Disgraceful De Villiers
29 Jun 2009
In a surreal press conference, Peter de Villiers continued to deny Schalk Burger was guilty of eye gouging and delivered some of his most sensational rubbish ever.
De Villiers on Monday held court with a room full of journalists, the majority of those from the foreign press, and proceeded to spit the most ridiculous nonsense, and display an incredibly pompous and dismissive attitude, particularly towards the foreign contingent. For those present it was obvious that he has a very low opinion of them.
The questioning predictably centred around Burger’s eight-week ban for eye gouging Lions wing Luke Fitzgerald, an issue that the Springbok media team tried to dodge by saying that they would only comment after they had received an official report on the incident. You didn’t need an official report to know that Burger is unbelievably lucky not to receive a longer ban.
On Saturday De Villiers left the press incredulous by saying that Burger didn’t deserve a yellow card for the incident, let alone a citing. On Monday the coach had an opportunity to retract that ludicrous statement and concede that he was wrong. Yet he remained resolute in his flawed view.
‘I stand by Schalk, I’m still convinced he didn’t do it,’ he told keo.co.za. ‘When you watch the footage closely and if you know the nature of Schalk, you’ll know that he will never go to those measures to impose himself. Schalk certainly didn’t do anything on purpose. He watched the TV footage and was taken aback himself.
‘I am against anything that is against the spirit of the game. If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.’
When one of the travelling pressmen continued the line of questioning, De Villiers snapped, ‘Some of us seem to have a hearing problem. We’re waiting for the official report and we’ll see what that says. If they find him guilty of something we’ll abide by that decision.
‘I’m not ducking the issue, I’m working within a system. I’m not like you [the media] who don’t work within a system.’
De Villiers said he doesn’t condone foul play [the likes of which Burger was clearly guilty of], yet continued to inadvertently justify the incident.
‘Rugby is a contact sport and so is dancing,’ he said. ‘If you guys [the media] were clued up you’d know that there were so many incidents that we could have complained about, like the incident where a Lions player maliciously jumped into one of ours with their shoulder.
‘But we didn’t do it because this is a contact sport. If you are going to complain about every incident we might as well go to a ballet shop and all get tutus.’
Despite the series victory, there is a widely held view that the Springboks beat the Lions despite of their coach and not because of him. De Villiers’ rebuttal, ‘Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don’t react to opinion, I react to fact,’ he said.
‘If I’m the weakest link then we are bloody strong. I’m a God-given talent. I am the best I can be. I know what I am and I don’t give a damn.’
He continued by saying he didn’t read the papers, and therefore didn’t know how he was perceived in the media.
‘I don’t care. I don’t take an interest in your job, but I’m glad you take an interest in mine.’
Any preceding Springbok coach would have been seriously taken to task by the administration, but De Villiers gives one the impression, through his attitude and unbridled hogwash that he delivered on Monday, that he believes he is a law unto himself.
The reality is that he was an embarrassment to South African rugby, as he was when he offered his racially loaded views relating to Ricky Januarie, for which he will have to answer to the president’s council.
The same president’s council who appointed him based on his skin colour and not his rugby credentials (they confirmed this themselves when announcing his appointment), are now pointing the finger at him when they should be held partly accountable for the perception he is creating of himself, and by association, the Springboks, and South Africans in general.
De Villiers considers himself to be an ambassador for South Africa. He has said so on numerous occasions. But he is doing anything but creating a favourable impression of this country.
He needs to be reined in immediately. Word from inside the Springbok camp is that he just refuses to listen to any advice offered by his media managers, and as a result he is destroying any credibility he might have left.
Today he was a disgrace and he’s single-handedly detracted from the wonderful achievement of winning a Lions series. Hopefully it’s the last time we’ll have to endure a senseless rant like this from De Villiers. Don’t hold your breath though.
By Ryan Vrede, Johannesburg
859 Comments
29 Jun 2009, 14:21 pm
Disgraceful Dragons!
29 Jun 2009, 14:22 pm
Just maybe it PDV way of supporting his player through times of trouble.
He will back his player in the media and discipline behind closed doors.
Maybe he is taking the media focus off his player…good on him.
29 Jun 2009, 14:24 pm
Keo and Ryan, Come on guys, the Coach is standing by his player “I stand by Schalk, I’m still convinced he didn’t do it”.
This is to be applauded. If PDiv thinks Schalk didnt do it, he is entitled to, and obviously Schalk feels similarly and hence his coach is sticking by him.
When it happened, I personally also didnt think it was a yellow card. Plus Burger is not that kind of player.
The replays have made it look bad, and if it was contact with the eyes, Burger has been punished.
29 Jun 2009, 14:24 pm
well, i do agree with this statement:
‘But we didn’t do it because this is a contact sport. If you are going to complain about every incident we might as well go to a ballet shop and all get tutus.’
29 Jun 2009, 14:28 pm
i agree with thew bok coach even if schalk is guilty no other teams get punished or cited so why must the boks
its time south africans started sticking up for our selfs
why wernt any of the brit lions cited only the boks were
what bout bods shoulder charge on danie
29 Jun 2009, 14:29 pm
Many will lambast Ryan for the perceived negative stance of this article, and accuse him of character bashing.
But I for one am sick and tired of the **** PDV sprouts.
It is not funny.
It is sad and embarrassing and cannot be good for the team.
29 Jun 2009, 14:30 pm
Funny how all this emotive language gets accepted unquestioningly. Sure, what Schalk did was a foul and he deserved a yellow card, no question. But it wasn’t “gouging”. Gouging is when the tip of the finger is directed into the eye or eye socket with the intent of scratching or forcibly dislodging the eyeball. At most, Schalk placed his fingers flat across Fitzgerald’s eyelids and pressed downwards. Uncomfortable, I’m sure, and certainly a foul, but not particularly dangerous. And it certainly doesn’t constitute “gouging”.
29 Jun 2009, 14:31 pm
pdv is an embarrassment. he deserves to be fired. south africa deserves competent coaching staff.
29 Jun 2009, 14:31 pm
‘If I’m the weakest link then we are bloody strong. I’m a God-given talent. I am the best I can be. I know what I am and I don’t give a damn.’
Anyone who thinks this is a humble statement and not a ludicrously arrogant one needs to get off the sauce.
29 Jun 2009, 14:32 pm
A video of panic mechanic poking a real lion in the eye, in the bush, would be a real you tube hit!
29 Jun 2009, 14:34 pm
It looks like all Jake White’s hard work to improve Bok discipline and cut out the foul play they were previously notorious for has not only returned under P divvy, but is being encouraged and promoted by him.
I look forward to seeing more Bok farcical mindless violence like the time when Corne Krige punched out his team mate Andre Pretorious then laughably tried to blame it on the opposition.
It seems the halcyon days of Bok thuggery are back, when touring teams knew they would have to take boxing lessons, in addition to the usual training on the paddock.
Heady days.
29 Jun 2009, 14:34 pm
Everyone will support him obviously but what he did was appauling !! Really didnt expect someone with Schalk’s class to do that !! But hey now we a coach who has been accused of racist slurs, and from what he said, “I’m still convinced he didn’t do it,’ he told keo.co.za” (I think he might be blind to haha,)
29 Jun 2009, 14:34 pm
You cannot win a fight against the media.
If he was half intelligent, he would realize that and work with them, rather than against them.
It is not so much the content of what he says, but rather his crude attitude and lack of decency and manners.
He simply is way out of his depth, and now it is getting serious, because he is starting to do damage to our reputation.
29 Jun 2009, 14:37 pm
its not fair iam tired of sa players being banned when everyone else walks free
29 Jun 2009, 14:37 pm
This bloke is an absolute baby and he’s thrown the south african game into total disrepute. He should apply for a job with max mosely at the FIA.
29 Jun 2009, 14:38 pm
#7 pierre:
Not ‘gouging’!!! you have lost the fvcking plot.
Luckily no else agrees with you (save for p divvy) and Burger got 2 months.
29 Jun 2009, 14:38 pm
#13 tight head:
Spot on Tighthead, spot on.
29 Jun 2009, 14:38 pm
Piet Snor is an embarrassment to us and SA rugby. A team manager should be appointed to speak to the media.
29 Jun 2009, 14:39 pm
It seems a few people on here dont have TVs.Guys the radio does not do justice to what actually happened.PDV is a clown,Schalk eye gouged and SA is 2 games up over the lions.Thats the way i see it
29 Jun 2009, 14:43 pm
Imagine what force the Boks could be if we had Robbie Deans as coach
29 Jun 2009, 14:44 pm
The politicians gave PdV the job because they believed having a non-white in such an important position would make South Africa look good. They thought he would be a great ambassador for people of colour in the country. Instead he is now the laughing stock of the rugby world and continues to discredit South Africa at every opportunity. It is time for SARU to correct their mistake before further damage is done.
Appoint Alistair Coetzee right away.
29 Jun 2009, 14:46 pm
Actually I start to enjoy all the nonsense PdV says. Keep it up PdV.
29 Jun 2009, 14:51 pm
#13 tight head: Pretty much on the ball hey, his attitude is the problem, and i cant imagine what goes on in that springbok camp… he is either a genius or a raging lunatic.
29 Jun 2009, 14:53 pm
Sh*t I wish I could attend these press conferences.
“I am against anything that is against the spirit of the game. If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.”
Again, just keep winning PdV!
PdV is the Boks’ competitive advantage: people underestimate the Boks because he talks nonsense on purpose.
The players know that he wants them to do only 1 thing: win!!!
29 Jun 2009, 14:57 pm
Please tell me who his optometerist is? I was watching at a friend’s house, and he has a huge TV, Schalla clearly had his fingers in the dudes eye. No doubt. Good that he is standing by his player, but needs to go to English lessons.
I still have hopes that he will be a good coach, but I have my doubts.
I always say its not what you say but how you say it.
29 Jun 2009, 14:59 pm
PdV is an absolute disgrace, the laughing stock of world rugby and he is totally out of his depth here. He needs to go quick before SA Rugby is dragged further into the mud …. and all this kuk after we’ve won! The decison was in court for 8 hrs and judges decided it deserved 8 weeks … what the hell is PdV’s problem! He is insane, thank god for John Smit!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:00 pm
Can’t believe people are defending PdV here. I am a huge Burger fan but what he did was wrong and he could have cost the Boks the game – he cost us 15 points directly by acting like an idiot.
To defend that is a joke & a worrying message to some of the other players, lets see how our disipline goes from here.
The Boks win in spite of de Villiers not because of him.
29 Jun 2009, 15:01 pm
I gouged someone’s eyes over the weekend.
Also kicked me into touch for 2 months.
29 Jun 2009, 15:01 pm
“I am against anything that is against the spirit of the game. If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.” – What the hell does that even mean??
29 Jun 2009, 15:05 pm
I feel sorry for PDV not because I think he is a good coach at all but beacause he has been put in a position where he is so far out of his depth that he is a drowning man at the moment.The guys who put him in this position are the ones who should be blamed.
I was at the game on Saturday and it was a bitter-sweet win for me.As glad as I was that we won I coulnt help but feel that this side is playing way below there potential.
We have about 10 world class players at our disposal and battle against a side that has 3 at the most.
One can only come to the conclusion that its because our coaching is way below par.
The Aussies have about 3-4 world class players and are gonna be even tougher than the LIONS this year for one reason-ROBBIE DEANS.
It looks like PDV is on his way out!
Its time to bring in the only coach you can honestly say has true credentials besides Jake White.
HENEKE MEYER
29 Jun 2009, 15:06 pm
Ryan you racist.
29 Jun 2009, 15:06 pm
#25 lion4ever:
yep i have a 50 inch plasma running a HD signal from sky.
And yeah i saw fingers in the eyes,plain and simple.
PDV isnt talking nonscense on purpose,i dont think he is capable of such an impressive plan as that.
And by the way the Keo site is damn slow tonight,took me over 2 minutes to display this page and any others i have tried to look at
29 Jun 2009, 15:08 pm
Ryan after that toilet trash **** you penned yesterday you are the last person to throw stones.
I am in fact, ecstatic that he is putting the media in their place!
Schalk obviously feels he did not do it on purpose or intent, PDV is standing by his player, supporting him. Brilliant.
Intent or not, Schalk entered an area in the game which you do not enter, he got punished, and as far as I read PDV’s statement, they will accept the outcome of it. Again, what’s wrong with that?
And as for the so-called racist slurring, was what he said a lie? That we would rather stick with out of form whites than with out of form blacks or coloureds?
Just exactly who is the racist then? The one that says it like it is? Or the one screaming racism because the truth hurts???
Put these hypocrites in their place PDV!
29 Jun 2009, 15:08 pm
Tell you what – as a player an overseas offer gets more attractive every time this clown opens his mouth.
His statement on how the SA Publics opinion means jack to him was also great, lest he not forget we pay his and every player on that pitches salary.
29 Jun 2009, 15:10 pm
#2 wallabie.: I agree with you… Maybe it is PdV’s way of standing by his player…
Schalk was definately in the wrong and I guess we won’t argue as much because we have Brussouw! Hopefully Schalla will come back firing in all the right ways…
Think it will work out brilliantly having him back for the away leg of the Tri Nations… Let Burger go rattle some All Black and Wallabie down under!
Let’s win the Tri Nations 2009!! Go BOKKE!!!
PS: Jon Smit is a great Captain!!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:11 pm
#32 Hurricane:
Just wanted to say the site is a damn crawl at the moment.
29 Jun 2009, 15:12 pm
#29 bok1906:
It means he is prepared to go to the bush, chase a real lion, gouge its eyes, then see if he can outrun it!
29 Jun 2009, 15:17 pm
Site is bloody slow.
I posted a comment, went to make coffee, smoke a cig, when I got back, page was still refreshing.
29 Jun 2009, 15:17 pm
#35 Gambit25: Bob Skinstad is that you??
29 Jun 2009, 15:18 pm
#33 PissAnt:
“Putting the media in its place” – how exactly? He is looking like a prize idiot & causing serious damage to SA rugbys reputation. It was an eye gouge FFS, even a blind man can see that. There is no place for that in rugby & PdV should be making that very clear. Who cares if Schalk meant it or not, it was blatant & he should know better and PdV should NOT be defending it.
As said above, the man is WAY out of his depth!
29 Jun 2009, 15:23 pm
#37 Dawn: Haha! You cant make this stuff up!
How sad that we have all this drama after a test series victory and the biggest story in Australian rugby is over a food fight in a hotel room…
29 Jun 2009, 15:23 pm
#39 bok1906:
29 Jun 2009, 15:26 pm
#24 Sheriff:
Yes – It seems that the vast majority would like the Boks to win at any costs, and that if underhand thuggery puts the opposition players off their game, it is a legitimate and advantageous tactic to use to win the game.
The rest of the world luckily don’t think it is worth stooping to eye gouging and other underhand tactics to win a game of rugby.
This puts the current Boks at odds with the rest of the world and will forever sully their series victory.
Trying to say that British and Irish supporters simply have sour grapes at losing is to miss the point made above and will simply isolate Boks supporters from the rest of the rugby world.
Simply put, the world has moved on. Everyone else in the world, unlike in South Africa, believe that those underhand tactics are not acceptable, and have no place in rugby.
The choice for the Boks is, to continue the underhand thuggery on the premise that the end justifies the means (winning at all costs), and risk further isolation, or join the rest of the rugby fraternity in playing hard but fair rugby.
The choice is yours.
29 Jun 2009, 15:27 pm
I can not understand how a single incident can be ellevated above the glory of winning a series against the lions.
Schalk did what he did and was punished accordingly.
****, the Lions lost a series cause Schalk put his finger into a Lion player’s eye?
I would also be irretaded if I was Snorre.
Focus should be on what we achieved, and not individuals i.e. Snorre, Schalk, BOD and whoever!
29 Jun 2009, 15:27 pm
#28 Dawn: HAHAHAHAHAHA
29 Jun 2009, 15:28 pm
Headlines on keo after a historic win over the B&I Lions:
“Disgraceful De Villiers”
“A national embarrassment”
I’m glad to see we’re all standing behind the coach and the team…
You see it’s not about winning or losing, it’s apparently how you conduct yourself. It would have been a lot better to lose the series, but be more eloquent in front of the media.
29 Jun 2009, 15:29 pm
#41 bok1906:
S’all Ryan’s fault.
He is the worst kind of cullert reverse racist.
Hy maak sy eie mense uit.
29 Jun 2009, 15:29 pm
Let me tell you what we want as fans: we want to win as often as possible, 80% of the time or more!
What PdV says about this or that is irrelevant.
He knows that most of them will always be prejudiced, so why bother.
I like the part where someone wrote ” if a white coach said this he would have been sacked ” One of the other articles I think.
My interpretation: He knows they look down on him so he is returning the favour.
I probably would have taken a similar principle position. But of course, you’re not allowed to react. Then you have a chip on the shoulder.
You must just say “ja baas, nee baas” then you are fantastic!
29 Jun 2009, 15:31 pm
How can u say he is a disgrace for standing up to his player ? What was he suppose to do ? Once again poor
29 Jun 2009, 15:31 pm
#36 PissAnt: Pissant, mate – you know that I respect your opinions and know that you are the most balanced blogger of the lot, but I am going to disagree with you on this one. PdV is a disgrace. I am aghast at people protecting him. I was one of his biggest supporters when he was appointed. He is not running the show (senior players are) and his ramblings are putting SA in a very bad light. I spoke to some of the Boks in Edinburgh last year and they admitted that PdV is useless. (It came from a Black Bok, by the way).
I can accept that he wants to stand up for his own player, fair enough. But I cannot see what he has brought to the party. People will now point to the win in NZ last year etc etc. Fact is, we should have won the test before that were it not for his tactical naivity and the second one was won with a lucky bounce. Fact. coaches has been fired for much less (nick mallet critisizing ticket prices….) playing the race card is the backbone of an argument without substance. I am not attacking the man for his skin colour, but for him being found wanting. take the ricky argument – does he forget that many of us so called racists slammed him because he played Frans Steyn at fullback in the place of Kirchner? No, I do not accept the racial arguments. I want to have faith in my team and support systems; at the moment players are running the show. What if they up and left after the tri-nations? will PdV be able to build a team like his pedecessor? something tells me we will find out. I hope he can. History so far tells me he wont.
29 Jun 2009, 15:31 pm
gouge away
you can gouge away
stay all day
if you want to
missy aggravation
some sacred questions
you stroke my locks
some marijuana
if you got some
gouge away
you can gouge away
stay all day
if you want to
sleeping on your belly
you break my arms
you spoon my eyes
been rubbing a bad charm
with holy fingers
gouge away
you can gouge away
stay all day
if you want to
chained to the pillars
a 3-day party
i break the walls
and kill us all
with holy fingers
gouge away
you can gouge away
stay all day
if you want to
29 Jun 2009, 15:31 pm
“But he is doing anything but creating a favourable impression of this country”.
This is hilarious coming from a Keo writer.
29 Jun 2009, 15:33 pm
Seems it’s OK for keo.co.za to trash the travelling journos but when PDV does it all of a sudden it’s an embarrassment!
Seriously though the Brit journos know he’s a quota appointment and don’t respect him. Let him bite back, if guys were giving me **** I’d want to react too!
29 Jun 2009, 15:33 pm
This is rubbish journalism. Where did you go to journo school? With the poms? If out of context was a spot, you’d be a gunea fowl. PDV is standing by the MAN, the CHARACTER that is Schalk. He is not condoning what he did. You MUG!
29 Jun 2009, 15:35 pm
Ag nee fok it takes 20 minutes to do a post on here…
#40 Rugby-1:
Why?
Because his player was even shocked by the video evidence which suggests that there is and was never any intent to go to such lows and thuggery.
It happened, rugby is a contact sport, sometimes in a tackle your arms will slide up and end up in the neck/face area. It happens all the time.
You reckon Schalla went out and said; “Ah nice Im going to stick my finger in this tossers eyes?”
Please man.
Schalk had no intent but it was still a no-go zone in rugby and he got duly punished.
PDV stuck by his player that it was not intentional and that in a contact sport, **** happens.
Otherwise go get your tutu.
29 Jun 2009, 15:36 pm
#43 Sir_Charles_Napier:
Charles Nappy
We go out there to play a constructive game of rugby.
Players are constantly provoked but not allowed to react.
My view is that Schalla Burger acted incorrectly, whatever he was trying to do did not look kosher to me.
I saw Bakkies’ clean out for which he was banned. It look ok to me. Someone somewhere is probably trying to level the playfields.
You like to look at us and say the world has moved, fact is you’re prob regressing. So dont come to me with that sh*t!
29 Jun 2009, 15:37 pm
#43 Sir_Charles_Napier: oh puh-lease Napier, how dramatic can you get? Do you write for The Sun or some other tabloid? Typical British overreaction!
What about O’Driscoll’s swinging arm and high tackles – one that led to his OWN concussion (so much for your example of Krige knocking out his own team mate) and another helped caused Gethin’s eye injury.
What about Sheridan punching a Bok in the testicles?
His constant goading of Bakkies?
What about Rees’ high tackle on Burger? Flinging him around by the neck?
Your team wanted to play hard in that game – now 5 of them are injured and 2 in hospital. Cos they were concentrating on playing dirty and trying to wind the Boks up.
Lets go further back – against England in the World Cup Final – when Toby Flood shoved Monty in his back for no reason! That should’ve been a red card if ever I saw one!
The list goes on…
Burger was wrong, but it was not gouging, it was contact with the eye area, if anything.
So, as you say, the world has moved on – the Lions are finished.
Please dont try and preach from your pulpit.
29 Jun 2009, 15:37 pm
#39 bok1906: Why’d you think that? He didn’t say “jeepers” did he!?
29 Jun 2009, 15:38 pm
I love our coach. He is giving the media a huge carrot. Ryan Vrede is acting like the media deserves the coaches respect, for what? For always looking and finding fault in whatever is done? Last week the subs were too early, this week too late…selection blunders…….blah blah blah. Jake White almost cracked under the pressure, PDV thrives on it.
Here is a more realistic take on what happened at the press conference by a reporter who is not biased and touchy:
“Springbok coach Peter de Villiers, in standing his ground in the face of a fierce media storm, on Monday won a small battle – strongly defending suspended flank Schalk Burger.
De Villiers, in his own unique linguistic style, insisted that Burger – who was banned for eight weeks after being found guilty of committing an act contrary to good sportsmanship – was not a malicious or nasty person that deliberately engaged in an act of ‘eye gouging’.
De Villiers made it clear that he does not condone eye gouging – just like he does not condone biting, spitting, head-butting or spear tackles.
The Bok coach’s engagement with the media – for whom he has made it clear he has very little time – was without doubt one of the most entertaining media gatherings of the year.
The harder the British and Irish media tried to coax him into a trap, the more he stood his ground on his opinion of Burger.
De Villiers said he was awaiting the full judgment on Burger’s ban, before they will decide what steps, if any, will be taken.
However, he was adamant that the stalwart flank is not some deranged animal that goes about deliberately injuring people.
“I’m against anything that’s not in the spirit of the game,” De Villiers said, adding: “We [the Boks] don’t need to go to that low [levels].
“To try and even prepare them [the Springbok players] to do things that don’t belong in the game is not how we behave. We will never encourage anybody to be negative.”
De Villiers then entertained the media by suggesting that if he and his team wanted to ‘eye-gouge’ Lions, they would go to the Bushveld – which ironically is where the B&I Lions are at present, on a two-day R&R.
However, his position on Burger’s character is what kept the media wags going for almost half-an-hour.
“Schalk’s nature and character is – if you know the man like I know him – not the kind of person that would go to that measure,” he said, after asked if he changed his view on Burger’s actions.
This came after De Villiers at the weekend suggested that Burger should not have been yellow carded for the incident involving Lions wing Luke Fitzgerald in the first minute of the Test, won 28-25 by the Boks.
“I don’t think he did,” De Villiers said, when again pressed on whether he felt Burger’s actions were deliberate.
