SF: Springboks v Argentina (Mon)
8 Oct 2007
New Zealand’s exit has seen bookmakers favouring the Springboks to lift the Webb Ellis Cup.
Ladbrokes have installed South Africa as favourites to not only advance to the final, but to win it as well. The team are now on offer as evens, France are on offer at 6/4 while England and Argentina are at 8/1.
–Frans Steyn has elicited glowing praise from Springbok technical consultant Eddie Jones. The former Australia coach spoke openly about his admiration of the 20-year-old who has made a good impression since slotting in at centre. “He can be a French player, not so? – Jones said after their quarter-final victory over Fiji. “Frans is only 20 but has unbelievable natural talent. He passes well, runs well and kicks well. It is remarkable to think that he has been playing professional rugby for only two years. The next two (World Cup) matches will be a great test for him. But he has incredible talent and gets a lot of support from his teammates.”
- Steyn played down his star billing saying: “I don’t think I have star status. I’m still learning. My goal is to become a person such as John Smit or Percy Montgomery. There’s still a lot of hard work ahead. I think the players around me take all the pressure off me,” he said. “I have mentors such as Percy around me. When the pressure becomes too much, they talk to me and encourage me. One must only forget about the pressure and play good rugby.”
- JP Pietersen sought to divert the attention from his try saving tackle late in the game and praise the collective effort. “It was a good tackle,” Pietersen told Die Burger. “What made it easier, was that the guy had the ball in his wrong hand. It made it easier for me to attack the ball. I just gave everything and tackled him as hard as I could. I’m glad my [defensive] game has improved but there’s still a lot of work ahead. I try to keep my feet on the ground and to learn something every day.”
-Argentina captain Agustin Pichot admitted fatigue had played a role in them allowing Scotland back into the quarter-final. The Pumas held a 13-point lead midway through the second half but held on for a 19-13 victory. “We were very tired and Scotland played very well. But we stuck with it,” he told ITV1. “Scotland were very good and we didn’t underestimate them. They have a great team and we have a lot of respect for them.”
This thread will be updated throughout the day.
252 Comments
8 Oct 2007, 07:05 am
Dragons
8 Oct 2007, 07:06 am
Come on Boks. Focus….Dont let Argentina play their game. Please play Schalk on the flank.
8 Oct 2007, 07:08 am
But steyn was poor against fiji-loose passes and all. Like white explained afterward: Some of the players are 20 years old, and it showed today.
8 Oct 2007, 07:09 am
I agree. Play percentage rugby. Play with passion, and strength and speed….and impose yourselves on the opposition.
8 Oct 2007, 07:13 am
frontrow – agree fully.
This is not the time to try Schalk at 8. His ballsup of the pushover try surely shows he still has a lot to learn.
8 Oct 2007, 07:15 am
Boks must realise the game is bigger than themselves, is for their coutry. Rather loose giving your best effort, be brused and battle after the game. france displayed it this weekend. They came out like deamons the socond half, they’ve experienced failure a few weeks before and knew what was waiting back home hosting the cup, time for Boks to step up and show what they can do, especially the youngsters. Rather give it all like hunger animals than loosing like overprotective chockers. NZ simply tried to hard to follow the rules and gameplan and forgot the killer instinct. the frnech looked like they’ve been in Napolions battle after the game!!
8 Oct 2007, 07:19 am
Problem is, roussow was just as **** at no8. We may have a problem, except that we wont really need stars in every position to beat the weak line ups against us in the next 2 games. Now that the all blacks are gone, so too is half the excitement, anticipation and tension. Rossouw or burger should do against whats left in the world cup.
8 Oct 2007, 07:21 am
mmmmmm very quite from our Antipodean brothers and sisters this morning.
Tacitus
Steyn was poor, but the prime reason we battled was that several of our key players had a day to forget. Hopefully we shall never play a game wherin Matfield, Burger, Du Preez and Percy all have ‘mares as they did against Fiji.
I was about to include ‘ol Danie in that bunch, but then it dawned on me that he isnt a key member of the side. Was I the only one who saw him crying after his injury, what seemed like a clear case of “ek kannie meer nie korporaal”…
8 Oct 2007, 07:23 am
Pumas will scrum scrum & scrum us in the ground if we neglect to get our act together this week.
Will be a stressful week this.
8 Oct 2007, 07:25 am
Tact, jou ou suurgat, kan ook niks positief sê oor ‘n speler as hy nie ‘n Bul is nie. Kry vir jou ‘n lewe man, jy is in die dieselfde klas as Tackler.
8 Oct 2007, 07:25 am
Wonder if the “world-beater gods” from the Ab’s & Wallas arrived home yet! Wonder what reception the got? Anyone dead?
8 Oct 2007, 07:26 am
We need Bob to come on at 60 min against the Argies! Jake needs to play Wikus and Schalk at flank and Juan at 8. Subs needs to be Rossouw at lock and Bob at 8 after 60min as we needed some fresh legs yesterday. We also missed Wikus’ turnovers yesterday. Wikus needs to be there as Schalk is not a fetcher!!
The argies arent as big as the fijians and it will suit Bobs game. he will be the edge against the Argies!!
8 Oct 2007, 07:27 am
Hallo Tact – hoe lyk dinge gaan dit goed? Ek hettie die game gesien vs Fiji nie maar smaak my dit was maar broekskeur!
8 Oct 2007, 07:31 am
if we meet england in the final, surely it must be the first time 2 teams from the same group end up playing the final?
8 Oct 2007, 07:32 am
Staal
The Argentina scrum is over-rated, especially at set pieces. France pushed them all over the park at scrumtime at the opening game and they didnt look to clever against Scotland either.
To me, thats where we need to attack them, as their backline poses a huge threat. between the likes of Hernandez, the Contepomi brothers and their fullback they really are a solid unit and very difficult to break down
8 Oct 2007, 07:36 am
More Boerboel, ons loop mekaar nie gewoonlik hier raak nie!
8 Oct 2007, 07:36 am
15 Bod,
hope you are correct cause IMO we are not monstrous in the scrumming department. Remember what the Poms did to our scrums? & Then Gert Small says the Boks haven’t given enough attention to the scrums before the game?
But then again they can kill us in the scrums as long as we win 36-0.
8 Oct 2007, 07:37 am
What a great pitty Pierre Spies is not there, especially for this particular game!
8 Oct 2007, 07:43 am
We are in the semi. Yes, some big names had off-days. We have to be thankfull that they had them in a winning test. These guys no exactly what they did wrong. I grant them a bad one, we all know they have won so many matches with super-human effort in the past!
1.NZ out!
2.AUS out!
3.Schalk misses a tackle!
Weekend of surprises. I’ll take no. 3 thanks.
8 Oct 2007, 07:44 am
And honestly – as a Bob supporter all i can say is please keep him away from these physical Pumas.
All the hype from all & sundry about Bob’s inclusion seems to be gone cause now we can see that the hard guy’s like Wikus & Baywatch should have been there in the first place.
I honesly hop we don’t get any further injuries in the loossies cause Bob looks good in the stands!
8 Oct 2007, 07:45 am
The difference between the All Blacks and half a viagra pill?
With half a viagra pill you get a semi!
8 Oct 2007, 07:48 am
#21 HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
8 Oct 2007, 07:49 am
I agree Staal, but its so heartening to see that Bok rugby has finally woken up to the fact that having a killer scrum isnt the be all and end all of rugby.
We are probably parallel to the Argies come set scrums, so should hold our own there. I do however think we are technically superior and more skilled in line outs and the tight loose… and thats the area we need to target.
Just so long as we dont get that same mindless morons disease that the AB’s became on Saturday, with their pick and drive, pick and drive, pick and drive and more ****** pick and drive. I could not believe the stupidity and the fact that this was actually an All Black side on the field
8 Oct 2007, 07:50 am
At least we know EXACTLY what the Pumas are going to dish up for dinner. Apart from the mercurial Hernandez (who will spend the whole first half deep in the pocket, trying to slot drop goals…), we can pretty much plan our defensive strategy BEFORE the time. Pumas don’t really have the innovative/creative/really dangerous backline, that some other teams possess. After watching last nights game, most Puma points came directly from Scottish **** ups. Indiscipline, charge down etc. Our loose forwards are going to be the KEY…..Please of Hope of the Nation, Jake White – select wisely…..
Not too concerned about the scrum – After watching all the games, The Argies haven’t managed to gain an array of points and opportunites as a direct result of their scrum. In many of the games so far, teams that have had the upper hand in the scrums haven’t managed to take advantage of it, and even those teams with pathetic scrums have managed to “cance this out” through great play in other facets.
However, the passion on the Pumsa faces last night, had me worried. Haven’t seen the Boks THAT stoked for a long time………This is about who wants it MOST – and at this stage, the Pumas seem to be living the dream far more passionately than what we are. Its gonna be ugly rugby…but who cares…. Argies never beaten us before, they are going to be fancing their chances now……We should pull through…THEN: Oh please Rugby Gods let us play the Poms again….Hope Andy Farrell will be fit for the final!!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 07:52 am
Can anyone tell me how Habana played last night? I don’t think I’ve seen his name mentioned once in all the posts.
