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		<title>By: ET</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/08/12/boks-call-up-big-guns/#comment-962347</link>
		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962274&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;728 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: 

&quot; I have nothing.......as you are the one who starts the personal attack everytime. I simply respond.&quot;

 YOUR  words, BOLD but totally DISHONEST when judged against my post #665 and your responding post #671(snide, insulting).

Talk on, just DO SO. But my case is CLOSED with YOUR DISHONEST WORDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-962274" rel="nofollow">728 tight head</a>: </p>
<p>&#8221; I have nothing&#8230;&#8230;.as you are the one who starts the personal attack everytime. I simply respond.&#8221;</p>
<p> YOUR  words, BOLD but totally DISHONEST when judged against my post #665 and your responding post #671(snide, insulting).</p>
<p>Talk on, just DO SO. But my case is CLOSED with YOUR DISHONEST WORDS.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962274&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;728 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: 

Your own words everytime you posts especially during buddy-time hangs you time after time.

I challenged you 3 weeks ago and again yesterday to be honest and to admit your being catergorical wrt to some rugby things and you dish out the same medicine that you cannot handle( your post 671), snide and seemingly sarcastic remarks. The ball is in your court now as you need to challenge the facts or admit being incorrect when it suits you, if you do not wish to come across as being ridiculous.
But if you wish just speak on and on and on.
DONE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-962274" rel="nofollow">728 tight head</a>: </p>
<p>Your own words everytime you posts especially during buddy-time hangs you time after time.</p>
<p>I challenged you 3 weeks ago and again yesterday to be honest and to admit your being catergorical wrt to some rugby things and you dish out the same medicine that you cannot handle( your post 671), snide and seemingly sarcastic remarks. The ball is in your court now as you need to challenge the facts or admit being incorrect when it suits you, if you do not wish to come across as being ridiculous.<br />
But if you wish just speak on and on and on.<br />
DONE</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962220&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;725 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: 

Egg, just egg and I really like egg (especially omelette) but not RAW and not on tha FACE. And that is what this eventually all is: EGG on YOUR FACE.

Stick to the tighthead technicalities, it is, as said previously, sometimes informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-962220" rel="nofollow">725 tight head</a>: </p>
<p>Egg, just egg and I really like egg (especially omelette) but not RAW and not on tha FACE. And that is what this eventually all is: EGG on YOUR FACE.</p>
<p>Stick to the tighthead technicalities, it is, as said previously, sometimes informative.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962244&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;726 ET&lt;/a&gt;: 
Read my post 722 carefully.
I challenge you, or any of your friends here to dispute what I have said.
You are guilty of the very thing you accuse me of.
Stereotyping and accusing me of taking up positions on issues that I have never discussed.
I have shown far more civilty to you in this affair, than you to me.
Go back and read the personal assumptions you have made about me.
All based on thin air and not backed up by fact as you like to point out.
Your posts are full of personal and emotional accusation and assumption.
Nothing concrete to debate about rugby.
I stand by my post 676 which is a rugby post and not an attack on any player.
The rugby facts in that post cannot be denied.
Perhaps that is why you reverted to personal attack.
Yes, that is right you fired the first shot, and don&#039;t seem to like it when I fire back.
I will defend your right to be heard, even though I do not value your opinion.
I have nothing to discuss with you about rugby, as you are the one who starts the personal attack every time.
I simply respond.
Something that I shall no longer bother to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-962244" rel="nofollow">726 ET</a>:<br />
Read my post 722 carefully.<br />
I challenge you, or any of your friends here to dispute what I have said.<br />
You are guilty of the very thing you accuse me of.<br />
Stereotyping and accusing me of taking up positions on issues that I have never discussed.<br />
I have shown far more civilty to you in this affair, than you to me.<br />
Go back and read the personal assumptions you have made about me.<br />
All based on thin air and not backed up by fact as you like to point out.<br />
Your posts are full of personal and emotional accusation and assumption.<br />
Nothing concrete to debate about rugby.<br />
I stand by my post 676 which is a rugby post and not an attack on any player.<br />
The rugby facts in that post cannot be denied.<br />
Perhaps that is why you reverted to personal attack.<br />
Yes, that is right you fired the first shot, and don&#8217;t seem to like it when I fire back.<br />
I will defend your right to be heard, even though I do not value your opinion.<br />
I have nothing to discuss with you about rugby, as you are the one who starts the personal attack every time.<br />
I simply respond.<br />
Something that I shall no longer bother to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961601&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;722 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: 

