Bok heavies ruled out
17 Nov 2008
Bismarck du Plessis and Gurthro Steenkamp have failed to recover from their respective injuries and will miss Saturday’s Test at Twickenham.
The news was confirmed on Monday by Springbok coach Peter de Villiers. Du Plessis sustained a grade two hamstring tear early in Saturday’s game against Scotland while Steenkamp limped off with a sprained ankle in the second half. Both players will head back to South Africa prompting a reworking of South Africa’s front row dynamics.
Captain John Smit will revert to hooker and at this stage it looks like Jannie du Plessis is the prime candidate for the starting tighthead position. The Sharks No 3 is already in London and looks set to leapfrog Brian Mujati who is nursing a bruised shoulder. Chiliboy Ralepelle will cover Smit off the wood, and De Villiers is confident Mujati will be ready to wrestle the Poms, if not in a starting capacity, then as an impact player from the bench.
England produced a shaky showing against the Wallabies at Twickenham, but De Villiers is adamant the home pack will provide a challenge this Saturday.
“I thought England dominated the collisions against Australia and I was not surprised to see the Aussie scrum doing so well,” said the Bok coach. “England didn’t bind well at the scrum initially, but after that, they were good.
“On the game this week, every team becomes more motivated because they want to beat the No 1.”
Fourie du Preez was a late withdrawal from last week’s match in Edinburgh, but De Villiers confirmed he is responding to treatment and will be reassessed later in the week. Du Preez has been doing some light cycling to rehabilitate his injured quad, and the Boks are hopeful that their star scrumhalf will be fit to face England.
136 Comments
17 Nov 2008, 15:23 pm
Damn
17 Nov 2008, 15:23 pm
Dragon Heavies!!!!!
17 Nov 2008, 15:23 pm
Grand Slam DRAGONS
17 Nov 2008, 15:24 pm
# pedspin: bliksem! havent had one in while..
17 Nov 2008, 15:29 pm
I really hope FdP can play this weekend
17 Nov 2008, 15:29 pm
This is not so bad. Jannie is decent back-up. But we all know the best back up would of been BJ starting with CJ on the bench to cover 1 and 3.
17 Nov 2008, 15:30 pm
Does this mean team announcement will be dalayed this week to give FdP and Mujati able time to recover.
17 Nov 2008, 15:30 pm
How is it that Jannie is already in London? Anyone know?
17 Nov 2008, 15:31 pm
when the boks have their backs to the wall is when they are at their best – i flippen hope!!!!!
17 Nov 2008, 15:31 pm
#6 iori Yagami: now thats a fact!
17 Nov 2008, 15:32 pm
I hope PDV springs some more surprises during the week….like Jaque Fourie to start on the left wing and Kankowski to start and Brussouw on the bench maybe.
17 Nov 2008, 15:32 pm
#8 Gregs: Uhm I think its called an Airplane.
17 Nov 2008, 15:33 pm
#10 grant10: Hey Grant10 how you doing buddy long time no chat. How you doing?
17 Nov 2008, 15:33 pm
Why do we have to have our backs to the wall before we can perform,if we do perform well this weekend ala the 3-nations game against Aus.
17 Nov 2008, 15:33 pm
#4 Slappes: Logged back on after lunch, red the article then realised no one had answered so responded. Will hold beack next time… sorry mate.
17 Nov 2008, 15:33 pm
#9 charo: True that.
17 Nov 2008, 15:34 pm
#12 iori Yagami: Very funny.
17 Nov 2008, 15:34 pm
#14 Gregs: Its just the South African mentality that we perform when we underdogs and when we under the most pressure.
17 Nov 2008, 15:39 pm
I am just hoping for smooth execution this weekend and accuracy in everytjing they do- kicking, passing, tackling, running, ball retention.
17 Nov 2008, 15:39 pm
#18 iori Yagami: Unacceptabe I say.
17 Nov 2008, 15:42 pm
#20 Gregs: Ja I agree but what can we do?
