Kiwis want Barnes’s blood
Furious All Blacks fans have put a NZ$1,000 bounty on the head of Wayne Barnes.
The English referee played a huge part in the Cardiff quarter-final. He sent Luke McAlister to the sin bin for a professional foul, missed a blatant forward pass in the build-up to Yannick Jauzion’s match-winning try and failed to penalised French hands in the ruck near the end of the game. Barnes also appeared to target All Blacks captain Richie McCaw at the breakdown.
A fan, or fans, doctored Barnes’s Wikipedia entry over the weekend (Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia that is edited by its readers), which starts: Wayne Barnes is a c*** and goes on to say he “suffers from a vision-related disease which results in him being unable to see forward passes” and “gave up law to take up refereeing because he couldn’t read any “f***ing law books.”
A $NZ1000 bounty is also offered to the person who “finds him for me and keeps him under lock and key until I get there.”
The Barnes attack includes a threat to “f***** rip off your head you w*****”. It calls him a “sack of “s***” and warns in capital letters: “WE WILL FIND YOU”.
Barnes’s performance has also been questioned by leading New Zealand website RugbyHeaven, which has changed it’s name to RugbyHell since the loss to France.
“This was the Tri-Nations champions against the Six Nations,” wrote Duncan Johnstone. “It was the best team in the world against the tournament hosts on a hugely emotionally occasion. Sounds like it might have needed the best referee in the world. I don’t think we got that person dished up to us.
“And perhaps astute TV commentator and former All Black (and World Cup winner) Grant Fox hit the nail on the head when he suggested that while the French were now moving forward in the competition, Barnes should not.”
– To read the uncensored Wikipedia entry on Barnes click here
– To read Johnstone’s full column on Barnes click here.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
marvinb,
Grow a spine, old chap.
Find something else to take your mind off this terrible loss. Go for a walk, read a book, maybe even watch the rest of the World Cup, unblinkered.
But somewhere along the way, please grow a f*cking spine.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Hey marvinb if you’re going to throw incoherent insults you might at least get my name right. Stay off the bottle, and stay away from the missus until you’ve gotten over the defeat.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
BlackMarc…
Chill lad…
At work now so can’t go and check…
but the replay was quite evident to me that when Betsen went down on the ground but uninjured… a French player joined the ruck and his knee quite clearly klonked Betsen on the back of the head and he turned into a sack of spuds…
October 8th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
‘Smell of death’ in All Blacks dressing room – Oliver
Anton Oliver reckoned the All Blacks dressing room had the same stench of death as a World War 1 battle field.
The veteran hooker has developed a passion for New Zealand’s war history and had read World War 1 books The Massacre at Passchendaele and All Quiet on the Western Front during the past few weeks in France.
The images from those two books were an apt description for how the All Blacks had felt as they sat, devastated, in their dressing room deep in the bowels of the Millennium Stadium in the wake of their historic 20-18 World Cup quarter final loss to France yesterday, Oliver said.
“The feeling in the shed is like no-man’s land as it’s described in those two books. There’s a sort of desolate decay and the smell of death,” said Oliver.
“That’s what it feels like to us. It feels like no-man’s land and it’s not a nice place to be.”
Oliver, who has now lost at two World Cups, anticipated the sense of anger, loss and disappointment many New Zealand rugby fans would be experiencing in the wake of the All Blacks worst ever World Cup defeat.
“So come into no-man’s land with us,” Oliver said.
“We can make a cup of tea together because it’s a difficult time.”
Oliver is one of those players bowing out at the World Cup, along with Luke McAlister, Carl Hayman, Byron Kelleher, Doug Howlett, Chris Jack and Aaron Mauger.
He admitted it was hard to say farewell on such terms.
“I didn’t want to take my jersey off. No one wants to finish their career like this. The country and the team had such high hopes.”
Those hopes were crushed by a French side that had been regularly beaten by the All Blacks in recent years but played superbly yesterday especially on defence.
Oliver said the All Blacks didn’t lose from a lack planning or commitment, but because France were simply better on the day.
“The French, in the second half, defended really well and we made some mistakes. That was it.”
October 8th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
#154 is one of the most over-the-top things ever said about rugby, which is after all only a game! Get a life man!
October 8th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Jonnymain @ 155 – You a Kiwi?
This is an article on Suff,co.nz.
