How to make Russell rock
17 Jan 2007
Brent Russell needs a coach who believes totally in his skills.
I thought Kobus van der Merwe would be the man to do so, but I fear the pre-season optimism has quickly been dashed after one trial game. Naas Olivier is a competent flyhalf, but he is in the Louis Koen mould. He’ll never let you down, but he won’t win you championships. Russell is a player who can be the difference in a competition like the Super 14.
The Aussies have always said that if Stephen Larkham was South African he would never have played test rugby. Equally, they’ve said if Brent Russell was Australian he’d have played 50 tests by now. Invariably because there are so many good players in this country in every position coaches are unwilling to coach a player when it comes to Super 14 or test level. They want the finished article and the investment in a player is minimal when you compare it to the likes of Australia, who have a limited supply of quality rugby union players.
Russell, in other countries, would be an asset because of what he can do and not a liability or potential weakness because he has vulnerabilities in his game.
Already the doubts have been allowed to creep in. The media questioned Russell’s first appearance and the coach felt obliged to concur that the player had struggled. What did he expect? Russell has played a handful of games at flyhalf in the last five years. Take the good in his attacking game and nurture it. Take the weaknesses and work on them.
Playing percentages rugby in the Super 14 has never won a team anything. So the Stormers looked more structured when Olivier played flyhalf in the second half against the Bulls. So what. Structure is not the key ingredient to winning the Super 14. The Stormers last year lacked a playmaker close to the scrum. The did not have that X-factor from broken play or when quick ball was recycled. They had solidity in Peter Grant and Olivier. Nothing more. Near misses remained just that.
Russell has the X-factor, but he is also a player who simply has to be boosted to get the best out of him. He has to be trusted to make an impact and I can only hope Van der Merwe has sat with him pre-season and told him he’s got the first 5 games to prove he is good enough. To judge him on every game individually will lead to failure. To unleash the beast, there has to be some massaging of the shoulders and there has to be a belief from the coach that playing Russell at flyhalf is not a gamble, but an investment.
Russell’s out of hand kicking game must improve and as a natural soccer player it is something that can be fixed. He is not a goalkicking option and to try and make him one will lead to frustration.
To allow Russell to prosper Van der Merwe should pick Grant at inside centre, shift Jean de Villiers one out to the number 13 jersey and give Grant the goalkicking duties.
If blue is the new black in Cape Town, then boldness must be the coach’s motivation. A year ago Van der Merwe suffered because of conservatism in his selections and because of a reluctance to back playmakers. Russell gives him the chance to change all that.
689 Comments
17 Jan 2007, 22:48 pm
Brent should not play 10. Fullstop.
17 Jan 2007, 22:50 pm
shame. give him a chance. maybe two more games
17 Jan 2007, 22:50 pm
One of SA’s biggest sins.
We do not invest in talent.
17 Jan 2007, 22:52 pm
Actually…
If talent were to be Angelina Jolie, then all men in SA would have been ***.
17 Jan 2007, 22:52 pm
PissAnt 3
Absolutely, and we are too late in realising our mistakes….can’t turn back the clock….
17 Jan 2007, 22:54 pm
How you PissAnt
Did you get paid for the Spears work?
17 Jan 2007, 23:06 pm
Kobus is still worried about his job, he knows he is a sub standard coach, he probably believed that Russell was the answer to all his prayers but after one poor showing he is kakking and putting Naas in the drivers seat, he is too scared to stick with Russell while Russell shakes the rust off.
17 Jan 2007, 23:07 pm
Willievz how you doing?
1# Why not?
17 Jan 2007, 23:07 pm
Why is Peter Grant not the first choice? Talking about a waste of talent from SA Rugby…..
17 Jan 2007, 23:08 pm
I wouldnt say it often but this time Keo, you hit the nail on the head!
17 Jan 2007, 23:09 pm
hey southfields shark
17 Jan 2007, 23:10 pm
Russel is possibly the best thing for South African Rugby at no 10, Yes after one game he has gone off firing on all cylinders, but show me one player who has been shunted from pillar to post in terms of positions who manages to have the most exciting game ever! Give Russel a chance to settle in with both team mates and position (5 games) and then evaluate his performance. Russel is amazingly talented and an X factor player, don’t be stupid and let him go to waste…
17 Jan 2007, 23:10 pm
Hey wp chic
How ya doing…..you agree with all of this?
17 Jan 2007, 23:12 pm
Southfields Shark howzit!
Regarding your request at post 8…
Because Brent’s biggest strenghts as a player make him a very poor flyhalf….he is not someone that can (a) take control of a game (b) be a primary decisionmaker (as requested from your 10 in theory) and (c) he cannot relieve pressure situations effectively.
Most people are concerned with his defensive channel – I do not think defense per se is a problem for Brent and the 10 channel (the loosies are very quick at WP and can cover that channel effectively from set phases especially) but I have seen in the past that he shoots up too quickly on defense. This, however, can easily be fixed.
Having said that, I believe Russell is one of the best rugby players in the country and should find himself in the back 3….
17 Jan 2007, 23:12 pm
i think he deserves a chance to prove himself. if he doesnt after 2-3 matches, then leave him alone. but what kobus is doing is showing a lack of faith in his player. poor russel. how do you think he feels?
17 Jan 2007, 23:13 pm
Sarugbyblog
The problem is that wp are having to fix what should have not have been broken in the first place. BR is what you say, the supporters just look for a quick fix as usual
17 Jan 2007, 23:18 pm
Wp_chic
If WP/Stormers can build a gameplan AROUND Russell, he can succeed, but when the going gets tough, and pressure is applied, he has proven unsuccessful in the past.
17 Jan 2007, 23:19 pm
willievz, i hear you but at 10 you want a player that can sum up a situation in a sec and make it count, weather is him on his own or making t for someone else. Brent can and has done this. “Open play” off quick 2nd and third phase ball is devastating!
At 11 and 14 he does not get enough ball.
15……..well pros in open play and cons in last line of defense?
Wp chic
Agreed, but give him some time. Wp must honour their word
17 Jan 2007, 23:20 pm
why the hell should they build it around him? he is not that important. you cant change everything for one person..its just not right
17 Jan 2007, 23:21 pm
No team build is built around 1 person.
Forget it
17 Jan 2007, 23:22 pm
if he doesnt work, wp can just pay their way out of the contract. everyone has a price
17 Jan 2007, 23:23 pm
wp chic, how cold are you? ;o)
17 Jan 2007, 23:25 pm
wp Chic, have you seen him play?
17 Jan 2007, 23:25 pm
I find it amazing and pathetically idiotic how people are saying he cannot play 10 or shouldn’t when he had not started in the position for 3 years. It is attitudes like that which increase pressure on a coach’s shoulders. Russell should be nurtured for goodness sake and given an extended run in the team: Kobus is already doing this by giving him game time last week and even more game time (though a combination of the 2nd side and a sub for the 1st team). Mark my words: Russell will be the starting No. 10 for the first few matches and rightly so.
17 Jan 2007, 23:26 pm
how cold am i? literally or figuratively? because figurativly.. hell, always kick em when theyre down. but unfortunately i get these flashes of kindess and compassion. how am i going to run a company like that?
17 Jan 2007, 23:26 pm
Actually, one person can make a huge difference in a team.
17 Jan 2007, 23:27 pm
i think once, a while back.. before i knew what was going on and i only watched for the players.. yeah i didnt really notice him
17 Jan 2007, 23:28 pm
SShark
I did not say that any team is built around 1 person. I was referring to the gameplan specifically.
Theoretically, your nr10 should be the primary decisionmaker in the backline because he is the player with the most vision on the park. If Brent succeed in this in games to come, I will apologise to him personally. Fact is, that the Stormers backline could not kickstart due to the fact that the 12 has been the decisionmaker in recent years. I have seen on many occasions that JDV or DWB call the shots at 10…mainly because the flyhalf was a non-Springbok (I THINK this is the psychology behind this in the camp)….hence the 10 is cut-off from decisionmaking – he was merely to be the link between the forwards and the backline (I am referring here to Grant and Olivier in recent years).
Brent is also instructed from the bench what to do – to run the ball at 99% of all occasions. We have seen against Argentina under Harry Viljoen way back that this is futile – read the situation and then make decisions.
17 Jan 2007, 23:29 pm
If you have seen him play then you will have no doubt that a player of his ability and talent can not be overseen. As i said before WP have cashed in on a deal second to none and when they follow through on their word heads are going to turn
17 Jan 2007, 23:31 pm
Mikeybrass 24
I share your comments here – but when provinces buy players, you cannot make a promise that he will start 10 ad infinitum. He has to prove himself….
He has got another chance against Boland this week…but do not come and moan to me if he does not make the cut in the S14…I have warned all of you.
17 Jan 2007, 23:31 pm
28#
Yes but can you recall Brent under Rudolf?
17 Jan 2007, 23:31 pm
#29
thats the point, he played a while back. apparently de wet barry was also good a while back..
17 Jan 2007, 23:33 pm
SS 29
I am the biggest Russell fan on the planet – hence I feel that he is wasted on 10…
Of course, I hope he proves me wrong…but to suddenly put all your hopes on one player to turn things around in such fashion as the Stormers want is atrocious.
WP were picking up great momentum in the CC and their flyhalves and their decisionmaking was one of the primary reasons they succeeded (together with the dynamic young loosetrio of Luke, Melck and Diack). Why do you need to intervene there?
17 Jan 2007, 23:34 pm
29# How many times since then has De Wet been given a run?
Compare that to the runs brent has been given…..Its a no contest!
17 Jan 2007, 23:35 pm
SS 34
I agree with you…no doubt that he should get a run…but is 10 really the place to experiment????
17 Jan 2007, 23:36 pm
the point is that just because he was good doesnt mean he still will be. of course im hoping that he is because that can only be goood news for the stormers. but if it doesnt work out then too bad
17 Jan 2007, 23:37 pm
Willievz
Until the thought pattern of sa rugby changes then this will always be an argument but yes… i see your side but dont agree
17 Jan 2007, 23:39 pm
SS 37
No worries mate, we are all only concerned about Brent here…we both don’t want him to be wasted
17 Jan 2007, 23:40 pm
WP chic
If you can get your hands on a tape of the bok trails game and fromthen till now show me one sa player with that ability and i will eat my words.
Willievz
Everything will be an experiment if it does not work first time and a plan if it does……..
17 Jan 2007, 23:41 pm
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17 Jan 2007, 23:41 pm
Great Article. i have always known that guy has something special. we tend to focus too much on his weaknesses rather than what he can do. South African coaches always choose the more conservative option. u will see. Brent is more prone to error because he tries to do different things in comparison with other players. However, these mistakes take centre stage instead of what he does or his abilities to change the game. Well done Keo, thank goodness no talk of Watson today!
17 Jan 2007, 23:41 pm
whens the last time he played? and not off the bench
17 Jan 2007, 23:42 pm
42#
For who?
17 Jan 2007, 23:42 pm
SS 39
I agree with you…but what message did this send out to people like Grant (by the way, have you seen how talented THIS guy is!!!) and Olivier…
We just disagree on Brent’s best position at the end of the day….also, it is all about establishing the best combinations…so yes, give it a try, but do not be too optimistic about the outcome of it….
17 Jan 2007, 23:43 pm
#43 for anyone
#44 grant is good
17 Jan 2007, 23:44 pm
Willievz
Agree with you but all the hype after 1 game?
It does not do any good for anyone if you ask me
17 Jan 2007, 23:46 pm
Sharks must be early CC 2006 on wing?
Boks must be a year or 2, if you dont count Argentina where he replaced Pretoruis about 20min in i think
17 Jan 2007, 23:47 pm
SS 46
I am not basing my arguments on the past game…Everyting I have said regarding the situation I have said ever since the Brent-transaction was made….
You cannot make promises to a player, telling him he will play 10 the whole season and then break it after one try. This is professional sport and it does not work that way. Hence I blame Fester and WP Rugby for the way the transaction was handled…they might have digged a hole for themselves…
17 Jan 2007, 23:48 pm
By the way, I have checked out the site you mentioned and it is pretty cool….
17 Jan 2007, 23:51 pm
#47
thats ages ago, and you said he was a wing for the sharks. wing and flyhalf are two differnt postions. even i know that
17 Jan 2007, 23:52 pm
Willievz, we on the same page.
Back the guy and give him the support. If it does not work with a fair opprtunity to shine? Then call it…. When that opprtunity ends…now thats the tricky one
17 Jan 2007, 23:52 pm
#48
you can easily buy your way out of a promise
17 Jan 2007, 23:53 pm
Wp chic, thats exactly the problem. Wing is not his position but DM knows he need someone like him in the team
17 Jan 2007, 23:53 pm
SS 51
Yes, that is the ulitmate conundrum….I am prepared to give him 2 games in the Super14…but 2 games offer a lot of points doesn’t it?
17 Jan 2007, 23:53 pm
if DM really needed him so badly, why is he now playing for the stormers?
17 Jan 2007, 23:54 pm
WP chic
Either you have far to much money to buy people or you one hard *** boss! ;O)
17 Jan 2007, 23:56 pm
55# In business if you see an opportunity to win, you take it!
17 Jan 2007, 23:58 pm
i just understand two very simple concepts. teams want to win and businesses want to make money and if someone is not pulling their weight, you reprimand them but give them a chance. if nothing happens, then you get rid of them anyway you can. you have to get rid of dead weight
18 Jan 2007, 00:01 am
Wp chic
Do you call a plumber to fix a light box?
18 Jan 2007, 00:02 am
are you saying brent russel is a plumber? its late.. no analogies please
18 Jan 2007, 00:05 am
Dont put a player where he doesnt belong and then expect a performance.
You need to watch him at his best and you will understand.
18 Jan 2007, 00:07 am
is his best position 10? im assuming thats a yes. well i said give him a good few chances and if he does nothing in the postion then cut off the dead weight
18 Jan 2007, 00:10 am
Read keos write up again, its from the horses mouth!
18 Jan 2007, 00:13 am
well.. i always was good at simplifying stuff
18 Jan 2007, 00:14 am
So you are….
You back at varsity yet?
18 Jan 2007, 00:15 am
i am yet to start
18 Jan 2007, 00:17 am
studying?
18 Jan 2007, 00:18 am
economics at uct
18 Jan 2007, 00:20 am
good for you! i start work tomorrow at 6:30am so im out. Otherwise chat again soon ;o)
Willievz, cheers if you still there
18 Jan 2007, 00:20 am
morning all!
18 Jan 2007, 00:21 am
Hey SS, I am still here, but mostly on the other thread…..
Are you off to bed?
18 Jan 2007, 00:21 am
Morning Bolski
Wazzup
18 Jan 2007, 00:21 am
cheers South
hey bolski
18 Jan 2007, 00:22 am
what fires are you starting on the other thread
)
18 Jan 2007, 00:24 am
morning Williwvz and wp_chic,
Trust we are all well. Hey i reckon it wont be long and we will see russell playing 10 for some rich european club….as the thread says…no coach in SA has the time to invest in him….the season is too busy to find the time to give russell 2 or 3 games to settle into the no 10 jersey. maybe WP should have bought him before the CC and got him playing 10 for that….??
