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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-645061</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>217) Agree, Steyn is probably better at 15 he can carry the ball up well, and also gets you out of danger with his booming boot(if he can find touch).
223)Without knocking his ability at 9 i think Ruan is more effective at 10. I remember him running riot against the Brumbies in Dick Muirs first game as Sharks coach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>217) Agree, Steyn is probably better at 15 he can carry the ball up well, and also gets you out of danger with his booming boot(if he can find touch).<br />
223)Without knocking his ability at 9 i think Ruan is more effective at 10. I remember him running riot against the Brumbies in <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> Muirs first game as Sharks coach.</p>
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		<title>By: alongdrop</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644774</link>
		<dc:creator>alongdrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets see. The AB&#039;s will probably meet France and I reckon the dirty tricks will really come out then. I reckon France is going to try everything to unerve the AB&#039;s - citings, food, noise, the ref... anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets see. The AB&#8217;s will probably meet France and I reckon the dirty tricks will really come out then. I reckon France is going to try everything to unerve the AB&#8217;s &#8211; citings, food, noise, the ref&#8230; anything.</p>
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		<title>By: rucknroll</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644745</link>
		<dc:creator>rucknroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can see carter being nullified but most times when that happens he seems to be intentionally or not, still aiding the cause with others carrying out the  exploits.

i am hoping for a bok/nz final!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can see carter being nullified but most times when that happens he seems to be intentionally or not, still aiding the cause with others carrying out the  exploits.</p>
<p>i am hoping for a bok/nz final!</p>
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		<title>By: rucknroll</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644735</link>
		<dc:creator>rucknroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>228 i see your point. james is the kind of character that never gets intimidated and in fact it is his strength to intimidate, or at least show that he is the big dog in the duel betw the five-eigths.

carter in my opin can be misread even underestimated, and rightly so because heâ€™s got the suave looks like steyn.

the best we could look for his consistency. yes, he hasnâ€™t really done much of late but if one has watched enough of his games, this fella is not the type to buckle, the same way that i donâ€™t expect steyn to do so - the latter has moved on.

there are players that are unassuming [even in the game of rugby where body language can/do play a big part]. most times these guys are even tougher, esp mentally. they are just in there to get the job done. i see carter in this mould.

spencer is mercurial and that is his brilliance. it is his genius to be unorthodox and uncannily creative. rugby doesnâ€™t reward for creative ingenuity. and like with all brilliant people, there are blemishes that god have packaged in them - we know all about that part of spencerâ€™s game.

carter isnâ€™t cut from that same oak. went he started out - amongst the big boys - one could read after awhile that the  mantel of this fella was not something that comes around often. 

iâ€™m talking about execution under pressure over a period of time. the body language only confirmed that this fella was going to stay.

hmm, evans! great talent. i feel for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>228 i see your point. james is the kind of character that never gets intimidated and in fact it is his strength to intimidate, or at least show that he is the big dog in the duel betw the five-eigths.</p>
<p>carter in my opin can be misread even underestimated, and rightly so because heâ€™s got the suave looks like steyn.</p>
<p>the best we could look for his consistency. yes, he hasnâ€™t really done much of late but if one has watched enough of his games, this fella is not the type to buckle, the same way that i donâ€™t expect steyn to do so &#8211; the latter has moved on.</p>
<p>there are players that are unassuming [even in the game of rugby where body language can/do play a big part]. most times these guys are even tougher, esp mentally. they are just in there to get the job done. i see carter in this mould.</p>
<p>spencer is mercurial and that is his brilliance. it is his genius to be unorthodox and uncannily creative. rugby doesnâ€™t reward for creative ingenuity. and like with all brilliant people, there are blemishes that god have packaged in them &#8211; we know all about that part of spencerâ€™s game.</p>
<p>carter isnâ€™t cut from that same oak. went he started out &#8211; amongst the big boys &#8211; one could read after awhile that the  mantel of this fella was not something that comes around often. </p>
<p>iâ€™m talking about execution under pressure over a period of time. the body language only confirmed that this fella was going to stay.</p>
<p>hmm, evans! great talent. i feel for him.</p>
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		<title>By: alongdrop</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644710</link>
		<dc:creator>alongdrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carter for a while now has been off the boil - and he&#039;s feeling the heat because of that. In the test this year when SA almost beat the AB&#039;s, Carter was &#039;upset&#039; with James&#039;s attention. If both countries are in the final and Carter still has not found form he will be under incredible pressure. James just has to nudge him that little further and he&#039;ll crack. I reckon that Carter could another possible Carlos Spencer come final time. He won&#039;t screw up but he&#039;ll be totally nullified. If that&#039;s the case a better option could be Evans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter for a while now has been off the boil &#8211; and he&#8217;s feeling the heat because of that. In the test this year when SA almost beat the AB&#8217;s, Carter was &#8216;upset&#8217; with James&#8217;s attention. If both countries are in the final and Carter still has not found form he will be under incredible pressure. James just has to nudge him that little further and he&#8217;ll crack. I reckon that Carter could another possible Carlos Spencer come final time. He won&#8217;t screw up but he&#8217;ll be totally nullified. If that&#8217;s the case a better option could be Evans.</p>
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		<title>By: rucknroll</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carter is human, but i doubt he is not one to that would fear a certain individual. yes he may not look the part but get this: he has on numerous occasions consistently taken down mortlock and then compete for the ball. now thatâ€™s balls.