Post #672 is a powder puff, harmless, civil response with no lies or words put inany mouth as you so claim. My this shows you have to be extremely sensitve as all that is being done is a smart turning of the tables here. You are merely being administered your own medicine, but with civility and with smartness and you cannot respond to it and less even handle it.

Talk on please do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961601" rel="nofollow">722 tight head</a>: </p>
<p>Post #672 is a powder puff, harmless, civil response with no lies or words put inany mouth as you so claim. My this shows you have to be extremely sensitve as all that is being done is a smart turning of the tables here. You are merely being administered your own medicine, but with civility and with smartness and you cannot respond to it and less even handle it.</p>
<p>Talk on please do.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961547&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;721 Robzim&lt;/a&gt;: 

That is exactly the point I made today, mostly, and also more than 3 weeks ago when I put Watson&#039;s 20 mins. at Carisbrook into total perspective. His response that day, a few posts later, was sublimely categorical and even when I civilly challenged him to admit it was totally false wrt to that post that day. 

Yesterday we had a similar situation. My post #665 is purely on the merits or lack thereof, in my estimation, in certain positions which agin I think devalues the Boks effort this Saturday. His response in post# 671 is a snide, sarcastic effort as if the rugby deity has spoken.
It is time for him to realise ther are many grey areas in all of life.
On a more pleasant note what is your take on this starting XV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961547" rel="nofollow">721 Robzim</a>: </p>
<p>That is exactly the point I made today, mostly, and also more than 3 weeks ago when I put Watson&#8217;s 20 mins. at Carisbrook into total perspective. His response that day, a few posts later, was sublimely categorical and even when I civilly challenged him to admit it was totally false wrt to that post that day. </p>
<p>Yesterday we had a similar situation. My post #665 is purely on the merits or lack thereof, in my estimation, in certain positions which agin I think devalues the Boks effort this Saturday. His response in post# 671 is a snide, sarcastic effort as if the rugby deity has spoken.<br />
It is time for him to realise ther are many grey areas in all of life.<br />
On a more pleasant note what is your take on this starting XV?</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-962212&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;724 ET&lt;/a&gt;: 
Go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-962212" rel="nofollow">724 ET</a>:<br />
Go home.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961354&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;720 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: 

The more you talk the more you ridicule yourself and no one does a hatchet job on you better than yourself. Case in point, look at your response to the Keo comment, as I jokingly predicted you go over the top. I do not even think Keo was being serious and was just having some fun more  than anything else, but then again your warped reaction.It is purely that ego, believe me there is no rugby deity anywhere on this planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961354" rel="nofollow">720 tight head</a>: </p>
<p>The more you talk the more you ridicule yourself and no one does a hatchet job on you better than yourself. Case in point, look at your response to the Keo comment, as I jokingly predicted you go over the top. I do not even think Keo was being serious and was just having some fun more  than anything else, but then again your warped reaction.It is purely that ego, believe me there is no rugby deity anywhere on this planet.</p>
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		<title>By: ansie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ansie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-960744&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;474 katman&lt;/a&gt;: If the best you can do when you read something you don&#039;t like is to want to shut me up, then I say to you go get loved.

Typical dom donder ignorant, verkrampte South African attitude......&quot;if you don&#039;t agree with me then you must be wrong&quot;.......&quot;ag kak man&quot;.