“We are passionate about our game and if we were to encourage things like that, we’ll be fighting a lost cause,” he said, adding that they will abide by what stands in the full judgment from the judicial hearing.
“I watched the TV footage and I am still convinced it was not on purpose,” the Bok coach said, adding: “When he [Burger] saw the footage he was taken aback.
“If you look at the footage properly and you know the man [Burger] you can see why I said that [on Saturday night],” he added to repeated questions about his defence of the Bok flank.
De Villiers said he had spoken to Burger, but declined to divulge details of their conversation.
“He is an honourable man,” De Villiers said.
He also had a full go at those who suggested that South African players are overly-aggressive and nasty in their physical approach to the game.
“What we must understand is rugby is a contact sport, and so is dancing,” the Bok coach waded in, adding that in dancing you don’t have the “collisions” you have in rugby.
“If you analyse the game properly, you will see we could have cited a guy for maliciously jumping with his shoulder into somebody’s face,” he said in reference to Brian O’Driscoll’s head-high tackle that knocked out replacement lock Danie Rossouw.
“If we want to win games in boardrooms and on TV screens, we might as well go to the nearest ballet shop and buy ourselves some tutus,” the Bok coach added.”
By Jan de Koning
THERE IS NO OTHER SPORTS COACH IN THE WORLD, NOT EVEN JOSE MOURHINO OR ALEX FERGUSON WHO CAN GIVE THE BRITISH MEDIA SUCH MIDDLE FINGER. I love it!
29 Jun 2009, 15:42 pm
hey
btw everyone
how many matches have we now go unbeaten
…
awwwwwww, i know its still early days, but what if … what if
awwwwwww, i’m bekakking myself van lekker kry!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:45 pm
A pearl of widsom once given to me by a far wiser man….
and i pass it on to PDV
Never,ever never….
argue
with people
who buy ink
by the barrel….
29 Jun 2009, 15:45 pm
#59 middles: good point. have to agree with your last paragraph. my issue is with his ability to coach. No doubt people will point to his fantastic win ratio; I hope he keeps it up. He just seems tactically very very naive.
29 Jun 2009, 15:47 pm
#56 Sheriff: Mooi gese Sheriff – dis die waarheid – daar was niks verkeerd met Bakkies se tackle nie – dis net omdat die Leeus se stut was beseerd dat daar was nou aandag daarop en Bakkies is gestraf.
Hierdie Britse ouens wat so preek maak my lelik kwaad
29 Jun 2009, 15:47 pm
#59 middles:
jan jou doring!!
jan jan jan hysie soul vannie span
(ja f*k, en elton oek!!)
yeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:48 pm
lol, good on you Coach Peter.
“If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.”
Brilliance. It will take days for this to sink in.
29 Jun 2009, 15:49 pm
#60 ashley: 6?…but to win the next 12 on the trot…against NZ and Aus home and away….eish….
29 Jun 2009, 15:50 pm
#61 nervous_grant10:
dets true
but
i also love doing that!!
i mean, its not as if they
who buy inks by the barrel
gets wisdom with it!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:52 pm
#56 Sheriff:
Incorrectly? eye gouging is the worst thing you can do to an opponent on a rugby field. The guy is as thick as two planks, but congrats to the Bokke at last minute penalty to beat the Lions at home.
29 Jun 2009, 15:52 pm
#66 Veltie:
if we can get through the next 3nations without hick-ups
we’ll be well on our way!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:53 pm
So lets look at this objectively.The South African coach position is a Leadership position. It involves motivating,inspiring,developing and above all leading players to what should be a victorious career as rugby players. Where in the world does denial of a wrongdoing that is so blatantly evident to the whole rugby world fit into those categories. Surely if he came out and said that we have all seen the offence and what it implies but that I choose to believe as his coach that it was not intentional then we could perhaps understand.
29 Jun 2009, 15:54 pm
#51 katman: good song!
29 Jun 2009, 15:54 pm
#59 middles:
How the likes of Keos clowns and Gavin Rich can put a spin on any situation. Most here are suckers and fall for it all the time. Well done Div for standing by Schalla, no wonder they are prepared to dig deep when the chips are down. My question to all and sundry if they were not happy with Div they could have decided to lose to get rid of Div. Makes you think…
29 Jun 2009, 15:55 pm
#50 Veltie: LOL!!!, “came from one of the black bok”, that has to be hilarious!!!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:55 pm
#50 Veltie:
I am having a tiff with the journo’s actually.
But in light of what you said and especially the Ricky and racial garbage he was quoted on, there is no denying a lot of people on here and out there will always carry rugby’s best interests at heart, so if a player is kak he is kak, punt klaar.
Ricky is absolute hond kak at the moment in my view, but many people, many more than the group I referred to above, is exactly what he referred to about being comfortable or have more faith in white people than black people.
I am not going to lie to you, every single white person I know is like that. We put more faith in fellow white people than in black people.
Hell at times I am like that even, and when PDV said that I reckoned he hit the nail on the head.
By actually being guilty myself of what he said, I does not remove me from admitting he is right, in fact, I think it puts me in a great position to admit he is right.
Now the media call it him playing the race card or him being racist? From where I sit, he is simply stating facts.
Just sit back and think for a bit what happened in the last 2 years.
On the day he was appointed he was branded as a quota coach.
Before he even lifted a finger articles and opinions were flying around with racial undertones, that he is nothing but a quota appointment.
Since then it has been one character assasination after the other, from *** scandal allegations to quota selections and then some inbetween still.
Nowhere, in the history of our game has a coach had to deal with the character assasinations this man had to deal with from day 1 by the media. Calling him the biggest embarrassment in Bok history.
And you think he is supposed to simply continue to smile and wave at the media?
I have read rumours upon rumours without anyone having the balls to say “I said it” or “He said it”, just informed sources told Keo.co.za and so on.
(No reflection on yourself and what you heard, I would never accuse you of lying, but how would you like to be publicly judged by people you have never met on unsubstantiated rumours???).
The fact is PDV has seldom been judged in the media on rugby grounds, there is always some dig at his character – for instance go read Rob Houwing’s article on News 24 on this very same interview he sat in and just look at how the two articles differ!
He is more judged on rugby in comments by bloggers like you and others, where he is duly criticised for his ****-ups in rugby, myself included – I have no skaam dishing out criticism and have done so many times to him.
But articles like this is an embarrassment to South Africa – not the coach.
My issue is with the kak that is written here by these journo’s.
29 Jun 2009, 15:57 pm
Ek soek ‘n goeie motor werktuigkundige , wonder of die coach nie sal weet van ‘n goeie een nie. Eish , wat kom alles uit die man se mond. Nie meer lank nie dan is daar ook weer ‘n sirkus op hande. Die spelers het die reeks gewen en ek glo nie die coach het juis veel aandeel daarin gehad nie. Dink nie hy is regtig besig om op te bou nie , breek eerder stadig maar seker af. Ek hoop maar dinge gaan beter in die 3N hierdie jaar.
29 Jun 2009, 15:57 pm
#63 bokfan1:
These guys have issues with us, we dont have issues with them.
But if they are going to provoke us all the time, then they will get what they deserve.
Their biggest problem is their arrogance. They continue to tell us how k*k we are but we continue to beat them.
29 Jun 2009, 15:58 pm
for once i stand behind the Snor.this must have been a like a slap in the face of the british media .
‘I’m not ducking the issue, I’m working within a system. I’m not like you [the media] who don’t work within a system.’
I don’t care. I don’t take an interest in your job, but I’m glad you take an interest in mine.
classic . told them to their faces hahahA you gotta love wonder how the british media is going react to the hammering they received from HELIUM!!!
29 Jun 2009, 15:58 pm
Veltie and others my apologies.
It seems to be useless posting on here at the moment.
Maybe we can catch up on this later as I have to run in 10 minutes.
29 Jun 2009, 15:59 pm
I am sorry if the following offends you,but Markgraaf’s
ill conceived utterances cost him his coaching because
he became and embarrassment to South African rugby,so is PDV.
The sooner he packs his bags and goes and a coach is found
with a less pompous attitude the better.
29 Jun 2009, 15:59 pm
#74 PissAnt: “But articles like this is an embarrassment to South Africa – not the coach.”
Never a has truer word been spoken
29 Jun 2009, 15:59 pm
#65 cab:
some guys earlier suggested that he was talking about real lions!
29 Jun 2009, 16:00 pm
I have it on good authority that on the 60 minute mark, Smit rounded up the guys in a huddle and said:
“Its Jake White rugby time”
All the players nodded knowingly and, after a few chants of “structure” they went on to win the Test.
29 Jun 2009, 16:02 pm
#68 NZINCHINA:
I watched the game afterwards, saw a replay or two but it was not conclusive.
I stated that I was not comfortable with his finger movements, he seems to be searching for the eyes, so I’m happy with his punishment. Matter of fact, I believe it’s a blessing in disguise as he will now not interfere with Hein Brussow’s selection.
Schalla has a tough year but he needs to regroup and come back with renewed energy.
Brad Thorne remains the No 1 thug in world rugby, that’s fact.
29 Jun 2009, 16:03 pm
#79 Brentie1: I’ll take a winning coach above a polite one every day.
I dunno why the journalists and fans have suddenly become so sensitive.
Whatever happened to “Schalk Burger and Bakkies Botha may break my bones but words will never hurt me”?
29 Jun 2009, 16:04 pm
#56 Sheriff:
Actually, i am part of the Ulster Diaspora (Irish) but by dismissing all that i have to say without offering a credible counter argument and simply blaming it on ‘British prejudice’ is a familiar ploy of the one-eyed Bokke supporters. It is disingenuous and has more to do with one-eyed Bokke supporters prejudice against the British.
The fact is, that before and after Jake White the Bokke were notorious for deliberately trying to physically intimidate their opponents by using underhand thuggery.
One look at all the French, Ozzie, Italian, Kiwi etc websites will tell you that all the other countries agree with this assessment of fact.
Time to make a decision. Follow the rest of the rugby world and clean up your game or be shunned for it.
#57 bokfan1:
I should imagine that the poor citing commissioner could not cite Sheridan for the punch because he would have to cite all the other Bokke punches and other thuggery off the ball that the Lions players say were happening that he would have picked out with the benefit of the tape.
Similarly, I can remember innumerable cases of Bokke players clothes lining (JB Pieterson in Kearney) and tackles around the neck on Lions players.
Given all the Bokke provocation it was remarkable so few Lions players reacted in the same spirit as the Bokkes although I accept there were a few instances of the Lions playing the same game as the Bokkes.
The poor citing commissioner was faced with a litany of illegal activity, the vast majority of which were Bokke offences. That he only picked out 2 Bokke offences proves this assessment to be correct.
It is interesting to see so many that have maligned and derided p Divvy agreeing with him on this issue. To the rest of the world you look as deranged and one-eyed as him
29 Jun 2009, 16:04 pm
#51 katman: The PIXIES…great music taste there Katman
29 Jun 2009, 16:05 pm
#79 Brentie1: Brentie, attitude doesnt matter – a coach that wins games does.
John Mitchell – absolute arrogant w@nker, but he is a good coach who can win games.
The current Abs coach is the most sour, bland, arrogant guy but the ABs win games (not lately, but they were) so he is coach.
As long as the Boks win 75%, he can stay
29 Jun 2009, 16:09 pm
#85 Sir_Charles_Napier: Sour grapes mate cos your cr@p team lost. You guys tried to play a big boys’ game and intimidate the Boks but it didnt work, now you all are crying “foul”.
The instigation and needling and goading came from the Lions. The Boks dont need to play that game – they havent since 2003 – 6 years ago. The bkos were 1-0 up in the series, they didnt need to play dirty.
29 Jun 2009, 16:10 pm
#74 PissAnt: Fair play and some of Keo’s boys do look more at home writing for the Son…
However, i do not agree with the fact that (most – or all as you say) white people put more faith in other white people than black people. Why the outcry to have Kirchner in fullback as opposed to Steyn? Why was Habana kept in even when he lost form? How many people have admitted that they were wrong on Adi? (myself included). A bit of a contridiction there…I realise. But Adi was plucked from obscurity and replaced one of the best centres in the world. Critisism was not unwarranted.
Maybe you are right that we gobble up everything that sensationalist journalism throws at us. I am definately guilty of that.
but I want my team to win. I want to know that we have the best coach, players, suppport staff etc in place. I don;t get that feeling. And I dont get that feeling because of how certain results have gone. Yes, most of them we won, granted. But I place question marks over PdV’s tactical nous. Not because of journalism this way or that, but because of what I see unfolding on a rugby pitch. simple example: Would Brussouw have come on at all if Danie was not concussed?
29 Jun 2009, 16:10 pm
#71 bokfan1:
#86 pokkel:
The best band’s best song (it’s roughly based on the bible story of Samson).
29 Jun 2009, 16:13 pm
#83 Sheriff:
Mate we all support our players / team but what he did was a disgrace and everybody knows it, unforetunately you didn’t put the Lions away and they will always talk about how they should have and were good enough to beat you.
29 Jun 2009, 16:13 pm
Much as though I love these little gems from PDV, if he wants to keep his job long-term he’ll have to clean up his act with the media. We might think little of them (the media that is) but they can and will do major damage to his career if he gets on their wrong side.
29 Jun 2009, 16:13 pm
#85 Sir_Charles_Napier:
Charlie
You sounded like a local Khoisan to me, but it does not actually matter where you’re from. It doesn’t matter.
I think you have some reflection to do old chap.
Reflect on these: 2-0
29 Jun 2009, 16:13 pm
one thing I have to agree with Peter the journo’s have no boundries , Schalla was found guilty and will serve his time, get over it.
Rather applaud the Boks , even if you shoot Burger we would still have won. Engelse stop looking for excusses we scored 3 tries to 1, and we won the series have guts to accept that and at least congratulate us. Ryan why don’t you ask Mcgeeg why he has not publicly congratulated the boks.
Ask them why the flyhalve almost broke FdP ‘s neck
Ask them why Danie was concussed
Ask them why Bekker was punched in the balls
Los Peter nou uit , kom ons staan ‘n slag saam
29 Jun 2009, 16:15 pm
#82 Voltron:
Thats the point. If Jake had backed Schalk he would be lauded for backing his players and being loyal, PDiv does it and he is insane. Another mechanic example.
“I have it on good authority” – what speculative nonsense. Of the players on the field at 60min, what does Morne Steyn, Brussow, Adi Jacobs, Andries Bekker and Beast know about ‘Jake White’ rugby?
The BIL should congratulate us, end of story. They just put a slant on things to detract from the victory because they are so used to losing. If it wasn’t Schalk they would have been on about Jacque Fourie’s try. Just like the non-try in the World Cup final.
29 Jun 2009, 16:16 pm
#91 NZINCHINA:
Let them talk.
You and I know better. What I took from Saturday’s game:
1. Boks secured series win
2. A young man, another Steyn mind you, can deliver when it matters most. Somehow we just keep on producing these sort of players despite what “they” say.
Tell them Sheriff said they must stop moaning.
29 Jun 2009, 16:17 pm
I agree that PdV says the most ridiculous things at time and personally I think he needs a spokesperson that knows how to deal with the media. However, most media reports I’ve read actually congratulate him for standing by his man and not backing down. Go figure!
What is quite disconcerting though, is that when you read the articles of british journos, particularly idiots like Stephen Jones from Times Online, they don’t even acknowledge that SA won the Test series!? They’re extremely one-eyed in their approach and will always believe their team is reallllly better than the opposition, even if they lose every single time. British rugby journalism is a complete farce.
29 Jun 2009, 16:19 pm
#68 NZINCHINA:
so you want him to hang his players out to dry
like gh did
to keep his contract?
naah bru, not the way we do it here!!
29 Jun 2009, 16:21 pm
#90 katman: My favorite song must be Gigantic….I would pay so much money to be able to see them live…now only if my wife enjoyed their music as much as I do.
29 Jun 2009, 16:22 pm
#59 middles Sorry but you cannot condone attacking the press as a righteous act. He is one of the leaders in SA Rugby so should act with the demeanour of a leader even if others are in the wrong and he has every right to judge them. If I ask you to name all the great men of the world to emulate I can assure none would have the characteristics currently being displayed by our National Coach.
29 Jun 2009, 16:22 pm
#89 Veltie:
I was more referring to players out of form, not players who are on top form and deserve a chance.
I am on record in saying I have doubts if PDV is indeed the guy to take us to where we belong and deserve to be, but thusfar, he is not failing.
Any coach who is winning over 70% of his games deserves some credit and time.
29 Jun 2009, 16:24 pm
#90 katman: I would be hard-pressed to choose their best song bro! Very difficult. But this one is up there, and was the inspiration for Kurt writing Smells Like Teen Spirit of course
29 Jun 2009, 16:24 pm
#95 middles:
well said, bru!!
29 Jun 2009, 16:26 pm
#76 Sheriff:
exactly right
schalk will get punished and he will do the time, these british jounros must also f’ck right off and they can get as irate as they want while doing it.
the way forward is simply to herd them all up and ship them the hell out, cancel the 3rd test, for godsake, its not worth it. lets get on with some 3n rugby without all the bitching and recriminations.
please just get them out now.
29 Jun 2009, 16:26 pm
#96 Sheriff:
very well said, lawman!!
29 Jun 2009, 16:27 pm
#95 middles: You should have your sarcasm detector checked, it might be malfunctioning…
Voltron was making a joke … a rather brilliant one if you ask me.
29 Jun 2009, 16:28 pm
#98 ashley:
You both obviously think eye gouging is ok, not sure who Henry hung out to dry but I would certainly hope if an AB eye gouged the coach would not come out and say it didn’t happen, we both know PDV is a clown.
29 Jun 2009, 16:28 pm
Veltie and others, I am out of here, have a goody gents.
29 Jun 2009, 16:28 pm
#97 Globetrotter:
I know. It’s a problem world wide.
It is very hard very often to get people to see and acknowledge what is wrong. Mostly because they dont want to see it.
Read Pissant’s post on this thread and see how he checks himself and says ” even I do it sometimes”; now it takes a big man to do that.
I appeal to people here daily to acknowledge the wrongs of the past. All I get is a deafening silence, prob private thoughts and/or discussion ” F__ Sheriff”
We know the Boks are leading 2-0; let them be in denial.
The immediate reality is that the Boks have an opportunity to clinch the series 3-0; it’s there. Let’s see.
29 Jun 2009, 16:29 pm
‘Some of us seem to have a hearing problem. We’re waiting for the official report and we’ll see what that says. If they find him guilty of something we’ll abide by that decision.
‘I’m not ducking the issue, I’m working within a system. I’m not like you [the media] who don’t work within a system.’
‘But we didn’t do it because this is a contact sport. If you are going to complain about every incident we might as well go to a ballet shop and all get tutus.’
these are fkn classic…ha ha ha ha.
Why is it when our coaches complain then the whole world has to jump on their backs but the lions coach, no.9 ad no.8 , can winge and whine and be as unsportsmanlike as they please. I would prefer Meyer as coach hands down but I have had a hard laugh at these classic PdV comments.
29 Jun 2009, 16:30 pm
#100 bananaboy:
So the press can attack the coach but not the other way round? Why not? Think about it clearly…why not? what makes them special or sacred?
Great men are not always the greatest diplomats. Winston Churchill comes to mind. Great men stand up for what they believe in and back their team.
29 Jun 2009, 16:32 pm
#88 bokfan1:
As I have mentioned in my earlier posts you are entirely isolated in your view that the Bokke’s did not try to unsettle the Lions with underhand tactics.
The people who matter, the referee, citing commissioner, disciplinary committee, all the other rugby nations of the earth and a large proportion of your fellow Bokke supporters accept what their eyes tell them.
To try and defend the indefensible you have entered the strange deranged myopia (one-eyed) of your national coach. It is a strange position for an Irishman to be in, but your railing against fictional ‘British prejudices’ rather than accepting the truth of the position is clear evidence of delusion paranoia and anger management issues on a mugabee-esq scale. He also explains away all his regime’s failings on the British too.
Luckily for you, it is the worst kept secret in the worlds, that your players and assistant coaches have called the shots that matter in the Bokke camp since the murrayfield game when you almost lost to Scotland playing P Divvy’s lunatic helter skelter version of dodge ball, before reverting to type for the Twickenham game where the Bokkes turned it around to thump England.
29 Jun 2009, 16:33 pm
we
have a coach
he used
to have
two brain cells
one
got lost
the other
went looking
for the
lost one
now
we have a
no brain
coach
29 Jun 2009, 16:35 pm
#104 cab: #105 ashley:
Thanks mates!
The sad thing is that they can moan as much as they want.
It will not change the reality: 2-0
29 Jun 2009, 16:38 pm
#106 siener:
My bad. I am just so used to Journo’s spreading useless opinion that I assume some readers actually believe it.
29 Jun 2009, 16:38 pm
Its about time someone saved PdV from himself.
29 Jun 2009, 16:39 pm
“Some of us seem to have a hearing problem. We’re waiting for the official report and we’ll see what that says. If they find him guilty of something we’ll abide by that decision.”
Now what is disgraceful about that, surely the crux of the press conference should have been that, no more quizzing on the issue
29 Jun 2009, 16:43 pm
#110 byoboy:
Did you get the message from “Transformer” regarding the type of path I walk?
29 Jun 2009, 16:45 pm
#112 Sir_Charles_Napier: napier – bukkies citation was BS , and even you have to admit it
29 Jun 2009, 16:45 pm
#116 BlackPanther:
Dont worry we’ll handle internally.
You must hear my impersonation of Graham Henry, wish I could send it to you. Not exactly what I call charismatic…
29 Jun 2009, 16:48 pm
Luck: going to a bar and someone tries to hit you and they miss.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
29 Jun 2009, 16:49 pm
#112 Sir_Charles_Napier: I personally never used any argument about “British prejudices” and I read that you are part of the Ulster diaspora (Is that when Ulster Scots displaced the native Gaelic Irish during the Flight of the Earls after the defeat at Kinsale? or another one?)
We all know and admit that out new coach tried some strategies that didnt quite always work like they were supposed to, and he was new to the job.
My only point about the BILs gripes is just that if a team wants to play hard ball, then they must be able to carry it through.
O’Driscoll was the one who started throwing punches at Matfield and shouting “Bring it on” then it was brought unto him and behold he doth **** in his pants!
I love BOD and he played like a Lion, but his tackling was out of order.
Anyway, we can argue all day about this – we have differing views. Doesnt mean that mine are one-eyed just because they differ from yours though…
29 Jun 2009, 16:49 pm
I have been all for giving PDV a chance.
But we have to admit that for 60 minutes the Boks played poor rugby on Sat. And the week before he made a rash of the wrong substitutions.
He needs to learn how to be more diplomatic ASAP.
I’m still not sure if he is a good coach. Is our talent being wasted?
29 Jun 2009, 16:51 pm
#121 Sheriff: Ek het ook vir daai een gelag!
29 Jun 2009, 16:53 pm
Look, Twakkie is a moron and everyone has been saying that,to make his life a whole lot easier, he should let other members of his management team do the talking.
Saying that, the Brits and their side are seriously rubbing me up the wrong way.
All this talk about the Boks being dirty? what ****.
So Burger, in the opening 30 seconds falls to the ground,grabbing at anything he could….it happened to be the eyes and get’s yellowed? now we are dirty?
The lions came to the 2nd test looking for a fight.
They assumed the position of bullys…not the Boks.
They where the ones that got smashed in the first test.They had it all to prove, so to speak. Anyone of the Lions could have been carded with their high tackling no arm antics.
Poor tactics by the maestro McGeechan(not)…sees the Lions losing the 2nd test and resulting in a hospital full of injuries.
No team comes to loftus and plays a running game from the first minute and expects to still be the dominant side after 60 minutes.Fatigue with the inevitable injuries takes it’s toll.
All the Lions management talked up the fight in the build up…..that they should all start winging because they got put in hospital smacks of double standards.
quite frankly…the way this tour is ending with, to my mind, unsporting behavior by the losers, Lions tours should just be scrapped.
please,please…at least let the Boks hit their potantial 1 out of 3 and smoke these soft fckers at ellis park.
