlieg kaarjie en accom gebook….Het jy die ring?
9 Oct 2006, 10:23 am
ig
If you can read, you’ll understand my point. Ek mik nie my post na keo nie – ek mik dit na almal wat ons afgeskryf het.
Keo
I also want to hand it to you – you called everything three weeks ago – you said Bulls would beat cheetahs but they would get a bonuspoint, and you predicted the sharks and wp would lose – everything is right up to the final – hope your final prediction is also correct.
9 Oct 2006, 10:24 am
Tony #391
Spot on… I think that combination has huge potential. I had my doubts with Sies at No 8, but he seems to have all the answers and could really develope into a really classical No 8, with the added bonus of speed. As Keo says ( I cant believe I am actually saying this), but provide a platform with a solid tight 5… and we may really have unrevelled a potent pack
On a separate note, I have really been unimpressed with the state of the CC this year, but I am not sure if I am the only one who picked this up, but the standard really moved up a notch this weekend
1 Free State were sublime, playing an expansive, attacking game with a really rampant pack. Why o why did it take them soooo long to adapt a game plan to the players they have at their disposal???
2 The Frikking Bulls even started thinking instead of playing theur usual “Moer en gaan duur/oor alles Stampcar” diatribe. I really think that Spies has a lot to do with their step up. A Bulls forward with a really good rugby brain… unexplored territory?? I just hope their new style of play doesnt confuse too much of their support!!
3 To me no disgrace in Province losing, based on the way they played, as well as how good the Bulls really were. 3 silly mistakes led to 3 tries… game over. I remain encouraged about the type of rugby they are trying to play and hope they build on the platform they have created
4 The Sharks… the only disappointment of the weekend. They were diabolical… nuff said
Maybe their is a glimmer of hope for the EOYT…
9 Oct 2006, 10:25 am
Agreed 471…..WP scrummed the Bulls back in that scrum (so wp were going forward)…..Luke picked the ball up and the Spies tackled Watson and dislodged the ball…..JP ran through, picked the ball up and passed to Kuun for his second……
9 Oct 2006, 10:26 am
Zorro, Ryno is too short and should consider playing hooker.
9 Oct 2006, 10:29 am
If Jake could only swallow his pride the backrow combination of Watson, Smith and Spies could be devastating – the Poms must be laughing up their sleeves at the prospect of facing Solly T instead!
9 Oct 2006, 10:30 am
I really don’t think Luke had such a bad game. He stood out for WP, althought they played some ordinary rugby for 3/4 of the game. Luke is a good player. World class by any standard. He is a bit arrogant though, but he is definantly NOT a liability to any squad that utilises him. He is in the backline alot, yes, but he does good work when he is there. I mean, he set up two tries and almost scored one himself. Luke has stood out in just about every game he has played this season. People are just tired of hearing how good he really is.
9 Oct 2006, 10:30 am
whoop whoop Bulle is baas.
dum dum Wp is kaas.
9 Oct 2006, 10:32 am
once again WP is let down by their refusal to face up to the fact that they HAVE to invest ina solid tight 5 and a decent Pivot. the last time WP featured in the CC was when they had a settled, decisive 10, and a strong, driving tight 5. their obsession with flashy rugby will cost them dearly if they dont have some decent backup.
its like having a car with huge KW but no torque.
it can do 300kph, but takes 25 min to get to 100kph…
9 Oct 2006, 10:33 am
BTW no matter how much talent young Steyn has, I dont see him having the correct temperament or decision making capabilities.
How many times did he kick possesion away when the SHarks were looking for tries?
Seems that this might be a prerequisite for Jake, if a guy kicks away possession he is in with a shot.
9 Oct 2006, 10:35 am
477, Bod, good post.
9 Oct 2006, 10:36 am
Dankie vir die 10 punte Luke – jy was ons beste speler en wp se beste agterlyn speler! Maar jy het hard probeer, ek sal dit vir jou gee!
Spies het Watson lekker gehand-off en toe reg oor Naas Olivier gehardloop!
Bolla die skare lekker probeer skrik maak en n minuut later is Lobberts regoor hom vir n drie!
Delport, mooi man, jyt Uys lekker gewys die bus is vol!
Wp het n slegter jaar as laasjaar. Hulle het swakker in die nuwe superreeks gedoen en dieselfde plek in die ccup geeindig!
Ek het julle hele laasweek gese – WP het nie BMT nie en dat hulle WEER in die semi gaan vasval!
9 Oct 2006, 10:36 am
Redcard (479) – that was pretty sharp dude!
Do think the guy would really bring stability and a thinker to a Bok backrow.
9 Oct 2006, 10:36 am
RedCard,
What was teh game plan there?? Was so frustrating to watch luckily i was watching at someone elses house I had to bite my lip a few times %^*& Sh*t B&TCh *^*()@
9 Oct 2006, 10:37 am
477:
Do you think that Campo is still being bored by the Cheetahs?
9 Oct 2006, 10:37 am
Agree Redcard, i am not sure he is the way forward and realistically carrying tackle bags must be a most un-inspiring way to start a Bok career.