Thick, arrogant, small minded South African.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-960744" rel="nofollow">474 katman</a>: If the best you can do when you read something you don&#8217;t like is to want to shut me up, then I say to you go get loved.</p>
<p>Typical dom donder ignorant, verkrampte South African attitude&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;if you don&#8217;t agree with me then you must be wrong&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;ag kak man&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thick, arrogant, small minded South African.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961547&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;721 Robzim&lt;/a&gt;: 
I challenge you to go back to my post 671.
Then read his post 672, where he started the personal attack.
Then I challenge you to dispute the facts of my post 676 from a rugby point of view.
I did not bring up the subject of Watson, he did.
I responded and clearly stated that our players (plural) could not be judged on that second half.
Then see his personal attacks on me in his posts 686 and 691 where he mentions issues like white rights, Adi, quotas, and size.
I have mentioned none of the above issues which he convienently subscribes to me.
Then he has the cheek to ask me to stick to the facts and not to make sweeping statements.
No you guys have not stuck to the facts and are all guilty of stereotyping me.
Your friend ET has twisted my posts to suit his pre conceived idea of me as a white man living in the past to suit his arguement, and I am sorry to say that you and Keo have fallen for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961547" rel="nofollow">721 Robzim</a>:<br />
I challenge you to go back to my post 671.<br />
Then read his post 672, where he started the personal attack.<br />
Then I challenge you to dispute the facts of my post 676 from a rugby point of view.<br />
I did not bring up the subject of Watson, he did.<br />
I responded and clearly stated that our players (plural) could not be judged on that second half.<br />
Then see his personal attacks on me in his posts 686 and 691 where he mentions issues like white rights, Adi, quotas, and size.<br />
I have mentioned none of the above issues which he convienently subscribes to me.<br />
Then he has the cheek to ask me to stick to the facts and not to make sweeping statements.<br />
No you guys have not stuck to the facts and are all guilty of stereotyping me.<br />
Your friend ET has twisted my posts to suit his pre conceived idea of me as a white man living in the past to suit his arguement, and I am sorry to say that you and Keo have fallen for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961354&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;720 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: 

I just saw the skirmish between you and ET and Keo&#039;s assessment.

I agree with Keo that you came off second best. Although you know your subject, you are mostly too categorical in your approach and do not seem to realise that issues are not always either white or black but that there are grey areas as well. 

To attack Keo&#039;s rugby opinion as well because he has &quot;voted&quot; against you is not going to do your case any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961354" rel="nofollow">720 tight head</a>: </p>
<p>I just saw the skirmish between you and ET and Keo&#8217;s assessment.</p>
<p>I agree with Keo that you came off second best. Although you know your subject, you are mostly too categorical in your approach and do not seem to realise that issues are not always either white or black but that there are grey areas as well. </p>
<p>To attack Keo&#8217;s rugby opinion as well because he has &#8220;voted&#8221; against you is not going to do your case any good.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961166&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;694 Keo&lt;/a&gt;: 
You surprise me.
I have not responded to the claims of ET because he has done nothing but make claims that are false, attempt to put words into my mouth and assume he knows my position.
I can take on this arguement and rip his claims to shreds, but do not want to engage in a rugby conversation with him, as it is futile.
I have always regarded your rugby opinion to be well informed, but now have my doubts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961166" rel="nofollow">694 Keo</a>:<br />
You surprise me.<br />
I have not responded to the claims of ET because he has done nothing but make claims that are false, attempt to put words into my mouth and assume he knows my position.<br />
I can take on this arguement and rip his claims to shreds, but do not want to engage in a rugby conversation with him, as it is futile.<br />
I have always regarded your rugby opinion to be well informed, but now have my doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;717 SjamBok&lt;/a&gt;: 
#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961327&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;718 ET&lt;/a&gt;: 

Agree overall with that perception of yours in that post and it  requires brainwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961253" rel="nofollow">717 SjamBok</a>:<br />
#<a href="#comment-961327" rel="nofollow">718 ET</a>: </p>
<p>Agree overall with that perception of yours in that post and it  requires brainwork.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;717 SjamBok&lt;/a&gt;: 

How could I forget my favourite, Skinstad, who I actually mentioned in post #665? But I am sure you will accept that Bob was far more about brain than brawn and exceptionally skilful. The most skilful forward I have ever been exposed to.

