St Luke slays Loftus louts
9 Mar 2009
Keo, in his Business Day newspaper weekly column, writes of a player’s triumph and defeat at Loftus.
The Stormers lost in Pretoria but Luke Watson definitely won against a Loftus crowd whose game plan lacked imagination and was devoid of all invention.
The crowd behaviour was as abysmal as the quality of rugby and indeed it was Watson who seemed to intimidate the near 50 000 voices by simply accepting their challenge of continued booing by asking if that was all they had to offer.
It reminded me of former All Blacks wing Jeff Wilson toying with the Newlands crowd a decade ago. Wilson, playing for the Highlanders in the Super 12, was jeered the first time he touched the ball, but midway through the match he was begging the crowd for a reaction as he scored his third try.
With both hands reaching for both ears he gestured for increased noise levels, as he could hear nothing coming from the crowd. It was hilarious and the vocal bullies had nowhere to turn but to further embarrassment. What did these morons do 10 years ago in response to Wilson’s third try? Predictably they booed.
It was the same in Pretoria. What else did the louts of Loftus have to give? Nothing, and when Watson calmly robbed Pierre Spies of the ball in contact and fashioned another clever turnover all the crowd could respond with was another boo as effective as South Africa’s cricket challenge in recent weeks against Australia.
The humiliation belonged to those attempting to ridicule.
Watson, like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible, thrives on confrontation and conflict. Adversity is another must in his working day, as is being condemned by those non-believers of freedom of speech.
In going to Loftus, all the above elements were script guarantees for the stereotype of the persecuted and defiant Christian and naturally, armed with self-belief and backed by God, Watson prospered.
The Loftus crowd, many of them believers of Christianity, misread the contest because effectively they were doing battle with one of their own, but whereas they lacked conviction in their application of resentment, Watson was committed to his stand of defiance.
Watson, disgusted at wearing a jersey with a Springbok emblem on it, is not popular for saying so. He is even less popular for calling South African rugby a game run by Afrikaners, even though there has never been a disciplinary to confirm if he ever did utter the supposedly wicked word ‘dutchmen’.
Watson, the public relations man, is a boring project because his rants and contradictions are as predictable as the Loftus crowd booing. His rugby, though, has more enterprise and is powerful.
He has never produced a Test performance of authority, but his international career has been brief and conditions and playing circumstances cannot compare to the environment of Super Rugby, which is a world made for the skills of Watson.
His Super Rugby pedigree cannot be disputed. Whether you despise his personality or revere him, he can play Super rugby and in Pretoria he did a damn better job of it than local hero Pierre Spies, who for all his athleticism still goes into mute mode when the Bulls tight five engine can’t get out of neutral.
Watson in the one-on-one match-up outplayed Spies, which does not mean I’d pick him ahead of Spies for the Springboks. I wouldn’t, but to dispute Watson’s superiority over Spies at the weekend would be a betrayal for anyone gifted a healthy set of eyes.
Watson is a clever player, whose athleticism is matched by an ability to read the game and by good skills. He may physically struggle in contact but his mind never battles to go forward.
These factors helped him beat the Loftus louts, but because of his persecution complex about being a privileged white Watson in a black South Africa these factors are meaningless in Watson’s fight to beat out of himself the need to be a South African rugby martyr; liable for the actions of those who lived in an era he has only ever read about.
Watson, the rugby player, won in Pretoria, but it is Watson the rugby player who never wins in Watson’s world – and that will always be the tragedy of a player whose world does not allow him to simply be a rugby player.
1,045 Comments
9 Mar 2009, 11:49 am
he was great
9 Mar 2009, 11:51 am
I’m not a fan… But I think he deserves credit
9 Mar 2009, 11:52 am
Go to SARUGBY COM and check the stats centre. Luke really isn’t all that.
9 Mar 2009, 11:58 am
Im a stormer supporter, and not much of a Luke supporter….but give credit to the man, he played a blinder….besides loosing the ball to FDP. He sure gave as good, if not better, than he got
9 Mar 2009, 11:58 am
I have always defended Luke, but after his alleged comments i decided to keep quiet and let him fight his own battles.
But after Saturdays game i attended a function at the team hotel, and had a good chat to Luke, and i can honestly say this… Luke, you are the man! What an awesome guy, and anyone who met him on Saturday will agree.
Friendliest and nicest guy in the entire Stormers squad, this perceived arrogance of his is pure rubbish. I will never doubt him again, no matter what comments he makes, because i now understand where they came from and why he said them. Yes it was a brainfart, and he is well aware of that, but i can understand why he said the things he did.
Luke is the man, plain and simple.
9 Mar 2009, 11:58 am
Nice read Keo……….post me my cheque by the 20th.
9 Mar 2009, 12:00 pm
Luke has to be the best flanker in SA when it comes to turn overs (Schalk has played well this year so far).
The Loftus people just confirmed what Luke was saying about who controls rugby in SA. I hear that the Beeld newspaper also got into the action by posting placards in and around Pretoria, i meant Tshwane.
Luke will always remain a hero to blacks and other white people with balls or those who dont suffer from selective amnesia.
9 Mar 2009, 12:01 pm
“like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible”
Keo, while I like your article, can I just point out that this statement is a load of rubbish. Most of his “fictional” heros from the bible are characters who you can read about by ‘non-christian historians’ too – and find plenty of athiests who would quite happily agree they were ‘real’ people too. You may not agree with his beliefs about what they mean … but you may as well just write that you don’t belive any other history either!
9 Mar 2009, 12:03 pm
haha, luke didnt win anything.
if you think that was a moral victory or something for him, you must be crazy keo…
the loftus crowd got to him first keo, not the other way round, that is why he reacted the way he did.
when jeff wilson did it a decade ago, he didnt look like he was going to start crying any minute now.
as for him winning a ball of pierre, he also lost one in contact with fourie du preez. are we suppose to think that was also a moral victory for luke too?
no, sorry keo i disagree, the guy had a good game, im sure, but he would have been better off just playing the game and not provoking a big sector of the SA rugby public AGAIN.
but he just cant help himself can he? he just loves the limelight far too much…
9 Mar 2009, 12:04 pm
#5 Dazzler: If he is aware of his brainfart and is only “perceived” as arrogant, why did he never formally apologize for making those statements?
Since I am a “********” I have decided to stop defending him. In fact, I currently despise him for his puke remarks and until he unequivocally apologize, my sentiment will remain.
Apart from the whole liking or disliking Luke debate, his stats aren’t all that great. Vermeulen, Brussouw, Spies, Burger and Kanko all average better than him. Haven’t even checked Juan, Baywatch, Botes, Deysel, Daniel etc yet.
9 Mar 2009, 12:07 pm
I have said my bit on boo’s and Luke before.
I am fascinated though Keo.
Whilst I voiced my disgust in the booing Watson received at Newlands – his own supporters – not a word was mentioned by you?
Why only reserve your opinion for when it happened at Loftus?
9 Mar 2009, 12:07 pm
To Booo or not to Booo.
It is Saturday afternoon and the big game is on. The fans are packed in and the atmosphere is electric. Sitting in one grandstand are the true sportsman. I see Morne, Chester, Gary Teichman, John Smit, Percy. Even Jonty Rhodes, Polly and Nathalie Du Toit have come to the rugby. Ook die ou manne is hier. Daar sit ou Frik en Os en Andre Joubert..
The visitors are awarded a penalty. As the kick is taken at goal, the supporters which I mentioned above, as well as the majority of the crowd, remain respectfully silent. The kick is over. They give polite applause. The opposition follow-up with a magnificent try. Once again, polite applause. Then bang. Habana goes over in the corner and the said gentlemen jump to their feet ,cheering wildly.
But over in another part of the ground there is a different sound. This sound is much akin to a troop of primates that have just scented a leopard. They Boo the opposition no matter what they do. They even boo their own players. They just boo.
Sitting in one part of the ground are the true sportsmen of the game. They are mostly intelligent, positive, successful, educated leaders in their field that come from good homes which inspired manners, respect and good breeding.
In another part of the ground sit a section of ill bred, unsuccessful, intellectually challenged, bitter losers who woudn’t know sportsmanship if it bit them in the bum.
Which part of the ground do you sit in?
9 Mar 2009, 12:09 pm
Luke the man ! had a good game.
Pitty can’t say it about the rest of the team. Don’t even wanne talk about the stormers team anymore. They playing like palukas. Something must be wrong but what ? Rassie can’t be that of a kak coach. No no , lets try again next year.
9 Mar 2009, 12:11 pm
#12 Nautigal:
Expect a **** storm coming your way from the guys from die “Oos Pawiljoen”
9 Mar 2009, 12:12 pm
Well played Luke! Stuff the Loftus “boo-ers”. Just keep on playing, and leave the comments to us all knowing Keo Bloggers……’cos the view from the couch is much better anyway!
9 Mar 2009, 12:14 pm
#9 yoda: Herein is the irony of being a bigot, the very same Loftus lot never booed Henry Tromp, now which is a bigger crime?, killing someone or telling the truth.
You okes are a bunch of morons, you malign someone for telling the truth, that has to be the most sickening thing under the sky
9 Mar 2009, 12:14 pm
7. von Giba
I do not think that Watson can make two overs in a season. Guys like Brussow and Grobbelaar make 2-3 turn-overs per match. Schalk is nowhere up to date. Rather pay attention and focus on your soccer my friend.
9 Mar 2009, 12:16 pm
#10 King Shark:
Go have a look at the stats on sport24… Luke is miles ahead of the rest at the moment. For example, he has missed only 2 tackles the entire season. But like so many people say… they are just stats.
Firstly, it was never proven he even used the word Dutchmen, he used the word Afrikaners. Whats wrong with that?
With regards to the vomiting on the jersey comment, yes it was a dumb thing to say, but it must also be taken in context. Its not the jersey he has a problem with, or even the emblem, it is what those controlling SA Rugby stand for that he hates. And i dont blame him. A large portion of the white population in this country are closet racists. It is easy to be all gentleman like in public, but one only needs to stand around a braai these days to realise this. I am a white male, and experience racist comments everyday, from both english and afrikaans people. I am a white male, and i’ve been guilty of it too in the past, but fortunately my eyes were opened a long time ago. Most people claim to have had their eyes opened, but once in the comfort of their own home or surrounded by their friends, their true feelings come out.
Tell me i am wrong about that and i will call you a liar.
9 Mar 2009, 12:17 pm
andre wp
maybe the stormers players would be playing better if their team werent being booed the whole time because of one player.
luke is having a good season, and so are a few others in the stormers team, but while these guys are playing well as individuals, they are struggling as a team…
dont you guys think that all this negativity surrounding luke is a big problem when it comes to the mood in the stormers camp and ultimitely their results?
9 Mar 2009, 12:19 pm
#18 Dazzler: Well Said, I think the dutchmen or afrikaner should rather worry about the antics of their own people, Naka doing other peoples wives, joost doing prositutes and some other singer doing boys, eish. Ek kry skaam vir ons.
9 Mar 2009, 12:19 pm
#17 AP:
Typical example of what I am talking about… soccer? so rugby is only for white people is it?
9 Mar 2009, 12:22 pm
#17 AP: Good on you AP- this is the kind of comments that make our ******** such an unlikable race, “Rather pay attention and focus on your soccer my friend.” Ja Von Giba kry ons jou, dan m#@r ons jou!
9 Mar 2009, 12:23 pm
Something i also find interesting, many (not all i know) use words like “coon”, “Zot”, “k@#@”, “floppy” etc etc. everyday of their lives, but one guy ALEGEDLY says the word dutchmen, and the these same people react like a war has just begun.
A nice warm cup of hypocrisy anyone?
9 Mar 2009, 12:24 pm
#17 AP: Based on your answer, I suggest you must be the one to focus on your soccer, obviously you know fak all about rugby or open side play
9 Mar 2009, 12:30 pm
Xhosakid
i wasnt at loftus, i didnt boo anyone, i was merely pointing out to old keo that i didnt see the incident the same way he did
as for you generalising and saying “you okes are a bunch of morons”. you and old luke and all your ANC cronies deserve each other. you seem well spoken and therefore i believe you to not be a “moron”, but when reverting to calling people names over a internet blog, you fail to make your point miserebly
9 Mar 2009, 12:31 pm
#12 Nautigal: Amen, as a staunch Bulls fan, no matter how much I despise Luke I will never boo! Sadly I cant say the same for my fellow Bulls fans of opposition Stormers fans when the booed their own team!
IMHO give the devil his due, Luke is having a good season….. but he is hardly up to the standard of Burger, Vermeulen, Spies, Kanko, Deysel, Botes, Baywatch, even Pedrie! Coupled with what a disruptive person he is in a team sport he is better left out of national duty to go puke on his own! Poor boy his father really F@cked up his carrer
9 Mar 2009, 12:31 pm
A very good article, keo has hit it on the head here, been a while.
9 Mar 2009, 12:32 pm
#10 King Shark:
Now now King Shark, we have all said stupid things. But people do not hang onto every single word, that King Shark, cane or Yoda say.
My understanding, is that the “Dutchmen”, comment is ALLEGED. With no proof of it’s context, tone, timbre or even it’s reality.
The young man has a burden to carry….his name.
Cut him some slack.
9 Mar 2009, 12:33 pm
king luke did well playing in front of thousands of plaasjapie animals
9 Mar 2009, 12:33 pm
#12 Nautigal: Well said and I agree with you. As one of the cheap seat Bulls supporters, I was utterly disgusted with the behaviour of the crowd. All the booing, posters and negative energy only served to inspire and motivate Luke to play his heart out. On the day he play some of his best rugby this season. Well done Luke.
To come back to the morons on the east side, jeez I wish that I can take them for some lessons in being gentlemanly, as I saw a Bulls supporter dad teaching his young children to boo everything that is percieved negative towards the Bulls, even though they clearly does not understand the game. Its ironic actually, the crowd booed him for saying we are dutchmen, but it just reinforced his statement.
I am sorry for the reaction of the crowd, and I wish they would stop and think, what harm it does to a team with such rich history and proud traditions. Rugby was always been the sport of the gentleman, but I fear that it has become the love-child of the unwashed, uneducated and unrefined mob.
9 Mar 2009, 12:34 pm
#14 PissAnt: Not a “piep from the guys from die “Oos Pawiljoen”so far. Newlands south stand has also gone quiet.
9 Mar 2009, 12:35 pm
He was magnificent at Loftus, but a doos he remains. Until he changes that about himself, he’ll never be anything but a disruptive force in the Bok setup.
Say sorry, Luke. It’s easy. Your performances on the field deserve a call-up… dont be too proud to deny yourself a proper run in Bok colours. Isn’t there something about pride in the Good Book?
9 Mar 2009, 12:35 pm
#25 yoda: anyone who sees fit to boo Luke when they never booed Henry Tromp is a racist moron, that is not a generalization, that is a statement of fact
9 Mar 2009, 12:36 pm
24 XHOSAKID
You should watch all the matches before making these comments. Review the statistics – that is if you can count!
9 Mar 2009, 12:36 pm
#27 cab:
Keo swings both ways (so to speak) cab.
He will post any article, he thinks will get hits.
What does Keo really think….who knows.
9 Mar 2009, 12:37 pm
cane
long time no talk, how are things in NZ? how do you feel about your hurricanes chances for the S14?
9 Mar 2009, 12:38 pm
#28 cane:
Howzit Cane,
Forget about luke.
How’s the feeling amongst the NZ’ders after that 6-0 game.
Very disapointing to see a great team like the Crusaders play like that. Your team is doing well at least.
Do you see any other team than the canes from NZ reaching the playoffs?
9 Mar 2009, 12:38 pm
And yet again Luke Watson is being proven correct by the reaction of bloggers here on keo.
#17 AP:
Go and look at the stats, my friend. You’ll see that Luke was one of the leading gainer of turnovers of all SA sides last year. But hey, rugby is just for the whites, right, judging by your soccer comment?
#23 Dazzler:
Yes, it is always amazing how in public they are political correctness itself but as soon as they are at a braai the racist talk comes out. I actually prefer an unashamed racist to these “closet racists” as you call them, at least they are not hypocritical.
9 Mar 2009, 12:38 pm
#29 khoisanking:
Saying things like that makes you no better than them, keep it clean pal…
9 Mar 2009, 12:38 pm
Well written Mark……
I am a Bulls supporter but I almost had to admire the man when he gesculated to the crowd asking for more…. There wasn’t the two or one fingered salute as is the weapon of many a moron but a defiant “do your best boys” attitude…
I Do dislike the man intensely not because of his values but because I do believe there firstly suspect in the sincere department, ie noteriety has kept Cheeky and family in the spotlight and because he seeks to impose his stance on others who hold differing views as is with the Springbok argument….
9 Mar 2009, 12:39 pm
#27 cab:
Yes, reminds me a bit of his Geo Cronje/Rudolf Straeuli days. That Keo has been gone for a while now.
9 Mar 2009, 12:40 pm
#29 khoisanking:
That is completely, absolutely unnecessary. In fact, f*ck off.
We don’t need your ilk.
9 Mar 2009, 12:40 pm
Great article Keo, it will obviously provoke many people yet again but just maybe it will enlighten some as well.
9 Mar 2009, 12:40 pm
18. Dazzler :
“Luke is miles ahead of the rest at the moment. For example, he has missed only 2 tackles the entire season”.
Not bad for a guy making only 4 tackles in the game!
9 Mar 2009, 12:41 pm
Luke outplayed Spies
Beat Stegmann in the turnover stakes
Stood up to Loftus and can hold his head high..PROUDLY
Boo/dislike all you want
He can take it and then some
Which is more than I can say for those “red-faced suipers” booing in the crowd
It was amazing to see him bait the crowd like that..He’d rather DIE than give in to the BS and intimidation
I ADMIRE THAT
Look like he might have a blinder of a season if he carries on like this…All courtesy of the boo boys…
9 Mar 2009, 12:42 pm
khosakid
do you have trouble reading?
AGAIN i wasnt at loftus, and i didnt boo luke. if you want to go boo henry tromp so badly why dont you?
may i remind you that luke has been booed every game this season on his own homeground newlands…it wasnt just the loftus crowd that booed him.
9 Mar 2009, 12:43 pm
About the booing thing I have only this to say.
The fans in PTA and CT must please grow up. It is a childish thing to boo anyone.
The fans of these two great teams of SA should be ashamed.
Go Sharks! (Country of the gentleman.)
9 Mar 2009, 12:43 pm
#43 Robzim:
Sadly, some people just can’t be enlightened, Robzim.
9 Mar 2009, 12:43 pm
From SA rugby stats centre provided by Verusco
Clean Brakes, Def Beaten, Innefective Passes, Metres, Missed Tackles, Off loads, Passes, Runs, T/O’s conceded, Tackles Made, Tries Scored
4, 7, 3, 333, 19, 3, 17, 40, 5, 29, 4 (minutes playes: 314)
2, 4, 5, 229, 2, 6, 44, 34, 4, 44, 0 (minutes played: 261)
Clean Brakes
Spies: 4
Watson: 2
Def Beaten
Spies: 7
Watson: 4
Offloads
Spies: 3
Watson: 6
Passes
Spies : 17
Watson: 44
Tries
Spies: 4
Watson: 0
Spies : 8.3 meters per run on average
Watson : 6.7 meters per run
Spies: successful tackle every 11.5 minutes
Watson: successful tackle every 5.9 minutes
Spies: missed tackle every 16.5 minutes
Watson: missed tackle every 130 minutes
In other words – Tackle effectiveness
Spies : 60 % (29 from 48 attempts)
Watson: 95% (44 from 46 attempts)
9 Mar 2009, 12:43 pm
Any Watson thread…..guaranteed 300 (minimum) posts.
An articulate, concise appraisal of any Cheetahs game……5 posts (max).
9 Mar 2009, 12:44 pm
#38 WP Till I Die:
Yip, and the scary thing is, a vast portion of the white population in this country are closet racists in some way or form.
So who can blame Luke, at least he is sitting on one particular side of the fence and he sticks to it, unlike most who regularly jump the fence, depending on who is around.
9 Mar 2009, 12:44 pm
And now Keohane is doing it again – labelling a crowd of 50 000 as Christian. Do you think that all Bull suppporters boo others? Then maybe it was a Cape Malay crowd who booed Geo Cronje 6 years ago at Newlands after Keo made a racial issue of the dispute? Or maybe an atheist crowd at newlands who cheered when Morne Du Plessis high tackeld Naas or a Welkom tappert crowd in 1987 when Jannie Els knocked Naas over.
Maybe it is because Pierre Spies is a Christian that he handed the ball over to Luke? I watched the game again, and Luke was good on some occasions and missing in action in others. He did not look like mr superman to me all the time.
Your own argument is just as boring as Mugabe’s speeches of colonialism. It was a north south derby, and the media, christian atheist, Muslim, secular or whatever, also built the whole of the North south Derby around Watson. Watson is not the first player to get booed at Loftus. Their is Mongomery, Skinstadt, Bolla Conradie (oops he is Black), Fleck and Michael Du Plessis. I never saw any word written here on how Morne Steyn was booed in Durban in the Curie Cup Final, or when the cheetahs played their song every time Hougaard kicked for poles in in the 2006 semi final? I never read a word by anyone critisizing ‘an English Outpost” from Natal?
And now Keo is finding in Watson a “project” to get back at people that is a huge challenge to him, personally. Using Watson as a fire fighter and making money out of the whole y issue sounds a bit like prostitution to me. And what better adversary to find in Christian Afrikaners?
Keo, you probably got the bliksem in when that youngster smashed Luke into the stands. It is the same how us Bull supporters feel everytime our players get booed at Newlands. So, kry vir jou!!!
So, my advice is, stop the blaming. stop the name calling. If the Cape Franchise do not win any cups or play at least in a final this year, with Rassie as headcoach (by the way- why don’t you investigate political discrimination in WP for axing Luke as captain?), then they don’t deserve Erasmus at all.
9 Mar 2009, 12:45 pm
Sometimes I can’t help wondering if there is not substance in what Luke said. I mean guys, look at the behaviour of the crowds and newspapers and convince me otherwise. I for one, also slammed his comments, but if I look at the comments on this site and behaviour of the general public, I can’t help but think again. How is he’s comments different to the Markgraaff’s comment’s alla the Bester recordings, and nobody bood him when walking on a rugby pitch. Hell, he became involved in Bok rugby again!
Let’s play the ball and not the man.
9 Mar 2009, 12:45 pm
fcking joke Keo, you WP lackey.
the maajority rules my friendd
FACT: Luke is most hated sports figure in country
9 Mar 2009, 12:47 pm
The whole thing is a joke. As is Luke. As a rugby player he is better than average, but even if he was Tiger Woods’ good I wouldn’t have anywhere near my team.
He poisons the ground he walks on.
9 Mar 2009, 12:47 pm
Keo vs 50,000 NTvl supporters
keo, stop lowrring to your CT paymasters.
9 Mar 2009, 12:48 pm
#35 cane:
lol, yes, but he’s got a turn of phrase and tends to side with the left (at least in his old days), it makes him interesting, and a quantum leap ahead of the compliant rot trotted out in our press.
9 Mar 2009, 12:48 pm
Luke won nothing!!!
I have no respect for him and aparently a lot of others neither.
So there…
9 Mar 2009, 12:49 pm
#44 AP:
Actually, Watson’s been averaging almost fifteen tackles a match. Check out Statscentre on sarugby.com.
But I don’t think you will – you’ll probably claim that stats lie.
9 Mar 2009, 12:49 pm
#38 WP Till I Die: [But hey, rugby is just for the whites]
For the ********, we’re not all morons. I don’t think AP can infer stats, “meeste van die syfers is in engels”
9 Mar 2009, 12:49 pm
This is one of worrst one sided articlees I hav read here..
9 Mar 2009, 12:49 pm
38. WP Till I Die :
“Go and look at the stats, my friend. You’ll see that Luke was one of the leading gainer of turnovers of all SA sides last year” Brussow outclassed him in a ratio of 3:1 for example. Look at the stats amd let somebody help you with the calculations.
‘But hey, rugby is just for the whites, right, judging by your soccer comment?”
No this is not what I meant. The statements made clearly indicate that the person that made the statements does not know a lot about rugby.
No, rugby is not only for the whites – are you blind?
However, it appears that soccer is only for the blacks as the scoreboard clearly reflects the issue!!
9 Mar 2009, 12:50 pm
#53 Isigidi:
Great comment, Isigidi. At least you are able to be open-minded and consider things from other perspectives. Sadly the same can’t be said for others.
9 Mar 2009, 12:51 pm
#59 WP Till I Die:
stats meaan sh*t. ok bru?
9 Mar 2009, 12:52 pm
#62 AP:
“as the scoreboard clearly reflects the issue” – so, by inference, you are claiming that our national soccer team would do better if it was full of whites?
Does the pronunciation of your nickname rhyme with “Japie”?
9 Mar 2009, 12:52 pm
How entertaining was Luke with Gerhard van Heerden. Shame the poor guy had to use momentum and all his body strength to lift Luke over the side while he only had to use his forearm muscle to keep Gerhard looking like someone swimming to come up for air. It also looked like Mark Lawrence enjoyed the show…
Gerhard, welcome to Super 14, your playing with the big boys now…
9 Mar 2009, 12:52 pm
#64 greatest13gerber:
Hahahahaha – the great cop-out. Thanks G13G, was just waiting for that one.
9 Mar 2009, 12:52 pm
#41 WP Till I Die:
yip, exactly. needs to get back to his roots, but now successful, not so hungry.
9 Mar 2009, 12:54 pm
mmmm, Watson plays well and his team lose.
the story of his life really.
What a nob.
I’d bet that the Bulls discussed Watson in a team meeting and made a decision NOT to work him over. Hell, Watson basically was given the key to loftus.The win was just more important to the Bulls than giving some over-opinionated militant so-and-so a pasting, even if it did make him look a lot better than he actually is.
PS: Keo, no comment withregards to Olivier making DeVilliers look like a cart horse or Nell making Bobo look like a crash basher.Or the fact that Watson only look good when the Stormers pack is getting all the set piece possession?
What a one-eyed nothingless topic. business day actually pays for this stuff? Good work if you can get it I suppose.
9 Mar 2009, 12:55 pm
Puke was boo’ed at Newlands as well. To me it is worse to be boo’ed at your own home ground. Nothing was said then, but because it is Loftus and the Bulls it is suddenly this big issue.
But we all know that the Bulls are newsworthy and the Stormers aren’t.
9 Mar 2009, 12:55 pm
#64 greatest13gerber:
Stats can provide some objectivity during times when people think with their emotions instead of their brains.
9 Mar 2009, 12:55 pm
#64 greatest13gerber: Dude, is your keyboard broken or are you as stupid as you come across?
9 Mar 2009, 12:56 pm
#36 yoda:
yoda………………just between you and I……….now keep this to yourself.
If I had to money on it, (i.e. cold hard logic), then my 4 semi-finalists, right now, would be:-
Sharkies,
Tahs,
Bullies,
Bumbies.
With the Sharkies winning the whole thing.
However, we live in world of shifting sands ….so who knows.
As for my Hurricanes. We are 4th at this stage, but we are not exactly setting the world on fire.
And on a personal note………..good to see you back.
9 Mar 2009, 12:57 pm
#69 St.Petersburgbok:
Also no comment about Koster easily running Spies in from behind and perform try saving tackle.
9 Mar 2009, 12:57 pm
#58 Blouste:
That may be true
But a lot of others do respect him and his stance
So dont present a case/statement as if your view is religious DOGMA
#54 greatest13gerber:
Yeah,but Henry Tromp aint that bad amongst the Loftus faithfull..in fact he was cheered and made a Bok
Pffffff
9 Mar 2009, 12:58 pm
#54 greatest13gerber: hey g13g.
how’s those typing lessons going?
9 Mar 2009, 12:59 pm
The Stormers should play Koster instead off Kotser at eightman.
9 Mar 2009, 12:59 pm
Trust the Monarchs to elevate Luke to early Sainthood.
Has he walked on water yet?
9 Mar 2009, 13:00 pm
#64 greatest13gerber:
Hoesit!
Hoe ver in die bottle whiskey al!
9 Mar 2009, 13:00 pm
#72 Windhoek.Lager: yes to the second one.
9 Mar 2009, 13:01 pm
#37 Snoek:
The Highlanders fans are overjoyed.
9 Mar 2009, 13:01 pm
#69 St.Petersburgbok: #74 Robzim:
Do we have a **** measuring competition?
9 Mar 2009, 13:02 pm
#77 It is just a game:
wow, what a real intelligent and insightful post.
9 Mar 2009, 13:02 pm
#78 Dawn:
The only person in the world who can walk on water is Kelly Slater. I have personally witnessed it.
9 Mar 2009, 13:03 pm
KEO weet net hoe om ‘n vuur aan te blaas! You have got to love it!
9 Mar 2009, 13:04 pm
I would crack myself if Watson get booed (again) at newlands this coming Saturday. Wonder what keo will write home about then?
St. Luke Watson wins Cape Argus.
9 Mar 2009, 13:04 pm
#69 St.Petersburgbok:
You tell ‘em.
9 Mar 2009, 13:05 pm
#53 Isigidi:
mcgraaf was given the boot after his initial comments.
9 Mar 2009, 13:05 pm
Luke Watson stops the wind at yesterday’s Cycle Tour.
9 Mar 2009, 13:05 pm
Afraid the thread is loosing substance.
Soon will develop into passage ***.
Fu&* you
No fu%& you
Fu$% Luke
Fu&* everybody
See a few morons also entered site, eish.
Later……………
9 Mar 2009, 13:05 pm
St Luke slays Cape ****
9 Mar 2009, 13:06 pm
“Fictional heroes in the Bible” – boy Keo, you should shoot your CV through to Heat Magazine. This sensationalist nonsense does not belong in this site.
By the way – what about Fourie du Preez ripping the ball of Luke? By your definition, that makes Fourie du Preez the better player on the day.
9 Mar 2009, 13:06 pm
#43 Robzim: Robzim I cannot agree with you. Any article , no matter how factual, that preys on the emotional immaturity of its readers is not great. Keo is baiting the Loftus Versveld fraternity because of its own immature treatment of one of the players he supports. As Luke would know the right response would have been to turn the other cheek. No-one benefits from the kind of discussions that this thread throws up.
I admire Luke for his Christian stance and the kind of life he strives to live. I also admire him for his ability on the rugby field, his passion and his dedication but what I don’t admire with is his response on Saturday. You give your opposition the upperhand when you respond in the same manner. Let me say I am in no position to judge Luke as I may have responded the same way only to realise as no doubt Luke has since,that there is a more appropriate response.
Lets hope he shows it on the rugby field.
9 Mar 2009, 13:07 pm
Here is another sites team of the week… I thought some players should have been selected ahead of some of these guys…
Team of the Week – Round Four:
15 – Isaia Toeava (Blues):
Playing in a losing team doesn’t mean you had a bad game. Also, go have a look at his role in that late comeback. He is a class act.
14 – Lelia Masaga (Chiefs):
We have known about his qualities for some time and maybe he has not always been consistent, but boy oh boy, was he good last Friday.
13 – Adi Jacobs (Sharks):
He showed again at the weekend why Springbok coach Peter de Villiers preferred him ahead of Jaque Fourie even when the Lions’ No.13 returned from injury last year. He is now, without doubt, South Africa’s premier outside centre.
12 – Wynand Olivier (Bulls):
He had faced a barrage of criticism after he lost some form, post 2007 World Cup. However, Olivier has looked every bit the player that first burst onto the scene and he certainly had the better of exchanges with his more illustrious Springbok teammate Jean de Villiers.
11 – Hosea Gear (Hurricanes);
His blistering pace and great skills had the Cheetahs defence as sixes and sevens on Saturday. Another player that has done his reputation no harm and put his hand up for All Black selection, yet again.
10 – Stephen Donald (Chiefs):
It is the way in which he controlled the game that eventually won our vote – although there was strong competition from Matt Giteau and Morne Steyn.
9 – Fourie du Preez (Bulls):
Simply the best, no doubt about that!
8 – Pierre Spies (Bulls):
Yes, there was some debate, but in the end it was a unanimous decision.
7 – Phil Waugh (Waratahs):
So strong, so skillful and a good leader to boot.
6 – Duane Vermeulen (Stormers):
This was Rassie Erasmus’ best buy in the off season and what a gem he is proving to be – big, strong and skillful. He matches the beefy Bulls ‘punch-for-punch’.
5 – Jason Eaton (Hurricanes):
Just letting the All Black selectors know that he is still around.
4 – Bakkies Botha (Bulls):
His style may not be everybody’s cup of tea and he may be as disliked in Cape Town as Luke Watson is in Pretoria, but Botha is one of the form locks in the Super 14.
3 – Jannie du Plessis (Sharks):
Who said South Africa lacked quality tighthead props? This man is playing out of his skin at the moment.
2 – Aled de Malmanche (Chiefs):
Although he can cover all three positions in the front row, he looks at his best at hooker – a brute of a man.
1 – Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks):
Forget the yellow card, that was just a culmination of his teammates’ transgressions. He remains a beast … in fact YThe Beast!
9 Mar 2009, 13:08 pm
#69 St.Petersburgbok:
Bobo had a good game as well,even the commentators said so.Put on a little review package of his performance during the game.Got over the advantage line evrytime he got the ball.
JP Nel did nothing
JdV vs Olivier
Wasnt an exciting match,none of them made any reputable linebreaks in the game/Scrappy game.Olivier scored a great try on the back of great scrambling play from Fourie du Preez.Average tackle form Koster.
But nothing direct to JdV.
Bulls tight 5 did just enough to win the game,kept possession well.
but the game was hardly a backline spectacle.
best backline player was the ultra committed Akona Ndungane IMO
9 Mar 2009, 13:08 pm
isigid the moron labeling machine
9 Mar 2009, 13:09 pm
#74 Robzim:
ja, brilliant. spies accelerates from a standing start and almost get;s away….Koster is already at full tilt and just get’s hold of Spies boot laces.
….amazing that?
9 Mar 2009, 13:10 pm
#94 THE MAULER: Quite agree with their choice of Vermeulen. He looked poor in the first game against the Sharks, but had a great game this weekend
9 Mar 2009, 13:11 pm
cane
thanks for the welcome, i dont come on keo that often excactly because of these “watson” type articles, where everyone that sits in an office want to take their frustrasions out on the next guy.
but its still fun sometimes…
as for the bulls being in the semis, i really hope so, but we still have to tour. i think your canes will still find form, they will definitily challenge for a spot in the semis come the business end ot the S14
the sharks look like the team to beat, they had a bit of luck in NZ, but i still think they look good. the tahs aint looking bad either…
9 Mar 2009, 13:11 pm
Ha ha ha, come on Keo.
The way Puke reacted showed that the crowd got to him eventually.
And what would you like the crowd to do? Maybe they should have emulated Piet from 2002….would that have been better?
He had a good game but his little rant cost him victory against the crowd (not to mention that the fact the Bulls won).
9 Mar 2009, 13:12 pm
Mind you … Luke is looking very Messianic these days.
9 Mar 2009, 13:12 pm
About the bulls and stormers game:
What a kuk game. That first half was what would make any new rugby supporter run for the hills and jump of a cliff. If it wasn’t for the Saders and Landers being so awfull, this would have been the worst game so far this year.
