Comments on: Poms pasted in Paris http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/ An independent look at South African rugby Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:02:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: biltongbreath http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634944 biltongbreath Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:47:45 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634944 but as for 36-0.... whoooooooooooooooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! BOKNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII !!! but as for 36-0….

whoooooooooooooooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

BOKNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII !!!

]]> By: biltongbreath http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634940 biltongbreath Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:45:37 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634940 re:594 too true Joe Maher. Alistair Coetzee is the most inept backline coach in international rugby; his time with the hapless EP proves this. If it were'nt for Eddie Jones, our world cup campaign would be dead in the water. as for Gert, there is a problem with our scrummaging. In a business environment, these 2 guys would be back in the fold looking for a coaching job with boland or border bulldogs... time to be professionals... re:594

too true Joe Maher.

Alistair Coetzee is the most inept backline coach in international rugby; his time with the hapless EP proves this.

If it were’nt for Eddie Jones, our world cup campaign would be dead in the water.

as for Gert, there is a problem with our scrummaging.

In a business environment, these 2 guys would be back in the fold looking for a coaching job with boland or border bulldogs…

time to be professionals…

]]> By: rugby911 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634158 rugby911 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:57:47 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634158 Guys pathetic - squabling about our coach in a time when we should be uniting behind the whole team, coach and staff. Shame on you! Guys pathetic – squabling about our coach in a time when we should be uniting behind the whole team, coach and staff.
Shame on you!

]]> By: wpforever http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634064 wpforever Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:42:24 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634064 And Tackler you dropped "your load " ha ha ha And Tackler you dropped “your load ” ha ha ha

]]> By: TheTackler http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634055 TheTackler Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:30:27 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634055 Gertie Smal.... Yeah, right! Gertie Smal….

Yeah, right!

]]> By: gus-man http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634053 gus-man Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:27:55 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634053 this ashton is a pathetic excuse for a coach. how can he say that their performance was an improvement on their game against the US. they scored sero points - how can that be an improvement !!! this ashton is a pathetic excuse for a coach.

how can he say that their performance was an improvement on their game against the US.

they scored sero points – how can that be an improvement !!!

]]> By: Joe Maher http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634045 Joe Maher Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:19:01 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634045 embryonic...just in case The Headmaster's still logged on... Anyway, I'm outta here, time to watch some sport rather than discuss and debate it. Go well, all. Go exceptionally well, Boks. embryonic…just in case The Headmaster’s still logged on…

Anyway, I’m outta here, time to watch some sport rather than discuss and debate it.

Go well, all.

Go exceptionally well, Boks.

]]> By: Joe Maher http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634044 Joe Maher Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:15:33 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634044 Sorry, David, must disagree. Jake has done a very good job under most trying circumstances. Give any chief exec kak managers (like Coetzee and Smal) and he's pushing shyte uphill. In this day and age of specialisation, you need your specialist managers to deliver within their departments. Blame Jake for sticking with kak Gert, I'll concede. But he had no choice when it came to kaksleg, politically-imposed Coetzee. In a busines environment, both should have - indeed, would have - been shown the door long ago. But that's not possible in South Africa's embroyonic post-apartheid political environment. Harsh, unpallatable, but fact. Sorry, David, must disagree.

Jake has done a very good job under most trying circumstances.

Give any chief exec kak managers (like Coetzee and Smal) and he’s pushing ***** uphill. In this day and age of specialisation, you need your specialist managers to deliver within their departments.

Blame Jake for sticking with kak Gert, I’ll concede. But he had no choice when it came to kaksleg, politically-imposed Coetzee.

In a busines environment, both should have – indeed, would have – been shown the door long ago.

But that’s not possible in South Africa’s embroyonic post-apartheid political environment.

Harsh, unpallatable, but fact.