Agree with you also on the importance of the mentality component. For me most sport is about 45% ability, 45% psychology/mental and the rest is the remaining 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961253" rel="nofollow">717 SjamBok</a>: </p>
<p>How could I forget my favourite, Skinstad, who I actually mentioned in post #665? But I am sure you will accept that Bob was far more about brain than brawn and exceptionally skilful. The most skilful forward I have ever been exposed to.</p>
<p>Agree with you also on the importance of the mentality component. For me most sport is about 45% ability, 45% psychology/mental and the rest is the remaining 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: SjamBok</title>
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		<dc:creator>SjamBok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961219&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;714 ET&lt;/a&gt;:  bobby Skinstad had everything. Spies could too if he had a bit of game time. 
The AB&#039;s team of the last few years (the one that has won 42 of 47 their games before the RWC)  played like this. They effortlessly  changed their plan of attack to explot the weak points at that time and for those circumstances. I am sure Richie had a hand in this.   The only team to beat them in this tuime was us, and only because we had the most bloody minded rugby players on the planet, with defence as a religion.

The point that I am trying to make is that it is not body type that counts (although it helps to be bigger), but the mentality of the players. A smaller team (within limits) can use team work and gang tackling to make up for  lack of size. But only if they are mentally right.   But a stupid team can only play one game. And a team of specialist body sizes without the right mentality can&#039;t change from their plan A.  The right team to select is one that has the physiology to go toe to toe in the tough stuff, but the ability to change to plan B if the first one is not working.  Even better, to be able to siultaneously recognise without being told that the plan must change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961219" rel="nofollow">714 ET</a>:  bobby Skinstad had everything. Spies could too if he had a bit of game time.<br />
The AB&#8217;s team of the last few years (the one that has won 42 of 47 their games before the RWC)  played like this. They effortlessly  changed their plan of attack to explot the weak points at that time and for those circumstances. I am sure Richie had a hand in this.   The only team to beat them in this tuime was us, and only because we had the most bloody minded rugby players on the planet, with defence as a religion.</p>
<p>The point that I am trying to make is that it is not body type that counts (although it helps to be bigger), but the mentality of the players. A smaller team (within limits) can use team work and gang tackling to make up for  lack of size. But only if they are mentally right.   But a stupid team can only play one game. And a team of specialist body sizes without the right mentality can&#8217;t change from their plan A.  The right team to select is one that has the physiology to go toe to toe in the tough stuff, but the ability to change to plan B if the first one is not working.  Even better, to be able to siultaneously recognise without being told that the plan must change.</p>
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		<title>By: flanka</title>
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		<dc:creator>flanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>she first went to the olympics b4 having even stepped foot out of zimbabwe, when she was a high school student in 2000, and made the semi finals for one event.  Lets give little brother zim credit where it&#039;s due, my girlfriend (shes zimbo) tells me they breed talented swimmers there much like rugga players but they never make the step up to professionalism most of the time due to lack of resources.Only went to USA for varsity scholarship which she is still on  So how can we as a nation with this much talent and def more resources than zim not muster up 1 medal???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>she first went to the olympics b4 having even stepped foot out of zimbabwe, when she was a high school student in 2000, and made the semi finals for one event.  Lets give little brother zim credit where it&#8217;s due, my girlfriend (shes zimbo) tells me they breed talented swimmers there much like rugga players but they never make the step up to professionalism most of the time due to lack of resources.Only went to USA for varsity scholarship which she is still on  So how can we as a nation with this much talent and def more resources than zim not muster up 1 medal???</p>
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		<title>By: flanka</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/08/12/boks-call-up-big-guns/#comment-961230</link>
		<dc:creator>flanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-960785&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;502 WP Till I Die&lt;/a&gt;: and raised til she finished high school boet...her fam still lives there too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-960785" rel="nofollow">502 WP Till I Die</a>: and raised til she finished high school boet&#8230;her fam still lives there too</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/08/12/boks-call-up-big-guns/#comment-961219</link>
		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961214&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;712 SjamBok&lt;/a&gt;: 

We as S.Africans have an obsessioin with size/brawn etc. and I see you mention &#039;big and fast&#039; but not skill. How many great rugby players are big and fast and skilful? A very small percentage and I cannot readily think of any/many other than say Eales and he was not really big but very skilful for his size Remember, it is textbook knowledge that the physiological male is a 70 kg individual so anyone who is 100kg. or more, is really abnormal wrt. mass. How often in your life have you heard the term &#039;big and clumsy&#039; but small and fast or small and bouncy(a low centre of gravity). You simply do not get big, fast and skilful often even  and espcially in S.A. with its not so good nutrition regimen.