On a positive note:
Stormers forwards where much stronger in the set pieces than i thought possible. Ruled the lineouts and scrums. But get rid of Brits, he is embarrising your team.
Wynand imo was the best off all the backline players, and FDP is class.
Spies is as bad as he is good.
The bulls will have to up their game for the rest of the tournament if they really want to be taken serious, and the Stormers should start playing their young guys for experience for next year.
They don’t have it to make the semis this year.
9 Mar 2009, 13:12 pm
#52 mosselbaaibul: Agree completely!
This is all just a storm in a tea cup. See it for what it was. Entertainment! The booing was never malicious. Nobody was ever going to assault poor little pukey. It was all part of the game.
Keo an co – Get over it. Pukey was first booed in Cape Town – even on holy Newlands none the less! Loftus will also not be the last place he gets a few birds…
9 Mar 2009, 13:13 pm
#98 Cheetha Champs:
He had a good game.. But think these guys are not giving the Saffas the credit.. Wheres JPP?
9 Mar 2009, 13:13 pm
#93 bananaboy:
I respect your views and also the way in which you articulated it as per #93 above.
I do however also think Keo just called it as he saw it on the day.
9 Mar 2009, 13:15 pm
#104 THE MAULER: Agreed about JPP. Are these teams selected on overall performance or just the weekends’.
9 Mar 2009, 13:15 pm
From SA rugby stats centre provided by Verusco
Clean Brakes, Def Beaten, Innefective Passes, Metres, Missed Tackles, Off loads, Passes, Runs, T/O’s conceded, Tackles Made, Tries Scored
Spies
4, 7, 3, 333, 19, 3, 17, 40, 5, 29, 4 (minutes playes: 314)
Watson
2, 4, 5, 229, 2, 6, 44, 34, 4, 44, 0 (minutes played: 261)
Clean Brakes
Spies: 4
Watson: 2
Def Beaten
Spies: 7
Watson: 4
Offloads
Spies: 3
Watson: 6
Passes
Spies : 17
Watson: 44
Tries
Spies: 4
Watson: 0
Spies : 8.3 meters per run on average
Watson : 6.7 meters per run
Spies: successful tackle every 11.5 minutes
Watson: successful tackle every 5.9 minutes
Spies: missed tackle every 16.5 minutes
Watson: missed tackle every 130 minutes
In other words – Tackle effectiveness
Spies : 60 % (29 from 48 attempts)
Watson: 95% (44 from 46 attempts)
9 Mar 2009, 13:15 pm
#76 the peanut gallery:
#79 Dawn:
hello my old friiends
This article is joke. one sidedd
9 Mar 2009, 13:15 pm
ageneeeee…ek het nou net n hengse lang post gedoen nou’s hy gone…….
ag wat de hel….. voor oppie log is voor oppie log….miskien nie vir lankie….maar Bulls is voor oppie log….
ten minste hoef en nie te cut en paste nie….
wat gaat die kaap maak as hul teen die Lions verloor?????
As ek na Rassie luister wat sê “nie almal is geduldig nie”….. dan kan hy seker maar sy tasse pak?
Ek rate vir Vermeulen as ten minste 2 keer beter as Watson! Ten minste! Maar nou ja…Vermeulen is net n goeie eerlikke hard flank……niemand gaat oor hom post nie…..Vermeulen is huidiglik beter as al die loosies in die Kaap….en ek is n Schalla fan…..
maar nee……Luke, luke, luke as al wat jy **** innie kaap.
9 Mar 2009, 13:16 pm
65. WP Till I Die :
“so, by inference, you are claiming that our national soccer team would do better if it was full of whites?”
Not at all. Look at the scoreboard in terms of how many black players compared to white players in our National soccer team – that is what I meant.
Compare Luke , Grobbelaar, Brussow, Schalk, Stegman in terms of turnovers and all-over play – that is the issue. Waiting for your response
9 Mar 2009, 13:16 pm
#95 mshiniwami:
my point wasn’t that Bobo was bad, but he did exactly what Nel generally does( which is just carry it up to set up another phase).
But with Stransky commentating you would have thought he was playing with the skills set of Aaron Mauger.
Nel was a monster on defense and did get a couple bursts in. In fact that was the real difference between the teams. Stormers could only break the line when the two props where caught looking at each other.
And let’s face it, Matfield butchered a try that would have made it at least 19-3 and then it really was game over.
9 Mar 2009, 13:17 pm
#103 Die Griek:
Well said….
9 Mar 2009, 13:17 pm
Smit also stood up well at tighthead against Woodcock…
9 Mar 2009, 13:18 pm
#106 It is just a game:
Each weekend… He deserved to be there…
9 Mar 2009, 13:18 pm
#97 St.Petersburgbok:
Um I think you might want to watch that again… Both Spies and Koster were nearly at a standing start, and Koster caught him within 15m. Spies did the 100m in 10.8, Koster did it in 11 flat, so very little between the 2 of them.
And when exactly did Olivier make Jean look like a carthorse? I hope you’re not refferring to the try, because Jean didnt even chase.
When Olivier has made a 10th of the line breaks and creates a 10th of the tries that Jean has, then we’ll talk.
9 Mar 2009, 13:18 pm
#109. Staal
Stem heelhartiglik met jou saam.
9 Mar 2009, 13:19 pm
#107 bergbok:
Stats het bewys dat wortels die oorsaak van mense se dood is ….
die meeste mense wat dood gaaan het wortels in die laaste maand voor hul dood geeet……
9 Mar 2009, 13:19 pm
#17 AP: Typical.#52 mosselbaaibul: The Loftus crowd will BOO Luke, but cheer for Tromp.
At least the WP crowd stood up against racism from Geo.
Loftus crowds appear to be comfortable with killers that murder their farm workers, but not with someone voicing an opinion. Amazing.
9 Mar 2009, 13:20 pm
#107 bergbok:
so basically, Spies doesn’t do as much as Watson, but what he does do makes a difference?
Like I already said…..Luke plays well and his team lose. Spies plays well and his side definately win, Spies plays average and his side inevitably win anyway.
9 Mar 2009, 13:20 pm
Just thinking, I want to puke every time people waste time to debate/blame/judge/crucify/etc Luke Watson. Question is simply, is this little man worthy of the time wasted on him? Shame on KEO for beautifying the little devil to saint status. Wonder if the Pope knows about it yet.
9 Mar 2009, 13:21 pm
but actually when all is said and done the best looseforward in SA is Schalk Burger. 100% every game.
9 Mar 2009, 13:21 pm
#110 AP: Look at the countries demografic and how many schools offer soccer as a sport and how many parents encourage it, then look at the same demografic in rugby.
9 Mar 2009, 13:21 pm
#107 bergbok: Spies is a machine….a tackle missing machine. Got handed off by Bobo and Ricky on Sat……..like they were swatting a fly
9 Mar 2009, 13:22 pm
Adi Jacobs is hands down the best 13 in SA at the moment…was magnificent vs Blues
Only Richard Kahui compares at the moment
His abilities as a playmaker make the whole team better
9 Mar 2009, 13:22 pm
#121 cab: Not for a while now. He seems lethargic. Not his usual self at all.
9 Mar 2009, 13:23 pm
Why wasn’t this thread written when 50% of the Newlands crowd booed Puke.
Personal sour grapes?
9 Mar 2009, 13:23 pm
#124 mshiniwami: Very true.
9 Mar 2009, 13:23 pm
#119 St.Petersburgbok: Spies only plays well when the other team roll over and play dead. When the going gets tough….he goes AWOL.
9 Mar 2009, 13:23 pm
#119 St.Petersburgbok:
Recent trend though? Where did the Bulls end last year?
So you can’t say “inevitably”, can you?
9 Mar 2009, 13:23 pm
#118 hater:
is there a difference withregards to Geo calling a black african an “Apie” and Watson calling an Africaner a “********”.
….or is the one ok and the other not.
and not that I know anything about this Tromp bloke but I do know that our next president elect is a crook.
….so let’s not go down that road, hey plonker?
9 Mar 2009, 13:24 pm
#124 mshiniwami:
I agree!! He is fantatsic!! It will be evry hard for Fourie to take back the 13 jersey….
9 Mar 2009, 13:24 pm
#125 hater:
lacks match sharpness with injury, but Burger always gives 100%.
first name down on the Bok teamsheet i reckon.
9 Mar 2009, 13:25 pm
#123 K9 Pavement-special: so wat sê jy nou…gaat jul die Stormers wen komende naweek…. nie volgende jaar of eeu nie …. die naweek.
9 Mar 2009, 13:26 pm
I think the afrticle is written from the perspective of a 10 year old boy, looking for romance amidst all the chaos, a hero to stand up in these trying times we find ourselves in. Here the writer has found a hero in someone that makes a great story but will also ensure lots of hits on the site. A further clue about the age of the writer is the swipe taken at the SA cricket team for not winning and staring down the barrel of their first test series defeat in 2 years.
Grow up just a little. I am a ******** and did not agree with Luke’s comments on the Bok jersey but see a lot of truth in his assessment of ******** running the game.
Just give credit to Luke for attempting to silence his critics by playing good rugby (which he is) and don’t try and get publicity out of it.
9 Mar 2009, 13:26 pm
#121 cab:
Hi Cab,
I am worried about Schalk. At the moment he is only half the player that he used to be, whether he is waiting for greener pastures, is injured, p#ssed off or what I do not know.
#123 K9 Pavement-special:
Tackle missing machine
9 Mar 2009, 13:26 pm
#133 Staal: Dink ons kan….dink die stormpies het alles gegee die naweek. Weet nie of hulle weer hul game so sal kan lig nie.
9 Mar 2009, 13:27 pm
#115 Dazzler:
wow wee, don’t get your knickers in a knot buddy.
My comparson between jdv ad olivier was strictly withregards to this specific game.I readily agree that devilliers is the better center…..but then, that is my entire point, or did you miss it?
question?
you realize the Bulls won right?
9 Mar 2009, 13:28 pm
#135 Robzim:
hi rob, yep am worried about his attitude too and off-filed nonsense, but he loves the contact too much, must just play his own game as always done. he is still the best imo, tho i know you and skop prefer watson.
9 Mar 2009, 13:29 pm
So it’s ok to cheer, but not jeer?
How else is a supporter to let luke know that the crowd really does not like him, that he is not welcome?
How else does a supporter show/tell his team/player that he does not appreciate the **** they are dishing out on the field week after week?
How else can you transfer home ground advantage onto the field from the spectator’s side?
Write a strongly worded letter to the union, post his feelings on Keo, or boo at the game? Which do you think comes across the best?
I ask again.
So, it’s ok to cheer, but not jeer?
It’s the same as saying that you are allowed to compliment the government, but never allowed to criticize it.
Jeering, like cheering is the only voice that the SA supporter have.
9 Mar 2009, 13:29 pm
#130 St.Petersburgbok: WP booed both players. geo and luke. I personally don’t see why they “Dutchmen” are in a huff about him calling them that. As any white people call fellow white people the same thing.
Tromp was a Springbok, who murdered a farm worker with his Dad. Loftus cheered for him.
So, yes. I am proud of Luke for standing up to the ilk of the Loftus crowd. People who embrace murderers.
9 Mar 2009, 13:32 pm
Opium for masses, eh Keo? Comparing Watson to Spies is silly and I would have thought you will know better than that.
9 Mar 2009, 13:32 pm
#129 WP Till I Die:
what time frame do you consider a trend?
4 months from jan 2008-may 2008?
quite specific your trends, ne?
not the following 6 months or preceeding 3/4 seasons?
funny flockers you cape okeys?
did you fall off your bike doing the Argus?
maybe you should have then?
9 Mar 2009, 13:32 pm
#139 Paws:
Very ironic – you are attempting to use freedom of expression as an argument to justify humiliating a person (Luke Watson) because he exercised that same freedom of expression.
9 Mar 2009, 13:33 pm
#139 Paws: In my view. Booing is disgraceful. It’s for people who are nothing but trash.
Sports men and women go out there to play and entertain the crowd. Cheer for your team, respect your opponents for engadging in a contest, and let the better team win.
9 Mar 2009, 13:33 pm
#138 cab:
At his best I will not even consider dropping Schalk and will play:
6. Watson
7. Schalk
8. Vermeulen
Vermeulen is getting better in every match.
9 Mar 2009, 13:34 pm
#142 St.Petersburgbok:
Why are you so aggressive and militant? Heat in Franschhoek getting to you?
All I did was take exception to your comment that the Bulls “inevitably win”, that’s all. IT’s not like the Bulls win every single match they play, is it? In fact, just four weeks ago Bulls fans were clamouring for Ludeke’s head, were they not?
Calm down.
9 Mar 2009, 13:34 pm
#140 hater: Embarrassingly stupid comment.
Go and stand in the corner.
9 Mar 2009, 13:36 pm
booing is dimocraatic right
9 Mar 2009, 13:36 pm
#132 cab: Burger is like the way Jerry Collins was. The first name on the team sheet, great player. Then he took his foot off the gas and started looking off. Jerry got dropped.
Burger must be careful. He is currently flying on past performances, like Habana. Time to step up.
9 Mar 2009, 13:37 pm
Hierdie hele thread is ‘n klomp kuk….. van Keohane se woorde, reg deur to die laaste comment voor myne hier…
Martie Martelgat se moerrrrrrrrrrr…. ons het ‘n groter martelaar in SA….. the “Vomit Comet” !!
Laat die outjie tog net rugby speel…… fokkkkkkk, dis waarvoor hy betaal word.
Ek hoef hom nie te like nie, julle kan hom like……. whatever…
Verder sal ek maar van hierdie topic afbly en so gou moontlik hierdie thread saboteer deur oor kuk en hare en kos en girls te chat eetder as hierdie pot snot !
9 Mar 2009, 13:37 pm
I think people are getting this Luke thing seriously wrong.
To me it is quite simple:
Firstly, more and more people in this country are seeing the Sprinkbok emblem as a symbol of unity.
Secondly, people who criticise Luke for his remarks are viewed as racists.
Thirdly, it is a well known fact that luke’s father has the whole cronie ANC attitude of self enrichment, therefore fueling the resentment for the attack on the emblem.
Lastly, even though Luke should be complemented as his political and social views has some nobility, he simply went the wrong way about it, and this is why most South Africans resent him. YOU DO NOT DISRESPECT AND INSULT OUR SPRINGBOK, EVER!!!!!!
To end off, the mighty Springbok has done more for this country post 1994 than any politician or political party ever will.
9 Mar 2009, 13:38 pm
Keo se tille rol vandag weer, dis verseker.
By the way, Keo, Luke Watson is part of Hillsong – a Protestant charismatic church – not the Catholic church. I don’t think he’ll take kindly to you trying to make a Catholic martyr out of him
That being said, St Luke the Evangelist in Catholicism is the patron saint of surgeons and physicians. Perhaps that’s what prevents injuries?
Perhaps every time Luke “disappears” in a match as his detractors claim, he is really actually saying a few Hail Maries?
9 Mar 2009, 13:38 pm
85/2 – Both Amla and Mackenzie are bowled out by Siddel.
Kallis and De Villiers are batting.
9 Mar 2009, 13:38 pm
#119 St.Petersburgbok:
Why so defensive? Just because I posted their head-to-head stats? That says allot about the stats doesn’t it?
People are making spies out to be 3-tmes the player Watson is, I like Spies allot and will pick him in my team ahead of Watson, but let’s keep some perspective.
9 Mar 2009, 13:39 pm
#151 ploos: I don;t see it as a symbol of unity. My view.
9 Mar 2009, 13:39 pm
Why does young Luke,
a mere rugby player,
command such a love/hate relationship with you okes?
-Is it his Name/Family.
-Is it his ability.
-Is it his “Alleged” utterances.
-Is it your own insecurity.
-Do many of you think of him, and his family, as Traitors in some way.
For a Stormers Loose Forward, who has played ..what…2 or 3 games for the Boks…….don’t you think this is a bit silly?
Or………..
and……
this is the real question. Is it MORE than all that?
9 Mar 2009, 13:39 pm
#143 WP Till I Die: I don’t understand – shouldn’t you be allowed to exercise the right (e.g. freedom of expression/speech etc) if it humiliates someone? What about if it humiliates yourself…should make SA politics interesting! LOL
Trek net jou been ou maat!
9 Mar 2009, 13:39 pm
Ira furor brevis est
9 Mar 2009, 13:39 pm
#144 hater: I’ve booooed a stripper once
9 Mar 2009, 13:40 pm
#148 greatest13gerber:
Yes. So is having an opinion, and expressing that opinion, as long as it does not amount to hate speech.
9 Mar 2009, 13:40 pm
bergbok
posts everything
twice
9 Mar 2009, 13:41 pm
#140 hater:
ah, but will you be as proud of the masses for voting in crooks like the Zoomer?
Or supporting plonkers like Joolius?
…the list is endless really.
But good for you for knit-picking all the white boer-afrikaaners you sanctimonious self-rightous know-it-all.
We may not be happy with the way our rugby is run by the Afrikaaners but lets not even start to consider that the Blacks would do a better job.
Stofile?……hahahahaha get serious? Better the devil you know.
9 Mar 2009, 13:42 pm
As ek net onslae kan raak van hierie jig knie dan gaat ek n comeback maak…
9 Mar 2009, 13:43 pm
#150 grootblousmile: Hello ek het jou op die ander thread geluk gewens met die Bulls, ek is net verlig ons het julle bietjie laat sweet.
9 Mar 2009, 13:44 pm
…another Monday blog on the little pipsqueek just to get hits…
9 Mar 2009, 13:45 pm
#159 K9 Pavement-special: Point made. Why. To humiliate her. You must be a real special guy K9.
Do others boo you when you take off your clothes.
9 Mar 2009, 13:46 pm
#156 cane: You must be loving this man… a nation divided, good post the locals sometimes gets caught up in the heat of things.
#159 K9 Pavement-special: Did she have a member?
9 Mar 2009, 13:47 pm
This is a K@K piece of **** posted for the second time please KEO go buy your self some new views with all that money the watsons are paying you, and keep your comments about the so called “Loftus louts” for the trips to the loo in the morning! .. on second thought….please dont cause it seems that that were you are doing most of your writing these days!!
9 Mar 2009, 13:47 pm
On another matter – all this Luke stuff is taking all the attention away from the fact that the WP tight five had a fantastic game. Not only were they on par with the Bulls fat-boys, but IMO they had the better of them in some facets of the game – especially the line-outs.
The only criticism I still have against them is that they do not commit enough guys to the rucks. I can remember at least twice where they lost the ball after multiple phases and being rucked off the ball. Luke may be a saint, be not even him can stand up to 5 or 6 Bulls players at a time!
9 Mar 2009, 13:48 pm
Terwyl die bulle en stormers so stront praat, praat die haaie op die veld in hoofletters.
Dis waar dit rerig saak maak.
9 Mar 2009, 13:48 pm
#161 Porra:
Porra types
every third
word in
a new
line
9 Mar 2009, 13:48 pm
#151 ploos:
Lastly, even though Luke should be complemented as his political and social views has some nobility, he simply went the wrong way about it, and this is why most South Africans resent him. YOU DO NOT DISRESPECT AND INSULT OUR SPRINGBOK, EVER!!!!!!
To end off, the mighty Springbok has done more for this country post 1994 than any politician or political party ever will.
WTF???What you on about? The bok has done more for modern SA than any other politician?
You need a History lesson
And whether you like it or not the Bok,just like OR NOT,any pre-94 emblems/literature etc IS NOT BEYONG REPROACH(There is large portion of this country that doesnt view the Bok in the light as you’ve expressed.THATS A REALITY)
YOUR VIEW/BELIEFS/COMMENTS IS NOT DOGMA,SO DONT PRESENT AS SUCH
9 Mar 2009, 13:48 pm
#166 hater: No, she didnt have a sense of humour….just like u!!!!
9 Mar 2009, 13:48 pm
Keo “St Luke slays Loftus louts”. Did I miss something. You compare Luke’s game to Wilson at Newlands. Wilson scored three tries. Did Watson score a try, no. Did Watson assist in scoring a try, no. Did he make breaks that lead his team to win the game, no. Did he do anything out of the ordinary to warrant your Sainthood heading, no. He had a decent game, as he does most of the times.
#140 hater: and I dispise people like the Watsons who use their political connections to enrich themselves. Who is backed by biggots such as his Hon Minister Stofile who were standing in the Springbok changeroom before and after the World Cup with Springbok jerseys taking all the accolades and then a year later speuing their vomit all over what was achieved.
9 Mar 2009, 13:49 pm
#164 Corndog: Hellooooo Mieliehond….. hehehe, ja ek het gesien jy se ek speel “Switserland” vandag…
Local derbies is woes, rof, onbeskof…. en die Stormers (WIE PIE) en die Bulle is tradisionele aardsvyande, so ek het tuff verwag maar innerlik gehoop die Bulls gee my ‘n mooooooooosa smile…
Maar nouja, 4 uit 4 vir die Bulls en die Sharks en die Tahs…. dis iets om oor te smile…
9 Mar 2009, 13:49 pm
#169 Kerneels: are you now “taking the possitives out of this match”
9 Mar 2009, 13:51 pm
#162 St.Petersburgbok: What do you know about my political views. Who I support. How do you know whether I’m a Freedom frony supporter, or Cope or IFP, or DA. You don’t. *******!
And by the way. This is a rugby blog and I’ll call GBS on you for bringing politics into rugby. Can you stick to rugby? Is it possible that you have a rugby comeback to my argument?
So what is it. Murderers over rugby ministers. Is that the devil you are comfortable with. I see. I’m not a killer, so maybe you ought to go look for some to cheer for.
9 Mar 2009, 13:52 pm
ek is honger…
9 Mar 2009, 13:53 pm
#176 Staal: Hehehe – nope Staal. I just thought the WP boys had the better of us in most of the tight exchanges. It is something we need to take note off before we play guys like the Sharks or the Waratahs…I can promise you they will be taking note!
(any attempting to change the topic!)
9 Mar 2009, 13:54 pm
#155 Hater: As a 25 year old white male I am extremely grateful to live in a democratic state. What makes our democracy so unique is that it is founded on reconcilliation. Do yourself a favour and read “Playing the Enemy”.
The old govt only used the Springbok to to prove that they can get at leat one thing right, it was merely a pawn. It never was in its true and original form a symbol for apartheid.
In 1906 Paul Roos came up with the name ‘Springboks’ in an interview.
9 Mar 2009, 13:54 pm
Question to our stats man (WPTID)
How many teams have scored zero in game?
9 Mar 2009, 13:55 pm
Hoekom werk die bold nie?
die kleur werk
die italic werk
maar ek sukkel skielik mettie
9 Mar 2009, 13:55 pm
WELL SAID MARK!!! I THINK LUKE LOVED EVERY BIT OF IT, HE LIVES OF THIS STUFF. HE WAS BORN IN CONTROVERSY. LOVED THE GESTURES LUKE!!! THE GAME NEED GUYS LIKE HIM. BAKKIES AND PAKSLAE ALSO HAD LOADS OF FUN ON THE DAY. BAKKIES COULDN’T WIPE THE SMILE OF HIS BAKKIES. HE LOVES A SCRAP.
9 Mar 2009, 13:55 pm
#162 St.Petersburgbok:
THERE WE GO
YOUR TRUE COLOURS ARE SHINING BRIGHT AND TRUE
THE MASSES SHALL VOTE WHICHEVER WAY THEY PLEASE
ITS THEIR RIGHT
TALK ABOUT SELF-RIGHTEOUS
9 Mar 2009, 13:55 pm
#177 hater: Didn’t Lorrie run over a lady with his bakkie?
9 Mar 2009, 13:55 pm
“Watson, like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible, thrives on confrontation and conflict”
Wat gaan aan met keo cronje vandag?
Sit en poep seker weer te veel op sy kamstige “designer” stoel.
9 Mar 2009, 13:57 pm
#160 WP Till I Die:
I haate Luke. full stop.
9 Mar 2009, 13:57 pm
#174 Die Griek: And I despise people who have corroded moral values.
Booing for Luke, no Booing for that Waterkloof vier player, that played for the Valke. No booing for Toks who called a black woman a :k@ffir vrou”, no booing for Tromp.
That tells me that certain South African’s are okay with the killing of black farm workers, and degrading of black woman, but not with a personal view expressed.
And you want me to learn to respect the bok emblem. What does it represent to me in the face of the above and your comments.
How can you expect me, to cheer for the boks in the face of the above, and the twisted moral views when it comes to the issue of Watson.
9 Mar 2009, 13:59 pm
1st, Luke played a good game, despite our best efforts in the crowd.But to go on about the “louts” at Loftus is unfair. his own holy stormer crowd did the same in Cape Town.Stormers supporters were joining in with the “louts” at Loftus.
Sure,he can play,and sure,nothing was ever done officially regarding his “alleged words”, but he also never denied it.He just said it was a private function and shouldn’t have been taped.Not even a denial.That is why we still can’t stand him.
He didn’t slay us or intimidate us, as we cannot do more than we did according to laws and such stuff.This will be proven the next time he is a Loftus.Whether as a Bok,Stormer or WP player.You don’t bite the hand that feeds you, a-hole.
9 Mar 2009, 13:59 pm
Jaaaaaaaa, fokofffffffff almal wat politiek hier praat…. ek is gatvol vir julle almal !
Donner, kom ons praat oor karre, girls sonder klere, musiek, kos en geld !!
Wonder watse KAR ry Lulu, hoe lyk sy GIRL SONDER KLERE, watse MUSIEK (behalwe hip-hop en rap) luister hy na, hoeveel KOS gee hy vir minderbevoorregtes en hoeveel GELD sy pa al regtig gesteel het ?
9 Mar 2009, 13:59 pm
#185 Kerneels: oh yes. that’s such an improvement.
9 Mar 2009, 14:00 pm
#186 Sheriff:
Hallo polisieman,
Jy is bo my op superbru, ek dog jy sukkel. Stem jy elke week teen die stormers?
9 Mar 2009, 14:00 pm
#187 greatest13gerber: And you know what. Even you are entitled to your view.
9 Mar 2009, 14:01 pm
#177 hater:
this is a luke watson topic…..and it then always about politics and rarely about the rugby. Keo’s entire sentiment.
But then(reading and basic education in general) is particularly poor amongst supporters(and it-is-ever-so-obvious-who-you-support) such as yourselves.
….that you would again start nit-picking specific crime is once again, amazingly stupid. (another deft clue pointing to who you will support come election time?)
9 Mar 2009, 14:02 pm
#182 Staal: Dis snaaks
9 Mar 2009, 14:02 pm
#167 Corndog:
Actually Corndog, I just feel sorry for the Guy.
“We can choose Our Friends, but we cannot choose our Family”.
9 Mar 2009, 14:03 pm
#180 ploos: Okay. If you say it was never a symbol. Name the black Springbok players from 1906 – 1947.
9 Mar 2009, 14:04 pm
#188 hater:
How do you attach all those despicable actions against the bok emblem?
I don’t understand….
9 Mar 2009, 14:04 pm
#191 hater: Just pointing out how stupid your argument is.
I bet you anything that 99% of the bloggers on this site will condone all those examples you named, and I can also guarantee that most of us Bulls Louts (well, this that BOO anyway) will BOO just as loudly if the Waterkloof prick runs onto the field.
It is not a case of if you dislike Luke you automatically qualify as a racist who is all for murdering a farm worker.
Now leave the silly stuff. Same goes for the guys arguing the other side.
9 Mar 2009, 14:04 pm
#190 grootblousmile:
marrag oom lasarus!
en daa sit allie doemproefiete wattie einde vannie wereld op loflus pensveld voorspel,
toe mossie pot ver mis!
hoe voel oom oorie wedstryd
en
is oom se keel darem nog orraait na allie geboe-ery!
o, en as oom vandag in ñ goeie mood is (wat ekkie dink moontlik issie) gie dan sommer vi my die poolcode vannie night owls op superbru (of is net vulle welkom?)
9 Mar 2009, 14:06 pm
#190 grootblousmile: DAARSY DIS MOS NOU DIE TIPE MENSE WAT ONS HIER SOEK…EK STEM SAAM EK’S GATVOL VAN AL DIE K@K COMMENTS. EK DINK DIE HELE LUKE BOO EFFEK WAS SNAAKS EN HET MYSELF GEBREEK. WAT WET EK JOU LUKE HET DIT OOK GELOVE. HY’S N KARAKTER IN EIE REG.
9 Mar 2009, 14:07 pm
#194 St.Petersburgbok: Yo are clearly retarded.
So if you know me sooo well. Is it fair for me to say, that you are an AWB supporter who left SA, for fear of the “swart gevaar” and is an ex-pat living in St Peter’sberg.
The kind of guy who enjoys killing black people and cheers and admires the ones that do? – Just expressing the racist, ridiculousness of your previous comment.
9 Mar 2009, 14:08 pm
#175 grootblousmile: Ja ek is lekker jaloers op julle. Maar ek is verlig dat die stormers voor bietjie die bulle aangevat het. Ek dink ons gaan julle en die sharks n paar gunse oorsee doen.
Ek het dit baie geniet toe Bakkies die bal so bo Duvenhage se kop hou en hy moet spring daarvoor, my dag gemaak.
#196 cane: Look my sentiments as well, I am just relieved he is trying to silence his critics by playing good rugby.
9 Mar 2009, 14:09 pm
#199 Kerneels: Kerneels. The point is those players did run on the park, and NO ONE BOOED.
9 Mar 2009, 14:09 pm
#194 St.Petersburgbok: EK STEM KEO IS SOMS N DUBBEL SINNIGE PRICK…REGTE JOERNALIS TIPE. HY SKAAR HOM NET BY DIE NUUS EN WAT SY OPINIE SAL LAAT GOED LYK. EN VERANDER OPINIE SOOS DIE WIND WAAI. HY SOU N GOEIE TRADER GEMAAK HET…ANYWAYS…EK RATE SY STUKKE(NIE ALS NIE) STEEDS. HY’S TEN MINSTE EERLIK, MEESTE VD TYD. HY’S NET TE POLITIES VIR MY OOK.
9 Mar 2009, 14:11 pm
#188 hater:
good post
ALL BASED ON FACT
9 Mar 2009, 14:12 pm
#192 Snoek:
So die wat bo jou is sukkel nie, maar wel die wat onder jou is?
Ek sukkel, glo my – elke keer as ek my oë uitvee dan is dit Donderdagaand en dan moet ek inderhaas my voorspellings instuur.
9 Mar 2009, 14:12 pm
#188 hater:
go on, just admit it. you just want all the Boks to be black.
except for luke, who we already know is an honourary black.
Do you honestly think there would be anything remotely resembling rugby infrastructure if the Watsons and Stofiles were running our rugby, if the Roses,Tybilka’s,Aplons,et al where masquerading as potential international players?
Come now, just admit it, those nasty “dutchmen” make south africa’s rugby turn round-and-round regardless of how much you despise them and how terribly unfair(apparently) they are to the black players.
Hell, if it wasn’t for those nasty ******** we’d be playing World Cup qualifiers against Zimbabwe,Mozambique and Sierra Leone. And Yes….I’m talking rugby. Soccer, we already know we can’t manage it. But then, there isn’t a ******** in sight when it comes to soccer is there?
9 Mar 2009, 14:13 pm
#198 Snoek: Those actions came from Springboks. Cheered and embraced when they ran on the park but the supporters of the Springbok and its emblem.
9 Mar 2009, 14:14 pm
#172:Machine gun: If you read properly I said that Luke should not have attacked the emblem the way he did.
The rugby public have had enough of political interference in rugby.
Oh just by the way, I can assure you that I am quite well read as far as our country’s history is concerned.
Also, I distinctly remember Nelson Mandela being quoted as saying that a politian could not do more than what the 1995 world cup victory did for this country.
9 Mar 2009, 14:14 pm
#200 ashley: Mirrag seun….
Die Oom is trots oppie Bulle virrie wen, maar waarsku die Bulle om die ooglopende foute te gaan regmaak voor die “Toer van Hel”…
Virrie Stormpies het ekkie woorde nie…. daasie ‘n kans dat julle nou meer semi’s gaan sien nie…. en ekkke begin te wonder of die Lions julle nie gaan trap komende naweek nie…
Ek wil in my broek skyt of op Rassie KOTS as hy so na ‘n game jubel en giggel van die lag oor die verloor van sy span… asof dit vir hom ‘n moooooooooosa joke is, wanneer die TV mense met hom ‘n onderhoud voer !
Ek is in ‘n goeie mood…. ek is mos maar altyd…. ek smile mos maar altyd….
Ek sal jou die pool-naam en Pool-code gee, maar ek dink as jy nou skuiwe gaan jy jou punte forfeit wat jy sover gekry het… dit het verlede jaar met ‘n klompie gebeur…. dan sit jy laaste, met jou duim in jou “ring” afgebreek….
Die pool is: Keo,s S14 Night Owls
Kode is: wilyever
9 Mar 2009, 14:15 pm
“Watson, like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible……” ouch, that will have hurt Luke more than all the booing at Loftus and the even more despicable booing that his Stormers brothers give him.
9 Mar 2009, 14:16 pm
#200 ashley: Ek sal vir jou die code gegee het maar kan dit nie onthou nie. Jy het seker ook eers gewag om n klomp punte te kry in n ander groep voordat jy ons join ne?
9 Mar 2009, 14:16 pm
#195 It is just a game: help!!! Ek sukkel skielik mettie bold!
9 Mar 2009, 14:17 pm
#214 Staal: Gebruik die woord “strong”. Jy’t seker gaan staan en bold tik.
9 Mar 2009, 14:18 pm
another luke thread to get the ”verkrampte” out of the woodwork! I see no difference between taxi drivers, julius malema and the crowds @ loftus, all low-class individuals this country is cursed with…
Hey where is gbs when u want him? Gbs keo thinks you need a new pair of eyes mate, you and your crew that were quick to tell us ”luke was average” on these blogs yesterday! Lmao!!
As for the soccer references on this thread, football in this country has always been non-racial! Go and google name like shane mcgregor, jimmy joubert, garth allardyce, these were heroes who risked being ostracised in their communities to go and play a game they love in places like soweto, mamelodi etc, football didn’t need to transform from a racial past like rugby, cricket etc!! When neil tovey captained the football national team in 96, there were no big headlines about him being ”the first white to captain bafana bafana” he was the captain period! When mandela handed over the ACN trophy to neil, there was no ”tolerance” message to be gleened from the moment because he was passing the trophy to THE captain ”mkhukhu”, so before people start making stupid comments about the makeup of the football squad, they better check themselves lest they come off ignorant!
9 Mar 2009, 14:18 pm
Moet mens orals nou hierdie kak lees.
9 Mar 2009, 14:19 pm
Keo seems to have forgotten that the crowd in Cape Town booed Luke last week? I am pretty sure thathe will get the same treatment when he comes to Durban and any other ground in South Africa, white, black, muslim, hindu…
9 Mar 2009, 14:19 pm
#215 It is just a game: O vet jy’s reg!!!
9 Mar 2009, 14:19 pm
#208 St.Petersburgbok: Wrong again. And you the one that wants them all to be white.