8 Oct 2007, 07:52 am
What did Jones say? He’s never worked with such immense talent? Now that is a big compliment from somebody who knows his rugby
8 Oct 2007, 07:54 am
21 – Best comment on Keo in years!!!!!!!!!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 07:58 am
26 BokiNZ,
They also asked EJ (few weeks ago) who he think is the the most talented rugby player in the world and who he would most like to coach……
he said Pierre Spies…..
what a pity he is not there for the Boks.
But we will hopefully still win this thing!
8 Oct 2007, 08:01 am
Lovely man this Jones. I like him
8 Oct 2007, 08:04 am
Pierre Spies te veel bokdrolle agter die skool gerook . Dis hoekom sy longe opgepak het. Laat dit ‘n les wees!!
8 Oct 2007, 08:13 am
Bod. Youre right about du preez, matfield, burger etc, habana all having bad games. Reminded me of the bulls away game against the crusaders. Just not pitching up on the day. Hi Staal. Game was irriterend. En mees irriterend van als: Met die all blacks nou uit is dit nie meer die moeite werd om dalk n ‘ander’ nr8 te waag die jaar nie.
8 Oct 2007, 08:13 am
Staal, I guarantee that Bob would not have butchered 2 try opportunities like schalk did yesterday. Schalk can be lucky we were at the 5m for 10min. with Bob we would’ve scored the 1st time and then a second!!
bob has skill and is fast!!!
8 Oct 2007, 08:15 am
More Koos, Ek het net gou ingeloer.
mellowyellow, I agree on Bob.
Staal, although Bob is not what he should be he offer other alternatives to Danie. Both Schalk and Wickus (especially) missed tackles yesterday. We do not have any alternatives. Bob is there so let him play, especially the last 20 min.
8 Oct 2007, 08:19 am
BokiNZ…
Is that a fact? Consider what you just said!
8 Oct 2007, 08:26 am
I wonder if we’ll ever see that chump, The Tickler again?
8 Oct 2007, 08:29 am
HAAAAALOOO vindicated!
Come have a chat mate, promise I won’t tease you!
8 Oct 2007, 08:32 am
#35 Oh hell yeah. He was stalking the hallowed halls of this site yesterday…Full of statistics and general observations, that couldn’t QUITE disguise the utter agony he was pretty obviously going through……
8 Oct 2007, 08:34 am
Boks must work on a plan to take the ball away from the Pumas, they protect it very well. We need to be more patient.
It is a good thing that Percy and Fourie had their off days, they will be on fire next time!
8 Oct 2007, 08:37 am
Butch, Juan, you BEAUTIES!
Butch has realy been impressive so far and Juan must be in line for the player of the tournament!
8 Oct 2007, 08:43 am
Some internal SA reflection on what has happened thus far at the WC:
1. JW was right and GH was wrong: defense wins the WC.
2. What has happened about the Blou Brille debate about JS vs GB?
3. What has happened about the debate about the value of the leadership of JS?
4. What has happened about the debate about how worthless JPP is on the wing?
5. What has happened about the debate about how pathetic a caoch JW is – especially his team selections?
Maybe an opportunity for some introspection – the game is bigger than our own self interest – read the province we support.
Bloody well done to Jake, John and the Team: you have done us proud!
8 Oct 2007, 08:43 am
Folks, my feeling is that we were always in control of the game yesterday. Ja them made us sweat, but when we needed to we scored quite easily. Just like when we played the Scots a few weeks ago.
Yes, Matfield, Burger, Wikus, Du Preez, Steyn, Fourie and Monty didn’t have the greatest of games, but we still won with 17 points. Think of the massacre if these players did play well.
And….we haven’t seen anything remotely close to the backline moves that the Boks practised against Namibia.
Respect to Fiji, but is was always our game.
8 Oct 2007, 08:46 am
I hope I am not seeing things but the intensity I saw in the eyes of the captain and the players after the game was incredible. This team can do it – let’s hope the youngsters don’t have more brain farts next Sunday.
8 Oct 2007, 08:47 am
Vindicated?
Hellooooo?
8 Oct 2007, 08:50 am
Cliveb # 21
Very good indeed.
8 Oct 2007, 08:51 am
Ek wonder waar is tackler and wallaby?
8 Oct 2007, 08:52 am
the ref was shocking.. sckalk didn’t knock the ball it was knocked out of his hands by the off side fiji 8th man.
8 Oct 2007, 08:55 am
Loosehead, I also think we as spectators almost choked because of what happened to Aus and NZ. The Bokke pretty much had the game under control.
8 Oct 2007, 08:56 am
#46… met twee suurgat NZ refs op die kante…
8 Oct 2007, 08:57 am
Those two games on Saturday turned Robbie Fleck’s hair white.
8 Oct 2007, 09:00 am
Steyn is not the right choice if you want to play a conservative game.
Schalk is not a number , can Eddie please teach him how to pass.
8 Oct 2007, 09:02 am
Brains, the idea is not to pick up the ball when you re going for a push-over try.
8 Oct 2007, 09:03 am
jake should have given bobby a run behind the main pack, to see where he was when playing with our 1st team. now we sit in a situation where the most skilled no 8 in our team has got hardly any game time.
before i get slated, remember how wikus played when he was first given a go with the boks? not very well.
danie got nowhere yesterday, and having a no 8 with ball skills can also nulify the other teams scrum dominance on your own put in, as the fijians showed many a time with their quick channel one ball out of the scrum.
8 Oct 2007, 09:04 am
Slightly off the topic, but here is an interesting article…
What was worse? New Zealand choking again or Australia ending their worst World Cup campaign?
Neck and neck. But after one of the most demoralising days in the history of trans-Tasman rugby, the All Blacks still win the atrocity award.
Australia will get over their early World Cup departure. New Zealand won’t.
In Australia, rugby union is a side dish. It isn’t in New Zealand. Rugby is the country’s heart and soul, its identity. The All Blacks’ brand is No.1. The land of the long white cloud is now the land of the long black cloud. New Zealand is in mourning.
The ramifications of a nation strangling itself for the fifth World Cup tournament in a row will be immense. There will be sackings, reprisals and, with it, undoubtedly the end of Robbie Deans being in line for the Wallabies coaching job next season. Graham Henry, like all the other failed New Zealand World Cup coaches, will be the scapegoat, and Deans appears his inevitable replacement.
Nonetheless, the Wallabies cannot hide behind the All Blacks’ disaster in an attempt to avoid the flak, because they also deserve a backhander after their least impressive World Cup campaign.
The Wallabies would have been forgiven had they survived another week and disappeared at semi-final stage. No one expected them to go any further than a meaningless third-fourth play-off.
But to bow out at quarter-final time against a pedestrian England team is unacceptable and a complete embarrassment for Australian rugby.
No wonder anyone wearing green and gold in Marseilles on Saturday night was the subject of endless taunts, forcing them to hide in their hotels before anyone realised they supported a team that huffs and puffs but can’t even blow down a cardboard box.
And try to ignore all the spin during the next few weeks from those involved in Australian rugby, who in trying to protect their positions keep pushing supposed positives from this cup. The fact is, this is the Wallabies’ biggest World Cup failure.
Australia also left the tournament at quarter-final time in 1995, but the England team that knocked them out in Cape Town 12 years ago was an appreciably better line-up than the one they faced on Saturday. This England team were rated no chance by their media and their supporters, because they apparently lacked the width, speed and nous of the Australian game.
Instead, England didn’t even have to play smart to beat Australia. They preferred the most basic of forward smash ‘em and bash ‘em football. They relied primarily on the most lopsided scrum battles to overcome an opposition of supposed superstars, but who were instead shown up to be overpaid bumblers.
In the lead-up, the Australian forwards talked tough, even going on about how they wanted to be the best pack in the world, but when it mattered they were wimps. They were exposed for what they are – a second-rate scrummaging unit.
More worrying was that their breakdown play also fell apart under pressure. There was a lack of organisation around the tackle area, with the ball often sitting unattended at the back.
As for the departing Wallabies coach John Connolly, his two years in the job were often, to use one of his favourite terms, “one step forward, two steps back”.
There was some progress under Connolly, but nowhere near as much as he and others at the Australian Rugby Union would have liked. Problems within the team – including members of the coaching staff struggling to gain the respect of several key players – were exacerbated by sometimes erratic managerial direction, including trying to place the blame elsewhere.
However, Connolly will be treated far better than his New Zealand counterparts. As All Blacks breakaway Jerry Collins said a few days ago: “It’s a long way to swim home.” He wasn’t kidding.
8 Oct 2007, 09:05 am
Why is it that Butch only plays after 30-40mins.
when he started kicking the ball to touch we actually played the right game. Not to pass to Steyn and see how many times he can loose the ball.
