In Black and White
11 Nov 2007
Jake White, in his autobiography ‘In Black and White’ confirms that Luke Watson was never wanted by the Bok players.
Watson has never been initiated as a Bok player and White holds back nothing in detailing the circumstances that forced him to select Watson for one test against Samoa.
The Rapport Newspaper and Sunday Times newspaper brought exclusivity to the extracts of the book, due for release next week, and Rapport focused mostly on the Watson affair.
Both newspapers also detailed the prominent chapters in the book with White discussing political interference, transformation, player selection, the hell of 2006, the media’s role in South African rugby, the dislike for playing at Loftus among players outside of the Bulls, his relationship with John Smit and Victor Matfield, among others, and the political minefield that dogged his four year tenure.
He insists that Watson simply was never good enough and that the Watson family tried to broker a deal with him to include Luke as a Bok and be secured a future in South African rugby.
White writes his biggest regret is not beating the All Blacks in New Zealand and that would have been his greatest motivation to continue as Bok coach.
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11 Nov 2007, 15:33 pm
Pietman
No, I speak under correction, but I think the Council has like 20 members, 14 of which are the presidents of the 14 unions. Not sure how the other 6 or so are elected – but Cheeky is obviously one of those. They say he was only “co-opted” temporarily, until February, so I don’t know what that means.
But that means he has a vote in the meantime on all the issues they vote on, I assume.
11 Nov 2007, 15:34 pm
Pietman/Tacitus: Cheeky wasa co-opted onto the PC on Thursday. It has to do with him being in charge of sorting out the EP rugby mess. He will remain co-opted until Feb, when his position will be reviewed. Pietman, Harold Verster and CO get themselves re-elected through cash offers and petty corruption. Each union has a seat, and a vote – I think the bigger unions get 2 votes???
David – give us the rundown please…
11 Nov 2007, 15:35 pm
Ruck = Jake
dis waar. Julle het dit eerste hier gehoor.
11 Nov 2007, 15:35 pm
Bagel
Maybe.
I think Cheeky is the vice over there at the moment.
Perhaps he was sent from EP union then.
11 Nov 2007, 15:36 pm
This was not about rugby talent alone, if it was uke would have been a springbok a long long time ago, this was all about personal vendettas and under handed manipulations this way and that, and the pawn in their god forsaken game happened to be a talented and leadership material young rugby player who by no immediate choice of his own was singled out as a divisive element purely as a result of his fathers previous political affiliations, it stinks to high heaven and Jake White is by far the major instigator and detractor in this instance. (along with his ya broer band of lily livered disciples)
11 Nov 2007, 15:39 pm
202# ruck
Yes, Harold Verster wouldn’t have gotten it any other way. He is from the old BBB school (Broeder Bribery Bond).
I was just wondering about what people do at this ‘PC’.
But I have an idea now, thanks to you guys.
But if the PC is the real boss, what does SARU do then?
11 Nov 2007, 15:40 pm
Luke is a woesie and is far too lightweight for any serious games!
11 Nov 2007, 15:40 pm
193 Out of the mouths of babes, I believe bagel is exactly 17 years old if I am correct in assuming this? Even he can see wood for trees and b!sht for what its worth.
11 Nov 2007, 15:40 pm
Sorry. Luke just ain’t good enough to be a Bok.
The following loose forwards are ahead of him in the queue.
Schalk Burger
Juan Smith
Pierre Spies
Danie Roussouw (and he isn’t even a real loose forward)
Pedrie Wannenburg
Wikus van Heerden
Baywatch (I don’t know his real name)
Hendro Scholtz
Kankowski
I’m sure I left some guys out.
I can’t put Skinstad here, because the other day, in order to bolster an argument on another thread, I said the even Luke Watson is better than Skinstad, so I’m stuck with that now. But I think its a serious toss-up between the two.
11 Nov 2007, 15:41 pm
ahh, SA rugby, never a dull moment
11 Nov 2007, 15:42 pm
EK BID DIE VOLGENDE SPELERS HAAL VLG JAAR DIE BOKSPAN:
JP Nel
Johan Roets
Liefling
Heinie Adams
P3
Jaco Engels
Derick Kuun
11 Nov 2007, 15:43 pm
205# skoppie
Luke didn’t cut it, that’s all.
We have Kabamba, Juan, Schalk, Ernst Joubert, Duane Vermeulen, Francois Louw, Lobberts, Daniels, and a host of others ahead of him.
Forget about Luke now.
Let the boy be.