18 Jan 2007, 00:25 am
hiya SS….
18 Jan 2007, 00:26 am
we still on for our little wager wp_chic?
18 Jan 2007, 00:26 am
without a doubt. stormers are going to win it
18 Jan 2007, 00:27 am
Hey Bolski
18 Jan 2007, 00:28 am
Bolski 75
Good point….questions are (a) does the Stormers really have a problem at 10 that needs to be fixed (b) is nr10 Brent’s best position and (c) in what fashion was the transaction doen, i.e. could it have been executed with greater credibility and less promises?
18 Jan 2007, 00:28 am
you better practice getting used to wearing mens boxers shorts then….cos the sharks will not lose to the stormers…
18 Jan 2007, 00:29 am
SS 74
They don’t call me the devil’s advocate for nothing hey
Glad to see you are still here!
18 Jan 2007, 00:29 am
Bolski
You are not a regular blogger are you?
18 Jan 2007, 00:30 am
Yeah, damit ****
)
Just made another cup of tea…. im here for another 30min
18 Jan 2007, 00:30 am
#81
1) ive had over enough practice
2) its not going to benifit in anyway because the stormers are going to take it
18 Jan 2007, 00:33 am
willievz,
yeah true…i think 10 is his best position, he just needs confidence in that position. I really think he is too much of a liability playing wing or 15 on defence?? on attack…at his best he could probably play any position…and i think the stormers need a more “unconventional” no 10…someone who can bring out the best in thier exciting outside backs….Olivier and Grant are good, but very boring i think?? And I reckon its more the media putting pressure on russell….im sure the coaching staff would have realised he hasent played 10 since 2003, so not to expect him to walk in and play like Larkham?? What position do u think is his best??
18 Jan 2007, 00:35 am
im on here every now and then willievz….normally when you folks in SA are sleeping though
18 Jan 2007, 00:36 am
wp_chic…..ok then…care to up the stakes?? u sound very confident today??
18 Jan 2007, 00:37 am
Bolski
I agree that 10 COULD HAVE BEEN his best position. However, he has not played there for a very long time and will take a considerable period if he is to find his feet there again….
10 is the position on the park which has to absorb the most pressure, and requires superb decisionmaking skills. No doubt that Brent could do it, but I do think he will need to relearn how to deal with pressure situations.
But I have always rated him as a player and I wish him good luck in the 10 berth….but I feel that 14 is his best position….
18 Jan 2007, 00:37 am
i am always confident in the stormers. ill support them everytime
18 Jan 2007, 00:38 am
Russell should emigrate to Australia
he just cant cut it here
18 Jan 2007, 00:40 am
russel does not deserve to be insulted like that! australia? never
18 Jan 2007, 00:42 am
yeah your right…..but i think that is one thing that SA sides really lack, no 10′s that can absorb pressure and make good decisions when under pressure….only a few no 10′s in the world that dont look like they feel pressure….so maybe we are expecting to much from Russell? but WP really need to make sure he is on the field all the time…either at 11 or 14 or even 15, but he must play every game to get his confidence back…it wont take him long to do somethign brilliant, and thats what he needs to get back to his best….id play him where ever i could, and give him the keys to the field, allow him to do what he wants and not worry about being dropped or having to play 20 minutes off the bench….he needs to be involved for 80 minutes….
18 Jan 2007, 00:43 am
wp_chic….i’ll take that as a no then?
18 Jan 2007, 00:45 am
rich, dont be fooled by KEO’s obsession with australia and what would happen if Russell played for the wallabies….!! KEO has a love affair with OZ and would gladely turn *** (if he hasent already) to be called an aussie!!
18 Jan 2007, 00:45 am
depends on what the stakes are
18 Jan 2007, 00:46 am
When criticising the nr10s, people generally overlook the role the 9 plays in the former’s performance….
18 Jan 2007, 00:46 am
i’ll let you chose the stakes wp_chic?
18 Jan 2007, 00:48 am
i’ll think about it, but at the mo im in a generous mood. i dont want you to be completely humiliated when the sharks lose
18 Jan 2007, 00:49 am
the Stormers need a new coach fast
18 Jan 2007, 00:49 am
willievz, do you think that is true in SA’s case? Do you reckon our no 9′s are below par and putting extra pressure on our 10′s?
18 Jan 2007, 00:51 am
Steyn is the Boks only chance
Whites too thick to understand that
18 Jan 2007, 00:51 am
lol…wp_chic….name the game hun? but im warning you…things could get rather messy for you
18 Jan 2007, 00:52 am
nonsense Pienaar is one of the best scrumhalves in the world
18 Jan 2007, 00:52 am
#102 Rich…whats makes you say White is to thick to see that? Didnt he play Steyn in every test on tour?? to me it looks like white really rates Steyn as a no 10?
18 Jan 2007, 00:53 am
#102 how is white too thick? hes the one that picked steyn in the first place when everyone said hes too young and wasnt good enough
18 Jan 2007, 00:54 am
stop copying me wp_chic
18 Jan 2007, 00:54 am
#103 messy for me? never.. im backing the team thats gonna win
18 Jan 2007, 00:54 am
didnt read your msg before i typed mine.. anyway i had a different angle
18 Jan 2007, 00:55 am
ahhh…i can just see you in those sharks boxers
nice *** by the way 
18 Jan 2007, 00:56 am
Bolski i dont think he has the guts to play him at 10, he did it cause he was forced to by injuries and pressure. Anyway what game did he play at 10?
18 Jan 2007, 00:56 am
Bolski 101
Definitely…..we are way to critical on our 10s. Think about it – who is the first player we usually blame for a defeat? This has been the downfall of the Gaffies, Hougaards and recently the Jaco vdW’s of the world…..
While our nr10s should be the primary decisionmakers on the park (due to vision), with the 12 aiding him by being a secondary decisionmaker, the 9s are entrusted with that job. The 10 is no longer instructing the 9 what to do, but rather vice versa. Instead of the 10 calling for a flat ball or a deep ball for instance, and positioning himself and the backline in the process, the 9 decides when to give the ball air and what kind of attacking ball to distribute to the rest of the backline. This is particularly evident when the Fourie du Preez-type-of-scrumhalf plays – no offense to Fourie, he is a great player, but he is too involved in the decisionmaking process.
What happens now is that the 10 cannot position himself on the park due to the 9s orders….hence the 10 is under pressure to make decisions in a shorter period of time than would otherwise be the case. Also, our scrumhalves passing is pathetic in general – the 10 receives a poor ball and distributes it to the 12, which has no other option but to become a battering ram in the midfield under such circumstances….an obvious snowball effect starts here.
One of the reasons for the strength of Irish Rugby at the moment is Peter Stringer – a no-nonsense 9 who does his primary job (namely passing) the best – he makes an average 10 like Ronan O’Gara look world-class. Next time, look at the amount of time O’Gara has to make decisions. The same applies to Larkham (Gregan) and Carter (Kelleher). You will never see these 9s instructing their 10s what to do, and especially leave the pressure relieving kick to their 10s.
Our 9s should take a lot more blame than they do at the moment….
18 Jan 2007, 00:58 am
#110 if thats what you gotta say to your self to stay positive, go ahead. just know it snot really gonna help you. false hope sucks. i know
18 Jan 2007, 01:00 am
willie we have the worst flyhalves in rugby
18 Jan 2007, 01:01 am
oGara average no ways
18 Jan 2007, 01:02 am
Rich
The 9 makes the 10, it is really as simple as that.
18 Jan 2007, 01:04 am
Guys im out! Chat again soon
Dont forget to check out pocketrocket.co.za.
Wp chic, see you on there.
Go fourth and conquer the world!
18 Jan 2007, 01:04 am
rich, do you even watch rugby? Steyn played 10 against the world team.
18 Jan 2007, 01:05 am
willievz u are so wrong
Carter makes himself
Naas made himself
i dont know where u get that stuff
18 Jan 2007, 01:06 am
people over here, ive gotta scram. cheers
18 Jan 2007, 01:06 am
wp_chic, just take a compliment when given one…….!!! ive already told you…i’ll take any bet that the sharks win…i’ll even let you chose the odds…and you havent don that yet!! waiting in anticipation
18 Jan 2007, 01:07 am
Rich
Carter is allowed to make decisions on the park. Moreover, he positions himself on the park. He can only do that if HE instructs the 9 what to do.
In SA, the 9s make decisions FOR the flyhalves. I do not know where this crept into our rugby, but next time, look out for this which I am telling you…
You can’t say Carter makes himself, it is not as simple as that.
18 Jan 2007, 01:11 am
willievz, u do have a point. i agree that some of our no 9′s put extra pressure on our 10′s and to some degree dictate how thay play….but i do think that all that comes with time and playing together as a pair? you look at all our no 9 and 10 combinations…and none have been together for very long…..they are still learning each others game….i mean larkham and gregan have been to gether for ages…we need to find a combination (like pienaar and styen) and stick wit them….let them develop and learn each others game styles and the way they each think….
18 Jan 2007, 01:13 am
Bolski 123
Absolutely, the 9-10 selections for any team should not be done in isolation….and yes, experience here is critical…..
But I still hold to the notion that our 9s are too involved in the game, they should actually cut-down on their role in the game…focus on their primary business! It is really a question of basics at the end of the day….
18 Jan 2007, 01:14 am
sure one needs a good scrumhalf but Carter makes his own glory even with an average no 9
Pretorius is just thick when it comes to rugby
Steyn is the only no 10 we got
and White never played him at no 10 in a test
u guys are wrong
18 Jan 2007, 01:14 am
i will keep my eye on that when the S14 starts willievz…..who do u support by the way?
18 Jan 2007, 01:16 am
rich…technically it wasent a official test match, but he definately played 10 againt the world 15! now get over it dude!!
18 Jan 2007, 01:21 am
that wasnt a test china
just admit u were wrong ffs
18 Jan 2007, 01:23 am
Bolski
No one in particular…just hope to see good rugby from our sides…..
18 Jan 2007, 01:24 am
Rich
I apologise. You are always right.
18 Jan 2007, 01:25 am
rich are you f*cking stupid or what?? thats exactly what i just said in post #127!! Isnt it time for you to get ready for school or something?
18 Jan 2007, 01:25 am
I am out guys
Catch you all later
zzzzzzzzzzzz
18 Jan 2007, 01:26 am
LoL willie now dont get like that again please
i agree with u that the no 9 is moerse important
i reckon Pienaar is as good as one gets but obviously they dont play him
18 Jan 2007, 01:26 am
cya Willievz…..good chatting!
18 Jan 2007, 01:43 am
Good article, agree with it. But please employ a sub-editor.
18 Jan 2007, 03:24 am
#112
im about 60-40 supporting this insight. 60% is quite high considering most SA rugby players struggle to dictate much on the field anyway. so to say that a #9 is making the decisions for the 10,,especially fdp is pushing boundaries bro.
fdp is safe option at 9. he will do most of the basics right except he always knocks on a few every game.
ruan is easily our best 9, and from another thread ill be checking his defensive lines more thoroughly this season as someone pointed out he has worst defence of our 9′s.
18 Jan 2007, 07:56 am
#6 Sorry I missed you last night Mark.
All the best to you and yours for 2007.
No those ******** never paid up – but you know how it goes!
I had to sell my car and I started a website. Thinking about writing a book too to expose the shanks, but that is all still in the pipeline.
I hope Mallet has increased your retainer though!
18 Jan 2007, 08:10 am
Russell can rock at the Stormers. Agree with the article as his style of play is right in tune with the “old” style of the Stormers.
Last night, Fester said that they will play the traditional Stormers/WP running rugby that was lacking last year. No more clueless kicking etc.
If he is true to his word, this opens the door for Brent to start at 10. I think Grant should play at 12 and can thus be the sides goal-kicker.
Brents game-time he will get against Boland B and then as sub for main game will stand him in good stead.
I forsee great things for the new boys in blue this season.
18 Jan 2007, 08:16 am
Goeie dag almal,
Ek het nou nie al die posts gelees nie – maar hierdie Russel is so ‘n algemene onderwerp so hier is my 2 sente.
Hoeveel afrigters het hy nou al gehad? Is hul die oorsaak van die situasie waarin hy sit? Ek is nie so seker nie.
Russel se sterkpunte is na my mening sy vaartvesnelling, systap, spoed, hande, oog vd gaping en daarom sy vermoe om uit niks driee aan te teken. Hy kan aansluit by bewegings, bewegings begin en hy kan finish.
Sy tekortkominge is defnitief sy verdediging – (Henrico Januarie het al oor hom gehardloop – en dis voor Januarie begin loskop speel het) – asook sy vermoee om die spel te dikteer.
Hy hardloop homself ook te veel in n “doodloopstaat” in waarna hy of besit verloor of sy spanmaats meer onder druk sit.
Hy kan gladnie skop nie (ek verwys nie eens na skoppe onder druk nie). Gee hom die bal in ‘n skopoefening en vra hom om die bal op die halflyn uit te skop vanaf sy doellyn. Hy kan nie.
Wat my pla is dit was nog altyd so en dit het nie verbeter nie. Ek het al bygestaan by sy skopoefeninge – omtrend al die backs skop beter as hy – alhoewel WO is miskien die slegste.
Dit beperk natuurlik dan die posisies wat hy kan speel. Verseker nie flyhalf nie. Kyk wat het Steyn gedoen onder druk – hy kan die span uit die moeilikheid skop – selfs onder druk.
Ek dink hy gaan n impakspeler bly en ook omdat hy so maklik seerkry. (Goeie grote is ALTYD beter as ‘n goeie kleinjie.)
Hy is nie die eerste talentvolle rugbyspeler wat hierdie dilemma het nie en sal ook nie die laaste wees nie.
18 Jan 2007, 08:20 am
For what it is worth – and even though I am not a fan – I think Keo is right and Russel deserves a few games to prove himself.
After all the hype and empty promises it is the least that fat fester can do.
18 Jan 2007, 08:31 am
I am so perterb by why South Africa can’t get a decent flyhalf. At least half of what Carter is. Jaco van der Westhuysen shot himself in the foot by going to Japan. Lets not forget he was the one in demand when we won the tri-nations. And is still one of the better options. And THAT’s alarming. Why didn’t Kobus lure Jaco to the Cape? If Jaco was showing loyalty in this modern age to the Bulls, then he is more of an idiot than I thought.. Same goes for Stefan Basson. Why doesn’t he ask to be on loan to the Stormers. He’s is gonna get very little game time. If any… and come play where he learnt his rugby.