The ideal team should be able to play the 9-man, 10-man, 12-man or 15-man rugby game  anytime the need demands but how often do you see that. I personally can only think about the 1974 Br. Lions and maybe that 95-96 NZ that can play to any such broad plan/s.

The ideal team would have every member complementing the other 14 all the time and how often have we or will we see that. I don&#039;t know that answer.

All of this is just some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961214" rel="nofollow">712 SjamBok</a>: </p>
<p>We as S.Africans have an obsessioin with size/brawn etc. and I see you mention &#8216;big and fast&#8217; but not skill. How many great rugby players are big and fast and skilful? A very small percentage and I cannot readily think of any/many other than say Eales and he was not really big but very skilful for his size Remember, it is textbook knowledge that the physiological male is a 70 kg individual so anyone who is 100kg. or more, is really abnormal wrt. mass. How often in your life have you heard the term &#8216;big and clumsy&#8217; but small and fast or small and bouncy(a low centre of gravity). You simply do not get big, fast and skilful often even  and espcially in S.A. with its not so good nutrition regimen.</p>
<p>The ideal team should be able to play the 9-man, 10-man, 12-man or 15-man rugby game  anytime the need demands but how often do you see that. I personally can only think about the 1974 Br. Lions and maybe that 95-96 NZ that can play to any such broad plan/s.</p>
<p>The ideal team would have every member complementing the other 14 all the time and how often have we or will we see that. I don&#8217;t know that answer.</p>
<p>All of this is just some food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: ansie</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/08/12/boks-call-up-big-guns/#comment-961217</link>
		<dc:creator>ansie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-960770&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;494 Saffa_Guy: PdV’s Boks By 5&lt;/a&gt;: You&#039;re right, I was sh-t stirring.  Adi has done much better than most people (myself included) thought he might, but that&#039;s not my point here.  What I was doing, somewhat tongue in cheek, was to draw out the apologists and appeasers and to see whether sufficient tolerance exists in our new shiny democracy to permit an unpopular viewpoint to be heard.

The fact is that of course I hope the Bokke slaughter the ABs and that Adi (and everyone else) does well.

But mostly I want to make the point that what counts for me is excellence, not skin colour.  I believe, and I&#039;ve posted it many times before, that Beast is the best prospect we&#039;ve had since Os, and that Habana is the best wing I&#039;ve ever seen.  The others mostly hold their own, but are capable of feats of brilliance at any given time.

Finally, to be brutally honest, I wouldn&#039;t bat an eyelid if the entire team was black or coloured and without a single white player, provided and only provided that they were the best we have.  I hope that this is unambiguously clear.  

I am a South African and I have always supported South Africa.  I want us to win. I want all the black and brown and white kids to have an equal opportunity, even if it means raising taxes to achieve the result.  In education, in sport, in their nutrition.  That&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-960770" rel="nofollow">494 Saffa_Guy: PdV’s Boks By 5</a>: You&#8217;re right, I was sh-t stirring.  Adi has done much better than most people (myself included) thought he might, but that&#8217;s not my point here.  What I was doing, somewhat tongue in cheek, was to draw out the apologists and appeasers and to see whether sufficient tolerance exists in our new shiny democracy to permit an unpopular viewpoint to be heard.</p>
<p>The fact is that of course I hope the Bokke slaughter the ABs and that Adi (and everyone else) does well.</p>
<p>But mostly I want to make the point that what counts for me is excellence, not skin colour.  I believe, and I&#8217;ve posted it many times before, that Beast is the best prospect we&#8217;ve had since Os, and that Habana is the best wing I&#8217;ve ever seen.  The others mostly hold their own, but are capable of feats of brilliance at any given time.</p>
<p>Finally, to be brutally honest, I wouldn&#8217;t bat an eyelid if the entire team was black or coloured and without a single white player, provided and only provided that they were the best we have.  I hope that this is unambiguously clear.  </p>
<p>I am a South African and I have always supported South Africa.  I want us to win. I want all the black and brown and white kids to have an equal opportunity, even if it means raising taxes to achieve the result.  In education, in sport, in their nutrition.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: SjamBok</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/08/12/boks-call-up-big-guns/#comment-961214</link>
		<dc:creator>SjamBok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-961204&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;709 ET&lt;/a&gt;: You made a point about reversion to &quot;dinosaur type rugby&quot; 9by using Rossouw et al).  Now, I am not a fan of Rossouw as well, make no mistake, because his lack of skills cancels his ability to be used when skills are required. And his lack of technique frankly cancels out the advantage of his size.   