17 Nov 2008, 15:44 pm
#18 iori Yagami:
How is it that Mujati was ever choosen above Jannie. now it looks like Jannie may start. Sense should prevail here and the front row should be smit, chilli and beast with both mujati and jannie on the bench
17 Nov 2008, 15:45 pm
Can SOMEONE please tell me who the 10 DOSE is that voted the boks played good last weekend on the poll! WTF. Kort ‘n oordentlike PK om wakker te skrik.
17 Nov 2008, 15:47 pm
#21 iori Yagami: We should start dropping players when they don’t perform instead of sticking with players that are consistently not performing.I think that is the only way to keep players on their toes all the time.There are a few players that appear to be in a comfort zone and they know that they won’t be dropped because of past reputations.
17 Nov 2008, 15:48 pm
#11 iori Yagami: After Spies’ excellent match winning, sub 10s 100m, 5 ton benchpressing, performance!!! No way, he won the match for us!!!
And yes, i am being sarcastic!!!!
17 Nov 2008, 15:49 pm
#22 Zulushark: Uhm i think its because Mujati started every game in the S14 and Jannie only started a handful so Mujati was in a better nick than Jannie. Secondly Jannie is quite versatile and has been used on the loosehead side a few times so he is always considered as good stand by player. Whereas Mujati is a specialist tighthead.
17 Nov 2008, 15:49 pm
#25 coma:
On the bright side, spies did improve over the previous week, not much but some nevertheless
17 Nov 2008, 15:50 pm
To all the so called rugby Guru’s including Ryan: I maantain that Pieter should pick a fetcher and that our 6 and 7 are the same players, Spies has in fact done a lot more in the tight than any one cares to admit.
he should not be stuck in the mauls he should be running not Schalk.
Read the stats before you all get clever:
Meters Run Ruck/Mauls Turnovers effect.. Penalties
Spies 70 10 1 0
Juan 38 12 3 0
Schalk 63 6 0 2
Beast 7 1
Smit 6 1
Bakkies 2
Victor 6
I did not add the meters gained by the T5 players , thnis shows , that T5 was lazy , Schalk was lazy in fact he must be dropped
Play
8 Kanko\ 7 Spies 6 Brussouw
17 Nov 2008, 15:51 pm
#26 iori Yagami:
Did mujait ever play l/h for the lions ? I personally think he may be better suited to l/h. He is not quite the finished product for t/h in terms of build and leg strenght
17 Nov 2008, 15:51 pm
#25 coma: Kanko is gonna get is *** kicked. I’m TELLING you. TRUST ME. Esspecially against England, Pierre would be better choice.
17 Nov 2008, 15:52 pm
#24 Gregs: I agree 100%. But this is not the tiem to do it. This team needs to stay together until the Lions tour to give them enough gametiem together to be able to string combinations together. I think 2010 is going to be a shake up in Bok rugby with lots of form players pushing for contention. It should start in 2009 with the EOYT.
17 Nov 2008, 15:53 pm
#24 Gregs:
correct, this should have been the case awhile back and this team would have functioned properly, the single criticism one can lay at this coaches door is that he has been too afraid to rock this WC teams boat, they should have been rocked for all they are worth and a whole lot of better performances would have ensued from their armory.
17 Nov 2008, 15:54 pm
#29 Zulushark: No I dont think he played l/h for the lions. But he did play once or twice for the stormers l/h. Yes he is still young he can be converted to loosehead. But we have alot of l/h’s in the country. What we need is quality t/h. I agree Mujati is not there yet but in a few years time he will be good.
17 Nov 2008, 15:55 pm
#28 capebull: Loving your trio. Perhaps to many “I wanna be a centre”-forwards there, but okay.
Where you get those stats. PLEASE SHARE.
17 Nov 2008, 15:56 pm
#30 SexyTime: You might be right……but Kanko hasnt been given sufficient gametime in the bok jersey to prove his worth.
17 Nov 2008, 15:57 pm
#34 SexyTime:
What if we play speis on the wing instead on habana, put kanko at 8thman and…whatch the fun
17 Nov 2008, 15:57 pm
#28 capebull:
Schalk has been a hindrance to this team in more ways than is visible, if Schalk would have been dropped in the 3N and made way for real No.6 like Broussouw, we would have been away down the road already,
Spies is doing just fine, keep him focussed and positive and bolster him with support from Smith, or Deysel and Broussouw, keep Kanko for the last 15 mins when the oppo is all flaked out or for open running teams, not the heavy players currently in top flight 8′s.
