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		<title>By: modawg</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-734169</link>
		<dc:creator>modawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

I&#039;m looking forward to the 3N tests, it&#039;s gonna be mud &#039;n blood &#039;n guts and hopefully glory.

Even Oz are going to be a whole lotta fun with Deans at the reins.

A mouth watering prospect . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the 3N tests, it&#8217;s gonna be mud &#8216;n blood &#8216;n guts and hopefully glory.</p>
<p>Even Oz are going to be a whole lotta fun with Deans at the reins.</p>
<p>A mouth watering prospect . .</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-734128</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modwag,

Who said the AB&#039;s were so brilliant...I didn&#039;t 
But you can bask in the RWC Glory until such time as you play further tests this season, when hopefully all the contestants come in on an even keel again,

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modwag,</p>
<p>Who said the AB&#8217;s were so brilliant&#8230;I didn&#8217;t<br />
But you can bask in the RWC Glory until such time as you play further tests this season, when hopefully all the contestants come in on an even keel again,</p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: modawg</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-734087</link>
		<dc:creator>modawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick x 2,

I&#039;m not getting carried away with the WC win, but the fact is, we won.

Actually they beat the boks 2-0 in the 2007 3N, didn&#039;t they?

Then that begs the question, if they were so friggin brilliant, why didn&#039;t they beat France in the QF, and the &quot;slomo poms&quot; beat France?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick x 2,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not getting carried away with the WC win, but the fact is, we won.</p>
<p>Actually they beat the boks 2-0 in the 2007 3N, didn&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Then that begs the question, if they were so friggin brilliant, why didn&#8217;t they beat France in the QF, and the &#8220;slomo poms&#8221; beat France?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733908</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modwag,

Sheridan has never been a problem for the AB&#039;s front row.....he has always come off second best, in fact on a couple of occasions he&#039;s been replaced, because he couldn&#039;t cut the mustard against the AB&#039;s from rowers.

The rush defense was Jake&#039;s masterstroke and all NZers will remember the first time we encountered it. It was at Newlands and the Boks got 13 points up in 13 minutes, due entirely to the rush defence. NZ is excellent at playing rugby in the normal style....all it needs to beat NZ is to introduce something they&#039;ve never seen before, and in come the CHOKES !

I don&#039;t think you should get carried away with your RWC win......you didn&#039;t play NZ, and they beat you 2 out of 3 in the Tri-Nations, even though they were only half-fit, and did not have enough matchplay up their sleeves. You&#039;ve got a big shock coming if you think you&#039;re got the AB&#039;s measure on the basis of beating the slomo Poms,

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modwag,</p>
<p>Sheridan has never been a problem for the AB&#8217;s front row&#8230;..he has always come off second best, in fact on a couple of occasions he&#8217;s been replaced, because he couldn&#8217;t cut the mustard against the AB&#8217;s from rowers.</p>
<p>The rush defense was Jake&#8217;s masterstroke and all NZers will remember the first time we encountered it. It was at Newlands and the Boks got 13 points up in 13 minutes, due entirely to the rush defence. NZ is excellent at playing rugby in the normal style&#8230;.all it needs to beat NZ is to introduce something they&#8217;ve never seen before, and in come the CHOKES !</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should get carried away with your RWC win&#8230;&#8230;you didn&#8217;t play NZ, and they beat you 2 out of 3 in the Tri-Nations, even though they were only half-fit, and did not have enough matchplay up their sleeves. You&#8217;ve got a big shock coming if you think you&#8217;re got the AB&#8217;s measure on the basis of beating the slomo Poms,</p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733900</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modwag,

Since when has a rolling maul been described as a set piece. The rolling maul has never been more than just a ground winner. One side puts the ball in, and it is impossible to get at the ball, so it becomes a permanent fixture at the back of the maul, until such time as the maul collapses, or is dropped in some other way, or occasionally a try is scored from it. 

I&#039;m quite sure there will be more thought given to negate the rolling maul, so look forward to a change in a couple of years time. I understand the forwards enjoy the rolling maul even though not many tries have been scored from them,

There was a new rule suggested to allow the maul to be collapsed, thus making it an even contest, but when the chips got down it was decided that collapsing was too dangerous, and we&#039;re back with the rolling maul, just the same as it was last year. 