What i would like to hear is waht the selectors and Bok mangement plans are for this tour – are we growing our bok playing pool, are we going for a 3 out of three. Why not communicate the goals of the tour to the public……
And personally i don’t think Jake has the balls to think out of the box.
9 Oct 2006, 10:37 am
Lte’s assume that the two best teams in the competition made to the finals. (I still do not know how the Cheeters made it considering that their only asset is their coach))
If there is any justice and/or sanity left in this world Jonathan Kaplan should be officiating in the final. I can see Mondays headlines allready and it doesn’t look good to the Bulls.
Anyway well probably get one of the weekends referees again which means the Bulls should take it easily. Even JC will not blow against the Bulls.
9 Oct 2006, 10:40 am
…..500
9 Oct 2006, 10:41 am
Look the Sharks did not deserve to win saterday i agree. But eish I don’t want to sound like a lion supporter….THE REF….at one stage I thought he owre a cheetah jersey????
9 Oct 2006, 10:42 am
Hierdie Francois Steyn lyk nie na iets spesiaal vir my nie…
9 Oct 2006, 10:43 am
494 Missed vital tackle that cost us a try…then he played better..Wheres the days of Joubert???
9 Oct 2006, 10:43 am
Môre supa,
ek sien die wp-maane kla en kerm klaar oor marius,
hy word ook nou gebrandmerk as ‘n vuilgat,
die outjie weet hoe om te finish
9 Oct 2006, 10:44 am
Ig,490, his balls shouldn’t really be thinking outside the box, at this stage it would make more sense putting them in a vice grip.
9 Oct 2006, 10:44 am
Wat was daai arme blou bul speler wat so 2-3 jaar terug in ‘n motor ongeluk oorlede is se naam? Ook Francois Steyn?
9 Oct 2006, 10:45 am
Ig, and Jake thinking outside the box, really means “kicking the ball down the oppositions throat” as opposed to kicking it into the ‘box’
9 Oct 2006, 10:45 am
#493,
ja fortuin was kak en ook die manier hoe hy met die spelers praat is onaanvaarbaar
9 Oct 2006, 10:46 am
Francois “Swys” Swart
9 Oct 2006, 10:46 am
boomer,
francois swart
9 Oct 2006, 10:46 am
500
9 Oct 2006, 10:46 am
Howzit Supa, enjoy the gloating – this time next week I bet you’re not so windgat!
Well done Bulls, the better team won on the day no doubt. I think you will have a tougher game this week though, no Hofmeyer to stir the crowd – who will be mainly oranje!
Please please please will someone sort out that mediocre litte wingat winger Marius Delport! Who exactly does the litte poephole think he is? If Johan Ackerman deserved his yellow card in the other game then Delport should’ve been sent off for 2 similar yellow card offences.
9 Oct 2006, 10:46 am
from unbiased Lions suppoter- From this weekends was very impressed with Fortuin, Floors and Spies.
Not sure what the hype is with Russel, he was thrown around like a rag doll I see why he isnt first choice for Sharks, Watson ….well on that performace alone floors must be ahead of him on JW tour list.
9 Oct 2006, 10:46 am
Ettienne Botha
9 Oct 2006, 10:47 am
493.
I have to agree with you on that point – it really seemed like evrything went wrong for the Sharks – and the ref did make a lot of 50/50 call in favour of OVS.
Hey, that is the game – the ball didn’t bounce for WP on saturday, its just the way it is.
9 Oct 2006, 10:47 am
finmaster’s bitter rants gives me such sublime pleasure its almost sinful. i can sense your pain and frustration and helplessness. you are so pathetic that i cannot even feel sorry for you.
you give decent sharks fans such a bad name.
stop blaming the ref/phase of the moon/weather/Dicks menstrual cycle/Barrit’s hairdresser for what was a fair game. your team did well but you are a disgrace.
why dont you go find a hole and crawl into it?
9 Oct 2006, 10:49 am
hmmm
I agree that Lobberts must learn the art of controlled aggression. That ‘s why he’s an excellent impact player and not a starter, one must applaud the Bulls for using him like that.
Remember Schalks first year with about 50 yellow cards. Every one forgets that Spies has been involved in 2 years of S14/S12.
The whole WP wants Diack in the bok team, I say let him play S14 first ( he disapeared with “the Dentist” on saturday)
Pick new players for the tour yes but pick players with s14 experience.
9 Oct 2006, 10:49 am
well said Zorro – very good point
9 Oct 2006, 10:49 am
What did Marius Delport do to piss you all off?
9 Oct 2006, 10:50 am
507 agreed.
9 Oct 2006, 10:51 am
511. His hair cut…wahaha
9 Oct 2006, 10:51 am
481, spies_is_king, spot on buddy. Great post and I agree completely.
Like I said earlier, instead of saying spies is so much better let`s rather see the possibilities in playing them together. I personally think they compliment each other and will be untouchable together.
9 Oct 2006, 10:51 am
Barb
Once again, I felt some of those call from the ref were dodgy at best – the yellow card? I don’t know that it deserved a sin bin – if it did, about half the team should have been carded later in the game.