17 Nov 2008, 15:57 pm
#28 capebull: Yes that is a good trio for the future.
17 Nov 2008, 15:59 pm
#37 umkonto: Brussouw needs to be given gametime so that Schalk can wake up and smell the coffee!
17 Nov 2008, 16:00 pm
point is Kanko will not do any better than Spies playing with that loosies , Juan and Schalk are the same no fetcher: People like Ryan creates perceptions without any backing;
http://www.rugbystats.com.au
17 Nov 2008, 16:00 pm
The front row needs to be Beast, Smit and Jannie.
This is a no brainer.
I am conviced he will select Beast, Smit at hooker, and he will have the dilemma of sticking to his original selection of Mujati at tight head or admitting that Jannie is a better tight head than Mujati.
He will maybe get around it by saying Mujati is injured.
17 Nov 2008, 16:02 pm
#36 Zulushark: AMEN. Drop Habana to go play Vodacom Cup. Spies almost LAPS Habana on the 400m. I’ve seen it @ practice. REALLY. What is MAGIC-MAN, Shane Williams, gonna say when Spies is running @ him from a FULL pace backline move. That my friend is NO place I wanna be.
17 Nov 2008, 16:03 pm
#40 capebull: ty
17 Nov 2008, 16:04 pm
Jaque Fourie needs to start this weekend with Habana sitting bench or Nokwe sitting bench and Habana sitting in the stands.
17 Nov 2008, 16:05 pm
Bulls have fetcher 6, and a hard 7 , with Spies free at 8
Sharkies have the same , therefor Kanko can trive as well…
No other team plays with a number 7 and 6 that does not play to the ball but off the ball…
Its crazy that you number 8 has to hit 10 rucks/mauls and T5 average is 5.25
Bulls and sharkies did well cause their T5 actually did their jobs , Gold from Povince does not know the first thing about T5
17 Nov 2008, 16:07 pm
#28
Spot on my china
You might be the first unbiased Provaance dude
Schalk nowhere. Drop him now. He need’s a wakker klap.
Spies is a loose foward not a tight forward that he is having to play.
Promise me you don’t think Cool hand should be the fetcher.Back 3
Spies/Kanko (both will battle though in the mud); Smith and Brussow
deysel makes schalk look like a girls blouse.
Let’s leave pdv , first win in NZ in how long?? Give the guy a break. A win is a win , forget wales , scotland , move on . We lost to these team under Straueli. Lets not forget how kak we once were. Do you think Tiger or Ernie get slated for triple bogeying the 18th to win by 1 ??
17 Nov 2008, 16:07 pm
Brussow must play 6. REST Schalk. That will make the beast angry and TheSchalk will return in SUPER 14 and play the BEST, bone-crunching, 50 tackles a game rugby.
Habana same thing. What do we have to lose.
I’d LOVE Brussow digging out balls in my Springbok team.
17 Nov 2008, 16:11 pm
What about Spies at wing against the Poms, Good under the high ball which they will use against . Can’t do much worse than Habana. Oke is like a prancing pony with his blinkers on
17 Nov 2008, 16:15 pm
Schalk is still one of the best rugby players in the world.
He and the rest of our loosies are suffering from poor coaching.
Schalk is not a fetcher.
Brusouw is a fetcher.
Schalk is best used in the role the Sharks gave to Deysel.
That is to run hard and straight over the advantage line, and to tackle well.
We have the loose forward mix wrong and the game description for each loosie is wrong.
It should be:
Brusouw to fetch.
Schalk to do as above.
Juan at 8 to run straight and hard and provide the link and contuinity.
This is very clear to most informed observers.
17 Nov 2008, 16:17 pm
Rugby is simple get the T5 to play under a blanket, let 7 run hard and release 8 , and 6 must be like an ostrich always with his head in the sand.
My best 6 ‘s are Baywatch, Brussouw
17 Nov 2008, 16:17 pm
#48 foxpox: lol, check you, me and Zulushark have the same fantasy. Check posts 36 and 42. I am really liking the idea. OR play Spies 8th man for 40 minutes, then @ half time bring on Kanko. And then move Spies to left wing.