29 Jun 2009, 16:54 pm
#116 BlackPanther:
hmmm so what about this
“someone shouldve tried a dropkick”
“ive send messages onto the field to tell richie to try a dropkick, but he decided against that”
“we didnt send a message onto the field urging the players on to get more points for fear of losing the test”
all … yes you are correct ….gh the great!! (hanging his players out to dry)
29 Jun 2009, 16:54 pm
84. siener
So do I,but compared to Paul Treu and Paulse PDV behaves like
school boy caught smoking behind the school shed.
He is just not the right man for the job,he is riding
on the back of the world champions but got badly
exposed in last years Tri-Nations.
I am sure that the the Boks left to their own devises
would have figured out a plan to beat a average Lions
team by such a margin,that they would even turn up for
the next game and take the first flight out.
Seeing that you are a Siener,come back and tell us
mere mortal beings what value PDV has added to the
World Champions.
29 Jun 2009, 16:57 pm
#115 middles:
Keo writers & readers are independent-minded, insightful, educated, students of the beautiful game. The beautiful game of JWR.
29 Jun 2009, 17:00 pm
#127 Brentie1:
if you were openminded bru
i wouldve given up my beer time to do exactly that
but
reading through your post
…
naaah!!
got better things to do!!
29 Jun 2009, 17:00 pm
#124 bokfan1:
Look he obviously knows that he cannot express himself the way those journalists can, not that I blame him.
So he’s decided to create his own category and take them out of their comfort zone by talking a whole lot of k*k.
It affords the rest of the coaching team to assess whatever needs to be and so when they reconvene they can plan accordingly. Also PdV gives nothing away and journos leave him alone as they think he is just too stupid anyway.
The good thing is also that some of those E-Boks have also showed their intentions so they would relish any opportunity.
The likes of Deysel, Potties and Vermeulen. And perhaps Zane…
29 Jun 2009, 17:01 pm
#55 PissAnt:
Whether Schalk meant it or not is irrelevant, open your eyes mate. Eye gouging is wrong, and he gouged his eyes in front of the linesman in the first minute – and almost cost us the game. But hey believe what you like its your choice, I think it was pathetic from a player with 50 caps.
We are good enough to win without that ****. PdV could have come out & bakced his player by saying that he believed it was out of character etc but to say it was not worth a card is ridiculous!
Anyway Schalk can have a nice rest now & prepare for the away leg of the 3N, I just hope we stick 50 on the Lions next week just to shut up the UK press and a few of their players (Phillips is a tosser)
29 Jun 2009, 17:02 pm
‘I don’t care. I don’t take an interest in your job, but I’m glad you take an interest in mine.’
haha, the journos must have felt 2 feet tall after that comment
29 Jun 2009, 17:03 pm
#128 Voltron:
dont insult brentie #127
29 Jun 2009, 17:06 pm
#132 superbowljoel:
hehehehehe
classic!
29 Jun 2009, 17:07 pm
hahaha…keo, isn’t there an official schedule of interviews with this oke? This really made me laugh & lifted my day. It really is best to see his interviews as humour than take them seriously.
29 Jun 2009, 17:08 pm
Burgers suspension is the best thing for the Boks
Brussow is awesome.
Peter is a half wit
29 Jun 2009, 17:08 pm
#43 Sir_Charles_Napier: #43 Sir_Charles_Napier:
so can you clarify?
the Lions lost because Burger “eyed” the Mic after 30 seconds?
(and possibly threw him off his game for the remaining 80 minutes)
or
Burger didn’t get red after 30 seconds? didn’t get the red and your 1 man advantage,
(Has anyone in any sport in the entire history of the world ever been sent off before the first minute is up? Is Burger possibly the first to get a yellow before the first minute is up?)
Because if this is all the Lions have got, it looks like your side came to Loftus with no plan looking for any piece of luck and advantage they could find. And now it definately is sour grapes all round.
29 Jun 2009, 17:09 pm
#131 Rugby-1: I’ll have you know that’s exactly what he did, and that’s why this article is a piece of bs gutter snipe rubbish and is forcing me to make my last post on keo.
ryan vrede, you are a complete idiot and not only that but a complete ******* as well … how dare you take what a coach says defending his player and maliciously turn it into this spin-filled piece of trash you call writing. are you so desperate to see this ‘coloured’ fired? i actually now believe keo and it’s writers to be racist in the worst possible way.
pdiv is now officially the most successfull (in terms of win percentage) springbok coach ever. in a week when the entire country should be celebrating a huge victory, we have piece of **** journo’s like you desperately trying to ruin careers and use your once decent webblog as a channel for venting your small ***** and jealousy issues.
anyway, this is my last visit here. i urge the people here not to support this sort of trash any longer.
29 Jun 2009, 17:10 pm
#134 ashley: I can’t wait to read PdV’s autobiograhy once he’s done coaching. Jake White’s: informative – yes, entertaining – not really…PdV’s is gonna be a laugh a minute. He could dedicate a whole chapter to press conference one-liners!
29 Jun 2009, 17:11 pm
#130 Sheriff: Absolutely right about the E Boks. Lets say we are short on locks now, or flankers, Brussow could start with Deysel or Stegmann backing him up?
Kankowski can get a run at lock? (dont know if he is big enough)
And I agree with you about Pdv’s comments and strategy. Pdv also has to conduct press conferences in a 2nd language, and not that he is dof, but things can get muddled in translation.
Its good that he doesn’t try to just say what journalists want to hear?
29 Jun 2009, 17:12 pm
‘I don’t care. I don’t take an interest in your job, but I’m glad you take an interest in mine.’
hahahaha, why are we trying to rub the Brits’ *****? They call us lying cheats and everybody expects our coach to stand back and say ‘ja meneer, nee meneer, sal nie weer nie meneer’. F that!!
29 Jun 2009, 17:13 pm
Ok, other than the “God-given talent” part I have no issue with this whatsoever. PDV is very religious so I can understand how something like that could be taken out of context.
So he snapped at some foreign journalists and spoke his mind. He ruffled the feathers of the over confident and often arrogant media pen pushers and now they’re fighting back the only way they know how – negative articles with the sole intent of bringing him down.
You people bash him all week and he dishes you out one dose of your own medicine by telling you he couldn’t care less about your jobs and what you write about him and all of a sudden he’s a disgrace?
Very weak Ryan….
29 Jun 2009, 17:14 pm
racially loaded views on ricky januarie?? zomf. perhaps it is true that half the country is on rickies back because he’s colored…
half the team were equally **** at the end of the first test but he and adi took ALL the flack from all the media. i wonder why … why is no-one talking about dropping the patently out of form jean de villiers for jaque fourie… oh yeah … he’s a cape town white boy.
seriously. hopefully people will start seeing through this and support a team and coach that is doing their utmost to unite the country and be successful. because clearly we can’t rely on journalists like these idiots to support our team.
go div, i am officially your biggest fan. go bokke, you all rock.
29 Jun 2009, 17:14 pm
I occasionally follow the British press and have a few observations when the English or Lions lose. Whenever a former player writes an article (I’ve read ones by Keith Wood, Will Greenwood plus others) they give fair, balanced accounts of the action and applaud good play by both their own team and the opposition. Whenever some nobody reporter who probably never even touched a rugby ball himself writes a story, it’s a very different situation. They will never, ever acknowledge that their team was beaten by better opposition, but instead bring out a long list of excuses, blaming the referee, the weather, injuries, altitude, the TMO … in fact, anything other than admitting that the opposing team playing good rugby had something to do with the result. I’m not just talking about this Lions tour, the same thing happened during the six nations and the last world cup. (There are still people claiming that Mark Cueto scored a try in the WC final, which apparently should have been worth 12 points). No ammount of logic will dissuad them from their views, so our best bet is just to keep on winning and ignore them. It doesn’t matter how well we play, they’ll still find an excuse to claim they were robbed.
29 Jun 2009, 17:14 pm
#136 Boksarenumber1:
this is the guy who almost singlehandedly carried the flag for the boks under jw
remember names like the “incredible schalk” etc etc etc??
things said like schalk could walk on water etc etc etc??
no wonder pdv doesnt give a damn what most so-called supporters and the media think of him,
cause he knows that most of you are just fickle
one day anti-jake,
the next he’s a demi god!!
29 Jun 2009, 17:14 pm
I say let Snor stay as coach. As long as the Boks are winning, Dickie & Gary are coaching & Smit is captaining we can handle Snor’s appreciation for live press conferences.
29 Jun 2009, 17:14 pm
I like it when the Boks hurt people good, but the eyes are off limits like the genitals. Rather do a Bakkies. Schalk is lucky to get a miniscule 8 weeks. He should miss the tri nations 2010.
29 Jun 2009, 17:16 pm
#125 St.Petersburgbok:
One-eyed delusional angry Bokke provides proof positive of the one-eyed delusional angry Bokke.
The thing speaks for itself. Case closed.
No one from outside of South Africa thought it possible that so many later day Corne Kriges still existed, let alone appear to be representative of the mainstream Bokke supporter. This revelation has shocked the rest of the rugby world. Still, on the plus side, the rest of the rugby fraternity look forward to future Bokke players punching out their team mates and trying to blame it on the opposition (al la Corne Krige on Andre Pretorious) and laughably, given his own, and his teams well documented propensity for mindless violence, calling Martin Johnson the dirtiest captain in world rugby. The Hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is still staggering but nonetheless appears from posters here like yourself, your national coach and players, appear to be representative of Bokke’s and their supporters.
You must be proud.
29 Jun 2009, 17:17 pm
#140 bokfan1:
Whether he is really that bad or is doing it deliberately is immaterial now.
What is important is that he has established himself as an eccentric character. So that creates room to move in.
So if asked: what strategy will the Boks employ this Saturday?
He can say: you know Im reminded of the David and Goliath or whatever; the only thing that journos are then left to do is to insult him which they’ve done from the beginning anyway.
Let them scoop up a few crumbs here and there, but they must not be allowed to know what the Boks are really thinking.
29 Jun 2009, 17:17 pm
#139 superbowljoel:
Yeah me too!! Jake’s book was like an ‘Agter Elke Man’ episode.
I hope the team looks like this, this weekend.
15.) Frans Steyn
14.) JP Pietersen
13.) Jacque Fourie
12.) Jean de Villiers
11.) Bryan Habana
10.) Morne Steyn
9.) Ricky January
8.) Pierre Spies
7.) Juan Smith
6.) Heinrich Brussouw
5.) Victor Matfield
4.) Danie Rossouw
3.) Jannie Du Plessis
2.) John Smit
1.) Beast Mtawaria
16.) Bismarck Du Pleassis
17.) Guthro Steenkamp
18.) Johann Muller
19.) Ryan Kankowski
20.) Ruan Pienaar
21.) Wynand Olivier
22.) Zane Kirchner
29 Jun 2009, 17:20 pm
The fact that PDV is actually supported by some indicates how ludicrously far gone this topic is to even try to debate…
29 Jun 2009, 17:20 pm
#148 Sir_Charles_Napier: Calm down you’re going to hurt yourself.
Jeez mate there was 1 incident from Burger and he has been punished for it.
The Lions all got away with their transgressions! If I was you I would keep VERY quiet and be thankful.
29 Jun 2009, 17:20 pm
#147 BlueBlood:
Agreed.
29 Jun 2009, 17:22 pm
#127 Brentie1: Taking a World Champion team and keeping them on the winning path is not as easy as it might sound, especially when playing the Lions. You don’t have to take my word for it, just ask Carel du Plessis.
Many people seem to think that coaching a winning test team is the easiest thing in the world. Strange how previous Bok coaches always struggled so much then.
OK, so what has PdV done for the Boks so far?
- Convinced a number of top players to abandon their European contracts and come back to SA
- Brought a new more well rounded attacking approach to the Springbok game allowing us to dominate teams like we weren’t able to do before. This lead to record breaking thrashings of the Poms and Aussies.
- For once we lived up to the hype of the NH tour. We always expect to dominate, but somehow we never do. JW never had an undefeated end of year tour and neither did any coach all the way back to Mallet.
- He did the hard bit in the 3N by beating NZ at home, but then stumbled on the home stretch. By comparison JW never had a single away win in four 3N tournaments. Even when he won in 2004 he only won by winning our home tests.
The two home losses where a big blow and completely unacceptable, but apart from them PdV has done miles better than any recent coach.
29 Jun 2009, 17:23 pm
#120 Sheriff:
Um, wasnt he talking to the International Press ? Or was that the Internal-ational Press.
#126 ashley:
WTF are you talking about ?!
Is PdV making a di*k of himself or not ? He is wrong about Burger. For starters.
#136 Boksarenumber1:
Dont worry. Sheriff is dealing with it all Internally.
29 Jun 2009, 17:23 pm
#152 bokfan1:
Charlie’s problem is that he was one of those who really, really, really thought they had the game wrapped up!
He is hurting big time today.
So if they have no luck then the go who tries to hit them in a bar will NOT miss, hahahahahahahahahaha
29 Jun 2009, 17:24 pm
#149 Sheriff:
thanks for today, sheriff.
i wouldve had difficulty surviving today without you on here!!
thanks bru
enjoy the evening
29 Jun 2009, 17:25 pm
#155 BlackPanther:
i’m talking about your head coach blaming his players for the wc loss
in
order to keep his job!!
we dont do that here!!
29 Jun 2009, 17:26 pm
#154 siener:
The fact that he convinced Bakkies Botha, Victor Matfield, John Smit and Schalk Burger not to take offers in Europe, means through all the oddball babber, he actually has a vision.
29 Jun 2009, 17:27 pm
#145 ashley:
Schalke has had his day, there is a new kid in town Brussow
and he is way better than Schalk, any clown can grasp that
29 Jun 2009, 17:27 pm
#152 bokfan1:
Is not the point that the good sir Knight is perhaps putting forth is that if Burger had, duly, received his RC then the Boks would not have got within cooee of Victory ?
So, in these circumstances it might be best to acknowledge that and accept some good fortunte after what was one of the Greatest Test matches ever ?
It was certainly more of a worthy contest than the RWC Final, which was turgid as a spectacle compared.
Two stunning Tests, in fact.
29 Jun 2009, 17:28 pm
#155 BlackPanther:
I think it actually hurts more when a team wins and they have a coach that dont seem to be able to string a few coherent sentences together.
I know you’ve seen the difference since he has come on board with the Boks’approach. Now it was a bit radical at first but the team has bought into it and can now vary their game.
They can attack relentlessly if needed or play conservatively if needed.
Every Kiwi would have seen this. They are used to Boks that cannot attack so they would have seen the execution and prob secretly impressed.
29 Jun 2009, 17:28 pm
#48 Sheriff: you’re on fire today sheriff, i admire your courage…
Go pdv!! Sock it to them! Last week when schalk was declared fit, if you’d keft him on the bench or out of your match 22. You would’ve been called all sort of names & insinuations would’ve been made about how out of your depth you are.
But what did you do?, you selected schalk – a player who has been hondk@k the whole season – we all know what happened @ loftus on saturday! Now come monday, the mark keohane’s of this world & their lackey typists are willing to sacrifice their beloved schalla infront of the british media hordes just to put the shanks in on you.
now you’re an “embarrasment” for standing up for the character of the same schalk that they profess to love, the same one with the “aura” & “presence”, the one “who has never dissapointed the green jersey ever in his entire career”, the same one jake white & his praise singer craig ray hailed as “the most talented player i’ve ever coached”
I wonder if they would’ve been comfortable with you getting up there & saying
“yes schalk is a doos for eye gouging blah blah blah”
I wonder if any of these hallowed british & irish journalists congratulated you for clinching the series?
One also wonders if big-eared “dumbo” mcgeechan had to field questions about sheridan or o’driscoll’s unsportsman-like behaviour?
Go pdv!! Even joe kinnear @ newcastle told those pom hack where to get off, he called all of them “c*nts!!” ha ha ha
29 Jun 2009, 17:29 pm
Johan Muller has already been called up. Stegman is injured
29 Jun 2009, 17:29 pm
#157 ashley:
Same there mate!
We have to take a stand for what is right!
29 Jun 2009, 17:29 pm
#149 Sheriff: Its so brilliant!
#156 Sheriff: Ja I think you are right. Feeling the pain, shame poor things.
29 Jun 2009, 17:30 pm
Lets view this from a different perspective – What did the UK jouro’s expect to hear from PDV? With his (doff) answers they have been stumped cold & probably don’t know how to react. For us Saffers, we know how to take PDV’s interviews with a pot (not a pinch) of salt, so its not all that difficult to lees tussen die tande, ermm lyne waneer hy praat.
29 Jun 2009, 17:30 pm
#163 Transformation: Very well said, and very accurately said!
29 Jun 2009, 17:30 pm
#151 Skabenga: The fact that there is so much more ink being spilled writing personal attacks on PdV compared to anything to do with rugby in a week following a historic series win over the B&I Lions indicates how ludicrously futile it is for PdV to even try and win over the media and a certain sector of the public over to his side.
Last year: No matter who he is, if he wins we will support him
This year: We don’t care whether he’s winning, he’s still and a-hole that know nothing about rugby.
29 Jun 2009, 17:31 pm
Wouldn’t it be so much fun to be a fly on the wall in a meeting between Dan Quayle, George Bush, Peter de Villiers, Yogi Berra and Samuel Goldwyn? Oddly enough, I think they would understand one another perfectly!
Peter de Villiers
“If you want to run with the big dogs you’ve got to lift a leg.”
“I know dancing is also a contact sport, but rugby is far from dancing.
“Later in the week I might pull a rat out of the hat.”
President George Bush
“I’m looking forward to a good night’s sleep on the soil of a friend.” (On visiting Denmark)
“There’s a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, ‘I don’t want you to let me down again.”
“They misunderestimated me.”
Vice President Dan Quayle
“If we don’t succeed, we run the risk of failure.”
“What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.”
Yogi Berra
“Never answer an anonymous letter.”
“Ninety percent of this game is mental, and the other half is physical.”
Samuel Goldwyn
“Every director bites the hand that lays the golden egg.”
“Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.”
29 Jun 2009, 17:32 pm
#148 Sir_Charles_Napier:
oh,please…cry me a fcking river.
Krige was a **** player as was strauli a **** coach as is devilliers a **** coach.
am I condoning Burger? No, he fouled and got what he deserved. Case closed.
how on earth this entitles you to some sort of moral high ground….I and millions of others have no idea.
And yet you make no mention withregards to O’Driscolls dirty play all afternoon? Possibly because he is some sort of hero to you?
would it not be better to concern yourself with your own sides transgressors seeing how you are being so self rightious withregards to the type of rugby everyone in the world wants to see played?
And am I proud?
you fcking bet your bottom dollar I am.
11 points down with 17 minutes to play.Outnumbered at our own stadium, with a moron as a coach, a quota allocation with our side and a blatantly incompetant SARU to boot.
who is your fcking daddy.
tobad the British isles don’t have players of that sort of metal.The lions might actually just manage to win a game.
29 Jun 2009, 17:32 pm
#148 Sir_Charles_Napier:
please, stop with the nonsense, corne krige was 10 years ago.
Burger is not corne krige, stop talking **** man.
What about Dalalaglio in the 2003 RWC on Thinus delport?
Is it not amusing that no-one even remembers this?
Burger has been cited and banned, what more do you want?
Would you prefer that we somehow acknowledge the Lions would have won against 14-men.
What coach in union history has ever nailed one of his own players?
You lot are a bunch or poor losers and sour whingers, nothing more nothing less.
29 Jun 2009, 17:33 pm
Kak article this. Like Sherrif says 2-0…
29 Jun 2009, 17:36 pm
Why so quick to make a ‘disgraceful De Villiers’ article? I didn’t see PDV gouge anybody, I did just see him deliver a Lions series to the people of South Africa.
Where’s the ‘disgraceful Burger’ article?
29 Jun 2009, 17:36 pm
I would love for PDivie to come out next week and when they ask him if he thinks Brussouw should always have been picked, I hope he replies, “Well sometimes when you have kak opponents, you can pick anybody. I wanted to pick Kirchner at 8th man but thought that question to be silly.”
29 Jun 2009, 17:36 pm
32 seconds into the game and burger has his fingers
in some ones eyes, i think he is on the same
medication as the coach
29 Jun 2009, 17:36 pm
#158 ashley:
Thats the same Head Coach who was awarded a prestigious International Fair Play Award, by the French of all people, for the way he held his decorum and dignity at the RWC:-
” Henry has won the award for his actions after the quarterfinal when he went straight to the French dressing room to congratulate the winners. He did not publicly criticise the performance of match English referee Wayne Barnes, who missed a forward pass in the lead-up to the match-winning try, and neglected to penalise the French during the entire second half. CIFP general secretary Jean Durry said Henry had behaved “with great dignity and an exemplary sense of fair play” after the narrow defeat. For a rugby country such as New Zealand, one can only imagine how painful this defeat must have been.” Durry said Henry’s “very simple gesture” served as an excellent example to other sports. “In the context of today’s professional sport, Henry’s dignity in defeat was a magnificent example of sportsmanship.” Henry said the award was a huge honour for himself and New Zealand rugby. “It was by no means an easy thing to do after losing to France, because it killed four years of a dream. But we just had to take it on the chin and act with some dignity.”
Lets see how many Fair Play Awards come Mr de Villiers way throughout his career, shall we ?
29 Jun 2009, 17:36 pm
#161 BlackPanther: 2 absolutely nerve-wracking, edge-of-the-seat, dramatic tests! fans couldnt ask for more excitement and tensions!
Perhaps that is charlie’s point, and we’ll never know that outcome.
The Lions dodged a few yellows themselves – so it might’ve been 14 Boks vs 13 Lions?
Toby Flood should’ve been sent off in the World Cup Final, for example, but he wasnt
29 Jun 2009, 17:36 pm
#163 Transformation:
Mate, it’s not about admiration; it’s just about taking a stand for what is right.
Many times I’ve apologised, but we have a responsibility to be fair when debating. Any person can come on here and correct me. I am big enough to concede when wrong.
I’ve taken the principled stand that PdV must be criticised on his rugby and not his person. If I feel/believe that the debate is sliding then I will turn up the heat to try and restore the balance.
I am legitimate. I did the same for the White coach; it’s all there in the archives.
29 Jun 2009, 17:37 pm
Take it easy fellas, will sweep later …
29 Jun 2009, 17:37 pm
#174 Big Hit:
that is more to the point
29 Jun 2009, 17:38 pm
#169 siener:
That is exactly the kind of passive attitude that will cost us the next RWC. PdV has used controversy throughout his term to deflect from the fact that he cannot coach at this level and is hopelessly out of his depth. It is an open secret that the senior Boks are running the show. Look at the series win it has been down to individual brilliant with players like Habs, beast, Matfield, FdP and JF providing game breaking moments that just about buried the Lions. Our defence hasn’t been this porous in 5 years(!) Our attack, bar the occassional individual piece of brilliance has been lucklustre. PdV is a national disgrace and should be sacked immediately, he has absolutely no understanding of the responsibility of his role. That 75% that his cheerleaders brag about is down solely to the players being exceptional rather than him having anything at all to do with a Bok victory. Just imagine if our players were being coached by Robbie Deans…..Sigh.
29 Jun 2009, 17:38 pm
#144 rich1: it’s inherent in their culture to whinge and whine and not accept defeat gracefully. Sour losers.
29 Jun 2009, 17:40 pm
#165 Sheriff: i want you to know i admire your stance and the way you posted today.
29 Jun 2009, 17:40 pm
#85 Sir_Charles_Napier: cry me a river you loser.
what a load of drivel. you should be ashamed of yourself.
lmao you are pathetic.
2-0.
29 Jun 2009, 17:41 pm
#171 St.Petersburgbok:
best post of the day imho!!!
to add my little bit, let me just say that about the most idiotic thing Piet Snor has done the last two weeks was play the like of Jean, Adi, Schalk, Ruan and Ricky, all of them badly out of form and in the original 28 mostly due to last year and 07′s WC.