A backline of:
15.) Conrad Jantjies
14.) Breyton Paulse
13.) Werner Greef
12.) Jean de Villiers
11.) Tonderai Chavanga
10.) Jaco van der Westhuysen
9.) Stefan Basson
Would not be bad at all in my eyes, then the Stormers would have guys like:
Bolla Conradie, Paul Delport
Naas Olivier, Peter Grant, Nel Fourie
Corne Uys, Sarel Potgieter
Gio Aplon, Joe Pietersen, Hennie Daniller, Shandre Frolick
In reserve
18 Jan 2007, 08:37 am
Backline
15. Gio
14. Sereli???? or breyton
13. Jean D V
12. Peter Grant
11. Chavanga or Breyton
10. Brent
9. Bolla
18 Jan 2007, 08:43 am
142 jean,
as jy FdP,Steyn,WO,Nel,Akona,Habana,Roets met daai backline vergelyk dan moet ek eerlik se dat nie een vd 2 boesem verkriklik baie vertroue in nie.
Seems to me that no team has got a “total” backline – for a long time now.
18 Jan 2007, 08:48 am
Staal
Ja, en dit is te doene aan ons stupid Super 14 sisteem. As ons ‘n draught sisteem het sal sulke ongelykhede nie gebeur nie. Wat moet gebeur is, al die super 14 spanne noem hul 2 best spelers in elke posisie en die res kom in die draught. Hulle kan besluit om of te bly waar hulle is, of vir ‘n ander span te speel. Die span wat die speler draught, sal dan ook vir sy ‘services’ betaal. So, simpel soos dit. Nou sit WP met 5 ‘locks’, 120 flanke, maar hulle het nie voorry manne of ‘n backup scrummie of kwaliteit flyhalf.
18 Jan 2007, 08:51 am
What is wrong with Ishmaeel Dollie?
Why is no coach prepared to believe in him?
Come on Keo give coverage to all players not just your favourites and the ones who you are close to.
18 Jan 2007, 08:51 am
Staal
The only player in your backline id put in mine is Morne Steyn.
If i was the Stormers Management i would rather have gone for him than Brent Russell!!!!!
Habana is an opportunist.
Roets is solid.
Olivier i rate highly.
18 Jan 2007, 08:52 am
Ons rugby is ver agter die res van die wereld. Ons is te amateur. Ek kyk laas jaar, die Springbokke oefen in die gym. Hulle spandeer elke dag in die gym, maar ek wonder hoeveel tyd spandeer hulle om hulle opponent te annaliseer!! Dit is wat professioneel genoem word. Om jou huiswerk te doen!
Not to lift weights every day. We’ve been selling bigger is better since Jake White started and we’ve won only a tri-nations on bonus points! We’ve won, almost nothing overseas. Yet we continue in the same fashion every year. Einstein said that only a crazy person would follow the same steps, expecting a different result
18 Jan 2007, 08:53 am
CFB,
The same thing that was wrong with Seconds apparently.
It is not so much Keo and his favourites, it is Wagner and his clown troop and their favourites.
I am surprised not to see Gus there again.
18 Jan 2007, 08:54 am
Capeflats boy
Ishmael Dollie will get thrown around like a rag doll
Ssame as Zahier Rylands
Lig in die hol
18 Jan 2007, 08:55 am
Kobus van der Merwe is not a Super 14 coach. He doesn’t lack the composure and steal to be one. I can’t for the life of me understand why people like:
Pieter de Villiers
Francois Pienaar
Alan Solomons
Carel du Plessis
Tiaan Strauss
Gary Teichman
Have no job in some coaching role.
18 Jan 2007, 08:56 am
PA Gus is in France
18 Jan 2007, 08:58 am
Jean Div if you watched the warmup game between the Stormers and WP last week, you would have noticed Dollie making Grant look like a baby.
He has the best pass of any flyhalf in SA
18 Jan 2007, 08:58 am
RS 144,
van die goed wat jy noem maak sin. Miskien is dit die sisteem wat ons moet volg – wat my egter die meeste pla is dat Steyn die enigste jong nuweling in die backs is wat werklike kwaliteite het – ek is van mening hy het alles wat ‘n flyhalf moet he – en ek neem aan dis die standaard waarteen ons moet meet – waar’s al die ander jong manne.
Die res is orraait maar niemand lyk vir my na ‘n werklike monster nie.
18 Jan 2007, 08:58 am
jean div
Isn’t that what they said about Gio Aplon? To me he was the bravest guy and the one who missed the least tackles last year in the CC. JP Nel with all his aggression missed loads more tackles and made less ground than Gio. So, what’s your point? Do you want a prop or a flyhalf standing at flyhalf? Ismaeel isn’t that much smaller than Andre Pretorius.
18 Jan 2007, 09:00 am
Thank God for that.
Dollie is class, hopefully someone will realise that someday.
But in SA rugby it is who you know I suppose.
And who blows your trumpet for you.
18 Jan 2007, 09:01 am
Staal
Ek stem, Steyn is baie goed. Hy makeer net vertroue van die coach dat, as hy ‘n fout maak dat hy nie vervang sal word met Derick na 20 minute nie. Carter, Larkham, Giteua, Spencer, Mehrtens, Wilkinson het almal groot foute en blapse gemaak, maar hulle was vertroue gegee. Ons is te geneig om te ‘panic’ as iets verkeerd verloop.
18 Jan 2007, 09:03 am
I dont rate Dollie for Super 14.
I dont think we can compare Gio and Dollie.
1 big tackle and its over for Dollie. What saves Gio is that he has a huge side step
18 Jan 2007, 09:03 am
146 jdiv,
i understand your reasoning – but my point it none of these backlines are “worldbeaters”.
We can argue about who’s better than who – so what – none (maybe FdP) are one of the top 2 in his pos. and as a unit they are very average.
18 Jan 2007, 09:04 am
Ek sal nog steeds Steyn op 12 wil sien langs Hougaard.
We need a twelve that thinks like a 10 (and can play like one too), it is where we fall short in international rugby.
18 Jan 2007, 09:07 am
156,
Dit is nie aldag dat ‘n werklike goeie jong speler uit die “niet” verskyn nie. Steyn en Spies is van hulle – my mening.
As daai manne in die regte pos gespeel word met die regte backing dink ek hulle sal worldbeaters word.
18 Jan 2007, 09:11 am
Whoa stadig nou manne – ek praat van Steyn vd Sharks.
Sorry ek dink ek het julle dalk op die verkeerde spoor geplaas.
Ek het probeer se dat in SA rugby is daar huidiglik net 1 werklike uitstaande jong speler in die agterlyn en dis Steyn van die Sharks.
18 Jan 2007, 09:16 am
Staal,
Steyn van die Sharks is wel, maar onthou, hy is een van die min, of enigste promising jong spelers wat n kans gegun was sover.
I was against his inclusion last year – I was proven wrong. I will still reserve judgement though until I see him play at least 7 games of S14 rugby and see how he shapes up.
18 Jan 2007, 09:16 am
155 – He needs the same chance Aplon was given with Werners injury, to show what he can do besides it warmed everyones heart to see him run round JP Nel and leave him for dead.
Unless he gets that chance – i don’t see it happening !
18 Jan 2007, 09:17 am
He fell away badly when the pressure was on in the CC especially in the latter part of the competition, and specifically in the semi’s.
When he was selected last year, no-one expected anything from him.
Lets see how he handles expectation and pressure.
18 Jan 2007, 09:25 am
Staal
I dont think we will ever have a “world beating”
backline because
18 Jan 2007, 09:26 am
our backlines are overcoached and they not allowed to make there own decisions
18 Jan 2007, 09:33 am
Things don’t change overnight guys and Wp-Chick , give time , sure he will improve his game.
18 Jan 2007, 09:35 am
I think it is a case of being too structured jd.
Players are coached (specifically in backline) to set up phases. Backline moves consists these days of a 3 phase attack or more in which they hope to score on the 4th phase.
It is believed that this is because of the excellent defensive systems in place, but I say bullshit.
Rugby is not a game of contact or looking for deliberate contact, rugby is a game of space, and how you can use and manipulate space.
You have 15 opposition players that would want to tackle you if you run with the ball. No I dont car how you spread them out 15 guys will never cover the width of a rugby field, even if you lie them down.
At any given time you only have about 25% of those 15 players in a position to tackle you which makes it even easier to manipulate or attack space.
Yet we coach our players how to be effective in a ‘tackle situation’ and how to off-load in these situations. Sure the skill is important and necessary.
But why not coach our players to avoid getting tackled in the first place?
Like I said, rugby is a game of space on a field, how you use it, will depend on how well you do. And until we change that mindset, things will not change in SA rugby.
But I agree, it stems from coaching.
18 Jan 2007, 09:37 am
You have 15 opposition players that would want to tackle you if you run with the ball. No I dont car how you spread them out 15 guys will never cover the width of a rugby field, even if you lie them down.
Keyboard problems…
Should read:
Now I dont care how you…
18 Jan 2007, 09:38 am
162 PA,
Surely he’ll also be marked by his opponents this year – but hell this guy has what it takes, (I think)
I did’nt see him in any other games but the EOYT and his workrate, skills and demeanor impressed me.
IMO he is what we need at flyhalf – has he got BMT? – only time will tell.
18 Jan 2007, 09:43 am
PA
Excellent point…
I also agree with Keo, I believe Russel is key to our success in the Super 14, and I have gone on record many times, placing Grant inside De Villiers, I believe they could be a deadly combination…
18 Jan 2007, 09:44 am
Staal the kid has talent. **** lot of it.
But we have a tradition in SA rugby to screw up young promising careers before they start – Hougaard comes to mind.
I will not put Frans in cotton wool, I will ensure he plays an equivalent of about 7 games off the bench and starting.
I will want to see him at 12 next to Butch or Percy which will do wonders for this kids career if 10 is his position we want him to grow into.
By age 22 he can be our first choice 10, and be there for 8 to 10 years to come.
It is time we managed our players better, and more clever.
18 Jan 2007, 09:44 am
I’ve got a friend who played 10+ years for the Boks, a gazillion games for his province and he says the following.
No coach ever told him what to do when, no coach ever learned him skills, no coach ever told them how/wich game plan they MUST use. They as players decided before and on the field.
But the man mannagement of those coaches were impeccable. (sorry my engels issie so goedtie)
I’m not saying rugby has’nt changed – but maybe coaches are “over controling” the players.
18 Jan 2007, 09:48 am
Staal,
One of today’s most successful coaches is on record saying;
‘I am merely a facilitator, who ensures I provide the best possible environment for my players and give them the best possible tools, to perform at their absolute best.’
18 Jan 2007, 09:50 am
#174
Jake White?
18 Jan 2007, 09:52 am
Not in your life
18 Jan 2007, 09:52 am
172 Pa,
I’m with you in bringing him in slowly.
verstaan wat jy se ek hou eintlik maar netnie daarvan om ‘n speler te probeer op al die plekke en dan te besluit wat is die beste vir hom nie.
Gewoonlik verloor die speler confidence as hy nie goed doen in ‘n pos wat hy in elk geval nie wil speel nie. Hy sal ook vir jou se wat hy wil speel.
I’ve coached some of Pta biggest clubs and were a ref for a few years before i left SA – and ek se jou Steyn is ‘n flyhalf. I might be wrong – have been wrong before – maar hel ek hoop ons hou hom op 10.
Dis tyd dat iemand DCarter op sy plek sit.
18 Jan 2007, 09:59 am
It is proven that the more experience and time you get in certain situations, the better you get at taking good decisions. Read that book “Blink” – it has some really interesting takes on how and why peopel take good, fast decisions.
Question is: how much time will Russel need to be able to take good decisions as to whether or not to kick, and whether or not to run, or pass and then who to pass to. and then if the decision is to kick, can he? How long will it take to learn that. If he hasn’t learnt to do this yet (after claiming flyhalf is his preferred position) will he ever?
Do we have this time? Do we need to make this time for him?
Its Festers call…
I reckon if they could simulate game situations every day, he could get used to the pressure and the situations faster. But not by hanging around gyms or doing excercises…
18 Jan 2007, 10:04 am
Staal,
Ek verstaan 100% en stem saam.
Dis hoekom ek Steyn langs n Butch of n Percy sal speel (as 12) en hom so inrbing om hom ons toekomstige Bok 10 te maak.
Ja begin hom in een of twee games daar, teen n Force en Reds miskien, maar nie jou eerse keuse nie, nie nou al nie.
18 Jan 2007, 10:05 am
Sjambok,
I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I saw Russell play at 10.
(Not that I think it is his best position anycase).
18 Jan 2007, 10:06 am
I think Fester will involve Russel, you don’t spend a shitload of money and play a player on the bench…
As for Francois Steyn, Naas Botha said, if you are good enough, you are old enough, I say, pick him at 10, and play him, without pressure he will never flourish…
18 Jan 2007, 10:10 am
Naas played 50 years ago Saint, when the game was amateur and centers and flankers did not weigh 120 Kg’s.
18 Jan 2007, 10:12 am
lol PA and he still couldn’t tackle
18 Jan 2007, 10:12 am
Hougaard was definately good enough – but in no way was he ever old enough – mentally.
You have to remember, guys today come straight out of school and play professional rugby.
Guys back then, had professional careers out of rugby. These kids has no idea what life is about and how to handle pressure as we do in a working environment and as time goes by we learn to handle it better.
Think of your own job. How you did as a 20 year old and where you are now, and how much you know.
These kids dont have that.
18 Jan 2007, 10:13 am
Hehe.
Too true Ig.
18 Jan 2007, 10:13 am
PissAnt
If Russel was a proven defender, I’d have played him at 12, because I feel that could be his best position of all…
OK, the way that the Bokkes was defending at 12 in the past, maybe it won’t be as great a risk…
Just for your info Russel played at 10 for WP u/21 and almost singlehandedly won that competition for WP, he absolutely rocked the competition…
18 Jan 2007, 10:15 am
….and Naas still undeniably knows better than most about Fly-halve play, he was a general and dictated play…..
If only we now had a No 10 with his qualities!
You all hated him in Blue, but loved him in Green and Gold!
18 Jan 2007, 10:16 am
Agreed Saint – he did, but you need game time to keep yourself in the position etc – something surely lacking
18 Jan 2007, 10:17 am
#187 – lol GBS the last line of your comment is so true !
18 Jan 2007, 10:18 am
I know he started out at 10 Saint, but since he became a fully-fledged pro, how many times was he played there?
It is only a belief in me that he wont be a good 10, but then that is largely based on the type of game I would employ, or would like to see employed.
You mention 12 and that, or blindside wing will imo, bring out the best in Russell.
GBS,
I dont think Naas even knew the first name of his 12. So yes he dictated.
18 Jan 2007, 10:21 am
PA
Agreed the game has evolved, as did the players in size and weight, but Steyn isn’t exactly smallish by any stretch of the imagination, size-wise he is right up there with modernday backs…
As for Hougaard, he was never ready, Steady Eddie Andrews would have performed behind a 1000kg Bulls pack, Fourie du Preez passes a mile, no flanker on earth has the speed to be able to reach him, for the Bulls he never played off the back foot…
Why did Hougaard suck in 2003? (Except for the tackle by Brian “the executioner” Lima) The Boks pack could not dominate the same as the Bulls in the CC, no pack on earth can dominate like that in a test, OK England did it for a while…
18 Jan 2007, 10:23 am
PissAnt,
Naas played N Tvl from age 19 and Bokke soon thereafter, maybe you’re too young to fully appreciate the qualities the man possessed!