17 Nov 2008, 16:18 pm
#50 capebull: Brussouw. Will shine. Like the great Wikus once did.
17 Nov 2008, 16:19 pm
#50 capebull: Very true. Its such a simple formula. Just get your tight 5 to dominate and get a decent fetcher. Then the game is half won.
17 Nov 2008, 16:20 pm
#50 capebull: Agree with those two fetchers and Wickus van Heerden when he was still in the country.
17 Nov 2008, 16:21 pm
Spies should be converted to a 7 to make space for Duanne Vermeulen or Nick Koster at 8.
17 Nov 2008, 16:21 pm
#49 tight head: Juan should have made the move to 8th man LONG TIME ago. I really liked Danie @ 8th in the world cup. Excellent for the direct approach. THE WAY RUGBY WAS MEANT TO PLAY IN SA. I watch a lot of Schoolboy rugby. South African boys are HARD. Its the way we were born. PLS Mr. Rugby Guru Tight Head. TELL this to Snor.
17 Nov 2008, 16:24 pm
#49 tight head: Tighthead are you against the idea of Juan Smith moving to lock?
17 Nov 2008, 16:24 pm
#55 iori Yagami: If SPIES plays 7 you DEFINITELY need Brussouw as a fetcher. Can work. If you were coach.
17 Nov 2008, 16:24 pm
#50 capebull:
Exactly Capebull.
Well put across.
A simple game stuffed up by coaches who complicate things.
17 Nov 2008, 16:25 pm
Deysel and Brussouw should be brought in to add some good, healthy competition in the Bok loose trio setup.
17 Nov 2008, 16:25 pm
#57 iori Yagami: Good to cover there, but to start him there is a waste.
17 Nov 2008, 16:27 pm
#58 SexyTime: Ja it wont work with Burger over there. My plan at the Stormers was 6. Luke Watson 7. Burger 8. Vermeulen.
That was before Luke’s recent antics!
Now I am worried about the loose trio of 6. Burger 7. F. Louw and 8. Vermeulen.
17 Nov 2008, 16:27 pm
#57 iori Yagami:
Very much so.
He is a world class loose forward.
If we played the loosie combination as I have suggested and gave them game time to build up their understanding and confidence nobody would beat us.
He is too good a loose forward to think about him becoming a lock.
17 Nov 2008, 16:28 pm
#61 SexyTime: Ja you probably right.
17 Nov 2008, 16:31 pm
Now if we could only get the clever journows at Keo to understand rugby as well……
17 Nov 2008, 16:32 pm
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
17 Nov 2008, 16:33 pm
Burger at the moment plays lik a 7 , with very bad handlng skills , it seems a mission for him to pass the ball.
17 Nov 2008, 16:34 pm
#49 tight head: I totally agree with your loosies, with Kanko on the bench.
17 Nov 2008, 16:34 pm
#9 charo: LOL. Thats what I said earlier. I hope so too. Just hope the FdP will play but he has to be injury free and not come in with any injury at all. Otherwise he will be out of the game for too long after. We really missed him this past weekend.
17 Nov 2008, 16:36 pm
#62 iori Yagami: Ha! And you have crazy chicken Lobberts to deal with too. Hahaha, thank you for taking him.
#64 iori Yagami: What a player. And sure, his form isn’t 100%, but better than Schalk in his own way any day. You need a little Vrystaat in the Andre Venter mould in your Springbok team.
17 Nov 2008, 16:36 pm
#49 tight head: I usually read your post because they make sense, but this time I have to disagree.
Schalk may not be a ‘fetcher’ in the mould of Brussouw or Grobler, but neither is Richie. The one season Schalk played at 7 (2006, I think) for the Stormers with Luke at 6 he was nowhere. I don’t know if was due to a lack of form, but as far as I can remember he has never had a good game at 7.
As for moving Juan to 8, I think that is an equally bad idea.
8 is a highly specialised position and unless Juan plays there for Freestate a season or two, he can’t play a test there. IMO he is not inclined to play the link role – but I will concede that he is a great runner with ball in hand (best hand-off in the game!)