He should have played from the start his in-form Boks, and Wynand, Jacque, Brussow and then new players Morne and either kockett or Vermaak would have served him much more.
The stance from Keo / Vrede on Snor’s remarks are understandable from a journo’s viewpoint. From the public & after the whinging lashback, i actually have a serious big smile on my face reading this article.
And Charles napier (sir my friggin arse) keep on crying the river mate, remember Snor can speak your language better than you can try do speak his language. Vrede, that probably goes for you and Keo as well…. not that i am in the habbit of slagging you guys off.
Just keep a lid on it for the sake of: WE WON THE SERIES!!!
29 Jun 2009, 17:41 pm
#162 Sheriff:
Actually, Ive praised the Boks performance and style since PdV came along. Ive repeatedly said here that the style the Boks played at Carisbrook was unlike what Id seen the Boks ever play, and the compliment was all meant for PdV and his desire to make the Boks more attacking, selecting Jacobs etc. And therefore more dangerous.
So on the rugby side he’s doing well in my books. He has inherited an extrememly strong settled squad however.
Its just that when he opens his mouth, he makes himself look like an idiot.
29 Jun 2009, 17:42 pm
#43 Sir_Charles_Napier:
The vast majority?
How do you figure that?
I like Schalk but banned he must me.
As for PdV – Silence would have been a better alternative.
I reckon the vast majority condemn Burger.
And the same vast majority dont like PdVs comments
For you to generalise about South Africans smacks of a nationalistic dislike for SAns
29 Jun 2009, 17:42 pm
Peter is a racist ****** who is unable to select the
best Bok team, only fate intervened otherwise the Boks
would have lost the 2nd test.
If he had his way januarie would be playing.
29 Jun 2009, 17:42 pm
#171 St.Petersburgbok: ha ha ha…well said
29 Jun 2009, 17:42 pm
“Despite the series victory, there is a widely held view that the Springboks beat the Lions despite of their coach and not because of him.”
Yet- had we lost the series palukas like Ryan Vrede would most certainly have blamed it on the coach. No wonder PdV has so little respect for you journalists.
And Ryan – how did our “premier flyhalf” do on Saturday ?
29 Jun 2009, 17:43 pm
I don’t know if Burger on his ace were responsible for all the points scored against us or half. In the first half there were one try, two penalties and a drop kick and the second half three penalties.
Penalty 1: Ok this was Burger’s fault, but what is in a good old eye gouge between friends to strengthen their bond now? And besides long distance relationships never work
The try: Well it has to 50/50 between Burger for not being there and Habana coming of his line and not giving the cover defence a chance to handle the overlap.
Penalty 2: For the word i cannot remember what happened here and who is responsible
The drop: Well whose fault is this other than…well Stephan Jones i guess
Penalty 3: John Smit here is your points for going offside at the ruck
Penalty 4: Burger again for going just plain offside
Penalty 5: Bekker, hardly a high tackle but still a high tackle i guess
PDV is not that bad, myself find him quite amusing. Then again how many of us have a 70% coaching record? In fact i don’t think i have ever played in a team that had a 70% winning record maybe a season but not a career at one team. And if you look at history only 60% of all All Black coaches and Nick, Kitch and i reckon Danie Craven from SA, Mcqueen and one or two other Aus coaches in fact Deans currently as well, with Gatland and Woodward how many coaches have a 70% record?
I say if we win the trinations he is OK with me!! And besides well done on protecting Burger now i just want you to stand up for Pienaar as well. We don’t play a Jake White rugby anymore i mean look we are just as unpredictable as PDV….Yeah i know that is not always good but then again the opposition never know when we are really going to pitch up. I don’t mind getting absurdly mad ones or twice for loosing in a low scoring game as long as i have the bragging rights of a good old hiding handed out by the boys every now and then.
29 Jun 2009, 17:44 pm
#174 Big Hit:
The Brits got f*cked up
29 Jun 2009, 17:45 pm
#178 bokfan1:
But isnt there a massive difference between ‘dodged a few Yellows’ and ‘dodged a certain Red’ ?
29 Jun 2009, 17:46 pm
#179 Sheriff:
but surely a bloke who aplies for the job of springbok rugby coach, knows he will be in the public eye?
you must realize that you will need to be able to talk in public coherently?
twakkie is a decidedly average coach who could make his life a lot easier if he let other members of his management do the talking.Unfortunately he does not even come across as a smart enough person to keep his mouth shut and have his eyes open and learn.
29 Jun 2009, 17:47 pm
154. siener
You’re entitled you opinion,but don’t sound very convincing.
The overseas Boks were always available for selection.
The Northern hemisphere rugby has taken step backwards
due to the influx of Southern Hemisphere players.
The acid test is the Tri-Nations.Look at the world rankings
and see that it is dominated by Southern Hemisphere teams.
This is also born out by the fact that the RWC-cup is dominated by Southern Hemisphere teams.
A coach is only as good as the players he has at his disposal
and at the moment there is a rich picking.There are many
loose forward,props and Locks not included that would
be an asset to many Northern Hemisphere teams.
Good players don’t rely on coaches.They make a plan on
the field by playing the situation as it is.
PDV nearly let it slip and due to timely appearance of Brussow
the second test was rescued and the first won because of
the mere fact that the BIL-winger carried the ball under
the wrong arm.
You are trying to defend the indefensible,just as Markgraaf
became an embarrassment,so is PDV.
29 Jun 2009, 17:48 pm
#56 Sheriff: Well said Sheriff.
29 Jun 2009, 17:49 pm
#148 Sir_Charles_Napier: haha, who gives a toss what you think man?
your gouger got left at home didnt he?
answer me one question please:
is sheridan ***?
29 Jun 2009, 17:50 pm
People arguing that debate should be sidelined because we won the series miss the point. Yes we won but there are legitimate questions that need to asked as to exactly how much Pdv contributed to that success. Putting that to one side for a moment think about his behaviour as a completely isolated issue. he has embaressed the Boks, demeaned his own players as well as the B&I Lions’ players, he continues to use race to shape his debates on his own players, defends a brutal act of violence and badly dents the good public image of the Boks overseas thereby lessening its emotional and financial value. He is a spokesperson for the entire country and he rants on about race and arrogantly dismisses even the most mildly negative comments about himself. He is not qualified for the job, contributes very little in terms of strategy and does not get the best out of the amazing resources at his disposal. The fact of the matter is that it is the players who have made his record look good as they have professional pride and believe in the ethos of the jersey. Pdv needs to be sacked as soon as possible so that we may begin to build towards our RWC defence. The guy is a joke.
29 Jun 2009, 17:50 pm
#182 Thameside Bok fan: This “open secret” that everyone is talking about – I’ve never heard anything like that from any remotely credible source. It seems to be a clear cut case of people simply making up stories out of thin air and repeating it until it starts sounding true.
All reports from people who are actually on the inside are about what good one-on-one relationships PdV has with all his players and the amount of personal attention he gives to each one.
Also remember that the only reason many of those senior players are still part of the Bok setup at all is because PdV personally convinced them not to pursue careers in Europe. Compare that to the predicament the AB’s find themselves in.
But please, don’t let the facts get in the way of your preconceived ideas. If the Boks win it’s because of the players and if they lose it’s PdV’s fault.
29 Jun 2009, 17:51 pm
I can’t believe how many people are accepting what PDV says week in and week out.The boks are winning and that’s great, and credits to the coaches. but that doesn’t give him the right to talk ****.He is a public figure and should act with more sensitivity towards the image of this country.
I am sure a lot of the blacks in this country gets prejudicial treatments from white people – yes Xhosakid, but that doesn’t justify January’s selection.This is where PDV is so good, he simply come up with a racist line and diverts attention to his selection blunder. Honestly people, January, at this point in time, whether white or black, is a not good enough to play for the boks.
29 Jun 2009, 17:51 pm
#194 BlackPanther: the poms are winging that they didn’t have a chance to play 14 men, how pathetic is that.
29 Jun 2009, 17:51 pm
im surprised those british idiots who dressed as turn coats
are still alive
29 Jun 2009, 17:53 pm
All I know is that Brussow will start. That I am happy about for this Week.
Pleased to see Muller given a chance too.
29 Jun 2009, 17:53 pm
#194 BlackPanther: what exactly are you wanting to say blackpanther?
spit it out please.
if its “congratulations” then “thanks”
if not, make it sharpish pal. we dont have all day for kiwis to take an opportunity to deflect attention away from their “tee hee) “tight fives” performance against 12th ranked ITALY.
29 Jun 2009, 17:54 pm
#182 Thameside Bok fan: What the hell are you on about, we scored two tries from set play, the last time we scored a notable try from set play was against New Zealand, Slapchips scored after being set up Honiball.
Under White, when did our attack ever score from set play?
29 Jun 2009, 17:54 pm
#203 Boksarenumber1: they are desperately trying to cling on to the fallen “empire” – they have to realize the England is fkd, the ship is sinking.
29 Jun 2009, 17:54 pm
Sorry, I’m reposting this, because it was the last item on the previous page and would have gotten lost.
#182 Thameside Bok fan: This “open secret” that everyone is talking about – I’ve never heard anything like that from any remotely credible source. It seems to be a clear cut case of people simply making up stories out of thin air and repeating it until it starts sounding true.
All reports from people who are actually on the inside are about what good one-on-one relationships PdV has with all his players and the amount of personal attention he gives to each one.
Also remember that the only reason many of those senior players are still part of the Bok setup at all is because PdV personally convinced them not to pursue careers in Europe. Compare that to the predicament the AB’s find themselves in.
But please, don’t let the facts get in the way of your preconceived ideas. If the Boks win it’s because of the players and if they lose it’s PdV’s fault.
29 Jun 2009, 17:55 pm
#204 Puma: I’d have chosen Muller over Bekker to start with
29 Jun 2009, 17:55 pm
#44 Isigidi: Well said.
29 Jun 2009, 17:56 pm
#209 byoboy: Yes I would have too. Pleased he will get a chance now. Lions tour only comes around every 12 years.
29 Jun 2009, 17:57 pm
there’s no denying that PDV has done good things with the boks. and I don’t think he’s a bad coach. but he should quit using the racial lines.
29 Jun 2009, 17:57 pm
#209 byoboy: Been out all day so have no idea what is happening with selections. Muller in I see for Bekker, Brussow should be in for Burger who will be in for Bakkies?
29 Jun 2009, 17:58 pm
#209 byoboy:
Bekker is in another class to Muller
29 Jun 2009, 17:58 pm
I have had my go at PdV for some of his comments, but in the interests of balanced journalism how about an article on the disgraceful bias of the UK press (and much of the Lions management)
- Absolutely NO credit to SA for winning the series
- Non stop references to the Boks being thugs yet no mention of plenty of the Lions off the ball antics – I mean o’Driscoll is complimented on his no arms charge on Rossouw
- Gatland, Phillips, Edwards, Heaslip etc etc all whinging like babies, utter sour grapes!
2 tests played & 2 tests lost yet you wouldn’t believe by the hero worshop being banded around the UK press. Very poor losers, surprising as you think they’d be used to it
29 Jun 2009, 17:58 pm
Just a question guys. What would the repsonse have been from the public regarding Schalks offence if we didn’t have Brussouw as a back up and went on to lose the game?
I know its only conjecture but would people have come out and defended him then?
29 Jun 2009, 17:59 pm
I like PdV. His team, coached and organised by him has beaten the BI Lions 2-0. 3-0 is a possibility. He has made mistakes and has admitted them. Good on you Sir for sticking it to biased sports “journalists” with their exaggerated sense of importance and entitlement. As journalists they are the poor cousins, dregs, in terms of intellectualism and originality. The majority, at least in SA, have not played or coached rugby to a significant level. Comparing the quality of sports journalism and reporting of the Lions tour to the quality of the tests and the wins achieved by PdV and his players, I have a great sense of which is better. I would choose PdV and his colourful statements over the “insightful” emotive commentary made by some of these journalists anyday. Its a pity no ex-Bok players are journalists like Ackford, Barnes, Greenwood, Dallaglio and now Carling. Read their articles – they write with shades of experience from the coalface of test matches and World Cups.
29 Jun 2009, 17:59 pm
#194 BlackPanther: When the incident happened it wasnt seen as a certain red – according to the conversation between touch judge and ref.
So who knows, its all conjecture. The game unfolded like it did.
Despite being the rabid patriotic Saffa you know me to be BP, I even thought the ref’ penalty against O’Gara was a bad call. Im not blind to the errors on both sides, for me the central issue is how cr@p the ref was.
Someone else posted if the ref was good and consistent then Burger would’ve got a red, BOD a yellow, Sheridan a yellow, Bakkies a yellow, Rees a yellow.
Its like Brad Thorne should’ve got a red card for dumping Smit last year, but he didnt. The Boks didnt carry on moaning about it after the close defeat.
29 Jun 2009, 17:59 pm
and stop contradicting himself in public
29 Jun 2009, 18:00 pm
so PDivvy takes us to a series win over the BIL’s and NOT ONE word of congratulations emanates from the NH?
not one journalist says “well done”
not one Lions player says “well done”
not one member of the lions management says “well done”.
well *** all of them.
2-0. thank you PDivvy for finally removing the awful pain of kings park 1997.
now please clean sweep them but dont let our guys hurt too many more of them, the doctors are on strike and they apparently have some kind of regional competition to play sometime soon.
29 Jun 2009, 18:01 pm
Watching 30,000 Brit supporters go home defeated
was almost as good as the Boks win.
The Bokke won in spite of PdV
29 Jun 2009, 18:01 pm
#213 Puma: dono boet, haven’t read anything about that yet. Danie has concussion so he might not make it either.
29 Jun 2009, 18:02 pm
okay 2 – 0. Time to experiment …
A great team for Saterday would be :
Forwards :
Beast
Chilliboy
Steenkamp
Matfield (vcpt)
Lobberts
Brussouw
Wayne van Heerden
Spies / Sean Plaatjies (Spies far to overrated, but one should keep the Bulls supporters happy)
Backs :
heini adams
Earl Rose (cpt)
Morgan Newman
AD Jacobs (better than Danie Gerber)
habana
Jp P
Zane Kirchner
Could be record score, nice running Boland rugby – just like PdV likes it … give him a chance to coach players he likes and the kinda rugby het LOVES ….. Boks 53 – Lions 18.
29 Jun 2009, 18:02 pm
#215 Rugby-1: Very Well said!!!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:02 pm
#214 Boksarenumber1: ja a class below..ha ha
29 Jun 2009, 18:03 pm
Just moving away from the topic being discussed, I thought FDUP was outstanding on Sat not enough has been said about his contribution, he was everywhere !!! he is such a vital cog……
I have been watchimg rugby for many years….Matfield is the greatest exponent of lineout play I have ever seen…..so much for O’connel bossing him….what do you say now Mr Mcbride ??
29 Jun 2009, 18:03 pm
One thing about PDV is that he has empowered the players to think for themselves on the field and allowed them to go out and attack.My only concern is that this still requires a good selection policy i.e. Brussouw instead of Schalk for instance and something of a game plan to take to your opponents.
29 Jun 2009, 18:04 pm
I wonder what the sponsors think …… are they happy with being indirectly associated with Piet Pompies?
29 Jun 2009, 18:04 pm
#223 Earl_Rose_k@kkest_Bok_EVER: ha ha…that team is a classic especially the captain touch
29 Jun 2009, 18:04 pm
#216 bananaboy:
Schalke was pathetic 3 tackles in the game?
and dont forget Brussow was not brought on as
a substitute at first. Destiny had to help the Boks
yet again. Peter is an idiot
29 Jun 2009, 18:04 pm
#205 rangerman: hehehehe nicely put
29 Jun 2009, 18:04 pm
#220 rangerman: hahaha. Your last paragraph
I know PdV talks a lot of damn nonsense sometimes and really gets to me. Here I have to give him credit. As a coach a player would expect the coach to stand by him. He probably has spoken to Burger in quiet somewhere else how disappointed he felt about he done. Good on PdV for standing up for Burger.
29 Jun 2009, 18:04 pm
#208 siener:
I think you’ll find when most of the senior Boks hang up their boots (which isn’t that far away) the details will emerge. I am looking forward to seeing what defence the Pdv cheerleaders come up with then. He did NOT convince them to return they wanted to be part of a Lions series and they realised that there was a lot more that they could still achieve with the Boks. In fact Div threatened them saying he would never pick any overseas based players. I don’t understand how proud South Africans can defend this man who continues to cause our country acute embaressment!
29 Jun 2009, 18:05 pm
#213 Puma:
Howdy Puma,
Have a small ‘window’ as the line is relatively free. Hope you have enjoyed the rugga thus far. Two closely contested games thus far. Pity it isn’t 1:1 to set us up for a grand finale.
I hope they start with WO and JF at centre, although I’d like to give Adi a second chance at #13 with no JdV present – he played significantly different with JF!
Keep MS at #10 for the Wanderer’s game too. Highveld conditions et al.
Would put Kanko in for Spies at #8 as the rush defence has nullified Spies.
Not sure about JM though. I don’t rate him that highly.
Your esteemed comments?
29 Jun 2009, 18:06 pm
Standing up for Schalla is just ****. And him saying there was no intent is just a load of Bull.
But C’mon, having a coach giving the British press **** is priceless. If he can just stop with the race card, and we keep on winning, I have no complaints.
I still think we’ll get the wooden spoon once again this year.
29 Jun 2009, 18:06 pm
#226 justrugby: I agree 100% FduP was brilliant , they knew he would be that’s why they had attempted to take him out in the first test. And there was no bossing of Matfield anywhere.
29 Jun 2009, 18:08 pm
I just re-read the article. The worst of the British media could not have done a worse hatchet job on PdV.
Do yourself a favour: Just read PdV’s direct quotes from the media conference and then read Ryan’s personal attacks and tell me they are justified.
Ryan, you are truly a disgrace to your profession and to South Africa.
Keo, can you please employ at least one writer who is not an out and out PdV hater?
29 Jun 2009, 18:08 pm
#174 Big Hit: good post big hit!
29 Jun 2009, 18:08 pm
#232 Puma: haha, ja you have to credit the man for facing down the world most rabid press corps just like the pack of mongrels they really are.
lmao they are pathetic.
the Tests themselves? IMO the most fantastic rugby i have seen in years. real test rugby!
29 Jun 2009, 18:08 pm
Brussow and Jacque Fourie would make any world team.
Steyn is by far the best fly half in SA.
All were on the ******* bench.
29 Jun 2009, 18:09 pm
#220 rangerman: I can understand the British press, what about our own journalist?, surely the heading here should have been ” Disgraceful Burger” or “disgraceful foreign media” but NO!!!! PDV cant even enjoy a series win.
When we win the Trinations, it will be because NZ is kak, watch this space
29 Jun 2009, 18:11 pm
#237 siener: they all have the same agenda.
PDivvy probably told them all to get fukked and they had flashbacks to when the 1st team rugby players at school made them give up their seat next to the pretty girl.
the agenda at least is now crystal for me.
imagine what would have happened if we had lost the game or the series??????????/
29 Jun 2009, 18:11 pm
the hatred shown by ome bloggers towards PDV and the Brits is actually scary!!
Imagine if the B Lions were up 2 nil??
FFS!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:12 pm
#237 siener:
Ryan is one of the best rugby writers currently writing for the web. He is sharp and knows his stuff. He’s hit the nail on the head with this article, it is high time that SA rugby and its sponsers got rid of Pdv before he ruins any semblance of credibility that Bok rugby has left. I feel for guys like Smit, FdP and Matfield who are true legends of the game, they don’t deserve to be lead by a guy with so little rugby nous.
29 Jun 2009, 18:13 pm
#240 XhosaKid: I agree with you – even if, on a personal level, you think PDiv comments are strange or whatever, as a SA journalist, writing for a SA rugby blog, you could acknowledge his victory and support him a little. Shocking.
Not long a go the knives were out for Jake White.
Now Keo has lunch with him.
And PDiv is the new enemy
29 Jun 2009, 18:14 pm
Dragons all,
Just had a call from a good friend. Don’t know how true it is, but appartently Dewald Potgieter has just received an SOS from PdV as well. Very deservedly.
29 Jun 2009, 18:14 pm
#243 Thameside Bok fan: who would you like to see appointed if PDV were to leave?
29 Jun 2009, 18:14 pm
#240 XhosaKid:
no when we win the 3N it will be because our players are superb and are doing an incredible job of winning rugby games while babysitting a “coach” who is so out of his depth at International level that he needs to make outlandish statements to the media to cover up his tactical naviety!
29 Jun 2009, 18:14 pm
#242 grant10:
Personally, I thought the journalists were worse.
29 Jun 2009, 18:14 pm
#245 bluruggaguru: best news all day….excellent!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:15 pm
#246 grant10:
Howzit Grant good to see you on again!
Do I have an unlimited budget and no restictions on who I can pick?
29 Jun 2009, 18:15 pm
#240 XhosaKid: how about “COACH COURAGEOUS” ffs!!!!!!!
we won, too bad, so sad for the lions. they came at us hard and took no quarter, neither did our lads.
but the whining is all one way at the moment. it truly is a bit sad.
then again, after the kiwis joined in (see: blackpanther, cane, hurricane, wakacrackhead) i realised that the rest of the rugby world is beginning to fear us.
and after seeing ITALY make Graham H say “****!” on sat, i look forward to playing them in the Republic
29 Jun 2009, 18:15 pm
the yournalists just keep on going into a war of words against an unarmed man in PdV. And its going to continue because he is too stubborn to keep quiet. Well done to the Boks. To the Brittish yournalists- you can get over the lions loss now and start making up excuses for Andy Murray not winning Wimbledon and the cricket team losing the ashes-cause its gonna happen like it or not. soar losers
29 Jun 2009, 18:16 pm
#248 Some Bloke: insanity reigns, mobs going beserk….
and this with the boks winning the Series…..
Its hilarious actually!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:17 pm
#243 Thameside Bok fan: Another post by you that complete wild speculation and totally devoid of any well supported statements.
You said: “It is an open secret that the senior Boks are running the show”
So you have ANY factual support for that statement or is it 100% prejudice?
29 Jun 2009, 18:17 pm
#251 rangerman: LOL
29 Jun 2009, 18:17 pm
Stodders,
on your email, for whats its worth, none of my posts are directed at you, they are directed at a specific pompous section of the british isles, often associated with the rugby crowd, that is very irritating.
29 Jun 2009, 18:19 pm
we a helleva nation…..nail the B Lions and crucify our coach for coming to the defence of the golden boy that 90% of bloggers wanted back at any cost …..
Crazy saffas i tell you!
29 Jun 2009, 18:20 pm
#242 grant10:
Well said Grant10. There’s little reality on this site.
Two great games but little respect from either side.
Reality is that ‘given the rub of the green’ it could be 2 nil to the BIL.
I shudder to think what would be said if this was the case.
29 Jun 2009, 18:20 pm
i wonder what Carol will make of all this venom and hatred ??
29 Jun 2009, 18:20 pm
Comments like Snor’s today represent all that his wrong with his appointment. He is arrogant, thinks God appointed him and that he can do no wrong. Sounds like he could run a small African country rather than a rugby team.
Hoksins, grow some balls and muzzle this mullet. I’m sure some of the players would gladly help.
29 Jun 2009, 18:21 pm
I’m a God-given talent. I am the best I can be. I know what I am and I don’t give a damn.
yes a god-given talent of stupidity.
29 Jun 2009, 18:21 pm
#171 St.Petersburgbok:
The worrying thing, is that you and the other morons just don’t get it.
For the avoidance of doubt the point at issue is the support on here, by the Bokke coach, and his fellow players, for the intentional use of illegal tactics. There is no doubt the Bokke’s intentional went after the lions with lots of off the ball stuff, that included the usual Bokke litany of biting, eye gouging etc.