I hope the sharks can pick themselves up and continue building what they started this year – same goes for WP.
See you guys in the S14…
9 Oct 2006, 10:51 am
Finmaster, you were watching a different game to the one I was if you think the Cheetahs didn’t deserve to win!
Of the 4 teams in the semis your lot were the biggest disappointment. The Cheetahs ran you ragged and killed the game off in the 1st half because they were better organised and seemed hungrier for the win than the Sharks. Disappointing considering the raw talent in your backline.
9 Oct 2006, 10:52 am
capebull,
RE Diack, the same goes for guys like Jaco Pretorius, Aplon, Francois Steyn, etc etc.
9 Oct 2006, 10:52 am
#511
he ran over corne uys and sidestep the fidji oke too easily, he made them look like school children, now they hate him
9 Oct 2006, 10:53 am
The Bulls have put up posters ( of Ollie smoking his sigar ) at Loftus , this is going to be a great game.
Cheetas have the ability to play with backs and forwards.
I think that the Lions would have put up a better show that the Sharkies. ( **** slim vang sy baas )
9 Oct 2006, 10:53 am
val,
alles is ge-organise, van die ring to n sigaar vir op die strand voor die tyd vir n bietjie “courage”
9 Oct 2006, 10:53 am
hehehe
Supa
i like your attitude
It will be tuff
9 Oct 2006, 10:54 am
Lots of off-the-ball nonsense Boomer. Even Joel Stransky commented on it!
He reminds me of a playground bully who is all mouth when his tjommies are with him. Would love to see Barend Pieterse rub his insignificant little face into the Bloem dirt this weekend!
9 Oct 2006, 10:55 am
I have found a few Afrikaans sayings….
Luke is so kort hy weet nie of dit keelseer of aambeie is nie.
9 Oct 2006, 10:56 am
Hello OO,
Jy kry nou-nou jou Quote!
Tuff game tussen ons spanne in die final!!
9 Oct 2006, 10:56 am
bluebarb,
He he> Cool dis al waaroor my ma praat. Sy het my al 4 keer gevra: ” Het jy jou vlug gebook?” Ek sal die jack daniels bring.
9 Oct 2006, 10:56 am
every team has a chop. WP has Bolla, States have Phillip Burger, we have Delport, Sharks have, uhm well, take your pick.
daar is altyd n drol in die drinkwater..
9 Oct 2006, 10:57 am
Luke is so kort jy kan sy skoene op sy id foto sien.
9 Oct 2006, 10:57 am
Luke ìs so kort hy slaan tot sy onderbroek se pype om.
9 Oct 2006, 10:59 am
“Die Bulle voel nou so goed, hulle vul sommer die lottonommers verkeerd in.”
9 Oct 2006, 10:59 am
Bolla’s Boo(almost fell off the couch laughing) reminded me of Tinus Delport on Ellispark against the Crusaders just before the crusader came back from a 27 – 0 behind and shock the lions….Justin Marshall a legend…
9 Oct 2006, 11:00 am
jonny,
while Barend grinds Delport, Fondse will be moering Phillip “Swandive” Burger on the other side of the field?
9 Oct 2006, 11:00 am
Thnks groot blou
Yip
this is the business end
9 Oct 2006, 11:00 am
“Almal kry die voorreg om onnosel te wees, net jammer WP/Sharks maak misbruik daarvan.”
9 Oct 2006, 11:00 am
Ig , Keo
Where can we buy tickets online for the final??
Computicket does not seem to feature the game??
9 Oct 2006, 11:00 am
I think that Jake should look at Derick Hougaard and Meyer Bosman for this tour.
Derick has BMT.
There is no point to pick a guy that has played 1 decent game for the Sharks against WP.( He was shocking against Bulls.)
9 Oct 2006, 11:00 am
508# Bluebarb, what you smoking boet, I am calling it as I see it, get of your high horse and go back to the farm. I did not blame anybody for the Sharls loss, I am merely saying that a team of nobodys like the Cheetahs should not be in the finals.
PS Paul Kruger wants his mustache back.
9 Oct 2006, 11:01 am
En dan was daar …Bolla(tantrum)Conradie…
As Bolla ge-tackle word …gooi hy ‘n tantrum..!
As Bolla ‘n drie druk …dan gooi hy ‘n tantrum..!
He he he …!
9 Oct 2006, 11:01 am
Did enjoy doing the macarena to Rassies coloured paddles.
9 Oct 2006, 11:01 am
luke is so klein sy check-hemp het net plek vir een blokkie.
9 Oct 2006, 11:02 am
Congrats all Cheetahs fans!
I think we were pretty lucky not to concede more points against the Cheetahs…the way we played in the 1st half reminded me of a certain 63-6 drubbing by the Bulls in the early nineties… I wish the Boks could play like the Cheetahs – crisp, fast passing, good running on to the ball, very few handling errors, watertight defense & how refreshing to see a DISCIPLINED SA team for once! For the first time in my life I was embarrassed to be a Sharks fan with all the off-the-ball incidents. These guys are all pros & surely they know the consequence of their indisciplined actions??? I think it was a Cheetahs ploy to bait & wind-up the Sharks players, given their reputation. Very sneaky & ingenious, I must say…cause it certainly worked!