11 Nov 2007, 15:43 pm
Tacitus, I think there are more than 20 idiots that vote. Which is why the Hoskins and Stofile camps are becoming PRETTY obvious to the rest of us – in the build up to the Feb election of the new President. Stofile vs Hoskins.
Well, we all know who Harry Potter “I speak like a girl” Verster supports….Not sure where WP have aligned themselves this time around – but they better back the right horse, Hoskins or I shall have to perform at Newlands…..
11 Nov 2007, 15:44 pm
So what is Watson snr going to do on the PC then?
Suggest to the others that the team has to include his son? Come-on. He’d have to be a royal twat to put forward that motion.
I don’t know the man one inch but I can recall him standing up for what he thought was right. Can admire a dude for that alone. To be invited onto the PC, he cannot be a dimwit, like the Border president, and invoke blatent prejudices(in son’s favor). Surely?
11 Nov 2007, 15:44 pm
Twhaneerder.
Stadig nou. Jy wil nie die mense op hierdie blog laat verstik nie. Ons hou sulke gedagtes maar eers vir onsself totdat Heyneke formeel as coach aangewys word.
11 Nov 2007, 15:44 pm
Luke Watson would walk into any other international team (incl the ABs at 6). Not sure I would say the same about Roussouw and Wannenburg.
11 Nov 2007, 15:44 pm
Waar is die Blou Bul Rassiste nou?
Kom uit, ek sal julle nou uitsort!!!!!!!!!
11 Nov 2007, 15:45 pm
ruck
Keep Hoskins.
He is ok.
11 Nov 2007, 15:45 pm
Big Hit
You’re delusional.
11 Nov 2007, 15:45 pm
*on form, that is. But the SA backrow of Burger, Smith who play his positions is impenetratable.
11 Nov 2007, 15:45 pm
Big Hit
That sounds a bit better.
11 Nov 2007, 15:47 pm
Verster and Markgraaf and Watson and Stofile all representative on the same PC board, now who wants to stipulate this thing is leftist or right, from what I can see they are from opposite sides of the political spectrum, so how come all of them can’t stomach this white mans credentials, surely therein lies the answer to your riddle, they either all got to be no good or else he is down right a perfect saint, so which is it, white is the hard done by pure innocent, or the rest of them are unsavory bigoted no good rubbish political moguls, he is just as much a party to the snake infested pit as the rest, no more no less.
11 Nov 2007, 15:47 pm
Big Hit
Luke can only walk into their change rooms when they are not playing! Hes not gonna do any more walking anywhere!
11 Nov 2007, 15:48 pm
He’s good enough to get a shout in most Int teams IMO. Its not his quality in question. I venture it might be his ability to fit into a team. Hope he gets given a chance to adjust though. He’s mighty bloody good from where I sit in the stands.
11 Nov 2007, 15:49 pm
The loose forwards in the 2008 Bok matchday squad of 22 will be:
Pierre Spies
Juan Smith
Schalk Burger
Bench:
Roussouw
Van Heerden
Where is Luke going to fit into that group? He just ain’t good enough.
11 Nov 2007, 15:50 pm
#211 tshwaneerder
You must be taking the piss? Those players are a joke and I hope your post was a joke.
11 Nov 2007, 15:52 pm
Waar is Ruck?
Ek het vir haar nuus oor haar geliefde Province.
Rassie het teenoor sekere ex-Bul erken hy het die fout van sy loopbaan gemaak om Kaap toe te gaan. As dit nie die coloured gangster element in die vorm van Bolla is wat hom grief nie dan is dit die manne “Luke & Schalk Britz” wat nie wil luister nie.
Watch this space doll, Rassie gaan waai!
11 Nov 2007, 15:52 pm
Hello AB
Gannit swaer?
Waar is jy Maandag 4 Feb, want ek is daar in ‘Snordorp’ dan?
Kan jy by die Dros in Moreletta wees montlik?
11 Nov 2007, 15:53 pm
Tswaneerder.
In daardie geval, sal ons dalk vir Rassie as Heyneke se opvolger by die Bulle sien?
Dis al high profile coaching opening wat op die oomblik bestaan.
11 Nov 2007, 15:53 pm
#226
Players who won the Super 14 a joke, Are you Jake White/Ian Mac/Peter Jooste?
11 Nov 2007, 15:54 pm
howzit skop
can’t resist a stab at Mr W hey?
He’s gonna haunt you til the point you’re pushing up them daisies fella.
White not entirely blameless. Agreed. But in the same league as the carrots on the PC. I don’t think so. Markies is the standout for me. I’d sooner see him run over by a tractor for all the good he does our beloved sport.