I also think we are rich enough in the no 8 stakes at this stage to refrain from retreading players, no matter how good they are.
IMO the reasoning with Brussouw should be the same as it was with Luke all along – if you think he is better than Schalk, he should play. If you think they are better ‘fetchers’ and you game plan requires one, then Schalk should either be dropped totally or go back to the Stormers and become a better 8 than Kanko and co, or a better 7 than Juan/Dysel etc.
Personally, I would stick with our loose trio of Saturday and give the tight 5 a tongue lashing for not clearing the rucks (admittedly it was difficult with the ref’s interpretation) and possibly play Kanko on a dryer field. But that is just me.
Fir interest sake – how would a loose trio of Brussouw, Deysel and Vermeulen fare on test level. I wonder….
17 Nov 2008, 16:37 pm
#49 tight head: Sounds good to me too tight head. Where would you play Spies then? Spies could be a great wing. Kanko for the bench then?
17 Nov 2008, 16:37 pm
#68 Boerboel:
That’s it.
Let Kanko crack open the pace in the last 20 minutes of the game.
17 Nov 2008, 16:37 pm
#68 Boerboel: Keo, give Tight Head a job. Draw little cartoon face and add to home page. Thank you.
17 Nov 2008, 16:39 pm
#72 Puma: Read earlier POSTS. You are the 4th person suggesting that on this blog.
17 Nov 2008, 16:40 pm
#70 SexyTime: Dont worry Rassie will sort him out!! And Lobberts parents will also sort him out!! I wonder if he is going to stay with his momma! He will be a better player just watch.
17 Nov 2008, 16:40 pm
#67 capebull: He is trying to add to his skill set. Burger is known for his biff, bash an barge not his footwork or slipping of a deft pass. Not a bad accoutrement to any loose forwards repertoire.
17 Nov 2008, 16:41 pm
#70 SexyTime: Yip if we want to win the world cup again then we need a born and bred vrystater at 7!! Good day people enjoy the rest of your day!
17 Nov 2008, 16:41 pm
ANyone for tickets tp Twickenham
I have and can get some at £60-71 per ticket
Lower east around the 22m
17 Nov 2008, 16:43 pm
#76 iori Yagami: To be honost. I love the guy. VERY entertaining. Hahaha. But no Bok.
17 Nov 2008, 16:43 pm
#71 Kerneels:
Juan has experience and the skills for number 8.
As far as Schalk goes, you need to look at his assets.
They are, very hard direct runner, hard to stop and devastating tackler.
That is what he brings to a rugby game.
Perfect for the modern number 7 role.
Lastly, do not judge this based on what you saw previously at WP.
Loose forwards need to be built together and the dynamics of what was going on at WP have no bearing on what a good coach can get out of playing these 3 correctly under the correct instruction as a combination.
The combination is very important.
17 Nov 2008, 16:43 pm
#50 capebull: I would add Wikus to that list. He was my fetcher of the CC tournament – consistently good and at times outstanding in his effecting of turnovers at the tackle point.
17 Nov 2008, 16:44 pm
#75 SexyTime:
spies played wing his whole junior life until junior bok level. Only shifted to the scrum once the ral stuff started at the bulls.
I could also picture spies at inside centre with JDV on the wing….hohohoho
17 Nov 2008, 16:44 pm
Eagerly awaiting Tight Head’s response. Along with 10 other guys. =D
17 Nov 2008, 16:45 pm
Gracious dudes. Never play people out of position – one out of two of Ignatius’s pearls. This is test rugby not super 14 or provincial.
Reckon it’s good for J Smit to be at preferred position. Not good for the captain to be shifted for better payers. Think you could see that in the Wales test. Lost a bit of his sheen. Reckon he’ll play much better this weekend.
17 Nov 2008, 16:45 pm
#79 JL1: Go to the Unpacking the Poms thread and you can get some from Train…. looks like he is giving them away.
17 Nov 2008, 16:48 pm
#83 Zulushark: Know guys who played @ school with him. Devastating on the wing. Really. I once recommended this on another post but got beaten with sticks by some oldschool keo guys. Glad to see someone agreeing with me.