He had speed off the mark, slipped through many gaps, created a lot of tries for his outside backs….and was a great distributor of the ball….
Yes, N Tvl played a lot to a 10-man pattern, the Bulls still do it a lot, and it works!
18 Jan 2007, 10:26 am
PA
I do not think that Russel could ever be the complete flyhalve, but when did WP ever have a complete flyhalve, does such a thing exist?
Carter is a freak, as was Johnny Wilkinson (albeit a fragile freak)
I think Russel might be a very smart running player, he also has excellent hands, which adds him (except for size) to the Honiball fold, who you all know, could not kick his way out of an ***-kicking competition run by paraplegics…
18 Jan 2007, 10:28 am
Saint I saw Derrick play while he was still in the Cape.
I am not easily impressed by ‘flash in the pan’ type youngsters (not that he was but just he could have been) and they played against a bloody good oppo team.
This kid had me with my mouth hanging open – Derrick is bloody talented and I for one am pissed that he never reached his full potential.
The point I am trying to make is that you have to be mentally mature enough to handle pressure, and I dont think we quite understand the pressure a 20 year old feels representing a province or even his country in a rugby mad country like ours.
It is nothing to do with weight and strength, it is how you handle things mentally. If you panic in any situation in life, you make stupid decisions.
The example I used was to illustrate that back in the 80′s and before, guys went to Varsity, they worked, and they played rugby after hours as a hobby.
You will know how you were as a 19 or 20 year old kid, **** man we could not give a **** in life as to grown up things.
With age, and more importantly, experience, comes maturity, and that is what I am trying to get to.
Knowing how to handle difficult situations.
And no psychologist will ever teach you how to do it – it comes through experience and making mistakes and learning through those mistakes.
In rugby in SA, we do not tolerate mistakes as I can prove to you through various examples. End result, that youngsters career has ended before it started.
One of the best examples of one of the most talented rugby players I have seen, and also a flyhalf, is Gaffie du Toit.
He is a great example of what I mean where a players mistakes are seldom forgiven.
18 Jan 2007, 10:28 am
Hougaard seems to be following the same road as Gaffie. Unfortunately.
18 Jan 2007, 10:30 am
Saint,
Compairing Russel to “Die Lem”……shame on you!
18 Jan 2007, 10:31 am
GBS.
I am not that young!!!
And I have allo the tapes of all the games.
I hated Naas believe me, but the man was a genius, same as Porta, the likes we may never see again, apart from Carter that is.
18 Jan 2007, 10:34 am
190 Pa,
Re: last sentence…
He knows the name of all his outside backs. They told him at the reunion in 1990.
Sorry gbs, net ‘n grappie.
Het nou die dag weer saam met hom golf gespeel – ken hom al jare – Naas is bietjie hard op die oor maar mensig kon hy ‘n game lees! Dit kan ons nie van hom wegvat nie.
Het saam met DGerber in bloem gespeel en vandag sal Danie vir jou se Naas het soms te veel geskop maar daar was altyd ‘n plan met sy skopwerk. Hel ek was bly ek was nie ‘n forward teen hom nie.
18 Jan 2007, 10:34 am
Russell gives the stormers flyhalf channel some teeth, this is something that has been lacking over the past few seasons in the cape. This means that the opposition flankers will have to first protect their defending flyhalf before moving on to close the inside center channel.. it is this half a second which will provide the stormers inside backs at 12 (JDV or PG) with the needed space to create more line break opportunities. Russell should be picked and played at flyhalf – where is the fun going into a tournament and knowing you will end top half of the table at best… Russell gives one the chance of ending top four.
As for Russells goalkicking – Fester and Nick knew that he was not a goalkicking option when they signed him and although he may improve in time, that time has not yet come… surely for the amount of money the coaching staff get paid one would think that they have had enough time to consider the various line-ups to best allow either PG or Werner Greef to be on the field to shoulder the kicking responsibility.. for crying out load you coaches are supossed to be proffessionals!!! My options would be:
10 Russell
12 JDV
13 Greef – taking the goal kicks
11/14 Paulse and Sereli (Jantjies)
14 Gio
or
10 Russell
12 Grant (taking the goal kicks)
13 JDV
11/14 Paulse and Sereli (Jantjies)
15 Gio
18 Jan 2007, 10:37 am
I hear that GifAplontjie is quite a usefull goal kicker as well!!
18 Jan 2007, 10:39 am
I don’t know what the Stormers worries are about Fly Halves……. Luke plays that channel quite well!!
Hahahaha
18 Jan 2007, 10:41 am
194 Pa,
With you on your posts.
Currently i feel a mentorship approach to young players are needed. They must have a mentor and also to be accountable to him. But then again who want to be mentored by windie Vic. The reason Vic did’nt have a mentor, and so on, and so on…….
I’m not sure if you know that SA Rugby are in the proses (hush-hush)of getting older players to give feedback on there opinion of what’s happening currently. Not so mutch the status of play but the image of the game – they are a bit worried i think – and with reason.
Sorry spelling
18 Jan 2007, 10:43 am
More more
As ek reg onthou het Jantjies ook ‘n giftige voet op hom. Kan hy nie pale toe skop nie? Of wat van Luke, hy kan mos omtrent alles doen?
18 Jan 2007, 10:43 am
PA
Derick was good, but natural ability can get coached out of you, I am not biting the Bulls, but Smashmouth rugby, although it works for them, is bad for the players…
Too much structure can break a player…
Jean de Villiers, is only now recovering from structure…
18 Jan 2007, 10:44 am
GBS,
Sure Luke is looking good, but he is no Matfield yet. We can definately improve there.
Staal,
I know of the drive you speak off, and yes I think it is needed to bring some ‘culture’ (for a better word) back into SA rugby.
But yes, these kids really need hardened pro’s to show them the ropes.
Mark Andrews’ story on how he started out (and eventually became the most celebrated lock with test caps) in SA still sticks in my mind. He said he would never have made it if it wasnt for the old heads that helped him when he started out.
Look I do think that you will get the odd player who will be able to handle test pressure at a very young age, but they are few and far between.
18 Jan 2007, 10:46 am
Saint you know my take on JDV currently, please do not go there
18 Jan 2007, 10:47 am
Op ‘n ernstige noot….
WP / Stormers se probleem m.b.t. losskakel / skopper is die volgende:
Al die spelers wat julle daar het, Naas Olivier, Brent, Grant, Greeff, Jantjes…. almal goeie spelers maar in elkeen skort daar net daai een of 2 klein dingetjies wat hulle elkeen nie die regte en volmaakte kandidaad maak vir die job nie, almal is veelsydig maar nie absolute spesialiste nie!
Stem julle met my saam??
18 Jan 2007, 10:47 am
PA you are mistaken there, Matfield is not a flyhalve, he is a 2nd 5/8
18 Jan 2007, 10:49 am
PA
#206
Just fishing
18 Jan 2007, 10:51 am
Stormers se grootse probleem is nie ‘n losskakel nie, maar ‘n pak voories wat hul man kan staan. Dit sal wonderlik wees om te sien hoe die span sal speel met Bakkies en Rossouw op slot en dalk Guthro op voorry. Dan het ons ook die laaste paar jaar iemand gekort om ons uit ons eie gebied te kry met moerse lyn skoppe. Hopenlik kan Conrad daai rol vervul.
18 Jan 2007, 10:53 am
GBS,
Firstly we need a flyhalf that understands his own field positioning which is something we lack in SA in general.
This means knowing where to stand when on attack and how to organise your backline according to that, based on the opposition you are playing, their dangermen, and the field position you are in.
Secondly, almost all flyhalf’s still catch the ball on their wrong foot (foot positioning) which shuts down their lateral vision (to where the ball will move to on attack) by about 30% of what it should be.
Thirdly, almsot all of them pass of the wrong foot as-well which influences their balance and the accuracy and speed of the pass.
But most importantly, flyhalf’s do not communicate effectively with their outside backs and this results with no-one having a f-ing clue what he is doing especially of 2nd or multi phased ball in open play!!!
I am a believer that a flyhalf should ALWAYS be the first receiver but then you need a flyhalf that can think, and the last one we had was Lem.
18 Jan 2007, 10:56 am
Kingpaul
Voordat die skrums uncontested geraak het, was die Stormers baas in die Vaste fasette teen die Bulls…
18 Jan 2007, 10:58 am
#211
Which is why I cannot understand why Naas Botha is not involved in White’s coaching staff?
18 Jan 2007, 11:00 am
#212
Ek het so verstaan, maar nogsteeds het die bulls ons in die vastelos ore aangesit(ok, hulle het vier losvoorspelers op die veld gehad) Ek voel net daar kort ‘n yster of twee daar voor in die oond. Veral met al die jong manne soos Skeate en Van der Merwe en Ferreira in die span.
18 Jan 2007, 11:00 am
PA – 211 – agreed – if one has them go and have a look at the 49-0 drubbing from last year. Larkham gives a masterful performance in how to change the angle of attack from first receiver.
18 Jan 2007, 11:00 am
Ja nee Saint if I was Naas I would cringe everytime I saw our flyhalfs play.
18 Jan 2007, 11:01 am
Ek het nie vir Meyer Bosman baie gesien op 10 nie.
Is hy nie dalk ook iemand warna ons kan kyk nie. Ek is bietjie onseker oor AP en Butch.
18 Jan 2007, 11:02 am
How did Naas motivate his players before a big game.
“Ouens, vandag gaan ek tackle”
18 Jan 2007, 11:03 am
#216
Grant could become a total flyhalve under Naas’s tutorship I believe, Naas himself called him the future of 10′s in SA…
Even Russel could make a 180 turnaround under the great bull…
#214
Van der Merwe and Skeate was on the bench…
18 Jan 2007, 11:04 am
Ig exactly.
This is also why I keep on harping on the fact that there is a huge difference between a game-breaker and a play-maker.
It is also why I believe the roles of 10′s and 12′s has changed over the last 10 years somewhat and why I have always said that JDV as a play-maker should not be playing 12, which is why we haven’t seen **** when it comes to his abilities and ‘promise’ he apparently shows as a play-maker.
18 Jan 2007, 11:05 am
#217
Bosman is ‘n binnesenter, hy het my nog nooit eers halfpad oortuig dat hy ‘n 10 was nie…
18 Jan 2007, 11:06 am
#221 hoe het jy hom getoets daarin?
18 Jan 2007, 11:06 am
Saint,
Bosman het die Sharks oordonner op 10 op n nat Bloem veld.
Smaak my al die jong 10′s floreer op nat velde…
18 Jan 2007, 11:09 am
i think Butch also has some of the qualities that make up a a good 10. his thinking on his feet sets him apart, he reminds of Spencer in that way sometimes. i know he doesnt always come off, but i just feel better when he runs onto the field in the green and gold 10.
18 Jan 2007, 11:09 am
#220
Who is talking about JdV now?…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 11:12 am
Hmmm
To be fair, I think I saw him play at 10 5 or 6 times, and apart from the Sharks game (were the game was so slow) that PA mentioned, he was just the guy passing the ball to the inside centre…
PA
On that wet game against the Sharks I’d rather say, the sharks were so sh@t that they made him look better…
The sharks always look **** against the Cheetahs…
18 Jan 2007, 11:13 am
224,
i’m a bit of a Butch fan myself and can’t stop smiling when i remember the tackle he made on Mortlock last year. Brilliant – stoped him dead.
But his game has it’s ups and downs.
18 Jan 2007, 11:14 am
ek dink dis great dat ons soveel goeie jong potensiele 10′s het, maar ek dink ons moet hulle nie te vroeg vir die wolwe gooi nie.
ek sou n gesonde Butch enige dag voor enige van die jongklomp in my Bokspan vir die WC sit.
hulle is goed nou, maar oor n jaar of wat kan hulle briljant wees..
18 Jan 2007, 11:15 am
#224
It takes only one tackle to dislodge Spencer unfortunately…
In fact Spencer is exactly like Russel, only a slightly better tactical boot…
18 Jan 2007, 11:16 am
his tackling is great , but he is also very sneaky and unconventional on attack. that little grubber on the line this year was magnificent.
his chink would be kicking at posts, but a semi decent 15 would nullify that problem.
18 Jan 2007, 11:17 am
#230
Had that grubber not come off, everyone would be shouting “WHAT THE F#CK WAS HE THINKING?”
Fickle thing, a rugby supporter…
18 Jan 2007, 11:18 am
Is PA gone or is he writing a thesis on flyhalve play again…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 11:20 am
saint,
if you are talking about that tackle in the S14 by Gerber(?) a few years ago, then i say that sort of tackle would dislodge a charging rhino.
butchie is made of sterner stuff than that soft kiwi anyway.
18 Jan 2007, 11:21 am
more almal
18 Jan 2007, 11:23 am
hallo wp_boytjie,
jy’s nie dalk n goeie flyhalf nie?
18 Jan 2007, 11:23 am
morning okes, we’re back to power failures here in the cape again.
have to agree that i would have butch in the 10 jumber for the boks before anyone else.
18 Jan 2007, 11:24 am
Hendrik Gerber’s tackle on Spencer , set the tone. Stormers went to thrash that Blues team in Auckland. one of the best SA super 12/14 games ever. I remember marius joubert putting a grubber through and tonderai chavanga outsprinting Joe Rococo to it
18 Jan 2007, 11:26 am
#233
Yet no Springbok coach ever really rated Gerber…
18 Jan 2007, 11:29 am
#237
The memories bring tears to my eyes…
Just like the come from behind game against the Waratahs, when Neil de Kock sprinted from Try-line to Try-line to complete a 32 point Blitzkrieg
18 Jan 2007, 11:30 am
Saint
As die stormers die bulls gedomineer het Saterdag het dit wragtig nie so gelyk van die kant af nie!
18 Jan 2007, 11:32 am
Russell Rocks!
South Africa have always picked the safe & dependable players, and where has it got us – most of the time no where!
Koen, Van Straaten etc where players that had excellent boots, very safe in defense etc, but they are associated with some of South Africa’s darkest Rugby moments. I think the least we can do is let Russell have a fair crack at no.10. If he fails, then at least SA rugby and it’s coaches cannot be accused of wasting away a talent completely.
The Stormers can’t perform any worse than they did in last year Super 14, & with Russell at 10, maybe we might jst pull of a few upsets along the way.
18 Jan 2007, 11:35 am
Supa, jy wil nou net week kom staan en K@K praat, omdat klein Kruppel Kuun nie kan skrum nie…
18 Jan 2007, 11:36 am
pete agree, but as a fan i cannot take anymore ridicule from the bulls supporters here. i say play it safe and beat the bulls
18 Jan 2007, 11:36 am
saint,
that is true of so many incidents. and its not just supporters, coaches, commentators all do the same thing. and it happens in all sports.
it also happens in business. so we might as well get used to it..