11 Nov 2007, 15:54 pm
tswhaneerder
Sal my nie verbaas nie. Rassie was te haastig vir die Kaap.
Dinge is kuk daar op die oomblik, ek se jou.
11 Nov 2007, 15:55 pm
#230 No I’m not, but I have half a brain and no horns up my arse.
JP…give me a break.
11 Nov 2007, 15:55 pm
Tac, how about injuries boy?
You saying those 5 are going to stay upright the entire ’08 season?
11 Nov 2007, 15:55 pm
226# Clanerk
Hy terg man!
11 Nov 2007, 15:56 pm
TSWANEERDER? Had some of Cape Town’s finest TIK son?? Even Heyneke is not that “verkramp”. What crackhouse up north you sitting in son??
Let Meyer put that lot in the Bok team (Roets outta retirement…) – and he will have the shortest coaching tenure in SA Rugby history – end of. Which sort of suits the rest of us……
I agree Tassies, At least Cheeky Watson has always stood up for what he believed was right – For that he HAS to be given credit.
11 Nov 2007, 15:57 pm
Ek is elke Sondag by daai Dros vir brekvis na kerk! So natuurlik kan en sal ek dit maak Pietman!
11 Nov 2007, 15:57 pm
No Pietman, die koeel is nou deur die kerk ja ek waardeur en besef dit is nou so, but unrightly so and unjustly so, the unfair poor management and disparagement of an individual has been allowed to go uncorrected in the false notion that he was ‘not good enough’, by whose standards, yours or Jakes or John Smits?
We have a fountain of talented loose forwards here but to accept Tyibalika or Floors or Wannenburg or Roussouw or Spies or Scholtz were better no.6 or no.7 candidates back in the time when these same players were being handed rugby lessons by Australia and NZ, and when it was pretty obvious that this Watson boy was at least as good if not better than some of the incumbent favorites of the time then, is just as blindly bigoted as the national coach who would not admit to his own failures.
11 Nov 2007, 15:57 pm
231# Tassies
Pasop nou, vir Markgraaf.
Ek vertrou daai ou sover as ek hom kan sien.
11 Nov 2007, 15:57 pm
Is jy seker Pietman? If so, egg on my face and good joke tshwaneerder.
Anyways…cheers boys and ruck, got to get the Christmas shopping done.
11 Nov 2007, 15:59 pm
237# AB
Ek en Pampoen sal jou en vroutjie daar sien, dis n Maandag ongelukkig.
Maar ons mail nader na die tyd.
11 Nov 2007, 15:59 pm
Pietman
100%
11 Nov 2007, 15:59 pm
Thwaneerder
Hoe seker is jy oor die Rassie storie?
11 Nov 2007, 16:01 pm
#240 – He aint’ joking…..
Tassies, A tractor to end Markgraaf – rather a bus Tassies, (to make sure the job is done properly) AND then I would still open the coffin to make sure he really is gone for good…..
Evil piece of quilt that one….
11 Nov 2007, 16:02 pm
Ruck
Ons bust gereeld hier ouens met dwelms op ons lughawens. Julle aan die annerkant kan nie, julle kan nie ‘n vliegtuig eers laat opstyg nie, julle kan nie eers die dwelms en gangsters (Bolla, Luke) VASVAT nie. Julle kan nie die Currie Cup wen nie en toe julle destyds ‘n kans gehad het om die Super 14 te wen, toe doen julle wat Cosatu doen: STRIKE.
Dis al wat julle kan doen:
STRIKE.
11 Nov 2007, 16:02 pm
i agree that jake was treated badly and i think he did a fantastic job as coach but it does not make sense when he tells us that he did not have time to re-apply for the coaching job due to post world cup commitments if he managed to find the time to complete his book (his book includes the RWC success)
11 Nov 2007, 16:04 pm
TACTICUS
100 % seker, want ek werk waar meeste Blou Bulle en hul skeidsregters gewerk het of nog werk.
11 Nov 2007, 16:05 pm
obviously Clanerk
11 Nov 2007, 16:05 pm
I knew it the moment I heard it Rassie is going to see his arse here at WP, he hasn’t got the balls to handle and take on this kind of job, he’s still way too wet behind the ears.
11 Nov 2007, 16:05 pm
245# Swannie
Hey, hey, watchit, ek is WP!
En my span is volgende jaar terug, onthou nou.
En Nic Koster gaan die kuk uit julle mannetjies hol, ek vertel jou!
Weet jy van wie ek praat?
Pasop ou maat.
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