The Point is that the only team in the world who now employ these underhand thuggish tactics are the Bokkes.
If there really is no depth to which you will not plunge to win, why not rid yourself of any pretence of playing rugby (one plays rugby when one plays to the rules of the game) and just make clear to any visiting rugby teams that you aren’t too interested in playing rugby but you would like a scrap, and to win at all costs and regardless of fairness and honour, so if the other team bring knives you will bring guns?
That strikes me as nearer the actual situation. People that say yes will know what to expect. It would also mean that other international players will be free to play the game of rugby free of the Bokkes and their usual cheap shots. A non-exclusive list of which would be being hit off the ball, bitten, and eye gouged.
Why not have a 15 man scrap with some Zulus, call it a test match and have done with it?
As it is, everyone knows, if they didn’t before, that the Bokke has reverted to type, and those actually want to play rugby should avoid them.
29 Jun 2009, 18:22 pm
242. Grant10 about half the bloggers on this article actually support PdV or at least grudgingly concede that his Bok side have won the Lions series. You should actually ask that question of the SA journalists, not just including the author of this article. From a bunch who have probably not played a minute of 1st class rugby – the emotive content definitely overwhelms the minimal insight of their articles.
29 Jun 2009, 18:22 pm
#244 Thameside Bok fan:
Well said.
Pdv is a quotas coach, he would have to kill someone
before he got fired.
29 Jun 2009, 18:22 pm
I thought reporters were supposed to be impartial and honest in their reporting. Guess not on this site or others like news24.com. Here’s a fuller transcript of what DeVilliers said, not the one sided hack-job Ryan has “reported” –
“If you know Schalk’s nature and character – if you know the man as I know him – he would never do this,” said de Villiers.
“He is more physical than any other rugby player in the world.
“To go to those kind of measures, he would never ever do it. And I don’t think he did it.
“I have watched the television footage and I am still convinced there is no way he went there on purpose. He never meant to go to anybody’s eye.
“Eye-gouging is something that we as a team, and especially me, will never condone. Along with biting, head-butting and spear-tackling – all those things that don’t belong in the game.
“I am against anything that is not in the spirit of the game. We have brilliant players in this country, and to try to prepare them for stuff that belongs in the bushveld is nonsense.
“If we want to eye-gouge any lions we would go into the bushveld and eye-gouge there.
“But we would never ever encourage anybody to be part of anything negative or bringing the game into disrepute.
“We want to promote the game among our youth. We want this game to be the biggest nation-building tool there ever can be.
“By encouraging stuff like that then we are fighting a lost cause. I would never, ever encourage it.”
“What we must understand here very, very clearly is that rugby is a contact sport – and so is dancing.
“There were so many incidents in that game (the second Test) that we could go and say we want to cite this guy for maliciously jumping into another guy’s face with his shoulder.
“Why don’t we do it? The reason we don’t do it is because this game will always be a game to us.
“If we are going to win games in boardrooms and in front of television cameras and in shops, we must say to ourselves, ‘Do we really respect this game that we really honour so much’?
“If it’s the case that we are, why don’t we all go to the nearest ballet shop, get some nice tutus and get some great dancing going on. No eye-gouging, no tackling, no nothing. Then enjoy.
“But in this game there will be collisions. There are no collisions in ballet.
“And the guy who wins the collisions hardest is the guy we always will select.”
De Villiers, who described Burger as “an honourable man,” denied he was ducking the issue over an incident that incensed Lions management and left Fitzgerald requiring treatment before he was able to continue.
“I am not ducking the issue,” he said. “I am working as part of a system.
“We are waiting until the (judicial officer’s) report so we can dissect the whole thing and come to you with an informed answer.
“Let me tell you, if you look at the footage properly and you know the man you are working with properly, then you can see why I said it is not a yellow card.”
“If I am the weakest link, then we are bloody strong!” he added.
“I didn’t know about the perception, and I do not even have time to think about it. I know myself that I am a God-given talent.
“I am the best ever that I can be, so whatever you think about me doesn’t bother me. I know what I am, and I don’t give a damn.
“We have waited 29 years for this great occasion (beating the Lions).
“I would love the Lions supporters to honour the fact we have won the hardest and best Test series I have seen in quite a while.
“I would love people to just stand up, take it on the chin and say ‘Well done for victory, well done for what you have achieved in the series and well done for winning’.
“Nobody has congratulated us up until now. Maybe they will do so after the third Test.”
Full article on http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyunion/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rugby/09/06/29/RUGBYU_South_Africa_Nightlead.html
29 Jun 2009, 18:22 pm
#258 Osama – bin OCO: boet i reckon i would of packed for Perth…LOL
My concern is how long is PDV gonna be able to handle the stress….?
Check his body language…he is not a happy man….defensive and touchy….
My heart goes out to him.
29 Jun 2009, 18:23 pm
#249 grant10: Agree! Couldn’t have happened to a nicer, more down to earth guy. I can’t wait to see a trio of him, Brussouw and Spies in action- the future.
29 Jun 2009, 18:23 pm
#260 goyougoodthing2: ha ha, I just imagine him as a gobby little dictator
29 Jun 2009, 18:24 pm
Keer hom om keesus!
Pieter die Bokwagter sure as hell aint BORING! What fun this guy is.
I don`t like what garbage he talks sometimes, but if that irritate the British sooooo much, hell go for it Pieter!
Screw the SourPusses.
That being said, i still think we can do much better than what Die Bokwagter dishes up.
29 Jun 2009, 18:24 pm
#263 Heavens Game: the arcticles are shocking….there are agendas here…no doubt…
29 Jun 2009, 18:25 pm
The reality of the situation is, I surmise, that the Boks are being set up for the 3N – the outcome of which will determine how good the Boks are (with the constraints imposed by PdV and his ANC allies).
Interesting times ahead.
29 Jun 2009, 18:26 pm
#267 bluruggaguru: sommer play that trio this saturday!!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:26 pm
“(with the constraints imposed by PdV and his ANC allies)”
Lol at last some sanity.
29 Jun 2009, 18:27 pm
#188 Biscuit:
My apologies. I stand corrected. I should have said the vast majority of bloggers on here.
29 Jun 2009, 18:28 pm
i really feel this “senior boks” bs should be laid to rest now people.
if any “senior boks” are in the team it is because PDivvy selects them.
If there is a reason JS is still captain its PDivvy.
Beast, Morne Steyn, adi, Bekker, Rossouw, these are all PDivvy selections.
etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.
senior boks se gat man. you cannot seriously believe that any more unless you are willing to surrender responsibility for performance to days when the senior boks feel like being in charge(53-8) and days they couldnt give a **** (19-0).
personally i think PDivvy is as fallible as every other coach we have every had (barring straueli, Carel Du Plessis, Markgraaf and Harry Viljoen to name a few of course) and will continue to be chuffed with his results and disregard his choice of breakfast cereal or preference for 2-ply.
29 Jun 2009, 18:28 pm
#271 grant10:
Grant old boy you have your own agendas hypocrite
29 Jun 2009, 18:29 pm
#237 siener: Bullocks!!!!
Don’t shoot the messenger.
He said what he said and that is it.
I personally think Oregon needs to have a chat to him and insist that he listens to his PR-team.
They can weave magic, just look what PR did for the most famous child molester of all time, the one who just pegged from a heart attack…..
29 Jun 2009, 18:29 pm
#276 Boksarenumber1: huh???
29 Jun 2009, 18:30 pm
#270 grant10: No doubt the agendas you speak of would entail hoping we get a coach of some merit next time round Grant.
29 Jun 2009, 18:31 pm
#247 Thameside Bok fan: for your information the only “Jake White bok” who has won the Trinations, is Habana, the other five i.e. John Smit, Bakkies, Matfield, Burger and JDV where from the “Raindeer” Straeuli.
Now question time, why did Jake White’s bok only win one Trinations in four attempts, if they are as superior and invicible as you suppose?, remember 49-0 ?
29 Jun 2009, 18:31 pm
#263 Heavens Game: I say give the guy a break- it’s the one job in the country I wouldn’t want for all the tea in China. I reckon Zuma has it easier than him. And in stead of being bridge builders between him and the fans the media sensationalize everything.
I reckon PdV should invest in a good spin doctor to help him with his comms with the media. They twist everything to suit their agendas.
29 Jun 2009, 18:32 pm
#275 rangerman: Agree
29 Jun 2009, 18:32 pm
#266 grant10:
As for PDiv, I think he gets what he deserves.
As for Carol, I think that she might be learning the complexities (read distrust) of the ‘Rainow Nation’.
Methinks the rainbow has been stirred enough to make it a dirty shade of gray!
I’m just waiting for the ‘Bricks in loaves of bread’ to make it surreal.
But suppose it’s changed now. Maybe ‘radioactive waste in the pap’ is the ‘up-to-date’ phraseology.
29 Jun 2009, 18:33 pm
well why not ask the Bok players what they think, once and for all and get this open secret out in the open.
29 Jun 2009, 18:33 pm
#262 Sir_Charles_Napier: ag blah blah blah.
are you premenstrual?
are you a man?
you truly sound like a 12 year old with your idealistic bs. grow a set of balls and maybe even another eyeball and then come back when you have gotten over losing a series only your one-eyed press ever thought you could win.
by all means avoid us if you cant win. your loss sunshine.
tired of you now. run along kortbroek.
29 Jun 2009, 18:33 pm
#279 goyougoodthing2: just call me 007!!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:35 pm
#283 Osama – bin OCO: LOL….Classic!! I did warn her of our complexities!
29 Jun 2009, 18:37 pm
#286 grant10: Does the Mountain Speak to YOU LOL.
Granty, the press may be offsides, but Snor doesn’t do himself any favours, on or off the field…
29 Jun 2009, 18:37 pm
#262 Sir_Charles_Napier:
“I would love the Lions supporters to honour the fact we have won the hardest and best Test series I have seen in quite a while.
“I would love people to just stand up, take it on the chin and say ‘Well done for victory, well done for what you have achieved in the series and well done for winning’.
“Nobody has congratulated us up until now. Maybe they will do so after the third Test.”
read it and weep you sour git. this is class talking whilst you lot have once again shown yourselves to be complete ponces.
i seriously hope you are in Ulster and not fouling our fair shores.
the rest of your countrymen and supporters were gracious and true ambassadors.
you however, are a right fool.
29 Jun 2009, 18:37 pm
Peter is an affirmative action coach chosen by the ANC.
29 Jun 2009, 18:38 pm
Just admit you were wrong and he was in the wrong so we can move on. Sheesh, Burger not even that interesting
29 Jun 2009, 18:38 pm
#257 grant10: Have you noticed how “The Schalkanators” have disappeared?
As I had wryly said on the Schalk issue, The Lord works in mysterious ways.
29 Jun 2009, 18:39 pm
The new Bok jersey is unbeaten….long may it last !!!!!!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:40 pm
#288 goyougoodthing2: thats a fact …..i dont like the ‘mechanic’stuff as bad as anyone else….racism is a sin in any guise and PDV must learn to temper the way he handles the press….
Point is he is winning….the backlash if he resigns will put our rugby back…..thats just the way it is.
29 Jun 2009, 18:41 pm
#293 justrugby: I say it’s too busy.
29 Jun 2009, 18:41 pm
#270. Grant10. You seem to be right about some sort of agenda. With the words of a wise man who once said “follow the money” or follow the strands of power or lack of. Why are SA journalists after PdV. UK journalists, will be pretty emotional after a close loss so they will focus on something negative wrt the Boks in solidarity with a bitterly disappointed Lions team. This will die down and there will be grudging admiration for the Boks if they win 3-0. However the emotive articles emanating from SA journalists totally slating PdV is something to behold.
29 Jun 2009, 18:41 pm
Perhaps the best way to stop all this side talk would be for the players to release a statement saying that not only do they accept Snor but they back his experience and ability 100% and he does the coaching…
And it could be a long time coming.
29 Jun 2009, 18:41 pm
I dont actually give a damn about praise from the british press, it will just be a relief to have to stop watch these self-centred miseries whinge and gripe at every single post-match interview.
29 Jun 2009, 18:42 pm
#262 Sir_Charles_Napier:
bullsh1t the lions thuggery is well documented from sheridans punch in the goolies and general off the ball niggling, to O’Driscoll’s terrible hit on roussouw (which confusingly seems be regarded as an act of heroism by Lions supporters) imagine if burger had made that hit…. he would have been carded and cited and banned as a “typical brutish springbok” amidst the familiar wailing of the lions supporters and press. grow a pair, stop whining or f*ck of, you are boring and nobody likes a bore.
29 Jun 2009, 18:43 pm
The Boks need to win the 3rd test so the Brits can
go home with their tails between their legs.
A White Wash is the only cure.
The weak link in the Bok backline is not Jacobs it is Jean.
29 Jun 2009, 18:43 pm
#292 XhosaKid: i feel for schalk….he didnt choose himself…he is clearly not the schalk we all loved so much….i just hopwe all fans will remember the great displays he performed in the green and gold and that he wont be remembered for 1 moment of madness….
Having said that i hope Brussow firmly establishes himself as the premier Bok opensider….what a player!
29 Jun 2009, 18:44 pm
#294 grant10: Of course they can’t fire him. He’d have to be caught wearing women’s knickers, a white pointy hat and throwing darts at a photo of Jacob before they would do that.
Is he the man for the job – well you know I think not.
Cheeers mate
29 Jun 2009, 18:44 pm
#295 SpringbokSarah: lol…as long as it’s winning !!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:46 pm
#275 rangerman:
Ja but so are Chavhanga, Rose, Januarie and the dimunitive WP hooker PdV’s selections.
No consitency. Just racism, provincialism and towing the government line’
In his position he should be above all this. Problem is, he isn’t.
When PdV gets it right, it’s pure luck, not suitable selections.
Maybe it’s ‘Devine providence’ but my guess is PdV knows nothing more than ‘Devine perspiration’ (aka ‘why don’t we do it in the road’).
29 Jun 2009, 18:46 pm
#303 justrugby: but how many logos do we have on it?
Seriously! Poor designing. And the players don’t even put their hand over their emblem… sad sight
29 Jun 2009, 18:46 pm
#300 Boksarenumber1: Don’t say whitewash, that is a reference to Jake and to non-blacks
29 Jun 2009, 18:46 pm
#296 Heavens Game: i have never seen such an outpouring of poison in a long time….i admit i couldnt stand white in 2006 and had a go or 2 …but this is unprecedented….bearing in mind we winning!
29 Jun 2009, 18:47 pm
#290 Boksarenumber1: That was stated during his appointment.
I also believe his irrational substitutions, crazy public comments and on-field strategy are problematic.
His hard-on for Schalk and open disdain for a player like Brussouw brings his judgement into question. I mean just how could he send Danie on during that game?
That said, why blame Ryan for reporting what Snor uttered? If he did not report accordingly what would it make him in our eyes? I agree when he reports the cr*p he did last night about jacaranda’s and mountain goats confront him, but don’t do that for verbatim quotes.
29 Jun 2009, 18:48 pm
#299 gunther: i swear “he” is an emotional little thing.
“nasty, brutish bokke reverting to type bal blah….we dont want to play with you anymore……..until we can win”.
pathetic.
no coincidence he comes from the pommie part of ireland surely?
29 Jun 2009, 18:49 pm
#302 goyougoodthing2: cheers….LOL
29 Jun 2009, 18:50 pm
#302 goyougoodthing2:
the only way he’s gonna get dropped is if he wears a white linen sheet with a pointy tip over his head.
29 Jun 2009, 18:50 pm
#289 rangerman:
You are seriously expecting the Lions to congratulate them on eye gouging, testical yanking and biting them?
Perhaps you are confusing them with one of your servants from apartheid? perhaps you would like the Lions to doff their hat to you after being eye gouged and say ‘please boss may i have another’? if you do you are living in a different reality.
Everyone accept those one-eyed boers on here know that they cheated and fouled their way to victory. Cheats don’t get praise.
Also everyone knows, in addition to the above, that if there was some decent refering you would have lost both tests. Fact.
You can have your sullied, dirty, filthy win.
29 Jun 2009, 18:50 pm
#251 Rangerman – Blackpanther and Hurricane are the proverbial one-eyed Kiwi AB supporters who love this site. This is because of the presence of bloggers who actually have great insight and passion for the game. Sometimes they just need to take a deep breath, count to ten and wipe their spittle from their monitors before typing.
29 Jun 2009, 18:52 pm
#290 Boksarenumber1:
Are you an infant, or from outer space? No-one, not even SA Rugby denied the reasons for his appointment. PdV is part and parcel of the Boks, whether you like it or not, and as long as he stays on winning ways, you’d better accept it and live with it, so don’t be a hypocrite and consider your chosen blog name.
29 Jun 2009, 18:52 pm
#304 Osama – bin OCO: lets agree to disagree Oco.
he is South African, thats what matter to me today.
we are BIL series winners.
oops, thats two things………
29 Jun 2009, 18:53 pm
#309 rangerman:
I am from Eire.
Three counties of Ulster are in Eire.
Here’s 10p, buy yourself an education.
29 Jun 2009, 18:53 pm
#312 Sir_Charles_Napier:
no no no, we dont want a goddamn thing from your mighty Lions.
we are not confusing them with apartheid’s servants either, you are doing that very purposefully, which is precisely the attitude i dislike.
Burger and Botha have been cited and punished.
You have now been beaten. The score is 2-0.
You have now lost series fairly and squarely.
You can either continue to whinge or shut up.
Either way it makes no difference to the outcome of this series.
29 Jun 2009, 18:55 pm
#309 rangerman:
you know as much as this tour seems to have left a bad taste in the mouth for lions journalists, players and some of their supporters I haven’t loved it much either…. their atittude has cheapened it for me… if they are going to com here and complan all the time then they should rather stay at home and enjoy the british “summer”….
29 Jun 2009, 18:56 pm
#312 Sir_Charles_Napier: ha ha, you revert to apartheid and race?
this from an Ulsterman?
are you an orangeman or do you hate those thieving prods?
in other words: *** off pal, try another one
2-0. i Will take that “sullied dirty filthy win” thank you ma’am.
#313 Heavens Game: i like them too
29 Jun 2009, 18:56 pm
#312 Sir_Charles_Napier: Hehe.
Your churlishness makes my toes curl with glee.
Damn it’s nice to put on over the Empire on the field of play.
2-0…..so far!!
29 Jun 2009, 18:57 pm
#315 rangerman:
Disagreing is fine provided we can remain friends
!
I’m not convinced and we’ll see what we shall see in the 3N.
29 Jun 2009, 18:58 pm
#312 Sir_Charles_Napier: Take the pineapple out of your arse man !!!I can write you a freekin book of dirty British players over the years…BOD was hugely dissapointing ……..he wanted to rumble from minute one….. (i used to be a fan of his….no more)I think they should do a dope test on Sheridan,all those droids seem to have made him overly aggressive !!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:01 pm
#316 Sir_Charles_Napier: Well that explains everything !!!!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:01 pm
Do they sing God save the Queen in Ulster?
29 Jun 2009, 19:01 pm
#314 bluruggaguru: And in spite of some questionable subs and bad timing the Boks are still on winning ways.
29 Jun 2009, 19:01 pm
#322 justrugby: LOL
29 Jun 2009, 19:01 pm
#316 Sir_Charles_Napier: well congrats to you.
the best thing that came out of ireland was the road to Scotland imo
now seriously, run along and whine to a bunch of your like minded loser pals.
we really feel bad when pain becomes so evident.
not bad enough to give you the series though
#318 gunther: i feel the same. the whole tradition has been cheapened by the non-stop whining, grandstanding and refusal to acknowlege their loss.
ag, who cares really right? WE WON BECAUSE WE WON BECAUSE WE WON BECAUSE……..
or maybe
THEY’RE NOT SINGING(lions), THEY’RE NOT SINGING(lions)……….ANYMORE.
yeeeeeeeeeeeha BOKKE!!!!!!!!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:02 pm
#307 I suppose it is a different story after White went through a horrendous phase of losing. PdV hasn’t done that yet.
#312 SCN your nick conveys your sense of entitlement. Using apartheid to attack bloggers on this site because you think of them as nothing more than Boers opens you up to criticism using Empire as a perspective. No doubt all the ex-colonies are very grateful to the generosity and non-exploitation of your forebears.
29 Jun 2009, 19:02 pm
#319 rangerman:
See post 316 above. I am from Eire dim wit.
Of course you would take the “sullied dirty filthy win”, because as stated above you have a win at all costs mentality.
The Boer head bangers on here are in a minority if they think eye gouging your way to success is acceptable.
Frankly, that you do think it is acceptable to eye-gouge your way to success is frightening. Suddenly Apatheid doesn’t seem all that long ago.
29 Jun 2009, 19:03 pm
#321 Osama – bin OCO: always!
29 Jun 2009, 19:03 pm
The poll shows people think we going to win the try nations. For whatever reason, people are confident even though the circumstances don’t seem right, and considering a success rate of 2 out of 13. Something must be going right.
Whatever one makes of it, PdV seems to back his team and speak with conviction, whether the result is cosher or not.
29 Jun 2009, 19:03 pm
#320 Bul-a-Bhloo:
The well known Irish empire? perhaps you are referring to our themed pubs all round the world.
Fvck wit.
29 Jun 2009, 19:04 pm
#205 rangerman:
How many times of saying ‘One of the Greatest comeback wins ever’ does it take for you girls ?
so whats wrong with actually discussing the points of interest and controvery post-match ? Sure seems to be enoughg to talk about.
#218 bokfan1:
“The Boks didnt carry on moaning about it (Thorn dumping Smit) after the close defeat.”.
you ARE kidding, right ?
Well Smit himself started immediately at the postmatch, and the bloggers here still havent stopped.
#313 Heavens Game:
actually, all the bile and spittle seems to be 1-way in the direction of the BIL’s.
Two of the very Best Test matches seen in years. And yet so much anger disguised as ‘passion’
29 Jun 2009, 19:04 pm
#309 Bul-a-Bhloo:
I totally agree with Ryan’s article dude
29 Jun 2009, 19:05 pm
#329 Sir_Charles_Napier: hehe, trying to get a cheap shot in using apartheid wont work old bean
thats our history, not yours.
also part of our history is a series win over the British Lions in 2009.
29 Jun 2009, 19:05 pm
#329 Sir_Charles_Napier: And you wank*rs blew the elderly, woman and children up to achieve success. Go figure!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:06 pm
#332 Sir_Charles_Napier: its a real pity you chaps had to include all the other nations in the British Lions isnt it?
couldnt rely on the luck of the irish to see you through could you now?
29 Jun 2009, 19:07 pm
#324 Bul-a-Bhloo:
Yes, people from another country often sing another countries national anthem, so yes, people in the three Eire counties of Ulster are often singing another countries national anthem.
Every day we get up the Russian national anthem and retire to Italian national anthem.
Do you think before speak?
29 Jun 2009, 19:07 pm
#329 an irishman using a nick beginning with Sir. Care to enlighten everyone of the significance of Charles Napier
29 Jun 2009, 19:07 pm
#304 Osama – bin OCO: And here I was thinking that Januarie and Chavhanga got their Bok caps under Jake White…
Just like steady Eddie, Jaco vd W, Meyer Bosman and Henno Mentz
29 Jun 2009, 19:08 pm
#329 an irishman using a nick beginning with Sir. Care to enlighten everyone to the significance of Charles Napier
29 Jun 2009, 19:08 pm
#333 BlackPanther: i didnt refer to you. i referred to the NH and yes, i know you reside there but your heart is elsewhere i know.
i am glad to converse about the game but wont tolerate hatchet jobs bt talentless trolls like charlie.
29 Jun 2009, 19:09 pm
#325 Bul-a-Bhloo:
Lol @ the Queen *****
29 Jun 2009, 19:10 pm
#340 Sir_Charles_Napier:
Sir ******* do you think at all?
29 Jun 2009, 19:10 pm
#338 Sir_Charles_Napier: I do indeed.