8 Oct 2007, 09:05 am
#46 #48
8 high tackles missed, worst one on DR, under the nose of the one touch judge!
8 Oct 2007, 09:06 am
4 More years Aussies, 4 more years!
8 Oct 2007, 09:07 am
Morning folks
To be honoust, i stressed like a mad man yesterday, those Fiji boys came close too damn close of breaking through our defensive lines, and if they did every time they had an opportunity we would have been in k@k.
I think we were properly tested in our defense,and i think it will count in our favour for the game against Argentina cause they arnt as strong runners as Fiji….did you see the size of those f@cking backline players, my sheit they are huge and damn hard to stop.
8 Oct 2007, 09:07 am
And without the ball!
8 Oct 2007, 09:09 am
I cannot comprehend how the Islanders (all the teams) consistently get away with dangerous tackles.
It frustrates the hell out of me, because those tackles can end a players’ career.
Where was Bobby, Schalk no a no 8.
After all said and done, mission accomplished, and see you all next week.
8 Oct 2007, 09:10 am
#56 – That’s exactly what Greegan told the ABs after the 2003 loss to them in the semis.
8 Oct 2007, 09:11 am
We really need to get our game back in order. Most of the players had off days in my view, firstly Du Preez was not the Du Preez we know. He took wrong options, poor kicks, got frustrated and was outplayed by Rauluni. Burger seemed to not play with the usual tempo, Rossouw was ponderous and clumsy, Matfield failed to dominate in the lineouts, Habana was a no show.
Key players had off games. Was it that they were too confident of victory that they were just keen on getting the win and ensuring no more injuries? That is fine with me, but when Fiji scored those two tries that was a clear sign that the Boks were not focus 100% on the match
Can someone tell me where was Jake White and Eddie during the match. They were not seated with Gert Small and Coetzee?
We need to make some careful selections against the Pumas. The Pumas are already tiring from thier long campaign…we must smash them. Not sure we have the pack to do it…
8 Oct 2007, 09:11 am
naaahhh Muti, we had the game under controll and scored when we wanted and needed to.
8 Oct 2007, 09:14 am
I can’t absorb all this technical analysis.
All I know is … NZ AND AUS ARE GOING HOME !!!
There.
So now you guys can blah blah blah all day long.
8 Oct 2007, 09:16 am
Knersboy…
I agree with you. I would however start with DR and pick Wikus and Bobby on the bench. DR can be moved to lock in the second half, with Bobby at 8 and Wikus to replace either Schalk or Juan.
Juan must be given a breather.
8 Oct 2007, 09:20 am
Morning Bok fans
Well done on reaching the semi-finals and good luck against the Argies next week
8 Oct 2007, 09:30 am
Goeie more Almal!!!!!
Wat n naweek van ruggas… So is die varings en kangaroos oppad huis toe en die bok se kind lewe aan!!!! Waar is al die bloggers van die landjies daar in die baie Suide nou????
Ek hoop net nie ons speel so teen sie Argies nie, omdat hulle ons sal trap met sulke kuk defence… Ons defence lyk maar bra kuk en het al begin lol teen Tonga!!!
Ek is vol hoop en weet ons sal die Argies trap die naweek!! Ons forwards is meer mobile en ons moet nie dieselfde game as hulle probeer speel nie, ons het daai vout teen Fiji gedoen!!!
8 Oct 2007, 09:33 am
guys chill out !! some played well some didnt ,whats the final result????
its over we won by 17 and its into semi’s now
btw tinus no disrespect mate but theres no time for resting players
you wanna rest juan ???sorry but thats plain stupid
guys just support the team, cry all you want there’ll be no changes to suite you and ur province
the ref and linesman nailed us badly in this past game, so stop just blamming the players
it shows clearly ,ost of you never played rugby or played where a ref keeps nailing you and its like it stops you from playing
but we won and we’ll keep winning, but win or lose 100 % of those players will give all they have and try their best
THEY ARE HUMANS
8 Oct 2007, 09:34 am
G’day guys,
glad to say I called it 4 out of 4 over the weekend. Pitty about NZ being out – WC not the same. Goes to show that on the day NZ can be beaten by basically anybody. Would have preferred playing NZ in the final though.
8 Oct 2007, 09:35 am
G’day guys,
glad to say I called it 4 out of 4 over the weekend. Pitty about NZ being out – WC not the same. Goes to show that on the day NZ can be beaten by basically anybody. Would have preferred playing NZ in the final though.
8 Oct 2007, 09:36 am
G’day guys,
glad to say I called it 4 out of 4 over the weekend. Pitty about NZ being out – WC not the same. Goes to show that on the day NZ can be beaten by basically anybody. Would have preferred playing NZ in the final though.
8 Oct 2007, 09:39 am
has it ever happened before that eventual winner of the WC lost a game in the group stages? please help
8 Oct 2007, 09:41 am
has it ever happened before that eventual winner of the WC lost a game in the group stages? please help
8 Oct 2007, 09:42 am
65
Thanks mate.
8 Oct 2007, 09:43 am
you stuttering n73??? lol
one thing is amazing ???
how the ******** in here that always slated butch and smit dont have the balls to apologize to them
you guys are spineless washouts that need to get a life
8 Oct 2007, 09:43 am
Ek sal ook eerder vir die AB’s in die finaal wou speel. MAW as ons hulle wen is ons werklik die wereld se beste… Maar nou ja, jy verdien nie om die WC te wen as jy nie ALMAL kan klop nie… Ons suidelike halfrond se rugby broers het ge-fail…
I think it’s time we include Argentina in the Tri-Nations!!!! They deserve it… Just like Italia were included into the 6 nations!!!
8 Oct 2007, 09:44 am
I think its a good thing some of the Boks were not at their best against Fiji, now they have no more excuses they have two weeks left to glory! I thought Bakkies had a good game exept we struggled in the line out.
8 Oct 2007, 09:45 am
The big positive from yesterdays game is that we won with out all the guns blazing.
Bakkies had a strong game, the best I have seen him in the lose in years.
All the front row were good. JDP looked ok. Butch had a big one. Steyn broke the line nicely, but didn’t finish off well.
JPP played ok, but that was an amazing tackle. Don’t think he is getting the credit he deserves.
Juan was also pretty good.
These guy’s carried the team, which is what a team needs to do. The players dig deep for eachother when needed.
8 Oct 2007, 09:46 am
Does anybody else here feel slightly hollow that, should we make it through to the finals and should we win the cup (very hypothetical, not taking anything for granted in this tournament anymore), we wouldn’t have beaten the All Blacks in order to win it?
I don’t mean any disrespect towards France and England (actually, maybe a little towards the poms) but it has devalued the tournament slightly for me.
8 Oct 2007, 09:46 am
sh sh shark?? you going to the emi finals in durbs saterday??
8 Oct 2007, 09:50 am
we got an echo in here?
8 Oct 2007, 09:50 am
the boks just have to keep going as they are
game for game win for win
the glory will be ours in 2 weeks
8 Oct 2007, 09:51 am
Jackie #72, no, it has never happened.
8 Oct 2007, 09:51 am
we got an echo in here?
8 Oct 2007, 09:52 am
Thanks Vindicated.
sharks_lover, you blamed others not to try and change selections and then a few posts later you show your colour (see #74).
Goeiemore Cousin Cervix, die Bulle toe gescrew duer die Cheetahs?
8 Oct 2007, 09:52 am
I think that the Boks must be most fatigued playing 3 x PI teams.Very physical.
Fiji played very well. Scrum was ok – ch 1 ball but pressure in lineout, they only lost ball from “not straight”. Fiji backline is the best.
The last 10 mins Boks were brilliant.
Any more **** about Butch James — Please just wake up.
8 Oct 2007, 09:54 am
#72 NO, no one has ever won the WC if they had lost a game in the pool stages.
8 Oct 2007, 09:55 am
#72 NO, no one has ever won the WC if they had lost a game in the pool stages.
8 Oct 2007, 09:55 am
Richie in tears.
Almost, almost felt sorry for him.
Nothing brings out the nurturing in a woman like a man on the verge of tears.
8 Oct 2007, 09:58 am
Shark-lover, For sure.
Plus the final hopefully at KP if Flou Bulls can beat FS or in Bloem if they don’t.
8 Oct 2007, 09:58 am
Whats the difference between the AB’s and 1/2 a Viagra pill?
1/2 a Viagra gives you a semi!
8 Oct 2007, 09:59 am
yup sh sh ill be there too
cant wait
8 Oct 2007, 10:00 am
Maybe now Aus will get rid of that waste of oxygen Donut Dunning.
He should be ashamed of himself calling himself a scrummager.
So much lard not to be allowed near a rugby field.
8 Oct 2007, 10:04 am
#84 Boerboel,
Jaa, kuk my ou bulletjies weer in die pomp!!! Hel, maar daai manne speel nou one dimensional rugby!!! Derick Kuun is nie n haker nie, ek het dit van die begin af gese!!! Hy is n impak flank!!!