I think Jdv is a brilliant player, so is Bakkies, and Victor, Ruan is a revelation at 10, and Kanko and Rory Kocket are two of my favourites. I enjoy the game and appreciate skill from all players all around the world. I love JP Pietersen, and Adi Jacobs is doing a great job. I feel that Brian Habana is looking slack and so is Conrad Jantjies and Ricky January is too fat and slow. I think Beast is a hell of a find and Bismark although a little too aggressive, gave John Smit a run for his money! I think John is a good leader, but needs to lose some weight. Just objective rugby views.
The kind you do not have, and are incapable of having.
9 Mar 2009, 14:22 pm
Rugby fans cheer for murderer
Borrie la Grange Published:Mar 17, 2008
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‘This is an issue only because a k*ffir died’
After a week of outrage over the inclusion of one of the infamous “Waterkloof Four” in the Pumas provincial rugby side, convicted murderer Gert van Schalkwyk took to the field at the weekend and was cheered by fans.
Van Schalkwyk and three others — Christoff Becker, Frikkie du Preez and Reinach Tiedt — were found guilty in 2005 of murder and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Their appeal against the conviction and sentence will be heard next month.
The foursome beat a homeless man to death seven years ago in what was widely held to be a racist attack.
On Friday, Van Schalkwyk, who plays hooker, was on the bench for the Pumas Vodacom Cup game against the Free State Cheetahs in eMalahleni, formerly Witbank. Several local spectators rallied to his support.
“I’ll cheer him on, not because he is a murderer but because he is getting on with his life,” said Pumas fan JR Nagel .
He argued that the Waterkloof Four “made a mistake” and that it should be confined to the past.
“We all, even myself … my chommies (friends) and I have beaten up a couple of k*ffirs. You are young, that’s what you do. In those days your dad told you that’s kwaai (cool).
“The only reason this is an issue is because it’s a k*ffir who died and it was a white laaitie (boy) who hit him,” Nagel said.
Another spectator, Retha Taylor, said: “His personal life should have no bearing on his rugby career. We all have skeletons in our closets, but that should not stand in the way of doing our jobs.”
Dennis Mooniah disagreed: “It is simple. He should not be allowed to play. And that is that.”
Petros Mtshweni, a rugby coach, said Van Schalkwyk’s selection was ill-advised.
“He should not be allowed to play, not until the case has been finalised. If he does go on, then there is no justice and it sends out the wrong message. Why not wait until the conviction is overturned — when his name is cleared.”
Van Schalkwyk, who came on as a substitute with less than 15 minutes to go before the final whistle, could not prevent his team from losing 20-34 to the Cheetahs.
The highlight of his time on the field was a minor scuffle with Cheetahs wing Llewellyn Adonis.
After the game, Van Schalkwyk huffed : “Do think you’ll go to heaven, considering all that you are doing?
“Remove the wooden beam from your eye first,” he said, paraphrasing a line from the Book of Matthew.
Pumas spokesman Freddie Nel said: “I’m sure that boy does not sleep at night. Have a heart, leave him alone now.”
Minister of Sport and Recreation Makhenkesi Stofile has yet to comment on the situation.
SA Rugby Union legal affairs manager Christo Ferreira said the union had no rules preventing convicted criminals from playing.
Until Van Schalkwyk’s appeal is heard, Saru cannot prevent him from playing rugby, Ferreira said.
9 Mar 2009, 14:22 pm
I was impressed by the Sharks loose trio onn the weekend…the smaller boys like Bothes and Daniel showed size isnt everything…on the rugby field I mean.
Daniel is a talent waiting to be talked about as soon as this Watson cr@p is forgotten about!
9 Mar 2009, 14:22 pm
#208 St.Petersburgbok: true colours always come out
9 Mar 2009, 14:24 pm
#145 Robzim:
yes, thats probably the way to go, but francois louw is a fantastic player too, i hope he comes to the lions.
9 Mar 2009, 14:25 pm
#202 hater:
amazingly, I haven’t actually left SA.
And doubt very much that I would have posessed the basic-entry-level credentials(fluent afrikaans) to join the AWB.
but you keep living the dream pal.
jirree, it’s moes difficult to imagine a cape educated liberal middle class white not buying into this luke watson black supported horse ****.
9 Mar 2009, 14:25 pm
#143 WP Till I Die:
Actually, I was just asking what the difference is between cheering and jeering.
Sure luke can say what he likes, just as we can show him that we did not like what he said.
I think luke is just trying to pave the way for his dad and his future political carriers. I hope he can cope, if there ever is a change.
9 Mar 2009, 14:25 pm
#216 Transformation: Hier’s ek Frans Tormation….
Ek dink steeds Lulu se spel word onnodig verhef na plekke waaraan dit nie naasteby raak nie, deur sy “Groupies” en “Sektelede”…
Lulu was Saterdag nie sleg nie, maar ook nie uitermatig goed nie….
Ek sien eerlikwaar nie die “Messias op ‘n Donkie” soos julle nie….. net ‘n hiperkwaad seuntjie wattie weet waar hy meer in die lewe inpas nie…. genuine….
My opinie…. take it, don’t take it…. whatever… Barra Bing Ting Ting !
9 Mar 2009, 14:27 pm
#222 banana man: Daniel was brilliant this weekend in fulfilling the role of Deysel. He always committed 2 or 3 guys to the tackle. I thought the entire team played very well, those guys are a really well oiled machine at the moment.
9 Mar 2009, 14:28 pm
#227 grootblousmile: Geluk met jou span GBS. Olivier speel die beste rugby van sy loopbaan.
9 Mar 2009, 14:29 pm
#156 cane:
yes its the last one, why the watsons are so vehemently ostracised. many viewed his family a traitor and now view him as one for wanting to vomit on the bok jersey. thats the truth of it otherwise how else can you explain it?
9 Mar 2009, 14:29 pm
Hater and Machine gun: As much as i respect your views, the fact is that it all comes down to being positive and loving the game of rugby. Rugby and the Sprinkbok has done far more positive tha negative things.
Its about rugby guys, not colour, history or politics.
Sharks to win, 30% improvement still possible. Need to stay strong upfront and tighten the defence up in the last 10mins or so. Otherwise, extremely well balanced side.
9 Mar 2009, 14:33 pm
172 by mishini is the heart of it, but it takes a worldview most simply cannot comprehend.
9 Mar 2009, 14:34 pm
For sure Corndog…I think you are on the money about being well drilled. They seem to have so much confidence in each other and their game plan. In all four games the Sharks have been in different situations, going behind to the Stormers first half, having to defend at the death against a rampant Chiefs and then having to continue to build pressure against the Blues away. They appear to be like the All Black team three seasons agao where they never panic, confident in theiir ability and game plan…awesome to watch
9 Mar 2009, 14:40 pm
#213 Corndog:
nee, nie die geval nie. het weer soos gewoonlik tot op die laaste nippertjie gewag tot ek geregistreer het en het nie tyd gehad om toe die codes te kry nie.
9 Mar 2009, 14:40 pm
OK, julle klomp drolle, ek moet gaan werk….
Lekker dag !
9 Mar 2009, 14:42 pm
#231 ploos: There was a lot of damage Ploos. It’s still trying to be fixed. But I’m glad you are prepared to at least listen.
9 Mar 2009, 14:42 pm
#235 grootblousmile:
wel, dit kos ñ drol om ñ drol te herken …
9 Mar 2009, 14:43 pm
#228 Corndog: Corndog, the point is that there is no focus on individual talent in that team. They attack as a team, defend as a team and really seem to enjoy each others company. Contrast that with what the Stormers are doing. There are no Glory Boys in the Sharks side despite what the press writes and thats evidenced by the performance on the field, even they way they communicate with each other.
9 Mar 2009, 14:44 pm
I have never seen supporters so optimistic after a loss as the Stormers since saturday…on the other hand, some Bulls supporters are quite unhappy and we won!
Here is my take on Saturday:
What a **** game! Especially the first half! It was more like a test than s14. Nobody really stood out although some can feel happy with their performance. Too much off the ball stuff going on…
Stormers were excellent in the line-outs – well done Brits, Bekker and kie.
Duanne Vermeulen played well, so did Luke. As much as I dislike Luke, he had a good game but he also made some mistakes. The Stormers slowed down our possession really well, half the time illegally, so S Brits’s yellow card was deserved as they have been warned before.
Willem De Waal impressed with his tactical kicking and got the better of the Bulls in the first half. Percy took an AWESOME catch in the air!(Probably his second ever hehe)
Bulls had enough chances to take the game away from the Stormers and Matfield was plain stupid to try and kick 5m from the goalline when you have a two man overlap.
WO played well and had a better game than JDV, but JDV is still by far our best inside centre. Steyn and FDP also did their part.
Spies was more quiet this week and Bakkies were good. Bakkies must just be carefull not to become too aggressive. I know thats how he plays, but you dont want a yellow card.
The newbie Van der Heever can be satisfied with his first game.
All in all – Stormers threw everything at us which might mean they will be back to winning ways soon. It was a lot better than last week. Bulls didnt play that well but still managed to win which is a good thing.
After one third off the tournament gone – Im more than happy with 18 logpoints. Now we need three overseas victories.
Stormers will struggle to make the semis from here.
9 Mar 2009, 14:44 pm
i didnt see the game but saw the highlights.
surely getting into a scuffle when your team are defending for their lives and then having a go back at the crowd is a sign that the bunch of arseholes who were booing did get to watson?
i dont subscribe to the “luke as the black mans saviour” theory. i have it on very good authority that he was not liked at the sharks and was a disruptive influence.
that said, the man can play rugby and thats kinda what i watch rugby for, for rugby and not for the sideshow.
but if all the black people in the land feel that luke speaks for them, cool. i know plenty of white people who think that Dr Mangosuthu Buthelezi is a hero and agree with his views on a federal state.
9 Mar 2009, 14:44 pm
#222 banana man: Keegan played really well. Thought maybe we were going to miss Deysel but Keegan just doing really well now. The whole team played well really.
9 Mar 2009, 14:44 pm
#231 ploos:
Have always loved the game from an early age,was too big to play soccer plus the 95′ WC did me in..The game after that was my passion(have only ever missed 2 test matches by Boks since I was 11 yrs old)
But i will not put up the he nonsense that goes on this site and some views s held by some as if rugby is sacrosant..That BS
Sharks were great on the weekend,Botes/kanko/Daniel more than held their own.Punched above their weight.
Adi Jacobs is a SUPERSTAR
9 Mar 2009, 14:44 pm
LMAO!!! Nothing else to write about hey Keo!? Certainly Zimbabwean Rugby is more interresting that poor old St. Pukey
9 Mar 2009, 14:45 pm
nelson mandela, walter sisulu, desmond tutu, steve biko, chris hani, and even the watsons to a limited extent did far more for SA than any rugby world cup can or ever will do.
the real miracle is that it took a man of mandela’s saintly stature to embrace an emblem in the interests of reconciliation, which for his own ppl had become a symbol of oppression and hatred. there are many that can and will never forgive the springbok, it certainly is no-ones right to expect them to do so.
9 Mar 2009, 14:46 pm
#228 Corndog: of course, they have a kiwi coach dont they ??
9 Mar 2009, 14:46 pm
#233 banana man: I wish i was a sharks supporter…. Seriously hope the Stormers win some games away so they can help the Sharks and Bulls get home semi’s. We can achieve some good this year, maybe even win a few friends.
9 Mar 2009, 14:48 pm
#239 Supa Die Bloubul:
Finally a balanced view on the game.
9 Mar 2009, 14:49 pm
#242 mshiniwami: sadly i missed a few tests when i was guiding.
that really sucked but fortunately it coincided with a certain rudolph straueli………
9 Mar 2009, 14:49 pm
So let’s try and get some perspective.
We saw a week end of S14 that must surely be the worst rugby to watch ever.
I will exclude the Sharks/Blues game, as both teams attempted to play positively and displayed good skills and tactics.
The rest was absolute krap and it is no wonder that attendances are down.
As for the game at Loftus, it was played between the Stormers who came to try and not lose as opposed to trying to win, by employing negative tactics until the last 20 minutes, and a Bulls team who were bad on defence, bad at scrumming and nowhere near the level they will need to reach a semi final.
And all people want to talk about is an over rated and immature Luke Watson, who does himself no favours by fanning the flames instead of taking the moral high ground by acting with dignity.
His actions are not those of a hero, but rather those of somebody who creates division amongst people instead of bringing people together.
But hell Keo, with the standard of the S14 being so bad, I understand that you gotta pay the bills somehow, as the rugby is hardly worth writing about, unless you want to go on tour with the Sharks and learn about how the game is supposed to be played!!
9 Mar 2009, 14:51 pm
#245 poppa69: Could be. They certainly seem to make an impact wherever they go.
9 Mar 2009, 14:53 pm
Wptid @ 221,example of a a sick individual you can find in any city in the world. regardless. in bad taste what the guy had to say.
mshiniwami @ 206, hater @ 188. “That tells me that certain South African’s are okay with the killing of black farm workers, and degrading of black woman, but not with a personal view expressed.”
What has black got to with it? For all the facts. For all the way of thinking.
9 Mar 2009, 14:53 pm
#249 tight head:
Introduce a conference system asap with the top teams from each conference (SA, Aus and NZ) contesting for Super rugby honours.
Get rid of the deadwood in this comp.
9 Mar 2009, 14:53 pm
#245 poppa69: lol poppa, judging by this years performance by kiwi teams, plum is lucky he has some good old south african talent to work with
9 Mar 2009, 14:53 pm
#225 St.Petersburgbok: You missed the point. I was being ridiculous on purpose, to show you, how silly your assessment of me is. But it was lost on you. Why do I bother……..
ps: The Awb after listening to your views, would have made the exception. Just for you. You appear to have those personality traits they are keen for.
9 Mar 2009, 14:55 pm
#249 tight head: Hi agree with your views on most of the games this weekend. Canes Cheetahs as well as the Crusaders game. I was thinking about the posts here last week during the Bulls stormers game and the Stromers did exactly what you said is winning games for teams. They kicked the ball into the Bulls half and made them attack from there. The Stormers also for once put the hard yards into the forward game (imo) and could have started keeping the ball in hand earlier in the game.
All in all the Bulls showed character, they had an off day ut still held on for the points. It bodes well for them for the overseas tour as they will have to show a lot more of that grit in the coming weeks.
9 Mar 2009, 14:56 pm
south africa holding out so far.
145-2.
shhhhhh……..
9 Mar 2009, 14:56 pm
Hater and machine gun: my final thought on the matter:
Yes there is factual merit in both your arguments. But lets move on and appreciate the fact that we live in a country where rugby can unite people. Lets embrace the Springbok emblem as a symbol of reconcilliation and for it to symbolise that the people of this country can rise above diversity.
Machine gun I was devastated when deysel was injured, but Daniel is making a serious name for himself. He strengh is seriously underestimated.
9 Mar 2009, 14:59 pm
#245 poppa69: lol. A kiwi coach with some superb talented players. You have to have both to do well.
How you poppa? Hope well mate. Did you watch any S14 on the weekend?
9 Mar 2009, 14:59 pm
#247 PissAnt:
I find it strange that people can make assumptions on one or two things that happened in ONE game of a season.
Like some of the above posts: “WO is better than JDV because he had a better game” or “Luke is better because he ript the ball from Spies”.
Surely you have to look at players over a season or at least a few games and not one spesific incident or match?
9 Mar 2009, 15:01 pm
#252 PissAnt:
I agree PA.
I also think the “dead wood” as you put it, is not only a result of franchise weakness in finance, marketing and player resources, but that many coaches have been found out.
The Sharks are playing the same laws as everybody else, but you wouldn’t think so when listening to some of the coaches and seeing how they are approaching the game tactically.
9 Mar 2009, 15:02 pm
I see the Stormers are only 7 points behind the Canes…. If they can start winning they can still make the play-offs….
9 Mar 2009, 15:03 pm
#256 rangerman: Yes, If only we batted like that on Saturday. GS out injured with a broken finger to the other hand. So a batsman short.
Rules in cricket should change. There should be replacements allowed. If a player has a injury that the x-ray says is a fracture another batsmans should be allowed to come in.
We have replacements in rugby and soccer.
If we could hold out for a draw here that would really put a negative into the Aussies. Just cant see it happen. Once one of these batsman go out we only really have JP to come. The others just add a few runs.
9 Mar 2009, 15:05 pm
#248 rangerman:
You are lucky…I would have missed if I knew itd have turned out the way it did I would have been happy to miss ALL OF IT
LOL
9 Mar 2009, 15:06 pm
#232 pommie: cmon!
9 Mar 2009, 15:08 pm
#262 Puma: agreed. second time it has happened to smithy unfortunatly.
eish!
9 Mar 2009, 15:08 pm
#261 THE MAULER:
Agree, the other teams in the comp is playing so badly that it actually keeps the door open for the stormers.
Stormers seems to play better away from home. Maybe they don’t like it in the Cape.
9 Mar 2009, 15:08 pm
#261 THE MAULER: Their draw very tough. They play Canes, Tahs, Brumbies and if Saders start to play well they also have them over there. Also they go to NZ then to OZ then back to NZ. They have the tour of hell really. Lots of travel. Going to be tough. At least Bulls head of to NZ play all their games there and go to OZ then come home.
9 Mar 2009, 15:08 pm
#267 Puma: of = off
9 Mar 2009, 15:09 pm
#232 cab:
no, you are mikstaken.
We/I can cromprehend…..personally,I just don’t particularly care how offensive it is to some people.
I like the Bok emblem, I want it to stay.
Should I campaign to have the name Bafana Bafana changed…..it may not be racially offensive, but ridiculously stupid, which in turn I take offence?
No,I adopt a “whatever” attitude and get on with it.
There are plenty of examples across the board that could be constituted as “offensive” to my personal being.
Do you think that when Paul Roos coined the phrase, “the Springbokken”…he was thinking to himself…”nice one, this will piss those blacks back home off?”
what about the Oliver Tambo airport?
Ridiculous dof situation that I take offence with.
Bless his sole the activist that he was. But are we to change the name of every afrikaaner that ever lived.
Why should the historic relevence of Afrikaaners in forging the identy of South Africa be down played just because at some stage years before you or I where born an african tribe was conquered by this person? An african tribe that was up until that point happily hacking it’s neighbouring black tribe apart anyway?
don’t be dof….the strugglers need to start getting over themselves, it is now genuinely holding back our countries progress.
again, I comprehend, it just that I don’t particulalry care.
Of greater concern is the ruling parties hope of getting a 2/3 majority in the next election so that the president elect can ammend the consitution, enabling himself to wangle out of appearing in a court of law.
It will not be racism that sends our country to zimbabwe, it will be corrupt and crooked politicians.
So, the watsons and all his other cronies should just start concerning themselves with other things in my opinion. Our rugby, what it represents,who runs it and how it is run….may not be perfect, but it is just not that big an issue in the greater scheme of things in SA.
9 Mar 2009, 15:10 pm
#263 mshiniwami: man, i was out on drive and came back fired up to hear if we had beaten the poms and my mate looks like he wants to break down…
what happened i ask?
55-3 he reckons….and my heart fell into my vellies
i still havent watched that game, maybe i never will.
9 Mar 2009, 15:10 pm
#257 ploos: Have you ever thought how insulting it is that we must embrace the Springbok emblem. Since reconcilliation is the aim, why not go for an emblem that is new and fresh and untainted by any past evils and oppression.
By the by, still waiting for your list of black Springboks from 1906 – 1947.
9 Mar 2009, 15:10 pm
This weekend will be tough to call the games, at least betting on the sharks is a definate point on superbru.
9 Mar 2009, 15:13 pm
#265 rangerman: Yes what a pity. Its now the other hand. We really now do not have any genuine openers. Think thats what we need. A genuine opener to open with Smith when he gets over this injury. For Newlands they will probably keep NM (who I feel is really out of form and should make way for Prince) with Amla to open. Hope it works.
9 Mar 2009, 15:14 pm
We now have a game where the law makers have stuffed up the breakdown to the extent where coaches are happy to do whatever it takes such as kicking the hell out of the ball all day, in order to avoid the breakdown.
This is especially true in a tight scoring game with not much time left on the clock.
The reality is that nobody, including coaches, players, fans and refs knows what is going on at the breakdown, and the tragedy is that games are being won or lost based entirely on refs interpretations at the breakdown.
At any breakdown, you run the risk of a penalty or yellow card based purely on the ref of the day, whether you are the attacking or defending team.
It is a lotttery.
9 Mar 2009, 15:14 pm
#269 St.Petersburgbok:
but can you comprehend, really? can any of us? did you or your father ever get beaten by a sjmabok, prevented from going to the beach, from having a **** on the baas’ toilet, from getting a proper education…i doubt it very much.
Most simply do not get it. They think the Springbok is a sacred symbol, its not, the only think vagely sacred is the way one very great man tried to rally ppl behind it in the spirit of compromise, otherwise it too, would have been erased from history.
why are ppl demanding an apology for someone telling the truth?
the whole of the world wanted to vomit on the springbok jersey, this is what watson was saying and rugby was indeed run by dutchmen. why is this a shock? everyone knows this.
as for the booing, it only gets watson to play better, he revels in it, we will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them on the rugyby field, and we will never surrender.
9 Mar 2009, 15:15 pm
hater
you can now
make
a sexual departure
or just plain
voertsek
9 Mar 2009, 15:15 pm
“like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible”
Subtle Keo, very subtle.
9 Mar 2009, 15:16 pm
and the funny thing is i bet you most whites reading this very site dont even know who oliver tambo is, thats the whole point about a worldview that will never be comprehended.
9 Mar 2009, 15:17 pm
#277 Ig:
funny stuff tho.
9 Mar 2009, 15:17 pm
#273 Puma: ja, i agree NM should make way for prince. prince has been very poorly treated imo.
9 Mar 2009, 15:18 pm
#267 Puma:
Stormers do seem to tour ok… If they can win 3 or 4… then its very possible…. Canes difficult.. Brumbies easy.. Tahs difficult… Saders look an easy beat and Highlanders should be a win…
9 Mar 2009, 15:18 pm
#272 hater: Have you ever considered getting over yourself and moving on? There are countless things in life which are insulting to black people, white, brown and Indian people on a daily basis. It is however only destructive to take everything personally. Just get over it dude. I dont care if it is insulting to you. Like do you care that it is insulting for me as a white person to have to drop my national anthem to conform with you? No, I am sure you don’t care – but you know what – neither do I becasue I know it means alot to many people in this country to keep and claim a part of their heritage.FFS
9 Mar 2009, 15:19 pm
Indeed Cab. Very funny. I see you still having the same argument with the same plonkers.
9 Mar 2009, 15:19 pm
#278 cab:
Is he one of the fictional characters Ig just quoted out of the article?
Yeah Ig, I was sure the whole thread will be centered around that debate and not so much Watson!
9 Mar 2009, 15:20 pm
#16 XhosaKid: Because Tromp went to prison for his crime. While he was in prison, he didn’t play rugby for anyone, did he?
9 Mar 2009, 15:20 pm
#278 cab: i dont think this is true cab. we have a divided history and some very nasty figures on both sides but need to respect each others genuine heroes imo.
it is never just take or give.
but empathy is impossible and sympathy seems hard to come by.
time will hopefully change all this.
9 Mar 2009, 15:21 pm
#278 cab:
Most of the world don’t know who he is either, so does that still make it a worldview?
9 Mar 2009, 15:21 pm
#283 Ig:
#284 PissAnt:
lol, no doubt keo had a bit of a chortle when writing this, but there’s alot of truth.
9 Mar 2009, 15:22 pm
#269 St.Petersburgbok:
St.Petersburgbok
We/I can cromprehend…..personally,I just don’t particularly care how offensive it is to some people.
Well with that type of thinking,CONVERSELY-Nobody gives a **** of what you think and thus making the rest of your post absolescent
what about the Oliver Tambo airport?
Ridiculous dof situation that I take offence with.
Bless his sole the activist that he was. But are we to change the name of every afrikaaner that ever lived.
Why should the historic relevence of Afrikaaners in forging the identy of South Africa be down played just because at some stage years before you or I where born an african tribe was conquered by this person? An african tribe that was up until that point happily hacking it’s neighbouring black tribe apart anyway
WTF????
YOU ARE AN IDIOT
9 Mar 2009, 15:22 pm
which chapter of the bible featured st luke?
9 Mar 2009, 15:23 pm
#287 Paws:
you’d be surprised what the world knows of SA.
i had a pommie mate who greeted me every morning in the office with the words “Free Steve Biko” … do you know who steve is…didn’t have the guts to tell him we actually hung him.
9 Mar 2009, 15:23 pm
#274 tight head: It just looks like everyone knows it will only be a short arm for at least the first 30 mins if you do something wrong so they take chances. It has really made it very easy to slow the game down without conceding penalties.
It also can’t be easy for the refs, the poor guy didn’t know whether to give long arms or short arm penalties as he was reffing 6N the prior week. They are definitely earning their salaries at the moment.
9 Mar 2009, 15:23 pm
#276 Porra: I’m gonna safe this response Porra, for everytime I say how intollerant this blog is to different views.
Instead of comming up with your argument, you call names. “A sexual departure” – Is that how you speak to most women. Is that how you were raised.
I really feel sorry for you. I would have welcomed your views. But I see you are incapable of articulating them.
9 Mar 2009, 15:23 pm
is keo the pope?
surely only the pope can confer sainthood?
9 Mar 2009, 15:24 pm
#271 hater:
Then America and the UK and Spain and the rest of the world must change everything from flags to sport team emblems to Abraham Lincholn statues tec….
9 Mar 2009, 15:24 pm
#18 Dazzler: He never denied saying Dutchmen. He never apologised for his comments, he never explained anything, he and his whole band of apologists just said that the function was private (if there are enough people a function is de facto public) and he got off on a technicality, not on merit. If he’d taken the high road and come clean, nothing would have happened. Instead, he walks around unrepentant and acts as though he’s the aggrieved party? He’s a dinosaur, who still believes that white Afrikaners are bad. When he insults them, doesn’t apologise and they then take it out on him, why is he surprised?
9 Mar 2009, 15:25 pm
#288 cab:
For the love of all that is holy just don’t bring Craven into this!
9 Mar 2009, 15:26 pm
#290 mshiniwami: I will bever bless that man’s sole. Never in my life. Some souls do deserve blessing however, maybe even Thambo’s.
9 Mar 2009, 15:26 pm
#293 hater:
You are in exactly the same boat!!!
9 Mar 2009, 15:27 pm
#291 cab: Steve Biko was not hung. he died of head wounds (sustained whilst being detained by the apartheid security police).
helen zille broke the story. malema reckons she is a typical white “madam”.
Steve’s Black Conciousness movement members were basically slaughtered by the ANC (if you can believe Rian Malan in his book “my traitors heart”).
9 Mar 2009, 15:27 pm
“bever” read “never”
9 Mar 2009, 15:28 pm
Luke Watson is like a kite, a contrary wind takes him higher
9 Mar 2009, 15:28 pm
well hater
no woman
can be as
hateful
as you are
in your
anal retentive
postings
so i doubt
you being
a woman
if you are
then start acting
like one
9 Mar 2009, 15:29 pm
#275 cab: Cab agreed and the argument cuts both ways. People have a right to question the springbok symbol on the basis of its association with an era of injustice to some but by the same token those very same people need to apply the same pricniples to the injustice currently being carried out within the current governments protection of alleged criminals. The problem of course is that the folks questioning the symbolic presence of the Springbok are of the opinion that not enough restitution has been made within Rugby circles (and hang onto Lukes statements as an example and living proof) and therefore are not willing to recognise and accede to the credence of arguments from the other side as it were. And so we go on and on and on. Without forgiveness you will get nowhere. It takes a big man to forgive when he has every right to demand restitution. Its called Grace.
9 Mar 2009, 15:30 pm
#297 PissAnt:
lol, on craven, watson was right there too, why are their stadiums named after this guy, when ppl are up in arms when real heros like Tambo, Sisulu, Biko, Hani get things named after them. These are ppl who have inspired ppl the world over, who’ve won nobel prizes for their efforts…and instead i watch some young white SA malcontent on youtube bitching about ‘has anyone ever f’ng heard of oliver tambo’? well actually yes they have.
9 Mar 2009, 15:30 pm
#282 pommie: Are you saying that apartheid is part of your heritage and that you would like to embrace it and have the freedom to do so?
9 Mar 2009, 15:31 pm
Hater, it is a well established fact that people who want the emblem changed are in the minority. A minority led by by power hungry politicians who know **** about the sport, and who are even a f@ucking minority in their own party, as I recall the the ANC clearly stating that the party has no plans to change the emblem.
Buy yourself a journal and write down all your negative views and b@llshit thoughts. That way we dont have to read it. It might also have theraputic affect.
Until they eventually scrap the emblem why dont you support another team.
9 Mar 2009, 15:32 pm
#33 XhosaKid: Your second whine about this, so I’ll comment again: Tromp went to prison for his crime, which he deserved. He wasn’t booed because he didn’t play. Tromp was punished – why isn’t Watson punished? (Because SARU screwed up the disciplinary hearing)
9 Mar 2009, 15:32 pm
#292 Corndog:
Exactly Corndog.
The breakdown laws have achieved exactly the opposite effect to that which they were designed for!!
9 Mar 2009, 15:32 pm
#300 rangerman:
sorry, quite correct, tortured then beaten, but they did have a hanging chamber or something to do with it, i saw it at the apartheid museum, yessus they were a terrible bunch.
9 Mar 2009, 15:32 pm
#291 cab:
Yep, I know enough to know we did not hang him.
I think you might be surprised how little the world actually know or care about SA. The extreme liberals and PC bunch were the ones who cared and made a big noise, otherwise, not really.
I always was given the impression that everybody knows / knew who Nelson Mandela was, but it all depends in which circles you move. The liberal PC artsy fartsy world it’s very PC and needed, but not at all so much elsewhere.
9 Mar 2009, 15:32 pm
Are you people still at it?
9 Mar 2009, 15:33 pm
#305 cab: Craven. A guy who said no black person will EVER be a Springbok, has a stadium at Stellies named after him.
9 Mar 2009, 15:35 pm
#306 hater:
Are you in CT city centre?
If so, come to Firemans on Thursday. It will be with a bunch of whities, but I think you’ll survive.
9 Mar 2009, 15:35 pm
cab
you have
most of your
facts
by the
***
just like your
biko hanging
none of those
you mentioned
got a
nobel prize
9 Mar 2009, 15:35 pm
#311 Paws:
you reckon? good luck trying to impress that opinion when going abroad, unless its to a KKK meeting. Your notion of a south african liberal is akin to a western conservative, south african liberal, dont make me laugh, there’s no such thing.
9 Mar 2009, 15:36 pm
#313 hater: wasnt errol tobias a bok under him?
anyways, out. cheers all.
9 Mar 2009, 15:37 pm
#309 tight head: I was originally for the changes to the law’s, it sounded like a good idea, hind sight of course is a great thing and I think it is plain for all to see that they were not such a good idea. Anyway what can we be if we can’t be wrong.
#312 Dawn: It’s like Bold or 7de laan on here, you only have to check in once every 2 hours and you will know what’s going on.
9 Mar 2009, 15:37 pm
Ai ai ai, ek sien die hele banana republic is weer vandag hier met hul opstokery en ge-toitoiery. Snaaks hoe party van die ape net hul gevrete wys as daar politiek gepraat kan word. Seker maar omdat hulle nie ergtig in rugby elangstel nie. Sad world….
9 Mar 2009, 15:37 pm
u okes are actually going to argue that it was that he was tortured and beaten, rather than hanging? yeah thats alot better.
bladdy terrible bunch, they were lucky to not all have been rounded up and hung.
9 Mar 2009, 15:37 pm
#253 rangerman: lol ranger, our teams always start off slowly, and work their way into the season, lets hope the sharks dont fall by the wayside
9 Mar 2009, 15:40 pm
#258 Puma: hey Puma, yes watched my team lose to the sharks, was disappointed with the way they played, but have to admit the Sharks defended well and took their opportunities…
9 Mar 2009, 15:40 pm
I don’t understand why calling an Afrikaaner a ******** is so offensive. In reality thats where the Afrikanner descend from.
Seriously – by taking offence you are denying your heritage….
9 Mar 2009, 15:41 pm
#314 Dawn:
She might get beaten or hanged or something… It wont happen…
9 Mar 2009, 15:42 pm
Aaah
The apartheid museum.
I’m sure there is not an ounce of bias or untruths there.
Rugby wise:
I was helluva disappointed in how much off the ball stuff was going on, most from the bulls. If it werent for this the bulls would have won convincingly, but instead they felt the need to play the man and not the ball.
I hope they’ve learnt from this.
4 point victory?
hahahahha
9 Mar 2009, 15:42 pm
#313 hater:
Hater, get you facts straight. That was some very clever editing by whoever it was that posted that video on you tube and Luke happened to get sucked into it as well.
What Craven actually said and what was so conveniently edited out was that no black person would play for SA with the current government in rule.
He actually then became one of the first prominent people in SA rugby to start developing local talent.
Please dont post that **** here when you dont know the facts.
9 Mar 2009, 15:43 pm
#289 mshiniwami: He is an idiot. Oh my God. I keep forgetting that people like you really exist. #317 rangerman: They were referred to as something else. Like that Miss SA lady Dawn something was Miss Africa South, not Miss South Africa. Danie made sure they were properly insulted.#314 Dawn: No I am not in Cape Town. And I survive very well with white people. Thanks for the invite. I’ll give you the heads up, next time zi’m in Cape Town.
9 Mar 2009, 15:43 pm
cab
no arguing
about that
just arguing
about
your lack
of knowledge
don’t use
examples
that are
totally
wrong
it makes one
doubt you
in general
9 Mar 2009, 15:43 pm
#321 poppa69: Like I remind the leaders on Superbru, the S14 is a marathon not a sprint race. But so far the signs are good for Sharks and Bulls, I think the best thing shown by both teams are winning games when they not at their best.
9 Mar 2009, 15:44 pm
Nothing good about apartheid Stawn – anyway you look at it. So their is no bias to convey, nor half truths.
9 Mar 2009, 15:44 pm
#305 cab:
I have always said I support the game of rugby first, and all these other side-shows I take on as entertainment value or pissing on peoples batteries when I am in the mood.
My political, religious or any conviction has **** all to do with the game of rugby.
Rugby as a game in SA has survived many (much more extreme) views and rules with regards to politics and religion and my little rhu-rhaaa won’t change that either.
Rugby will survive it all again, as it will survive each and every one of us.
Ensuring the future of the game supercedes anything for me, and that includes any religious or political views people want to attach to it.
My association with rugby is the game itself, not some past person who is now dead, or some symbol, or a flag.
I coached in another country and I can tell you, the game is played the same way there, with the same passion – no jersey or symbol, or political or religious view will ever take that away.
Hell political laws even tried once and even that failed…
9 Mar 2009, 15:45 pm
#326 Biggles: You will never convince me that Craven was some kind of hero. He followed the letter of that government to the letter. Other’s did not. They stood up for the right thing.