FOOL
October 8th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
I know that vossie, it’s pretty obvious. I was telling Anton Oliver to get a life not you.
October 8th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
148
“and then they give him the most crucial of the 1/4’s to botch up.”
lol
October 8th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Sorry dude. Nursing a bit of a hangover and feel a bit fragile.
You gotta feel for the poor guys though.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Although I expected NZ to lose, I didn’t expect it to be because of the referee which it certainly was.
Barnes is a moron. He showed that when he refereed the SA Tonga match.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
RL
I’m glad you didn’t say lol to me straight after the game mate…we have all moved on now.
I have developed a sudden interest in the new Wellington soccer team!!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Why not just blame GH and get it over with.
He went on a mission to ensure that he had a squad of 30 players capable of winning the RWC – a good idea but not a very practical idea.
All he needed was a match 22 that were a settled and unit.
He failed, he never settled on a match 22 in his 4 years in charge.
He dropped Mauger, a cool level headed centre and chose a fruit cake to play inside centre.
Then he dropped the Jack and selected a long term sicknote lock to start his very first match in ages.
Finally he played his injured playmaker who has been out of form all year long. He would have been better off not been rested.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Not a problem!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Cane
for NZ to win the RWC they have to change the way they play the game.
10 man Bulls rugby is the way to go, boring but very effective and very safe.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Here’s an article from Rugby365 that flatly contradicts Keo – has a fair point too.
Cardiff played host to one of the great Rugby World Cup games on Saturday, regardless of your nationality. The events that unfolded in front of a sold-out Millennium Stadium will live long in the memory, for better or worse.
The overwhelming consensus is that New Zealand choked, and not for the first time in their World Cup history. That, I am afraid, is not the case, the simple fact is France were the better team on the day. There will be a full inquest into why their coveted team lost in a World Cup quarter-final for the first time in their history, although it seems a futile exercise.
It seems it will only be done so people can hold somebody accountable for the defeat, although the sacking of Graham Henry suggests those in power are letting the blame rest firmly on his shoulders before the inquest has begun.
There comes a time however, no matter how hard it is, to put your hands up and admit you were outplayed. France may not be the better team but they played the best rugby when it counted, both with and without the ball.
Those who use ‘choking’ as a reason are failing to recognise the French effort and, in doing so, are casting them aside under the assumption that New Zealand only have themselves to blame for the defeat. Quite frankly that is offensive and arrogant and demonstrates a considerable degree of naivety.
Admittedly a crucial referring decision went against them when Damien Traille slipped the ball, forward, to Frédéric Michalak. But that is not the point here, the point is that France, in the second half, played superior rugby. That is why New Zealand lost and that is what we should be focusing on, not an inquest into what went so spectacularly wrong from an All Black perspective.
Stats can often be misleading, but not in this instant. The tackle count was quite staggering, New Zealand made 36 where as France amassed a staggering 178 hits in defence. The defensive rearguard in the second half was simply amazing. On two separate occasions the French defended for at least twenty-five phases and still, somehow, kept their line in tact.
How anyone can not hail this effort, and simple dismiss it as the All Blacks choking, is unquestionably one-eyed. Add to it that for forty minutes France conceded a grand total of zero penalties and you start to appreciate the magnitude of what happened.
For the last four years we have been constantly reminded of how good the All Blacks are, or were, how they have done everything in their powers to give themselves the best possible chance of winning the World Cup. But ultimately it was not good enough on the day. For all their skill and muscle New Zealand could not match the French passion.
New Zealand played some scintillating rugby at times, showed incredible patience with the ball, but when push came to shove they were outclassed. When you give your all, every last ounce of effort, and come up short you know you have lost to the better side on the day.
To blame Wayne Barnes for their sides short comings is evidence enough that New Zealand fans do not want to admit they were not the best team in Cardiff on Saturday. Their record over the past four years shows us that they are the best team in the world, but it doesn’t show us that France played a better game of rugby. Even the world’s best teams can be beaten, as we witnessed here.
So rather than jump on the ‘chokers’ band-wagon try and be realistic. It is easy to cast the All Blacks aside as chokers, but not as easy to hail the French. Mainly because those banding the ‘chokers’ tag around are bitter All Black fans, who can not admit they were outplayed. But that is the truth, and whether you like it or not France won and rightly so.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Can someone please tell me why Ali Williams was not cited for his knee into Betson’s head??