Anyway so werk dit nou maar!!! Hoop net die bokke begin op alle selinders fire en wen die naweek. Ek dink ook die franse gaan die Poms stamp!!!
8 Oct 2007, 10:05 am
boerboel where did i make a selection???
i merely stated people that bad mouthed players like butch or smit should have the balls to say sorry ???
no where did i say they should or shouldnt be there
read properly mate
8 Oct 2007, 10:06 am
#90 More Trupi!!!!
Goeie een ou maat!!!!! So kuk daai ouens in die pomp!!! WEEREENS!!!!!
hiehaa
8 Oct 2007, 10:07 am
Players like FDP, Percy and Burger are mature enough to realise they had a poor game and correct themselves. Steyn is still immature. He has had a number of dreadful games in S14 etc, and still does not learn to stop his ‘clever-boy’ 50/50 passes and flips, or his offloading panic that makes one fear he will give away an intercept at least once a game, and so on. On the other hand he makes such searing breaks his teammates can’t even keep up with him.
People have said he is the SA Michelak, a bumbling genius. Has anyone noticed if you imagine ghim blad, he also looks very much like Michelak!
8 Oct 2007, 10:10 am
Couson, ek dink die Bokke is goed op pad. Hel wat help dit hulle piek teen Fiji? Hulle het gedoen wat nodig is om te wen. Nou het ‘n paar manne hulle afdag gehad, maar dit is soos gholf. As die ouens saam met jou sleg speel is dit donners moeilik om jouself ‘n briljante spel te hê.
Nou moet die Bokke Sa een rat opgaan en dan in hoogste versnelling kom vir die finaal. Ek dink die finaal gaan wees tussen Frankryk en SA en die Franse gaan opgepomp wees, maar hulle gaan 2 harde naweke agter die rug hê en in die laaste 15 min die game verloor.
8 Oct 2007, 10:10 am
Sorry that should have read “imagine him bald”….above
8 Oct 2007, 10:14 am
Wow…another relatively close call – and to be fair almost undone by some blatantly poor refereeing. JPP should not have had to pull off that tackle because that pass was miles forward – in exactly the same vein as the Frogs the day before. And then my favourite – the ref calling a scrum on their line – why because the score was 20 all – this after the Fijians had executed a high tackle followed by an intentional knock down….
As for Steyn – he is a real talent, but it needs to be tempered with some thinking….his decision making is rash at the best of times – and it could cost us against a more clinical team like the Argies.
8 Oct 2007, 10:17 am
More manne (en vrou of twee)
My Monday morning checklist
AB’s loose to France – check
Wannabies loose to Poms – Check
Big orange crunch blou apies -Check
WP win – check
SWD win – Check
Els win – Damn!!! Bloody damn!!!!
I score – check!!!
Not a bad weekend after all!
8 Oct 2007, 10:22 am
Boerboel,
Dit is n fair comment daai!!! Ons moet high pace ruggas teen die Argies speel… Hulle hou daarvan om die game stadig te maak en hulle forwards in die spel te bring. Ons moet die bal weg shift van hulle forward af… Alhoewel ek geen twyfel het dat ons forwards hulle kan in toom hou nie!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 10:23 am
off topic
during the aussie/eng game, somewhere duing the second half, fat dunning was standing over the ruck… man that guy has got one huge arse. his shorts looked like he borrowed them from mc hammer… man. I was watching it on a small little tv but it still filled the room
just wondering if anyone else found it as funny.
8 Oct 2007, 10:24 am
Why I think we should win the game against the Argies this weekend:
1) We usually strugle against teams with good backlines (Fiji, Aus, AB, Tonga). Arg don’t have a backline
2) Arg knows only one game plan: Drive with forwards, kick up-and-under, drive with forwards, up-and-under…..
3) Arg got “moeg” in the last 20min. They also admitted it.
4) Play the ball quick and wide – Scotland did it in the last 20 min and it seems the work against Arg
Why I think we might not win the game:
1) Percy is **** under the high ball
2) Jake telling the Argies this week what type of game plan he will use against them (just like he did last week – and we almost lost)
3) Complacency – Jake telling everybody that we have never lost against Arg
8 Oct 2007, 10:24 am
#94 Hoesit Cuzzie !!
Dink dit is roudag by ons vrinne daaronder. Shame.
8 Oct 2007, 10:25 am
scrawl, never found a man’s *** funny or anything else.
8 Oct 2007, 10:26 am
scrawl
That man is an abomination.
8 Oct 2007, 10:27 am
#100 More Knysna,
Els het lelik uit die bus gemoer…
Anyway, dis n rugby site die!!! Ek is ongelukkig oor my bulletjies.. Maar wat kan n ou nou se!!!
#102
Bwahahahaahha… Hes got more fat on him than a Bombo’s burger!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 10:29 am
I’m just hoping we don’t have anymore Kiwi refs or touch judges in our games. Those bloody kiwis cry about Wayne Barnes but their touch jusdges were blind against Fiji. How could they not see any of those high tackles.
Honnis has always cheated against SA – “go talk to your me” against Ireland, remember. Walsh is no better either.
It’s about time they got some of their own medicine. How many times have they scroed tries gainst us with forward passes?
8 Oct 2007, 10:29 am
We lacked passion and urgency!!
We need to get our emotional state right. The boks have always played their best rugby when motivated. We have the ability to beat the best team in the world even when our own team is substandard.
I believe this team has got the talent but I fear that it won’t be enough. Like it was,tnt enough for the AB’s
This is how World Cups are won. PASSION, PASSION PASSION!! And I have’nt seen it from the boks yet.
8 Oct 2007, 10:30 am
#104 trupi,
Daai manne gaan of hulle vraatjies af kopu of op hulle ma’le se gras kuk as hulle by die huis kom… F*k hulle is so negatief soos n hoender wat n ball bearing gele het….
hiehaaaa
8 Oct 2007, 10:34 am
#103 – Sorry but you lost me at “Argentina don’t have a backline”. They have an incredibly dangerous backline and with Hernandez at pivot I expect them to utilise it to the full on the weekend. There’s no way they’ll try and attack our forwards in any setpiece outside of the scrum.
I think they’re going to be sending a lot of 3rd phase ball down the backline.
8 Oct 2007, 10:34 am
Howzit Knysna
Kak weather – check. See the snow on the mountains?
Cuzzie, jammer oor die kalwers. Hulle kan darem weer probeer die naweek.
8 Oct 2007, 10:34 am
Wonder if JW can secure Graham H before weekend as tech advisor as the man is now without a job. Ha ha!
Cousin
Jou spannetjie het moedig probeer maar dis duidelik dat FS hierdie jaar (ten minste) hul meerdere is. Cheetahs is soos Bokke. Die beker is daar vir hulle om dit te verloor!
8 Oct 2007, 10:34 am
100 – How can you leave out the biggest check of them all?
Lions OBLITERATED those poor Bolanders by a massive 75 points to zip. Must say, they’re looking like CC champs if ever I’ve seen one.
This needs more mention and praise here. I think there is a third force that is keeping them out of the spotlight.
8 Oct 2007, 10:35 am
“world leaders are united in their praise for the all blacks in doing
their bit to reduce their carbon footprint by dropping the wallabies off
on their way home”
8 Oct 2007, 10:37 am
“world leaders are united in their praise for the all blacks in doing
their bit to reduce their carbon footprint by dropping the wallabies off
on their way home”
8 Oct 2007, 10:40 am
#112 Knysna
Ek het so funne feeling dat die tjarkies hom sal vat!!! Die VS speel goeie ruggas, maar ek persoonlik dink die beker gaan weer Durbs toe…
Pote moet maar gaan, hy het sy welcome overstay!!!
8 Oct 2007, 10:42 am
#116 hehehehehe
8 Oct 2007, 10:47 am
Hellllllooooooooo almal !!
8 Oct 2007, 10:49 am
Relax people…
It is wrong, wrong, wrong – but our guys obviously had their eyes on the semis already.
We made it – that’s all that counts.
As has been pointed out – the chances of all those guys, collectively, having another off-day like they did – not likely.
Couple things about the Argies…
Their scrum, suprisingly, was lighter than the Scots? WTF?
The Scots actually managed a tighthead! WTF?
We will hoepfully have our guys falling back in numbers – because, as has been rightly pointed out – Percy/JPP under countless highballs?
Hello nerves….
Just hope JW doesn’t think it wise to pick someone who can field highballs – and put WO on the wing.
Anything but that!
Argies admitted to getting tired.
Been a long tournament for them.
That’s good news for us.
But then I started thinking – apart from the USA, where we had to rush them on in any event – we haven’t exactly ‘rested’ any of our mainline players either…
This could just be our biggest problem come the (hopefully) finals…
We might see serious fatigue climb in.
Which might be another reason for the poor display from the key players yesterday…
One last thing – JPP and THAT tackle – you BEAUTY!