JC Fortuin was cr!p, but to place the blame on him for our defeat is taking it too far. His main problem seems to stem from his wanting to conduct the entire game – & his self-importance. This guy must never be allowed to referee international games, as he’s clearly not up to scratch. As for L. Manuels, he’s even more of an embarrassment. Clearly incompetent.
Looking ahead to the S14, I’m a little nervous for the Sharks. Yes we have the “ideal” draw, but if **** doesn’t sort the following out it could become the draw from hell:
1) DISCIPLINE (has been shocking most of the season)
2) Defense – esp in the backline. Sharks have leaked a number of soft tries…
3) Handling (has not been up to scratch)
4) Stop trying to mind games (this is for ****, cause he sucks at it!)
Also well done Blue Bulls on beating WP. Looking forward to watching the final as a neutral…
9 Oct 2006, 11:02 am
“Luke is so lelik, as sy op die sand sit wil die katte haar toekrap..”
9 Oct 2006, 11:03 am
Francoise Steyn is an excellent prospect, as are Floors, Lobberts and Ralepelle. I’d give Steyn a run at flyhalf outside Pienaar. I’d also take Butch James to cover for flyhalf and inside centre. It’s pointless taking Paulse. Yes he did have an excellent game last time out, but was largely anonymous in the earlier games over the summer and is, quite frankly, too slow these days. Whatever happened to Shandre Frolick? He looked an absolute corker at full back until he got injured. If he’s fit, why not let him travel to acquaint himself with the squad…after all, in previous end-of-year tours there’s always been at least one fellow traveller.
9 Oct 2006, 11:04 am
536..Yes the cheetahs only have the player that has scored the most points in the cc for the last two years???? MMMMM
9 Oct 2006, 11:04 am
finmaster,
why dont you come wash my car next week. its not like your team will be playing rugby or anything..
9 Oct 2006, 11:04 am
“Die mens is op aarde geplaas om ‘n sekere hoeveelheid werk te doen. Op die oomblik is Supa so ver agter met die tyd wat hy op keo spandeer hy sal nooit dood gaan nie.”
9 Oct 2006, 11:06 am
And Francois Steyn should NOT be picked for the Boks on the EOYT!!! He will be a Bok in the future, but he still has loads to learn! Were they not referring to Morne Steyn instead? I think we need to take someone with a little more experience along for the EOYT as back up for AP… dare I say Hougaard/De Waal?
BTW, there is a rumour circulating in Natal that Butch is considering retiring…
9 Oct 2006, 11:06 am
Ons kannie almal helde wees nie, iemand moet langs die pad staan en hande klap – Luke….
9 Oct 2006, 11:06 am
540. Agree with what you saying. Maybe out poor backline defense is caused by Campese? Remember the days of Johan Mullers HUGE tackles..
9 Oct 2006, 11:07 am
544 LOL
9 Oct 2006, 11:07 am
542 Shandre Frolick???
Let him actually start a game for the senior WP squad before making him a Bok FFS!!!
9 Oct 2006, 11:07 am
Luke is dumb he failed a survey
9 Oct 2006, 11:07 am
quinny,
well done lad, your team had a great run and will def. feature in the S14. Steyn has a lot of growing up to do but will be a superstar.
9 Oct 2006, 11:08 am
GBS – not sure i will make some enquiries – i suspect that they had no idea who was in the final that there will be a short delay while they load it on to the system. i am sure it will appear.
9 Oct 2006, 11:08 am
Bluebarb, if you had anything to do with the Bulls team being in the final I would gladly wash your car, you are merely one of the blue drones that fit the stereotypical profile that I can fit to any bulls fan.
Anyway your team won’t be playing next week either. hahahaahahahaha
9 Oct 2006, 11:08 am
Morning Quinny, good point about the S14. One thing that the Sharks DO have for them in the S14 is their travelling mentality. Best touring team of all the SA teams if I’m not mistaken…
9 Oct 2006, 11:09 am
?
9 Oct 2006, 11:09 am
548
Well…..Campo was never know as a great defender when he played…..
Perhaps the onus is more on attack then defense in the Sharks camp?
9 Oct 2006, 11:10 am
Thanks Ig,
We want to assemble a Bulls muppit group to go on a bus to Bloem………
Heard that Bulls muppits….we might already have the 15 seater bus all sorted!
9 Oct 2006, 11:10 am
I think we(SHARKS) have a better record away than at home.
9 Oct 2006, 11:11 am
AJ’s captaincy had a lot to do with the Sharks resurgence. calm, decisive leadership is what they need. they have hugely talented players, and a great coach. you have to accept that if you plsy high risk rugby that sometimes you will pay the price. I think they did great this season.
As did the Lions, it was a great CC and the top 5 teams can take huge pride in their efforts.