18 Jan 2007, 11:37 am
Saint
Ek sien net jy praat k@k hier terwyl jy glad nie eers by die game was nie!!!
18 Jan 2007, 11:38 am
saint, you’re waisting your time, these bulls supporters have never seen their team win a game overseas, they cannot relate hehe
18 Jan 2007, 11:42 am
Supa
Ek volg die advies van JULLE eie Mnr. JJ Harmse wat ook by die game was…
18 Jan 2007, 11:42 am
Martin
But what we have seen is our team thrashing your team on Newlands!
18 Jan 2007, 11:44 am
Stormers won 2.5 out of 4 last season, but we sucked at Newlands…
18 Jan 2007, 11:45 am
Morning Saint, Supa and the rest….
18 Jan 2007, 11:45 am
Saint
Skielik glo jy JJ? Deur die jaar vertel julle net hoe k@k hy is! Ek het ook sy berig gelees so ek weet nie waar jy daaraan kom dat hulle ons gedomineer het nie! Skrums was redelik gelyk – nie een span het sy bal verloor nie. Lynstane het ons alles gewen behalwe een toe Kuun haker was. Matfield het weer by die stormer een gesteel. Mauls het die bulle meters en meters gewen en die stormers se mauls het niks gevorder nie. wikus het twee van Luke se balle omgedraai…so waar het die stormers ons gedomineer??
18 Jan 2007, 11:48 am
#248
Doesn’t beat seeing your team kicking *** overseas…
18 Jan 2007, 11:48 am
2,5? Se asb vir my waar het julle 2,5 uit 4 oorsee gewen laasjaar??????????
18 Jan 2007, 11:49 am
Bly om te sien Victor kan nog balle vat van n loskakel posisie.
18 Jan 2007, 11:49 am
More Willie!
Saint – it does! You wouldnt know!
Pls explain your 2,5 wins last year?
18 Jan 2007, 11:50 am
Yeah Supa, the Bulls like a good thrashing;-) It’s why the pack is on top of one another;-)
18 Jan 2007, 11:50 am
supa, gbs,
ek het nog so ‘n t-hirt oor vir iemand wat dit dalk wil he. Laat weet.
18 Jan 2007, 11:51 am
t-hirt = t-shirt
18 Jan 2007, 11:51 am
Relax Supa , al wat ek kan dink is dat die score was baie naby , so julle kon nie die hele game domineer nie…. maar ek was nie daar nie , so weet nie als nie.
18 Jan 2007, 11:51 am
Ek sien die Bulle en die Stormers gaan nooit ophou stry nie….
Almal weet tog die Stormers gaan die Super14 game wen, die ware Jakob en nie een of ander “warm up” game nie
18 Jan 2007, 11:52 am
staal
ASB! Ek soek graag nog een!
Gee gou jou mail weer asb!
18 Jan 2007, 11:54 am
wp boytjie
ek se nie ons het gedomineer nie – Saint se stormers het gedomineer. Al wat ek se is dat ons was nader aan domineer as wat hulle was.
18 Jan 2007, 11:54 am
Die super 14 game is op Loftus , so ons sal maar moet wag en sien….
18 Jan 2007, 11:54 am
saint
Waar jy nou? Jy soek seker daai ,5 wat jy nie gaan kry nie!
18 Jan 2007, 11:55 am
Boytjie
Jy moet opkom en kom kyk!
18 Jan 2007, 11:56 am
Supa
JJ Harmse is so diep in die Bulle opgekruip, as hy iets teen hulle sê dan moet dit waar wees….
Hy het gesê dat dte Stormers gek@k het in die losspel, maar hy het gesê in die vaste fasette het die Stormers hulle man gestaan…
18 Jan 2007, 11:57 am
ja , nee versker met die voorspelers geen twyfel nie. Agterlyn en broken play, miskien ons. wens ek was daar , ek het rugby cravings soos nooit tevore nie.Nog 2 weke basies tot ons lekker weer kan kyk.
18 Jan 2007, 11:58 am
saint
ek stem saam hulle het hulle man gestaan – maar jyt gese in 212 “die stormers was die bulle baas” in die vaste fasette, wat nie waar is nie.
En jy nog nie geantwoord nie – waar het die stormers laasjaar 2,5 uit 4 games gewen oorsee?
18 Jan 2007, 11:58 am
Nee wat Supa ek was al een keer op loftus en nooit weer nie. Ek glo ons is ‘n baie beter span as die vorige twee jare , maar ek het nooit baie hoop met loftus nie.
18 Jan 2007, 11:59 am
boytjie
ek gaan weer die saterdag vir die lions game! Dis lekker goedkoop -R10!
18 Jan 2007, 12:00 pm
Supa ons het oorsee 2 games gewen en een gedraw…
18 Jan 2007, 12:00 pm
wp boytjie
Was jy daar met die nokia telling?
18 Jan 2007, 12:01 pm
Saint
Watter game het julle gedraw???????????
18 Jan 2007, 12:01 pm
Die leeus rus mos helfte van hul span. Ek is seker Jacques Cronje se besering is ‘n klomp gemors….Ek reken hulle gaan kak, tackle maar gerus die kak uit Earl Rose uit. Ek hou niks van daai man nie.
18 Jan 2007, 12:03 pm
Ou Supa nee , was in 2003 daar in Loftus. En 1995 vir die Frankryk England 3/4 place playoff game. Nuweland sal altyd my plek wees
18 Jan 2007, 12:03 pm
petoors ens rus. ek dink Jaque Fourie en Ricky en so aan speel. Kan half verstaan – hulle het nie watwonderse diepte nie. Gaan nogtans lekker wees! die bulle span is blykbaar baie na aan die beginspan wat teen die sharks gaan speel.
18 Jan 2007, 12:04 pm
#273
**** sorry Supa, ek dog die Brumbies game was ‘n away game, jammer man, gremlins…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 12:04 pm
wpboytjie
Was jy vir die toets teen AB daar? Ek was daia dag daar – 16 – 52 verloor!
18 Jan 2007, 12:05 pm
ja saint – ek wou se jyt die kat aan die gat beet.
so van nou af glo jy elke woord wat JJ Harmse se ne? Jy kan nie later weer se hy praat altyd nonsens nie!
18 Jan 2007, 12:06 pm
ja was daar vir daardie game. Corne’ Krige se tyd. ‘n goeie pel was daar vir die 75- 14 … fokkit. daai was erg ,
18 Jan 2007, 12:07 pm
#279
Net as daai JJ Harmse praat van die K@K wat die Bulle aanjaag glo ek hom…
18 Jan 2007, 12:07 pm
WAAR IS SERELI???? WATS DIE STORIE???
Hy moet terug kom , ek mis daardie man
18 Jan 2007, 12:10 pm
Saint re JJ Harmse
Verseker, hy is vreeslik biased….so as hy iets se wat die ander span loof, moet jy dit glo…..
18 Jan 2007, 12:11 pm
SUPA
Ek raak nou gatvol vir jou en jou Nokia telling, niemand sê iets oor julle die k@kste S12/14 rekord van alle tye het, of omdat julle teen die farken reds verloor het nie…
18 Jan 2007, 12:16 pm
Saint
Dink jy ek gee enigsins om of jy gatvol raak?? Hy het gese hy was by Loftus maar nie watter game nie, toe vra ek of dit daai game was! Ek praat anyway nie met jou nie!!!!
Ja, tipies wp – glo net as joernaliste slegte goed skryf!
18 Jan 2007, 12:18 pm
Supa, waar speel hulle en watter tyd?
18 Jan 2007, 12:19 pm
more hmmm
16:00 eerste game
18:00 tweede game
Loftus
Gaan jy kyk?
18 Jan 2007, 12:22 pm
Supa
Toevallig altyd daai game….hehe
18 Jan 2007, 12:22 pm
Supa, ja….
Speel hulle twee games teen mekaar?
18 Jan 2007, 12:24 pm
jip hmmm
Die eerste is soort van n vodacom cup game en die tweede game is die hoofwedstryd. die bulle speel n sterk span – maar die leeus speel nie vir Petoors ens nie. Dink Jaques Fourie speel wel.
Saint
As jy PMS het moet nie hier kom chat nie!
18 Jan 2007, 12:39 pm
Ek het PMS
Probleme Met Supa…
18 Jan 2007, 12:40 pm
LMAO! goeies! Jyt lank gedink – maar goeies!
18 Jan 2007, 12:40 pm
Of Probleme Met Saint…
18 Jan 2007, 12:44 pm
Heheheheh 291….
18 Jan 2007, 12:45 pm
Supa, dan is ek daar…..
Het klaar van my Bul vriende saam genooi sodat ek hulle kan uitkoggel wanneer ons altwee wen…….
18 Jan 2007, 12:47 pm
Ek was ‘n rukkie nie hier nie…
18 Jan 2007, 12:48 pm
hmmm
Pasop dat jy nie dalk aan die ontvangkant staan nie!!
18 Jan 2007, 12:48 pm
ja…jyt gesit en dink!
18 Jan 2007, 12:51 pm
Supa, Supa, Supa
Ek hoef nie so lank te dink nie, jy ken my, Master of the Comeback…
18 Jan 2007, 12:52 pm
Fokkers,
Julle is darem maar pateties, plaas julle kom help het op die re-design thread vroeër toe eye hate Bulls kom moeilikheid maak het en opgefffffoeter is!
18 Jan 2007, 12:54 pm
GBS
Ek pick nie op kleintjies nie…
18 Jan 2007, 12:55 pm
Anyway, I hate the bulls too…
18 Jan 2007, 12:55 pm
….. net op onskuldige hoendertjies en tafels, nê Saint!
18 Jan 2007, 12:56 pm
Supa, ek het klaar vir hom gese die leeus rus 4/5 spelers toe kap hy “ek gee nie ‘n hel om oor julle span nie”…..so wen of verloor, ek gaan uitdeel!!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 12:57 pm
Hello Secondhands
18 Jan 2007, 12:58 pm
Hoenders is nie so onskuldig as wat hulle lyk nie GBS, maar dis OK eendag is eendag, dan moet julle net onthou, ek het eerste gestrike, toe ons nog kon…
18 Jan 2007, 12:58 pm
lol at hmmm..bulle het ook nie Spies, Bakkies ens nie! Maar Petoors maak n groot verskil aan die leeus!
18 Jan 2007, 13:00 pm
Supa, daar is meer wat nie speel nie….
Twee van ons begin voorry (1 stut en die hakker)….
Een van ons begin lose trio….
Andre, JacoP en nog een of twee agter spelers in die agterspelers……
18 Jan 2007, 13:00 pm
Tony, praat van 2nd hand, gister was Wêreld-Oorlog 3, toe is jy nêrens te sien nie…
18 Jan 2007, 13:01 pm
Die Bulls en die Lions gaan mekaar opkeil vir die wooden spoon, en dan gaan ons ‘n jaar lank **** van spelers wat beseer was, of nie gespeel het nie, etc. etc.
18 Jan 2007, 13:01 pm
….en die ge-allieerde magte het ook Wêreldoorlog 3 gewen!
18 Jan 2007, 13:02 pm
jaco sal anyway nie span kry nie! Ons het ook meer – Guthro, Dlulane, Lobberts etc. Moenie nou al met verskonings begin nie! Soos jou pel se – ek gee nie n hel om oor jou span nie!
18 Jan 2007, 13:02 pm
Saint, dit klink of jy `n Hithcock movie gesien het. Hoenders is mos voels?
18 Jan 2007, 13:03 pm
saint
die lions en die bulls gaan altwee jou spannetjie kafdraf! Seker weer NOKIA tellings opstapel!
18 Jan 2007, 13:03 pm
#307
#308
#312
Sien?
18 Jan 2007, 13:03 pm
Met al die spelers wat die practice games mis gaan die Lions myns-insiens heeltemal under-cooked in die S 14 in, dit nogal teen die Tahs wat gewoonlik met spoed begin!
18 Jan 2007, 13:04 pm
Ek se HELLOOOOO 2nd Hands!
Saint, ek was gister die HEELdag in `n meeting in Rosebank.
18 Jan 2007, 13:04 pm
Ja maar supa, ons is reeds dun in die vaste 5 en dan rus hulle nog twee……
Ek het baie vertroue in die vaste 5 van ons ‘run-on team”, want hulle het baie goed gedoen teen almal in die CC…..so ek gaan nou sien hoe gaan ons wees as ons 2 beseerdes so hê…..
18 Jan 2007, 13:05 pm
#313
Giggel maar in jou mou tot ‘n hen jou strot uitruk…
Of ek oor jou ry….Ja, ek het nog nie vergeet nie…
18 Jan 2007, 13:05 pm
Tony ek weet sommer jy praat nie van my nie….
18 Jan 2007, 13:05 pm
#317
Heeldag schmeeldag…
18 Jan 2007, 13:07 pm
Wie de hel is 2nd Hands??
18 Jan 2007, 13:07 pm
Hmmm, dit het jou ingesluit!!!
So, hoe ver gaan die Lions die bulls wen? F*kken ver!!!!!!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:09 pm
GBS, julle almal is 2nd hands!!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:09 pm
Die Leeus gaan lekker op hul moer kry die naweek, maar moenie stres nie manne julle sal nog die Stormers klap….
18 Jan 2007, 13:09 pm
So, watse WW3 was hier gewees?
18 Jan 2007, 13:10 pm
****** Mondeo!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:10 pm
Beteken dit Tony is nog ‘n virgin…?
18 Jan 2007, 13:10 pm
Tony
GBS is nie 2nd hand nie, hy is ‘n antique
18 Jan 2007, 13:11 pm
Tony
ek **** Petoors is bang vir Hougie – dis hoekom hy nie wil speel nie!
18 Jan 2007, 13:11 pm
Hello Blouste, sorry to say, jy is VERKEERD!
18 Jan 2007, 13:11 pm
Tony 323…jy sal meer as jou nick hakkel as jy my weer 2nd hand noem
:closed:
18 Jan 2007, 13:12 pm
Tony 2 words…
Carla Jane
Oh yes, and a tosser called Spider…
18 Jan 2007, 13:12 pm
Ek ‘n “antique”….. Hehehehe
Ja, hulle maak nie meer die goed so sterk en behoorlik en behendig soos in die ou dae nie….
Julle is die plastic generation!
18 Jan 2007, 13:12 pm
Ek sien Tony, maar moenie vir my sê sorry nie…
Ehet gelukkig niks daarmee te make nie..
18 Jan 2007, 13:14 pm
Petoors is bang vir niemand nie Supa! As hy bang was vir apies sou Hougie hom miskien nervous gemaak het, maar hy is nie!
18 Jan 2007, 13:14 pm
GBS – did you send that stuff to me via snail mail ?