]]> By: 4teen http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634026 4teen Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:34:51 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634026 Good on Jake! Call it as you like… the Aussies were World champions and top rated when we were still in isolation. They were figuring out how to improve their Rugby academies when we were thinking to start some! Smaller player pools forced them longtime ago to develop their Rugby technical approach to be competitive too. For a SA coach to keep up with the best without additional input will be a daunting task without assistance… at least our coaches used their heads and stuck their pride somewhere else and went to learn the better ways. This “learn from the best approach” is becoming evident: just look the growth and adaptation of modern principals into our rugby unions! The Aussies tenure at to top is at a crossroad and I think teams like Griquas and Boland will give their clubs a good run for their money these days. When considering that Griquas lost seven players too clubs overseas one realizes that our growth curve is phenomenal and acknowledged! Why do you think the Aussies embraced these new Rugby rules with such a speed; because becoming familiar with these rules ASAP is their only chance to stay at the top! I still think JW did well with Eddie, the eye doc and the shrink. Yeye, Coetzee, Hoskins, ANCYL, minister of sport etc. are the blue ticks (Political Parasites) around the Springboks arse! Good on Jake!

Call it as you like… the Aussies were World champions and top rated when we were still in isolation. They were figuring out how to improve their Rugby academies when we were thinking to start some!

Smaller player pools forced them longtime ago to develop their Rugby technical approach to be competitive too.

For a SA coach to keep up with the best without additional input will be a daunting task without assistance… at least our coaches used their heads and stuck their pride somewhere else and went to learn the better ways.

This “learn from the best approach” is becoming evident: just look the growth and adaptation of modern principals into our rugby unions!

The Aussies tenure at to top is at a crossroad and I think teams like Griquas and Boland will give their clubs a good run for their money these days.

When considering that Griquas lost seven players too clubs overseas one realizes that our growth curve is phenomenal and acknowledged!

Why do you think the Aussies embraced these new Rugby rules with such a speed; because becoming familiar with these rules ASAP is their only chance to stay at the top!

I still think JW did well with Eddie, the eye doc and the shrink. Yeye, Coetzee, Hoskins, ANCYL, minister of sport etc. are the blue ticks (Political Parasites) around the Springboks arse!

]]> By: butana http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634020 butana Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:27:51 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634020 that was until that was until

]]> By: butana http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634019 butana Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:27:02 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634019 Larkham out unti quarterfinals Larkham out unti quarterfinals

]]> By: David http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634004 David Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:51 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634004 Skop Yes, Schalk was a revelation when he moved to 8 against Samoa. For me, his suspension that prevents continuing with that experiment before the QF, was probably the biggest blow. Skop
Yes, Schalk was a revelation when he moved to 8 against Samoa. For me, his suspension that prevents continuing with that experiment before the QF, was probably the biggest blow.

]]> By: Just a Fan http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634002 Just a Fan Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:36 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634002 No point in talking to you skopskiet - you have used your last braincell..... No point in talking to you skopskiet – you have used your last braincell…..

]]> By: TheTackler http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634001 TheTackler Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:15:12 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-634001 Alister Coetzee would, on purest merit, be allowed to coach nothing more than the Rondebosch BHS 5th XV. But the biggest Bok flop didn't come in the back division. It came up front. Where the untransformed white boy Gert Smal miraculously retains his job. His front row was pathetic. Well, not quite. Os carried his load. Smit carried his load. BJ Botha got absolutely MONSTERED by Andy Sheridan. Alister Coetzee would, on purest merit, be allowed to coach nothing more than the Rondebosch BHS 5th XV.

But the biggest Bok flop didn’t come in the back division.

It came up front. Where the untransformed white boy Gert Smal miraculously retains his job.

His front row was pathetic.

Well, not quite.

Os carried his load. Smit carried his load. BJ Botha got absolutely MONSTERED by Andy Sheridan.

]]> By: skopskiet http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633997 skopskiet Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:11:04 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633997 Anyway I am extremely happy to see some 'vordering' at long last, keep it up, but sort out the front row and 8th man positions quick, when Schalk comes back put him at 8 and keep Wickus at 6, Danie can play lock off the bench. Anyway I am extremely happy to see some ‘vordering’ at long last, keep it up, but sort out the front row and 8th man positions quick, when Schalk comes back put him at 8 and keep Wickus at 6, Danie can play lock off the bench.