9 Oct 2006, 11:11 am
Was Paulse not anonymous in the earlier part of the season because he wasn’t playing?
I think its difficult to make an impact if you arent on the field…
9 Oct 2006, 11:11 am
Quinny….but he did play better than JP in my opinion….
He read the play better (more in pos), he kicks loads better, he is faster, has a better step, etc…..
I think your back 3 should be Steyn, Odwa and Russell…..but if Butch is retiring then I would play Russell at 10 with Steyn as goal kicker fullback…..
Odwa, JP, Adi can then fight it out for the two wing pos……
9 Oct 2006, 11:12 am
555
But if Sharks start their S14 campain with a few home defeats (as could well be the case, seeing how they finished the season) they could struggle abroad. Winning in Australia/NZ will depend on them transferring some sort of home form over there, as well as momentum. Any sort of negativity & they will struggle.
9 Oct 2006, 11:12 am
gbs, ons sal vir seker saam ietsie moet drink op die Castle Deck na die tyd, of hoe? Jy kan die Cheetah rugby-unie ook bel vir kaartjies as ek dit nie mis het nie, andersins iemand in Bloem vra – blykbaar was daar al honderde mense in die toue vanoggend by die stadion.
9 Oct 2006, 11:13 am
The Cheetahs fans seem to want to take a leaf out of the Bulls fans books, they have a sea of orange flags on the stands week in and week out.
9 Oct 2006, 11:13 am
Should be a good mission GBS….if i find something on tickets i will mail you.
Can i help katman ?
9 Oct 2006, 11:13 am
Luke Watson was the worst loose forward on display this past weekend… how does someone like that become captain of a great team like Province, he doesn’t even deserve a place on the bench…
9 Oct 2006, 11:13 am
finmaste,
describe me then. what am i like? there is a independent (sharksfan) muppit here who know me rather well.
have a go, what am i like, cockchops?
9 Oct 2006, 11:14 am
Pretoria rugby fans who want to go to Bloemfontein for the Blue Bulls/Free State Cheetahs Currie Cup final on Saturday face disappointment. Only a small percentage of tickets have been allocated to the visiting team and its fans.
On top of that, hoteliers and guesthouse owners in the Free State capital say most accommodation has been booked already.
It’s the Bulls’ fifth consecutive Currie Cup final and rugby fever hit Pretoria hard at the weekend after the local team’s exciting 45-30 win over Western Province.
The championship match five days away has been billed as a grudge final – no one has forgotten that the Bulls agonisingly lost to the Cheetahs in 2005′s Cup final at Loftus Versfeld.
But Vodacom Park in Bloemfontein has a capacity of just 38 000
The atmosphere in town on Saturday night – in the pubs, in the streets, at the braais – was electric.
But Vodacom Park in Bloemfontein has a capacity of just 38 000 – much smaller than Loftus – making tickets difficult to come by.
Blue Bulls Rugby Union acting CEO Barend van Graan said local fans wanting to attend the final “should rather contact people they know in Bloemfontein and ask them to get tickets, than try and obtain tickets through us”.
“The Cheetahs will supply a small number of tickets to us, but these will be taken up by the families of the four teams playing there on the day, and by staff and clubs,” Van Graan said.
“We don’t know how many we will be given, but we would advise people to phone anyone you know in Bloemfontein to secure a ticket, as we are unlikely to have any for the public.”
‘We don’t know how many we will be given’
Bloemfontein guesthouse owner Johan de Waal said on Sunday night that requests for rooms have flooded in since Saturday.
“We’ve got problems; we don’t have enough rooms,” De Waal said. “We had people booked in for the game at the weekend and they immediately booked their rooms again for the coming weekend. We also had people after the game who came directly from the rugby to book rooms for next weekend.
“It’s the same everywhere… even people who come to Bloemfontein to visit family at the hospital, which is near us, are not finding accommodation.”
The Bulls will be sending a large contingent of players and officials to Bloemfontein as the province has no fewer than four teams contesting finals this weekend.
The women have already led the way in collecting the first silverware of the year by winning the national women’s rugby title – and the Blue Bulls Under-21 team will face the Lions in their age group final, while the Under-19 team face Western Province in their age-group final and the Bulls amateur side, who finished unbeaten in their pool games, face the Leopards.
All these games are also set to be played in the Free State capital, which faces an invasion of blue.
But the main focus is on the senior Bulls, who will be intent on setting the record straight against the Cheetahs.
On Sunday, Bulls coach Pote Human said: “I haven’t really had time to enjoy what we achieved on Saturday. I’m already worried about the final.
“We did very well but we haven’t won yet; we still have a very tough match on Saturday.
“If you think that five weeks ago we were almost out of the competition… now to be in a final; it’s wonderful and an indescribable feeling.”
The match is likely to capture the imagination of the entire country.
“We have accepted that the whole of Bloemfontein will be covered with orange and we will face not just the Cheetahs but the entire city.”
This article was originally published on page 1 of Pretoria News on October 09, 2006
9 Oct 2006, 11:14 am
Quinny
For sure. We always have these useless guys that ok on attack but suck in defense. Deon Kayser, Jacobs, Ricardo Loubser….