18 Jan 2007, 13:14 pm
GBS
As jy werk het om te doen – wie gaan jy inspan? n Jong fris donkie of n ou half dooie donkie?
18 Jan 2007, 13:15 pm
335, dis wat julle nou sê
18 Jan 2007, 13:16 pm
Tony
Se vir hom hy moet maar vir die Bokke se onthalwe uit Pakslae se pad bly…:lol:
18 Jan 2007, 13:16 pm
337….nou Ig, remember he and supa use parafien pc’s……
18 Jan 2007, 13:17 pm
Ek gee julle gou n krieket update:
Kanada het 295/5 gemaak.
Skotland is nou 0/0 na 0.1 overs.
18 Jan 2007, 13:18 pm
Ag supa, Andre sal vir DomDanie spear tackle…..
18 Jan 2007, 13:18 pm
Kyk mense, bulle gaan die een met ten minste 15 vat…
18 Jan 2007, 13:18 pm
Fooook Ig,
Sorry buddy, have’nt had a chance to send yet, was too busy warring here on the blog the last couple of days……
Threw my toys well and solidly out of the cot!
But I have diarised it for tomorrow, won’t forget!
18 Jan 2007, 13:18 pm
hel maar dis `n aggresiewe forum hierdie. Hmmm, jou 2nd hand…
18 Jan 2007, 13:18 pm
Ig
How many applications did you guys receive from the muppits
18 Jan 2007, 13:19 pm
hmmm
Jy praat seker van n Danie van schalkwyk…
18 Jan 2007, 13:19 pm
Waar sien jy die score Supa?
18 Jan 2007, 13:20 pm
No worries, GBS – i asked cause i trashed my mailbox – putting a new one up this weekend.
Saint – a couple, not sure which Muppits though
18 Jan 2007, 13:20 pm
Stem saam blouste…
18 Jan 2007, 13:21 pm
blouste
ek dink eintlik jy oorskat die leeus – meer as 15 punte…
18 Jan 2007, 13:22 pm
Wat ek bedoel, word die game êrens uitgesaai?
18 Jan 2007, 13:23 pm
Diep binne in daink ek ook so.
Wou nou net nie te windgat klink nie.
Nou nou begin die manne sê die Bulle is windgat
18 Jan 2007, 13:23 pm
Ig, are we allowed to say P*@s in your last month?
18 Jan 2007, 13:23 pm
blouste
Nee – maar ek wil gaan kyk – ek is in PTA saterdag so gaan dit probeer maak.
18 Jan 2007, 13:24 pm
Yes jy het so gesê, maar ek bedoel eintlik die krieket…
18 Jan 2007, 13:25 pm
Tony
You dirty mouthed 2nd hand…
18 Jan 2007, 13:26 pm
hehe – die skotland game? Het sommer gespot want wie volg nou eintlik skotland teen kanada behalwe familie en vriende!
Maar as jy ernstig wil weet sal ek jou update?
18 Jan 2007, 13:26 pm
Ek gaan die naweek Bloemmies toe, so ek mis uit om Loftus toe te gaan!
18 Jan 2007, 13:26 pm
Die bulle is windgat….
18 Jan 2007, 13:26 pm
348….nee supa, die dom ene….almal weet wie DomDanie is…..bly jy onder ‘n rots….
18 Jan 2007, 13:27 pm
Hehehe Tony – i was wondering how i should play it, but note to everybody only leaving at the end of March….
Think i will clear the banned word list and unban everybody and make him start fresh…..
One can’t gain experience until you fought Stan off…..
farking smilies
18 Jan 2007, 13:28 pm
hmmm
Ja, ek bly net bo jou en jou wurms!
18 Jan 2007, 13:28 pm
361….nee hulle ruik net so!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:28 pm
Nee thanks supa, net gewonder, nog nooit so game op tv gesien nie…
# 361
Sies man en ek was so nederig…
18 Jan 2007, 13:29 pm
363…hehe Ig, that is so true…..
Especially during the S14
18 Jan 2007, 13:30 pm
# 365
Jy praat van stinkgat, dis die Stormers…
18 Jan 2007, 13:30 pm
He he Blouste!!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:31 pm
supa 364, twyfel, my wurms is van lint gemaak…..
18 Jan 2007, 13:31 pm
Ig, throw him into the deepend so to speak!!
Do it, everybody needs a new beginning…… except folanke of course!
18 Jan 2007, 13:31 pm
368….what’s the dif…..
18 Jan 2007, 13:33 pm
363, LOL The poor new oke!!!
Just warn him about Supa and his Kolpophobia (Fear of genitals, particularly female genitals)
18 Jan 2007, 13:33 pm
Swem Jannie, swem!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:34 pm
And all the Bulls suffer from Brontophobia… (a fear of storms, particularly thunder and lightning)
18 Jan 2007, 13:34 pm
Waar’s Lam vandag??
18 Jan 2007, 13:34 pm
# 372
I told you, ask the experts.
You can find them @ stormers website…
18 Jan 2007, 13:35 pm
Heheh Tony – nah thats my farewell present to myself i am going to ban Supa and delete all his comments so he doesn’t feature on the top posters list
18 Jan 2007, 13:36 pm
# 378
What does the list look like Ig?
18 Jan 2007, 13:38 pm
ig
By that time i wont be posting here a lot anymore so it wont make a difference – i’ll retire number one!
You’ll anyway get hit by a bus or something for doing that…
18 Jan 2007, 13:38 pm
378….Ig you are my new hero…..
3 cheers for Ig, Huray, Huray, Huray…..
18 Jan 2007, 13:39 pm
378, YES IG, that`s the one!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:39 pm
Ig
At least we all know now you got peanuts for doing this **** work!
18 Jan 2007, 13:39 pm
Where are you going Supa?
18 Jan 2007, 13:39 pm
380….jaja
18 Jan 2007, 13:41 pm
Ig that is a brilliant idea, I hope they appoint a young rookie, we will give him so much K@K he’ll choose to retire early…
And if he is windgat, then we all just fark-off, and start our own blog…
18 Jan 2007, 13:41 pm
I can picture it!!!
“Hi Mr New Webmaster, my name is Supa and I was the top poster on this site”.
“Sorry Supa, no record of you but what is Kolpophobia?”
18 Jan 2007, 13:41 pm
384….His getting a indoor job….packing or something at a spar…..
18 Jan 2007, 13:41 pm
Hey Ig
What does the list look like at the moment and do you guys start over each year?
18 Jan 2007, 13:42 pm
How are all my favourite Dutchies doing?
18 Jan 2007, 13:43 pm
ig
You see hmmm is going jaja for you being hit by a bus!
Blouste
I might be changing jobs in the next couple of months – my brother wants me to run a business for him. But, we’ll see…
18 Jan 2007, 13:43 pm
Nou die Blou!
18 Jan 2007, 13:43 pm
Blouste – its pretty rough, Stan – farking idiot that he was, made great use of language and could be quite subtle at times.
Supa – you sound bitter?
18 Jan 2007, 13:44 pm
I might even become hmmm’s boss! Then i’ll fire that lazy etter…
18 Jan 2007, 13:44 pm
391. A new hot dog stand Supa?
18 Jan 2007, 13:44 pm
Nah Blouste – bannings carry over
18 Jan 2007, 13:45 pm
ja ig…i’m bitter because i will miss you…
18 Jan 2007, 13:45 pm
Ig,
Is it a pre-requisite for the webmaster to be Slaapstad based??
18 Jan 2007, 13:45 pm
I was on the banned list.
For about 2 hours.
18 Jan 2007, 13:45 pm
Ig, how`
18 Jan 2007, 13:45 pm
Ig, it is because Supa has a great love and respect for you, yesterday on the mails he was all soppy…
18 Jan 2007, 13:46 pm
Ig, how`s about posting the top 50?
18 Jan 2007, 13:46 pm
GBS,
Not a pre-requisite as such but it helps as you normally know a thing or two about computers then…
18 Jan 2007, 13:46 pm
Nope Tony…i hear selling gravestones is the new thing!
Ive got one with your name written all over it!
18 Jan 2007, 13:46 pm
lol at saint
18 Jan 2007, 13:47 pm
Howzit Vinnie, you closet dutchie!
18 Jan 2007, 13:47 pm
But what does the postings and who has posted how many times look like?
Who is leading and does that get restarted every year…
18 Jan 2007, 13:48 pm
Bluste wants to compare ***** sizes again.
18 Jan 2007, 13:49 pm
Tony – next Tuesday i will post the entire list
GBS – not sure, but i think so.
Ahhh gee Supa – why not turn your sadness into 1000 cheque and mail it to me
18 Jan 2007, 13:49 pm
Yeah do # 402
18 Jan 2007, 13:50 pm
Cool Ig…
18 Jan 2007, 13:50 pm
hehe – Ig
I said im gonna miss you…not feel sorry for you!
18 Jan 2007, 13:51 pm
Ig, se gou P*@s…
18 Jan 2007, 13:51 pm
Ig,
Supa only has firestone cheques….. all rubbery!
18 Jan 2007, 13:51 pm
# 408
No need Viinie
I know i’ll win
En bo-op dit is ek nog moer nederig ook…
Lees maar die vroeer posts…
18 Jan 2007, 13:52 pm
Hey Supa – whip up a tombstone for Tony – he’s gonna need it soon with that kind of language
18 Jan 2007, 13:52 pm
I feel sorry for supa, he and Tony suffer from Oneirogmophobia…
18 Jan 2007, 13:53 pm
18 Jan 2007, 13:53 pm
he he…
18 Jan 2007, 13:54 pm
Ig
I would – but he is too fat – i’ll have to make wall!
Ban die vark Ig!
18 Jan 2007, 13:55 pm
a wall
18 Jan 2007, 13:56 pm
LMAO Supa
18 Jan 2007, 13:56 pm
Verassing?
18 Jan 2007, 13:56 pm
LMAO Saint!!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 13:57 pm
Brent Russel can be a great flyhalf if he gains 40 pounds, learns to kick and grows 7 inches. He also needs to play in such a way that people think he is part of the team coz just wearing the same jersey just doesn’t seem to make a difference to him… other than that, I think he is a great Currie Cup player, no more.
18 Jan 2007, 13:58 pm
Blouste
Dan gooi ons sy as op Loftus! Sodat Wessel Roux daarop kan trap!
18 Jan 2007, 13:58 pm
Supa het sy Proctophobia oorwin….
18 Jan 2007, 13:58 pm
OK Bloubulle en vet vriende en Ig, cheers for the rest of the afternoon!
18 Jan 2007, 13:59 pm
Carla Jane
Still no answer to my question hey? Coming back for more?
18 Jan 2007, 14:00 pm
Cheers GBS
18 Jan 2007, 14:01 pm
Enjoy GBS
18 Jan 2007, 14:02 pm
Nou moet Supa nog net werk aan sy Ablutophobia
18 Jan 2007, 14:02 pm
Cheers Groot blou scooter
18 Jan 2007, 14:03 pm
GBS
Mooibly oupa…
18 Jan 2007, 14:03 pm
Hey Saint, still no cure for that rash? There are gyneas who can help, you know?
18 Jan 2007, 14:04 pm
Now now Carla – no need to get personal….
18 Jan 2007, 14:05 pm
432, LOL Saint!!!
18 Jan 2007, 14:06 pm
All the Stormers have beaten their kakorrhaphiophobia…
18 Jan 2007, 14:07 pm
Talking out of experience? I wonder…
18 Jan 2007, 14:09 pm
LOL Blouste!!!
18 Jan 2007, 14:09 pm
Everybody searching for the phobia list?
18 Jan 2007, 14:09 pm
Last post,
All Stormers still suffer from Cyantaurusnokiaphobia!
18 Jan 2007, 14:14 pm
Ig
Don’t stress, I asked her a question which she couldnt google, now she is pissed…
Probably Kakorrhaphiophobia
18 Jan 2007, 14:15 pm
Cant be a great national team if you have no flyhalves in the country.
Steyn for no 10
White wake up are you listening
18 Jan 2007, 14:15 pm
Hehe groot 414…..
18 Jan 2007, 14:16 pm
#444 do you listen to posts:?:
18 Jan 2007, 14:20 pm
Julle is almal bloody copy-cats…
18 Jan 2007, 14:23 pm
Saint, I’m getting Ig’s job… I’m going to ban your hairy white *** every single day. You’ll be the first woman to exprience virtual torture!
18 Jan 2007, 14:24 pm
Henceforth everyone should call me The_Saint: The Muppit who slayed the man-beast that is Carla Jane…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 14:25 pm
Rich, I agree, Steyn has to be our fly!
He would rival Wilkinson and Carter, but each of Pretorius, James and other SA flyhalves have at least one glaring weakness. Steyn seems to have none!
18 Jan 2007, 14:26 pm
Saint, grow up
18 Jan 2007, 14:27 pm
#448
Ironic if you read #449…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 14:29 pm
ground hog day again i see.
18 Jan 2007, 14:29 pm
#450
If Steyn was a fly he’d get zipped up very quick…
18 Jan 2007, 14:31 pm
Is it just me or does CJ not like me…
18 Jan 2007, 14:32 pm
Rich & CJ, gaan praat k*k iewers anders.
18 Jan 2007, 14:32 pm
If Steyn gets plays 10 for the Boks, the temptation will be so much greater to pick Pienaar at 9. Imagine that combo!
Can I dream even more and believe that Bobby at his best at 8 will give us the most courageous and talented 8, 9 & 10 in the world?
18 Jan 2007, 14:34 pm
bobby is a has been.
18 Jan 2007, 14:34 pm
CJ
See you are dreaming about nude men on a different thread…
18 Jan 2007, 14:35 pm
Ruan Pienaar is best suited at fullback or at least wing, my friend and confidant PissAnt, whose opinion has a lot of weight around here, feels the same…
18 Jan 2007, 14:35 pm
Martin, one big difference, Supa is Punxsutawney Phil…
18 Jan 2007, 14:35 pm
Saints sits on greased towbars! That explains the lump in her throat!
Rich, I think Jake should be looking at combinations this year. The important ones 9 – 10, 12-13, 2-4-5, 2-1-3, 6-8, 8-9 etc should guide his selections. Those combinations are what wins games in the last minute.
18 Jan 2007, 14:37 pm
Carla
Except for wingers and a fullback, that IS the hole farking team…
18 Jan 2007, 14:37 pm
Saint thinks Pienaar should play fullback becoz Pissant said so. Ag please man, do us a favour and have an original thought. It is because of you that women have such a bad name on this blog
18 Jan 2007, 14:37 pm
So yeah
I agree we should have a good team if we wanna win…
18 Jan 2007, 14:37 pm
And we all know Pissant is da bomb!
18 Jan 2007, 14:38 pm
jake should be looking at numbers 1 – 22.
18 Jan 2007, 14:39 pm
Tony
Het jy al ooit n goeie woord vir my te se gehad?