9 Mar 2009, 15:45 pm
#328 Porra:
fair enough, and u are quite right to doubt me, since am often wrong, but not on purpose.
9 Mar 2009, 15:46 pm
#326 Biggles: You are wrong about the quote. I’m going to look for it for you.
9 Mar 2009, 15:46 pm
#316 cab:
Where do you think I got this opinion? Here in SA .. hahaha ..
at least I don’t need to got to the apartheid museum to know the history of our country.
“Free Biko”, perhapse it was “Free Mandela”, a very knowledgeable Englishman indeed.
SA is not as important as we think it is out there in the big bad world.
9 Mar 2009, 15:46 pm
#329 Corndog: always a sign of a decent team when they do that corndog… but I have also been impressed with some of the new talent coming out of (after reading this blog) a still somewhat divided SA
9 Mar 2009, 15:47 pm
#323 Ig: Its like calling an Irishman an Englishman cause he’s from the British Isles.
Don’t go off now, does it?
9 Mar 2009, 15:47 pm
#323 Ig: For the same reason we dont go around calling Blacks “non-believers” any more.. And he did not call them Dutchmen because they are from Holland, not all Afrikaans speaking people are from the dopesmokinglowlands. Most of us are from Germany and France and even England. If he used the “Dutchmen” word, he meant it in a derogative way, I can promise you that
9 Mar 2009, 15:47 pm
#323 Ig: Hahahaha. Good point.
9 Mar 2009, 15:47 pm
#274 tight head: Hi Tighthead.
I agree it is a lottery but where is the confusion exactly? Is it the refs not being good enough, or the laws too vague, or the players cheating?
Correct me if I am wrong, but this is the general run of play:
1 A player in possession of the ball gets tackled.
2 At this point there is no ruck, the tackler can ensure the player is held. Also the tackled player can either offload the ball or pop it backwards from the prone position.
3 Only when a third or more player joins the contest is it considered a ruck. Sometimes a ref will call it.
4 The tackled player is allowed to present the ball backwards towards the feet of the cleaners and steady it, but not so much as to be considered holding onto it . He IS allowed to be touching the ball while laying down. But many players do not at all for fear of the ref’s interpretation.
5 The tackler has to immediately roll away, or spring to his feet to contest for the ball against the cleaners/fetchers of the tackled player.
In theory it is simple. Perhaps the lottery part is timing?
When exactly is it deemed a tackler is not rolling, or is simply ensuring an effective conclusion to a tackle?
At what second is the pop pass considered fine, or playing the ball on the ground?
When is it OK for the cleaners to dominate, without being blown for falling on the ball, sometimes unavoidably?
When is it that the tackler is spoiling for not rolling away, or genuinely trapped in the ruck?
In my opinion it is not only the refs fault here, but some of the honesty of rugby has been lost due to the win-at-all-costs mentality fueled by professionalism. If the players had genuine respect for the laws then all this cheating in the grey areas would probably make the reffing a lot easier.
9 Mar 2009, 15:49 pm
#303 Porra: This from a man who cannot write more than three words in one line. Do you avoid the cracks on the pavement too, and wash your hands seven times before leaving the bathroom?
9 Mar 2009, 15:49 pm
#330 Ig:
Agreed – on the humanity side nothing good about apartheid.
Re half truths – disagree. Of course there must be, on both side.
Just like the current issue with the ANC, saying that Cuito Cuanavale was a huge defeat for the then SADF. Do you believe this just because its the governing body saying it, or should you dig deeper.
9 Mar 2009, 15:49 pm
Ig
Where is
my post
9 Mar 2009, 15:49 pm
#331 PissAnt:
yes, there are a handful of ppl that are truly just concerned with rugby, you are one of them imo, but the overwhelming majority hold other views and agendas, myself included.
often those that shout the loudest about keeping politics out it, are the very same one’s who turned a blind eye to all the injustice going on, others are just plain ignorant.
but this article is about politics, and its about watson who has been politicised for his statements and beliefs, and everyone of them is well known and yet ppl expect apologies, madness.
its also funny how much the okes who ‘just want to talk rugby’ seem to post on these topics, if they not interested, why not post on the others?
9 Mar 2009, 15:50 pm
anyway hater
apartheid
gives you
the reason
to hate
and that is
what you
thrive on
so in a sense
you’re
the other side
of the same coin
9 Mar 2009, 15:51 pm
#340 rugby911: even before professionalism, players in rugby (and any other sport for that matter) always pushed the laws to the limit, its what makes the great players legends… these are also known by another name, innovations that advance the game…
9 Mar 2009, 15:52 pm
#336 poppa69: That’s what we do, we moan fight , make noise and *****. We love it and we are not as different as we would like to believe.
9 Mar 2009, 15:53 pm
#307 hater: Apartheid is part of South Africa’s heritage. No I do not want to embrace it. I live my life quite happily without doing so. Are you ready to get over yourself?
9 Mar 2009, 15:53 pm
#335 Paws:
no doubt, SA is a piss-willy country in most senses of the word, totally isolated and yet look at all the heros and history its produced, and most are unware of it or not interested. shaka, smuts, ghandhi, mandela, churchill, tutu – these are the biggest names of modern history – all from the isolated dustpatch at the tip of africa.
9 Mar 2009, 15:55 pm
#318 Corndog:
Are you in CT?
9 Mar 2009, 15:55 pm
#346 poppa69: That is so true watched a programme on the ’56 (I think) AB vs Boks series on ESPN. Apparantly the AB’s selected a heavy wheight boxer called Skinner in the front row and he basically just beat the **** out of the SA props.
9 Mar 2009, 15:55 pm
#304 bananaboy: Please mate, do not ever equate what happened under apartheid to what is happening in the country today.
9 Mar 2009, 15:56 pm
Stawm, Agreed. At no stage did i suggest the opponents of apartheid where angels.
And for the sake of the argumentative nature of this thread is your view any different because a bunch of local generals said it was a massive victory for them?
Personally and i have read a good deal about it – it sounds like a good start for the saffa with the cubans arriving in the nick of time to force a stalemate and make it pointless short of sending a bunch of kids to their death for the sake of what it sounded like was a bridge.
Anyways i digress. I hope you well mate !
KingPaul – The reality is despite your dream of a multi national start the Afrikanner stems from the Dutchmen from those fine meadows of weed.
9 Mar 2009, 15:56 pm
#344 cab:
Yes you are right.
It is the topic and the issue does have merit in being debated.
I have given my views on booing and Watson.
I hate booing in rugby and I look at Watson no further than Watson the rugby player.
I have my views on him as a person but I simply feel I cannot discuss, raise or defend or debate it in a public domain as;
a) I dont know the guy
b) My political/religious views are more radical than his imo
c) It has fark all to do with rugby.
I have no problem with people doing so like is happening now, I simply just cannot participate in a meaningfull conversasion about this type of topic as my political/moral/religious opinions or views are far less educated than my rugby ones.
So I just shut up!
9 Mar 2009, 15:56 pm
#340 hater: Very good point indeed. Sam reason why being called a ‘******’ should not arouse any ill feelings in a brown person from the Cape – or am I mistaken here? Logic isn’t it? haha
9 Mar 2009, 15:57 pm
#332 hater:
Well thats just your problem then. And i’m not trying to make him look like a saint like some people do on this site. Look all you want, but thats the fact of it.
What i want to know is what Watson really complaining about?
We have a black coach, who has his detractors and his fans but seems to be doing a good job and has good credentials.
We have a black person at the head of SARU overseeing the trasnformation process and who seems to be doing a good job.
At provincial level we have some unbelievable talent coming through the sytem and not only playing but playing unbelievably well.
At one point last week half the Bulls team were players of colour, this at a team that everyone, including Luke, looks at as the bastion of ‘Dutchmen’ rugby.
So really, what is Watsons gripe?
9 Mar 2009, 15:58 pm
#323 Ig:
Hello sexy. At the risk of sounding banal and boring and twee.
9 Mar 2009, 15:58 pm
#350 Dawn: No I am now plying my trade in the metropolis of JHB.
9 Mar 2009, 15:58 pm
#347 Corndog: would love to see a united SA, then when the AB’s beat the Boks again (whats new), at least all the excuses would then be in unison lol
9 Mar 2009, 15:59 pm
cab
churchill
is not from
south africa
9 Mar 2009, 16:00 pm
what has Watson done that is so morally reprehensible to be the first player in our history to merit such a reception?
i mean we’ve had tyrants controlling our game, murderers and racists playing it and not a peep.
something not quite right hey.
9 Mar 2009, 16:01 pm
Forget all this racist rubbish and talk Rugby!!!
I think the Stormers and Bulls can beat the Crusaders away no problem!!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:02 pm
#359 Porra:
you got me again.
i chuck a tomato at you.
9 Mar 2009, 16:03 pm
#353 Ig:
All good Ig
For the sake of the argument, I was there in 87 at CC.
It was a resounding victory for SADF. There never was any intention to conquer any town, never any need to, only to stop the downward march of the cubans, which we did and they diverted to a westerly approach etc – the rest is history.
My point is that now a few ANC politicos want some fame, they decide to name the SADF a loser, some 20 years after the battle, and create new heroes for themselves.
They just sommer rewrite history. Future generations will see it this way.
History is written by the victors.
Now I seriously doubt the validity of the history I learnt at school!
9 Mar 2009, 16:03 pm
How you doing Dawn? Why do you guys always do drinks on Thursday – i always have f#$^^^#%& lectures.
Cab – Not right indeed.
9 Mar 2009, 16:04 pm
What I found really funny was that the majority of the 50000 crowd were shouting things like “K****R Boetie”, “Soutpiel”, and any other foul named words you can think of (in front of their girlfriends and wives, some of whom actually joined in), but these are the same people who were boo’ing him not for the Springbok remarks, but for calling them ********.
Wow, isn’t this the same group of people who cry racism now but practiced it for so many years?
9 Mar 2009, 16:05 pm
Stawm – Hard to argue with first hand view. I stand corrected. Interesting indeed.
But you are entirely correct about the victors and history.
9 Mar 2009, 16:06 pm
#364 Ig:
Not my choice … one of the other previously disadvantaged prefers Thursdays.
9 Mar 2009, 16:07 pm
#365 Richie:
of course they were, we all know the reality of what that lot think.
not sure why watson is the one for being pulled up for totally inoccus and true comments.
9 Mar 2009, 16:07 pm
IG – don’t you like my analogies – do they make your point about Dutchmen seem unfair? Nevertheless, if you don’t consider ‘duthmen’ offensive then why do you keep moderating my posts? hypocrite
9 Mar 2009, 16:08 pm
#358 poppa69: Ya you lekker cocky when the focus isn’t on you. Pretty sure that will slip by on this thread without anyone bringing up global comps.
9 Mar 2009, 16:08 pm
Keo
Not a shabby article.
But … Fictional heroes in the Bible?
I can only say one thing — God loves you Keo — whether you like it or not.
No need to reply. I do not read the commentaries.
God bless you Keo.
David
9 Mar 2009, 16:08 pm
#370 pommie:
Listen twat. Ig is no longer moderator of the website.
Speak to ROY.
Now cool your jets.
(Was that a watching-paint-dry post, hater?)
9 Mar 2009, 16:09 pm
very few
afrikaners
mind being
called
a ********
or a boer
because that’s
what
they are
9 Mar 2009, 16:09 pm
#249 tight head:
not sure if you are still blogging but well said. Luke Watson is no hero. It is ultimately about CONPLETELY signing up for his ideas and ideals, or you are some kind of racist. No attempts on his side to even listen to what others have to say. Keo is such an idiot. I used to like how Keo wrote articles, but this changed my perception of Keo forever.
9 Mar 2009, 16:10 pm
#362 THE MAULER:
I’m looking for new faces for drinks.
Are you in CT?
(Sorry hater … just asking him. Am not man-grabbing)
9 Mar 2009, 16:10 pm
#369 cab:
Well on Saturday they proved Watson right, whether they realise it or not
9 Mar 2009, 16:11 pm
#363 Stawm: I was there myself. Far cry from what we here in the written media today. Never could be called a war in my opinion anyways. It was simply defending a border, nothing more. Nobody won or lost a war.
9 Mar 2009, 16:11 pm
Ah Pommie – Maybe lay off the booze and wife beatings mate – i haven’t worked in this here establishment for nearly two years….
Maybe see Dawns’s comment at 373
9 Mar 2009, 16:11 pm
#367 Ig:
Looks like it won’t happen anyway.
Too many people don’t like Thursdays.
9 Mar 2009, 16:12 pm
#366 Richie:
they were?
now why didnt anyone mentioned THAT before?
9 Mar 2009, 16:12 pm
#373 Dawn: I assume the question about CT was for the drinks (hope i’m not being too confident here) if so thanks for the invite, feels like I have made it inot a circle of trust.
9 Mar 2009, 16:12 pm
#374 Dawn: Ag dawnie – why all the anger? Have some chocolate. I am sure you are VERY sexy when so flustered.
9 Mar 2009, 16:12 pm
#376 Dawn: Do you allow ******** to drink with you?
9 Mar 2009, 16:12 pm
193 / 2 Hope we can bat most of tomorrow. Even if Aussies win. Just let them bake in the sun while fielding for the whole day tomorrow.
9 Mar 2009, 16:13 pm
#340 rugby911:
Hi 911.
It is the job of good players to play as close to the edge of the law as possible.
The fact that you have to ask so many questions about the breakdown is ample proof that it is hard to understand, play and ref this part of the game.
Whether the attacking team or defending team is deemed to offend first at the breakdown is totally subjective and purely up to the refs interpretation.
Imagine trying to explain this part of the game to somebody you took along to watch their first ever game of rugby union.
You would not be able to make sense.
Your friend would probably be polite, but go home thinking that either your game knowledge is poor or that it is a stupid game!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:13 pm
#384 Isigidi:
(With apologies to hater)
Anyone drinks with us.
9 Mar 2009, 16:14 pm
#382 Corndog:
Sorry hater …. will get back to rugby ASAP
You are welcome when next you in CT.
9 Mar 2009, 16:14 pm
i’m not a
charra porra
i dont shout
sardine
i’m not a
brokeback porra
i don’t shout
vee pee
i am a
boere porra
and i shout
bulls
9 Mar 2009, 16:14 pm
#380 Dawn: It’s because they all in the closet desperate housewives watchers. Thursday night is my chance for a boys night as my wife does not miss that or top billing.
9 Mar 2009, 16:15 pm
#381 Ig: Sorry IG. Maybe lay off your nasty comments.
9 Mar 2009, 16:15 pm
#376 Dawn:
But If I am ever in Cape Town I will definitly want to have a few drinks with you fine people…..
Unfortunatley I am sitting in Swakopmund at the moment….. Company has sent me here for a few months…
9 Mar 2009, 16:15 pm
#353 Ig:
I dont mind being called a dutchmen. Most people dont mind being called names – its is the intention of the person saying it which makes the difference.
Luke said he hated “losing his place to a dutchmen” and rugby is run by a “bunch of dutchmen”. He said that in a room full of black people and no “dutchmen” as far as I understand. So he meant in a offensive way.
I personally dislike him more because he wants to vomit on the Bok jersey whick is a huge dream for many white and black people.
9 Mar 2009, 16:15 pm
#383 pommie:
I don’t like chocolate.
Anyhoo. Have to get back to walking the streets.
9 Mar 2009, 16:15 pm
#386 tight head:
well if you were the one doing the explaining,
i’m sure your friend wouldve opted for 1.
hi tighthead, hows things?
9 Mar 2009, 16:16 pm
Geez, so now we are back at the Border war again. And it all started with vd Heever’s tackle on a Kapenaar. vd Heever wasn’t even born yet when that war ended.
You Stormertjies must start winning again, otherwise you will soon accuse Victor Matfield of being a exclusivist socialist because he shared his Energade with one of his blue team mates, while sitting on the bench.
9 Mar 2009, 16:16 pm
#362 THE MAULER: The way they played on Saturday think even the Cheetahs will beat them. They really could they play them at home.
9 Mar 2009, 16:16 pm
Okay so lets break it down in simple terms.
Watson believed rugby in SA is run by a couple of dutchmen only in it for self-inrichment?
Hell I have been saying it for years myself so for the record I agree with him.
And don’t quote all the ‘quota’ members serving on SARU to refute this because anyone who has followed the trials and tribulations of SARU will know they have f-all power.
Power in SA Rugby is shared between the top 5 unions of SA Rugby.
As for Watson the player, good CC and even Super rugby player – average and overrated on the international stage.
Whats the fuss here?
And with that I am out.
9 Mar 2009, 16:17 pm
#366 Richie:
dog eat dog unfortunately. Whast the Loftus crowd did was what any crowd would do, getting too hyped up. Is it right, hell if I know, maybe to be understood in the context of we vs. you on a gameday. Morally, no it is not right, but Watson got some of his own medicine.
9 Mar 2009, 16:17 pm
Cheers peoples… have to go now…. enjoy!!
Chat tomorrow!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:17 pm
#394 Dawn: LOL.
9 Mar 2009, 16:17 pm
#391 pommie:
Listen, you upper lip stiffer than a saudi jail sentence ….
Stop looking for a fight.
Are you in the UK, a genuine pommie?
9 Mar 2009, 16:17 pm
#313 hater: Context, Hater: Craven was simply stating the obvious under the system that he had to work in. He also ensured that unity was achieved quickly after Mandela was released. I’m sure if you go and read some of Mandela’s earlier stuff he’ll look like a Julius Malema wannabe. Instead, he turned into the saviour of SA.
9 Mar 2009, 16:18 pm
#385 Puma:
AB en Kallis byt mooi vas. Dit sal wonderlik wees as hulle n gelykop uitslag kan afdwing. Maar in werklikheid kort hulle omtrent ne 4 paaltjies met GS uit en die stert verloor gewoonlik al hulle paaltjies vir 10 lopies.
9 Mar 2009, 16:18 pm
#395 ashley:
I am good Ash, thank you.
Trying hard to stay away from politics!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:18 pm
#396 Dawn: Strut your stuff sexy mamma.
9 Mar 2009, 16:18 pm
#400 THE MAULER: Cheers Mauler.
9 Mar 2009, 16:19 pm
And for the record, I currently want to vomit on the Stormers jersey for all the sickening **** they are dishing up at the moment.
9 Mar 2009, 16:19 pm
I wish some of you Luke supporters could answer my question, post 356, seeing as though Hater cant or wont.
I really want to like Luke, he’s a good player, but I cant help feel that he cares less about the ’cause’ he is fighting for and more about his own well being and image he is trying to portray.
9 Mar 2009, 16:19 pm
#393 Supa Die Bloubul: LOL, Supa die ********!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:20 pm
#378 Isigidi:
Thats my point, where is the real truth, certainly everyone taints it all to suit their own agenda.
I was with 4 SAI for Modular/Hooper.
Where were you?
9 Mar 2009, 16:20 pm
Mind you the Saders’ new strip is so damn ugly I won’t be surprised if people gets sick just looking at it…
9 Mar 2009, 16:21 pm
Bunch of rightwing Dutchmen.
9 Mar 2009, 16:21 pm
And with that I am really out…
Cheers all.
9 Mar 2009, 16:21 pm
#404 Dawn: Ek is ‘n Duthman. My lippe is los, moenie jou bekommer nie.
9 Mar 2009, 16:22 pm
#410 KingPaul: Nee, Supa die spies loving bloubul ********!
9 Mar 2009, 16:22 pm
#404 Supa Die Bloubul: 199/2 It would be awesome if we made a draw out of this. Going to be tough though. Its very hot out there.
Just hope we make them field for a very long time before we are out. They looking a bit tired now.
The only think we face the new ball in the morning. Pity Smith has a broken finger again. Damn.
Another 12 overs left for today. Hope these two stay in until tomorrow morning to face the new ball.
9 Mar 2009, 16:22 pm
#410 KingPaul:
Klink nie te bad nie!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:23 pm
CAB thanks for that, Im so proud to hear Churchill is a South African. Dont think I will ever forgive my history teacher for telling me he was from England.
All these retards on this site who cant get over themselves and the past are a clear example of what is wrong with our sport and society.
Get over yourselves.
Rugby people, rugby!!!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:23 pm
#417 Puma: think = thing
9 Mar 2009, 16:23 pm
#408 PissAnt: hehehehe, ek kan aan erger goed dink wat ek met die Stormer jersey wil doen, maar kots virseker een van hulle…
9 Mar 2009, 16:23 pm
#399 savethespringbok:
Yeah I guess. But acting like an idiot to make a point seems a bit stupid. Anyways, I’m English and have a few great Afrikaans friends. They call me soutie and rooinek and I call them dutchmen occasionally. No harm done, so why the comments in the first place and the “backlash” thereafter nobody knows. Ppl shouldn’t take themselves so seriously
9 Mar 2009, 16:24 pm
#414 PissAnt: Cheers have a good one, agree with you on the Stormers and Crusaders jersey. Tough times
9 Mar 2009, 16:24 pm
Cricket is shaping quite nicely at the moment. 200/2..
9 Mar 2009, 16:24 pm
#416 Isigidi:
Beter as Isigidi die Luke loving dutchmen
9 Mar 2009, 16:25 pm
#316 cab: Helen Suzman? Helen Zille (look up her record – she was the journo who exposed the whol Biko affair), van Zijl Slabbert, Vause Raw (sp?) Beyers Naude, Ruth First…
9 Mar 2009, 16:25 pm
#371 Corndog: lol, was just a light hearted dig mate, dont take it so personal
9 Mar 2009, 16:26 pm
Sien GS gaan alweer more met n gebreekte hand moet kolf….
9 Mar 2009, 16:27 pm
#411 Stawm: Infantary 10 Oshakati, ook 70 Katima later.
9 Mar 2009, 16:27 pm
#424 pommie: Yes we need to keep them fielding for a long time tomorrow. Even if they win this they will feel tired after bowling the whole day in that heat.
Then if these two can stay in we could make a draw out of this. Once one of them go we only really have JP that can bat. The others just add a bit. Even Boucher not batting well at the moment.
Another 10 overs left for today. Just bat boys bat. They looking tired those bowlers already. The humidity gets worse as the day wears on.
9 Mar 2009, 16:29 pm
#425 Supa Die Bloubul: Wie’t gese ek’s ‘n ********? Ek soek jou, ek moer jou! hehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 16:29 pm
#356 Biggles: Luke is not complaining about anything, he was merely stating the obvious truth about rugby in SA,quiet obvious many afrikaaners are not happy with this fact being spoken about.
9 Mar 2009, 16:29 pm
#428 Supa Die Bloubul: Ons is lekker in die k@k! kan nie glo die ouens se wiele het so afgeval nie. Ons boulers sukkel om paaltjis te kry, en Johnson boel ons dat die bene klap en die bloed vloei!!
9 Mar 2009, 16:30 pm
#427 poppa69: Mine as well , just don’t know how to make a smiley face……
9 Mar 2009, 16:31 pm
Bliksem maar ‘n klomp vrouens gaan vanaand gebliksem word, lyk dit my.
So much hate, so much vengeance…is there no more forgiveness in our hearts?
Draai die ander wang, broers en susters – haal eers die balk uit jou eie oog voordat jy die splinter in die ander se oog raaksien. Onthou, broers en susters, sonder liefde is ons niks – ons moet liefde betoon aan ons naastes. En Luke is ons naaste, broers en susters. Kom ons vergewe hom tog, want hy weet nie wat hy doen nie!
9 Mar 2009, 16:31 pm
#430 Puma: Cricket 101 for Ausie dummies: Do NOT drop Kallis on single digits.
9 Mar 2009, 16:32 pm
#417 Puma: If AB and Kallis are there tomorrow morning, I will believe….
9 Mar 2009, 16:32 pm
When faced with a tough decision I just ask myself:
‘What would Luke do’
9 Mar 2009, 16:32 pm
#323 Ig: Well, the k-word means “unbeliever” in Arabic. Most of us around here qualify, but it’s also a no-no… Ditto the word “Bantu” which in reality refers to a language grouping, but for some reason it is deemed offensive in SA. Both of these words are offensive to the extreme but refer in some way to a person’s background. Accept then, that “********” carries the same weight for a proud Afrikaner.
9 Mar 2009, 16:33 pm
Anyway I am out. Thanks for the chats and the entertainment.
9 Mar 2009, 16:33 pm
READ THIS CAREFULLY
South African supporters are a disgrace…As boring as their rugby product may be(compared to the S14 and Currie Cup) when you attend a 6 nations game in Scotland,Wales,Ireland and England…you can hear a pin drop when a penalty at posts is being made(Italy and France do not fall into same category and are similar to our hooligans)
Such is the respect and educated level of the supporter.
At rugby game in Sa -even the professional man becomes a white collar worker for the 2 or so hours he is in the stadium!
SAD-VERY SAD
9 Mar 2009, 16:34 pm
#433 KingPaul: Ons hoop maar die Sormer en die Bloubul kan die kastaaiings uit die vuur krap.
9 Mar 2009, 16:34 pm
#432 Puma: Man oh man if we can end the day with 8 wickets (effectively 7) in hand and needing 300 to win I reckon we’ll have a good go at it tomorrow. There’s no point in hanging around blocking everything. Controlled scoring at just over 3 an over will get us there.
9 Mar 2009, 16:35 pm
#433 KingPaul: Ja, KingPaul Maybe Steyn should have been bowling at their heads and hands too. Just hoping these two make them bowl most of tomorrow in that heat and humidity. They looking tired already.
NM should be dropped. Need a opener. Now with GS out injured it will be difficult to draw this. So Prince need to come back for the Newlands test or Johan Botha. Botha can bowl and bat. So thats a plus.
9 Mar 2009, 16:35 pm
#431 Isigidi:
Ek het jou al gesien. Kan onthou omdat jy so abnormaal lelik was! hehehehehe
Joke net Isi…jy is nie so erg lelik nie…
#433 KingPaul:
Ja, die manne neuk vieslik op hier op tuisbodem. Hulle het vinnig gesak van hero to zero.
9 Mar 2009, 16:36 pm
#443 GARY H: Why is that sad? Just part of the game. You seem to be quite uptight.
9 Mar 2009, 16:36 pm
I jus t want to know “who” these ******** is Luke are talking about. last time I checked all the Bok coaches, from O’19 to the Bokke were people of colour. Or maybe Peter de Villiers is also a ******** if you belief Ig’s definition of a ********. And most of the guys on the President’s counsil are people of colour. And who does Luke want to run rugby in South Africa??
9 Mar 2009, 16:37 pm
#443 pommie: It could but we don’t bat far down after JP then the others just get a few. So think we will have to try and stick it out for a draw.
The heat and humidity looks to be getting to the bowlers at the moment. Looking tired. Just that the new ball comes tomorrow morning. We need these two to stay in until then.
9 Mar 2009, 16:37 pm
Why doesnt Smith just come in and bat again?
he’s been there and got the T-Shirt – so do it again!
9 Mar 2009, 16:38 pm
#352 XhosaKid: Why not? There are lots of parallels. Discrimination, crime, injustice… it’s all there.
9 Mar 2009, 16:38 pm
Not part of the game-Its disrespect from uneducated people-thats all it is
9 Mar 2009, 16:38 pm
#441 GARY H:
Yes Gary, the same cannot be said of their soccer hooligans. Go watch an England soccer match at next years wold cup; there’ll be more of the white collared workers than your so called “educated level of supporters”.
9 Mar 2009, 16:38 pm
213 / 2 Keep batting boys.
9 Mar 2009, 16:38 pm
#436 Isigidi:
Het hulle hom gedrop? Maklike catch?
#442 Isigidi:
Lees my opsomming by 239. Wat se jy van Saterdag se game?
9 Mar 2009, 16:39 pm
#434 Corndog: cool cool its a : with a ) but no space inbetween…
9 Mar 2009, 16:39 pm
with
a name like
gary
i’d also
be uptight
9 Mar 2009, 16:39 pm
#432 XhosaKid:
I’m sorry Xhosa but i just dont see this truth you speak of. What i see is SA rugby moving foreward very nicely with some incredible talent being developed and Luke and his old man dragging us backwards.
Great things are happening in SA rugby despite the Watsons not because of them. These good things are happening because of the systems that were put in a while ago.
9 Mar 2009, 16:40 pm
sa supporters r scum
9 Mar 2009, 16:41 pm
#444 Puma:
Ons stert is ook te lank. Harris, Morkel, Ntini en Steyn kan nie eers 20 lopies maak saam nie.
9 Mar 2009, 16:42 pm
#444 Puma: I will bring in Prince for Mckenzie and Gibbs for Smith. Will open with Gibbs and Amla, then AB, Kallis, Prince and JP with Boucher and the bowlers to follow. Whats going on with Mark B’s batting these late few tests????
9 Mar 2009, 16:42 pm
#449 Stawm: Broken finger on the right hand now. Very unlucky. Who knows he may come in and bat at the end like he done in Sydney. Nothing to gain from it but to make that injury take longer to heal. Then I wont put it past Smith he may just do it.
9 Mar 2009, 16:44 pm
#461 Puma:
Depends – if we have something like five overs or less to bat out he will probably come in. Any more than that, not a chance.
9 Mar 2009, 16:44 pm
#366 Richie: Not true. I was there. Were you?
9 Mar 2009, 16:46 pm
#461 Puma:
A quick lil injection and he’s good for the day.
I think if it means a chance of either drawing or even wining the match then its worth it for him to come out.
So what is the deciding required winning run rate then to justify Smith batting?
9 Mar 2009, 16:46 pm
Another 96 overs left in this match, with 322 runs to chase.
Means we have a required run rate of 3.35 with 8(7?) wickets in hand.
Can be done.
9 Mar 2009, 16:46 pm
#330 Ig:
Horrible as the thought may well be….I’d argue that SA would have nowhere near it’s current infastructure had it not been for apartheid and the use of what could be described as “cheap-slave labour”.
Do you honestly think that at the end of british rule, had there been a one-man-one-vote system we would actually even have a the most basic commodities in place?
no way Hose.
The ANC would have come to power in 1948. Led by anyone who could tell left from right?
The whites would have fcked off on the spot.
and within 2 years the Xhosa’s and the Zulu’s would have been at each other with machete’s….that’s if they hadn’t already all starved. Bread for 30 million doesn’t bake itself you know? And oven’s don’t make themselves and the steel for those ovens doesn’t walk up out of the mining pits and the coal/electricity that powers those ovens doesn’t just show up.I’m sure you get the idea.
(Heaven only knows where the coloureds would have fitted in during all of this)
And SA would now resemble Angola,Congo or any of the other shining examples of progressive black african democracy….or maybe we would have resembled Rwanda?
9 Mar 2009, 16:47 pm
#460 KingPaul: Yes Prince for NM. I had thought about Gibbs. He can open and he does not waste time goes out to get the runs like Smith does.
Boucher just not getting any runs. Think he time is up really. I have supported him all along but think its time for AB to do the keeping now. AB then would bat at 6 as Prince would come in at 5 then JP at 7 so we would then bat down to 7 instead of 5. They bat all the way down. We used to when we had Polly, Klusener, Hall playing. We do miss our all rounders in those guys.
9 Mar 2009, 16:47 pm
#463 hjk:
Were you on the Oospawiljoen? Or the Suidpawiljoen? Or the Noordpawiljoen? Or on the Grand Stand? Or were you everywhere at once?
9 Mar 2009, 16:48 pm
#351 Corndog: i love that story. Did you follow the series to where the South African’s then plotted to injure Skinner and ended up hurting Tiny, the wrong man, and aparently years later the SA player involved confessed with tears in his eyes that they had plotted to injure Skinner on purpose my foul means and ended up hurting the wrong man who was dragged off the park on a stretcher.
I don;t feel bad about that disgraceful story about the Boks in the 1950′s tour to NZ. They didn’t represent me. They represented Biggels and St Peterseberg and co. By the way, Danie Craven was their coach. I wonder if that was part of his coaching methods. Biggels can you help us. You appear to be the Danie Craven expert and fan.
9 Mar 2009, 16:48 pm
#450 Puma: Reckon they will. I just hope that if the wickets do start to tumble, the recognised batsman keeps strike and keeps going for that target. There is no use in just hanging around hoping the day goes by, youve got to score to keep the energy levels and adrenalin pumping.
9 Mar 2009, 16:49 pm
STP – Good to see you haven’t lost your bigoted racial beliefs…
9 Mar 2009, 16:49 pm
#464 Stawm: Think he will only come out if he thinks he can help win it or draw it. Wont come out if we have lost a lot of wickets by lunch tomorrow. If these two are still in by lunch time tomorrow expect Smith to come out if he needs too. Thats my feeling.
9 Mar 2009, 16:49 pm
#458 GARY H: Yes they are Gary. Trash. Total trash. That’s why I am not a SA supporter.
9 Mar 2009, 16:51 pm
#466 St.Petersburgbok:
Sounds like Dan Roodt must be your favourite author.
9 Mar 2009, 16:52 pm
#471 hater: Hater I replied to you and asked you a question. I would appreciate the decency of a reply.
Do you know what – those Boks in the 50′s didn’t represent most people on this blog, so I repeat, are you ready to get over yourself?
9 Mar 2009, 16:53 pm
229 / 2 Should only be a over or two left today. Need to stay focused.
9 Mar 2009, 16:54 pm
#419 ploos:
sorry, was shorthand, i took it as obvious he was not born in SA, but was very interconnected with the country. he was a journalist during the Boer war and wrote about his capture. the same for ghandhi, huge names and SA formed a massive part of their lives.
#356 Biggles:
Watson has no gripe, its those who have a gripe about watson.
Watson was asked to give a talk at a liberal institution. His views were supposedly that he wanted to puke on the jersey for what it once represented and that rugby had always been run by the dutchmen. Whats the problem? Its the truth.
#426 hjk:
Yes, suzman was a brave woman, whom many respected, but it really makes little difference who broke the story, the moral of the story is that one of south africas greatest young leaders was captured by police and beaten to death while in custody by the ruling SA nazis at the time.
9 Mar 2009, 16:54 pm
#473 hater:
Good for you, now get over yourself please.
Maybe get something to eat, your blood sugar levels are too low.
Maybe just a lil lie-down will work for you.
Go and do it.
9 Mar 2009, 16:55 pm
#468 WP Till I Die: oospawiljoen where Richie alledged the stuff was coming from. He also said “the majority of the crowd” shouted stuff like “K—- boetie” and “soutp–l”. Didn’t hear any of that where I was. Friends of mine were on the main stand, and they didn’t hear that either. There was a lot of booing, yes. I believe many of these allegations against the Loftus crowd are similar to an incident in last years 3N, where the Aussie (I think) ref kept on shouting “Number six, get out!” even after Schalk Burger (our no. 6) had been substituted. I get the feeling that it’s easy to make these allegations about the Loftus crowd because the perception exists that the Loftus crowd is like that. I wonder why we, the Loftus faithfull, then cheer heroes like Habana, Chilliboy, Maku, Fudge Mabeta, Heini Adams, Wayne Julies, Tim Dlulane (when he still played) John Mametsa, Burton Francis and the rest just as loudly and why our kids worship them just as much as they adore Matfield, Spies, Wanneburg and the rest.
It’s easy to call the Loftus crowd a bunch of racists, that’s why. Thise who do, have no inkling of what really goes on there. I went to Newlands once and feared for my life.