October 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Can someone please tell me why Ali Williams was not cited for his knee into Betson’s head??
October 8th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
#167
no point citing since they already hurting
ITS CRAZY HERE IN NZ PEOPLES!
KIWIS SOO FCKING ANGRY ITS NOT FUNNY!..MY BOSS TODAY SAID TO ME “YOU MUST BE FCKING LOVING THIS”
October 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
If it’s not suzie its the ref. We have been on the end of dodgy reffing decisions for years and we have received nothing but derision from our Kiwi friends, so let me pay you back. HA HA HA cry me a f@cking river!!!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
BlackMarc…
As far as the Betsen KO goes… It’s on rugby dump…
It quite clearly shows:
1 Betsen going down tackling Rocokoko…
2 Robinson shoving Betsen back down with an open hand… no punch… (unless this mean motherpunches like a girl)
3 The No 4 lock coming in and his knee colliding with the Betsen’s temple area… you can see Betsen’s head movesideways from the impact and in the earlier full speed footage you can see the lock’s leg impeded by the impact and nearly tripping him…
those, my boy, are the facts… there for all to see…
You’d do a lot better to lose the insults and hysteria and find the true facts to make a point…
October 8th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Mellowyellow
ask Blac marc (post 147)
maybe you 2 could argue about it.
October 8th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
..THEN HE SAID TO ME “HAVE SOME EXTRA WORK FOR YOU”
October 8th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
#169 what about the poor kiwi children??
October 8th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
G’night all
see you all in 4 more years
October 8th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Cause it was not Ali!!!
As for France being the Best team on the day???? I dont know about that????
If NZ slotted the drop goal at the end that same person writing that piece would probably be saying the score flattered France for NZ dominated the game!!!!
So NO….francve were not that superior as he or she would like us to believe!!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
#174 LOL damm 4 long slow years!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
#175 one thing matters ; the score
October 8th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
#172 sounds like your boss is setting himself up for a large practical joke! I’d suggest draping his office in SA flag and Springbok merchandise, cutout of the Web Ellis trophy on his desk, hangmans noose dangling from the coat-stand………. after SA have won of course
October 8th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
172….tell your boss that extra work will be done in 4 years time!!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
#178..I have to be careful here..VERY dangerous to be a saffa here. Hell, hate to be a french man in NZ..extra dangerous!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
177…for sure!!! That is why I could not care sh#t for the score when we played Fiji….we won…..and we are in the semi!!!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
#178..I have to be careful here..VERY dangerous to be a saffa here. Hell, hate to be a french man in NZ..extra dangerous!
October 8th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Got to feel for the ABS – wouldnt like to be in their shoes !!!!
October 8th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Oh well,
Us Saffas complaints about Paul Honiss have always fell on deaf ears. Now the shoe is on the other foot for once.
October 8th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
One of the things that would concern me as a Kiwi is not the fact that there was a forward pass in the move leading up to the try but the fact that the French created that try off the back of a very good scrum against supposedly the best scrummaging unit outside of England. Where was the defence?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Our Honiss complaint had far, far more substance than their bitching about a forward pass.
Check the game again and you’ll see at least 4 or 5 forward passes that could have been blown but weren’t. That happens in rugby. Just like soccer linesmen sometimes get the offside call wrong, refs and touch judges sometimes miss the forward passs. The AB’s made a few themselves. They just didn’t score. If they had, they would have taken the 5 points.
Our Honiss gripe stems from an incident so ludicrous, it would be cut from a Monty Python movie because of credibility concerns. He tells the captain to go and have a word with his players, and then lets the opposition tap and go for a try.
Noow that’s reason to *****. Not for a frikkin forward pass.
October 8th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Who will ref the semi’s?
October 8th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
howdy all! katman you always talk sense.
Blac marc There was an open hand to Betsens face but i dont think it was the reason for his concussion. I must say though, i havent watched it since the game so i could be wrong.
I was feeling gutted for the nz supporters after the game but i have realised that many of them are arrogant prats. they expected to win it by turning up and refuse to acknowledge the forward passes by their own players that went unpunished.
My boet was at the game in a Bok jersey and got called a “dirty saffa” all day. Must say he had his fun a bit later though. NZ needs to drop the arrogant posturing and lower their expectations and maybe they will make a semi or even a final in 2011!