8 Oct 2007, 10:49 am
To be honest, the AB didn’t play any good rugby the last 10 months. Only the last 10mins in the second tri-nations game against us, and maybe the game against Aus in New Zealand. But that’s about it. Their S14 teams were average this year and they didn’t play any warm-up games before the WC. The same goes for Aus.
8 Oct 2007, 10:49 am
Katman
Ja OK. Jou span is ok goed.
Cousin
Ek **** jou. Die span met die credentials asook die ysters is tog maar die VS, maar nou ja, kyk wat gebeur wanneer jy in die knock-off stages van ‘n kompetisie kom. Laat ek myself nie te veel uitspreek nie!
8 Oct 2007, 10:51 am
100.
Sharks win while resting 7 players.- Check.
8 Oct 2007, 10:55 am
#119 Haaaalllllooooo GGGGBBBBSSSS!!!!!!!!
Hoe hang die balle ou maat???
Knysna,
VS moet net nie te vroeg begin praat nie, kyk waar staan die AB’s en Aussie noe…hehehehehe
8 Oct 2007, 11:01 am
A helpline has been set up for all australian and new Zealand supporters for those who have been affected by the losses over the weekned.
It is for Free and they should call 1800 10 10 10
Which of course can be interpreted as
1800 won nothing, won nothing, won nothing
8 Oct 2007, 11:01 am
Knysna
Sharks win while resting 7 players – Check.
Katman
Welcome to Kings Park boet for your last CC game this season. I hope .. LOL. Check.
8 Oct 2007, 11:04 am
# 111. Might be wrong but don’t remember any useful backline move from the Arg in this WC. Pichot/Hernandez kicks 90% of the time and when the ball eventually gets to the centres, they don’t know what to do with it.
8 Oct 2007, 11:05 am
Nou is ons in kuk geselsskap!!!
8 Oct 2007, 11:05 am
To get back to Frans Steyn,
is this the same Frans Steyn who kicked the Super 14 trophy away?
He seems to have forgotten to pass the ball after drawing his man.
We must be very lucky to have him.
8 Oct 2007, 11:07 am
Nou is ons in kuk geselsskap!!!
#125,
Nou wat nou???? Waar is die groot bek wat jy die afgelop paar maande was???
Bookkkeeee!!!!!!
hiehaaaa
8 Oct 2007, 11:08 am
Wallabie, you have my sincere sympathy. It takes a man to show his face here.
8 Oct 2007, 11:11 am
# 131,
……………..of ‘n brommer op ‘n drol……. hehehe
4 MORE YEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 11:14 am
#131, Boerboel
No it shows he is desparate to blog here and needs friends!!! Now he is trying to be all Mr funny guy after his team was beaten by one of the worst England teams in WC history!!!
8 Oct 2007, 11:16 am
#132 Bwahahahahahaah
8 Oct 2007, 11:27 am
Cuzzy, are you telling me # 125 was supposed to be funny??
I’ll tell what is REALLY FUNNY…….. the Ozzies are on a “high”……. they are already on a plane home………. hehehe
Which was the quietest queue at the French Customs on Sunday morning…….. I wonder…….. hehehe
8 Oct 2007, 11:32 am
#135 GBS,
“I’ll tell what is REALLY FUNNY…….. the Ozzies are on a “highâ€â€¦â€¦. they are already on a plane home………. hehehe”
Very funny!!!!!
I think that is what he meant by his little child line phone no…
8 Oct 2007, 11:32 am
Talking about backline moves – we’ve got the best line-breaker in the world at the moment but with absolutely no one to back him up when he has to offload. Surely our loosies, Butch, blid-side wing etc should be expecting something to happen everytime the Kid gets the ball so they finish off all the creative work he does?
8 Oct 2007, 11:33 am
#129 Genius – it’s the same Frans Steyn who scored two outstanding drop goals to save the game against Australia in the T3 – you prick!
8 Oct 2007, 11:34 am
Damn! This past weekend was amazing. Couple of things I picked up
England showed how you go about playing test Rugby. They had a strategy, implemented it perfectly and importantly they played to their strengths. They mashed Aus up front and with Wilkinson at pivot, it ensured a win. Without Larkam, Aus were not able perform as well as they normaly do with the poor ball they got from their forwards
Graham Henry is the reason New Zealand lost. His rotation policy is a good system but
I think it ended up confusing him as to who are his best players. Aaron Mauger is the best inside centre in the world bar no one. I dont care how many line breaks the Luke Mcallisters and MAtt Gitteau make, you just cant place enough value on a player like Mauger who organises the All Black back line and get them to play the most amazing moves and rugby. It was a criminal ommision by Henry and its equal to Mallets ommission of the Henry Honiball (the best flyhalf in the world at the time) for a drop goal blockbuster Jannie De Beer at WC 99. Rugby is a simple game. In critical positions, you need technicians and not necessarily crowd superstars.
South Africa I think need to remember how to play hard and to their strength. The last 20 minutes against Fiji showed how we should play. Fourie Dupree continues to be our most important player. When he is not dominant, somehow we struggle. In this world cup we need him to take charge and get that pack working. more use of the box kick and little pop up passes to rampaging forwards. I dont rememer seeing Os and even Gurthro making a run. LEts take a leaf out of the English. Play to our strengths. We are now the best team left in the WC. LEts trust ourselves and play to our strengths. No one will beat us. This world cup will be won by great defence and a dominant pack. LEts give oursleves the opportunity to be dominant up front
Argentina are a very good team. Their style of play is not dissimilar to the Boks. I think the reason we have always beaten them is becos we are just better at that style. But they have improved immensely and importantlly their half back pairing is excellent. Who wins this weekend will be determined by which half back pairing plays better.
Oh and did anyone notice that the second Bakkies left the field, Fiji suddenly began to get physical and dirty with our boys. Bakkies has to be the number one enforcer in world rugby
8 Oct 2007, 11:36 am
Hello GBS.
Sien iemand het gechirp oor die naweek jy’s nou GrootGROUsmile na die bulletjies se game
8 Oct 2007, 11:38 am
A nation depressed? New Zealand
Tackles on nowhere to be found? My guess is… he is not man enough to come out and admit that he got it wrong.
NZ kid arrived at school on Monday heavily beaten up. Teacher asked him what happen? He replied his father always beat him up whan NZ lose the WC. Teacher asked and if they win it? Kid replied……. I don’t know I’m 18 years old.
8 Oct 2007, 11:39 am
Im very dissapointed in Australia. I would have liked them to go through rather than England. But up front, they had no answer.
Nz on the other hand i feel no sympathy. You can call on the forward pass as unfair , but they should have taken France more seriously. And i agree with odogg that Mauger should have played inside centre.He is the man that make things move.
Oh well…4 more years boys.
8 Oct 2007, 11:42 am
Het nou net die hoogtepunte gesien van die AB vs Franse wedstryd.
Daardie bal van die Franse se laaste drie was so ver vorentoe gewees, amper verder vorentoe as Helgard Muller se pass teen die WP in een of ander CB finaal, of amper so ver vorentoe as die pass wat Chester in die 1998 CB finaal ontvang het.
Jammer dat foute deur die skeidsregter en lynregter die wedstryd vir die AB’s gekos het.
Al die Suid-Afrikaners wat hul so verlekker in die AB’S se verloor, moet maar gou kalm en rustig word.
Ek dink dit sou makliker gewees het om teen die AB’s in die finaal te probeer wen, as teen die Franse.
Dink net hoe eensydig gaan die skare, die ref’s en lynregters dan wees, as ons in Frankryk teen die tuisspan moet wen ?
Ons moet maar hoop die Engelse wen die Franse, anders kom daar groot moeilikheid teen die Franse in die finaal.
Ons moet natuurlik ook eers die Argentyne wen, wat dalk baie engergie gaan vat van ons, en dalk beserings.
Maar alles in alles gesê: as jy ‘n ware kampioen wil wees, moet jy alle omstandighede in ‘n wedstryd kan hanteer, d.w.s. ook ‘n vorentoe aangee teen jou, ‘n onderskepdrie, ‘n geelkaart, ‘n nat veld, ‘n briljante drie teen jou, onverwagse skepskop, swak ref, ongeluk, verkeerde spring van die bal, of wat ookal. Alles is deel van die spel.
Jy moet alles kan hanteer en ook daarvoor voorberei … vra maar vir die S14 kampioene …
Berei vir ALLES voor, ook die slegste scenario en die res sal volg op die veld.
Die volgende 2 weke sal wys wie het vir ALLES voorberei om kampioen te wees
8 Oct 2007, 11:43 am
#125 Wallabie
Good one, you’re irritating, but you’re brave and you have a sense of humour.
You guys should have got rid of Gregan two years ago, he didnt have another cup left in him.
8 Oct 2007, 11:43 am
Enjoy the piece and quiet on this blog over the next couple of weeks Bok fans
I dont think there will be too many giving you a hard time for a while
8 Oct 2007, 11:47 am
Howzit guys!!!