9 Mar 2009, 16:56 pm
#454 Supa Die Bloubul: Ja well, Stormers verloor weereens binne bonus punt punte verskil. Ek dink enige span wat vanjaar op Loftus teen Bulle 1 punt kan kry vir punteverskil sal seker tevrede wees.
De Waal het verskil aan Stormers gemaak en dis duidelik dat ‘n goeie agterlyn nie kan funksioneer as hy in sy eie kwartgebied vasgepen word nie. Stormers het goed gelyk in Bulls helfte en ek skryf dit toe aan De waal/Percy se goeie taktiese skoppe. Eerste keer in lang tyd dat Stormers aanval in laaste 20 minute so daars hoop.
Stormers gan klippe kuk in NZ met daai tight 5. As 1 van hulle seerkry, is dit tickets. Vasste 5 speel ook buite hul natuurlike vermoee om vas te hou by ander pakke en dit gaan wys na einde van S12 toe. Hulle sal dit nie kan volhou, punt.
I liked:
De waal, Vermeulen, Bekker, percy en Jean
I did not like:
Mujati, Bobo, Koster (Net omdat hy uit posisie speel), Louw
Bulls kant I liked:
Meisiekind, Ndigani, Bakkies, Stegman
Not good was:
Spies, FdP, JP, Chilliboy
Bulls will be there at end I think.
Stormers gaan beter doen, maar average op punte eindig at best.
But hey, that’s just me!
9 Mar 2009, 16:57 pm
237/2
Kallis making a few quick runs there. Keep batting boys. Keep those Aussies bowling the whole day tomorrow.
9 Mar 2009, 16:57 pm
#477 cab: No, the issue was about white liberals. As an aside, the current electioneering has Zille labelled as a racist, imperialist, colonialist. Her record totally contradicts that. All I wanted to point out. I don’t deny the evil of Biko’s death.
9 Mar 2009, 16:57 pm
Kallis on 82 now.
9 Mar 2009, 17:00 pm
#469 hater: You mean they defended themselves against a person who was not out to play rugby but to hammer them into submission? What would you have had the Springboks of that time do?
Or is it just that you want to find any kind of stick to beat Danie Craven with?
9 Mar 2009, 17:01 pm
240 / 2
Last over now. Stay focused boys.
9 Mar 2009, 17:01 pm
Come on Keo, you obviously have no clue. Lulu performed his primary function in the team a few times in a very ordinary game of rugby. The only reason Watson outplayed Spies is because the commentators practically shouted ”Watson” everytime he got near the ball. Your ears are obviously more gifte than your eyes.
Those ”louts” have every right to boo him. By acknowledeging him, he showed that it was getting to him. Had some ******** from Pretoria said something to piss our soccer fans off he would have been pelted with bottles, the pitched invaded and half the stadium seats ripped out and set alight. Even the majority of thugs in the Western Cape would have tried to stab the poor fcuker with a broken bottleneck.
So from this lout – ****-off little man and keep on sucking Watsons ****.
For you and Lulu:
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9 Mar 2009, 17:02 pm
#473 hater: Who do you support, if I may ask? (I really don’t know). Are you South African?
9 Mar 2009, 17:03 pm
Helloooooooo,
Die Krieket maak my naar… mag mens op ‘n Protea badge KOTS ??
Hehehe
Miskien moet ek sommer net naarpilletjies drink…. dan hoef ek mossie te KOTS nie….
Netnou kry ek ook byname soos “Vomit Comet”….
9 Mar 2009, 17:04 pm
#486 Xkreni-WP:
You just served Mark Keohane’s point completely.
9 Mar 2009, 17:04 pm
A supporter at Bulls Waratahs at loftus 2 seasons ago….
Ons Kaf…s is beter as julle kaf….s
They a disgrace!
9 Mar 2009, 17:05 pm
244 / 2 at close of play. We will have to face the new ball in the morning. Just hope these two can bat it out for a draw.
So far good stuff from AB and Kallis. Should have been doing that all along.
9 Mar 2009, 17:05 pm
By acknowledeging him – them
9 Mar 2009, 17:05 pm
why are the bulls supports always angry.. win or lose..
9 Mar 2009, 17:06 pm
493. Xkreni-WP : Your comment is awaiting moderation.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
#489 WP Till I Die:
Like I said, I am a lout. So **** you too
9 Mar 2009, 17:06 pm
#490 GARY H: Yup, there’s always one. Out of – what? 50 000?
9 Mar 2009, 17:06 pm
#346 poppa69: Dont get me wrong, I fully appreciate pushing the boundaries to get the best result possible – but it seems there is a quality of decay in the modern game. The very fact that Schalk Brits squeeled loudly after knowingly holding the ball while on his back is testament to this. This kind of thing is far more prevalent in the modern game, throughout the world, dont you think?
9 Mar 2009, 17:07 pm
I point to every other black african led country as my evidence. Show me 1 success story? Botswana? Please, my ambitions are greater than that unfortunately.
bigotted views?
I challenge anyone to tell me that our country would have skyrises,infastructure,etc,etc….had the ANC or whomever come to power in the climate of 1948.
It would have been tribal rule and nothing would have ever been achieved and the probable outcome would have been tribal wars.
Hell, just imagine if southern africa had never been colonized at all? One of Dingaans sons would be running the show Gengis Khan style.
And somehow I doubt he would have given rugby to much attention?
9 Mar 2009, 17:07 pm
#295 THE MAULER: Maybe they should. But I’m not embracing something that oppressed me for years. Never. #447 KingPaul: King. Please tell us what the demografic of the President’s council was when Jake White was fired? You appear to be informed about the structures. I’m curious.#345 Porra: Are you admitting what you are? That is the first step. Congrats.#307 ploos: I am entitled to my views as a South African. i can buy a loud speaker and scream it if I want to. And when your family menbers are murdered and thrown off buildings, remind me to tell you to get over it.
9 Mar 2009, 17:08 pm
#493 No13: What are you smoking? We were pretty ecstatic when we beat the Blues, the Reds, the Lions, the Stormers…
9 Mar 2009, 17:08 pm
#488 grootblousmile: GBS. Kallis and AB looking good out there. At close we had 233/2 Can you imagine if we make a draw or even win this.
If we can hold out for the 10 or 15 overs tomorrow with the new ball and these two are still in. I think we could make a draw here or who knows even win it. Never thought we would be on that at close today.
Think Kallis is on 85 now.
9 Mar 2009, 17:09 pm
#426 hjk:
apologies, i see where u r coming from and most of those you mention make my point exactly. the PFP was the only white party to stand against racism, but their leaders were far from the left in a modern sense, they were educated elite capitalists that were against racism – not dissimilar from the conservative party or republican party in britain.
Labour which is more on the left has a more socialist bent. There were very few like that in SA, even to this today. Perhaps only Joe Slovo who headed up the SACP, which was almost entirely black.
Which is why when one hears every tool and his dog trotting out the blase-expression “commie liberals”, nothing was further from the truth, they were liberals but the real lefties were very few and far between.
In fact, interestingly, the party that had commie roots, was the NP. Its true, go look it up. It was all nationalism and afrikaaners worker interests etc. Big commies so am not when the ‘rooi gevaar’ crept into their learning curve. Those okes got so confused with their own theology and rhetoric no-one knew what was cutting, still to this day, niks.
9 Mar 2009, 17:09 pm
#486 Xkreni-WP: Lout indeed. Thank you dude for proving Luke’s point.
ladies and gentleman. Here is the prime example of what Luke was talking about.
9 Mar 2009, 17:10 pm
#443 pommie: spot on on your prediction, half way there anyway…
9 Mar 2009, 17:10 pm
#498 hater: You really live up to your name. If you could change SA, what would you change? Honestly?
9 Mar 2009, 17:10 pm
#494 Xkreni-WP:
Sorry, you’re not my type.
9 Mar 2009, 17:12 pm
#457 Biggles: Question, is sa rugby run by Afrikaaners or Dutchmen, yes or no, if its yes whats the fuss when someone merely points it out however if its a lie, i.e. SA rugby not run by Afrikaaners then Luke must be brought to book for telling lies
9 Mar 2009, 17:13 pm
Cheers all. Hope our Proteas hang in for the draw tomorrow.
Felt like I was posting between a huge fight above and below me the whole time. Phew!! out of here now.
9 Mar 2009, 17:13 pm
#490 GARY H:
that oke should be jailed, straight.
9 Mar 2009, 17:14 pm
Luke is 15 years too late as far as his obsessed ideals to “transform” rugby go. Rugby has changed already, and it will continue to do so, and I hope it will. It is very exciting to see a black guy who was picked to play for the Boks on merit play against the best in the world and succeed. One, it can only help the Boks to be the best in the world, or strive to be that. Two, it IS a sign that we are moving forward. I am thinkin go guys like THE BEAST (what a player); Brian Habana (one of my all time favorites); JP Pietersen and believe it or not, I have to give Adi jacobs credit. When we are playing “stampkar” rugby as teh Boks tend to do, he is the “little guy” aka Giteau who can slice through the toughest defence. And believe me, I was not happy when he was first picked, but he has proven his merit to be in the mix at the top. WIthout the help of Luke Watson.
9 Mar 2009, 17:14 pm
#501 cab: Hmmm. I think I see where you’re coming from. It feels to me as though we have different ideas of what a ‘liberal’ is, and I suppose there isn’t a definitive answer. All the PFP (don’t forget the NRP, which was also pretty prog until it merged, if I remember correctly, with the PFP) people were pretty ‘liberal’ in their views. I do believe that there is more to this, though. I’m not sure exactly what your meta-argument is, so I’m not sure what we’re debating, or maybe we are actually just missing each other.
9 Mar 2009, 17:14 pm
#506 WP Till I Die:
I know, too much of a man.
You like to be the one turning the little boys around.
That is why you support the team you do, always like to come in a little behind.
9 Mar 2009, 17:15 pm
#503 hater:
Fine by me you racist piece of ****
9 Mar 2009, 17:16 pm
#510 hjk:
no you are probably right in the true sense of the word ‘liberal’, but the impression most have, not you, is some sort of commie lefty – to which I say they were quite far removed from that part of the spectrum.
9 Mar 2009, 17:16 pm
#506 XhosaKid: There are not Dutch men running SA rugby – those would be people who are Dutch citizens and are male. Would people like Mike Stofile, Oregan Hoskins, Silas Nkanunu and the like qualify as Afrikaners?
9 Mar 2009, 17:17 pm
#506 XhosaKid: hisory will tell you that what Luke is trying to get in the spotlight for WAS very true. And maybe some whites are tenaciously trying to hang on for as long as they can, but make no mistake, Luke is fighting with the wrong weapons at the wrong time. People ARE willing to sit and listen, and if not, the ANC will make sure they do.
9 Mar 2009, 17:17 pm
#386 tight head: yup, already tried to, it does make it sound as if you dont know what the hell you’re talking about!
9 Mar 2009, 17:17 pm
Anyways, Go Bulls.
I will support any team playing the briesies. Especially with little Lulu there. Should he play for the Boks again, my team will be the Bulls and the All Blacks. Might as well join our bigotted brothers from another colour
9 Mar 2009, 17:18 pm
I am not interested in getting involved in all this political stuff, I just have a genuine question. Maybe Luke Watson answered it somewhere and I missed it, and if so could someone tell me what was said?
As far as I am concerned Watson is entitled to his opinions, same as everyone who posts here is entitled to theirs, but my question is, why did Watson play in the Springbok jersey in the first place? Wouldnt it have made more sense to make his views known at the time and refused to play in the team, rather than after the event?
I am just genuinely curious and wonder if anyone knows the answer?
9 Mar 2009, 17:18 pm
#514 hjk:
i understood he was talking about the real power, not the appointed figureheads, i thought he meant the men heading up by the big six unions and the general exclisive priviliedged fanbase.
9 Mar 2009, 17:18 pm
#511 Xkreni-WP: That is a disgusting comment. Comments like this should be made in a private forum, and not here. You’re a disgrace to this site.
9 Mar 2009, 17:19 pm
#517 Xkreni-WP: Good for you
9 Mar 2009, 17:19 pm
#450 hjk: any person who can draw any resemblance from apartheid and today’s SA is clearly smoking something.I will not even go down that route, quiet clearly you are too much of an idiot to try and salvage, I hope you have a great life
9 Mar 2009, 17:20 pm
#513 cab: Sorry – I meant to agree with your socialist/communist jibe at the Nats. They were a bit confused, but they did manage to hang on to power for just over 40 years. Mandela and his legal team used the Nats’ confusion to great effect during either the treason trial or the second sabotage trial where they had Nat people under cross-examination, to see if they could recognise a communist statement if they heard it. They quoted pieces out of the Sermon on the Mount, if memory serves, and the witness (whose name now escapes me) deemed it to be communist. He was rather red-faced when the defence revealed that it was ****** Himself who said it…
9 Mar 2009, 17:20 pm
#520 Isigidi: He can say what he wants. It just exposed him for the person he really is
9 Mar 2009, 17:20 pm
#355 pommie: I’m not a brown person from the Cape. Why don;t you ask Dawn if she is insulted. You appear to be insulting her.
9 Mar 2009, 17:20 pm
#511 Xkreni-WP:
You’re the one who mentioned sucking c*ck. Obsessed with such things?
9 Mar 2009, 17:21 pm
#518 cat66:
that is indeed a problem, but his speech i understand was aimed at what the bok emblem had come to represent in the past and for his father and the generation of ppl he respected. this would in fact be in line with his many subseuqent statements that he wore the emblem with pride.
the fact remains tho, there are many that are more than entitled to want to vomit on the Springbok.
9 Mar 2009, 17:21 pm
#497 St.Petersburgbok: f u
9 Mar 2009, 17:22 pm
So everybody is still fighting?
9 Mar 2009, 17:23 pm
#528 XhosaKid: come on now, none of that
9 Mar 2009, 17:23 pm
#512 Xkreni-WP: And he is proud to be trash too. Anything else. Luke forgot some adjectives when he described you.
9 Mar 2009, 17:24 pm
#323 Ig: No Ig that might be where they descended from but it became a name of ridicule used by English speaking Saffers to try and denote that they were of Boeren achterstand. Whichever way you look at it its not the name but the intent it conveys thats disparaging.
9 Mar 2009, 17:25 pm
#530 SpringbokSarah: never mind, I just read his post. F away…
9 Mar 2009, 17:25 pm
#522 XhosaKid: Yours is called an ad hominem argument and rugby players get yellow carded for playing the man and not the ball. Your answer makes it seem that you are unwilling to engage the issue. Calling me an idiot tell me a lot more about you than it does about me, I’m afraid. You call yourself “Xhosakid” which to me means you’re a young person who speaks Xhosa. Maybe learn to respect your elders a little more. I hope you have a nice time growing up, and that you actually learn something. I’m not trying to be mean to you either, I hope you grow up free of the hate I see on this blog. Have a nice life too, young person.
9 Mar 2009, 17:25 pm
#501 cab:
Do you not think there was ever a ‘Rooi gevaar’
Maybe the Cuban missile crisis was also all imagined?
Interesting.
Funnily enough, the Russians have answered up lately on what their role/missions were in Africa in the 80′s – and that was to help FAPLA and SWAPO achieve their aims of driving back the SA army – all the way out of Namibia.
Do you think the Russians did this because they were against apartheid, or could they have had clandestine objectives, that is a foothold closer to the old enemy – USA.
(This is a serious question)
9 Mar 2009, 17:26 pm
#467 Puma: I’m glad you have finally seen this, I have been advocating for this to happen for some time, in modern day cricket, a team can’t afford to have a specialist wicketkeeper, there must be an allrounder keeping and Boucher is not, his stat over 100 games show the truth about his batting ability
9 Mar 2009, 17:28 pm
#504 hjk: Tolerance. And a desire to make it a better place for all. Leadership we could trust, and for prejudice in all shapes and forms to be eradicated.
9 Mar 2009, 17:28 pm
#519 cab: He may be correct about the President’s council, I’m not 100% sure. I’m wondering about the Elite fan base, as you put it – if it’s a problem that there are lots of whites in that grouping, the way around it is for black people with money/power/influence to become “elite rugby fans”. I’m not trying to be facetious, but if Luke has a problem with rich white people liking rugby, I don’t see what can be done about it. Butana might want to legislate against well-off whites likeing rugby, maybe?
9 Mar 2009, 17:29 pm
#537 hater: I can go with that. I do believe we have common ground between the two of us here.
9 Mar 2009, 17:29 pm
#535 Stawm:
Quite simply put, Southern Africa was a massively important strategic point in the Cold War – having an ally in command of the southern tip of Africa (and hence exerting a sphere of influence over the southern ocean route) would have been extremely important to the Soviet Union.
If they were at all able to invade South Africa given enough of a platform out of Angola or Mozambique, they probably would have.
9 Mar 2009, 17:30 pm
#509 savethespringbok: How is he too late, when people at Loftus according to Richie called him a “k@ffir boetie”.
9 Mar 2009, 17:30 pm
I get soooooooo angry when I’m called a “********”…. because I’m actually a “Crout”…
My forebears arrived in the Cape in 1662, 10 years after Jan (The ********) Van Riebeeck…. but my people were from Steinbruckfurt in Wesfale, on the German side of the border…. in Germany !!
Zo, I’m ze German… Yawohl !
Ich bin kein “Duchman” !!
Swein hund !!
9 Mar 2009, 17:31 pm
#530 SpringbokSarah: Did you read his comments?
9 Mar 2009, 17:32 pm
#540 WP Till I Die:
Exactly because of this the Yanks and the Brits turned a bit of a blind eye to international condemnation of the South African and Rhodesian regimes under sanctions, and in many cases quite actively helped those governments.
9 Mar 2009, 17:33 pm
#535 Stawm:
no, i know about the cuban missile crisis, they were assembling nuclear warheads off the coast of the USA.
the only nuclear warheads ever produced on the african continent were by the nats who acquired the teechnology from abroad with payment in gold worked off miners backs.
I think SA was a big bully who was the relative superpower in a region and the skirmishes they foght in, they were overwhelmingly more powerful in weaponry and rubbish. Like the Nazis they contentrated their efforts into creating a war machine and a macho military culture, but unlike the nazis they never really fought in a proper war with real losses.
9 Mar 2009, 17:33 pm
#535 Stawm: While the soviet Union existed, there was a Rooi Gevaar. If there was a marxist govt in SA it would have shifted the balance of power and control of the Indian Ocean and the Southern Atlantic firmly in the direction of the Soviets. Not to mention rich Uranium, gold and platinum resources that they could then have developed for the friendly SA govt.
9 Mar 2009, 17:33 pm
#543 XhosaKid:
Yes, but try to be the better man.
9 Mar 2009, 17:35 pm
#528 XhosaKid:
well that is just brilliant.
Keo.co.za’s version of the traditional Xhosa Toi-Toi?
The Xhosa mindset…so preditctable, so laughable, so pathetic.
9 Mar 2009, 17:35 pm
#497 St.Petersburgbok:everyone can see what you are. Most would rather no associate with your type. You are entitled to your views. Bigotted as they are I suppose.
9 Mar 2009, 17:37 pm
#545 cab: Not quite so. The SAs were usually outnumbered. It’s a long discussion, but if you could possibly get hold of the Kyknet series “Grensoorlog” it’ll put things into perspective. It’s a fairly balanced series, with interviews with SWAPO guys, Cubans, SAs and a lot of other people.
True about SA’s nukes. I believe they were intended to be used if the unthinkable happened and SA was invaded by a force from Zim/Moz/Angola/Namibia. I understood there were 6 or 8 of them, of tactical size (10kt).
9 Mar 2009, 17:38 pm
#541 hater: I dispute that he was called that. Richie alledged that it was by the majority of the crowd, which is not true. I cannot comment on the possibility that a few of the 50 000-odd people there may have been so low.
9 Mar 2009, 17:39 pm
#540 WP Till I Die:
Thats how I see it as well, and I like to think thats how our military leaders at the time saw it. The Angolan escapades
were not about the ANC and more internationally focused.
9 Mar 2009, 17:40 pm
#550 hjk:
yessus my man, i would not watch such obviously biased garbage, there are many in this country who still feel very proud of their military history, not me, hell we had a whole generation of okes with magnum mustaches and facial hair, which we still cant shake, its a disgrace. not only could the money have been better spent, but think of all the blankets that could have been knitted from that hair.
9 Mar 2009, 17:41 pm
#549 hater:
everyone can see what I am….but my name isn’t “Hater” and I’m not the one supporting the All blacks when situation dictates?
funny stuff.
9 Mar 2009, 17:43 pm
Help me out – biased in which direction? I called it balanced because of the fact that they spoke to people from all sides.
9 Mar 2009, 17:43 pm
#553 cab: (see my comment 555)
9 Mar 2009, 17:43 pm
#550 hjk:
Six, yes. Quite a technological feat, really. Done through South African/Israeli colloboration. The Americans were quite surprised that we managed to get it done.
The mother was a nuclear physicist working at Phalaborwa, but she didn’t work on the actual weapons program itself.
9 Mar 2009, 17:43 pm
#545 cab:
hahahah
I think you are wrong in that assessment.
As hard as it is to believe, the SA military leaders of that time had bigger fish to fry than local politics a lot of the time.
Russia and its intentions were the focal point.
The USA was keenly interested in us as well for obvious reasons.
Think BIG picture.
9 Mar 2009, 17:43 pm
#557 WP Till I Die:
Sorry, I mean Pelindaba. Phalaborwa is where my father served.
9 Mar 2009, 17:44 pm
#543 XhosaKid: Yes I did, and if you read post #533 you would have seen I took it back.
#547 WP Till I Die: But why?
9 Mar 2009, 17:45 pm
#554 St.Petersburgbok: That was the point Gary was making. Some SA supporters are trash. You are the trash. You = trash.
9 Mar 2009, 17:45 pm
#553 cab:
“yessus my man, i would not watch such obviously biased garbage,”
A case of judging before even knowing what you are judging.
9 Mar 2009, 17:45 pm
#557 WP Till I Die:
Aarrghhh. Let me rephrase “My mother”, not “The mother”.
9 Mar 2009, 17:45 pm
#557 WP Till I Die: Phalaborwa or Pelindaba ?
Yeah, from a technological point of view it’s absolutely fascinating.
9 Mar 2009, 17:46 pm
#553 cab:
Cab, I’ve seen it as well, it is one of the most balanced accounts of the Border War I’ve seen in a long time.
9 Mar 2009, 17:46 pm
#559 WP Till I Die: Our comments crisscrossed.
9 Mar 2009, 17:46 pm
#564 hjk:
See my post 559
9 Mar 2009, 17:47 pm
#551 hjk: I was not there, but why would Richie fabricate, and I think we have all had ample examples from television, the blogs and from bloggers who were there, not to mention Keo’s take on this thread about what the Loftus crowd are capable of. It really is that bad dude, and until that stops. Luke has a point.
9 Mar 2009, 17:48 pm
#565 WP Till I Die:
Nonsense, its biased garbage because its in afrikaans mainly.
9 Mar 2009, 17:48 pm
#566 hjk:
The cyber equivalent of crossed lines, yes.
I must say that the broader geopolitical strategy behind South Africa’s involvement in South West Africa, Angola, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, even Zambia has always fascinated me.
To a large extent the liberation forces and the South African security forces were merely pawns to be used on a much larger chessboard, victims of realpolitik as it was played out between the United States of America and the Soviet Union.
9 Mar 2009, 17:49 pm
#555 hjk:
anything called the ‘grensoorlog’ is bound to be total and utter shite imo, unless its done by proper historians, not by a brainwashed generation of macho young bucks. i mean after leaving school the only thing i knew about history was about Piet Retief, no-one else has even heard of piet retief. Its a disgrace. I want my money back.
#558 Stawm:
big picture my gat, think the ruling NP trying to curry favour with werstern powers with their propaganda of the supposed dangers of black rule…what dangers, the blacks that did come to power dismantled all these nukes that the white man created. someone needs to change this picture.
9 Mar 2009, 17:49 pm
#547 WP Till I Die: Apologies mate, I just lose it with this dude, the last time he came with drivel, I tried my utmost best to school him about African Civilization, dating back to the Egyptian Book of the Dead, African Iron Age,Timbuktu Ancient Manuscript, Greater Zimbabwe etc etc.
He’s tosser, I’ll let him be
9 Mar 2009, 17:50 pm
#490 GARY H: Loftus. It’s a disgrace.
9 Mar 2009, 17:50 pm
#561 hater: don’t insult the trash.
9 Mar 2009, 17:51 pm
#570 WP Till I Die:
What people also tend to forget is that a large part of the Pretoria government’s foreign policy was at times forced upon them by the United States.
Another fascinating area of research for me is how Rhodesia managed to keep its economy going after UDI despite massive international sanctions – specifically looking at sanctions-breaking.
The methods, techniques, human emotion involved in sanctions-busting is quite something; and once again just proved that foreign governments might say one thing in public but were perfectly happy to deal under the table if the price was right
9 Mar 2009, 17:51 pm
I so wish the politico’s would ALL fark off here, lefties, righties, Commies, Socialists, Capitalists………. just fark the hell off…
Do any of you DOOSSSSSSSSSS DELUXES think for one minute that a single comment here is going to change someone else’s mindset of hate.. from whichever way that hate blows ?
You’re wasting my time here, I wish you all DEAD !!
Piss off !
Hamba !
Voertsek !
Bloody Mamparras !
9 Mar 2009, 17:52 pm
#560 SpringbokSarah: cool, saw it late…
9 Mar 2009, 17:52 pm
#571 cab:
I think you should definitely get your schooling money back.
Theres a lot you are not understanding here.
“anything called the ‘grensoorlog’ is bound to be total and utter shite imo”
I dont even know what to think of this comment.
9 Mar 2009, 17:53 pm
#576 grootblousmile:
You wish I was dead?
Thats heavy!
9 Mar 2009, 17:53 pm
#571 cab:
Actually, the six tactical nuclear warheads were dismantled by the NP government before the handover of power. There were supposedly two reasons for this:
1) They did not want to risk them in the hands of a newly-elected revolutionary black government
2) The United States did not want proof of their involvement in the South African nuclear arms program to surface
9 Mar 2009, 17:54 pm
#572 XhosaKid:
I actually have a copy of The Egyptian Book of The Dead on my shelf
It has a place of honour along with my copies of The Epic of Gilgamesh and the Ramayana, amongst other things.
9 Mar 2009, 17:55 pm
#579 Stawm: Are you a Politico ?
If the answer is yes…. then I wish you DEAD, DEAD, DEAD !
9 Mar 2009, 17:57 pm
#574 SpringbokSarah: Quite right. I don’t make a habit of speaking to my garbage bin. I should not attempt to now.
9 Mar 2009, 17:57 pm
Anyway, I’m off. Let’s hope the Proteas can pull it through tomorrow!
9 Mar 2009, 17:58 pm
#576 grootblousmile: so why the hell do you still come here?
You come on here swearing left right and centre, dissing people who you know nothing about.
Stop acting like you’re the best damn thing that’s ever happened to the blog.
9 Mar 2009, 17:58 pm
#580 WP Till I Die:
yes cos mandela told them too. i think your reasons are very technical, the fact of the matter is they were the danger, not the swart of rooi or any other gevaars.
as a more general point, this article is about Watson and the utter hatred and contempt that has been shown to a 24 year-old whose sole crime appears to be a speech that he made, which was true, and that he appears to come from a family against apartheid.
so you know what this is a political article, and if you are not interested, dont get upset, simply fark off.
9 Mar 2009, 17:59 pm
#582 grootblousmile:
Thank goodness I’m sitting!!
Those are very heavy thoughts you have there, I suggest you let them go.
I’m no politico 4 sure, but I am for the truth.
And for people to decide on their own whats true and whats not without any facts to base it on really irks me.
9 Mar 2009, 18:00 pm
#577 XhosaKid: its fine.
#583 hater: rofl, no you shouldn’t hey, it might draw some stares.
#584 WP Till I Die: Yes, will keep my fingers crossed.
9 Mar 2009, 18:00 pm
What a fcuktup thread!!!!!!!!
9 Mar 2009, 18:01 pm
#553 cab:
well,I find that disgraceful.
The SADF fought a Soviet backed enemy. It’s why the Yanks where so stumm withregards to the apartheid situation and it was softly-softly sanctions. They backed the Israeli’s who they know backed us.
“Enemy”….or freedom fighters as some would see it, is a pointless debate. They where Soviet/Communist supported.
Don’t you ever even think that apartheid came close to the seriousness of Communism. I’ve been to the communist museum’s,Lubyanka and Lefortovo.
Robben Island….that’s a Maldives frikken holiday resort when compared with Lefortovo. Biko getting beaten to death….I’ve seen the ovens in Lubyanka.Where children where encouraged to turn their parents in to the KGB if they ever heard any derogatory communism chirps.
what was it Mandela said….something along the lines of “Apartheid was intellectual genoicide”..?
Not quite the same as actual genoicide now is it?
From 1918-1952…when Stalin died. Approximetely, because nobody is able to correctly calculate such huge numbers, 30-40 million murdered in Russia alone in the name of communism.
Not quite the Rwandan or Serbian idea of genoicide now was it?
The SADF where fighting the good fight, even if for all the wrong reasons.
9 Mar 2009, 18:01 pm
#585 SpringbokSarah: Ag jinne dogtertjie…. gaan doen liewer huiswerk….
9 Mar 2009, 18:05 pm
#589 K9 Pavement-special: Janee K9, what a crock of smelly ****….
9 Mar 2009, 18:05 pm
#553 cab: LMAO!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh my goodness that was funny. I totally agree.
9 Mar 2009, 18:07 pm
#589 K9 Pavement-special: Not you too
9 Mar 2009, 18:07 pm
#590 St.Petersburgbok: Hahahahahahahahahahaha – hey guys. One of you wanna tell Mandela that 27 years at Robben Island was a holiday resort?
9 Mar 2009, 18:08 pm
#590 St.Petersburgbok:
well StP, i found having to learn about Piet Retief disgraceful. we cant always get what we want.
as for apartheid being less worse than communism. i’d say thats runnish, the one is based on racial superiority, whereas the other is based on equality. now if you want to argue which regimes abused their policies more effectively, the dictator stalin went against its very tenets, whereas the NP stuck to their policy fundamentally. were the NP as bad as the nazis or stalinist russia, probably not in terms of numbers killed, but tell that to the victims of the TRC and wonderful individuals like that oke in charge of another famous military project invovling biological weapons.
monsters.
9 Mar 2009, 18:09 pm
#594 SpringbokSarah: Me too?
9 Mar 2009, 18:11 pm
#591 grootblousmile: I’m done
#597 K9 Pavement-special: All the swearing, sheesh
9 Mar 2009, 18:12 pm
#596 cab: AMEN.
9 Mar 2009, 18:14 pm
#598 SpringbokSarah: Well it fits in well with the trend here.
9 Mar 2009, 18:20 pm
Hoekom se niemand niks oor die vedeo van “Joost” op Rapport se website?
9 Mar 2009, 18:20 pm
#600 K9 Pavement-special: Why follow a trend?
In my school it seems we have found a little smoking problem. Now it doesn’t matter how many kids (of age or not) go behind the building and light up, it’s still not right.
9 Mar 2009, 18:21 pm
#601 Isigidi: Is dit daar op? Gaatjies onderbroek en al?
9 Mar 2009, 18:21 pm
#601 Isigidi: why don’t you call in tonight and ask him?
9 Mar 2009, 18:23 pm
#602 SpringbokSarah: Actually I dont have a problem with swearing. I do that a lot…esp when my team is playing or when in traffic. It is the hatred spewed at this site that gets to me.
9 Mar 2009, 18:23 pm
#601 Isigidi: Is it Joost? In your opinion.
9 Mar 2009, 18:25 pm
#603 K9 Pavement-special: So uittreksel. Ek sal ok skaam wees as ek hy is.
Reel nr 1. Jy trek nie jou kaal uit voor die girl eerste kaal is nie. Dom donner in die vedeo, joost of de not!
9 Mar 2009, 18:26 pm
How f….g pathetic Keo! When the Stormers fan booed Pukey you did not call them Louts! Or was this artickle for Cape Town consumption?
9 Mar 2009, 18:26 pm
#541 hater: Fighting against 10 000 or more in the crowd at Loftus is not changing the course of rugby. Maybe that was a perfect picture of how little an impact Luke Watson is really having. If Luke wants to change people who are in the crowd, who have no say so in SA rugby, just mere spectators in blue colours, then he would be advised to spend some time learning how to communicate the truth without becoming what he hates. My point was that he is not going to get anywhere as far as rugby goes as a whole, he is not going to change the way rugby is run in this country – you obviously missed that.
9 Mar 2009, 18:27 pm
#606 hater: Sure looks like him!
9 Mar 2009, 18:27 pm
#605 K9 Pavement-special: But why do people (myself included) swear at the TV? They can’t hear or see you?
9 Mar 2009, 18:28 pm
#582 grootblousmile: wie het jou so de moer in gemaak?
9 Mar 2009, 18:29 pm
#604 SpringbokSarah: Huh?
9 Mar 2009, 18:29 pm
#609 savethespringbok: He really doesn’t care about them
#610 Isigidi: I haven’t seen it don’t want to either
9 Mar 2009, 18:29 pm
#590 St.Petersburgbok: After reading drivel for an hour at last someone who actually knows what it was all about.
Naand GBS.
9 Mar 2009, 18:32 pm
#613 Isigidi: super rugby on kyknet, you call in and can ask Joost, Breyton or Kobus your question.
9 Mar 2009, 18:32 pm
#611 SpringbokSarah: K9 do it every Sat. I would also swear if my team looses all the time. He don’t only swear, he kicks dogs as well!!
9 Mar 2009, 18:33 pm
#615 blhoo:
do you remember it a bit like vietnam?
9 Mar 2009, 18:33 pm
#614 SpringbokSarah: you point? what does he care about? his own view that rugby amangement needs to be exactly go as he thinks it should? without EVER acknowledging any obvious good changes in rugby and representation of blacks in the sport?
9 Mar 2009, 18:34 pm
#609 savethespringbok: It takes one man to make a stand.#614 SpringbokSarah: Don’t go look. You’ll go blind. It totally looks like him and the article with the video appears to confirm it. #615 blhoo: I’m not doing the evening shift of sense. Someone else take over, I’m gonna have a long bath and watch you all fight.
9 Mar 2009, 18:35 pm
#616 SpringbokSarah: Believe it or not, I wrote them a mail bout 3 years ago promising that I will not watch Superrugby while Joost and Errol is co-presenters, and I never did again. Promise. So sorry girl, not my type of show, being a ******** and all.
9 Mar 2009, 18:35 pm
again with the hatred on this luke thread?
eish!
i am bleak because my wife is a “********” though really she would be just a “dutchie” but honestly she is of polish and german stock, a rare bloodline actually, akin to a very fine wine.
so she is a ****** kraut dutchie and our kids will be ****** kraut scots-irish dutchies.
poor little buggers but at least they will be mongrels, and everyone knows mongrels are tough. you have to be that way to live in africa i think.