October 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
#165 – they were outplayed because they choked…they should have played much better rugby than that!
October 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
I thought Richie got what he deserved – finally a ref that blows him up for illegal tactics at the ruck.
McAlister was penalised for the cumulative synical efforts of the ABs, not for what he did himself.
What a pleasure to see the end of the ABs – they are the world’s rugby cheaters and most one-eyed rugby public.
Look at that Ab documentary on MNEt for a perfect example of how the AB admitted to staging a foul in order to win a test match.
And always excuses. First it was Suzie, then this, then that….
Always some conspiracy…
Laughing my *** off at all those AB supporters that cannot imagine any team standing up to the ABs.
Typical NZ: now they are going to have a commission of enquiry into why they didn’t win the WC – try choking on the day against a team that played out of their skins. No more complicated than that.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
TACKLER…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA….
October 8th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
TACKLER WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY NOW??????????
WHAT SH12 IS GONNA COME OUT YOUR GOB NOW???????HAH HA HA HA HA HA ….CHOKE GURGLE CHOKE GURGLE HA HA HA HA HA
October 8th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
I really am outraged that this happened. Wikipedia is a site already under attack from corporate manipulation and does not need it being urned into a place for people to flame or defame.
To top it off the manipulation was not very witty and crossed the line of good taste.
Open source stuff survives because most people want up to date and impartial information. This type of thing is one of the problems with such method of updating content.
I urge you all not to encourage or participate in this sort of behaviour
I am a Kiwi and this is not funny
October 8th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Maybe this ones been around already – but here goes anyway
What’s the difference between half a viagra and the AB’S?
AT LEAST WITH HALF A VIAGRA YOU GET A SEMI!
October 8th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Hey Marvinb , UFO , Ricane etc. etc.
Let me first take my foot out of my mouth!!!
I have had a proper look at that clip re: the betsen knock-out and I have to apologise profusely.
when I look at the very first clip at full speed it is quite obvious he hit his team-mates knee.
Unfortunately, whoever put this clip onto the site has other motives, as all the slow and close up clips are from a different angle, hiding the obvious!!
SORRY GUYS!!
October 8th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Who’s searching for Barnes? Saw him ordering furniture for his new beach villa in Southern France yesterday
– with his wife Suzie. Or at least that the opening chapter of Tackles new book : 24 going on 28.
I just love the way the Kiwi’s turn to bad reffing when they lose, it is ALWAYS the case. Blame the ref, blame the ball, blame anything but themselves.
And yes, some of them admit defeat, but still constant references to the bad reffing. Get over it, France was the better team, you all knew that, we told you months ago this is going to happen.
I agree with the article Ataturk posted off rugby365 : The AB’s were simply outplayed by a better team. Fair and square. And yes, we’ve been telling Tackles thats gonna happen at the RWC for a year.
Yes there was a fwd pass, but AB’s had their fair share of getaways too. You can’t blame a loss like that on a bad ref call, AB’s should have built a bigger point advantage to negate that, but the point is they couldn’t. If all the bad ref decisions were negated (on BOTH sides), they probably still would have lost.
And then, they stood WIDE-EYED (as Tackler likes to write) and panicked. And yes, unfortunately that is the AB Choke setting in.
Want to see bad reffing, watch the SA games.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:33 am
That sounds quite absurd to me as it was in my opinion one of the best performances by a ref I’ve ever witnessed.
He controlled the break-down area excellently and ensured a good flowing game of rugby, the low penalty count at the ruck and maul situation is testimony to that.
Please Kiwi dudes, we know your hurting, but don’t blame it on the ref, blame it on the boogie.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:46 am
Katman you sound like a pom but what the hell are going on about a spine?talk rugby man not about spines….I have said my bit about the ref thats that….
October 9th, 2007 at 12:50 am
Hey #152 jonnymain if you come into the kitchen and you think its too hot than get out.You joined the issue than take like a man grow a spine as Katman would advise.I have to since my team the All Blacks have choked again.thats life.
October 9th, 2007 at 12:57 am
196: bringbacktheboks – its a bit rich to say we bag the refs, and then you finish that post with the same nonsense.
Hey, one or two of us are pretty angry with the ref, but I always maintain, you have to take into account that a ref will not get everything right, so plan for it, and when we had 70% possession, and 60% territory, we had enough of everything to win the game, we let it slip man, end of story.,