It is quite apparent you don’t.
Now please wipe that spittle away before you carry on, you are spraying all over the show.
29 Jun 2009, 19:10 pm
If the eye gouging was so bad, i would like to know the condition of the victims eyes?
Did he leave the field of play to get medical attention?
Did burger actually hurt this guys eyes?
29 Jun 2009, 19:11 pm
#333 BlackPanther:
so when the irish were up in arms when you guys set out to mame O’Driscoll in NZ, would you qualify the outcry or defense thereof as passionate or bile?
29 Jun 2009, 19:12 pm
#343 Boksarenumber1:
The queen has nothing to do with this, she seems a very decent lady and is not in the league of these touring tosspots.
29 Jun 2009, 19:12 pm
What I think is needed is for Smit to make a public statement on behalf of the team that they are fully behind the coach and that they support and buy into what he is wanting to achieve 100%.
This is the only way this matter will be resolved and put to bed, the lack of support from the players in solidarity with their coach is worrying.
I for one give coach Pete the benefit of the doubt and believe the players support him !!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:14 pm
#350 cab:
Lol@’decent lady’, have you met the *****?
29 Jun 2009, 19:14 pm
#349 justrugby: YES….Iagree… this is out of hand….
29 Jun 2009, 19:15 pm
#336 Bul-a-Bhloo:
I think the#337 rangerman:
Tis a shame that ROG didn’t have his best game. Still in his defense, he was groggy from a bash to the head before leaking the try and giving away the penalty.
Kearney was excellent though and i thought ROG apart the other Irish lads had solid to good games.
29 Jun 2009, 19:16 pm
I saw the match live on the Internet from the USA. Being a US citizen, I had no bias for any side. I just appreciated an intense, hard-fought rugby match. The Lions were clearly the better side in the first half. Unfortunately injuries messed up their game plan and the Boks came on really strong in the 2nd half. Physicality is a huge part of the Bok’s game, as shown by the Burger and Botha incidents. In my opinion, the French referee needed to be stricter on the illegal physical stuff. Both sides were doing it to a certain extent, but the Boks seemed to be instigating it most of the time.
I’m amazed that the French referee wouldn’t have even given Burger a yellow card unless Bryce Lawrence the NZ touch judge had recommended it. And when he said “minimum yellow”, what he was really saying was “if I was the referee, it would be a red card”. Because of the French referee’s lack of English, he only heard “yellow”. If you remember he was the video ref the previous week in the 1st test. When the ball was ripped out of Monye’s hands as he crossed the goal line, the referee (Bryce Lawrence) couldn’t understand what the video ref was saying and he had to ask him numerous times what his decision. In the end, Lawrence awarded a drop-out 22, when the video ref said a scrum 5, Lions ball. It clearly wasn’t a try, but his poor English and lack of knowledge of the laws, led to a very confusing situation.
It is clear from the de Villiers’ comments about the Burger yellow card that he full-supported and actually encouraged the over-zealous physical side of the Bok’s game. As a mouthpiece of the South African Rugby Union, he should have thought about his response very carefully. But clearly he didn’t care about the repercussions. I firmly believe that he should be reprimanded and that someone higher up in the SARU should apologize for his remarks.
The Boks are very a talented rugby team, but the Burger and Botha incidents and the coach’s response, leave such a bad taste in one’s mouth. They have won the series, so they should celebrate and be humble in victory. Antagonistic-like remarks are totally inappropriate and uncalled for.
29 Jun 2009, 19:17 pm
#348 cab: Give me the job and the benefits and I would also be a decent sort…..
29 Jun 2009, 19:17 pm
‘I stand by Schalk, I’m still convinced he didn’t do it,’ he told keo.co.za. ‘When you watch the footage closely and if you know the nature of Schalk, you’ll know that he will never go to those measures to impose himself. Schalk certainly didn’t do anything on purpose. He watched the TV footage and was taken aback himself.
‘I am against anything that is against the spirit of the game. If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.’
who the hell are these pipsqueak little pompous self righteous baby children journalists led by the nose by their pompous little White brotherhood baas to try and ridicule and recriminate a coach who stands by his players, as if the glory underhand king Jake White would have done different,
you reckon Jake would have turned his back on his favorite player Schalk and fed him to the Lions and The Wolves huh Ryan Vrede?.
Some these journalists today have serious ulterior motives brewing back of it all, and its led by an entire punk *** breed of schmucks who want to drive a knife into the coaches back, wouldn’t put it past the holy triumvirate of ‘Winning Ways’ to be behind all of this third force operative going down here.
29 Jun 2009, 19:17 pm
#350 Boksarenumber1:
yes actually, i have.
29 Jun 2009, 19:18 pm
#353 grant10:
Which hand grant?
29 Jun 2009, 19:18 pm
its precisely the lack of any kind of sportsmanship from the lions that has brought me to this point.
i wonder why they havent congratulated PDivvy yet?
could coach MCGeechie be waiting for a win in the third test so he can squeeze PDivvies hand, look him in the eye with that smile that says “you were lucky and we should have won” and say “well done”.
risky strategy.
what if the Boks sweep it 3-o?
PDivvy will give McGeechie and co. a twitch of the moustache and a high pitched “thanks for coming” and McGeechie’s pain will be so much worse.
i hope that if it comes to this, McGeechie will not retire to a cave somewhere, a shattered man.
but if the British media are permanently scarred……..*** them.
29 Jun 2009, 19:20 pm
#355 skopskiet: your last para may not be too far fetched!
29 Jun 2009, 19:20 pm
#354 Bul-a-Bhloo:
that is uncalled for, the british ppl are the most tolerant anywhere on the planet.
The problem is a very specific one. These tourists are a bunch of whinging ingrates who have believed their own press and are arrogant and full of themselves.
29 Jun 2009, 19:21 pm
#357 Boksarenumber1: LOL….still need clarity on my hypocritical agenda !!
29 Jun 2009, 19:22 pm
they came equipped with a seige mentality and looking for a fight, they’ve now lost and are just whinging.
29 Jun 2009, 19:23 pm
#358 rangerman: you on fire tonight my man!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:23 pm
“Disgraceful De Villiers”
F’ck them, who these snot nose punk *** idiot pricks think they are, they deserve to be smacked around the ears these snot nosed lily white yellow bellied punk *** baby shoes journalists over here.
Anybody thats DISGRACEFUL is this bunch of snot nosed yellow bellied lily white journalist punks, nobody else.
29 Jun 2009, 19:23 pm
#352 Sir_Charles_Napier: a bash to the head?
why then did he try to bash Fourie Du Preez’s *** with his head then?
that was a filthy tackle and fully deserved the penalty which saw you blighters off.
lovely substitution that one by the way. wasnt he also half of the barn door Bryan Habana ran through?
kearny was solid. paul o’connel was…..uhm………was he on the field?
29 Jun 2009, 19:23 pm
#353 American_Rugger:
A nice to hear a voice of reason.
I am afraid, that for your efforts, you will be shouted down in a minute, with all sorts of irrational bile.
I am off now before i lose my cool and react to one of them again.
Have a good evening.
P.S. i would to apologise if i have offended normal rational Saffas. My fight was with the Boer head banger, eye gouging, testical biting apologists on here.
29 Jun 2009, 19:23 pm
Chaps – a quote to think about: “The best way to quiet a country is a good thrashing, followed by great kindness afterwards. Even the wildest chaps are thus tamed” by a Sir Charles Napier. Now an individual using this name as a nick comes onto this blog spouting off about SAs history. Can you actually get a sense of his hypocrisy. A pity the Lions couldn’t give the Boks a good thrashing – it seems if you can’t thrash those ex-colonies then bleat and make excuses. SCN – you are a hypocrite.
29 Jun 2009, 19:24 pm
have to say the lions fans i met and chatted too were pretty cool…
29 Jun 2009, 19:24 pm
#356 Bul-a-Bhloo:
Lol no boet give me the job, at least brussow jacque
and steyn would be playing every toets
29 Jun 2009, 19:24 pm
#359 grant10: Geez….. I hope not….surely not ???
29 Jun 2009, 19:25 pm
#368 Sir_Charles_Napier:
Good riddance sir *******
29 Jun 2009, 19:26 pm
PDV by al means be your own man but
PLEASE STOP SWEARING IN PUBLIC
29 Jun 2009, 19:26 pm
#363 grant10: Hey Grant,its me on Richards laptop in Nairobi airport!!!! You ok Gorgeous?
29 Jun 2009, 19:27 pm
#330 rangerman:
What I expected from you
.
As long as we can agree to call a spade a freekin shovel all’s cool.
29 Jun 2009, 19:27 pm
#368 grant10:
i am reffering to the touring team, players, captain, coaches and journalist i have read. i have yet to read one decent account, other than from will carling whom someone else posted.
29 Jun 2009, 19:27 pm
#363 grant10: ah, i used to be here a lot more Grant.
i had so much more time in those days.
nowadays, i have to make use of my time effectively
#364 skopskiet: possibly the first and last time we will agree on anything skop.
disgusting behaviour from our own, let alone the whining lions brigade.
29 Jun 2009, 19:28 pm
353 – awesome commentary and insight from an outsider
29 Jun 2009, 19:28 pm
#370 justrugby: a revolution is started with a whisper boet….
29 Jun 2009, 19:28 pm
#363 grant10: Lol….don’t think Rangerman got his quota of crays today !!!;
29 Jun 2009, 19:29 pm
#360 cab: Why uncalled for? Is it important that everyone share you sentiments for an institution that has no significance or bearing in our lives…at all.
I couldn’t give a hoot for her, I don’t owe her any respect and it seems a significant portion of the UK as well.
29 Jun 2009, 19:29 pm
#370 justrugby: Hiya JR some good pics of you in Forries!! We leave Cape Town and the sun comes out!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:29 pm
#373 carol: wow!! now i am!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:29 pm
#378 grant10: This is true !!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:30 pm
#373 carol: wow! yea….all cool….how you doing?? Great surprise!!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:30 pm
#346 The-Pill: no he didn’t hurt his eye at all, i saw the rerun stacks and his finger is on the guys cheek
29 Jun 2009, 19:30 pm
#364 skopskiet:
Congrats Skoppie you’ve outdone yourself with your illterations.
29 Jun 2009, 19:31 pm
#371 Boksarenumber1:
Troglodyte.
You had better run along and look that up because you have clearly had a substandard education and are as thick as the proverbial two short planks.
Still, as long as you clean windows, or clean lavatories i am sure there will be a role for you in this world.
29 Jun 2009, 19:31 pm
#375 cab: the fans were awesome…some great parties with them….but i see your point cab.
29 Jun 2009, 19:32 pm
#381 carol: Hi Carol…glad to see you got back safely…..was absolutely brilliant meeting you and Mark, Richard and Jane…how was Loftus ??
29 Jun 2009, 19:33 pm
#379 justrugby:
my mate and i nearly drowned on wed last week and lost our spearguns trying to “get a dive in before the huge swell hits us”.
lmao we were idiots!
29 Jun 2009, 19:33 pm
Hey loads of Night Owls gathering now, what an absolutley wonderful time we have had in your country!!
Really hard getting on that plane in Joburg today. GBS came to see us off, thought of putting him in my hand luggage!!
Such freinds made and great memories!
29 Jun 2009, 19:34 pm
#380 Bul-a-Bhloo:
no, you can have any opinion you want, but what in the name of allah does the queen have to do with this group of whingers?
29 Jun 2009, 19:34 pm
#373 carol:
I’d be more worried about you being in Nairobi Airport.
Take care of the laptop!
What part of the corridor are you in
Not the best example of ‘Africa’. Mind you, Madagasacar is worse.
29 Jun 2009, 19:34 pm
#381 carol: you gotta make a plan with the pics Princess!! Great memories…thanks…
29 Jun 2009, 19:36 pm
#353 American_Rugger:
YOU
DA
MAN !
#377 Heavens Game:
and, yet, when a Kiwi says the same thing we’re ’1-eyed, bitter’ and we project spittle everywhere.
Our American friend got it spot on.
29 Jun 2009, 19:37 pm
#389 justrugby: Well we are currently in the Business Lounge at Nairobi airport waiting for an overnight flight!!
Heard PDV had been doing “his stuff” so thought I would have a look!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:38 pm
#390 rangerman: Lol…you ain’t seen nothing yet when in Cape Town you must get a dive in at Peegrooms (spelling ?) a spot off Cape Point…now that can get rough !!!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:38 pm
#392 cab: I hope you are not referring to my comment regarding singing God save the Queen.
29 Jun 2009, 19:38 pm
#396 carol: I bet the booze is no longer flowing?? All partied out??
29 Jun 2009, 19:39 pm
#383 justrugby:
I wouldn’t put anything past that insidious little underhand self righteous, opportunist little prick, that calls himself a patriotic South African coach, nothing whatsoever. He will divide and rule as best he knows how, he learned it all from his pompous little empirical friends, the ones he was aiming for a cushy little job with since 2006 already, that dude is an underhand writhing backbiting snake, big time, no wonder his name rhymes perfectly with such a creature.
They all thought Luke Watson was the divisive element in the team all along, I can say it with conviction, no, it always starts at the top, you don’t need look too far for divisiveness when it is promulgated from the very core of its structures.
Let the senior players mouth it, let them say it loud and clear, who they would like to be coached by, 73% success rate and all, let them spill all them beans and let the coup begin, let the blood be spilled out in the open, if such be the insidious underhand sentiments from within then if I’m PdV I walk right now, not a moment longer.
29 Jun 2009, 19:40 pm
#358 rangerman: exactly some people are winging here about peoples comments towards the brits but if they had just been noble enough to stop their bitching and taken the defeat with grace as opposed to the ridiculous comments that they have made we would have left it, but because they are such soar p*ss sore losers i rek they can go get screwed
29 Jun 2009, 19:40 pm
#397 justrugby: been a few beautiful days ….afetr those bloody storms!
29 Jun 2009, 19:40 pm
i agree, let the senior players say who they want to be coached by, lets get this open secret out in the open once and for all.
29 Jun 2009, 19:41 pm
#396 carol: Cool, travel well for the rest of the trip !!! Speak soon !!Regards to all !!
29 Jun 2009, 19:42 pm
#395 Its called bickering among passionate rugby followers. Its good to see an outsiders point of view. A similar POV from frothing Kiwis is tainted with schadenfreude more often than not.
29 Jun 2009, 19:43 pm
#402 grant10: Yip, played at Atlantic Beach yesterday, windy but nice to see blue skies agaain !!
29 Jun 2009, 19:44 pm
#394 grant10: I will mail you a whole load when I get back. HUGE bonus…..
I SAW PERCY AT LOFTUS….What a treat, I was the only smiling lions supporter!! Still did not get to meet him. 6,000 miles and I did not get to shake his hand!!
What an awsome time you gave us…will mail.
Loftus was brilliant though….To see the Boks play there was a privelege!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:44 pm
#395 BlackPanther:
i’m not sure our american friend got it spot on, but his viewpoint seems quite fine.
29 Jun 2009, 19:44 pm
#403 cab: yes…..all this conspiracy **** must be brought into the light….if a few senior players are opposed to PDV….be brave enough to say so….and let the dominoes fall
I said it a few weeks ago, the old guard is on the way out….Juan is about to be dropped for Dewalt Potgieter , Burger is gone….anyone not backing the coach 100% doesent belong there.
29 Jun 2009, 19:46 pm
#380 grant10:
Lol a rumour is started with a whisper,
a Revolution requires martyrs
29 Jun 2009, 19:47 pm
#407 carol: next time we go say hi to Percy ….it was a priviliege to meet and share time with you all….regards to Mark,Richard and the beautiful Jane.
29 Jun 2009, 19:48 pm
#385 byoboy: British playing Minority Report again.
29 Jun 2009, 19:48 pm
#410 Boksarenumber1: well i am not tying no dynamite around my waist my friend!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:48 pm
#411 grant10:
The coach is a racist ******
29 Jun 2009, 19:49 pm
#409 Grant10 would Juan Smith be dropped for not giving PdV support? I would think its because of his performance.or it may be because Potgieter is playing better
29 Jun 2009, 19:49 pm
#409 grant10:
I dont believe the senior players mind Peter de Villiers at all and i think this whole incident with the press will only solidify that.
sorry grant but i dont subscribe to the view that schalk or juan or any of the other of these players, who are still young, should go unless they are dont buy into the coach in which case they probably should all go. But i believe they like the coach and that is why results are good, new players will be coming in, but this is team that just gone from winning a RWC, to an EOY cleansweep to a Lions series victory.
Its one of the great SA teams of the pro era and i see no reason at all to tweak any part of a winning combination.
29 Jun 2009, 19:50 pm
353. American_Rugger
Congrats man.One of the few unbiased comments.
Nobody wants to diminish the Boks fight back in the second
test,but the glory of the occasion was diminished by some
ill chosen remarks by the Springbok coach,who clearly suffers
from some sort of inferiority complex and unable to handle
the foreign press with any diplomacy or dignity.
He after all at that moment is the public face of South
African rugby and is doing a great job to entrance the
idea that Springbok rugby is all about robust thuggery and
that the average South African supporter is a throw back
to the Neanderthal man.
29 Jun 2009, 19:50 pm
#399 grant10: Yep, partied out, I have red eyes and an empty wallet!! Hehehehe
Will go back to healthy living tomorrow!!
Some of our group were put in Pretoria last night partying with some of the Lions, some priceless photos doing the rounds. Alun Wynn Jones topless dancing etc. Great laugh!
29 Jun 2009, 19:50 pm
#403 cab:
Yip let them nail their colors to their masts, each and every one, Keo and his little bunch of white pompous cronies along with Gavin Rich all sidling up with the Snake himself calling themselves ‘Winning Ways’ trying to drive wedges between a nation of sport enthusiasts, and every Tom, **** and Harry on here crying for spilled blood, they want this coach gone the bunch of sad eyed snakes.
Let the big Bok bonanza glory boy ‘Senior Players’ call their shots loud and clear, who they want as coach, PdV, or the Snake or His Highness the Meyer, let them nail their colors to the empirical mast right now, let the underhand bullsh’t stop today.
29 Jun 2009, 19:51 pm
#415 grant10:
Martyrs don’t blow themselves up, what are u smoking?
muslim weed?
29 Jun 2009, 19:51 pm
#414 Boksarenumber1: LOL….the way he defended Schalk today you wouldnt say so?
29 Jun 2009, 19:52 pm
#415 Heavens Game: Ja right, Potgieter is good. Better than Juan Smith? Never. He’s to busy doing the hard graft to be noticed. Trying to make Spies look decent. Wrong tree.
29 Jun 2009, 19:52 pm
Support the coach or go.
Now theres a novel approach!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:53 pm
I am very intersted to see who will be back up to FDUP on Sat, if Ricky is still out of the match 22 and Morne starts, is Pienaar cover for both ??
29 Jun 2009, 19:53 pm
#419 skopskiet:
Its ridiculous, you stand by your team and all of them who help to win.
What has De Villiers done to deserve this other than win test matches.
So he tells the media to get reamed, fantastic, its about time someone did.
29 Jun 2009, 19:53 pm
Well, we all know that you also have your own politically driven agenda, Ryan. PdV is generally a clown and an embarrasment but it simply does not matter what he says, you’ll never back him in any case.
I applaud him for his scathing attack on the British press – they have been nothing but disgraceful since Saturday, with no real congratulations coming forth, only a great deal of whining. And rugby is a contact sport and Bakkies’ ban is a disgrace. Why no ban against Sheridan & BoD if they are that serious about their aversion to “dirty” tactics.
What you have to admire about PdV, is that he is truely in love with the game. He even compared it with the Nobel prize, which says a lot of how high he rates the game and the achievement (I rate it higher though – LOL!).
Go PdV. For once I agree with what you said (even though most of it was clumsily spoken).
29 Jun 2009, 19:53 pm
#415 Heavens Game: i agree….not saying Juan doesent support PDV….by the way i do agree…dewalt currently better than Juan….
My point is that as Justrugby says with all this senior players anti PDV **** perhaps a good idea for the players to make a formal statement endorsing PDV?
29 Jun 2009, 19:54 pm
#416 cab: wont have to…i also believe they back PDV
29 Jun 2009, 19:55 pm
#419 skopskiet: The popular vote don’t mean nuckall today Skop. But I hear you, and agree…in a perfect world.
29 Jun 2009, 19:55 pm
#418 carol: brilliant….so glad you enjoyed your stay!
29 Jun 2009, 19:55 pm
#407 carol: Hi Carol.
Good to hear that you had such a wonderful time.
And how nice a sportsman/woman you are congratulating the Boks.
I don`t like the British, but i sure like you.
29 Jun 2009, 19:55 pm
#422 Isigidi my point was not so much Juan should definitely be dropped. It was rather that it is more likely for Juan to be dropped due to performance issues rather than loyalty to coach issues.
29 Jun 2009, 19:56 pm
#404 justrugby: Don’t know what sort of team the Lions will field on Saturday, heavens the walking wounded list is huge! WRS and Richard were wondering if they should offer their services to Ian McG!!
29 Jun 2009, 19:56 pm
#420 Boksarenumber1: no…but if youre offering????LOL
29 Jun 2009, 19:57 pm
#427 grant10: Please explain to me how Potgieter is better?
29 Jun 2009, 19:57 pm
#423 Bul-a-Bhloo:
not really, its called standing up for what you believe in.
If you believe the coach is letting the Bok down, have the courage of your conviction and step down. they all got money in the bank. no hassles.
29 Jun 2009, 19:58 pm
#426 King Shark: Nice post King
29 Jun 2009, 19:59 pm
Why does keo not Name the senior players that coach the Bok team? How else can he and the snake Take any credit than having the ************* believe they are Still running the Show.Dishonest.
29 Jun 2009, 19:59 pm
#433 carol: only if they brought bullet proof vests!!LOL
29 Jun 2009, 20:00 pm
#393 Osama – bin OCO: Hiya, big thank you for your book list…really gave me a flavour of your country. I have to come back!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:00 pm
#423 Bul-a-Bhloo: Yea, and the old fool doesn’t even know what the hell the word “empirical” means, but keeps on using it together with 100 other adjectives in every 2nd sentense
29 Jun 2009, 20:00 pm
#432 Heavens Game: Sorry mate. Got in late. Jip, I know Juan is outspoken IN INNER CIRCLES. Wasn’t he part of a little rebellion against some other coach as well? Strauli?
29 Jun 2009, 20:00 pm
#424 justrugby:
I’d pick H.Adams in an instant as scrummy backup and promote him to bench now.
I would still play Pienaar as run on fly on Saturday, I wouldn’t turn on him now, I’d show consistency and faith in his abilities, he will come good, the lads got plenty talent. I wouldn’t let him slide like they did to Gaffie du Toit, not unless they want him to disintegrate into a nobody.
29 Jun 2009, 20:01 pm
#412 The-Pill: boet this whole thing has been blown waay out of proportion by sore losers, I’ve watched that “incident” again and again, his finger was not gouging any eye. It’s just like the poms will never accept that they didn’t score that try in WC. They will find any excuse in the world as to why they didn’t win. Some even said it was unfair that they hadn’t played against 14 men which i found amusing coz that’s the only way they had a chance of winning
29 Jun 2009, 20:01 pm
#43 Sir_Charles_Napier: Come on man, the Boks didn’t eye-gouge their way to victory. The eye gouge had no meaningful effect on the game other than to hand the Lions a 10 point lead.
The Boks won fair and square and first minute indiscretion aside the Lions were every bit as aggressive throughout the 80mins.
29 Jun 2009, 20:02 pm
#435 Isigidi: Quicker,hungrier,as good as Juan at back of lineout…
Juan…as is schalk…were awesome….on m,erit and form i reckon Dewalt better currently…
Just an opinion m,ind you!
29 Jun 2009, 20:03 pm
#436 cab: Professional era where the players marketability can be adversely affected by the coach’s performance they have every right to complain. But if they do they gone. Can’t win.