9 Mar 2009, 18:35 pm
#617 Isigidi: Poor dogs… I must admit, the cats run away in the match though
9 Mar 2009, 18:36 pm
#617 Isigidi: Haha….says the Stormer supporter. hehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 18:37 pm
#621 Isigidi: Howzit? Have not seen you around for a while!
9 Mar 2009, 18:37 pm
#596 cab:
yes,I agree, i found studing Piet Retief and Afrikaans pretty pointless in the greater scheme of things. In fact…I down right absolutely hated being forced to study Afrikaans.
But to my credit, I didn’t adopt the strugglers policy of the time and burn my frikken school down, did I??
Possibly 1 of the reasons why am not one of the 10 or so million unemployed?
Or 1 of the 10 million others earning minimum wage?
(just a little swipe there from me withregards to people cutting off their noses to spite their faces.)
#595 hater:
unlike you, I’ve seen both. And nobody lasts 27 years at Lefotovo.
9 Mar 2009, 18:38 pm
#620 hater: sure it does, one man to make a stand, any amn can stand up and : “make a stand”
9 Mar 2009, 18:38 pm
#607 Isigidi:
Jy kan niks eers op daai video sien nie! MAar ek dink anyway hy is skuldig. Die dat die outjies n verklaring afgele het en alles erken het laat my glo dis wel hy.
9 Mar 2009, 18:39 pm
#618 cab: I couldn’t be bothered to discuss it. Actual experience will beat reading a book anyway.
I regard you rugby knowledge very highly, have done so for a couple of years now. Lets leave it at that.
9 Mar 2009, 18:39 pm
#619 savethespringbok: My point is he doesn’t want to change the people in the crowd on the fact he doesn’t care about them.
#620 hater: lol, I will take your word for it then.
#621 Isigidi: Pity… it would be entertaining to see his face when somebody asks him about it.
9 Mar 2009, 18:39 pm
#621 Isigidi:
hehe – dink nie eintlik Errol en Joost gee om of jy kyk of nie maar nou ja!
9 Mar 2009, 18:40 pm
#628 Supa Die Bloubul: Bloubul tor hehehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 18:41 pm
#629 blhoo:
ok, fair enough, lets leave it at that.
neither of us has a cat in ***** chance of convincing the other otherwise.
9 Mar 2009, 18:41 pm
#610 Isigidi:
There is no way you can tell from the clip in Rapport whether its him Isi??! I think its him because of those students that came out, but the Rapport clip doesnt show much.
9 Mar 2009, 18:41 pm
That ‘Joost’ clip on the rapport site is ****. Is that the best they’ve got.
9 Mar 2009, 18:42 pm
what a load of sycophantic drivel! Keo is so far up Cheeky’s bum he can taste Cheeky’s dinner! Luke played well by his own standards, but only average by the normal standards expected of a S14 loose forward. He had a few breaks off the back of the scrum, which is not hard since you have a free ball to work with, but seldom made ground. He disposessed Spies once, true, but Keo is strangely silent about how FdP took the ball off him like taking candy from a sleeping baby. Keo also completely ignores Vermeulen, who really did play well, and Keo promotes Watson’s right to “free speech” while seemingly unwilling to allow the rugby fans the same right. And as for the Biblical rant – come on Keo! It’s like listening to Tom Cruise on Oprah! Read the Bible before you try to quote it. The reference to Wilson is also seriously misplaced – Wilson scored three tries but Watson did nothing except turn up. Luke did not slay the Loftus crowd, he merely confirmed that he is a very average player. What made him so brave – its not like the Loftus crowd were allowed to vomit on him, far less injure the little guy? Methinks perhaps Keo was bullied as a laaitjie.
9 Mar 2009, 18:42 pm
#625 AB: Busy mostly AB. Rugby season so I need to se what the REAL experts have to say now and then. LOL. Wish the politics and Luke thing will go away.
How r u?
9 Mar 2009, 18:42 pm
just kidding eh dutchies?
soutie, out!
9 Mar 2009, 18:43 pm
#632 K9 Pavement-special:
Hoekom nou GBS hierby insleep?
9 Mar 2009, 18:44 pm
#628 Supa Die Bloubul: Waffer outjies?
9 Mar 2009, 18:44 pm
#626 St.Petersburgbok:
StP, those schools were burnt for a reason.
anyway lets concentrate on watson, since this is what the article is about, can anyone please explain to me why watson is singled out like this, while we’ve had terrible racists and murderers under the Bok emblem?
this is very hard to understand.
9 Mar 2009, 18:45 pm
#635 racheltjiedebeer:
exactly! Anyone who claims to know it is Joost from that clip are folling themselves!
9 Mar 2009, 18:45 pm
#635 racheltjiedebeer: have you tried youtube?
9 Mar 2009, 18:45 pm
#624 K9 Pavement-special: What’s up with the new name bro? Pas jou nie.
9 Mar 2009, 18:45 pm
Keo how are we supposed to take you seriously when your research is so obviously abysmal? “Fictional” biblical heroes? Seriously, did you even do history at school? Whether or not you’re religious or not, this is a factual error made by a supposedly “factual” journalist. I’m just saying you can’t claim credibility as a journo with errors like this. May as well say Shaka Zulu was a made-up character in a children’s story.
On a rugby note. If a crowd booing drives Luke Watson on to perform well, if he thrives on the field when the crowd is against him… then how is it a bad thing? Sure the onlookers don’t come away looking too great, but what matters surely is the players’ performances. If I thought booing the Springboks would make them win then hell yes I’d do it!
9 Mar 2009, 18:46 pm
#637 Isigidi: Can only move my fingers after a horse-riding weekend!
9 Mar 2009, 18:47 pm
#631 Supa Die Bloubul: Hey hey hey Player 23 boetie onthou! Hulle is nokkol sonder fans, nokkol!
9 Mar 2009, 18:49 pm
#644 Isigidi: Sal aan ‘n ander een dink……….eks eintlik opreg.
9 Mar 2009, 18:49 pm
#640 Isigidi:
Wat de hel is n “waffer outjie”??? hehe
Bron vertel hoe Joost-video gemaak is
Inge Kühne
Druk artikel
E-pos storie aan ‘n vriend
Joost van der Westhuizen.
Pretoria
Hy het Mike Bolhuis – die private speurder wat die berugte “Joost-seksvideo” namens dié oud-Bok ondersoek – nog nooit in sy lewe gesien nie.
Nog minder is hy deur Bolhuis ondervra.
Só sê die man wat verantwoordelik was daarvoor dat die video-sekskapades van Joost van der Westhuizen op die lappe gekom het.
Michael* is die bron van die omstrede video. Dit is die eerste keer dat hy ’n onderhoud oor die video toestaan.
Bolhuis se bewering die afgelope week dat hy die “twee polisiemanne” geïdentifiseer het én die vrou agter die video ondervra het, slaan hom dronk.
Hy lyk skoon verdwaas hier waar hy in ’n kuierplek in die hartjie van Pretoria daaroor praat.
Dis Blou Bul-wêreld dié en hy vrees die dag as die mense hier rond uitvind dit was hý wat die video aan die skindertydskrif Heat gegee het.
“Kyk, ek bewe,” se hy en hou sy groot hand vir ‘n oomblik in die lug bokant die tafelblad.
Sy senuwees is gaar.
As sy ma-hulle dit uitvind …
Hulle is gesiene mense, vertel hy.
En die Joost-ondersteuners wat so onwrikbaar aan hul rugbyheld glo … As Joost hom kry. En Bolhuis.
Joost het hy al ’n paar keer skrams ontmoet. Hulle het in ’n stadium in dieselfde kringe beweeg.
Bolhuis se foto het hy op die internet gekry nadat hy gehoor het dat dié private speurder die “komplot” namens Joost sou oopvlek. Hy wou weet hoe die man lyk ingeval Bolhuis hom dalk regtig kom soek.
“As die honde by die hek blaf, skrik ek my elke keer dood,” bieg hy.
Veel van ’n komplot was dit nie, blyk dit. Dit was eintlik maar net ’n plannetjie wat een dag laas jaar in ’n studentewoonstel bekook is.
Michael se vriend Anton* het destyds ’n paar maande lank uitgegaan met ’n ontkleedanseres, Sonja*. Sy het Joost twee keer privaat ontmoet.
Dis nie reg nie, het die twee vriende daardie dag in die woonstel vir mekaar gesê. Mense bewonder Joost. En dan doen hy sulke dinge agter sy vrou se rug.
Net daar het hulle die plan bedink om sy volgende besoek aan Sonja op band vas te lê.
Maar hoe? Nie een van hulle het al ooit ’n steelvideo probeer maak nie.
Hulle het wel ’n kamera gehad. En hulle het ’n handsak gekoop om die kamera in te versteek.
Dit wou nie inpas nie en hulle het die voering uitgeskeur om plek te maak. Hulle het bra’s en broekies bo-op die kamera gepak om dit te versteek.
Toe bel Sonja vir Joost. Die afspraak is gemaak en Sonja is daar weg na die woonstel van ’n vriend van Joost in Moreletapark. Sy was gespanne, maar Anton het vir haar gesê dit gaan oukei wees.
Die twee mans het by Anton se woonstel nie ver daarvandaan nie gewag.
Wat hulle nie toe besef het nie, is dat Joost laat was vir die afspraak. Die hele storie het toe uiteindelik langer aangehou as wat hulle verwag het.
Anton het later kriewelrig geraak. Hy het Sonja drie keer gebel. Jy kan die telefoon op die video **** lui. Op die video sien jy hoe sy die oproepe ignoreer.
Michael sê hy en Anton het Joost later van ’n telefoonhokkie in Johannesburg af gebel. Hy sê hulle wou Joost g’n afpers nie. Hulle wou hom net waarsku dat hulle die video het en dat hy moet ophou “neuk” met die meisies.
Joost het só woedend gereageer dat hulle net daar afgesien het van enige planne om die video bekend te maak, sê hy.
Michael het die kasset in sy kombuislaai gebêre.
Anton en Sonja se paaie het geskei en albei het weggetrek uit Pretoria.
Agt maande het verloop.
Toe **** Michael vroeg in die nuwe j aar ’n skinderstorie dat Joost met ’n meisie gevry het by ’n nagklub in Pretoria se studente-gebied.
En net daar besluit hy toe die tyd is reg om vorendag te kom met die video.
Hy het eers Anton en Sonja se toestemming gekry. Sonja het nie beswaar gehad nie solank sy net nie geïdentifiseer word nie. Sy dans nie meer nie.
Hy wat Michael is, sal twee keer dink voordat hy dit weer doen.
Net hy en vier vriende weet dat hy die man agter die video is. En hy hoop om dit só te hou.
• * Skuilname.
9 Mar 2009, 18:50 pm
The thing Keo is missing here is that Twatson always plays well against the bulls and even better when he’s at Loftus so you cant judge him on this game nor on the few the stormers have played. Besides so far the stormers season is going the same as all the ones before, perinnial under-achievers! Bar JdV they all playing kak so its hard to compare them to anyone.
Luke can play, but rugby is a team sport and he needs to learn that. He dug his own hole and only he can get himself out of that. I agree with many of his views, but not the way he went about them. If he felt so bad about the Jersey why did he accept it? And the fat pay cheque? And go on the front of SI with the Bok across his chest acting like he was superman? He still has got a long way to go to get out that hole!
9 Mar 2009, 18:50 pm
#646 AB: Hey AB……time to get urself a car.
9 Mar 2009, 18:50 pm
#643 SpringbokSarah: Nope. Is it there?
9 Mar 2009, 18:51 pm
Ek het net twee vrae:
1. Het Luke saterdag gespeel ?, en
2. Wie is Luke ?
9 Mar 2009, 18:52 pm
#647 Isigidi:
Mense kla oor ENIGE program, dis deel van die show. Solank hulle genoeg het wat steeds kyk, worry hulle nie oor die een of twee wat kla nie.
9 Mar 2009, 18:52 pm
#646 AB: Imagine what the horse feels like!
9 Mar 2009, 18:52 pm
And why is the piel blacked out but nothing done to protect the poor female’s dignity.
9 Mar 2009, 18:52 pm
#653 alf:
Al wat ek van Luke af weet is:
Hy dra kouse en het gaaitjies onderbroeke
9 Mar 2009, 18:53 pm
#650 I wanna be coach: have you still got that picture?
Mine’s in storage
9 Mar 2009, 18:54 pm
Hierdie artikel van keo is een van die snaakste artikels wat ek nog gelees het.
Watson het glo Loftus geklop, maar Stormers het verloor ?
Dit laat my dink aan daai rugbyspelers wat altyd goed lyk NADAT die fluitjie geblaas het … wanneer dit nie werklik saak maak nie …
9 Mar 2009, 18:55 pm
#652 racheltjiedebeer: I don’t know! I’m 15 I really don’t want to see Joost or PDV’s *** tapes
9 Mar 2009, 18:55 pm
#656 racheltjiedebeer:
hehehe – maybe he just has a black….
Funny that the whole Joost saga is all over the papers and blogs etc. but Naka cheating ons his wife with a friend’s wife barely gets mentioned.
Both are wrong.
9 Mar 2009, 18:57 pm
#654 Supa Die Bloubul: Pap snoek met wurms as jy weer kom kuier! Jou dametjie kan wel steak, wors en slaai kry. Hehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 18:57 pm
#659 alf:
Die snaakste van Keo se artikel is dat hy se die skare het nie geweet wat om verder te doen behalwe boo nie. Wat de hel kan hulle anders doen??!! Iemand het vanoggend n mooi antwoord gegee, sal kyk of ek dit kry.
9 Mar 2009, 18:59 pm
#661 Supa Die Bloubul:
haha – glo nie ek sal eers snoek kry nie. Daai klomp in die Kaap brag alewig oor hoe goed hulle vis kan braai en as ek kom kuier dan maak hulle vark??!!
9 Mar 2009, 18:59 pm
Hilarious stuff in this thread.
I must try this.
If I think something hard enough in my head, then it must be true, and I will believe it to be true.
Facts will no deter me.
Aaah dementia, so under-rated.
9 Mar 2009, 19:00 pm
#663 Supa Die Bloubul: Wat hulle altyd op loftus doen. Vrouens slaan mekaar terwyl die mans hande klap
9 Mar 2009, 19:00 pm
#659 alf: Jy’s ok snaaks. Ou grapkas!
9 Mar 2009, 19:01 pm
Waar is Skop? Hierdie thread gaan hom ‘n permanente h—-n gee.
9 Mar 2009, 19:05 pm
#666 K9 Pavement-special: So die naweek is ‘n grote daar in die Wes Kaap op nuweland.
9 Mar 2009, 19:05 pm
Shooter so comment vandag oor keo se die skare was uit idees uit:
63. shooter :
March 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am Keo in his business day article make it sound as if the crowd had other options.
What?! Send in a streaker tackler? Smuggle in Vuvuzelas? Throw the players with naarjties? Alternate booing with rhytmic clapping at first, then 2 minute silences ala Indina crowds, do a synchronised stadium mooning of Luke? No Keo, they booed. Because to any crowd in the right context, it’s the most fun thing to do.
Maybe most of the crowd even had a good laugh afterwards. We all did. I think it was a good release valve for all the supporters, and it will probably be easier going going forward.
9 Mar 2009, 19:06 pm
#669 Ed_the_Lion: Jis jis Ed!!!! Stormers sal hul game moet lig as hulle enigsins ‘n game wil maak daarvan.
9 Mar 2009, 19:07 pm
#666 K9 Pavement-special:
Vroue slaan? Praat jy nou weer van jou hero Earl Rose??
9 Mar 2009, 19:08 pm
#671 K9 Pavement-special: Ek stem saam. Was maar ‘n boring naweek sonder ordentlike rugby.
9 Mar 2009, 19:08 pm
#671 K9 Pavement-special:
Wonder of die twee ondersteuners by die Cokeblik Luke sou geboo as die game daar was…
9 Mar 2009, 19:08 pm
#651 K9 Pavement-special: Geld is op!
9 Mar 2009, 19:09 pm
#673 Ed_the_Lion:
Hoop net daai “ordentlike” span van julle trap die bergies Saterdag..
9 Mar 2009, 19:09 pm
#674 Supa Die Bloubul: natuurlik, hy verdien dit!!
9 Mar 2009, 19:09 pm
#676 Supa Die Bloubul: ek ook Supa..
9 Mar 2009, 19:10 pm
#675 AB:
Lekker AB! Hoe gaan dit?
Die spanne is seker bly die Bulls het n loslootjie die naweek ander het hulle nog n verloor in die gesig gestaar.
9 Mar 2009, 19:10 pm
#658 SpringbokSarah: No it pissed me off too much at the time, him thinking he was a super Bok without even one cap. Thats the issue with Twatson, he needs to achieve first and comment or celebrate after. He does it the other way around. Remember it well though
9 Mar 2009, 19:11 pm
#571 cab: So you haven’t seen it? In that case, don’t just diss it. It WAS done by proper historians, incorporating material from SWAPO, FAPLA, UNITA, SADF, ANC, and a whole lot of others. A guy who was quoted extensively was a guy named Piero Gleisjes – google him if you want to.
9 Mar 2009, 19:12 pm
#677 Ed_the_Lion:
Mense se altyd daar gaan min mense na die Leeus se games toe op Ellis Park. Ek daar gaan eintlik baie elke naweek – dis net dat die helfte veilig daar aankom.
9 Mar 2009, 19:12 pm
#679 Supa Die Bloubul: Lyk my Joost se lootjie was bietjie te los.
#673 Ed_the_Lion: Ja eks weer lus vir groot rugby.
9 Mar 2009, 19:13 pm
All we could OFFER?
This is BS. If I could, I would have jumped the NORTHERN MAIN STAND fence AND gave him a good OLD ******** PK, as did the other 15000 fans sitting in that CORNER, Stormers fans included.
Comparing him to RELIGIOUS figures is also INSANE.
He cannot just be a rugby player because he CHOSE to take on a CULTURAL group. Why is this not labelled racism?
This guy really needs to go play in JAPAN.
This guy is NOT a hero. He wants attention.
9 Mar 2009, 19:14 pm
#682 Supa Die Bloubul:
Ek dink jy is reg, want as jy eers in is, is dit veilig. Daai bietjie bang wat in jou is vir die terug ry drink jy weg. Net om daar te kom is die groot storie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:14 pm
#682 Supa Die Bloubul: Ek verkies ‘n lee ellispark bo daai oos pawiljoen van loftus. Torrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee
9 Mar 2009, 19:15 pm
#568 hater: I’m telling you, I was there. Was Keo there? Anyway, YES Watson was booed, but was he called a k—fboetie and a s—-l by “The majority” of the crowd? NO, NO, 1000 times no! Ask Richie if he was there and if not, why he would fabricate something he could not know if he wasn’t there!
9 Mar 2009, 19:15 pm
#683 K9 Pavement-special: Ons gaan hierdie een vat.
9 Mar 2009, 19:15 pm
#685 Ed_the_Lion: Nie ‘n plek vir sissies nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:15 pm
#679 Supa Die Bloubul: Ja almal is bly die bulle rus die naweek! Klomp banggatte!
9 Mar 2009, 19:16 pm
#689 K9 Pavement-special: Is dit hoekom daar nooit Wp ondersteuners daar is nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:17 pm
#688 Ed_the_Lion: Dink ook so. Die ref het ons gerob teen die bulle..
9 Mar 2009, 19:18 pm
#692 K9 Pavement-special: Moerse gerob. Kan nogsteeds nie verstaan hoekom hulle vir foken Bosch gekry het om daardie game te blaas nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:18 pm
#570 WP Till I Die: Yes, that’s how things seem to me these days as well. It’s a long discussion and I would like to see Grensoorlog again. That portion of history is important to me and I must say, the ANC isn’t making it any easier. See the cockup that is Freedom park and the whole fiasco with CC’s 20th anniversary.
9 Mar 2009, 19:18 pm
#690 AB: Ja eks bly. Moeg om aan die slaap te raak terwyl ek rugby kyk.
9 Mar 2009, 19:18 pm
#681 hjk: Without paging back what are you talking about, program or written?
9 Mar 2009, 19:19 pm
#685 Ed_the_Lion:
Bwahahaha!
#686 K9 Pavement-special:
Vreemd, ek sou se jy pas goed daar in.
#692 K9 Pavement-special:
Bwahahaha. Die refs rob julle ook elke jaar van al die trofees ne?
9 Mar 2009, 19:20 pm
#693 Ed_the_Lion: Absoluut. En die lynregters het hul gidshonde by die huis vergeet. Jy gesien hoe donner ons hulle op in skrums…….sonder Heinke sommer?
9 Mar 2009, 19:20 pm
#571 cab: About the nukes, Cab: they were dismantled before 1994 and the material was sold to the US. The ANC only sold the enrichment technology to the Chinese.
9 Mar 2009, 19:21 pm
#697 Supa Die Bloubul: Daai oos pawiljoen lyk soos ‘n mullet konvensie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:23 pm
#693 Ed_the_Lion: #692 K9 Pavement-special:
Dink julle twee moet alleen in n bar in Joburg gaan sit en huil oor die ref, dan stap julle dronk deur Joburg en ervaar self wat “gerob” beteken.
9 Mar 2009, 19:23 pm
#698 K9 Pavement-special: Ons het die skrums maklik gewen. Soos jy sê, die lynregters se gidshonde was afwesig gewees op die dag, maar philip bosch het heeltemal beheer verloor oor daardie game. Snaaks dat hulle so poepol vior so groot game kry. Hy ken seker vir Ludekak persoonlik.
9 Mar 2009, 19:23 pm
#576 grootblousmile: Wie het in jou bier gepiepie? Ons kan gesels oor wat ons wil totdat iemand ons van die site afgooi. Met respek. As jy nie wil lee wat ons skrywe nie, eh, wel, moenie dit lees nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:23 pm
#701 Supa Die Bloubul: Of Loftus toe gaan!!
9 Mar 2009, 19:25 pm
#700 K9 Pavement-special:
Bwahaha! Dis juis die dat ek se jy behoort daar te pas. Nooi sommer Ettiene Reyneke ook saam!
#702 Ed_the_Lion:
Klink my julle het omtrent alles gewen behalwe die game?
9 Mar 2009, 19:25 pm
#701 Supa Die Bloubul: Ons sal nie vir lank alleen kan sit nie dan is daar 20 girls om ons hehehehe. So dit sal nie werk nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:28 pm
#706 K9 Pavement-special:
dis net omdat julle by n hoerskool sokkie suip!
9 Mar 2009, 19:28 pm
#706 K9 Pavement-special: Dit maak my bang van Loftus. Ek is nie altyd seker of dit girls is nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:28 pm
#699 hjk:
Yes, you and WPTID are obviously very informed over our past military shennanigans, never been much interested in that. i respect your take on things, but the SADF were central to the entire bully machine.
I’m not even sure the SA military were ever that good despite the massive money and conscription thrown at it. the only just was was probably trying to repel the poms and even then it was a matter of shooting from a distance and jumping on a horse.
i mean for a country besotted with its military history, have there any been any major casualties, apart from a could of pissed yarps falling off the back of a chopper while re-enacting apocalypse now?
9 Mar 2009, 19:29 pm
#706 K9 Pavement-special: en dit sluit die bulle se dancing girls in.
9 Mar 2009, 19:29 pm
#595 hater: He came out alive, didn’t he? If it was Lefortovo he would have died within 6 months.
9 Mar 2009, 19:29 pm
Jy gesien hoe kwaad was GBS hierbo? Lees dit nou eers. Hoekom het hy so kwaad geword? Moes erg gewees het want ken min mense met so baie geduld soos GBS.
9 Mar 2009, 19:30 pm
#708 Ed_the_Lion: Rustig Supa. Het jy gesien, toe ons begin praat van die bulle toe jaag ons al die politicians weg. Eending waarvoor die bulle goed is.
9 Mar 2009, 19:30 pm
#708 Ed_the_Lion:
Is ouens dan gereeld aangetrokke tot jou?
9 Mar 2009, 19:30 pm
#708 Ed_the_Lion: Of watter van die mans is eintlik girls nie hehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 19:30 pm
#709 cab: Dont air opinions on stuff you know nothing about!
9 Mar 2009, 19:31 pm
#712 Supa Die Bloubul: Hy is gatvol vir al die politiek kak. Hy was hoogs die moer in. Ek het net gelees en my kop geskud vir party mense hier.
9 Mar 2009, 19:31 pm
#716 AB:
that does not stop you from talking on rugby.
9 Mar 2009, 19:31 pm
#712 Supa Die Bloubul: Iemand het gesê dat Earl nie talent het nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:32 pm
#713 Ed_the_Lion:
hehehehe – Ek sal nogal n debat wil sien tussen Bakkies en Juan Smith in Ingels. Moet moer snaaks wees!
9 Mar 2009, 19:32 pm
#714 Supa Die Bloubul: Ek weet nie. Jy kan my sê as ons ooit ontmoet.
#715 K9 Pavement-special:
9 Mar 2009, 19:33 pm
#713 Ed_the_Lion: Dis waar…klomp van daai goggas is terug gate toe.
9 Mar 2009, 19:33 pm
#719 K9 Pavement-special: hehehehehe.
#720 Supa Die Bloubul: ek sit weer hier en lag my gat af, en niemand verstaan hoekom nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:33 pm
#715 K9 Pavement-special: Dis amazing hoe dit net die ouens wat onder op die log is hier probeer k@k gesels met die BULLE!
9 Mar 2009, 19:33 pm
#719 K9 Pavement-special:
LMAO!
9 Mar 2009, 19:34 pm
#721 Ed_the_Lion:
9 Mar 2009, 19:34 pm
#703 hjk: Moenie daar gaan nie….GBS is ‘n instelling op die site.
9 Mar 2009, 19:34 pm
#722 K9 Pavement-special: Hulle kan mos ‘n http://www.keopolitician.co.za begin dan hoef ek nie te lees hoe die hele donnerse land se rugby ondersteuners oor politiek voel nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:35 pm
#718 cab: I will heed your advise if you do mine!
9 Mar 2009, 19:35 pm
In case anyone else is interested in the breakdown lottery mentioned earlier, this I found quite informative
REFEREEING THE BREAKDOWN
THU, 29 JAN 2009 15:18
At the courses for the National Panel of South African referees and for the Provincial panel with the top women referees, the three main topics of discussion were the breakdown, the line-out and the scrum.
We shall give some of the pointers from these discussions which were lively and led by André Watson and Tappe Henning with clips to illustrate each point.
The breakdown is for rugby football both agony and ecstasy. It is the phase of the game that is hardest to referee and creates the most penalties. It is also the phase which produces the continuity that is such an exciting feature of the game.
A famous priest/coach at Blackrock College once said: “After the grace of God the most important thing in life is quick ball from a ruck.”
The course dealt the basics but also with calling the ruck, the low clean-out and taking space.
Two principles apply to all refereeing, but especially getting possession:
1. the fair contest.
2. The reason for sanctions should be clear and obvious.
The basics of refereeing the tackle concerned:
* Tackler
* Ball-carrier
* Arriving players
When it came to offences the sequence of offence could vary and it was important to deal with the first offence.
* The tackler was required to release the tackled player and troll away immediately. He could roll sideways or towards his own goal-line.
* The ball carrier was to play the ball immediately
* Arriving players must be on their feet and come through the gate.
If all is not right, the referee should manage by communication and/or sanction.
Communication should be brief, to the point, and said once: “Roll away” or “Leave it.”
If the referee sees an infringement he allows advantage or sanctions.
In refereeing the tackle, the referee should let the players play the game. The players love the contest. If the players are on their feet, the referee should let them play on. Don’t referee the contest out of the breakdown.
This means that the referee should not be in a hurry to call Ruck and he should not call ruck at all unless a ruck has clearly been formed.
All the four elements must be there for a ruck – at least one player from each side in physical contact over the ball which is on the ground.
Once the referee has called ruck, much of the contest ends as players may no longer use their hands and offside lines come into play. The ruck is more demanding of the referee as he has to look for more things. In addition defending players fan out defence, which creates more tackles for the referee to deal with.
Sealing-off
This is going off the feet and over the ball and staying there to deny the opposition to contest.
Symptoms: the body position (head down and bum up) and making the ball invisible.
Sometimes this is done in pairs. A team-mate cleaves to the ball-carrier. He is sometimes refereed to as the hammer. They both go to ground, the hammer on top of the ball-carrier and denying the opposition an chance to get to the ball. The hammer must roll away immediately they go to ground.
This should be watched especially late in the match when the team slightly ahead seeks to “run down the clock”. This often happens that the ball-carrier, having grabbed the ball at a tackle, then immediately goes to ground with the hammer with him. For the ball-carrier to go immediately to ground is already an offence.
Low clean-out
A low clean-out occurs when there is a tackle and the ball-carriers team-mate arrives to shift the tackler away from the ball. Of necessity the tackler is low to the ground. The ball-carrier’s team-mate is allowed to remove the tackler provided that he does not infringe.
The low clean-out can be legal.
* If the cleaner is low but not going in head-first, let play go on.
* If the cleaner rolls away to leave the opposition free to contest/get possession, let play go on.
* If the cleaner’s action makes the ball available (visible), let play go on.
If he uses a sharp shoulder with an intention to drive into an opponent to hurt the opponent, penalise him.
It is important for the referee to distinguish between going off the feet and a low clean-out.
(There was an example of incorrect management of a low clean-out in the Scotland-South Africa match in November when Mike Blair tackled JP Petersen and Schalk Burger came into drive Blair away. Burger’s body is parallel to the ground and his head up. He gets to the end of his action and does not impede the defenders from getting to the ball. His action made the ball immediately available. It was an example of an excellent clean-out and play could have gone on.)
Taking space
Players – usually the ball-carrier’s team-mates – should be allowed to step through the tackle to protect the ball provided that they stay on their feet and do so near to (within a metre of) the ball. If such players go off their feet, they must move.
They are allowed to repel opponents who try to get to the ball.
Sanctions
In the Super 14 there will be free kicks where in the rest of rugby there will be penalties.
Sometimes in Super 14 free kicks graduate to penalties.
The sequence of events for tackle infringements would be free kick, then penalty and a team warning, then penalty and a yellow card.
The warning must be to a team for it to produce further action,. If a team is warned, that warning does not apply to their opponents.
Referees are encouraged to set tackle standards early. Coaches want to be “hit” early when there is still time to put things right, not at the end of a match.
Cynical Offence
The cynical offence should always be penalised, regardless of when it occurs. It is not dependent on a warning to a team.
Cynical defined: Any action by a player which denies the ball-carrying team a definite opportunity to use the ball as they want in an attacking context.
A cynical offence warrants a yellow card.
9 Mar 2009, 19:35 pm
#641 cab: I’m not arguing, but can you name them?
9 Mar 2009, 19:35 pm
#724 AB: Ek laat jou sommer weer perdry! Sommer vanaand nog.
9 Mar 2009, 19:36 pm
#723 Ed_the_Lion:
Ek skud self soos ek lag!
#724 AB:
Ja AB. Die leeus ondersteuners is maar n vreemde klomp! Maar hulle is n dying breed…so een van die dae gesels ons alleen!
9 Mar 2009, 19:37 pm
#733 Supa Die Bloubul: En K9 by nr 719 is vir my een van die bestes ooit. In plein afrikaans, dit is kak snaaks.
9 Mar 2009, 19:38 pm
#732 K9 Pavement-special: jy was great by 719. fok dit is snaaks, wens gbs kon dit sien.
9 Mar 2009, 19:38 pm
Imagine Bakkies is die MC by n funksie van die Britse Leeus later vanjaar…daai Britte sal die heelaand wonder wat de F$% gaan aan!
9 Mar 2009, 19:38 pm
#728 Ed_the_Lion: Ja nee. Paar slim mense hier ****. Hulle was al oral in die wereld. Sommer al terug beweeg in tyd ook. Kan nie verstaan dat mense wat so baie van alles weet nog tyd het om te blog nie. Hulle behoort in aanvraag te wees…..oral. Vanaf NASA to Mensa.
9 Mar 2009, 19:39 pm
#731 hjk:
better not, apparently the okes want to talk rugby now on a political thread, they were all booing watson, but now its all rugby. laat ons maar rugby praat. will never understand it, they’ll all gang-up and then when getting what for, its all about the rugby, unbelievable.
besides old 911 has given a pretty interesting piece above.
9 Mar 2009, 19:39 pm
#734 Ed_the_Lion:
Ja, dit was moer snaaks!
#735 Ed_the_Lion:
Ok dis nou genoeg, wil jy nie hom blaas ook nie?
9 Mar 2009, 19:40 pm
#735 Ed_the_Lion: Kry een van die dae sy nuwe bril….hehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 19:42 pm
#739 Supa Die Bloubul: Sies man!!!
9 Mar 2009, 19:42 pm
#740 K9 Pavement-special:
Fark, n ou in Brakpan met n bril word seker erg gespot…
9 Mar 2009, 19:42 pm
#711 hjk: Okay. I was happy to log off and enjoy the banter, but i have to respond to the **** you just posted.
1. You and St Petersbergbok want to make the rest of us believe that what was done to Mandela and other South African’s was a kindness. Throwing people off buildings, raping the women, beating the school kids and shooting rubber bullets were a kindness because some of us happen to still be alive? Tell me, if it was left up to you and not Verwoerd, and Smuts etc would you have arranged for me to be raped and beaten, would you have commanded Wouter Basson to come up with more evil methods to kill people, than what he managed to achieve.
2. If you think, it was fun, living in your racist apartheid “paradise” why don;t we arrange for you to be locked up in Robben Island for 27 years, and why don;t we try and electricute your testicals and rape your wifes and mothers and sisters, since it was all fun for us black people to be tortured and a “holiday resort” to be at Robben Island how about us locking you two up for the next 30 years! {Piece of cake right, you pieces of ****. And when you come out. Hopefully alive, I hope you are full of forgiveness and kindness. I hope you are capable of preaching peace. I hope the both of you can even dream of being capable of that.
Now F%ck off you inhumane pieces of ****.
9 Mar 2009, 19:43 pm
#739 Supa Die Bloubul: Nee man. Dit is net ek kan al GBS se gesig sien as hy dit moet lees.
#740 K9 Pavement-special: ek gaan dit sommer vir hom stuur oor FB.
9 Mar 2009, 19:44 pm
#742 Supa Die Bloubul: LMFGA.
9 Mar 2009, 19:44 pm
#742 Supa Die Bloubul: Haaaahahahaha….dink hy is moer slim.
9 Mar 2009, 19:45 pm
#743 hater:
Its difficult to tell wether you are upset or not?
9 Mar 2009, 19:46 pm
#731 hjk: Kill rate of 60:1 plus 2100 Cubans pretty good fighting in my books.
3000 vs 25000 no mean feat.
Also wonder why the Commanding General was recalled to Cuba and shot in front of a firing squad if they had won the war?
Go figure!!!!!
9 Mar 2009, 19:46 pm
#743 hater: Did you write this with a smile or a tear?
9 Mar 2009, 19:47 pm
haha. Imagine GBS stap oor die straat om te spog met sy nuwe bril dan kom daar n groep 6 jarige laaities en spot hom en gooi sy bril stukkend!