I very happy about the Boks. They seem to have the hunger. When they had to step u they did. A lot of people seem to like picking the negatives and not looking at the plus column. We are placed really well to win this cup right now.
8 Oct 2007, 11:47 am
#140 Trupi,
SSshhhhhhh, ons praat nie oor my spannetjie nie!!!
8 Oct 2007, 11:48 am
Hey Vindicated
I feel for you. Not just that your out , but that you lost to the Poms.
I always rated Gregan, but on Saturday he was just too slow.
8 Oct 2007, 11:48 am
#145 Vindicated.
Sorry about your loss. Pointless giving rewards for the refs head, you should have just scored again. Leaving Mauger out was a major mistake, pun intended.
8 Oct 2007, 11:49 am
Vindie
Does that include you?
I thought you said you were gonna tough it out?
8 Oct 2007, 11:49 am
#145.
Too true. They will be choking in silence.
The press must be having a field day by you guys.
8 Oct 2007, 11:50 am
You see Vindicated, we are busy earning our bragging rights the hard way. You bragged before your team even left for the WC, no you gloated. Sies man.
8 Oct 2007, 11:54 am
#146 skunk
I am very glad about the boks, I’m a huge patriot!!! But one worrying factor was the defence… Our defence started to slack in the Tonga game and haven’t improved since then… I hope/know we can jack it up for this weekend!!!
#145 How about 10-12…Eish!!!
8 Oct 2007, 11:56 am
#152 Boeboel…..hehehehehehe
Sies man… Van Brad Pitt tot spier wit!!!! Van hero tot zero…
8 Oct 2007, 11:58 am
Vindicated,
I think australian self confidence and self belief are one of the nost misunderstood things in sport. YOur country has achieved so much with literally minimal resources. I think what has caused you guys to be disliked had been your lack of humility at times and even arroganc personfied by Gregans four more years statement to the All Blacks in 2003. That said, how you have taken this loss speaks volumes for Australians. Now if only you would have as mcuh humility in victory as you have displayed in loss, I think your teams would be both respected, admired and loved.
I am curious, who are you supporting for the remainder of the WC
8 Oct 2007, 12:00 pm
odogg
Thats true in most games when Bakkies is on the field, there is no pushing and shoving, but when he leaves the nonsense start. I heard a someone say the other day that Ackerman is always mean but against Bakkies he’s been on the backfoot. Like that punch the threw against the bulls, that would never have happend if Bakkies was on the field.
8 Oct 2007, 12:00 pm
As a bok fan I am VERY disappointed that the All Blacks are out. Why did they have to be SO SELFISH and INCONSIDERATE and choke early and not against us in the final. Shame on you.
8 Oct 2007, 12:03 pm
Big selection errors by Henry over the weekend.
15 Mills Muliaina
13 Isaia Toeava
12 Aaron Mauger
4 Chris Jack
And Luke McAlister as reserve flyhalf/impact player.Maybe he thaught he knew something we didn’t………Eish!!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:03 pm
IG,
Why is the Keo site so slow today??? It takes about 5 min to tipe a new post…
Kom man, get your act together old chap!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:04 pm
Big selection errors by Henry over the weekend.
15 Mills Muliaina
13 Isaia Toeava
12 Aaron Mauger
4 Chris Jack
And Luke McAlister as reserve flyhalf/impact player.Maybe he thaught he knew something we didn’t………Eish!!!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:05 pm
4man
My team wears Green and Gold – not Black
But if I was a Kiwi, i think Id be pretty pissed
8 Oct 2007, 12:05 pm
Cuzzie – jy tik te sssstttaaaaaddddiiiiiggggg
8 Oct 2007, 12:07 pm
I feel less than zero for the Ozzies & their supporters………. arrogant buch of has-beens…….
I have respect for the All Blacks & feel their pain…….. except of course for a couple of dim-witted supporters / bloggers…….
8 Oct 2007, 12:10 pm
# 161,
“My team wears green & gold”…….. ha bloody ha, that will be the day…….. your team wears Puke-yellow and green……… and is Outa Here…….
Hie haaaaaaaaaaa
8 Oct 2007, 12:10 pm
Ek dink Steyn is ons beste binnesenter in JDV se afwesigheid. Maar baie hang af van die wedstrydsituasie.
Die halfeind en finaal gaan nie met mooi hardloop/sewesrugby gewen word nie, maar dodelike verdediging en koelkop bly. ‘n Verder groot faktor gaan die spelers van die bank wees in die laaste 20 minute. Al die spanne is nou al moeg met 5 wedstryde agtermekaar. Die reserwekrag moet nou begin inskop. Hier is dit waar ons nou vir JDV en Spies BAIE gaan mis. Maar ons moet speel met wat ons het.
Daarom is my voorstel die volgende, en moet nou asb nie my kop afbyt voordat jul my voorstel rustig oorweeg het nie:
1. Ek sal vir WO speel op binnesenter vir 50 tot 60 minute, omdat WO meer ervaring het in die posisie en sy verdediging ook meer stabiel is. Hy bly ook kalmer onder groot druk. Ja, WO het nog nooit iets asemrowend gedoen nie, maar hy is meer stabiel en betroubaar in sulke groot wedstryde. As daar dan 15 minute oor is, kan Steyn opgebring word om daardie ekstra ‘magic’ te veroorsaak met sy innoverende spel, ‘n drie te druk of die nodige skepskop oor te klits.
2. Verder sal ek my lostrio as volg kies:
Danie, Burger en Juan. Op die bank is Wicus en Bob die reserwes, saam met Jannie DP (as CJ reg is)en Gary of Bismarck. Na 60 minute kom Wicus op vir Burger, en Bob op vir Danie. Alles afhangende van die wedstrydsituasie dan.
3. Agterlynreserwes: Ruan, Andre P en Steyn. Na 60 minute bring vir Ruan op in JPP se plek, en Steyn in WO se plek. Andre P bly op die bank in die geval van verdere beserings.
Ek dink regtig die bank in die laaste twintig minute kan deurslaggewend wees.
Die ideaal sou myns insiens gewees het as Danie R ook op die bank kon wees, maar ons het nie ‘n ander sterk agsteman wat in sy plek kan begin nie. Dit is te laat om nou met Burger of Smith daar te begin. Om met Bob te begin kan dalk ook ‘n te groot risiko wees, want hy is eerder ‘n impakspeler.
8 Oct 2007, 12:12 pm
#162 Trupi,
F*k ek try ou maat!!!!hehehe
#163 GBS,
hear-hear!!!!
Nou gaan hulle baie stil wees…tietkoppe!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:13 pm
“Leading bookmakers Ladbrokes have installed the Springboks as favourites to lift the Webb Ellis Cup in France.”
That’s more like it.
8 Oct 2007, 12:14 pm
#164 GBS
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Puke yellow… So ou Christmas vomit in a tumble dryer!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:16 pm
Cousin
Yeah me too but the biggest issue with those to game was that they had big boys running at us the whole game. Now As much as I rate the Argies, French and Poms they do not pose as much a threat to our defensive game.
I don’t know how many people noticed that we lost our defensive shape late in the game. thats when people got tired. We simply have to work on our fitness.
8 Oct 2007, 12:16 pm
#167
I mustn’t go to our heads now!!! we should focus purely on the next game and not get ahead of ourselves!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:20 pm
Gentlemen!!!!!!!!
Has anyone noticed that Juan Smith has probably been the best player of the WC thus far.He’s truly the ‘Silent Assasin’.
8 Oct 2007, 12:21 pm
#169,
It’s too late for that now… We can’t let that bring us to our knees now… We can’t afford that in a semi or final!!!! it’s time to work on the small thingsand do fine tuning… there is no time to look at things like fitness…
8 Oct 2007, 12:22 pm
We are on track for glory!! Just worried about the complacency shown by the Boks yesterday!
8 Oct 2007, 12:24 pm
Sharkmarine,
I agree fully. For us to win the WC though, Dupree has to be our stand out player
8 Oct 2007, 12:25 pm
Howzit Trup
Ja, kuk weather indeed. Got back from CT this morning. Snow on all mountains to George.
What do you think boet.
Have we seen the last of Rossouw?
Must say, I rated him and he was THE disappointment for me.
Wikus, Schalk and Superman Smith at 8?
Game this weekend to tight for BOB.
8 Oct 2007, 12:25 pm
Thought the poms’ staring contest was ridiculous.
off a site from NZ, showing what they are doing to draw the crowds from Europe:
But while fans are dejected, Tourism New Zealand hopes the world’s largest inflatable rugby ball in Paris will inspire Europeans to come here in four years.
8 Oct 2007, 12:29 pm
THE TACKLER …. WOOOOOHA HA HAAA HA HAAAAA WOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAA HAA HAAAAAAAA MMMMMWWWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA WOOOHAAAAA HA HAAAA HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA HA MWWWWWAAHHAAAAA HAAAAA
8 Oct 2007, 12:29 pm
THE TACKLER …. WOOOOOHA HA HAAA HA HAAAAA WOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAA HAA HAAAAAAAA MMMMMWWWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA WOOOHAAAAA HA HAAAA HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA HA MWWWWWAAHHAAAAA HAAAAA
8 Oct 2007, 12:29 pm
Cousin
How’s this Pieter de Villiers at tight head?