As to loyalty / 100% support / three bags full sir, I say bullsh*t, you want loyalty get a dog.
29 Jun 2009, 20:04 pm
Does anyone know what happened to the Italian player who had his fingers in the kiwi locks eyes??
29 Jun 2009, 20:04 pm
425 and 426 well said. I agree totally.
427 maybe that would be good. But not all players have to agree with or like a coach to perform for a team. Sometimes you do it for the brother you bleed with beside you. But to combat these chinese whispers it would be a great antidote.
Anyway must go chaps. Its been a great time on this blog today. Must go – its a bit difficult blogging on Blackberry
29 Jun 2009, 20:05 pm
#419 skopskiet: Evening Skop, what a pleasure it was to meet the Keo firebrand…..Thanks for coming to see us!
How have you enjoyed the last two matches?
29 Jun 2009, 20:05 pm
Has it gone unnoticed that the general stance of the various rugby unions is to defend their players no matter what! Drug allegations, assaults, taxi driver incidents and the like. And de Villiers, do you want him to crawl up to the squawkers and the vitriolic British gutter press.
I have no argument with penalizing offenders in the game of rugby but I am reminded that the deserved hidings that the Lions (Seemingly extinct) suffered,has degenerated into an argument about one players transgession.
IT SMACKS OF DENIAL – BUT LETS FACE IT THE ***** CATS LOST – AGAIN!
29 Jun 2009, 20:05 pm
#438 namakwaland: That would be bout…..huhhh…
Smit
Victor
Bakkies
Juan
Spies
Du preez
Bismarck
Schalk
De Villiers
Habana
Yep, 2 thirds thats more loyal to Smit than to De Villiers in starting 15.
Rest follows like ducks!
29 Jun 2009, 20:06 pm
#443 skopskiet: Heini Adams is being wasted.
He could be our next great scrummie after Fourie.
29 Jun 2009, 20:07 pm
Skop and Namakwaland here together. More confusion than I can handle.
Bye.
29 Jun 2009, 20:07 pm
#429 Isigidi:
No perfect world anywhere, except over here every tooth fairy and his dog reckons PdV is out on a limb, knows f’ckal about coaching rugby and its only these Jakey Boy glory fellas holding this team together, meanwhile it was 2 Rookies that baled all their asses Saturday, not Schalk Jakes Mr. Perfect, or Juan, or Spies, or John, or Bakkies or Victor,
it was 2 players that Jake probably never would have picked, Brussow an out and out fetcher, and you know what our hero Jake thinks about them, and Morne Steyn who Jake I doubt would have played with his penchant for picking guys he ‘believes’ in like Pienaar and WO and Frans Steyn.
29 Jun 2009, 20:08 pm
#447 Bul-a-Bhloo: **** excuse because you Agree with the Rumours.
29 Jun 2009, 20:08 pm
#447 Bul-a-Bhloo:
Professionalism aint going to bring home **** at test match level.
You want players running into each other at 100 miles an hour not caring for life or limb, you dont pick the professionals, you pick the players who do it for their teammates and what the Springbok should represent, solidarity and loyalty.
Loyalty is a very fine quality, and one of the reasons i like Coach Pete is cos he has that coming out of his ears. He aint looking for his next paycheck. Anyone who doubts his passion just go watch his reaction when januarie goes over for the test in NZ. thats all you need to do, actions speak louder than words.
29 Jun 2009, 20:09 pm
#443 skopskiet: Interesting Skop, Adams certainly would not let the team down, the problem is that he has not been part of any training squad and will not be familiar with the set up, however with Spies and Morne around him he could adjust easily enough….going to be very intersting to see what they do, Pienaar/Steyn ??
29 Jun 2009, 20:09 pm
I still believe the players are supportive of PDV …perhaps the odd 1 or 2 may have there dislikes….but the team seems content….and are winning.
29 Jun 2009, 20:10 pm
#459 grant10: Agree !!
29 Jun 2009, 20:10 pm
#455 skopskiet: Selective When it suits Their agenda.
29 Jun 2009, 20:11 pm
#431 The-Pill: Why thank you, actually GBS will tell you I was wearing my Springbok T shirt under my Lions top!!
Huge respect for your Boks, not keen on Scalks tricks on Saturdy though, not what I would consider normal Bok behaviour!
29 Jun 2009, 20:12 pm
#422 Isigidi: #435 Isigidi:
Workrate, tackling and heart. He gives everything, just like Juan used to do pre 2008
29 Jun 2009, 20:12 pm
#459 grant10: Apologist for the *************?
29 Jun 2009, 20:12 pm
I hear Victor has the flu !!! hope he recovers in time !!
29 Jun 2009, 20:12 pm
#458 justrugby: he has been with the e boks and made a very decent contribution off the bench…
With spies at 8 and perhaps Morne and wynand at 10 and 12 may be a great option
29 Jun 2009, 20:12 pm
#447 Bul-a-Bhloo:
Bulldust professionalism never won no real contest ever, only committed enthusiasm and guts, and that you only get with pride and belief in each other, let those ‘professionals’ like Victor and JS et al that went and played ‘professional rugby over in France teach you the difference between playing ‘professional rugby vs playing under a committed coach for your own country, you ain’t got a clue, you and 99% of all bloggers on here, why don’t you ask these senior players who they prefer being coached by, c’mon I dare you to, go ahead and ask them, tomorrow.
29 Jun 2009, 20:14 pm
#464 namakwaland: apologist for no one my man!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:14 pm
Every single one of the Boks got stuck into this second test, they were down and out, and pulled it back, both the older member and the youngest additions, it was a great team effort.
The real difference why this Bok team won was there hunger, as it was always going to be. Last week they slipped off, and this week they did the opposite and player for the full 80 mins. You cannot motivate players to do that if they unhappy with the coach or something else.
29 Jun 2009, 20:14 pm
#454 Bul-a-Bhloo: Catch you again !!
Hey I am the proud owner of a Bulls shirt!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:14 pm
Blek Panter,
I think GH jolly well deserved the fair play award – after all that’s all he got. A good loser or just a loser?
Four more years (well about 2 now).
Nzinchina,
didn’t see your coaches come out criticising Umaga or Throne’s cowardly and premeditated early assualts on BoD & Smit; effectively ending their campaigns. Jolly good sports all those NZ’ders. Schalk’s “gouged” Fitzy needed only a tear or two wiped and on with the game. No signs afterwards. Hardly “gouged” except by the media.
Please man, don’t be precious little hobbits.
29 Jun 2009, 20:14 pm
#465 justrugby: oh hell!!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:14 pm
#459 grant10: Magic word is “winning”. If PdV is taking so much flack while winning, imagine when he starts loosing.
29 Jun 2009, 20:16 pm
#462 carol: I am impressed that you wore the boks shirt Carol. By the way i think Grant has a little crush on you, r u a super model?
29 Jun 2009, 20:16 pm
#469 cab: a great test and one of the all time great comebacks….3 stunning boks trys….
29 Jun 2009, 20:18 pm
#473 Isigidi: yes…it will be HECTIC!!….OUTTA here …cheers all..
29 Jun 2009, 20:18 pm
#462 carol: You turncoat you! Just kidding.
I never liked Schalk. One dimensional dumb player. Huge work rate, but i rather have someone with more skills.
Have a pleasant evening.
29 Jun 2009, 20:18 pm
#459 grant10: Mc Geech impressed the guys here, he was out last night withthe lads being very positive…..however Shaun Edwards was in a very dark mood!!
The players were being so great to the supporters and appologised for letting them down….and thanked them for coming so far to support them!! That was appreciated!
29 Jun 2009, 20:19 pm
#475 grant10:
too right, a great test and an unbelievable achievement for this SA rugby team that have yet again shown tremendous guts, which has unfortauntely largely been marred by a whole lot of rubbish reporting.
29 Jun 2009, 20:21 pm
#435 Isigidi: wat krap jy so oor Potgieter , natuurlik is hy beter hy is dan n Blou Bul.
As hy beseringsvry bly gaan hy nog beter word watch hom. Juan is regtig n yster maar wees eerlik nuwe bloed is soms goed al is dit net om druk op Juan te sit.
29 Jun 2009, 20:21 pm
I may not be his biggest fan but right now I back everything PdV said.
His stock definitely rose in my books. The “gouging Lions” thing absolutely killed me, I cant stop laughing.
The loyalty he’s shown to his players may be blind but it can be commended. And I for one admire him for it.
No man left behind!
29 Jun 2009, 20:22 pm
#463 bluruggaguru: He still do. What are you saying? Play the shiners of the last weekend/tournament into Bok team? Jeez, we’ll have a different Bok team every year!
Potgieter is good, and that’s all.
29 Jun 2009, 20:22 pm
Naand, naand, naand!
Firstly, we had a marvelous time at the Test on Saturday, a few of us Keolings, my son BonzaiGBS and Carol, WRS, Richard and Jane… we had a blast afterwards as well…. hell Carol & Co even tasted PAP & SHEBA….
Today, when seeing Carol & Co off at the Airport, it was with a heavy heart…. we will miss our “Honorary Saffa friends from Mud Island”…
Secondly, the Snorrie apologists are as nuts as their hero… and Saturday proved once and for all that a pure fetcher (Brussouw) is an essential element for the future… also Saturday proved that Morne Steyn is a PURE BOK and certainly wayyyyyyyy better than Ruan Pienaar.
If anybody doubted who the better outside centre is, go look again at Mossie’s try….
Mossie, Morne, Brussouw and Habana are “The Manne” !!
Wonder if Pismier and KingPaul still thinks Schalla is better than Brussouw??
29 Jun 2009, 20:22 pm
#478 carol: Shaun Edwards was down? He doesn’t take defeat well. Probably why he is so successful.
29 Jun 2009, 20:22 pm
#469 cab:
Thats right, each and every one of them put it all out there for the team, and for the coach and for each other, and when the last kick by the new kid on the block went over, each and every one, from the last senior player to the first reserve hooker who never even ran on the field were up in joyous celebration about the very fact that the TEAM was successful,
and that kind of unilateral combined cohesive unity you don’t get with money sport professionalism, you get it only when it really matters, when there is far more at stake than the self centered individual, but when its all for one and one for all.
29 Jun 2009, 20:23 pm
#476 grant10: Night gorgeous, think of us on the plane whwn you are tucked up in Clifton!!***
29 Jun 2009, 20:25 pm
#480 superBul: Loved the Loftus vibe Superbul!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:26 pm
#485 skopskiet:
yep, its the only way to build the truly great teams.
29 Jun 2009, 20:26 pm
#480 superBul: Kuk verskoning om ‘n Bul te druk. Nuwe bloed om druk op te sit? Nee wat. Daai bulletjie moet nog verhoring. Beteken nie as jy shine in ‘n S14 kampioen span jy moet ‘n Bok word nie.
29 Jun 2009, 20:26 pm
#483 grootblousmile: Hi GBS!! Long time no see!
Yea, the Snor apologists are out in force and hanging on by their nails hehehe
29 Jun 2009, 20:27 pm
#184 grant10:
Just another day at the office Grant10, but noted thanks.
I am a bit perplexed with people talking of “admiring” as I really have not been doing anything unusual.
I mean it. Maybe the circumstances are different.
Or people are using me as a means to communicate their own message. Who knows, maybe people are conspiring to manipulate me?
29 Jun 2009, 20:27 pm
later old skoppa, u have been right about many things.
29 Jun 2009, 20:29 pm
#483 grootblousmile: Titanium Broer, thanks for coming to see us off. What a fantastic time you and Grant have given us.
I should have sneaked you on the plane!!
Battery getting low I may just vanish!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:30 pm
#485 skopskiet: Well said !!
29 Jun 2009, 20:32 pm
#490 SA Barbarians: Hello, your mates have treated us like royalty! Hsve met K9 his two boys, Truspi (spelling) and his brother and Fern!!
29 Jun 2009, 20:32 pm
#493 carol: I trust your flight to Nairobi on the plane with the roofrack was OK ??
29 Jun 2009, 20:32 pm
#355 skopskiet:
Skop, the campaign is on. They want to get rid of PdV, mark my words. Look at the shifting excuses week after week. This coach is winning and has he been congraculated by our “journalists”? No, because that is against their agenda.
Never heard of a coach being sacked because he cannot express himself in the Queen’s language. Must say though that he is nobody’s yes man and he speaks his mind. He does not have dinners with these typist ala Transformation. That is what galls them, they have no hold on him. Forget the fact that he has a 75% success rate.
Like the one about him not reading what they write and yet they, the scribes, are highly interested in his job. Talk about showing
one the mid finger in your face.
29 Jun 2009, 20:33 pm
#488 cab: #494 justrugby: #485 skopskiet:
Bullsh*t generalisation. Do you all believe in the tooth fairy as well?
29 Jun 2009, 20:33 pm
#195 St.Petersburgbok:
St P
Where do I start?
PdV is a very spontaneous and sensitive indiv.
I think he needs to learn to speak with the mind and not the heart. But the man knows his rugby.
Everybody wants a fair chance. He is not afforded that fair chance and the journos represent the voice that does not want him to succeed. Just take the time to read their k*k.
So it’s a bit of a difficult situation, but my sympathies are not with the white journos.
29 Jun 2009, 20:34 pm
#490 SA Barbarians: Man, what a game by Morne Steyn, Brussouw and Mossie…
…and what a near farkup with Langbek giving a penalty for a high tackle….
Morne has got BMT flowing in his veins…. what a boytjie !!
29 Jun 2009, 20:36 pm
Night all, thanks to all I have met during the last few days, especially Grant and GBS….wonderful, wonderful friends.
Catch you tomorrow….Goodnight South Africa XXXXX
29 Jun 2009, 20:36 pm
#495 carol: Hi Carol
Good to hear, and also glad to hear you have enjoyed the trip!
29 Jun 2009, 20:38 pm
#501 carol: See you on the blog tomorrow Karlien….
… you’ll be back in SA…. I know it !
29 Jun 2009, 20:39 pm
At the end of the day the Boks can only play what has been put in front of them
PDV will be judged by me the same way as I judged other coaches-wins. I the Boks win then I am happy, how they do it I really do not care about
I really do not care what he says and to who (I hope he gave Stephen Jones (Times) and old Nick an earful
29 Jun 2009, 20:39 pm
#496 grootblousmile: Flight was fine…battery dead byee xxxx
29 Jun 2009, 20:40 pm
#451 Bludeks: Hear hear, real trailer trash journos in the UK
29 Jun 2009, 20:42 pm
#492 cab:
so long cabbertjie, me too outa here
29 Jun 2009, 20:42 pm
#265 ZoomZoom:
Thanks for that.
Agenda based writing.
Pathethic from Ryan really.
29 Jun 2009, 20:44 pm
#500 grootblousmile: Dit was ‘n moerse game gewees. Daai laaste twee skoppe van Morne was ongelooflik.
Hopelik weet die amateur komediant nou dat Brussouw ten alle tye op die veld moet wees. Ek kon nie glo toe hy vir DR opstuur nie, en as dit nie was vir DR se besering nie, sou Brossouw nie opgegaan het nie en sou ons die toets verloor het!!!
Hopelik het dit ook deur sy dik kopbeen gedring dat mens ‘n spesialis skopper wat game na game na game goed skop, op die veld moet hê.
29 Jun 2009, 20:44 pm
I must admit I can’t agree that PdVs comments were disgraceful, i fact they were damn hilarious, maybe it will get the poms to shut the fk up.
29 Jun 2009, 20:45 pm
#504 JL1: I rather believe that the success of a country as a whole is a function of the bits and pieces. A very complicated mix.
Difficult one to offset winning games against the damage that individuals can do to the image / marketability of a country.
I know that if I was Sasol wanting to break into the European market, what PdV says with their name on his chest would be more significant than how many games he wins.
29 Jun 2009, 20:47 pm
#494 justrugby: #497 Peter Mkata:
cheers, take care, so long
29 Jun 2009, 20:47 pm
#509 SA Barbarians: Nou wat sal hom anders maak as enige ander SA coach die laaste 12 jaar
Laaste coach wat dit gedoen het was Kitch,speel Ruben as fetcher, ‘n egte yster, saam met Andre Venter, ‘n baldraer en dan speel jy die skopper, Joel Stranksy
Niemand daarna het dit gedoen nie
29 Jun 2009, 20:48 pm
Nice hatchet job, Ryan, and not exactly objective sports journalism, is it?
29 Jun 2009, 20:49 pm
#511 Bul-a-Bhloo: I see your point, but Gatland and his moans and whinging can alo be seen as a negative image
Sponsors like exposure and they like winning-nothing more, nothing less, wih PDV they are getting both
29 Jun 2009, 20:49 pm
This article is an Disgrace !!
29 Jun 2009, 20:50 pm
#514 Windhoek.Lager: Did he or did he not say these things. That is the question…..
29 Jun 2009, 20:50 pm
#510 byoboy: Put yourself in Geeche’s shoes. He has NO, and I mean No idea whether Snorre is playing mind games with him or not. If we are in the dark bout his comments, imagine the poor oke. No mind games here, he is getting mind f.cked! hehehehehe
29 Jun 2009, 20:51 pm
#511 Bul-a-Bhloo: …and if they want to break into the the European market sponsor the Lions-do what First Cape Wines do or Standard Bank sponsoring Eng Rugby versus Argentina or the ICC 20/20 cricket
29 Jun 2009, 20:51 pm
#513 JL1:
heeltemaal reg, Jake of miskien ook Streauli en Mallet sou nooit Brussow gespeel het, hy sou dieselfde f’kop gemaak om Roussouw op die bank as reserve loosie aan te sit, lank voor hy enige tyd n ‘fetcher’ sou kies.
29 Jun 2009, 20:52 pm
#516 sparticus: No JM Coetzee wrote that and got a Pulitzer, really not that good this journo
29 Jun 2009, 20:52 pm
#513 JL1: Sy strategiese naiviteit, blatante rassisme en die feit dat hy ‘n verleentheid vir die borge, die Springbok handelsmerk en die land is om ‘n paar te noem. Behalwe dit is hy ok
29 Jun 2009, 20:52 pm
#519 JL1: Considering it, but not westwards. In the other direction……
29 Jun 2009, 20:54 pm
#452 Isigidi: Only Bismarck and Habana got their caps from Jake White, so he can’t claim any of the other players you mentioned
29 Jun 2009, 20:54 pm
#520 skopskiet: Maar PDV glo dieselfde sal werk
Danie hoort vir Bakkies te vervang of Juan
Schalk moet 8 speel of 7, alternating tussen hom en Juan
Dan het ons a sterk bench.
Rugby now days is about the dark arts of getting the ball first at point of contact or slowing it down to get your defense lined up
29 Jun 2009, 20:56 pm
#518 Isigidi: It’s a classic. Geeche can’t even be noble enough to say congrats to us and none of the B&I players have said any kind words either, and I’m glad PdV mentioned that as well. Their behaviour is a disgrace!
29 Jun 2009, 20:58 pm
#522 SA Barbarians: Ek weet nie so heeltemal nie-sy Engels is swak so hy probeer hom uitdruk deur dinge direk te vertaal
Carel dup het baie games verloor wat meer van ‘n verleentheid vir my is, Straeuli het nog meer met sy draadkamp gedoen
In die buitleland hou hulle nie van ons nie omdat ons wên en omdat ons “dutchmen” is en hulle glo ons haat hulle
29 Jun 2009, 20:59 pm
These punkeyed white racists like these two pretense liberals here the Barbarian and his mate Blhoo, are what they are, no one will change them this lifetime, not even if PdV wins 100% of his games and he walks the tri nations will they grant a moments gratitude, they are racists through and through, no question about it, and they are the dinosaurs on the way out, whether they prepared to acknowledge it or not, they are history, pity they can’t see it yet, but its a fete a compli, better catch the next ferry to Gondwanaland fellas else there simply no hope for you, none whatsoever.
Thats me gone, consider your options, you don’t have too many.
29 Jun 2009, 20:59 pm
#524 XhosaKid: Only mentioned senior players that could influence a rebellion, or dictate a palying patern despite coaching orders. How would we know that what happens on the field is really the gameplan of the coach? Rumours going around that the “senior” players desides on gameplan on field anyway.
29 Jun 2009, 21:01 pm
#526 byoboy: You must realise that the press love Geegs here in the UK
… and Edwards and Gatland were the masters around Wales and their NH success… this is a bitter pill to swallow and if JHB turns into a Bok feeding frenzy, then their press will turn against them
Bokke must smash them on Sat
29 Jun 2009, 21:02 pm
#525 JL1:
They haven’t learnt the secret yet, jake in all his 4 years and so far PdV getting the hang of it only just by default only, and I reckon it could be Gold thats pulling the strings amongst the forwards, yes and the ‘senior players’ otherwise who of them would have picked Brussow ahead of Schalk, after Jake the Great Fake has been telling all and sundry that Jake is the 100% success man, the first name in his team.
Thats the last one now from here
See you JL, take it easy.
29 Jun 2009, 21:03 pm
#531 skopskiet: Cheers
29 Jun 2009, 21:04 pm
#528 skopskiet: You just don’t get it do you.
Fortunately it doesn’t matter that much, now wipe that froth from your mouth and drink your medicine…….
29 Jun 2009, 21:04 pm
#527 JL1: Ek verstaan wat jy sê. Carel Dup en Straeuli was nou ook nie juis my gunstelinge nie, maar hulle is gepos soos hulle verdien het.
Die pos van afrigter is ‘n baie openbare een, en een van die posbeskrywings behoort openbare beeld en “people skills” in te sluit imo
29 Jun 2009, 21:05 pm
#531 skopskiet:
Jake is the 100% success man – should read Schalk
29 Jun 2009, 21:06 pm
#528 skopskiet: Bwaaahahahahaha Idiot
29 Jun 2009, 21:07 pm
#533 Bul-a-Bhloo:
I dont dislike you, I just abhor outright racists, so sorry, it just happens to be ingrained in societies and human consciousness whether they like it or not, its a conditioned reactive response and might take generations to eradicate altogether.
29 Jun 2009, 21:07 pm
#534 SA Barbarians: Ja, die laaste coach wat a gentleman was Kitch/du Plessis/Gysie Pienaar kombinasie
Die ouens mimic hulle base-SA Rugby, as dit so gaan wat se beeld is daar dan om uit te beeld
Al wat dit vat is media training, kos so R150 000 oor 6 weke
29 Jun 2009, 21:08 pm
#536 SA Barbarians: Look at yourself – thats the only place that counts – fool.
29 Jun 2009, 21:09 pm
I am not a great PdV fan but I agree with what he has said here and I think all his players will thank him for that. The Poms are playing slimeball… harping on Burger (a dirty fool) and Bakkies ( who I think did nothing wrong) whilst not even offering congrats. They will go on to moan about how they “wuz robbed”. Wait for it. I think anyone who calls the media up will receive the keo article written here, because journos and media people feel they have the right to be negative about everyone. I am very pleased to hear PdV defending rugby as a game that is not ballet and noting Lions are not angels.
He is very often wrong, but these outrageous remarks should be balanced by the outrage of McGeechan not offering any congratulation to the Boks, the Britpress winding up their moaning stores. Phillips sour rants and so on. PdV gave them pure hell right back. Good on him.
29 Jun 2009, 21:10 pm
#529 Isigidi: So in essence, what you are saying the senior players have this win/lose button that they switch on and off depending on whether they want to win or not, geez you might be right, if one just goes to 19-0 AB loss, FDP, Butch, JDV switched the lose button
29 Jun 2009, 21:11 pm
#539 skopskietSkop, have you had one too many again?
When you get in rant mode you remind me of my ex-wife on half a bottle of vodka!
29 Jun 2009, 21:11 pm
#537 skopskiet: You have known me for a number of years now. You will know by now what my convictions are.
29 Jun 2009, 21:12 pm
#529 Isigidi:
Perhaps PdV tells them to decide how they want to play it; they are after all on the park
My guess is that they work on the basic game plan unlikely to be as rigid as White’s. But also a few back-up plans depending on what plays itself out on the field.