]]> By: skopskiet http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633987 skopskiet Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:06:19 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633987 It needed an Aussie to sort our dumb no brain minds out, like it needed an Aussie to put the bulls and sharks attacks on track so it needed an Aussie to put the boks into shape, so credit to White for realising it albeit a little late that we don't have gumption or courage or vision of our own until we employ Aussie thinkers into our mix then all of a sudden we become world beaters. But White on his own with Coetsee and Smal we would have still been the shambles we were before, the winners here will come from the brave commitments of Steyn, van Heerden, FdP and JP, Habana, Pienaar etc. mostly late inclusions apart from FdP and Habana, but certain necessities to this years cause. It needed an Aussie to sort our dumb no brain minds out, like it needed an Aussie to put the bulls and sharks attacks on track so it needed an Aussie to put the boks into shape, so credit to White for realising it albeit a little late that we don’t have gumption or courage or vision of our own until we employ Aussie thinkers into our mix then all of a sudden we become world beaters.
But White on his own with Coetsee and Smal we would have still been the shambles we were before, the winners here will come from the brave commitments of Steyn, van Heerden, FdP and JP, Habana, Pienaar etc. mostly late inclusions apart from FdP and Habana, but certain necessities to this years cause.

]]> By: 4teen http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633984 4teen Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:04:36 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633984 #577... Virgins are like ghosts… people talk a lot about them, but confirmable sightings... are seldom! #577… Virgins are like ghosts… people talk a lot about them, but confirmable sightings… are seldom!

]]> By: David http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633979 David Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:03:28 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633979 Joe Jake has been the "coach" for 4 years, so I don't think that Coetzee and Gert can carry all the blame as his assistants. The fact that he's brought in Eddie is admirable, but let's face it, the differences in both forward and back play since Eddie joined shows that Jake wasn't up to doing the coaching job at this level. He managed to bring the Boks so far, but the tactical and playing skills that we are now seeing is where he fell short. And that's the one thing that a coach is employed for. Joe
Jake has been the “coach” for 4 years, so I don’t think that Coetzee and Gert can carry all the blame as his assistants.
The fact that he’s brought in Eddie is admirable, but let’s face it, the differences in both forward and back play since Eddie joined shows that Jake wasn’t up to doing the coaching job at this level. He managed to bring the Boks so far, but the tactical and playing skills that we are now seeing is where he fell short. And that’s the one thing that a coach is employed for.

]]> By: 4teen http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633975 4teen Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:02:18 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633975 #575... JW have a big heavy ball and chain to drag wherever he goes in the form of SA political correctness… Coetzee is just one of the chapters! If JW’s stay with Boks could be compared with an exam… he would score 60% in my eyes; he made a lot of foolish mistakes but he passed. If he must leave after the WC there will be a foundation worth building on! The only question I have is… will they use 1st grade baked clay brick or the same brittle bricks used the build the cracking RDP houses! #575… JW have a big heavy ball and chain to drag wherever he goes in the form of SA political correctness…

Coetzee is just one of the chapters!

If JW’s stay with Boks could be compared with an exam… he would score 60% in my eyes; he made a lot of foolish mistakes but he passed.

If he must leave after the WC there will be a foundation worth building on!

The only question I have is… will they use 1st grade baked clay brick or the same brittle bricks used the build the cracking RDP houses!

]]> By: skopskiet http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633966 skopskiet Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:57:35 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/14/boks-0-england-0-9pm-ko/#comment-633966 Yes surrey it is true, perhaps in the nick of time Jake realised his own weaknesses and luckily enough as is the case with a few unfolding situations around this campaign destiny favored the situation because Eddy was ostracised out of Aussie rugger fraternities and sought a platform to show them up, what better situation than to team up with Jake who was floundering for tactical and strategic acumen, and badly. So it is highly fortuitous that now we have two head coaches training this team or perhaps they've switched roles, Eddy being coach and Jake being manager. Yes surrey it is true, perhaps in the nick of time Jake realised his own weaknesses and luckily enough as is the case with a few unfolding situations around this campaign destiny favored the situation because Eddy was ostracised out of Aussie rugger fraternities and sought a platform to show them up, what better situation than to team up with Jake who was floundering for tactical and strategic acumen, and badly. So it is highly fortuitous that now we have two head coaches training this team or perhaps they’ve switched roles, Eddy being coach and Jake being manager.

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