yes, he is a poster boy but this country ball got serious nerves/wits. just something iâ€™ve began to notice: the numerous photos iâ€™ve seen of carter, he always appears to be calm even with all the action of tacklers, arms, potentional tacklers surrounding him. just an observation as to why this fella plays so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carter is human, but i doubt he is not one to that would fear a certain individual. yes he may not look the part but get this: he has on numerous occasions consistently taken down mortlock and then compete for the ball. now thatâ€™s balls.</p>
<p>yes, he is a poster boy but this country ball got serious nerves/wits. just something iâ€™ve began to notice: the numerous photos iâ€™ve seen of carter, he always appears to be calm even with all the action of tacklers, arms, potentional tacklers surrounding him. just an observation as to why this fella plays so well.</p>
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		<title>By: alongdrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>alongdrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - Back to James - If it&#039;s an SA NZ final he&#039;s the best guy to have against Carter. Carter sh!ts himself when he sees James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; Back to James &#8211; If it&#8217;s an SA NZ final he&#8217;s the best guy to have against Carter. Carter sh!ts himself when he sees James.</p>
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		<title>By: Manlybok</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644623</link>
		<dc:creator>Manlybok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope Quota,I have also been wondering where Pietman has gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope Quota,I have also been wondering where Pietman has gone.</p>
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		<title>By: quota</title>
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		<dc:creator>quota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skop, Manly have you guys heard from Pietman in Korea&gt; He hasn&#039;t been blogging for weeks.Princess I see your relationship with Fern is on the mend. You guys are like an old married couple.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skop, Manly have you guys heard from Pietman in Korea&gt; He hasn&#8217;t been blogging for weeks.Princess I see your relationship with Fern is on the mend. You guys are like an old married couple.!</p>
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		<title>By: Manlybok</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644617</link>
		<dc:creator>Manlybok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skoppie

I just do not see Pienaar as a no 10,he has all tha natural ability in the world but not the thinking when a different approach is needed halfway through the game.

