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		<title>By: greatest13gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2008/11/17/jannie-best-bet-for-twickers/#comment-1094264</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc Jannie is craap, Brian b oy is crap..

BJ BOtha
Faan Ratenbachh

best around</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc Jannie is craap, Brian b oy is <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym>..</p>
<p>BJ BOtha<br />
Faan Ratenbachh</p>
<p>best around</p>
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		<title>By: sparticus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats the obsession with CJ ? He is not a scrumming prop ! he is no more powerful than Mujati , he can run well yes but he aint no tighthead! show me once when he dominated his opponent ? all I remember is him giving away penalties</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats the obsession with CJ ? He is not a scrumming prop ! he is no more powerful than Mujati , he can run well yes but he aint no tighthead! show me once when he dominated his opponent ? all I remember is him giving away penalties</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093854&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;585 husky&lt;/a&gt;: 
I agree entirely with your last paragraph.
You have hit the point spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093854" rel="nofollow">585 husky</a>:<br />
I agree entirely with your last paragraph.<br />
You have hit the point spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: husky</title>
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		<dc:creator>husky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do think the Wally&#039;s went into many test matches thinking they were going to dominate the scrums? Unlikely. Look at the replays and stats of collapsed scrums, then look at the RWC when SA had scrum after scrum on the 5m line collapsed without serious sanction by the ref - domination for no reward.

Then you have to really be optimistic to think you are going to dominate all round so you must develop tactics to cope. If the AB&#039;s thought they were going to be dominated by SA in the lineouts a few years ago they didn&#039;t kick the ball out or took quick throw ins, Hardly negative.

But seriously, I take your point about technique. My hardy annual is that SA players lack super coaching, the front row is just another place where this is becoming glaringly obvious. I have very little criticism to make about the players - its the way they have been trained, drilled and used that is lacking. Oz makes this point year in and year out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do think the Wally&#8217;s went into many test matches thinking they were going to dominate the scrums? Unlikely. Look at the replays and stats of collapsed scrums, then look at the RWC when SA had scrum after scrum on the 5m line collapsed without serious sanction by the ref &#8211; domination for no reward.</p>
<p>Then you have to really be optimistic to think you are going to dominate all round so you must develop tactics to cope. If the AB&#8217;s thought they were going to be dominated by SA in the lineouts a few years ago they didn&#8217;t kick the ball out or took quick throw ins, Hardly negative.</p>
<p>But seriously, I take your point about technique. My hardy annual is that SA players lack super coaching, the front row is just another place where this is becoming glaringly obvious. I have very little criticism to make about the players &#8211; its the way they have been trained, drilled and used that is lacking. Oz makes this point year in and year out.</p>
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		<title>By: goyougoodthing2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093765&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;581 Big Hit&lt;/a&gt;: Well isn&#039;t that a sign that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093765" rel="nofollow">581 Big Hit</a>: Well isn&#8217;t that a sign that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093784&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;582 husky&lt;/a&gt;: 
The point is that you cannot go into a contest on the basis of just holding your own.
What happens when the opposition decide to murder you?
As you say, we need to turn our weakness into strength.
Of course we can do this.
Without wanting to sound arrogant, you also need to understand the technical nature of scrumming.
This does not allow for the kind of negative scrumming you first suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093784" rel="nofollow">582 husky</a>:<br />
The point is that you cannot go into a contest on the basis of just holding your own.<br />
What happens when the opposition decide to murder you?<br />
As you say, we need to turn our weakness into strength.<br />
Of course we can do this.<br />
Without wanting to sound arrogant, you also need to understand the technical nature of scrumming.<br />
This does not allow for the kind of negative scrumming you first suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: husky</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tight head,

Not at all (I can hear you snorting at your monitor). I am saying that if some part of your game isn&#039;t that strong, develop techniques to minimise or negate that weakness.

But maybe you&#039;ve answered the question. The oz scrum was considered weak. Then along came this cheeky Kiwi who said that it needn&#039;t be. Pretty much the same players, better techniques, maybe a few schemes and hey, the Oz scrum starts shoving the highly rated Poms around.