17 Nov 2008, 16:49 pm
#83 Zulushark: Think I prefer him in the 8 jumper. God knows how many tries he would bomb on the wing…. needs supa glue on his hand
17 Nov 2008, 16:51 pm
#83 Zulushark: Steyn inside? WOW. Does sound great. =D But Think thats pushing it. =D
17 Nov 2008, 16:51 pm
#88 RugbyRulz: School ball isn’t MAN ball. Some kids can intimidate (size) but when they get to run with the real mean their size counts for $hit….. Steyne comes to mind as well.
17 Nov 2008, 16:51 pm
#87 SexyTime:
don’t worry about the old farts. There are many on this site that would like to see spies at wing. I think he would be awesome. Got a glimpse of him chasing down the welsh winger (i think) last week after a breakout and he easily hauled him in. In fact, he is a ideal bench player cos you could use him anywhere on the field except t5
17 Nov 2008, 16:51 pm
#81 tight head: i agree that it may be a little harsh to judge SB on one season at 7 – and that under Fester! I do however not see him as either a classic 6 or 7. He has never been either.
That is my whole point, under JW he played a different role than he does now and IMO he was perfectly suited to the former. I am sorry to say that PdV’s game plan requires a more classic 6 and that is the reason why SB comes up short (no pun intended).
Moving him over to 7 may be an option, but it was not too long ago when Juan was the first name penned in when a Bok team was assembled and I’m not sure that Sb will make a better 7 than Juan…
As for Smith’s move to 8 – I still do no agree. He used to be a lock and as far as I know he has never played at 8. I do not doubt for a second that he has teh skills, it is the experience at 8 that he lacks. I also feel the time could rather be invested in Spies, Kanko, Vermeulen and Koster.
17 Nov 2008, 16:52 pm
#88 RugbyRulz: Was waiting for the “hy het pap in sy hande” post. =D
17 Nov 2008, 16:52 pm
Spies and Styne are classic examples of kids that need to adjust to real rugby.
17 Nov 2008, 16:52 pm
#88 RugbyRulz:
Cant be any worse than he is know. I wonder if he has spent any time with Sheryll Calder to improve his handeye coords
17 Nov 2008, 16:52 pm
#91 Zulushark: You don’t chuck a flank, who hasn’t played wing for a long time, into a starting position at Twickenham. That’s a terrible quick fix. You try it out at lower leagues so a choice like that doesn’t lose you a test match when he is found out positionally or under a cross kick. At worst you take a wing to centre or a lock to 8th man but not back row to wing. That is pure madness.
17 Nov 2008, 16:53 pm
#93 SexyTime: Sorry sexy I don’t do Afrikaans
please translate. 
17 Nov 2008, 16:54 pm
#77 RugbyRulz: I would like my numder 6 to make turnovers as his primary job, something , Baywatch gets done with far less spoeg en donner as Schalk
17 Nov 2008, 16:54 pm
#96 Desertfaffa: Agree with you faffa… But hey! When he is loafing (seagulling we call it) then he may as well be out there.
17 Nov 2008, 16:55 pm
#91 Zulushark: Yip, same thing happened against the Scotts. Go watch game again. He is fast. Saw him @ tuks few months ago. I rate myself as big. But he is REALLY a monster. What a talent.
17 Nov 2008, 16:55 pm
#98 capebull: I like my 7 for that… but I get your point. Our 7 is your 6
17 Nov 2008, 16:56 pm
#90 RugbyRulz:
Frans is starting to play much better rugby than he was a year ago and although he does some real STUPPEED things on the field, you always get the feeling he is under control and is prepared to give it 100%.
We could have :
15 – Frans/Conrad
14 – Speis/Brian
13 – JF/Adi
12 – JDV/steyn
11 – JPP
10 – Ruan/Butch/Grant
9 – FDP/ruan/Ricky
17 Nov 2008, 16:57 pm
Time to go folks, have fun.