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modwag,</p>
<p>Since when has a rolling maul been described as a set piece. The rolling maul has never been more than just a ground winner. One side puts the ball in, and it is impossible to get at the ball, so it becomes a permanent fixture at the back of the maul, until such time as the maul collapses, or is dropped in some other way, or occasionally a try is scored from it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite sure there will be more thought given to negate the rolling maul, so look forward to a change in a couple of years time. I understand the forwards enjoy the rolling maul even though not many tries have been scored from them,</p>
<p>There was a new rule suggested to allow the maul to be collapsed, thus making it an even contest, but when the chips got down it was decided that collapsing was too dangerous, and we&#8217;re back with the rolling maul, just the same as it was last year. </p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733894</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modawg,

You&#039;re a bit confused on scrum dominance. By dominance I mean one scrum dominating the other, not both sides scrummaging all afternoon whilst the backs look on. If there has been any scrum dominance in the last 3 years it has to be the AB&#039;s. Their from row cleaned out everything put in front of it. 

Set scrum results are determined 99.9% of the time by the team putting the ball in. Loose ball dominance has been NZ&#039;s for about 5 years simply because they have been fitter than other teams, amd they have been more mobile this gaining dominance at breakdowns. I repeat, there is no set-piece scrum dominance anymore because the contest is always decided by who has the ball to put in.....very occasionally a mistake is made which has allowed the odd scrum to backfire.

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modawg,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a bit confused on scrum dominance. By dominance I mean one scrum dominating the other, not both sides scrummaging all afternoon whilst the backs look on. If there has been any scrum dominance in the last 3 years it has to be the AB&#8217;s. Their from row cleaned out everything put in front of it. </p>
<p>Set scrum results are determined 99.9% of the time by the team putting the ball in. Loose ball dominance has been NZ&#8217;s for about 5 years simply because they have been fitter than other teams, amd they have been more mobile this gaining dominance at breakdowns. I repeat, there is no set-piece scrum dominance anymore because the contest is always decided by who has the ball to put in&#8230;..very occasionally a mistake is made which has allowed the odd scrum to backfire.</p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733866</link>
		<dc:creator>greatest13gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricardo Loubser ?

NO, anyone but him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricardo Loubser ?</p>
<p>NO, anyone but him.</p>
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		<title>By: modawg</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733841</link>
		<dc:creator>modawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#115, Patrick x 2 . . . 

Both the Sharks and Bulls packs were very strong in the rolling maul area in last year&#039;s S14, and the Boks rush defence has been a thorn in the side of most teams under Jake, do you dispute this?

#117, You obviously didn&#039;t watch the WC semi between OZ and England (were you still in mourning after the quarter finals?), do you think that there might have been a slight amount of scrum dominance in that game? Just asking . . .

#119 Add Sheridan to that list, he was pretty destructive in the WC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#115, Patrick x 2 . . . </p>
<p>Both the Sharks and Bulls packs were very strong in the rolling maul area in last year&#8217;s S14, and the Boks rush defence has been a thorn in the side of most teams under Jake, do you dispute this?</p>
<p>#117, You obviously didn&#8217;t watch the WC semi between OZ and England (were you still in mourning after the quarter finals?), do you think that there might have been a slight amount of scrum dominance in that game? Just asking . . .</p>
<p>#119 Add Sheridan to that list, he was pretty destructive in the WC.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733840</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the players weren&#039;t 100% happy but that is reading between the lines so Bulls did a deal with him. Ricardo Loubser tipped to take over</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the players weren&#8217;t 100% happy but that is reading between the lines so Bulls did a deal with him. Ricardo Loubser tipped to take over</p>
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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733839</link>
		<dc:creator>greatest13gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#120 WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#120 WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733838</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that the backlin coach from the Bulls has left already. Citing differences ... players expected one thing and received another, so cheers!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the backlin coach from the Bulls has left already. Citing differences &#8230; players expected one thing and received another, so cheers!!!</p>
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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733837</link>
		<dc:creator>greatest13gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#117

Patrick, did you watch Heinkie vd Merwe? Woodcock? Hayman? last year?

No Scrum dominence?..yeah, I do know where you are coming come, But that statement does not hold water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#117</p>
<p>Patrick, did you watch Heinkie vd Merwe? Woodcock? Hayman? last year?</p>
<p>No Scrum dominence?..yeah, I do know where you are coming come, But that statement does not hold water.</p>
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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733835</link>
		<dc:creator>greatest13gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#115 valid point Patrick

would be interesting to see how strong the kiwi scrums are this year without Hayman there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#115 valid point Patrick</p>
<p>would be interesting to see how strong the kiwi scrums are this year without Hayman there.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733834</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk about set scrum dominance is pure hogwash. There is ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUM DOMINANCE any more, as the team that puts the ball in (99.99% of the time) gets the ball back because the Reffs allow the ball to be put under the scrummies feet......no contest at all !