Can&#039;t SA do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tight head,</p>
<p>Not at all (I can hear you snorting at your monitor). I am saying that if some part of your game isn&#8217;t that strong, develop techniques to minimise or negate that weakness.</p>
<p>But maybe you&#8217;ve answered the question. The oz scrum was considered weak. Then along came this cheeky Kiwi who said that it needn&#8217;t be. Pretty much the same players, better techniques, maybe a few schemes and hey, the Oz scrum starts shoving the highly rated Poms around.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t SA do this?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Hit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Hit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093733&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;577 goyougoodthing2&lt;/a&gt;: I wouldn&#039;t be too sure. I don&#039;t know how to call this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093733" rel="nofollow">577 goyougoodthing2</a>: I wouldn&#8217;t be too sure. I don&#8217;t know how to call this one.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093742&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;578 husky&lt;/a&gt;: 
Basically you are saying take the contest out of the scrum.
Next step after that is take the scrum out of rugby.
Perhaps we should take the contest out of the line out as well?
Did you see what the Aussie scrum did to the English on Saturday?
The complete opposite of what you have said about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093742" rel="nofollow">578 husky</a>:<br />
Basically you are saying take the contest out of the scrum.<br />
Next step after that is take the scrum out of rugby.<br />
Perhaps we should take the contest out of the line out as well?<br />
Did you see what the Aussie scrum did to the English on Saturday?<br />
The complete opposite of what you have said about them.</p>
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		<title>By: goyougoodthing2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093742&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;578 husky&lt;/a&gt;: How close have you been to JS lately? I&#039;ve had a conversation with him in the past 3 weeks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093742" rel="nofollow">578 husky</a>: How close have you been to JS lately? I&#8217;ve had a conversation with him in the past 3 weeks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: husky</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tighthead,

Surely your namesake is over-emphasised. Fewer scrums, limited opportunity to attack in the scrums due to diabolical refereeing and more emphasis on loose play for the front row. So, like Oz, can&#039;t you just select a &quot;competent&quot; front row, on your ball; quick feed, hook so the ball rockets 10m out of the scrum and don&#039;t contest opposition scrums, just hold and wait to defend. If under threat, collapse, re set, moan about oppositon not binding, screwing, boring, slipping, not taking the pressure etc etc.

With the front row guys available, and those being selected, SA might have to learn a few Oz tricks.

Oh, and tjokvol out of skopshite Grant isn&#039;t a 1000% better than Butch (maybe 10%? on a good day), Goyousillything, JS is hardly fat; I supect you couldn&#039;t even outrun him. On second thoughts if you called him fat maybe you could, fear of death is a great incentive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tighthead,</p>
<p>Surely your namesake is over-emphasised. Fewer scrums, limited opportunity to attack in the scrums due to diabolical refereeing and more emphasis on loose play for the front row. So, like Oz, can&#8217;t you just select a &#8220;competent&#8221; front row, on your ball; quick feed, hook so the ball rockets 10m out of the scrum and don&#8217;t contest opposition scrums, just hold and wait to defend. If under threat, collapse, re set, moan about oppositon not binding, <acronym title="Keep it clean!">********</acronym>, boring, slipping, not taking the pressure etc etc.</p>
<p>With the front row guys available, and those being selected, SA might have to learn a few Oz tricks.</p>
<p>Oh, and tjokvol out of skopshite Grant isn&#8217;t a 1000% better than Butch (maybe 10%? on a good day), Goyousillything, JS is hardly fat; I supect you couldn&#8217;t even outrun him. On second thoughts if you called him fat maybe you could, fear of death is a great incentive.</p>
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		<title>By: goyougoodthing2</title>
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		<dc:creator>goyougoodthing2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093728&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;576 Big Hit&lt;/a&gt;: SA may get a good going over on Sat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093728" rel="nofollow">576 Big Hit</a>: SA may get a good going over on Sat.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Hit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Hit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093724&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;575 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: Sheridan may well be injured however and that would be a real negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093724" rel="nofollow">575 tight head</a>: Sheridan may well be injured however and that would be a real negative.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093719&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;573 Big Hit&lt;/a&gt;: 
Yes, I agree.
However as you say, he will expect nothing less than domination at scrum time from the tight forwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093719" rel="nofollow">573 Big Hit</a>:<br />
Yes, I agree.<br />
However as you say, he will expect nothing less than domination at scrum time from the tight forwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Hit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Hit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093719&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;573 Big Hit&lt;/a&gt;: the Boks have the upper hand, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093719" rel="nofollow">573 Big Hit</a>: the Boks have the upper hand, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Hit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Hit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093713&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;572 tight head&lt;/a&gt;: Morning tighthead,