He’s as solid as a rock hey. Ex Malmesbury boy I would think Rassie should maybe call him to retire in Stormers country maybe?
8 Oct 2007, 12:29 pm
Trupi,
yes so they can choke again is four years time…hehehehe
8 Oct 2007, 12:32 pm
#180 Knysna…
Another player that was lost by SA… Anyway, it’s not every prop that can slot in at tight head as well as loose head… Good tallent!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:34 pm
Boks came through a hard game looking very professional and WC contenders – everybody will admit at 20-20 SA were looking like they could lose the game – John Smit spoke to the boys and they knuckled down and won the game comfortably. Our mauling and scrum looked power – very uniformed and well practised(most impressive in the tournament – reminds me of NZ of old !!), it was the only way to win against the Fijians.
Guys leave Steyn alone – the boy has major talent and is a game winner – he will have learnt alot from yesterday .
8 Oct 2007, 12:35 pm
No Reason for worrying. The Boks showed in the way they closed out the Fiji game in the last 15 minutes that they can deal with pressure. John Smit ensured we didnt panic in the face of some serious Presure. Gotta hand it to Fiji they played 200% above themselves against a bok team that was off it’s game. The tournament is no longer a pyhsical thing. At this stage form,fitness and all the rest come second, its a mental thing now! If the boks have the mental strength then the rest shouldnt be a problem, we are undoubtly the best team left at the tournament so physically and with skill we could domintate any side left in the tournament, its just mental now!
8 Oct 2007, 12:39 pm
Much credit must go to the Boks for their discipline. They had to deal with constant head high and late tackles with no help from the ref or linesman.
If that had happened 4 years ago there would have been a huge fight, at least 2 yellow cards and possibly a red. This is now a mature and professional team, coached and captained by 2 of the best we may ever see for SA.
There is now a major problem with refs and linesman at the top level of the game. It is time the IRB looked into the TV ref having more of a direct say in the game.
It is disgracefull to see what other teams are allowed to get away with against SA and we have the refs blowing us up constantly.
8 Oct 2007, 12:40 pm
it’s pleasing to see that Vindicated, Cane and Wallabie have the balls to show up here today had take the sledging like men – credit to them.
Pity their teams didn’t stand up to be counted like they are doing!! Chokers!!!!!!!
Bok performance yesterday was okay in places, cr@p in others. Pack didn’t function well and young Steyn needs a good talking too. Games can be lost by rash decision. Stick to the game plan my boy – you have world class talent, learn when to use it.
Butch and JPP had good games, not great, bar THAT tackle from JPP. FduP was also off.
For next week, i agree slight of hand and speed of ball is going to win it. The Argies will take all the pick and drive we can throw at them. Quick recycling and straightening the line up the midfield is the key.
8 Oct 2007, 12:40 pm
160 – agreed , but they thought they had this one easy , thats why they let Keith Robinson have his first game !!!! Would not like to be in NZ at the moment ….. 4 years down the drain !!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:43 pm
see most think it’s gonna be a france vs boks fial. click on long drop to see poll. play bob the only skilled no.8 in bok squad !
8 Oct 2007, 12:43 pm
#171 Only about 5 of us on this site alone
8 Oct 2007, 12:45 pm
Bob is skilled,maar kannie tackle nie Lang drop.
8 Oct 2007, 12:45 pm
186 – were we watching the same game – the Pack won the game for the Springboks ????
8 Oct 2007, 12:47 pm
188
Agree,we need to use Bob in the last 20. His ball handling will be key, as by that point the Argies will be running out of steam. Use Danie to soften them up a bit, then Bob.
8 Oct 2007, 12:47 pm
I dont understand why our backline failed to move up quickly…these guys(Fiji) had to much time and space. All have to get takkie dril for that…maggies!!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:48 pm
Danie can’t even soften up his washing!
8 Oct 2007, 12:49 pm
We need Bob to come on at 60 min against the Argies! Jake needs to play Wikus and Schalk at flank and Juan at 8. Subs needs to be Rossouw at lock and Bob at 8 after 60min as we needed some fresh legs yesterday. We also missed Wikus’ turnovers yesterday. Wikus needs to be there as Schalk is not a fetcher!!
The argies arent as big as the fijians and it will suit Bobs game. he will be the edge against the Argies!!I guarantee that Bob would not have butchered 2 try opportunities like schalk did yesterday. Schalk can be lucky we were at the 5m for 10min. with Bob we would’ve scored the 1st time and then a second!!
bob has skill and is fast!!! We would need him on Saturday to up the pace of the game in the last 20min – he wont be needed for his tackling but his ability to create tries!!
8 Oct 2007, 12:49 pm
A bit off the point now… What vegetables did the AB’s have for supper on friday night?
ARTI- CHOKES!
8 Oct 2007, 12:50 pm
Stew – i thought the pakc didn’t function as well as it can do. Line outs were off, scums 50/50. The loosies did well, esp Juan. Overall not a great day in the office – they can do much better.
8 Oct 2007, 12:50 pm
die meeste bokke kan nie tackle nie. gaan te hoog in en sluit nie arms nie. wickus, schalk en kie ingesluit. die pumas duik laag en vat die baldraer ook uit die spel
8 Oct 2007, 12:54 pm
Pumas has not changed their style/gameplan since game 1. They will scrum, attack the fringes and lauch the Gary Owen’s. It is working for them, we have to force our style of play onto them and be more physical, lately not too many aggressive clear out at the rucks, yes if FduP struggles it has an influence on the rest of the backline, if he looks shaky replace him with RP. I doubt if FduP will have 2 bad games in a row
8 Oct 2007, 12:58 pm
it’s those G Owens that worries me. percy, Habana and JP is not all that steady under the high ball.
8 Oct 2007, 12:59 pm
Saartjie
The Fidji backline made us look slow because they are so damn good. Its like when jaques kallis look as if his got lots of time to play against a fast bowler. He’s just that good.
On weekends performance I reckon the Fidji bakcline and the Poms front 8 to be a potent combination.
8 Oct 2007, 13:00 pm
#67 Sharks-lover…
Read my post again . I did not say leave Juan out, I said Bobby and Wikus should come on so that Juan can have a breather! Nothing wrong with resting for 20 or 25 minutes, Wikus and Bobby are no Slouts!
I have critisized Butch and John in the past, and I think they are doing realy well now, especially Butch! Sure you have critisized many NON SHARKS in the past!
8 Oct 2007, 13:02 pm
#198, LD
Dit is een ding waaraan ons moet werk die week, ons hardloop lyne en defence!!!
8 Oct 2007, 13:05 pm
Tinus – agreed. I thought the single biggest reason we won was leadership. Too often in the past we have crumbled when faced with a situation like 20 all with 20 to go. JS was superb in his leadership, and i’m sure was abley supported by the other senior players.
8 Oct 2007, 13:07 pm
Where is KiaKahaNZ?
8 Oct 2007, 13:08 pm
in hiding, like Tackler!
odd how quiet the site is today…
8 Oct 2007, 13:10 pm
Can someone please tell me why Ali Williams was not cited for his knee into Betson’s head??
8 Oct 2007, 13:13 pm
Yes, and why weren’t Dunning, Sheperdson and Baxter cited for scrumming backwards?
8 Oct 2007, 13:14 pm
mellw…
Because he is on his way to the North Pole!
8 Oct 2007, 13:15 pm
Yes, and why weren’t Dunning, Sheperdson and Baxter cited for scrumming backwards?
8 Oct 2007, 13:16 pm
The Sydney Mourning Herald had these fantastic words to say about us (Saffas)today…
We all love to hate certain teams, depending on our nationality or heritage: Aussies and Kiwis don’t much enjoy the successes of the other, ditto Ireland and Wales.
But it seems to me that most feelings of the raging dislike variety is reserved for England and South Africa, regardless of where rugby fans sit in relation to the equator.
Are they really that bad, or are the rest of us jealous?
The Springboks are dirty cheats, and England smug snobs, I hear.
What the average punter detests is an on-field thug, and South African lock Bakkies Botha has such a reputation. Botha has been accused of eye gouging, biting, and generally being a cheap-shot merchant.
Fans also possess elephant-like memories of off-field misdemeanours.
England veteran Lawrence Dallaglio lost the national captaincy after inadvertently telling newspaper reporters from News of the World, disguised as advertising executives, that he took cocaine and ecstasy on the 1997 Lions tour of South Africa, dealed in drugs before becoming a professional footballer and had *** romps with prostitutes. Dallaglio later denied all claims – except experimental drug use as a teenager – saying he was trying to impress the bogus executives, but the self-caked mud stuck.
Botha and Dallaglio are taking part in the World Cup.