Definitely a 9 or 15</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skoppie</p>
<p>I just do not see Pienaar as a no 10,he has all tha natural ability in the world but not the thinking when a different approach is needed halfway through the game.</p>
<p>Definitely a 9 or 15</p>
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		<title>By: quota</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644609</link>
		<dc:creator>quota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDhyt I missed it all.Whats this about a baring your chest Princes.Perhaps this site should cereate a capability to cam! lol Had a dozen prawns, a hair cut and now I am on top of the world. And when the Boks take the WC and I have the stillettos as a trophy, i wil go on a binge for one week....in Hong Kong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDhyt I missed it all.Whats this about a baring your chest Princes.Perhaps this site should cereate a capability to cam! lol Had a dozen prawns, a hair cut and now I am on top of the world. And when the Boks take the WC and I have the stillettos as a trophy, i wil go on a binge for one week&#8230;.in Hong Kong.</p>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644598</link>
		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m out too, see you guys, and hopefully Princess too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m out too, see you guys, and hopefully Princess too.</p>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2007/09/26/butch-bullish-about-play-offs/#comment-644596</link>
		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats better fern, well done. hope at least she comes back here to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats better fern, well done. hope at least she comes back here to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed about not using him at 10 David, I think 12 or maybe later 13 is his definite first choice position, he reminds me of a young Mortlock even better and is deadly both on attack and defense. I would play Pienaar at 10 or 15, maybe Grant at 10 or 12 if they can hone some consistency into him, and develop some out and out speed on the wings, Habana and one other speedster, Jake did a disservice to some like Jacque Pretorius who he stuck out on the wing, these coaches know just how to ruin a budding career before it even starts and unlike Steyn and Pienaar how many other prodigious talents are going to fall through the cracks and be snapped up by opposing teams/countries? eg. Ronnie Cook is off to ply his trade for England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed about not using him at 10 David, I think 12 or maybe later 13 is his definite first choice position, he reminds me of a young Mortlock even better and is deadly both on attack and defense. I would play Pienaar at 10 or 15, maybe Grant at 10 or 12 if they can hone some consistency into him, and develop some out and out speed on the wings, Habana and one other speedster, Jake did a disservice to some like Jacque Pretorius who he stuck out on the wing, these coaches know just how to ruin a budding career before it even starts and unlike Steyn and Pienaar how many other prodigious talents are going to fall through the cracks and be snapped up by opposing teams/countries? eg. Ronnie Cook is off to ply his trade for England.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear RP,I apologise unconditionally for my remarks.
have a great day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear RP,I apologise unconditionally for my remarks.<br />
have a great day.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>skopskiet
I suggested trying Steyn at 12 about a year ago and caught flack for trying to turn him into a jack of all trades. Personaly, I feel that&#039;s the closest to the scrum he should be. His reaction times and agility are just a shade too slow for him to be a great flyhalf. The guy is just a bit too big. I still feel he&#039;s best suited at 15, and would develop into one of the greats there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>skopskiet<br />
I suggested trying Steyn at 12 about a year ago and caught flack for trying to turn him into a jack of all trades. Personaly, I feel that&#8217;s the closest to the scrum he should be. His reaction times and agility are just a shade too slow for him to be a great flyhalf. The guy is just a bit too big. I still feel he&#8217;s best suited at 15, and would develop into one of the greats there.</p>
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		<title>By: Manlybok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manlybok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Skoppie</description>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off to work see whoever might still be around again,
seriously hope there is an apology forthcoming to Princess from you fern, its real bad taste and shows high disrespect to someone who has never offended you other than not taking your advances too seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off to work see whoever might still be around again,<br />
seriously hope there is an apology forthcoming to Princess from you fern, its real bad taste and shows high disrespect to someone who has never offended you other than not taking your advances too seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Manly for that observation re Steyn. 

Yes it is strange that even though some of us are but armchair spectators, it seems that our limited objectivity and ability to read situations and strategies sometimes outstrips that of the highly paid professionals who blunder and bumble along with trial and error tactics for months and years of hit and miss attempts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Manly for that observation re Steyn. </p>
<p>Yes it is strange that even though some of us are but armchair spectators, it seems that our limited objectivity and ability to read situations and strategies sometimes outstrips that of the highly paid professionals who blunder and bumble along with trial and error tactics for months and years of hit and miss attempts.</p>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
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		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fern I&#039;ll tell you something, whisper it in your young ear, to offend someone because your endeavor to win them over has not been successful is definitely NOT the way to curry favor with anyone, and in fact is the antithesis to being or portraying maturity, in fact it is downright childish, immature and worse, it is highly foolish and besides hurtful and offensive, so you have achieved worse than nothing, your behavior to RP deserves a serious rebuke and an apology from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fern I&#8217;ll tell you something, whisper it in your young ear, to offend someone because your endeavor to win them over has not been successful is definitely NOT the way to curry favor with anyone, and in fact is the antithesis to being or portraying maturity, in fact it is downright childish, immature and worse, it is highly foolish and besides hurtful and offensive, so you have achieved worse than nothing, your behavior to RP deserves a serious rebuke and an apology from you.</p>
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