9 Mar 2009, 19:48 pm
#749 Ed_the_Lion:
with a keybord.
9 Mar 2009, 19:49 pm
#750 Supa Die Bloubul: GBS vang altyd die outjies wat Zap-signs vir die Caltex bunny wys!
9 Mar 2009, 19:50 pm
#750 Supa Die Bloubul:
9 Mar 2009, 19:51 pm
#696 blhoo: A series called “Grensoorlog” which was on Kyknet for about 6 months last year, 30 minute episodes on a Sunday evening. It may come out on DVD, it may be quite interesting…
9 Mar 2009, 19:51 pm
#752 AB:
hehehe – maar dis net omdat hy en die Caltex bunny huisvriende is.
9 Mar 2009, 19:52 pm
I quote:
“Soldiers buried the hatchet.
Politicians, Apologists and their groupies keep slinging mud.
But, that is how it is…..”
9 Mar 2009, 19:52 pm
#750 Supa Die Bloubul: As jy ‘n bril dra in Brakpan word jy sommer gekies as burgermeester.
9 Mar 2009, 19:53 pm
The racism on this blog at the beginning of this thread is shocking… I really have little time for this blog anymore this it got hijacked and Bloggers I used to respect showed their true colours.
As for Luke, watever, Loftus will always be like that. They boo’ed Monty even and I couldn’t give a stuff what they think. Watson is an overrated player, had a great game but until he makes himself as Keo said, “Just a Rugby player” I have little time for him although there is some truth to his words.
9 Mar 2009, 19:54 pm
#757 K9 Pavement-special:
hehe – ja selfs al het jou bril nie lense in nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:54 pm
#752 AB: LMFGA!
9 Mar 2009, 19:54 pm
The Pretoria Crowd wanted to show him what they think of him. They are entitled to that. Mob rule in the Arena is the Order of the day and all players and Gladiators in history should understand it. They reflect Public Opinion.
Luke’s only mistake was to re-act the way he did. In doing so he showed he was hearing them, that he understood WHY they booed…so…the crowd knows..the message was transmitted.
So now we get to ethics….is it right, is it ok…all that stuff. I am sure 99.99% or more of Every Loftus fan who booed was NOT present when Luke spoke of the jersey, of Vomiting, of being a Bok. They respond to hearsay…to someone else who says they understand what he said??
In this sense…they were wrong…They dont know what he meant, and maybe, neither does he.
I say, its part of where we are…what we are…we should forget it and let the man play if he wants to.
BUT: If De Villiers selects him as a BOK……eish…THAT will be a test I wont miss. Maybe De Villiers has bigger Ballas than I think…..
CM
9 Mar 2009, 19:55 pm
Cheers manne en manninne. Die laaste 30 minute was nou sommer goed vir my gewees. Sien more of later weer.
9 Mar 2009, 19:55 pm
#758 Bagel:
You know Luke and JAke White got booed at Newlands right?
9 Mar 2009, 19:57 pm
#709 cab: Do you measure military success/history based on the number of casualties? I suggest then you try Delleville(sp?) wood. Yarps? That’s not very nice…
9 Mar 2009, 19:57 pm
I must say this is all rather interesting
and keo put the baited hook in the water and low and behold every little fishy just could not resist a mighty big hap at it, now the hook is biting vas and they just can’t shake the line, its reeling them in, one little fishy at a time, and wonder of wonders there is sweet f’ck all any one of them can do about it.
9 Mar 2009, 19:57 pm
#762 Ed_the_Lion:
Cheers Edd, dink ek moet ook iets te ete gaan soek. Wil inelgeval nie met die klomp Lulu fans gesels nie.
9 Mar 2009, 19:58 pm
#762 Ed_the_Lion: Cheers Ed….moet ook gou ry. Sien jou een of ander tyd in ‘n bar in Jhb saam die bulle se dancing girls.
9 Mar 2009, 19:58 pm
#756 blhoo:
i quote confucious:
‘war not determine who right or wrong, but who left’
i quote the good book:
‘there will be a final accounting at the end of time, die wat ja gestem het of wat niks gedoen het will be counted and will come back in a persecuted form in their next life’
9 Mar 2009, 19:59 pm
#727 blhoo: Ek weet, dis hoekom ek ‘n vriendelike smiley ingesit het.
9 Mar 2009, 19:59 pm
Okay everyone now for a little cricket. Kallis and AB looking very good at close today.
At 3pm they had 142 at 5pm 244. We are in with a chance to draw this test if those two can survive the new ball tomorrow morning. Just need to face the new ball for 10 overs or so and if they are still there they will be there until lunch time. Well could be. Only of course the pitch has so many cracks now. Then their bowlers looking really tired after bowling in the heat and humidity today. If those two can surive the new ball after 10 or 15 overs. Those bowlers are going to be really tired. We could draw this.
Go Proteas.
9 Mar 2009, 19:59 pm
what a shocker for this blog…just read through the comments….makes me rather sad to be a saffa…
9 Mar 2009, 19:59 pm
Mmmmm,
Wie moer ek eerste…. K9 of Supa of Ed…
Julle fokkerrrsssssss, skinder julle lekwar !
9 Mar 2009, 20:00 pm
#765 yliad: And now it’s your turn, because we all know you couldn’t miss this debate for the end of the world. I’m also almost more often than not agreeing with you.
So please rant away Skoppie…
9 Mar 2009, 20:01 pm
#738 cab: True, I’ll re-read 911′s piece. I’m still catching up on the thread.
9 Mar 2009, 20:01 pm
#772 grootblousmile: Hol manne!!!
9 Mar 2009, 20:01 pm
#767 K9 Pavement-special: K9 you watch any of the cricket today?
9 Mar 2009, 20:01 pm
#770 Puma: watched the last hour and a half…you 100%…the first hour will be so crucial tomorrow…what a fantastic stage for Kallis to maybe get that elusive 200 ??
9 Mar 2009, 20:02 pm
I wonder if anyone would like to have this saga go a different route, different players on the stage of action and reaction,
well the answer my friends, as my friend bob would have said, is blowing in the wind, because as much as you wish it to go away or have happened some other way, there is no hope in hell that it could have, it was all written long before any of you even opened up your minds to the catastrophe of it all.
9 Mar 2009, 20:02 pm
#774 hjk:
its pretty interesting, think i know why the refs were blowing our okes on overseas tour of 3n, they seem to go off their feet when clearing out.
9 Mar 2009, 20:03 pm
#778 yliad:
i always that that song was about someone farting.
9 Mar 2009, 20:03 pm
#768 cab:
now who the f’ck is quoting the good book all of a sudden
9 Mar 2009, 20:04 pm
#775 AB: Ja, pasop jy ook…. jy kannie hol nie want jou hol is seer perd gery…. ek breek sommer jou heup en knoop jou kateterpype !
9 Mar 2009, 20:05 pm
#781 yliad:
i’ve converted. its from the book of revelations.
9 Mar 2009, 20:05 pm
#771 grant10: Yip, I just scroll down.
We could pull off a miracle tomorrow with the cricket. Kallis and AB batting well. Just have to hang in there facing the new ball in the morning.
9 Mar 2009, 20:06 pm
#780 cab:
well the **** bloweth where it listeth and one cannot know whither it cometh or whither it goeth, so it will blow wherever it will
time we got the hang of catching its drift.
9 Mar 2009, 20:06 pm
#743 hater: Well, if I had to choose between Lefortovo under Stalin or Robben Island under the Afrikaners, put me on Robben Island, and that’s what I was commenting on. You don’t know me, have no idea of who I am, what I’ve seen or what I’ve done, and your assumptions are pretty stupid, and your insults are, well, meaningless.
You said earlier that you’d like to have true equality (my paraphrase) but I think what you really want is to do everything that you said, to white people. I believe you’d want to rape, kill, maim and otherwise humiliate white people like you say in the bit I’m responding to. If you get to do all those things, will you be happy? Will you be a good person, will you have achieved your life’s work? I think your hate is eating you up from the inside and I’m really sorry for you.
9 Mar 2009, 20:06 pm
K9 en Supa het hulself skoon stil geskrik nou….
As mens “vriende” soos julle het, dan het mens nie vyande nodig nie…
Hehehehe
9 Mar 2009, 20:07 pm
#783 cab:
tinkle tinkle, now we getting the hang of things, round and round the merry go round we go, till we get to realize you gotta get off the spinning wheel if you want any kind of perspective at all.
9 Mar 2009, 20:08 pm
#777 grant10: Hoping just need to survive the new ball for about 10 to 15 overs tomorrow morning. Bowlers looking very tired. The heat and humidity there is dreadful. If we survive those overs and they will get so tired. Maybe just maybe we can pull off a draw tomorrow.
9 Mar 2009, 20:08 pm
#787 grootblousmile:
Naand GBS!!!!
Uhm…jammer ek het so bietjie verdwyn…uhm..moes net gou…iewers…heen gaan.
Hoop dit gaan goed met u?
9 Mar 2009, 20:10 pm
#784 Puma: will need some real miracle effort but johnson looked tired and siddle definitley a bit injured…also 3 down without smith…perhaps he will need to come in to hold up an end if neccessary…heres hoping for a miracle…stranger things have happened!
9 Mar 2009, 20:10 pm
#789 Puma:
Ek raak elke keer opgewonde as daar n partnership ontwikkel, net om weer teleurgestel te word.
Sal verbaas wees as ons dit maak more, selfs n draw. MAar n wen sal grens aan n wonderwerk. Dit sal die hoogste laaste innigns score met meer as n 100 oorskry.
9 Mar 2009, 20:10 pm
#788 yliad:
alright better catch the train, might have been some banter to end the solemn topic with, but alas time wait for no man, at the end there can be only one – was that the good book or highlander?
9 Mar 2009, 20:11 pm
#790 Supa Die Bloubul: Mmmm die virus werk nou mooi op Supalina se PC…. jou fokkkerrrrr !
9 Mar 2009, 20:13 pm
#794 grootblousmile:
Jy kan nie rekenaarsiektes versprei nie! Veral nie vanaf Brakpan nie! Supalina is onskuldig!!
9 Mar 2009, 20:14 pm
#791 grant10: Yes bowlers looking very tired. If one of these go out then we only have JP the others are not batting well. Hoping for a draw.
#792 Supa Die Bloubul: Hope we can bat with these two until that new ball is old. Only need about 10 to 15 overs. They must stay focused. Cant see us winning. A draw would be awesome.
9 Mar 2009, 20:14 pm
Lions on sat…another tough one…especially with lions coming in fresh…hope we dont play like in the 1 st 40 min on sat…
9 Mar 2009, 20:16 pm
#795 Supa Die Bloubul: Supalina issie onskuldig nie…. sy het met JOU getrou ! Mmmmm maar dit is seker genoeg straf vir haar opsigself…
9 Mar 2009, 20:16 pm
#796 Puma:
Ja, gaan taai wees. MAar as KAllis en AB net vandag se prestasie kan herhaal kan ons naby kom…aai daar kry ek al weer my hopes op!
9 Mar 2009, 20:17 pm
#796 Puma: any news on alistair hargreaves injury….he really has looked good when coming on for the sharks…one for the future!
9 Mar 2009, 20:17 pm
Pathetic article! Nothing more to say!
Keo, nothing fictional about the Bible or the heroes within
9 Mar 2009, 20:18 pm
#779 cab: Yeah, I was under the impression that straight legs meant “on his feet” but the whole Head down, bum up thing contradicts that. Interesting. Explains a few things.
9 Mar 2009, 20:19 pm
#798 grootblousmile:
hahaha…ek breek sommer jou bril.
9 Mar 2009, 20:19 pm
#786 hjk: You mocked the pain of a nation. You mocked the dead people who died, in places we do not know. You made pain, you cannot comprehend, a joke.
You think apartheid was no big deal. You think its funny that people were tortured. Even now, you say piece of cake, what are we moaning about.
Do you even comprehend how insulting it is. I have no hatred for white people and will never wish the evil that was done in this country on them. I was raised to see people as human beings. All people.
You were aparently raised to see me as nothing but disposable and an experiement to do cruelty upon.
Did you approve of the cruelty I wonder.
You mock what happened in SA. You say I do not kow you. You do not know me either.
The sick part is you do not even have the compassion and respect to appreciate how many people were broken by the evil of the past.
You are a monster as far as I can see. Someone civilized society ought to avoid. Sick, demented, without a soul.
I have nothing further to say to you.
9 Mar 2009, 20:20 pm
#803 Supa Die Bloubul: Dis OK, ek kan sonder donkerbrille klaarkom…. hehehe
9 Mar 2009, 20:21 pm
I honestly think keo is doing a great service to this society we have over here, he is giving free reign for every SA citizen and associated individual that needs some healing out of the glorious illustrious past this country has experienced to shed some of that inherent angst and aggression, not sure if it will ever go away, but at least it gets a chance to come out from under the tightly shut lids of the preconceived seething Pandora’s boxes.
It could perhaps almost go some way to rid the pent up psyche of many an angered soul of some inherent poison, seeing there are such mountainous reservoirs of the stuff it could be a long painful process, but such is the reaction to causation of eyes for eyes and teeth for teeth borne from out of the atrocities of prejudice and aggression that it may still take some time, but a healing could even eventually be on the way,
who would not welcome such an occurrence?
9 Mar 2009, 20:22 pm
#799 Supa Die Bloubul: Ek het my hopes op. Hoping Supa. A draw is fine it would be brilliant to come from that to draw.
If only they bowled them out sooner. Kallis and AB looking good at close to day. Just that new ball in the morning will be different to face that. Have to survive facing about 10 or 15 overs. They need to focuse.
9 Mar 2009, 20:22 pm
#804 hater: You insult me without even knowing a single thing about me. You project a whole lot of stuff on me and you have no clue. Say nothing, it’s OK. I hope your hate doesn’t consume you before it’s too late.
9 Mar 2009, 20:23 pm
#788 yliad:
ahh more verbal masturbation from the master..
9 Mar 2009, 20:24 pm
Cheers all.
Good luck to our cricket team tomorrow. One can only hope.
9 Mar 2009, 20:24 pm
#808 hjk: I hope you don;t murder someone tonight.
9 Mar 2009, 20:27 pm
#709 cab:
You say you werent much interested in SA military, yet you have so much to say about it. Thats stupid of you dont you think.
I think it it is.
And a visit to the apartheid museum will only ever tell one side of the story, whether you like it or not.
9 Mar 2009, 20:27 pm
#804 hater: Oh, so you #811 hater: Uh, YOU are the Hater, Hater. My money would be on you rather than me.
9 Mar 2009, 20:29 pm
#806 yliad: Great service?? By mocking his *Watsons* beliefs. I can not see any honesty in this article and only hidden agendas
If/when Luke reads this he will be insulted
9 Mar 2009, 20:30 pm
#804 hater: May i say from the bottom of my heart how deeply i felt your pain and share your abhorrence of what transpired in the past hater…this post of yours came from deep within your soul and i am truly moved….I am pleased you realise that not all so called ‘white’ people are as heartless as depicted by some bloggers…
9 Mar 2009, 20:32 pm
#810 Puma: cheers puma…holding thumbs
9 Mar 2009, 20:33 pm
#804 hater:
easy easy sister I hear your anguish, but as keo is using biblical references maybe one should even be willing to turn some other cheek and do as the good shepherd would have done and offered the consideration that ‘forgive them, for they know not what they do’.
I mean your hero was able to do that much, I know perhaps I would not have been able to be that magnanimous, but in the final analysis, every soul born into this flesh does not come about out of accidental consequences, every anguish and reward has a beginning and hopefully an end.
Eyes for eyes and teeth for teeth might have been the way of justice, somebody decided to end the recurrence and proclaim an end to the *** for tat to and fro actvity, and stop it in its tracks, this takes some doing, that I know, but ultimately it is the only way forward and out of the morass of continual coming and going, for ever and ever and again.
We simply just have to stop the rot, if at all this gets a chance, John Lennon gave it a go, and they shot him for his proposal, the good shepherd, well you all know who ditched the hope for sanity and called on the wrath of justice to do its dastardly deed, which way you want it to go this time around?
9 Mar 2009, 20:33 pm
#743 hater:
wow wee….you went from knit picking murderers to knit picking my posts.
At no stage did I say that the whites did the blacks a big favor during apartheid.
Simply stated(with my own creative writers licenceof course) that Communism and the Soviets was a far greater danger and crueller evil than apartheid ever was to world peace.
and that’s not an opinion…that’s historical fact.
But like I said earlier, you and your sort just keep looking and finding reasons to hold on to the past.
While nobody actually really cares anymore.
You, and I and everyone else who cares for Sa should be more concerned withregards to pending situations.
Again, it won’t be racism that destroys SA but crooked politicians.
How did Hitler come to power or Mugabe?
Baby steps.By changing law and consitution bit by bit to suit their needs until they where in positions to do whatever they want without sanction.
9 Mar 2009, 20:33 pm
#811 hater: You say that “I was raised to see people as human beings. All people.” Why do you wish the following on me then:
“If you think, it was fun, living in your racist apartheid “paradise” why don;t we arrange for you to be locked up in Robben Island for 27 years, and why don;t we try and electricute your testicals and rape your wifes and mothers and sisters, since it was all fun for us black people to be tortured and a “holiday resort” to be at Robben Island how about us locking you two up for the next 30 years! {Piece of cake right, you pieces of ****. And when you come out. Hopefully alive, I hope you are full of forgiveness and kindness. I hope you are capable of preaching peace. I hope the both of you can even dream of being capable of that.
Now F%ck off you inhumane pieces of ****.”
Why is YOUR nickname Hater? If you’re such a kind soul who sees people as human beings, why Hater? You definitely don’t see me as a human being, even though I wrote nothing of what you accuse me of. That’s certainly against your upbringing? How do you explain your own hate-filled writings, the things you call people, the evil you wish on them, and then you assume to play the saint here? I pity you, but seriously, get some help. Your hate will drive you postal one day. It will mean you will make the news over the world if you do, though…
9 Mar 2009, 20:33 pm
#804 hater: And you are melodramatic I for one would rather hear it from someone who actually lived through it. Not you!
9 Mar 2009, 20:35 pm
#809 gunther:
yeah its just for the likes of you, so that you can get your head out from under the rock its been hiding under for so long
9 Mar 2009, 20:35 pm
#743 hater:
And there are your true colours.
9 Mar 2009, 20:35 pm
#806 yliad: Great words
9 Mar 2009, 20:41 pm
The thread and the blog is not nice today….
Hate…… counter hate….. counter-counter hate….
I do not need this gemors in my life…
Cheers….
No more from me tonight here…. gone…
9 Mar 2009, 20:43 pm
#824 grootblousmile: cheers gbs….cant say i blame you…
9 Mar 2009, 20:47 pm
#814 JL1:
JL everyone comes at life from a different perspective, some from a religious one, others from a moral one, maybe some from a scientific analytical one. No one necessarily has all the truth or all the answers
Religion will give us certain clues, and science will give us others. Ultimately it remains in our own grasp or search to try and discover the reality from within all the clues and guesswork.
No-one should really have to take anything at face value or hearsay, we should all be able and committed enough to try test out the truth for ourselves from whichever approach or standpoint we challenge the question.
So there is no real holy grail here, just human beings all seeking some kind of conclusion or reason for their existence and their calling.
Hopefully out of all the huff and puff reactionary activity some clear sighted reason and clear light of day will emerge, I reckon if at all we are sincere about our concern for who we are, then we should perhaps be willing to at least make that much of an effort for the understanding of the whole entire shenanigan.
9 Mar 2009, 20:50 pm
#826 yliad: Nice one Skop.
9 Mar 2009, 20:50 pm
i see the reds have lost a prop and a lock to injurt this weekend….things really looking rosy for the sharks…
9 Mar 2009, 20:50 pm
Hola bloggers
9 Mar 2009, 20:51 pm
albert vd berg and waylon murray back as well…
9 Mar 2009, 20:53 pm
Aah well waddaya know
looks like I managed to finally put a real spanner in the works,
everybody baled
congratulations, all the teeth have stopped gnashing and the eyes aren’t getting gouged no more, whichever church or political platform we are prepared to live or die for
could it even be that somewhere down the line the puppets on the string that think they dance to their own tune realize its not them dancing at all, just someone behind the curtain pulling them strings and giving the impression of the jig.
9 Mar 2009, 20:55 pm
#827 blhoo:
thanks RJ, much obliged, glad you liked it.
9 Mar 2009, 20:58 pm
emotionally draining reading this blog
9 Mar 2009, 20:58 pm
#831 yliad: No-one’s bailing.
Bought this time laptop batteries start flashing red. Mine also – goodbye. 826 really good Skop,
9 Mar 2009, 20:59 pm
Any1 have an idea what the main price for the s14 competition is that’s being run on keo.
9 Mar 2009, 21:00 pm
While everybody is so ethically concious today, let me ask a overall question:
Why is it morally wrong to make laws telling people with a different skincolor to live only in certain places (apartheid old SA), but it is morally correct to make laws telling people they cannot live because they are not wanted by their parents (abortion new SA) ?
I really cannot see why the one regime has any higher moral grounds than the other, and if you say the one has more higher moral ground, by what authority or standard do you base your viewpoint ?
Thank you for all your answers
9 Mar 2009, 21:04 pm
looks like we more divided than ever….2 steps forward 3 steps back….and yet on the fields our rainbow teams seem to play like a band of brothers…young Frans Steyn and Adi…jean and Bobo…and here on the blog the exploits undermined by strange people with weird agendas…unfulfilled self righteous people …both on the far left and far right…trying to influence each other….all the time simply pushing each other further and further apart…while…j smit packs down with his brother beast…and januarie passes to his bra peter grant…..arent we the bunch of cyberspace plonkers …
9 Mar 2009, 21:04 pm
#826 yliad: His reference to his religion has sweet bugger all to do with this article. Keo brought it in to mock him, I say. Keo has no evidence to prove any of his statements when it comes to what he wrote about Luke’s religion (fact or fiction)
I still maintain that Luke will really feel offended to read Keo’s rubbish which could be seen as patronising or belittling Lukes beliefs.
Why? and what for? Surely this site ,the journos and articles are about rugby
9 Mar 2009, 21:04 pm
#836 alf:
two different issues and principles, don’t try confuse them, two wrongs don’t make any rights, deal with one at a time and then its no use trying to justify one wrong with the actions of another.
9 Mar 2009, 21:05 pm
#835 kwaggies: R1-99 and get discount for cash
9 Mar 2009, 21:06 pm
#834 blhoo:
so long
9 Mar 2009, 21:10 pm
#837 grant10: Hi, howzit Gorgeous?
Sometimes I don’t recognise this place!!
9 Mar 2009, 21:11 pm
#833 grant10: If it is as umpleasant as Saturday and Sunday shall I bother?
9 Mar 2009, 21:13 pm
#837 grant10:
We tend to underestimate the degree of hurt and anguish the policies of injustice has bred and created, its not something one can just wish away with a magic wand or a successful WC campaign. Or wearing a No.6 jersey on your back, these things usually take generations to get washed out the blood streams and the systems of anxiety.
So some hang on tight to their ideology, and others look for recompense from immense injustice and equal retribution.
I reckon there is still enough good will around, in spite of the extreme diversity and stand offs, fundamentally people in this country are still bigger than the hatred and the fallacy of separateness, and ultimately they will triumph over the shadows of our history.
It cannot simply take a couple decades to get over it, maybe even more than a couple generations, but I still reckon ultimately the underlying true nature of who and what we are will triumph over who we sometimes represent.
9 Mar 2009, 21:17 pm
#842 carol: hi princess..xx i tell you i read through after a hard days work and felt physically drained!! So went for a cool dip…i have a house full of turks and swedes and all these strange languages and cultures and everybody having sucj=h a great time…and then see a blog of saffas spewing hatred and crowing about military victories and kill ratios , etc…no Carol…seriously…i am not cut out for this…very disturbing…upsetting me badly…
9 Mar 2009, 21:17 pm
Good evening…It seems like I have converted Keo…the road to damascus..maybe not so. Keo understands that he needs to be a journalist at Businessday and this article was an attempt to get credibility with editor who has put him on probation…but he still found the need to show his true colours. This article was still anti-Luke..it was still about talking down his obvioulsy selection to the natinal squad…A wolf in sheep skin…A trojan…I will still not have dinner with this snake
9 Mar 2009, 21:18 pm
#843 carol: dont …makes me ashamed to call myself a saffa
9 Mar 2009, 21:18 pm
#839 yliad: Dit is presies die punt wat ek probeer maak. Of dit nou apartheid SA (voor 1994) of aborsie SA (na 1994) is, albei het sy ernstige morele probleme.
Hier is ‘n hele paar bloggers (met keo en puke as die ringleiers) wat egter dink die nuwe SA staan op beter morele grond, bloot omdat dit teen ‘apartheid’ is, maar daar is baie ander huidige morele, politieke, ekonomiese en godsdienstige probleme in ons land wat ‘apartheid’ na ‘n piekniek laat lyk.
Ek verdedig nie die een regime teenoor die ander nie, maar wil bloot wys dat elke regime het sy probleme. Niemand moet dink hul is hoogheilig bloot omdat hul teen apartheid is, en daarom die reg het om almal sleg te sê wat nie presies soos hul dink nie.
En nou is dit maklik om ‘n dooie perd te skop, maar die lewendige wilde perd te vermy …
Maklik om uit te vaar teenoor die verlede, en verby die huidige krisisse en probleme te kyk …
9 Mar 2009, 21:20 pm
#844 yliad: from your lips skop…pray it is sooner rather than later…
9 Mar 2009, 21:21 pm
#838 JL1:
You probably have a point about it
Its a bit of tongue in cheek journalism and also perhaps a little jibe at a persons belief,
but it could also be construed that perhaps a little too much attention is placed on biblical acquaintances when it comes to individuals actions in society or sport. Like that T-shirt that Jaco Vd Westhuizen wore when the Bulls won the S14 and climbed up the pole advertising it, such beliefs should I believe be private affairs and not proselytized all over the place,
maybe keo is having a silent little dig at that.
The reality though is that from what I gave read that Luke is quite a committed principled Christian, but then again so is Bakkies, depending which side of the ideological curtain we are sitting, which Biblical reference would put them both in the same fold, I wonder?
9 Mar 2009, 21:22 pm
#848 alf: point well delivered…
9 Mar 2009, 21:22 pm
#845 grant10: Enjoy your guests, you won’t be getting much enjoyment here tonight. Perhaps we should go to a different thread to communicate!
9 Mar 2009, 21:25 pm
#852 carol: i have to move along …glad i caught you princess….owe you a mail…been a bit crazy…will get to it soon…feel a bit deflated after the last couple of days poison overload…you have a good evening …i am outta here! ***
9 Mar 2009, 21:26 pm
Next time, no more Mr. Nice guy. We were nice last Saturday and we only get criticism.
9 Mar 2009, 21:26 pm
#853 grant10: I don’t enjoy this Night Owl poison……
I’m outta here too…..catch you soon ***
9 Mar 2009, 21:28 pm
#849 grant10:
Well according the poll, we still got one huge mountain of a way to go before that comes around.
What do you think of Loftus Versfeld’s booing of Luke Watson?
* Spot on
230 or 45% of all votes
* I don’t like Luke, but it was unnecessary
160 or 31% of all votes
* It was a disgrace
118 or 23% of all votes
Total Votes: 508
9 Mar 2009, 21:29 pm
#812 Stawm:
maybe stawm, i’m not the sharpest, i just give my opinion, like that oft-used funny on keo, like arseholes everyone has one.
i am of the opinion war is stupid, money can be better spent on bibles. very rarely is war justified, no war that the SADF fought was a just one, but then again they were more skirmishes and a chance for okes to strut around a bit and try and show they were men and all.
9 Mar 2009, 21:29 pm
Shoo wee. When I went to work this mornin’ Hater was a hatin’ and when I get back from work Hater is still a hatin’.
Come comrade sister, let all the anger go… let’s take a deap breath and breathe out all the evil hate from inside you.
9 Mar 2009, 21:35 pm
why don’t the happier night owls simply move to a non-political thread?
serious suggestion.
9 Mar 2009, 21:36 pm
So bietjie krieket:
Kallis en AB moet die eerste 15 overs oorleef, en 58 lopies op die telbord byvoeg.
Dan is daar 75 boulbeurte oor en nog 250 lopies om te kry teen 3.3 lopies per boulbeurt.
So maklik soos dit …
Wat nodig is, is dat een van hierdie twee kolwers regdeur die beurt sal moet kolf en ‘n 200 moet kry. Hopelik doen Kallis dit, want hy kon dit as ons beste kolwer nog nooit regkry nie (AB is nog jonk ek sal sy beurt nog kry).
Ek voorspel dat Kallis die wenlopies gaan slaan van die voorlaaste boulbeurt !
9 Mar 2009, 21:38 pm
I am a bit tired…tough day…I need some energy..Skoppie will carry the flame..Good night all
9 Mar 2009, 21:38 pm
#859 cab:
I thought I may have chased you away
seeing the watermelon clamburger is looking in perhaps we have another WW111 on the horizon and then the happy clappy night owls will certainly be needing another thread to go chit chat and natter in.
9 Mar 2009, 21:40 pm
Looks like everybody is all gnashed out, no more fight left in the worn out ideology anxiousness
perhaps we just have a nice chit chat peaceful night of it after all.
9 Mar 2009, 21:41 pm
#817 yliad: Perhaps you guys should all go read the posts.
these guys said that what happened on Robben island and people being imprisoned there was like being at a resort. Then they said the difference being that after 27 years of torture, the people, specifically mandela, is still alive, so it was not so bad.
The just of it, from how I read it, was that to St Petersbergbok and HJK, believed that apartheid and its atrocities were not so bad at all, and St Petersbergbok even had the audacity to say that without Apartheid, SA would not be the country it is today. He said Apartheid ensured infrastructure because of the cheap labour available.
My retaliation was to say, if what was done, all the cruelties, to the two of them. One who said he is 25 years old. would he like it, if whether they would be able to preach forgiveness when they were set free as old men.
See all of you say I must let it go. None of you are talking about the fact that they made a joke out of something in our history that we as South African’s still battle to overcome today, a big fat joke.
How do I move on, and heal, when 25 year olds can call the oppression of the past, NOT SO SERIOUS, because, and I quote ” at least you still alive…”.
That to me, is sick and perverse.
9 Mar 2009, 21:42 pm
#860 alf:
alf wat dink jy van die bulle, naalbytende einde op saterdag?
#862 yliad:
not likely, got to catch train. lol, who is the watermelon i thought he did quite impersonation of you?
ja i feel a bit bad for the night owls and all.
where is all this goodwill when young luke watson drafs op die veld.
waddefok is op met daai perd?
9 Mar 2009, 21:45 pm
Lydia – do you reckon the Stormers have any chance at all against the Lions this weekend?
9 Mar 2009, 21:47 pm
#864 hater:
in fairness, HjK and StP are invariably polite in voicing their opinions.
9 Mar 2009, 21:47 pm
What happened to this being a rugby blog?!
9 Mar 2009, 21:49 pm
This thread was filled with sick bile. One always has hope that the younger generations of this country will get it right, its disheartening to read that they are probably more evil than the people in the past.
It’s painful to know that what has passed in this country has not taught some people anything. From both sides of the fence.
I’m off to bed. I cannot believe you guys are preaching to me, in light of what was said. Just a sign of the times I suppose.
9 Mar 2009, 21:50 pm
#868 I wanna be coach:
if you look on the home page, there are about 10 threads on rugby, yet this is the one ppl choose to comment on.
800-odd comments on ppl bitching about politics in rugby on a politial thread.
LOL
9 Mar 2009, 21:50 pm
Ag bliksem en dit gaan nog steeds aan. Ons huil nou al vir die gevalle helde van die ”struggle” Gaan dit nooit einde kry nie.
Ag shame, I am so sorry for all the pain and heartache caused with the pasboek, aandklok reel, Nasionale Diensplig, Riot Control, Hetor whatshisface, Doc Craven, Bliksem, Rugby, sonskyn en braaivleis. Please, please forgive us.
There, I have apologised. Hopefully it will be a thing of the past now. Let’s get on with life.
9 Mar 2009, 21:51 pm
“Watson, like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible”
What do you mean by fictional Keo? Who exactly are you referring to? Get your facts right before you psoting your ****.
9 Mar 2009, 21:53 pm
ok lets get on with life, op watter stadium kry Luke die volgende boo boo?
9 Mar 2009, 21:53 pm
#865 cab:
the watermelon man is my old doos adversary awol exhile east cape big bok whatever who thinks Jake the snake is next to god, and Luke the puke is Judas Iscariot himself
so we check the plot of the play from very different angles and he reckons his version is kosher and mine is just a f’ckadilly foo foo blinkered lefty smoked out drug crazed doos version.
well the beauty of reality is it usually comes around sometime or other and smacks you in the face, his poorly aligned prejudices will take awhile still to get around that smokescreen, and then maybe they might never do at all.
9 Mar 2009, 21:54 pm
#865 cab: Ja, die Stormers kon nog gewen het daar op die einde … en dan sou die Bulle se nuwe senter, Matfield, homself hard op die gat geskop het, vir daardie sekere drie wat hy weggegooi het.
Nie ‘n mooi wedstryd nie, maar die Bulle het die nodige 4 punte gevat … look at the scorebord !
9 Mar 2009, 21:55 pm
“Watson is a clever player, whose athleticism is matched by an ability to read the game and by good skills. He may physically struggle in contact but his mind never battles to go forward.”
More **** by Keo, hey listen up Watson is just as physical if not more physical than Spies – fact!
9 Mar 2009, 21:55 pm
#874 cab:
Saterdag. Ek dink die Gautengers haat hom soveel soos die Noord Gautengers. Deesdae is daar mos meer van hulle as bergbokke in die Kaap
9 Mar 2009, 21:56 pm
#867 cab: Polite pshycopaths.(sp) New concept.
9 Mar 2009, 21:58 pm
I wish that players would not make religion cheap by thanking the Lord every time they scored a try or achieved something.
As far as I know the Lord never participated in any sport
during his time here on earth and I am pretty sure he does not
know offside from onside.It is a well known fact that every
Springbok makes a pledge to honour the jersey and not to
downgrade it by word or deed.So why did Watson not refuse
to play for the Boks if he finds the Springbok jersey and its
history so repulsive that he wants to vomit on it?
9 Mar 2009, 21:59 pm
#874 yliad:
i see, well i think jake was a good coach, but as for white and watson’s characters, probably neither deserve the big send-off. am just thrilled to see all the happiness around, by why are these happy folk still doing the boo boo?
#875 alf:
lol, a bulls fan with a sense of humour.
ja nee die buls sal hard wees om te klop hierde jaar, kan dalk twee bekers wees, maar laat ons sien hoe hulle toer.
9 Mar 2009, 22:02 pm
#877 Xkreni-WP:
ja dink jy ook die gautengers gaan oor die bulle hardloop?
en wat die hel gaan aan met joost, ek kyk op rapport, maar sien net onderbrook en gate (tannie sin), is dit hom of hoe??
9 Mar 2009, 22:02 pm
“Watson, like many of his fictional heroes in the Bible”
Keo, please keep your religious views to yourself and show respect at the views and beliefs of others. We have enough racist rubbish on this site and we don’t need to resort to religious arguments.