9 Oct 2006, 11:14 am
gblou
Die enigste manier hoe om kaartjies te kry van hier is by Checkers – ek is ernstig! Dit staan so by die bulls website. Ek het vroeer die jaar vir die s14 by checkers gekoop.
9 Oct 2006, 11:14 am
Quinny the Sharks will struggle period. They have no chance of winning in NZ or Aus. They did not even deserve to be the Currie Cup semis. Should have been the Lions… I love watching the Sharks get fucked up…
9 Oct 2006, 11:14 am
Carla Jane, gaan speel eerder pop. Die grootmense gesels hier.
9 Oct 2006, 11:15 am
finmaster
You sure you not a Lions supporter?
9 Oct 2006, 11:15 am
Luke wouldn’t even be able to steal a ball if her name was on the ball and her neck chained to it…
9 Oct 2006, 11:16 am
C-arla
J-ane
they don’t call me detective kir for nothing
9 Oct 2006, 11:16 am
thehef,
Man, ek wil sommer online bestel, betaal, klaarkry…..kan nie in toue gaan staan nie, ken ook nie iemand so goed in Bloem om vir ure vir my in toue te staan nie!
As ons daar is vir die game drink ons verseker iets op Castle deck!
9 Oct 2006, 11:16 am
gbs, stuur vir my jou mailadres – kan jou dalk help
9 Oct 2006, 11:17 am
Carla jane
The Watson subject was half an hour ago
9 Oct 2006, 11:17 am
Again, this weekend I realised something about Luke; she’s too slow for this level of rugby, how did Spies and Kie not beat her to the breakdown? Also, she runs sideways just like Bolla
9 Oct 2006, 11:18 am
576
LOL KIR – I was about to also suggest that Carla Jane’s surname is Venter!
9 Oct 2006, 11:19 am
KIR, you sharp one. Old CJ doing the Luke-thing again…
9 Oct 2006, 11:19 am
I am a LIONS supporter…LIONS BO!
9 Oct 2006, 11:19 am
…besides, Spies is really cute and is a man, or do we pick Luke only to make up our quota of females?
9 Oct 2006, 11:19 am
More Supa
Baie geluk met julle oorwinning. Julle was beslis
die beter span. Het Saterdag op Loftus tot die slotsom gekom dat ek nooit teen my geliefde WP sal kan skree nie. Van nou af as daar n wedstryd
tussen Bulle en WP is, bly ek by die huis!
9 Oct 2006, 11:20 am
the hef
Yawn
9 Oct 2006, 11:20 am
wats up quinny, do the think the sharks are gonna get some overseas guys for the super14? tony brown had quite an impact last year
9 Oct 2006, 11:20 am
Bluebarb, yeah, yeah I have better ways to spend a monday morning than trying to take the piss out of you, anyway anything I would have to say probably only sound like sour grapes.
9 Oct 2006, 11:21 am
#586 – ?
9 Oct 2006, 11:22 am
Yes, my surname is Venter, as in AJ and Andre. I could not handle our green and gold jersey being besmirched by the greasy attitude of fLuke (watermelon farmer) Whatson… Let’s just Keo gets over his crush on her…
9 Oct 2006, 11:22 am
the hef
Yes CJ is boring us all..
9 Oct 2006, 11:22 am
572
Replace “Sharks” with Western Province in your post & you have my feelings…
9 Oct 2006, 11:23 am
thehef,
legaleasy@xsinet.co.za
9 Oct 2006, 11:23 am
carla why on earth do you think Luke is useless? Did you maybe once ask for his autograph and he said no??? Sour grapes?
9 Oct 2006, 11:24 am
My predictions came true: Luke was outplayed in all departments on Saturday, and WP lost because they have him as player and captain.
My prediction is that within a year, she won’t make the WP squad and even Keo will realise that she was just a puppet of the media.
9 Oct 2006, 11:24 am
587
No news about Tony Brown. I dunno if perhaps that’s maybe not a blessing? Why spend millions on these guys if we only have them for part of the season. Although their is a case for the Sharks requiring experience – especially in the backline!
9 Oct 2006, 11:25 am
CJ
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned – and i am not speaking about luke…
9 Oct 2006, 11:25 am
GBS,
ek sal verseker belang stel in daai trippie bloem toe,
hoe kan ek jou kontak?
9 Oct 2006, 11:25 am
I think Carla had a one night stand with Watson and he never called
9 Oct 2006, 11:25 am
Bolla must be the biggest idiot playing rugby today.
9 Oct 2006, 11:26 am
I think Carla Jane was batted by Luke – hence the angst in her posts.
Chocolate Milkshake > Carla Jane (in Luke’s opinion)
9 Oct 2006, 11:26 am
599, like i said in 597…
9 Oct 2006, 11:26 am
This site desperately needs spicing up.
It needs a “Babe of the day”.
I nominate Carla Jane as the inaugural BOTD. The photo spread could be interesting.