Are we hating the teams because of the actions of individual players, or does it spread deeper, as I suspect, to the team’s supporters, many who are seen to have superiority complexes?
8 Oct 2007, 13:18 pm
206
He was on a plane home so it would be kinda difficuly getting him to attend the hearing.
8 Oct 2007, 13:18 pm
Sorry but i have to do this again please….
Dear Tackler
Wooohahahahah ha ha haaa hahahaha haaaaaaa woooohahhahahaamahahhaha haaaaaaaaa hahahahhaaa MMMwaaaahahahaa hahahaha hahaaaaa wooohahhahaaaaaa wwwaaahahahaa
8 Oct 2007, 13:20 pm
Middag Baas Katman en hoe gaan dit.
Please spare a thought for the Mighty Elephants who lost their bid to join the big boys.
8 Oct 2007, 13:21 pm
Credit be given to Whites favourites, they seem to be delivering for him! Had there been no Butch nor Smith, that game could have been lost.
On the Pumas. We better brush up on our high ball catching skills as this is what they’ll do for the whole afternoon. No that we’ll loose this one but we have reasons to worry because of Percy, JP. Come to think of it, this is our biggest weakness! We have enough to go all the way though. The pumas will run out of gas at the end. That is also how we’ll win the cup. The rest of the teams will not have enough gas to take them through to the final and we seem to !
8 Oct 2007, 13:22 pm
Mmmmmm
That Nivea Ultra Glide guy in the ad ain’t half bad.
8 Oct 2007, 13:22 pm
Yebo, lets save that till AFTER we win the cup. He (Tackler) is gonna be all over us like a bad rash if we also fail. Dont give him the ammunition!!!
8 Oct 2007, 13:23 pm
197 – the lineouts didnt look to bad and we couldnt really steal their lineouts cause the ball was so scew – bad reffering
8 Oct 2007, 13:24 pm
Keo, what is wrong with keo.co.za? Can it handle the load?
8 Oct 2007, 13:25 pm
All rugby supporters are one eyed to a certain extent, no more so NZ and AUS.
Fact is, they don’t like us cause we are a mayor threat to them and cause we don’t have the same accent and cause we don’t call everyone MATE or LASS!
8 Oct 2007, 13:26 pm
RedLion
It’s that Ultra Glide guy ad daring me to do the ultra glide with him.
8 Oct 2007, 13:27 pm
#216 Yeah! you are probably right but if we loose he’ll never get to savour the moment , would’nt he now?
8 Oct 2007, 13:28 pm
Stating the obvious: the only two unbeaten teams, SA and Arg, to play each other this weekend.
It’s not improbable that the final game of the tournament will be between the same teams that started it, Arg and France.
But I think the Boks are favourites to beat Arg, although not by much.
Fidji were fantastic.
8 Oct 2007, 13:28 pm
Whoops
The Charade girls are back. Now the site’s gonna crash for sure.
8 Oct 2007, 13:29 pm
Dawn – bedaar…
8 Oct 2007, 13:30 pm
Yebo….
HIhiiihii Hooohaaaahiii!!!
8 Oct 2007, 13:31 pm
:;:
8 Oct 2007, 13:32 pm
Sorry, Fidji, not Fiji.
Fourie du Preez make various mistakes. The Fiji scrummie was better.
Arg / Scotland was a dull affair after the great afternoon game.
I really hope France can klap the Poms.
8 Oct 2007, 13:33 pm
Nivea glide dude vs Dan Carter…
Dawn chooses Nivea dude. Why?
Cause Carter is a Loooooooooserrrrrrrrrr….
8 Oct 2007, 13:33 pm
Dawn, who is the Charade girls?
8 Oct 2007, 13:33 pm
Guys please be attentive.
You have to be REALLY FAST to click on the Charade girls link.
It disappears in an instant to be replaced by BMT Training, or (God forbid) THE ECONOMIST.
8 Oct 2007, 13:34 pm
Well Well Well!
Skew line outs,
high tackles
fouls in the scrums and general play etc.
yeah! i guess they were great!
8 Oct 2007, 13:36 pm
Davaro … no man I just feel so bad for Dan.
Besides … I am surveying all around so I can make an educated choice!
Tinus .. see link that flashes VERY QUICKLY across top of page.
8 Oct 2007, 13:37 pm
About 7000 New Zealand fans of to France…Watch out Mr Barnes,they are coming for you……Eish!!
8 Oct 2007, 13:37 pm
Tinus – sometimes Dawn get’s some baaad (Shizzle) in her Transkei Green. Makes her talk a bit of K*K
8 Oct 2007, 13:37 pm
Dawn, I am confused.
Is it the girls or the dudes that are slowing things down? And do you like girls too?
and I cannot see any girls, where are they?
8 Oct 2007, 13:41 pm
RedLion
Dunno what’s slowing things down, but I’m sure it’s that Charades link.
(Don’t blink or you’ll miss it).
And I like boys, thank you please.
8 Oct 2007, 13:46 pm
Davaro I’m serious! There’s a stripper Charades link that appears on the website now and again!
8 Oct 2007, 13:53 pm
I believe the Boks have a lot more to offer and were pacing themsleves. The only problem with this is that fatigue is not allowing them to play to their damaging best like they did against England.
My humble advice to jake would be to give the guys a rest this week!! They need to be fresh for the argies and france!!
8 Oct 2007, 14:07 pm
Howzit Dawn.
How’s Daniel doing after the bitter disappointment?
Did you press him to your bosom and soothe him with a gentle voice?
There, there, Daniel. There, there.
8 Oct 2007, 14:10 pm
Oh my goodness gracious.
Stoppit.
8 Oct 2007, 14:22 pm
8 Oct 2007, 14:24 pm
#206 Can someone please tell me why Ali Williams was not cited for his knee into Betson’s head??
Maybe because it was not his knee but Robinson’s fist that laid Betson out,i think. Go check it out on youtube.
8 Oct 2007, 14:38 pm
Site is gone quiet.
All bloggers staring at the homepage waiting for the Charades girls to pop up.
8 Oct 2007, 15:05 pm
What’s the difference bewteen Graham Henry and Viagra?
At least with Viagra you get a semi.
8 Oct 2007, 16:18 pm
I hears someone saying that When the boks put on the incredible hulk outfits for the TV ad, Schalk Burger commented “Now we look like pierre Spies”
8 Oct 2007, 17:27 pm
What a great week end fella’s. Wobblies/NZ going home now we can settle down and watch some good rugby without the wingeing..
Auusies will never make it as champs again they don’t have the forward power. (unless they go to SA and steal some big men and promise them the Aussie dream mate!! free sheila’s they look great after 6 VB’s nmate and a Holden.. yeah mate..
Quote: “Scrums don’t matter” is all we have heard from Australia for the last 15 years; rubbish it is. they plainly can’t hack a straight, manly fight.”
8 Oct 2007, 21:36 pm
its goin to be very interesting looking at the RWC2011 pool groups. the semi-finalists automatically get seeded 1,2,3+4. lets say the boks beat france in the final
The boks wil be in pool A with 5th seeded new zealand and france will be heading group B with the aussies in the same group.
Unless the format is changed the winner of group A will play the 2nd in group B and 2nd in group A will play the group B winners. Only 2 of these 4 teams will progress to the semi finals
8 Oct 2007, 21:57 pm
Diego Maradona is on his way to Paris and it will be the anniversary of the death of Che Guevara. The Boks better be ready for a war with the Argies.
9 Oct 2007, 04:50 am
I find it rather strange that no matter how many times we don’t win the WC, we are still the team thats sets the bench mark in world rugby, wonder why??
9 Oct 2007, 05:17 am
#249 Funny thing is, you set this magical benchmark every year but, when it really matters, you simply fail to meet the benchmark you have set yourself. Pretty sad, actually.
9 Oct 2007, 05:55 am
219 Tinus,
This is just getting silly. The AB loss really was brought out the worst in many supporters on both sides.
People should really think before making over generalisations about what other countries think or do. You will find that most people on this planet are individuals. The whole fear and ultimate dislike of people you don’t really know is such a standard psychological flaw of the human condition.
You will actually find many accents in NZ (23% born outside NZ) but you will have to go to Scotland to find people being called LASS. MATE is more commonly used in Australia than NZ too. BRO would be more common in NZ (which is strangely similar to the Philippine CUYA).
There are narrow minded Kiwis but fortunately (like SA) most of these are people who have not travelled. Fortunately for NZ there is a culture around overseas travel and people are considered odd if they do not.
You will actually find many Kiwi’s who are not complaining about the referee to (to cover some other posts) and from chatting on this site for a couple of years I would think that you would find it hard to name them in the majority who do so either.
9 Oct 2007, 06:27 am
chch, Thanks for your insightful analysis of the human psyche. Tinus, what the hell were you thinking, an Aussie/Kiwi referring to someone as ‘lass’? Bliksem, man, dis in Skotland wat hul so snaaks praat.
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