18 Jan 2007, 14:39 pm
18 Jan 2007, 14:39 pm
and we need to score more points than the opposition if we want to win
18 Jan 2007, 14:39 pm
464. No, it`s because of you CJ.
18 Jan 2007, 14:40 pm
Carla,
You amaze me with your wealth of knowledge.
18 Jan 2007, 14:40 pm
MAtches win matches Carla?
18 Jan 2007, 14:40 pm
Indien julle wonder hoekom stres ek nie dat Carla Jane dink ek is ‘n vrou nie…
Ten minste is ek dan veilig van haar/hom/dit…
18 Jan 2007, 14:42 pm
Supa, jy weet ek joke net!
18 Jan 2007, 14:43 pm
Carla actually anyone who saw the Boks against the World XV could see what a danger Pienaar constitutes from the back…
18 Jan 2007, 14:45 pm
Vinnie
Carla gets all her rugga knowledge from Grandmaster Google, so sometimes, if it doesn’t make sense, blame Rugby365, or Wikipedia…
18 Jan 2007, 14:47 pm
Steyn, as a big guy, will prove to be just a fraction slow off the mark for a truly great 10.
He looks and plays like a natural 15.
18 Jan 2007, 14:47 pm
Saint
And you would definately know when someone is good “from the back”!
18 Jan 2007, 14:47 pm
Saint, sy suffer van Medomalacuphobia…
18 Jan 2007, 14:50 pm
David, I agree, Steyn is a good 15 and I would play him there for the WC.
18 Jan 2007, 14:52 pm
hmmm suffers from eisoptrophobia…
18 Jan 2007, 14:55 pm
LOL Supa!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 14:55 pm
die hele stormers span suffer defnitief NIE van peladophobia NIE!
18 Jan 2007, 14:56 pm
Waar`s almal nou?
18 Jan 2007, 14:58 pm
Tony
Van daai goed is n klomp strooi! Wie de hel ly nie aan Liticaphobia nie!
18 Jan 2007, 14:59 pm
FdP and Ricky will be our WC 9′s – I think it is time you lot accept that and move on.
18 Jan 2007, 15:00 pm
Again Carla runs off from the master…
18 Jan 2007, 15:00 pm
Ig
Why do I alway get shat on when I call someone a clown…
18 Jan 2007, 15:00 pm
Dag manne…dit sluit jou in CJ.
18 Jan 2007, 15:01 pm
Rich suffers from Tonyhatesphobia – the fear of Tony.
18 Jan 2007, 15:02 pm
We never play our best players
We are our own worst enemies
sorry Tony only one f* off was meant
18 Jan 2007, 15:02 pm
middag almal
CJ HAVENT YOU GOT A BETTER SAYING THAN 462
18 Jan 2007, 15:02 pm
Supa, daar is `n paar siek puppies out there!
18 Jan 2007, 15:03 pm
kerneels
dont call them a clown
call them what they are
dumbasses lol
how you doing?
18 Jan 2007, 15:03 pm
No rich – we never play our best players in your opinion. I bet you won’t be hard pressed to find some people who disagree with you…
18 Jan 2007, 15:03 pm
491. Exactly Supa, and he stutters badly…
18 Jan 2007, 15:04 pm
ja tony! Nie eers geweet mense fear sulke nonsens nie!
18 Jan 2007, 15:04 pm
Hello Kerneels, Lammie!
Don`t waste your time on rich.
18 Jan 2007, 15:04 pm
Rich 0
Tony 1
18 Jan 2007, 15:04 pm
1234
18 Jan 2007, 15:05 pm
Rich 0
Tony 2
18 Jan 2007, 15:05 pm
Hey Lam, not bad at all!
CJ, that may just be one of the dumbest things ever posted on Keo – come on ‘girl’, I usually enjoy your posts, even though I almost never agree with them!
18 Jan 2007, 15:05 pm
Tony and Saint the Brothers of Destruction…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 15:07 pm
501 WTF? It is not hard to count if all the numbers sit next to each other on your keyboard…
Hey Tony!
Not wasting my time – I just had a long day and feel like joining the mud fight for a few moments!
18 Jan 2007, 15:08 pm
lol Tony u can give it but u cant take it
its ok
456#
18 Jan 2007, 15:08 pm
501. We`re only at 503 now, too early (some might say premature).
18 Jan 2007, 15:09 pm
Where is Steyn the Dyslexic?
18 Jan 2007, 15:09 pm
Rich
He loves taking it!
Tony
Het jy lam se mail gekry? forward pls.
18 Jan 2007, 15:09 pm
toemaar – het hom tony!
18 Jan 2007, 15:09 pm
hello Saint Tony supa
things that happened today 18 January
1778 – Captain James Cook discovered the Sandwich Islands, now known as Hawaii.
1871 – King Wilhelm I of Prussia was proclaimed the first Kaiser of the German Empire (flag pictured), a newly unified nation state.
1958 – Willie O’Ree of the Boston Bruins played his first game in the National Hockey League, breaking the color barrier in professional ice hockey.
1977 – The mysterious Legionnaires’ disease was found to be caused by a novel bacterium now known as Legionella.
2003 – The Canberra Firestorm: Bushfires burning out of control began blazing through residential areas of Canberra, Australia.
2007 Carla Jane speaks k@K again
18 Jan 2007, 15:10 pm
506. I`m still here and I`m taking it. I didn`t come back with a clever retort like “f*uckoff you clown” or anything like that.
18 Jan 2007, 15:11 pm
Ek wag nog Supa. In spanning!!!
18 Jan 2007, 15:15 pm
509# Supa siestog
18 Jan 2007, 15:15 pm
Tony F*ck off you tosser…
18 Jan 2007, 15:16 pm
LMAO at 511 lam!
18 Jan 2007, 15:17 pm
rich
Het jy ooit verstaan wat ek bedoel????????????
18 Jan 2007, 15:23 pm
Saint, it`s ok, I forgive you.
18 Jan 2007, 15:24 pm
dont worry Supa
i read what u said
515# lol
Howzit The Saint
18 Jan 2007, 15:24 pm
Supa
Nie eers jou ma verstaan wat jy bedoel nie…
18 Jan 2007, 15:27 pm
saint
Maar JOU ma verstaan my – dis al wat saak maak!
18 Jan 2007, 15:28 pm
Howzit all.Tony Moneo why so irritated?Missing your buddy The Tackler?
18 Jan 2007, 15:29 pm
My ma is dood
18 Jan 2007, 15:33 pm
myne ook
18 Jan 2007, 15:34 pm
#523
Nie regtig nie, maar NETNOU was ek ‘n weeskind, wat dan Supa?
18 Jan 2007, 15:34 pm
520# LoL
18 Jan 2007, 15:36 pm
ek is REGTIG! Jy is die een wat begin het…
Rich
Om elke keer vir saint te lag gaan hom nie jou maat maak nie…
18 Jan 2007, 15:36 pm
527 is vir saint
18 Jan 2007, 15:36 pm
Howzit Fern, what the hell? Tackler?
18 Jan 2007, 15:37 pm
Supa net Carla Jane en die kommin campers maak ma grappies…
18 Jan 2007, 15:37 pm
Tony so are you denying you are friends?Werent you in NZ as well?
18 Jan 2007, 15:38 pm
ek sien GBS het vir Dawn bangemaak gister sy is nerens vandag skies IT is nerens vandag
18 Jan 2007, 15:38 pm
Saint
Nou hoekom het jy dan EERSTE die grap gemaak moegoe???????!!!
18 Jan 2007, 15:39 pm
SUPA
#530
Dis vir my bedoel ook…
18 Jan 2007, 15:39 pm
527# Supa grow up you are not 12 anymore
18 Jan 2007, 15:39 pm
Supa, ja nee, die mannetjie dink hy`t `n buddy.
18 Jan 2007, 15:40 pm
530
Saint
ek stem nie saam nie ek het n kakhuis vol jou ma jokes, mense wat dit persoonlik vat wil dit persoonlik vat so dat hulle kan kak maak
n grap is presies dit N GRAP
18 Jan 2007, 15:40 pm
Lam
El het my moeg gelag vir daai mail nounet! Beste een in n laaaaaaaaag tyd! Al wat snaakser as dit kan wees is n foto van Saint wat die hoenders doodval!
18 Jan 2007, 15:41 pm
Rich
No one here likes you – not even saint so fark off!
18 Jan 2007, 15:42 pm
Fern, never lived there. I`ve just visited the place a few times.
18 Jan 2007, 15:43 pm
tony
Jy al daai mail van Lam oor Steyn gekry??
18 Jan 2007, 15:44 pm
Lam
Ek het actually kak gemaak…hehe
18 Jan 2007, 15:45 pm
Tony nothing better than some saveloy sausages on a gas bbq I have been told.Where have you been?
18 Jan 2007, 15:46 pm
Daai mail is nie snaaks nie…
Dis die mees disgustingste ding wat ek in my hele lewe gesien het…
Ek is naar, ek voel olik…fark man…SIEK SIEK SIEK!!!
18 Jan 2007, 15:47 pm
lol at saint – daai “hehe” klink baie verlee
18 Jan 2007, 15:48 pm
#543
Then obviously you have never tasted braaivleis…
18 Jan 2007, 15:48 pm
Hello to all my favourite boneheads!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 15:48 pm
Supa doos
18 Jan 2007, 15:49 pm
Saint I have,the person telling me this has never tasted braaivleis.
18 Jan 2007, 15:50 pm
SUPA
Daai hehe is baie verlee
18 Jan 2007, 15:51 pm
saint supa
ek het julle lekker insults gestier ek het dit hier probeer pos maar IG blok dit
cmmon IG
FREEDOM OF SPeeCH???
18 Jan 2007, 15:51 pm
baie oorspronklik rich! Jeez must be the first time i heard that! Idiot…
18 Jan 2007, 15:51 pm
rich
You gonna say something original soon?
Cause otherwise we will have to let you go…
18 Jan 2007, 15:52 pm
mr lam
nog nie gekry – maar as iets blok sit net ! tussen in. Bv Rich is n po!efter
18 Jan 2007, 15:52 pm
538
SUPA
ja dit was K@K snaaks kon nie help maar ek moes Niel terug kry gister vir daai Spider episode
18 Jan 2007, 15:52 pm
Fern, when they make hot dogs I laugh my *** off!!! A piece of bread with no margarine and a white sausage. They roll the bread around it and whalla, a snack! Flippin hilarious!!!
NZ food seriously suck!!
Been to most of the North Island, I have family in Auckland. Must say it`s a beautiful country. Bay of Islands is magnificent. However, it is sooooo boring!
Next time I want to go see the South Island.
18 Jan 2007, 15:53 pm
rich I find your posts very poor.
18 Jan 2007, 15:53 pm
Lam
You dumb clown…
Change the spelling, if they let rich in, anything goes…
18 Jan 2007, 15:54 pm
Fok Lam – i let you okes get away with murder
18 Jan 2007, 15:54 pm
You see Rich – everyone think you are lame!
Lam
Die snaakse was toe jy byskryf “N op vakansie”. ek het my doodgelag! Jammer Steyn maar dit was snaaks buddy…
18 Jan 2007, 15:55 pm
IG
your leaving anyway I will email you the page then you decide
18 Jan 2007, 15:55 pm
Supa, whats it with you and name calling? Were you bullied as a child???
18 Jan 2007, 15:56 pm
So Tony in short you couldnt life there?
18 Jan 2007, 15:56 pm
ja saint and he let Stormers in…i think he is Ig’s charity case!
18 Jan 2007, 15:57 pm
stormers
No, the bullies pick on weaklings like you…
18 Jan 2007, 15:58 pm
Lam – already read it – it ain’t gonna get published
18 Jan 2007, 15:58 pm
The Saint what are u on about?
I always attack people who initiate insults.
Tony and the other
557# what do u find poor about my posts?
18 Jan 2007, 15:59 pm
Ja ouens , hoe lyk die krag sake ? Gelukkig darem nie hier kragonderbrekings gehad nie.
Any of the games being broadcast over the weekend guys ? or is it just me and the castle again.
18 Jan 2007, 16:00 pm
Ek het die Steyn joke gekry, dis hilarious!!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:01 pm
Andre
drinking castle is making love in a canoe
******* CLOSE TO WATER
18 Jan 2007, 16:01 pm
Middag andre
Ek **** nou oor die radio die hele land gaan binne die volgende week of twee krag onderbrekings kry! Plase, stede almal
18 Jan 2007, 16:02 pm
Ig
When’s the party ? are we invited for a dop ?
18 Jan 2007, 16:02 pm
NZ cooking is a hoot compared to the English…
I was in LOndon for a while, working holiday…
Saved up 3 days to buy myself the juiciest Rump Steak I could afford…
Took it home to the flat I shared with one SAFFA and two pommies, put it in the fridge and went off trying to find charcoal or at least wood or something…
Found some wood, went back, opened the fridge, STEAK GONE!!!!
One of the farking POMS cut it up in blocks and made a stew…. A FARKING STEW…
Fight broke out… SAFFAS 2…..POMS 0
18 Jan 2007, 16:02 pm
rich
Attack? You call that attack? Damn that was so weak – then i dont wanna see your defence…
18 Jan 2007, 16:03 pm
IG where you going by the way or is it a case of if you tell me you gonna have to kill me
18 Jan 2007, 16:04 pm
rich if your posts were even faintly amuzing, I’d join your fight, but as it is D@@S seems to be all you got…
18 Jan 2007, 16:04 pm
Supa, i’ll give you a P@#$ klap any day of the week buddy!!! Any day of the week!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:04 pm
Andre ?
Lam – end of march, but hopefully the new guy will be running the show by then and i will do some coasting – lagging my *** off while you guys tear him a new one.
18 Jan 2007, 16:04 pm
573
LMFAO
18 Jan 2007, 16:05 pm
I think Ig got Keo’s old job as Springbok Media consultant…
18 Jan 2007, 16:05 pm
IG not when.
WHERE??
18 Jan 2007, 16:05 pm
Fern, the funny thing is I could live there. Great country and a wonderful place to raise kids. BUT, I love SA and this is my country.
18 Jan 2007, 16:06 pm
Saint that is hectic.Worse about a scenario like the hotdog one TM described is because you are a guest you get a big helping.After forcing it down you have to lie to the people when asked if you enjoyed your meal.
18 Jan 2007, 16:06 pm
Lstormers
like you got as a child at school?? bwhaaaaa…you! bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
18 Jan 2007, 16:07 pm
LAM
#579
I did not find that even remotely funny at the time, couldn’t use my right hand for almost a week…
On the other hand, they couldn’t eat their farking stew, had to order soup, if you knw what I mean…
18 Jan 2007, 16:07 pm
o ja stormers…im not your buddy!!!!!!!!!11
18 Jan 2007, 16:08 pm
582.Exactly Tony it’s not home.Surely if you could choose between sitting at a scenic place there and having a beer compared to doing it in SA you would prob choose SA.