I believe that a team shouls have the skills to up the ante when it matters, and the power to play that kind of game when it is required.  You can never be the best at all types of play all the time.  Perhaps you need to be teh best at conservative, defensicve rugby at the beginning of the game to allow a team like Oz to wear themselves out, and then be able to work it wide towards the end, when they are out of gas.  Itis not a cut pattern that is required, but a recognition of when to use what style, where the oppositions weak points are, and how to make the current situation work for you.    

This attitude is explained in the &quot;Book of  Five Rings&quot; by Miyamoto - the greatest swordsman that ever lived, who remained undefeated until his death at a ripe old age.  He says he does not prefer this style or that style, or this sword or that sword. He thinks that they all have a part to play at a point where they can be used to be most effective.  And whatever you have, you use in a way that can be most effective. eg If you have a short sword, force the enemy into close quarters where they can&#039;t use their long sword, or where its less effective.  So you dont use Luke for 10 man rugby. 

We have the athletes (big and fast) to play either type of game, and any mixture of these. What we need is the recognition of when one type of game will be more effective.  eg against Oz, we should have reverted to conservative, field position rugby based on set pieces when our running game plan was being out played by the Aussies.  It is stupid to do the same thing time and again and expect a different result.  Unless the mere changing of time has caused a different situation. 

Gavin Rich&#039;s latest column is quite good (although I also think he doesn&#039;t quite get what I have explained above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-961204" rel="nofollow">709 ET</a>: You made a point about reversion to &#8220;dinosaur type rugby&#8221; 9by using Rossouw et al).  Now, I am not a fan of Rossouw as well, make no mistake, because his lack of skills cancels his ability to be used when skills are required. And his lack of technique frankly cancels out the advantage of his size.   </p>
<p>I believe that a team shouls have the skills to up the ante when it matters, and the power to play that kind of game when it is required.  You can never be the best at all types of play all the time.  Perhaps you need to be teh best at conservative, defensicve rugby at the beginning of the game to allow a team like Oz to wear themselves out, and then be able to work it wide towards the end, when they are out of gas.  Itis not a cut pattern that is required, but a recognition of when to use what style, where the oppositions weak points are, and how to make the current situation work for you.    </p>
<p>This attitude is explained in the &#8220;Book of  Five Rings&#8221; by Miyamoto &#8211; the greatest swordsman that ever lived, who remained undefeated until his death at a ripe old age.  He says he does not prefer this style or that style, or this sword or that sword. He thinks that they all have a part to play at a point where they can be used to be most effective.  And whatever you have, you use in a way that can be most effective. eg If you have a short sword, force the enemy into close quarters where they can&#8217;t use their long sword, or where its less effective.  So you dont use Luke for 10 man rugby. </p>
<p>We have the athletes (big and fast) to play either type of game, and any mixture of these. What we need is the recognition of when one type of game will be more effective.  eg against Oz, we should have reverted to conservative, field position rugby based on set pieces when our running game plan was being out played by the Aussies.  It is stupid to do the same thing time and again and expect a different result.  Unless the mere changing of time has caused a different situation. </p>
<p>Gavin Rich&#8217;s latest column is quite good (although I also think he doesn&#8217;t quite get what I have explained above).</p>
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