9 Oct 2006, 11:26 am
Wp lost cause they think they all like captain courageous…i can do it on my own.
9 Oct 2006, 11:27 am
596- i’m not saying we must sign brown specifically (without him we would not have finished as high as 5th though) but i think the sharks are lacking depth at lock, flyhalf and centre
9 Oct 2006, 11:28 am
Cane
Im not to sure we want to see a photo of her/it
9 Oct 2006, 11:28 am
WP lost because Luke tried to play all 15 positions (except lock). Perhaps if Greeff had been allowed to play inside centre…
9 Oct 2006, 11:28 am
Of the bulls website:
Tickets for Saturday’s Absa Currie Cup final between the Vodacom Blue Bulls and the Vodacom Free State Cheetahs will be available at Shoprite-Checkers stores.
No tickets will be on sale at Loftus Versfeld.
For more information, contact the Free State Rugby Union at (051) 407 1700. Prices are R200 for tickets on the grand stand, R150 on the open stand and R50 for scholars.
9 Oct 2006, 11:28 am
Shosoloza,
My mail addie is op # 593!!
9 Oct 2006, 11:29 am
Quinny, the Sharks played like a bunch of schoolboys who had lost their girlfriends, to much aggresion and absolutely no common sense, they deserved the hiding they got.
9 Oct 2006, 11:29 am
jees carla you can talk allot of ****…
9 Oct 2006, 11:29 am
No 550…Before he was injured, Nick Mallett suggested that he was ready to fast-track Frolick because he was such a good prospect. I’m not suggesting that he should play for the Boks just yet, simply that participation in a tour is quite a good way of introducing an extremely talented youngster to the Bok set-up and the rest of the squad. Every other country does it.
No 561…Your comment simply confirms my point. Paulse did play, albeit mainly as a sub, but you obvously didn’t notice.
9 Oct 2006, 11:30 am
hehe Phoeboe
Geluk vir Dewald hulle ook! Hoop jy gaan Bloem toe op hom te ondersteun! Dan kan jy maar vir die bulle sommer in die senior finaal ook skree! Het al die hulp nodig daar wat ons kan kry!
9 Oct 2006, 11:31 am
Jees like it Free State stadium will packed with wall to wall dutchmen on Saturday… LOL
9 Oct 2006, 11:32 am
KIR
Agreed. Centre is a big problem, as there’ve been huge defensive leaks there. Any candidates?
I wish the Sharks had bought Hendrik Meyer. He’s been one of my standouts – even when he was playing for the Pumas. Even Ronnie Cooke, seeing as though he was on the market. Will be hard to raid the Cheetahs, seeing as though they seem to have our number
9 Oct 2006, 11:32 am
bigg,
Is’nt it great….wall to wall quality “********”!!
Dis lekker om ‘n Bul & “********” te wees!
9 Oct 2006, 11:33 am
It is sad, but the Bulls will easily beat the Cheetahs. There will be no repeats of last year, the best team will take it this time.
9 Oct 2006, 11:34 am
610
I agree. I really do not understand why **** started with Botes ahead of Keegan. Daniels will never be a top player if he continues with that attitude. How many yellow cards has he received this season? The Sharks should punish him by fining him part of his match fee – maybe then he’ll learn.
9 Oct 2006, 11:35 am
groot – i mean it in a friendly way…
9 Oct 2006, 11:36 am
bigg,
I also mean my answer in a friendly way….you would have known all about it if I was not that friendly!
9 Oct 2006, 11:36 am
Bigg,
The Dutchmen know how to play and enjoy rugby…!
He he he ..!
9 Oct 2006, 11:39 am
Bulla so do the sout pielers… ( rooi neks )
9 Oct 2006, 11:39 am
The best players in SA are ********.
9 Oct 2006, 11:41 am
In Pretoria u must be 2meters tall to play flank
9 Oct 2006, 11:42 am
gbs, jy hom gekry?
9 Oct 2006, 11:44 am
finmaster – without a doubt re dutchmen being the best players. if they the same intellect as the english saffers then we would be world champs over again
9 Oct 2006, 11:44 am
nog fokkol thehef, server seker bietjie stadig!
9 Oct 2006, 11:50 am
Ok Jean en jou punt is?
9 Oct 2006, 11:51 am
jean div any results to prove a different point ?
“Looks at the score bord”
By the way this is a typical wp comment , Kuun is 1.86m he ‘s the guy thats 22 and scored twice.
9 Oct 2006, 11:54 am
how tall is that sexy bulls cheerleader with the really dark brown hair?
9 Oct 2006, 11:55 am
As long as te Bulls don’t win the Currie Cup
9 Oct 2006, 11:56 am
wolfman2006,
You talking about the 1 who did all those flick flacks…….parratjie, ***, parratjie, ***, parratjie, ***……
9 Oct 2006, 11:57 am
jean
You have a problem then the cup is comming home buddie!!!!!!!!!
9 Oct 2006, 11:58 am
indeed i am gbs! i would be willing to watch the spears play rugby, as long as she was there!