Forward dominance now has been transferred to control at the breakdown stage, and the team that gets the most players to the breakdown first, invariably gets the loose ball.....again this is partly stifled because the Reffs still players allow players flopping over, thus killing the loose ball,

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about set scrum dominance is pure hogwash. There is ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUM DOMINANCE any more, as the team that puts the ball in (99.99% of the time) gets the ball back because the Reffs allow the ball to be put under the scrummies feet&#8230;&#8230;no contest at all !</p>
<p>Forward dominance now has been transferred to control at the breakdown stage, and the team that gets the most players to the breakdown first, invariably gets the loose ball&#8230;..again this is partly stifled because the Reffs still players allow players flopping over, thus killing the loose ball,</p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733833</link>
		<dc:creator>greatest13gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BEST COMMENT BY A FOREIGN PLAYER PLAYING IN THE NH

&quot;But that&#039;s why they brought us here and why they pay us the money they do. We are signed to do our job and if we don&#039;t, they should send us home.&quot;

- PAUL TITO, ex Taranki lock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BEST COMMENT BY A FOREIGN PLAYER PLAYING IN THE NH</p>
<p>&#8220;But that&#8217;s why they brought us here and why they pay us the money they do. We are signed to do our job and if we don&#8217;t, they should send us home.&#8221;</p>
<p>- PAUL TITO, ex Taranki lock.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modawg,

You&#039;re a bit up yourself if you think the new rules were devised to counter-act the SA game. How long has it been since the SA game dominated rugby.......this RWC blip aside.....one helluva long time. You keep on about your Bok pack, but the AB&#039;s in recent years have done yours like a dinner, but your lineout has been a power of strength. The new rules are designed to improve rugby for the spectaors and are nothing at all designed to curb any perceived SA strength in the game,

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modawg,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a bit up yourself if you think the new rules were devised to counter-act the SA game. How long has it been since the SA game dominated rugby&#8230;&#8230;.this RWC blip aside&#8230;..one helluva long time. You keep on about your Bok pack, but the AB&#8217;s in recent years have done yours like a dinner, but your lineout has been a power of strength. The new rules are designed to improve rugby for the spectaors and are nothing at all designed to curb any perceived SA strength in the game,</p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733820</link>
		<dc:creator>greatest13gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110 thanks Agent Mulder :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#110 thanks Agent Mulder <img src='http://www.keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733818</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perasonally I can&#039;t see that there will be any change in the actual set-scrums. The law states that the backlines have to be 5 metres behind the last feet therefore if the scrum moves, so does the 5 metre line. The Sideline Refs are required to move as the scrum moves north or south.

Rucking is still allowed....but most modern day players have no idea what rucking is because they have it totally confuse with stomping. To ruck a rugby ball means you have to have your body in front of the ball, not on top of it. Rucking is a backwards movement, not an up and down movement.

And hands are not allowed in the ruck, that particular law was left out. The breakdown rule will not change from last year because the reffs continue to allow players to flop over the ball on the ground, just as they allow the ball to be placed under the hookers feet, or behing them if possible. The Reffs are still the greatest blight on our game.

Patrick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perasonally I can&#8217;t see that there will be any change in the actual set-scrums. The law states that the backlines have to be 5 metres behind the last feet therefore if the scrum moves, so does the 5 metre line. The Sideline Refs are required to move as the scrum moves north or south.</p>
<p>Rucking is still allowed&#8230;.but most modern day players have no idea what rucking is because they have it totally confuse with stomping. To ruck a rugby ball means you have to have your body in front of the ball, not on top of it. Rucking is a backwards movement, not an up and down movement.</p>
<p>And hands are not allowed in the ruck, that particular law was left out. The breakdown rule will not change from last year because the reffs continue to allow players to flop over the ball on the ground, just as they allow the ball to be placed under the hookers feet, or behing them if possible. The Reffs are still the greatest blight on our game.</p>
<p>Patrick.</p>
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		<title>By: voshd</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733817</link>
		<dc:creator>voshd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flyhalves will have less responsibility on defence.  The confrontational &#039;Honibal type&#039; that White so eulogised will become less prevalent.  I say this because it would appear the rule encourages ball movement to go wider from scrums.

Rucks/mauls and lineouts don&#039;t change though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flyhalves will have less responsibility on defence.  The confrontational &#8216;Honibal type&#8217; that White so eulogised will become less prevalent.  I say this because it would appear the rule encourages ball movement to go wider from scrums.</p>
<p>Rucks/mauls and lineouts don&#8217;t change though.</p>
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		<title>By: hangbal</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/01/22/elvs-to-favour-sa-scrums/#comment-733815</link>
		<dc:creator>hangbal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ek sien julle donners is maar stil vanaand...

Dan loop ek maar weer!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ek sien julle donners is maar stil vanaand&#8230;</p>
<p>Dan loop ek maar weer!!!</p>
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