17 Nov 2008, 16:57 pm
#96 Desertfaffa:
Agred, we are merely speculating with accommodating spies and kanko in the same starting 15. would have to prove himself at the S14
17 Nov 2008, 16:58 pm
#92 Kerneels: You certainly need experience to play 8th man. That was the problem with Spies a while ago and thats what makes Kanko good. If you are SURE he hasn’t played there I might rethink. But if he has had ANY game time there, I’d think about the move to #8.
17 Nov 2008, 16:58 pm
Funny that not many have got time for Botes and Deysel (or Daniel), particularly as the Sharkies dominated the CC with these players and Kanko. But in fact I think all the players mentioned are good enough with the right super coaching and understanding of how they must remain glued together in the tighter exchanges.
One of the Bok strengths is their cover defence, led by Schulk. Quite a few times in the last 2 games it looked like a Scotty or Welshman was through only to be dragged down by some desperate covering.
17 Nov 2008, 17:00 pm
Juan played 8 in 2003 WC , he has no hands behind the scrum, thats why you hardly ever see him pass. Big joke was the best in that department , but he did not like to hit rucks 10 times per game.
Intersting facts S14 final 2007
Rucks Turnovers
Kanko 4 2
Spies 9 4
17 Nov 2008, 17:00 pm
#97 RugbyRulz: Old Schoolboy afrikaans coach talk meaning: CAN’T CATCH NOTHING. lol. =D
17 Nov 2008, 17:00 pm
#23 SexyTime: The same ten people who voted to elect PDV the national coach!
17 Nov 2008, 17:01 pm
#106 husky:
As a Sharks supporter, I would venture to say that International level is one step to much for botes but for Deysel…it’s a sure thing. The boykie is awesome and is the immidiate replacement for Juan smith imo
17 Nov 2008, 17:02 pm
This is actually not such a bad thing, the doctor is a good TH and smit should play at 2 if at all. front row looks balanced, fdp back means we can leave out jauarie from the bench and have sh cover in pienaar with steyn going to 10 if we need cause of injury. otherwise pienaar plays the whole game as does fdp, and we bring on steyn and jacobs/fourie when and where we need to.
1 – beast
2 – smit
3 – jannie
4 – bakkies
5 – matfield
6 – schalk
7 – juan
8 – spies
9 – fdp
10 – pienaar
11 – habana
12 – jdv
13 – fourie/adi
14 – jpp
15 – jantjies.
16 – mujati
17 – chilli
18 – bekker
19 – kanko
20 – danie
21 – steyn
22 – adi/fourie
if the matchday is very different to that I am going to be angry.
17 Nov 2008, 17:04 pm
#96 Desertfaffa: NOT SATERDAY! haha… Its just a thought.
17 Nov 2008, 17:07 pm
#42 SexyTime: Professional rugby player today hold no fear for big guys who just make a bigger dent when they hit the deck.
17 Nov 2008, 17:09 pm
Keo
Where are the S14 squads for next season for the SA side.
17 Nov 2008, 17:13 pm
#113 Inevitable: Fear? No. School boys fear NOTHING. You get typical HARD SA school boys. I am closer to school than some of you older guys. When I was there there was no FEAR.
But thats not the point. Its PHYSICS. 105kg Spies running at the pace of a wing at a 80kg (or less) wing. Small step, and the tackler is off balance. That IS going to SUCK talking him. And if WILL hurt the smaller guy.
17 Nov 2008, 17:14 pm
#115 SexyTime: talking = tackling… soz
17 Nov 2008, 17:15 pm
My Bok XV vs Eng
1.Beast
2.Smit
3.Jannie/Mujati-(same ability IMO-but Mujati lost brownie points this wknd as he struggled vs Scots..but so did J.MaIntosh+Tialata last week.Sottish frontrow underrated)
4.Bakkies
5.Rossouw
6.Schalk
7.Smith
8.Spies
9.FdP
10.Pienaar
11.Fourie
12.JdV
13.Adi
14.JPP
15.Steyn/Jantjes-not much to choose here
17 Nov 2008, 17:17 pm
matfield is rubbish
17 Nov 2008, 17:18 pm
#102 Zulushark:
My pick:
8 Spies
9 FdP
10 Ruaan
11 JdV/Habs
12 FS
13 JF
14 JPP
Adi on the bench
17 Nov 2008, 17:18 pm
#13 iori Yagami: I am cool my man…keeping it together despite 2 near fatal heart attacks on consecutive Saturdays….how you my man?