Johnson is worried about his own pack&#039;s weaknesses after the Aussie game and has stated there will be &#039;no holds barred&#039; in this area so I think he will target the scrums heavily. I think he may make a couple of changes to the pack too to make them more powerful.

It may sound strange given the Boks current situation but I think they have the upper hand all over the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093713" rel="nofollow">572 tight head</a>: Morning tighthead,</p>
<p>Johnson is worried about his own pack&#8217;s weaknesses after the Aussie game and has stated there will be &#8216;no holds barred&#8217; in this area so I think he will target the scrums heavily. I think he may make a couple of changes to the pack too to make them more powerful.</p>
<p>It may sound strange given the Boks current situation but I think they have the upper hand all over the field.</p>
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		<title>By: tight head</title>
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		<dc:creator>tight head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093706&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;571 Big Hit&lt;/a&gt;: 
Morning Big Hit.
What do you think?
Will Johnson pick a pack that has a full crack at the Bok forwards?
Seems that way to me.
He must see some weaknesses there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093706" rel="nofollow">571 Big Hit</a>:<br />
Morning Big Hit.<br />
What do you think?<br />
Will Johnson pick a pack that has a full crack at the Bok forwards?<br />
Seems that way to me.<br />
He must see some weaknesses there.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Hit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Hit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093700&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;568 superBul&lt;/a&gt;: #&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093703&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;569 superBul&lt;/a&gt;: LOL, PDV is a legend :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093700" rel="nofollow">568 superBul</a>: #<a href="#comment-1093703" rel="nofollow">569 superBul</a>: LOL, PDV is a legend <img src='http://www.keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pietman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pietman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093703&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;569 superBul&lt;/a&gt;: 
Wtf!
Lady Diana?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093703" rel="nofollow">569 superBul</a>:<br />
Wtf!<br />
Lady Diana?</p>
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		<title>By: superBul</title>
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		<dc:creator>superBul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1093699&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;567 Pietman&lt;/a&gt;: Liam Del Carme

London. – Springbok coach Peter de Villiers on Monday dismissed media criticism as an attempt to sell newspapers

Any chance the Bok mentor had of keeping a low profile in the English media were probably dashed by his comments. And he even brought the late Princess Diana into the argument presented at a press conference at the Royal Garden Hotel in Kensington, London.

“Criticism appears in newspapers everywhere. People don’t just want to hear that the world is good. They don’t like progress. People prefer to write about things that will sell newspapers,” said De Villiers.

“Some years ago Di died tragically. People made a big deal out of the rumours and never said ‘shame’.

“Everybody is worried about the weekend’s game. As a team we aren’t over the moon about our performance, but currently it’s two wins from two games on tour.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1093699" rel="nofollow">567 Pietman</a>: Liam Del Carme</p>
<p>London. – Springbok coach Peter de Villiers on Monday dismissed media criticism as an attempt to sell newspapers</p>
<p>Any chance the Bok mentor had of keeping a low profile in the English media were probably dashed by his comments. And he even brought the late Princess Diana into the argument presented at a press conference at the Royal Garden Hotel in Kensington, London.</p>
<p>“Criticism appears in newspapers everywhere. People don’t just want to hear that the world is good. They don’t like progress. People prefer to write about things that will sell newspapers,” said De Villiers.</p>
<p>“Some years ago Di died tragically. People made a big deal out of the rumours and never said ‘shame’.</p>
<p>“Everybody is worried about the weekend’s game. As a team we aren’t over the moon about our performance, but currently it’s two wins from two games on tour.”</p>
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