18 Jan 2007, 16:09 pm
585
thats the only language pommies understand
messing with a saffas steak,
they should have been shot
18 Jan 2007, 16:09 pm
Stormers…
Any day of the week? Come on man, you sound like rich, people have been banned for saying things less stupid…
18 Jan 2007, 16:09 pm
Lam – i plan to move to Tshwane and grow a mustache and challenge Supa’s dominance of DVD sales at robots…..
18 Jan 2007, 16:10 pm
590
that one I heard
remeber i already place my order for Debbie does Dallas
18 Jan 2007, 16:11 pm
Ek hoop die nuwe ou gaan so nice wees soos ou Ig was. Soek nie ‘n ou wat heeldag met ‘n dikbek gaan rondsit daar in sy kantoor nie. As hy ons die eerste week probleme gee dan moet hy gefire word.
18 Jan 2007, 16:11 pm
Ig
If you take my business, ill have you killed!
Cant believe you still remeber me saying that – that was months back!
Stormers
Po@S klap?? What do you know about po@3s?? Playing with your sister doesnt mean you no something…
18 Jan 2007, 16:11 pm
Stormers whats with the aggro bru
we are relaxed here dude
take a chill pill
18 Jan 2007, 16:12 pm
Ig
Se net vir die nuwe ou hy moet nie alles ernstig op neem nie!! anders gaan keo vir sy sielkundige moet betaal!
18 Jan 2007, 16:14 pm
Sorry Mr Lam.
Supa tends to get the worst out of all bloggers on this site!!!!
#593 thats classy Supa. Sounds about right for you BUDDY!!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:15 pm
Ig
Your farwell party ? can we come ? I am sure Keo is going to make it a big one. Lots of dop
18 Jan 2007, 16:15 pm
Supa – i be filling my 3litre cortina with Tikkoppe – they will be running my defence – i am not afraid.
18 Jan 2007, 16:15 pm
Ig is going to miss the brotherhood, especially after he sees what we have planned for the new guy…
Stormers and Rich, are you guys gone now?
18 Jan 2007, 16:17 pm
Andre – sure, but i am not sure there will be one, happy to sneak out the back door and come back as a rabid province supporter freed for the bounds of keeping everyone else in line !
18 Jan 2007, 16:17 pm
stormers
Dont think ppl here like you! Lam etc would chose my side anyday of the week you plonker!
18 Jan 2007, 16:17 pm
Jeepers people relax,chill.No one on this blog is posting from jail,or part of the Bali Nine.Increase the peace.
18 Jan 2007, 16:18 pm
596
Ya he can do that but here we all sort of like to piss each other off in a non derrogative way,
thats why IG got a new job he couldnt afford his phsycologist bills anymore, anyway Supa’s DVD street sales seems liek a good market to conquer
GOOD LUCK IG
18 Jan 2007, 16:18 pm
Still here Saint.
18 Jan 2007, 16:18 pm
Stormers
I am also a stormer, but you started the p@ESklap thing man, not SUPA, don’t bail out now…
18 Jan 2007, 16:19 pm
saint
School is out – thats why they are here. Tomorrow morning they’ll go back to Pofadder school for Crazy children!
Ig
If you want a new Ford to go with your new look – give GBS a call – he is from Brakpan!
18 Jan 2007, 16:20 pm
middag almal behalwe rich en sy stormer maatjie
ig(600) haha, then we’ll see your true personality?
18 Jan 2007, 16:21 pm
MMMM bend over and show me your dark side
has returned
hello YODA
18 Jan 2007, 16:21 pm
Ig
A good place to sell DVD’s is at Stain’s (Steyn) tollbooth, he even has a Stained Britney poster for entertainment and recreational use…
18 Jan 2007, 16:22 pm
Fern, exactly buddy, no place like home! Especially since I`m moving to Stellenbosch in May.
I`m off everybody, cheers friends, goodbye rich.
18 Jan 2007, 16:22 pm
Be sure to give him a call Supa…..
Lol Yoda – nah but it means i can swear back !
18 Jan 2007, 16:22 pm
saint
Dis dieselfde poepol met wie ons so paar maande terug ook vasgesit het – hyt nog vertel hy kry enige girl en sulke stront! ek het toe vir hom gelag…en nou weer!
18 Jan 2007, 16:22 pm
609 and he is popular with the ladies
just today Patience was telling me he is the best she has ever had
18 Jan 2007, 16:23 pm
Yo yo yo Yoda, what it is motha? hehe
18 Jan 2007, 16:23 pm
Yoda
Ig wil log on and give us all the **** he can! To make up for months of hell!
18 Jan 2007, 16:24 pm
613.Who is this scoring the babes bigtime??
18 Jan 2007, 16:25 pm
lam
you think about peoples darkside far too much buddy
18 Jan 2007, 16:25 pm
#614
Maria, Zihle, Johanna and Sipho!! concurred this statement…
18 Jan 2007, 16:25 pm
Lam
Is it pick on Steyn day of what? As hy jou **** gaan hy jou kom verwoes!
18 Jan 2007, 16:25 pm
615
BRING IT ON IG
we will by that time have tamed the new WM and made him our *****
18 Jan 2007, 16:25 pm
Ig, now`s a good time to start the re-set of Supa`s account…..
TM out
18 Jan 2007, 16:26 pm
saint nothing is the motha, jy moet bieki hierdie stormers vriend van jul uitsort, die man het probleme…
18 Jan 2007, 16:26 pm
SUPA
everyday is pick on Steyn day
18 Jan 2007, 16:26 pm
Stormers well said,
Supa aint never gonna grow up
i remember guys like him in the army
all talk and no show
18 Jan 2007, 16:26 pm
Ig is gonna **** bricks if he logs on without his banning priveleges, he will be fair game…
18 Jan 2007, 16:27 pm
Supa you are such an eloquent bloke (look it up it the dictionary).
You are my hero!!!!
Saint, glad to hear you are a stormer. Thing with Supa is he continually reverts to name calling. Check all the blogs. That irritates me immensely!!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:27 pm
cheers all I gotta go.had my new fridge delivered today so this calls for a celebratory braai.
18 Jan 2007, 16:27 pm
cheers all
will be in late tomorw meetings in JHB
bye
18 Jan 2007, 16:28 pm
rich
this is a blog. all you do here is “talk and no show”
what do u expect supa to do? fly through the ****** pc screen?
18 Jan 2007, 16:29 pm
ag rich! I made it through Joburg central at 2pm – so dont come to me with your army talk!
Tony
Los n bom en vlug jy?
18 Jan 2007, 16:29 pm
ys SUPA
hoe op n bullie wees
hehehe
18 Jan 2007, 16:29 pm
Shame stormers go and call the irritate police!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:29 pm
LMAO at yoda!Thats should keep him busy for a while! Not as popular as you thought Rich? Shame…
18 Jan 2007, 16:30 pm
stormers
as i can remember you were the one screaming rants about supa’s wife-to-be etc, and calling afrikaners all kind of names the other day, so dont try and pin “namecalling” on supa. you started the feud champ…
18 Jan 2007, 16:31 pm
LOL Yoda
18 Jan 2007, 16:31 pm
stormers
And YOU irritate us immensly…so if i am bothering you – feel free to leave!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:32 pm
lol Supa u made it thru evolution
18 Jan 2007, 16:32 pm
thank you yoda! Someone who remembers! Yeah, i forgot – he had a mouthful over Afrikaans people calling them trash etc!
18 Jan 2007, 16:32 pm
Yoda, Yoda Yoda
18 Jan 2007, 16:33 pm
Hey
Ek bly in Kempton en Kempton piss op die army ne supa!!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:34 pm
Nah Saint – its gonna be sweet, i won’t 3000 folks bitching
18 Jan 2007, 16:34 pm
#626
I met Supa at his insulting best, thing you gotta keep in mind is, Supa, doesn’t know you, this is a blog, or game, if you come around threatening to administer P@ESKLAPPE you are gonna get bitten…
You are lucky boerboel, wallabie, pietman, GBS and Koos isn’t here, bar GBS and Wallabie all of them are stormers, but they would have torn you apart…
Trick is to use his own shite against him, don’t insult, find a solution…
18 Jan 2007, 16:36 pm
lmao at steyn! Gaan nie met jou stry nie! Maar GBs maak dit in Brakpan! Hy is die taaiste! hehehe
18 Jan 2007, 16:37 pm
Ig
#641
Hehe, I will laugh my arse off if the new guy bans you…
18 Jan 2007, 16:37 pm
Hehehe Saint, i be sure to set myself up with a couple of accounts before i leave.
18 Jan 2007, 16:38 pm
Ag Saint
why defend the indefendable
the sooner Stormer klaps him the better
18 Jan 2007, 16:38 pm
Stain
Have you read the posts about you Tommy Tollbooth?
18 Jan 2007, 16:38 pm
ig’s gonna lose his temper, because the all the muppits are gonna come after him, and then he’l get banned. wont that be ironic…
18 Jan 2007, 16:39 pm
Saint, jy sal baie moet lag om daardie dik gat van jou af te lag
18 Jan 2007, 16:39 pm
Heheh Yoda – you guys give yourself to much credit
18 Jan 2007, 16:40 pm
#645
Isn’t that against the rules?
#646
Supa does not need me defending him, I am just tutoring you junior okes…
18 Jan 2007, 16:40 pm
hahahaha ex (649)
18 Jan 2007, 16:40 pm
saint
Thats to much for him! He insulted all Afrikaans people last time – so GBS, Pietman etc wont have much time for him.
Anyway, im almost on my way home…
cheers all die manne en stormers
18 Jan 2007, 16:41 pm
ya rich – you are a junior! hehehe Keep hoping! You are alreaddy on the wrong side of the bond!
18 Jan 2007, 16:41 pm
Ex
As my gat ‘n farking area kode gehad het soos joune, het ek my bek gehou….
18 Jan 2007, 16:41 pm
already
18 Jan 2007, 16:42 pm
Cheers Supa.
Don’t worry about Stormer, he is on his own.
Sorry, forgot Rich is somewhere up his arse.
18 Jan 2007, 16:42 pm
saint 1
Rich – 1
18 Jan 2007, 16:43 pm
Ig
We can be pretty irritating, you once got so pissed off, you actually called the brotherhood Steyn and his farking clan…
18 Jan 2007, 16:44 pm
hehe expl
thanx for the support…lol
cheers manne – praat more
18 Jan 2007, 16:44 pm
ja well no fine
18 Jan 2007, 16:44 pm
haha saint 655, well done…
18 Jan 2007, 16:44 pm
Saint – Ek **** jy verlaat Ermelo omdat die stadsraad besluit het jy moet ‘n nommerplaat dra.
18 Jan 2007, 16:47 pm
#663
Ek **** jy verlaat die kaap omdat die ‘Save a Whale foundation’ jou elke keer try terug rol in die see as jy op die strand lê…
18 Jan 2007, 16:47 pm
Hey Saint, Ex en al die manne.
Ek het volgende week n toer daar by my tolhek.
Julle moet kom sal lekker wees om julle een vir een voor n bus in te gooi!!!!
18 Jan 2007, 16:49 pm
yep Saint u c that insults dont feel nice
oh well what goes around cums around
18 Jan 2007, 16:49 pm
Ag Ig
We Love you man!!!!!!!
I think the wp supporters more then others
18 Jan 2007, 16:49 pm
Steyn- dis net jy wat kan bly raak oor ‘n tolhek toer.
Dalk moet jy sommer jouself eerste gooi.
18 Jan 2007, 16:50 pm
Steyn
Dankie en alles…
Maar ek weet nie of jy tyd gaan kry tussen Patience en jou Britney poster nie…
18 Jan 2007, 16:51 pm
Cheers Saint, Steyn, Yoda en al die ander f@kkers.
Cheers Ig
18 Jan 2007, 16:51 pm
Cheers EX
sien more
18 Jan 2007, 16:52 pm
Rich
You are missing the point man, I don’t care about the insults, I give as good as I get, I never lose my temper…
18 Jan 2007, 16:52 pm
rich
its weird how you should post on the number of the beast. should we be scared?
18 Jan 2007, 16:52 pm
ek is ook weg.
cheers people
18 Jan 2007, 16:52 pm
cheers ex
18 Jan 2007, 16:55 pm
Cheers manne
Laat ek weg wees….
Rich & Stormers
You have been victims of the brotherhood, it happens, take it on the chin, and forget about it, thsi is all in the sake of fun…
Nothing personal, hell we don’t even know you…
18 Jan 2007, 16:55 pm
rich
saint is lying, he gets very angry, he’s on his 3rd screen this month! that should make u happy diablo…
18 Jan 2007, 16:57 pm
Hehe Yoda…
18 Jan 2007, 17:04 pm
666 way to go
i dont believe in that nonsense
13 is my lucky number
yoda never believe what people older than u have told u
they are clueless
18 Jan 2007, 17:09 pm
cool rich, just kidding around, have a good night
18 Jan 2007, 17:24 pm
Is it safe.
18 Jan 2007, 17:26 pm
Lol Dawn yes it is safe to *** out
18 Jan 2007, 17:41 pm
Yeah Dawn
Talk to Rich and Stormer.
Nobody else wants to.
Have fun.
18 Jan 2007, 17:46 pm
hallo pietman, jy nog hier?
18 Jan 2007, 17:55 pm
Boks julle nogsteeds?
18 Jan 2007, 17:56 pm
Hello Pietie.
Hoe lyk dit blaar?
18 Jan 2007, 17:58 pm
Zik my blaar.
18 Jan 2007, 20:21 pm
Teams:
Bulls (18.00 kick-off): 15 Johan Roets, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 JP Nel, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Derick Hougaard, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Anton Leonard, 7 Wikus van Heerden, 6 Pedrie Wannenburg, 5 Victor Matfield (captain), 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 Rayno Gerber, 2 Gary Botha, 1 Jaco Engels
Replacements: 16 James van der Walt, 17 Wessel Roux, 18 Danie Thiart, 19 Francois van Schouwenburg, 20 Adriaan Fondse, 21 Derick Kuün, 22 Nicholas Eyre, 23 Morné Steyn, 24 Wayne Julies, 25 Marius Delport, 26 Rocco Jansen
Bulls XV (16.00 kick-off): 15 Stefan Basson, 14 Rocco Jansen, 13 Frikkie Welsh, 12 Dries Scholtz, 11 Marius Delport, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Nicholas Eyre, 8 Dewald Potgieter, 7 Deon Stegman, 6 Adriaan Fondse, 5 Francois van Schouwenburg, 4 Cliffie Milton, 3 Danie Thiart, 2 Derick Kuün, 1 Wessel Roux (C)
Replacements: 16 James van der Walt, 17 Richard Bands, 18 Werner Kruger, 19 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 20 Gerhard Human, 21 Emile Verster, 22 Gerrie Odendaal, 23 Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 24 Braam Gerber, 25 John Mametsa
die 2 bulle spanne vir die naweek teen die leeus
19 Jan 2007, 09:49 am
Iemand het gister op ‘n blog so stuk geplaas van “Currie etery” ek kan nie onthou waar dit was nie.
Kan jul help?
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