If you would dare to spend more time with God you might just find that those Bible heroes weren’t fictional at all!
9 Mar 2009, 22:03 pm
“it was Watson who seemed to intimidate the near 50 000 voices by simply accepting their challenge of continued booing”
again Keo there were thousands of WPian’s in the crowd and many of them were directing their Boooo’s towards the Bully boys and their booooing fans – get it.
9 Mar 2009, 22:04 pm
Some people are polite and respectful when they post. Others look incite hatred and racial prejudices and to antagonise by expressing a desire for SA teams to lose or for Aussie bowlers to injure SA players.
I do not feel a jot of sympathy when it comes back to bite the latter category in the arse and they start crying.
9 Mar 2009, 22:04 pm
Well I am glad I come in late on this one.
Spooner – Lions can beat Stompies. All depends on #10.
9 Mar 2009, 22:05 pm
#884 spooner: Seems to flow both ways Woody.
9 Mar 2009, 22:09 pm
#881 cab:
Hi,
U still here. I must say your stamina is impressive – quite a few nice posts as well!
#885 SodaJoe:
Hey Joe,
I noticed you have opened a small gap on me at Superbru at the back of the field. It is the flippin Sharks that keep on dropping me by not losing
9 Mar 2009, 22:09 pm
I will say this. Rocket, Ruan, Steyn,Adi, JPP, Terblanche really look the business.
9 Mar 2009, 22:09 pm
#879 Brentie1: We still don’t know what Luke really said and him vomit story was also taken way out of context. Luke is being crucified because of the stand that his family took in the apartheid era. Even though I support the stand they took, they should also be careful of becoming self-righteous.
9 Mar 2009, 22:10 pm
#884 spooner: It fuels the fire my friend. It just fuels the fire. And you have never felt sorry for me, so safe your false sentiment. You should know that I only get angry, I never cry.
Good Luck to the Aussies tomorrow. I love them with renewed passion after today’s read of what South Africa’s sports fans had to say.
9 Mar 2009, 22:10 pm
#887 Robzim: I gave up on the Cheaters and started to worm my way up the field to mid-table.
Stompies Vs Leeus – good game coming up. Could go either way.
9 Mar 2009, 22:11 pm
no-one deserves this kind of victimisation.
this guy has shown tremendous courage and seems to perform better the higher the stakes.
9 Mar 2009, 22:11 pm
#869 hater: no need to be exasperated, that is exactly what they wanted to achieve, some of these ***-wipes wouldn’t have the conviction to spew the bile the type on this blog face to face…if you get ”disheartened” you play right into their hands, they’re nothing but a dying breed…
keo wrote a sensationalist article, full of conjencture – fictional heroes worshiped by luke, faith of the loftus crowd – to rile up south africans on both side of the fence, i bet mninawa ntloko or peter bruce had a chuckle with him when he submitted it to them…and lo & behold we got new wanna-be bigot wagging their tails clamouring for notoriety…come on hater, see them for what they really are. This country will have a future, whether bleak or bright, with or without them…
You must have realised the self appointed gatekeepers keep quiet when their ”decent” site is desecrated (sp) by bigoted individuals…this is keo.co.za
9 Mar 2009, 22:14 pm
#892 cab: I’ll say this for the man, and he is a man, although still young. He’s courageous.
A very good rugby player, good enough to be a Springbok, maybe not an all time great, or even right now the best in a crowded pool of SA loosie talent. But he will not disgrace the jersey.
At 24 I do believe I was a bigger doos than Luke Watson.
We need to get over ourselves.
9 Mar 2009, 22:14 pm
#890 hater: If you love Aussie cricket so much then maybe you should find an aussie cricket thread to spend all your time on. Maybe you will find Aussies more welcoming of your aggro character.
Peace.
9 Mar 2009, 22:15 pm
#887 Robzim:
hello Rob, see skoppie mentioned your namesake in that song he sings about farting. some of the stuff is starting to grow on me actually, i dunno about some of the superlatives you okes use but there might be something there, the ear pain is at least subsiding.
9 Mar 2009, 22:15 pm
One thing is for certain, Keo blows with the wind. Everything has an agenda when he writes.
9 Mar 2009, 22:16 pm
#893 Transformation: It’s will take a miracle to break my spirit. You know that. I’m already refueling my arsenal.
9 Mar 2009, 22:16 pm
#891 SodaJoe:
Stormers cannot afford to lose – pressure will be really on them and Rassie to perform. The crowd, press etc are getting impatient and one can sense that it beginning to work on Rassie. Maybe the upcoming overseas tour will be good for them in order to get away from the pressure.
9 Mar 2009, 22:17 pm
It is looking a bit more “normal” here now!! Heheheh
9 Mar 2009, 22:19 pm
#899 Robzim: I think Rassie has one more season to perform.
I think Naka should go.
Loffie – if he can’t beat the Stompies, Reds, Force – he should also go.
This is SA – most cannibalistic fans in the world. Eat every coach alive, bar Kitch and Craven. Rest were all melktert.
9 Mar 2009, 22:19 pm
#894 SodaJoe:
yes, my personal view is that Schalk Burger is a better player, alot better, but the other okes are right, they are different players i suppose and if you want a clever link loosie, you wont do better than watson.
its all this boo boo stuff that i dont get, since everyone is so happy and well-adjusted, why do all want to boo boo or poo poo?
9 Mar 2009, 22:20 pm
#900 carol: hello Stepford wife!
9 Mar 2009, 22:22 pm
#896 cab:
It also took me a while when I was first introduced to his work. I used to like the Monkees, Cliff Richard and the Archies in those early days!
9 Mar 2009, 22:22 pm
Ahhh dinner’s ready. Later all.
9 Mar 2009, 22:22 pm
#903 spooner: Hi Spooner, are you free to discuss “goldfish or scatter cushions” with me. I think those are supposed to be two of my favourite topics!! As you know I thrive on “drivel”!!
9 Mar 2009, 22:23 pm
#904 Robzim:
lol, cliff richard.
9 Mar 2009, 22:24 pm
#896 cab: Listen from these albums in this order. You will change your mind.
Oh Mercy 1989
Under the Red Sky 1990
Good as I Been to You 1992
World Gone Wrong 1993
Time Out of Mind 1997
“Love and Theft” 2001
Modern Times 2006
In Season 2009
9 Mar 2009, 22:24 pm
#904 Robzim: I do admire a man that will admit to listening to Cliff Richard!! Hiya Rob, how are you doing?
9 Mar 2009, 22:24 pm
#904 Robzim: Sugar Sugar is still one of my favorite songs ever.
9 Mar 2009, 22:25 pm
#907 cab: Cracked me up too!!
9 Mar 2009, 22:26 pm
#910 SodaJoe: wotcha me old duck….you did some good peacemaking yesterday.
Fancy joining United Nations peacekeeping mission?
9 Mar 2009, 22:27 pm
#905 spooner: Missed him….
9 Mar 2009, 22:27 pm
#906 carol:
I saw a person on another site told Sarah to stick to what she knows namely nail polish and the “size of her man’s hands” (of all things). Quite a lot of male chauvinistics in this part of the world.
9 Mar 2009, 22:28 pm
#902 cab: Not this season so far.
Form Loose Trio:
6. Stegman
7. Vermulen
8. Spies
Bench: Kankowski, Watson.
9 Mar 2009, 22:28 pm
#908 SodaJoe:
yessus, what is it with you okes and bob dylan? everyone in SA is an expert on the oke. didn’t know he was so popular back home, think i downloaded all the almbums apart from those ones.
9 Mar 2009, 22:29 pm
Hi guys..just want to add that I am a fan of Watson’s play, not a racist and love rugby. Please deal with me on those terms and we will always get along. If you dont like Luke – I dont blame you, but as a player I really like him.
9 Mar 2009, 22:30 pm
#879 Brentie1: luke was repulsed by the treatment he got from so-called senior boks, that their seniority under this emblem – that was supposedly washed with omo by mandela – can be used to ostracise and segregate…that’s what jake had engineered and it worked perfectly, now luke being his father’s son, rightly or wrongly listened to his pops view of ”you being here is a victory in itself, don’t leave, a lot of people sacrificed for you to be in this team”…if people choose to contexualise it differently that is their business and the media itself doesn’t help instead it perpetuates, ag who am i kidding the ”media” themselves are people too…oh well
9 Mar 2009, 22:30 pm
#909 carol:
Hello,
Yes Cliff use to be my favourite in the old days. Him, Hank and the Shadows – I thought they were so cool!
And your first favourites?
9 Mar 2009, 22:30 pm
#912 carol: Hello Duck. Welcome to SA. In cyberspace. No holds barred.
Can be pretty brutal.
And somewhat childish.
But hey, I’ve been in bars where it’s like that too.
9 Mar 2009, 22:31 pm
#918 cab: Don’t appreciate you using the Lord’s name in vain Cab. No offence, but some taken by me..
9 Mar 2009, 22:31 pm
#911 carol:
lol, few guys really know their music on here jinxie, robzim, skoppie and soda.
9 Mar 2009, 22:32 pm
#916 cab: Big mistake. Those are the better ones. I was never a fan of folky Dylan, did like some songs, but this is teh real deal and the guy has a gift.
But I like lots of other music as you know. But Under The Red Sky, Modern Times and Time out of Mind are 3 of my favorite records.
9 Mar 2009, 22:33 pm
#921 pommie:
fair enough, bladdy hell, one cant say anything anymore for fear of offending.
9 Mar 2009, 22:33 pm
#917 pommie: Good one mate.
9 Mar 2009, 22:33 pm
#869 hater:
No intention to preach
but action becomes reaction, and then it just keeps on exacerbating itself all over again, acting and reacting till the fuel keeps flaming the fire forever and a day.
Either we yearn for the flames of the passionate war and won’t put it down till one or the other gets burned and obliterated, but that is never the end of the cycle, it continues, unabated, sowing, reaping, burning, growing
Who is it we hate so much, I too am victim of the passions of love and hate
Your idealism is actually admirable, and some of the foo foo funky goody two shoes upright moralists around here wouldn’t know the beginnings of love, and so they shun like the half baked halfwit half humans that they are.
Keep on loving even if it means you got to keep on hating to turn the coin around, they just opposite sides of each other, love and hate, and when hate turns to love, there is no amount of hatred that would ever derail it from its quest for fulfillment.
Sorry about the sermon once again.
9 Mar 2009, 22:34 pm
Hey, I see we’re praising Sir Bob again. Threads that reach 1000 posts always mention the best 5 or 10 Dylan albums. Why is that?
9 Mar 2009, 22:35 pm
#924 cab: Like a jar of scorpions.
What do you think about Saturday – I know you told me but I forgot.
9 Mar 2009, 22:36 pm
#915 SodaJoe:
very good, all, but Burger will always be first name down if fit.
its just we all so used to him, but he’s all over the park.
9 Mar 2009, 22:36 pm
#927 katman: AAH BOET! Got a week brak from nappies and burping.
Howzit.
Bud, if we can’t beat the Stompies on saturday Loffie must go.
9 Mar 2009, 22:36 pm
wee break that is.
9 Mar 2009, 22:37 pm
For me it’s Desire.
“Hot chili peppers in the blistering sun…”
9 Mar 2009, 22:38 pm
#927 katman:
lol, now that is a very good sight!
how are you Katman?
9 Mar 2009, 22:38 pm
#926 cab: cool cool – it’s just something I think we can all do without. Anyway – let’s hope Jacques and AB can last tomorrow – I reckom Kallis will be going for his maiden double test ton – its the only thing that eludes him!
9 Mar 2009, 22:39 pm
#929 cab: We have so many really good loosies. As the ou doos says – we need to get balance right.
Schalk at 7 – lethal still. Watson at 6. Spies at 8. Kanko off bench. That would be my Bok trio.
But hell – Vermulen, Steggman, Baywatch, Brussouw (still in form in kak team), alberts, …Desyel (injured),Juan (out of form in kak team)
9 Mar 2009, 22:40 pm
#932 katman: Sarah, Mozambique both killers.
9 Mar 2009, 22:40 pm
#930 SodaJoe: Hey SodaJoe, where you goin’ with that gun in your hand?
Ben’s fast asleep. Bliss for both of us.
True, my patience with Eloff is wearing thin. I might just go to the game and tell him so. Problem is, I have the in-laws here for the weekend.
9 Mar 2009, 22:41 pm
#932 katman: And I haven’t even mentioned Blood On The Tracks. Cab – I will totally give up on you if you don’t like “If you see her say hello”. The bed next to Skops in Sterkies will be made up.
9 Mar 2009, 22:42 pm
#927 katman:
whatever activity or response is prevalent in society or in most mens minds, Sir Bob has covered it pretty amiably somewhere or other, he just has or had the knack of nailing a concept on its head, and so he was and is the spokesman for the current turn of the times,
yet they keep on a changing
time after time, they keep on a changing
9 Mar 2009, 22:42 pm
#934 pommie:
yeah apologies for that, uncalled for.
lets hope u right about cricket be bladdy amazing if so.
9 Mar 2009, 22:42 pm
#933 cab: I’m good thanks, cab. Need to hit the sack, but thought I’d check in for old-time’s sake.
9 Mar 2009, 22:42 pm
#933 cab:
You must try this one on Youtube:
“Bob Dylan and the Band – Forever young/Baby let me follow you down”
You must listen to the whole clip right till the end. It is a classic live performance that must do something for you.
9 Mar 2009, 22:42 pm
#937 katman: Send your Mom-In-Law, she’ll sort him out.
Bud, get the next one over with – then you might get to sleep till 7 am on a Saturday morning in 5 years time, make that 6.
9 Mar 2009, 22:43 pm
#941 katman: Don’t be so scarce. The Yak-Skiing squad is very thin these days.
Ciao boet.
9 Mar 2009, 22:44 pm
#935 SodaJoe:
yes but the ou doos thinks too much at times and u need the pack dominance, i’d agree with you and ou doos if matfield was not there, but he is, so you need burger or anotehr more physical openside, but that is my opinion.
9 Mar 2009, 22:44 pm
#936 SodaJoe: Now you’re talking. Not to mention Hurricane.
9 Mar 2009, 22:45 pm
#941 katman:
well its a pity u not around more, not the same without you.
9 Mar 2009, 22:47 pm
#919 Robzim: First single bought (that I will own up to) “American Pie” Don McClean or something like that!
9 Mar 2009, 22:47 pm
#945 cab: If the Ou Doos thought any harder his left eye would pop out of his right ear.
The only way to get pack dominance is a mean front row, with a dominant TH.
The loosies have a different role. But I do like a scary wrecking ball Schalk, but he can do that at 7.
9 Mar 2009, 22:48 pm
#939 yliad: I agree with you there. Poor vocalist, barely competent guitarist, but what a way with prose.
9 Mar 2009, 22:48 pm
#944 SodaJoe:
I assume you are going to pick the Lions for Saturday?
9 Mar 2009, 22:49 pm
#948 carol: Oh Mammy (Blue) & Crimson in Clover. My 2 first Seven Singles. David Bowie Pin-Ups my first LP.
No one outside of Holland has ever heard of Oh Mammy (Blue).
9 Mar 2009, 22:50 pm
#951 Robzim: Robbie I am. I assume your level head is going with the Stompies?
9 Mar 2009, 22:50 pm
good night guys and lekker slaap julle almal. I hope the Proteas pull it off tomorrow!!!
9 Mar 2009, 22:50 pm
#920 SodaJoe: They sure do let it all hang out here!! lol
9 Mar 2009, 22:50 pm
#947 cab: Been at a new job for 5 months now – very demanding and my days fly by. At night it’s an hour with the little man, then bath, bottle and bed after which I must feed the dogs and cats and start thinking about supper. The wife and I practically pass out on the couch at 9. And then he wakes us at 5 or earlier.
9 Mar 2009, 22:51 pm
#950 katman: It’s how it all comes together.
And you forget he always has an incredible backing band. Always, always, always.
9 Mar 2009, 22:51 pm
#954 pommie: Bye boet.
9 Mar 2009, 22:52 pm
#948 carol:
That was not a bad way too start.
I think the first two seven singles I ever bought was Daughter of Darkness by Tom Jones and Suzie Q by CreedenceCR.
I bought it at a second hand shop.
9 Mar 2009, 22:52 pm
#955 carol: I know. Best to go and seduce the WRS and let it alone.
9 Mar 2009, 22:53 pm
#922 cab: They have all given me some tips on different things to listen too…actually not had any tips from Jinxie yet? Still time!
Your listening tonight is?
9 Mar 2009, 22:53 pm
#959 Robzim: Now those are both classics.
9 Mar 2009, 22:53 pm
#956 katman: It does end, don’t panic.
9 Mar 2009, 22:53 pm
#949 SodaJoe:
lol, ou doos is a mine of information actually.
TH big problem, need to bring back one of veterans, CJ or BJ, for BL tour.
pack needs to be considered as a whole, you have to win collisions and contact points at breakdown, if one of tight 5 is a looser player, you have to compensate.
9 Mar 2009, 22:54 pm
#953 SodaJoe:
Sure,I will pick them.
Last week I picked for the first time against them and collected 1.5 points. Felt a bit sh#t about it I must say.
9 Mar 2009, 22:55 pm
#952 SodaJoe: I know Mammy Blue. Not proud of it, but I know it.
My first two singles were Dance with me by Alphaville and I Engineer by Animotion. What can I say – a product of the 80s
9 Mar 2009, 22:55 pm
#952 SodaJoe: You have lost WRS and that one!
However Bowie, another Pom!!
9 Mar 2009, 22:56 pm
#935 SodaJoe:
I’d have it like this
Dunno about 1. probably Smit because thats where PdV will put him
2. Bismark
3. Beast/Heinke
4. Bakkies
5. Matfield/Bekker
6. Watson/Brussouw
7. Burger
8. Spies/Vermeulen
thats already 4 reserves
9. FdP/Adams
10. Grant/Pienar
11. Nokwe (unless Haban shows some vast uptempo improvement soon)
12. JdV/Steyn
13. Jacobs/Fourie
14. JPP
15. Kirchner
thats one too many bench reserves so either Adams or Grant would have to sit out, probably Adams which means Pienaar covers 9 and 10.
9 Mar 2009, 22:56 pm
#959 Robzim: I won’t tell you what my first purchase at the age of 9 was!!
I was not a cool 9 year old!
9 Mar 2009, 22:57 pm
#964 cab: I agree. IMO we did the business in the Tr-Nations with CJ, Biz and Beast. No question.
I know that you are keep the proven, where I am more form and build for 2011, but right now Biz would get in to the bok team before John. And I would make him throw a ball in to a line-out until he cried.
And I would take Steyn over JdV (and I love Jean) but the Sharks backline are Magellin’ now big time.
9 Mar 2009, 22:58 pm
#965 Robzim: Now that’s the funniest thing on this whole thread. I hope you’re blushing.
9 Mar 2009, 23:00 pm
#954 pommie:
night mate
#956 katman:
ah, new job and little bugger, deadly combination. your wit is sorely missed. the legendary description of the bull breeding experiment went down in history.
#961 carol:
jinxie listed a few Blues okes i aint even heard of, so that his thing. listening to new order tonight, but that CCR suggestion sounded pretty good.
9 Mar 2009, 23:01 pm
#965 Robzim: Rob I have told you that you must pick with your head not your heart!!
9 Mar 2009, 23:03 pm
Okay, that’s me. Chat again some time. I’ll let one of you take the 1000 glory because that’s the kind of guy I am.
9 Mar 2009, 23:05 pm
#968 yliad:
This would be my team, on S14 & the desperate need for a scary form:
1. Heinke/Beast
2. Bismark/Smit
3. CJ
4. Bakkies
5. Matfield/Bekker
6. Watson/Brussouw
7. Burger
8. Spies/Vermeulen
9. FdP/Rocket
10.Pienaar/Grant
11. Zane
12. Steyn/JdV
13. Jacobs/Fourie
14. JPP
15. Terblanche
9 Mar 2009, 23:05 pm
#972 cab: I sent Robzim a whole load of newer stuff, don’t know what you get in S.A besides the mainstream stuff.
Had a laugh when another blogger said he “enjoyed” James Blunt, Soda, Robzim and I gave him hell!! lol I have not used his name to spare him blushes!
9 Mar 2009, 23:05 pm
#973 carol:
I have made that mind shift now and will do it in future as my “heart picks” have been fairly disasterous so far. Luckily the Stormers have an easy match this weekend!
9 Mar 2009, 23:08 pm
#972 cab: I watched the Joy Division movie a little while ago – directed by Anton Corbijn (along with Bleddyn Butcher my favorite rock photographers) – really very, very good. Depressing.
New Order are naff dude. But Bernie Sumner can play geet and Peter Hook was a killer on bass.
Katman/WPTID Yak-Skiing story might well be made in to a short movie.
9 Mar 2009, 23:08 pm
How on this earth given to us by God can this idiot compare Puke Twatson, and how he played on Saterday with Jeff Wilson and his three tries. They didnt even win, in fact they were never in front, how on eart can he show “ek kan julle nie **** tekens” to the people? How stupid can one man be?
9 Mar 2009, 23:08 pm
#976 carol: Which he listens to in his Mark Spitz speedo.
9 Mar 2009, 23:09 pm
#976 carol:
james blunt, f’ck me carol, thats a no-no.
9 Mar 2009, 23:09 pm
#979 the chosen one: Bud I think everyone’s moved on.
9 Mar 2009, 23:10 pm
#975 SodaJoe: scar front row that is.
9 Mar 2009, 23:11 pm
#981 cab: LOL. You missed it. We were cruel.
9 Mar 2009, 23:12 pm
#978 SodaJoe:
yip, joy division good, but can get a bit morose, like the killers and the strokes out of your parts.
seem to have developed an unusual penchant for my old man’s taste in chris rea of all things, bladdy embaressing, but have a listen to ‘steel river’, great voice.
9 Mar 2009, 23:12 pm
#977 Robzim: I think this weekend may be the first where I put the Stormers to win too!!
9 Mar 2009, 23:13 pm
#977 Robzim: Bogger Off.
Counting your meager little chickens before they hatch.
Lions by 4.
9 Mar 2009, 23:13 pm
#986 carol: HUGE HUGE mistake. This is where I overtake you Ms Cheltenham.
9 Mar 2009, 23:14 pm
#985 cab: Road to Hell is a good song, but he is too patchy for me. Best of material will do fine.
9 Mar 2009, 23:14 pm
#975 SodaJoe:
close enough, would definitely do the business, but they won’t start without Smit so he’s going to start at 1.
#950 katman:
you be surprised what an accomplished musician and lyricist and vocalist the man is and was, just most couldn’t get the hang of the sound of it because it was more a troubadour style based on the lilting lyrical southern hillbilly drawl of Woody Guthrie type madrigals
But if one listens to the sweet sound of his solo guitar and the accompaniment of his voice and harmonica on his early stuff as in Freewheelin’, that kid was a downright genius at the age of 21.
9 Mar 2009, 23:14 pm
#980 SodaJoe: I will not discuss his choice of swimwear!! lol
He assures me speedos are not his thing! I believe him!
9 Mar 2009, 23:15 pm
Cab & Zimbo your Bok teams quickly. I have to go.
9 Mar 2009, 23:15 pm
#981 cab: James Blunt, quite shocking…..
We put him right though!
9 Mar 2009, 23:16 pm
#984 SodaJoe: It was very funny though!
9 Mar 2009, 23:16 pm
#991 carol: But can you trust what a James Blunt fan says? Hmmmmm? Tuff call methinks.
9 Mar 2009, 23:17 pm
#987 SodaJoe:
I wont give try and convince you that you are wrong. I need to close the gap on Superbru so go for it
9 Mar 2009, 23:20 pm
#985 cab: Besides “Love will Tear Us Apart” Joy Division are not memorable for me.
I too like some “faintly iffy” stuff too….Chris Rea I can cope with in small doses.
Soda reminds me I am actually a Fauxe Punkette….I like “soft punk” lol
9 Mar 2009, 23:20 pm
#996 Robzim: Don’t cry after the game. I am happy you’re are going with your heart and not your head. Now hurry up with that Bok team.
My friend Kieran owns a bar that is the #1 Jameson Whsiskey Bar in the WORLD, and he is getting an award, so free dops for me.
9 Mar 2009, 23:20 pm
1000
9 Mar 2009, 23:21 pm
Bugger
9 Mar 2009, 23:21 pm
the chosen one could be the vrot watermelon man all over again, maybe not.
heres going for the 1000
probably a little too early
9 Mar 2009, 23:21 pm
I only saw the **** now.
9 Mar 2009, 23:21 pm
Free dops and 1000.
Who da man?
9 Mar 2009, 23:21 pm
missed !!
9 Mar 2009, 23:21 pm
#988 SodaJoe: NO, I will remain infront of you on superbru Soda, still have Robzim and Grant trailing behind!! (Thanks to GBS mostly) !!
9 Mar 2009, 23:22 pm
#992 SodaJoe:
only surprise kirschner at 15, white’s squad with PdVs offloading
1. Guthro (beast) 2. Bismarck (smit) 3. CJ
4. Bakkies 5. Matfield
6. Burger (Watson) 7. Juan 8. Spies (Kanko)
9. FdP 10. Butch (pienaar)
12. Steyn (JdV) 13. Fourie (adi)
11. Habana 14. JP 15. Kirshner.
better hit the sack
9 Mar 2009, 23:23 pm
#995 SodaJoe: I would trust Grant10 with my life!!
9 Mar 2009, 23:24 pm
#992 SodaJoe:
15 Jantjes
14. JPP
13 Adi
12. Jean
11. Habanna
10 Pienaar
9 The cocky short *** from the sharks.
1. Beast
2. Bismark
3. CJ
4. Bakkies
5. Victor
6. Watson
7. Vermeulen
8. Spies/Kanko
9 Mar 2009, 23:24 pm
Yup you deserved it Sodapop
gotta keep that aim sharp shoot
9 Mar 2009, 23:24 pm
#1001 yliad: I forgot about that…..blow!!
Congratulations btw!
9 Mar 2009, 23:24 pm
#1006 cab: An abundance of riches. Bye bud.
9 Mar 2009, 23:25 pm
#1006 cab: See you CAB. That must be a work in progress, sleep on it!
9 Mar 2009, 23:26 pm
howzit
this weeks picks are tough!
blues 12+
brumbies 1-12
force 1-12
chiefs 1-12
sharks 1-12
stormers 1-12
am not 100% on the brumbies, force, sharks results. sharks looked really tired at end of the blues game.
9 Mar 2009, 23:26 pm
Just where is GBS tonight?
9 Mar 2009, 23:27 pm
#997 carol:
yeah agree, faux punkette, what are your tastes then, cant believe sid vicous? sisters of mercy? the clash, the jam, the ramones, blondie? quite like alot of punk, but never got blondie much.
9 Mar 2009, 23:29 pm
Nothing much happening here
guess all the fireworks have all blown cold
perhaps better be off too
so long
9 Mar 2009, 23:35 pm
#1013 Tomsta: I have to go, but Lions are going to beat the Stompies.
See you all through the window.
9 Mar 2009, 23:37 pm
#1017 SodaJoe:
See u Joe, enjoy the drinks
9 Mar 2009, 23:40 pm
#1015 cab: Pretty good list there….Blondie very “soft” punk!!
The Undertones, Stranglers that sort of stuff!
9 Mar 2009, 23:40 pm
#1017 SodaJoe: chers SJ
i had to think long and hard about the lions game. stormers will somehow take some positives from only losing by 4 points to bulls away.
think they will feel better about playing at home. also expect grant to take the reins for rest of season and that will bring confidence to team and JDv will be unleashed.
close game tho
9 Mar 2009, 23:44 pm
Puke is a permanent skidmark in the world of underpants……..I just rewatched the incident with Puke and the young winger……..all instigated by Puke. The doos gets what he deserves IMO
9 Mar 2009, 23:47 pm
#1008 Robzim:
Hahahahah…………jeez you can’t be serious. You would actualy pick Puke ahead of Brussouw? Shake ya head dude!
9 Mar 2009, 23:51 pm
#1021 Watermelon King is vrot:
Yeah, whatever you believe. The fact is he is beginning to win many people over again . The tide turns quickly around here – many letters in the local newspapers of people admiring his guts etc.
9 Mar 2009, 23:56 pm
#890 hater:
Doos of note! Biggest hypocrite on these pages. Classic museum material.
9 Mar 2009, 23:56 pm
#1022 Watermelon King is vrot:
Check the teams that are picked by the other bloggers tonight (Cab, Soda Joe etc.) and then you can do more headshaking dude
9 Mar 2009, 23:58 pm
#1023 Robzim:
To be fair Robzim, I was once a big fan of Puke, when he played rugby only. Once he started becomming his fathers spokesperson, he lost my vote.
10 Mar 2009, 00:00 am
#1025 Robzim:
Everyone entitled to their opinions……. I just honestly feel there are better all round players. Judging him purely on footie he is a good player, but not run on material in a BOK side IMO
10 Mar 2009, 00:02 am
#1026 Watermelon King is vrot:
I admit he made some mistakes, I am not sure how his father fits in. I just wish people will get on with it and judge him as a player only.
Anyway, it is after 12 already. We can argue later again.
Cheers.
10 Mar 2009, 00:02 am
#1023 Robzim:
hehe…..guts or stupidity………sometimes different sides of the same coin!
10 Mar 2009, 00:03 am
#1028 Robzim:
Cheers dude
10 Mar 2009, 00:07 am
#846 Cuito Carnivale:
He sure as *** does not want to dine with you
10 Mar 2009, 00:33 am
i am shocked and feel like vommiting myself keo
the fact u call them loftus louts
sowhat are you are allowed an opion’watson
got wat was coming tohim
for his statments towards sa rugby he bit the hands that feed him
if he hates sa rugyb so much go and play anotehr spot
he doesnt mind taking the money but doesnt like who pays it to him
and besides he is a traitor to his own people
10 Mar 2009, 00:34 am
watson deserved what he got
10 Mar 2009, 00:36 am
he is the reason our bok is being taken off the jersey and u supprt him keo? strange that.
he is a white gevaar
10 Mar 2009, 00:47 am
so what if sa rugby is run by afrikaaners
it doesnt spoil thegame no one seems botherd by that
10 Mar 2009, 01:21 am
#1001 UBU:
Nope always behind the eight ball pal…
“More predictable than a chief of the blinkered mobs rant…”
Spot on Keo… there is an old saying…
“Never let a doos turn you into one…”
And that doos Watson certainly achieved that with the Loftus crowd and those refusing to shake Captain Doos’ hand…
All round embarrassment…
10 Mar 2009, 07:18 am
crazy stufff
stil can over this articlee by keo. Senseless
Luke is blaame here.
10 Mar 2009, 07:42 am
The parallel with Wilson is wrong, Firstly the Stormers lost. Watson didnt score a hatrick either. An 8th man’s job is to carry the ball up. Watson is Rubbish at this. When was the last time Watson scored a try? Spies scores week in week out. What has Watson done at international level when he was given a chance? Nothing. What has Spies done, plenty, decimate England and Australia. The only reason Keo and other websites keep on saying Watson is a good player is to fuel the debates Thus creating more hits on their websites. Every Watson fan has to be honest with themselves and admit that they cannot imagine him ever performing on the international stage. What kind of a player tries to G up the opposition crowd? how can that be viewed as noble? Would any of the most respected players in Sa rugby have ever done that? Piennar, Teichman, Smit, Vos, Krige, De Villiers, Percy. James Small probably wouldnt even have done it. Imature, he would have come off looking much better if he had just ignored it.
10 Mar 2009, 07:48 am
#1038 rova:
hit number 1038
10 Mar 2009, 08:29 am
People I am learning and see that a new history is written
on this blog making us believe that the Blacks dismantled
the White Nukes.I am happy to report that they did not and
subsequently we are all still around to write about it.
Now don’t come back and label me racist there maybe Blacks
around today capable to do it but certainly not at the
time they came to power because their communist masters
kept their nuke capabilities close to their heart and were
not about to share it with any freedom fighting movement.
So here is the real story ,copied and pasted.
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However, by 1988 the diminishing threat of the Soviet Union and the resolution of regional conflicts during the latter half 1988 led to an increased feeling of security by the South African government. A cease-fire between South Africa, Cuba, and Angola in August and the withdrawal of South African troops from Angola eventually lead to a tripartite agreement between these nations. The UN agreement was signed on 22 December and provided for the independence of Namibia and the withdrawal of 50,000 Cuban troops from Angola. The improvement of South Africa’s security situation proved to be a pivotal factor in the future decision to dismantle its nuclear weapons program.
Around this time, South Africa also gave its clearest public statement alluding to its nuclear weapons capacity. In August 1988, Pik Botha, the South African foreign minister, publicly announced “We have the capability to make one [a nuclear weapon]. We have the capability to do so should we want to.” When asked by reporters if South Africa already possessed such a device, Botha stated “I’m not going to enlarge on that statement.”
But only one month later, in September 1988, South Africa sent a letter to then-IAEA Director General Hans Blix expressing willingness to accede to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) if certain conditions were met, primarily that South Africa be allowed to market its uranium subject to IAEA safeguards. Less than two years later, the de Klerk government implemented its decision to terminate South Africa’s nuclear weapons program. All nuclear devices were dismantled and destroyed. The nuclear materials in Armscor’s possession were recast and returned to the AEC, where they were stored according to internationally accepted procedures. Armscor’s facilities were decontaminated and dedicated to non-nuclear commercial purposes. A date was set for South Africa to accede to the NPT and to submit all of its nuclear materials and facilities to international safeguards. According to Waldo Stumpf, by June 1991, the dismantling of South Africa’s nuclear weapons program was “essentially complete.”
So you see one has got to give credit where credit is due.
10 Mar 2009, 08:48 am
#1024 Watermelon King is vrot: COWARD!!! You waited for Skoppie, Cuito and me to leave before talking your nonsense. BIG FAT COWARD!!!
10 Mar 2009, 17:07 pm
#499 hjk: marlboro lights.. want one?
ecstatic, yes.. alot are still in your face aggro, even way after a gaim.. just an observation since I interact with a few good bulls supporters everyday day
10 Mar 2009, 17:12 pm
#1038 rova: bulls supporters were eager for the showdown and so what if he reacted? not many a player would just keep quiet whens its public knowledge that the crowd were out for him.. so I dont see a reason to complain about the reaction. But really the Luke topic is getting rather old. Btw james small had done a similar gesture to a crowd
10 Mar 2009, 20:24 pm
You got it wrong keo … Puke is the lout! The 50,000 Dutchmen at Loftus just laugh at this idiot. I lost ALL my respect for him. He’s a vain, arrogant piece of puke. There must be 10 better loose forwards in South Africa at the moment, anyway. And daddy being proud of his son’s behaviour … I just shake my head in disbelief. And you defend this idiot, as if he were a hero – shame!
11 Mar 2009, 01:01 am
#1041 hater:
Pathetic mamma arn’t you?? I do not wait for anyone to log on or log off before I have a read and post my comments. I have certainly never shyed away from your hate filled racist drivell, but fronted you head. Live in the real world doos, not in the past.
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