9 Oct 2006, 11:59 am
Here we go, every one whose team did not make the final are all Cheetas all of a sudden – anything, as long as the Bulls don’t win the cup!
Fokkern Henshoppers!
9 Oct 2006, 12:00 pm
Simeon # 197:
You clearly not interested in winning the World cup are you mate:
Seconds? Van der Merwe? Stauss? Gary Botha? Phillip Burger? They are all slightly better than average Currie Cup players and possibly average Super 14?
You need Smit there and you need Jagues Fourie!!!
9 Oct 2006, 12:01 pm
Kerneels
This saturday it is the rest of SA agains the bulls………..and just think how it will be after Gary lifts the cup
9 Oct 2006, 12:03 pm
Ons alleen tussen die ander…
Fine, we will just need to shout that much louder.
9 Oct 2006, 12:05 pm
Kerneels, Steyn
My stem was reeds Saterdag amper weg, maar sal hom mooi rus vir Saterdag!
9 Oct 2006, 12:06 pm
Brad Barrit is overrated
9 Oct 2006, 12:06 pm
Kerneels,
Stem saam. Die laaste 50 weke het baie skielik splinter nuwe Vrystaat ondersteuners opgelewer.
Ek as ‘n leeu en die forseerde samesyn van Leeus en Cheetahs in die nou gelukkig afgestorwe Cats, het maar ‘n sagte plek vir die blikore.
Dit bygese dink ek die bulle is beslis die gunsteling om die naweek die bekeer terug te neem Pretoria toe.
9 Oct 2006, 12:08 pm
GBS
Jy moes my gehoor het sondag kon amper nie eers praat nie…..maar dit was alles cool…..sal dit weer doen die naweek
9 Oct 2006, 12:10 pm
# 330, Rugby Student.
That is a pretty solid side but would have Bekker or Van Der Merwe in place of Albert. Butch ahead of Willem, Louis Luddick on the Wing as back up to Paulse, Pretorious can stay as centre cover, and Jannie in place of Carstens. Visage murdered him in June!!!
9 Oct 2006, 12:16 pm
jp pietersen & brad barrit are way ******* over rated. If JP was white he would never been selected in the bok squad
9 Oct 2006, 12:19 pm
A 15 seater full of Bulls muppits/supporters on the road from Pta to Bloem….. Keriiissst!!! now thats a scary one…
Cane
Why is a decent citizen of NZ on a SA site looking for a Babe of the Day?? Surely its not what I am thinking…
9 Oct 2006, 12:19 pm
Watson might be an arrogant arsehole or whatever everyone says about him, but atleast he was gracious enough to congratulate Gary Botha and wish the bulls luck in the final. Gary didn’t even have the decency to acknowledge the losing team.
Congrats Bulls – you layed a great game.
9 Oct 2006, 12:24 pm
646 oops layed = played
9 Oct 2006, 12:29 pm
Peanut
Good point. But does you finks vat Gary had the ability to change his rehearsed pm speech to accommodate Lukes gracious comments?
9 Oct 2006, 12:43 pm
Supa
Gaan beslis. Ry Saterdagoggend 6h00. Dewald het n riller beleef Vrydag. Sy trui verloor in die
8ste minuut. Steke in die 16de. Vinger in die
oog 2de helfte (Sy Kuif afgesny teen sy haarlyn
op die veld oor die bloed en goed!) Afgestuur met
geelkaart oordat hy sy man gestaan het. Geboo van
die pawiljoen ens, ens.. Wat n Game!!!!
9 Oct 2006, 13:50 pm
To all Bulls fans. I have cut this blog out to point out the mentallity of your supporters. This clearly illustrates the problem with all you DD. If someone has a personality, then suddenly he is kak? When will you guys get over the bright lights and big city syndrome. the world has changed, move with the times, their is another World outside of PTA. Seriously, you clowns need to get out more!!!
Keo Watson’s arrogance made him loose a lot of support including me, how many turnover did he make on Saturday , he’s playing way to loose thes days , he always standing at flyhalve , imagine having him and Victor together ???
No way WP can keep him, there are other loosies pushing as well Lobberts, Kabamba, Kuun their personalities are much better than Luke’s as well
Comment by capebull : October 9, 2006 @ 8:24 am
9 Oct 2006, 14:20 pm
Jake had a **** year & would want to improve on his 2006 record….dont see him resting a lot of the snr guys.Keo & you sing a different tune every week!
9 Oct 2006, 16:29 pm
Quinny,
I only see positives coming out of Natal for the future! They are attracting a helluva lot of exciting youngsters just dying to get into the Sharks academy. My GLRU club side just lost our U19 Player of the year (17yr old Matric Prop/Hooker) to them and a Pirates U19 fly half that played for the regional side I am coaching has also been lured there. They are two of the most exciting youngsters I have seen for a while. There is great deal of Emphasis placed on developing young players in their academy and with the senior side already brimming with talented youngsters the incentive to play is great. I invisage the Sharks taking over from the Crusaders as the Super 14 power house for the next 5/6 years while the rest of the Unions are playing catch up with academies.
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