17 Nov 2008, 17:19 pm
#118 mshiniwami: Nope. Matfield is CHAMP. I do rate Danie. But Matfield IS champ. Just needs to plough more. Get his head down and ruck.
17 Nov 2008, 17:26 pm
mujati
chilli
bekker
Ouch…
England 28- Boks 18
17 Nov 2008, 17:32 pm
#122 bryce_in_oz:
Mujati Chilli Bekker – sounds like a McDonalds ‘over-size me’ meal.
38-18 England.
BTW, only 6 Wp on tour and they’ve been included every match. Time to give others a chance?
17 Nov 2008, 17:43 pm
#28 capebull: Jy ken die storie agter stats ne? Spies het sy eerste half goeue game van die jaar gehad, nou loop jy weer met ‘n semi rond. Hy is nie yster wat julle almal dink hy is nie. My fok man, hy maak dan sy oe toe as hy iemand moet tackle.
17 Nov 2008, 17:44 pm
#28 capebull:
In NH conditions it wouldn’t be wise to accommodate Spies and Kanko in the same team, even with a specialist fetcher.
I know its inexperienced but I still reckon a trio of Deysel, Kanko and Brussouw would be BRILLIANT! Providing Kanko was prepared to play slightly tighter.
There would be plenty of hunger in that loose trio!
17 Nov 2008, 17:52 pm
#124 KingPaul: Hel man, hy maak sy oë toe want hy bid vir sy victum !!
Hehehe
Op ‘n ernstiger noot…. Spies hoort nie tans in die span nie…. loosies behoort te wees (met spelers wat in die groep is):
6 Brussouw
7 Schalla
8 Juan Smith
Op dieselfde trant, Bekker hoort nie op die bank nie…. ou Danie Dinausorus moet oppie bank wees……. Bekker is ‘n windgat passassier !
Hoop Fourie du Preez is reg om te speel !
17 Nov 2008, 18:11 pm
#126 grootblousmile:
One was always taught to tackle the legs and with Bekker you simply can’t miss
The bigger they are the harder they fall too.
Agree that Bekker is a passenger. Last week he made one ‘steal’ on a line out but zip else. Certainly no replacement for Bakkies. Mind you bakkies seems to be packing a bit around his butt these days. Quite shocked on Saturday. Maybe the ‘English Breakfast’ is to his liking? – cant be the excuse for hamburgers or hot dogs there.
17 Nov 2008, 18:35 pm
#127 OCO: Bekker is muck. ALways has been, he’s soft and gets selected for odd reasons…
17 Nov 2008, 18:45 pm
Play Kankowski against England and that will be the end of the saga, you want to go backwards and slip tackles worse than against Scotland and Wales, play Flash Gordon at No.8
17 Nov 2008, 18:48 pm
#129 tjokvol: There are far more serious issues than personal choices for Kanko or not don’t you think?
17 Nov 2008, 19:03 pm
#28 capebull: tackles made?
17 Nov 2008, 19:27 pm
#131 SodaJoe: Hi SodaJoe. Not so good with the rugga on Sat. The guys look tired. Lots of injuries now too. Not sure if we can beat England this weekend if we played like last Sat. Also hope we have a better ref. If only we could have a SH ref. Ab’s been lucky they have had Saffa refs and again this Sat they have Kaplan.
17 Nov 2008, 19:40 pm
“Beat the No.1″? What are you talking about PdV, I presume it was a slip up and you mean to say “Beat the world cup holders”. We are certainly not number one, and on current and Tri Nations display’s don’t deserve to be No.2 either.
17 Nov 2008, 22:00 pm
Bring in CJ..
18 Nov 2008, 01:43 am
Go the Boks, World Champs!! gona demolish england. Chokers going to choke against wales. CHOKERS CHOKERS CHOKERS!! HAHA
18 Nov 2008, 04:29 am
I hope you guys can beat the Poms too, I know the Wallabies are not the most popular team for many Saffas but I will still support a SH team over the north any day of the week. good luck guys
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