But I do think they have a few preplanned moves for specific situations ie lineout/scrum in opponent’s 22.
There are strong personalities there: Muir, Gold, Smit, Matfield, JdV, FdP and so on and thus unlikely that PdV will or will want to have the only say.
29 Jun 2009, 21:15 pm
#528 skopskiet: In fact PdV and Skoppie have quite a bit in common
Both are so short they have to roll down their socks to have a ****.
Both consequently suffer from acute short man syndrome
Both have their bowls located in their brain cavities
When the **** in their brain cavities reaches critical mass a chain reaction ensues, and boom! A massive mushroom cloud of misplaced adjectives, unintelligible statements, and **** particles contaminate the environment
29 Jun 2009, 21:16 pm
#530 JL1: It would be absolutley brilliant to beat them on sat and i think we will, just wish bakkies was the to rough them up a bit.
29 Jun 2009, 21:17 pm
PDV should go and coach a coloured thugby club like Delicious RFC where kicking a fallen opponent to death is also deemed “part of the game”. This affirmative-action clown just doesn’t have a clue. What a disgrace!
29 Jun 2009, 21:17 pm
#545 SA Barbarians:
Jy moet boeke begin skryf………
29 Jun 2009, 21:19 pm
#544 Sheriff: A very sensible comment. I am sure it works that way. After all the players have to respond on the pitch and the planning sometimes goes wrong. Senior players can influence a game and I have know instances when they basically ignore the coach and do it their way, but most often it’s a blend, as you say. Oh Sherif, I loved Pretoria and the test!
29 Jun 2009, 21:19 pm
#547 TheTackler: Like spear tackling or employing boxers in the front row-go get a life
29 Jun 2009, 21:20 pm
I am not against criticism against PdV.
Rugby at international level extremely tough and one person is unlikely to get it right all the time. Geech in all his wisdom selected Vickery in the 1st test and so on.
I think what I’m saying is that it is unacceptable for people for people to have a go at PdV -the person – all the time. Always highlighting his shortcomings even in victory.
We cannot condone that. Take Ryan’s article for instance; only quotes certain parts to support his agenda.
I want to remind those that it is written “For what you sow, you will reap”
29 Jun 2009, 21:21 pm
#548 Bul-a-Bhloo: Ek raak moer geirriteerd met sulke spraaksame idiote
29 Jun 2009, 21:22 pm
#547 TheTackler:
Correct you are a disgrace!
29 Jun 2009, 21:27 pm
#546 byoboy: Typical yarpie thugby mindset. No wonder people despise the yarpies as an unsporting race.
29 Jun 2009, 21:27 pm
#545 SA Barbarians:
LOL
Some funny “****” there
29 Jun 2009, 21:27 pm
#549 peterg123:
Glad to hear Pete!
Yeah, ironically I was prob within 5km from the stadium in a suburb called Brooklyn at the time of the game.
We left and reached a more eastern suburb of Pta at around the 68 min mark. I instinctively told my father in law that we will win the test eventho we were behind at the time.
Our function was adjacent to a pub and our joy was huge when:
1. Jacque Fourie scored that try
2. Morne Steyn landed that penalty at 80min
2nd test that I could not see live; should be able to see the 3rd in Jhb altho not at Ellispark
29 Jun 2009, 21:28 pm
#554 TheTackler:
But you are a Saffa, born and bred
29 Jun 2009, 21:30 pm
Tackler,
Why does everybody on this site seem to hate you?
29 Jun 2009, 21:30 pm
Sherrif – I see you still fighting the good fight. I tend to ignore the twats but I have noticed they seem to get more anxious everytime the pdvs boks WIN.
29 Jun 2009, 21:31 pm
Did Morne Steyn Not play Under Peter De Villiers coaching at Junior Bok level? Maybe the senior Junior players coached that team too.Same time when Heineken Meyer preferred that laaitie from Piketbergh?
29 Jun 2009, 21:36 pm
Namakwa – yeah Pdv had Morne as his flyhalf u21 Boks.
29 Jun 2009, 21:36 pm
#559 Slappes:
Had to come on as I left sort of halfway through a discussion.
I think what helps is that Im actually not fighting with anyone. I’m merely raising points and state my view/opinion.
It will support others’ view and disagree with others’, but that’s ok.
I’m comfortable with people disagreeing with me. But that’s me.
PdV has and continues to make mistakes but at least he is winning. His winning % actually the best but of course he has not won a 3N or World Cup but he will have a crack at it.
29 Jun 2009, 21:39 pm
#558 BULLET: I speak inconvenient truths. Like telling a child there is no Father Christmas or Tooth Fairy.
29 Jun 2009, 21:40 pm
I have just listened to De Villiers interview. My word, I have not laughed like that in a while.
29 Jun 2009, 21:40 pm
Hi Tackler,
Please educate me, what truths have you spoken that upset the masses?
29 Jun 2009, 21:41 pm
lol tackler’s the bogeyman who tells children there’s Santa Claus
29 Jun 2009, 21:41 pm
Sherrif – Agree, my view is judge Pdv on his performance – Not on his PR skills. But it irks me to see peoples ignorance and prejudices coming to the fore.
29 Jun 2009, 21:42 pm
#566 Big Hit: *no Santa Claus
29 Jun 2009, 21:42 pm
what a disgrace schalk “skollie” burgher was a to south africans all over the world, let’s hope we never see you in a springbok jersey again bravo brussouw you have great skills, you made us proud.some of those blue bullies weren’t top either.
29 Jun 2009, 21:42 pm
The question is not is he winning,
It is why is he winning?
Any one that can look past then substitutions and comments about Schalk is naive.
And it has nothing to do with race!!
29 Jun 2009, 21:43 pm
#565 BULLET: he was speaking on the Boer war last night, Crouchback stylee. It seemed to rankle with a few.
29 Jun 2009, 21:43 pm
JEANJACQUES,
Are you suggesting a life long ban for Burger?
29 Jun 2009, 21:44 pm
BIG HIT,
If thats the truth, I cannot debate with him, my Boer war knowledge is not what it should be. Pity, I was hoping for an intellectual rugby debate.
29 Jun 2009, 21:44 pm
correct bullit
29 Jun 2009, 21:45 pm
Bullet – yeah i had to laugh too, good entertainment from our coach there. Cant see why Ryans upset though?
29 Jun 2009, 21:45 pm
The pool code for Keo Bloggers 2009 CC is linygamy
29 Jun 2009, 21:45 pm
#569 jean-jacques: Harsh, Schalk is a true Bok and when you pull someone out of a ruck and you hands are around his face it does not mean he did it with intent it all happens in a break of a second
It does not make Schalk a dirty player
29 Jun 2009, 21:45 pm
JEAN-JACQUES,
Seems a bit harsh. I agree that he deserves a lengthy ban, but not a life one? Would 6 months or a year not be sufficient for him to learn his lesson?
29 Jun 2009, 21:46 pm
#569 jean-jacques: It’s Schalk Burger.
Why for life? A bit dramatic are you?
29 Jun 2009, 21:46 pm
Take it easy fellas!
29 Jun 2009, 21:47 pm
#576 superBul: Going to be tougher to call than the BL pool. Maybe just back the Bulls as your banker all the way through.
29 Jun 2009, 21:47 pm
#563 TheTackler: Piss off
Go unclog more toilets, moron
29 Jun 2009, 21:47 pm
#571 Big Hit: Still the most costly war (in money and lives)for Britain outside of the WWs
29 Jun 2009, 21:47 pm
SLAPPES,
Perhaps he is just too passionate about people not making comic’s of themselves. He cannot just laugh at the man.
29 Jun 2009, 21:48 pm
LOSERER,
Profanity is the crutch of the conversational cripple. Let the man speak, if he speaks sense, we can have an interresting debate.
29 Jun 2009, 21:50 pm
#585 BULLET: I have listened to his ‘wisdom’ for months now. I am all wisdomed out
29 Jun 2009, 21:51 pm
#561 Slappes: Thanks,thought i heard him say That.
29 Jun 2009, 21:52 pm
#417 Brentie1:
You got it in one.
Which, i would like to think is NOT truly representative of the average saffa. It certainly isn’t my experience with the thousands of Souties i know.
29 Jun 2009, 21:52 pm
LOSERER,
Fair enough!-) I am not all that familiar with the man.
Do youy live in SA? What are the papers making of the Boks matches? Just listened to an interview with Clive Woodward, first British person to congratulate the Boks.
He said that the Lions will be dissappointed that they did not give a better account of themselves. Made a very valid point on the eye gouge scenario, but still mentioned that the better side won.
He said it was one of the best test matches he had ever seen.
29 Jun 2009, 21:54 pm
#589 BULLET: where did you hear the Woodward interview?
29 Jun 2009, 21:54 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8125270.stm
29 Jun 2009, 21:54 pm
The Irish Pommie is in the house….
29 Jun 2009, 21:55 pm
Whose the Irish Pommie?
29 Jun 2009, 21:56 pm
#563 TheTackler: Do Not confuse Inconvenient Truths with Your shallow selective Drivel.
29 Jun 2009, 21:56 pm
#588 Sir_Charles_Napier: you back for more mick?
29 Jun 2009, 21:56 pm
sorry guys i’m losing it, but schalk has always seemed to me to be a thug playing a gentleman’s game and not a gentleman playing a thug’s game, lets face it he’s always been barbaric.
29 Jun 2009, 21:56 pm
#576 superBul: Can’t wait for the CCup.
29 Jun 2009, 21:57 pm
#554 TheTackler: ha ha ha… i’ve never heard such fkn bullshit, really man you’re pathetic
29 Jun 2009, 21:57 pm
#563 TheTackler: WHAT inconvenient truths?
29 Jun 2009, 21:57 pm
God I feel sorry for you guys that you have that muppit as a coach and i thought henry puts his foot in it sometimes!!
The boks have the making of a good team and this years tri nations is anyones to be had, however sadly with this guy in charge it could be another last place. The team would actually play better with no coaching staff or management.
29 Jun 2009, 21:57 pm
#589 BULLET: Nope, Saffa living in the queens country, how about you?
I can’t read the papers this side anymore. Makes me want to scream. Schalk Burger is the biggest villan in the world according to them, but they forget how they pleaded Quinlann’s case, coz he was selected for the Lions. Keo and fellow writers are not a patch to those poison pens.
29 Jun 2009, 21:57 pm
#593 BULLET: Lord Chancellor, Sir Charlie Nappie….Irish gentry.
29 Jun 2009, 21:58 pm
JEAN-JACQUES,
What instances are you referring to? General play being questionable, or have you found him to be guilty of repeated dirty play?
29 Jun 2009, 21:58 pm
#588 Sir_Charles_Napier: you kmow thousands of english speaking south africans?
thousands?
btw, 3 tries to 1 in the last test mate.
suck on it.
29 Jun 2009, 21:58 pm
Tackler – what time is it in NZ? lunchtime for the plumbers would be my guess
29 Jun 2009, 21:59 pm
#597 goyougoodthing2: Who’s going to win?
29 Jun 2009, 21:59 pm
#596 jean-jacques: huh?? Do you actually watch any rugby
29 Jun 2009, 22:00 pm
#605 Slappes: You think he wash up before he digs in??
29 Jun 2009, 22:00 pm
#600 hawkes: ja, the AB’s seem quite capable of putting italy away too.
good on them.
29 Jun 2009, 22:01 pm
All NH rugby teams got a good hiding the last couple of weeks
29 Jun 2009, 22:02 pm
#596 jean-jacques: anyone would think Schalla had murdered someone people are quick to forget what a brilliant player he has been, i still think he has some brilliance in him just out of form like habana was, c’mon rugby is rugby, I’ve seen the reruns over and over his finger was not in the eye but on the cheek. Lots of rugby players have done worse ffs.
29 Jun 2009, 22:03 pm
#609 rangerman: True i am not saying we will win it i was discussing PDV??
29 Jun 2009, 22:03 pm
LOSERER,
Queen’s country myself.
At work today, I was cornered by a few locals who sought delight in pointing out the Schalk Burger incident. I questioned weather or not they thought that Sheridan’s punch warranted a penalty, yellow or red, and none of them could even recall the incident.
I found it amusing that they all felt that BOD was just playing hard, yet Bakkies was just plain dirty.
Apparently, when all the Lions players ran into each altercation, it was preventative instead of instigative.
The irony is that Gatland mentioned at the start of the week that the Lions will “take it to them” and “rough it up”
McGeechan is famously known for telling his players never to stand back and be intimidated, and that you need to take the game to the Boks.
They did that, they lost, and now they claim that they were injusticed.
29 Jun 2009, 22:03 pm
#596 jean-jacques: I don’t know of consistent dirty tactics, in fact the super 14 for Schalk was quite quiet, not one yellow. Maybe you just don’t like him? It’s fair enough, there’s some players I just see the negative, coz I don’t like them
29 Jun 2009, 22:03 pm
#591 BULLET: cheers
29 Jun 2009, 22:03 pm
#606 Loserer: buggar. How can you ask this so early.
I will stick with the Sharks!
29 Jun 2009, 22:04 pm
Rangerman – i got a feeling saturday will be one big slugfest?
29 Jun 2009, 22:05 pm
Schalk was hard done.
8 weeks a tough call.
29 Jun 2009, 22:06 pm
#597 goyougoodthing2: Then goget your swineflu Injections like the Rest of your Troop.
29 Jun 2009, 22:06 pm
#616 goyougoodthing2: Nooo, it has to be WP. We got the best prop in all the land
29 Jun 2009, 22:07 pm
#445 Big Hit:
***** Big Hit.
You really have gone native.
See American_Rugga’s post for a fair objective view of the game as a whole. He says in terms, amongst other things, that the Bokke’s were going for the Lions with underhand off the ball stuff from the start, but that on occassion, the Lions seemed to give as good as they got.
The eye gouging was just part and parcel of the illegal roughing up process and is shorthand for their deliberate rough house style.
You did see the game and read the Lion’s players comments about all the off the ball stuff didn’t you? Also, do you really think Burger should have stayed on the pitch for that deliberate gouging? Fitszy was incredibly fortunate he was able to get Burgers hands off his eyes or he could very well have been blinded. It is as serious as that. I can’t believe you are making light of it.
29 Jun 2009, 22:07 pm
LOSERER
29 Jun 2009, 22:08 pm
Loserer – I doubted
29 Jun 2009, 22:09 pm
#621 Sir_Charles_Napier: Cry baby……
29 Jun 2009, 22:09 pm
bullet, he’ been penalised since those days, it’s always been limit to brutality, can you imagine eye-gouging somebody during a game.what sort of mentality is that.it’s sad he could have been a great player.he obviously does not have it upstairs, that the problem, confirmed villian.
29 Jun 2009, 22:09 pm
SIR_CHARLES_NAPIER,
Are these your thoughts? Do you believe that the Boks were trying to use dirty underhand tactics from the start?
29 Jun 2009, 22:10 pm
#613 BULLET: Yup, it all started when O’Driscoll started flapping about like a silly little girl, shouting bring it on. Did they honestly think it would unsettle the boks?
Motormouth Gatland drilled them into playing a style that is very physical and not very familiar to them. That’s why they started dropping off like flies. The body is not used to that. On the udder hand you got the boks playing the kiwis and aussies week in week out, so no big deal.
29 Jun 2009, 22:10 pm
ok i’m off to watch the rerun of our sweet victory, the way the poms have been behaving on and off the field I hope we fk them up on Sat good and proper. cheers people
29 Jun 2009, 22:12 pm
JEAN-JACQUES,
From my memory, Schalk Burger has been guilty of swinging arm high tackles, nothing more really. I totally agree that his tackles in the past have warranted a few yellow’s. His overzealous tackling needed to be curtailed. That said, I have never thought of him as dirty.
I also only see internationals, hardly get provincial games televised here, so you may probably have more exposure than me.
I hardly think that he should have the book thrown at him with a life ban as you suggest, but a 6 month ban would not have been too harsh, or too lenient.
29 Jun 2009, 22:12 pm
#621 Sir_Charles_Napier:
LOL
“native”
cracker.
29 Jun 2009, 22:12 pm
#625 jean-jacques: you honesty think Burger decided to celebrate his 50th with an eye gouge and a 8 week ban??
29 Jun 2009, 22:12 pm
#613 BULLET: Sounds like all the Pomms here
29 Jun 2009, 22:13 pm
#621 Sir_Charles_Napier: Just read American rugga’s post. He says both sides were doing it and he is correct. Apart from that first minute, nothing serious went on. Burger should’ve walked but that was a mistake by the officials.
29 Jun 2009, 22:14 pm
#621 Sir_Charles_Napier:
Thats because he has three items he can never back down on
1 The world domination of rugby by england
2 To grease up every south african he can on this site.
3 To hate anything NZ.
29 Jun 2009, 22:14 pm
#629 BULLET:
Has anyone seen what Fitzgerald looks like?
Sounds like he has been mauled to death.
29 Jun 2009, 22:15 pm
Sir Charlie big ears – rather concern yourself with Camilla. As a wise man once said – This is rugby, not Ballet.
29 Jun 2009, 22:15 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8125090.stm
HELIUM TELLS IT LIKE IT IS !!!!
fnally someone speaks up for schalla when the whole world is against him including some bokke fans
29 Jun 2009, 22:15 pm
#633 Big Hit: Hi Big, you enjoying the heat wave??
29 Jun 2009, 22:16 pm
#478 carol:
Hi Carol, A fantastic story, which of the players did you speak to? and which apologised to you?
29 Jun 2009, 22:16 pm
LOSERER,
I thought it started a little earlier than that, I was under the impression that we were in for an interresting afternoon in the 3rd minute, when Matfield held a Lions player, whistle went, Matfield then released and pushed the player. The player turned around and pushed Matfield back. (Perfectly fair). BOD then ran in from the side, pushed at Matfield’s face. Thereafter, another 2 Lions joined before the Boks joined in.
It started turning into a farce. A farce that could have been avoided if the referee at that stage did his job. He should have penalised against the third party from joining the situation. That would have been against BOD.
However, the ref was a bit nervous to control the game. He should have red carded Schalk. You cannot yellow card an eye gouge, wether you saw it or not. If he agreed to give the yellow on the basis of an eye gouge, he should have had the balls to give the red within the confines of the law.
29 Jun 2009, 22:17 pm
#634 hawkes: I see NZ got blamed for Hine’s citing? You bugger can just not do anything right!
29 Jun 2009, 22:17 pm
#636 Slappes:
That line is jogging my memory.
Must of been a long time ago.
29 Jun 2009, 22:18 pm
#11 Sir_Charles_Napier: Hello Sir Charles. I hear what you saying however regarding the heavy debate you’ve had on this thread you never answered blog 51.
What about the professional transgressions of the Lions players? You have not once acknowledged this. I think it would be fair to reflect to some extent on both sides.
It really has been a tough encounter with everything in it. I know it’s hard to loose. The boks have lost really badly at times and sometimes a lot too. It’s a pity about all the slandering that goes on here, and that we cannot celebrate a successful and hard fought series on both sides.
I am sure next week will be another exhausting encounter!
29 Jun 2009, 22:20 pm
#643 williambd:
Next week, massive.
You think this is a cesspool.
Just wait.
29 Jun 2009, 22:21 pm
#633 Big Hit:
He also says in terms that it was clear that the Bokke players were instigated it and that the Lions were merely standing their ground.
You have glossed over rather a lot. Are you sure you have not moved to Snorville and changed your name to Japie?
29 Jun 2009, 22:21 pm
#640 BULLET: I had such respect for BOD and Irish rugby, but I’m sorry, I just can’t stand them anymore. The sheer arrogance and sence of entitlement is astonishing. Me thinks the Lions should just tour the home nations, nowhere else is obviously good enough for them. I was looking so forward to this tour, but it has left a bit of a yucky taste in the mouth
29 Jun 2009, 22:21 pm
Johannesburg – South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins and national coach Peter de Villiers on Monday apologised for comments that followed Saturday’s Test against the British and Irish Lions at Loftus Versfeld.
De Villiers while defending Schalk Burger, who was banned for eight weeks after being found guilty of eye gouging, made comments that outraged media at home and abroad.
SARU now wants to make it clear that under no circumstance does the organisation condone eye gouging after appearing to give off that impression.
Burger was charged with making contact with Lions winger Luke Fitzgerald’s face only 32 seconds into his 50th appearance for the Springboks. He was subsequently yellow carded.
Hoskins and De Villiers jointly condemned all acts of foul play and sent out a clear message that such acts would not be tolerated in South African rugby.
“We would like to apologise to the rugby community for the erroneous impression that acts of foul play are in any way condoned by South African rugby,” said Hoskins.
“That has never been the case and is not now, and we support strong action by rugby authorities when such acts occur. Rugby is a physical game and a hard game but it is a game that rightly prides itself on good sportsmanship and we as SARU categorically condemn any such action. SARU fully supports any action that the IRB feels appropriate to stamp out eye gouging in the game.”
De Villiers added that as Springbok coach he stood against play that was not in the spirit of the game. “Eye-gouging is something that we as a team will never be part of,” he said.
“The same applies to biting, head-butting, spear tackling or any other foul play that doesn’t belong in the game.”
“My comments on Saturday were based on what I know of Schalk Burger as a player and not on what occurred. It was never my intention to suggest that I condone foul play – that is the last thing I would ever do and I apologise for creating any other impression.”
29 Jun 2009, 22:21 pm
#637 mbaxman93: Listening to that I don’t know what all the who ha is about.
Understand the context of what he is saying and it makes a lot of sense. I judged him to quickly this time.
29 Jun 2009, 22:22 pm
Chaps,
I need to go. Enjoy the rest of the evening. I am looking forward to meeting this Tackler fellow who everybody speaks so highly of.
BULLET
29 Jun 2009, 22:23 pm
#645 Sir_Charles_Napier: Instigating what though? nothing actually happened (Burger’s madness aside)
29 Jun 2009, 22:23 pm
Jondood –
29 Jun 2009, 22:25 pm
#649 BULLET: He is like a sperm donor, dash in, deposit, run without sticking around for the consequences…
29 Jun 2009, 22:28 pm
#646 Loserer: the host nation usually want the Lions to come, it creates much tourist interest and generates profit. Argentina for example are desperate to play the Lions.
#638 Loserer: too humid
29 Jun 2009, 22:30 pm
this thread is for me one of the best examples of gutter reporting – can’t call it journalism, i’ve got lots of friends who are journalists & i can’t degrade their profession by likening this k@k to their endeavours -i’ve witnessed in a long time, my goodness ryan!
After reading other news sources that carried the verbatim transcript of pdv’s media breifing, i’m digusted by the thought that i contribute to the money that mark keohane & his @rseholes makes through the hits on this blog!
Forget the british hacks, i can understand they’re their vitriol. But for these mercenaries that always call saffas traitors for supporting the All Blacks, to orchestrate a character assassination campaign on our own coach is just base, very low.
Pdv pisses me off sometimes but he doesn’t deserve this!
Ryan, expect a call from a producer @ a national radio station tomorrow or wednesday, they’re doing a feature on the series win & i’ve forwarded them all the threads you guys have posted since saturday, should be interesting
Rha! Iyandicaphukisa ke le-thread!
29 Jun 2009, 22:30 pm
#645 Sir_Charles_Napier: ..have a look at your tosser journos on this link
I mean what was the journo thinking to give Shaw a hug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9-WejPDRyY
29 Jun 2009, 22:33 pm
#655 JL1: that interviewer is a twat, he’s the same guy who gave MJ the grilling last year.
29 Jun 2009, 22:36 pm
#656 Big Hit: they should get rid of him, he stands in the tunnel hiding from the action and then wants to get reaction and hand out hugs to rugby players, I felt sorry and cringed when I saw that
29 Jun 2009, 22:36 pm
#656 Big Hit: I remember, he shows no respect
29 Jun 2009, 22:38 pm
#657 JL1: yeah he’s a fake, football style bandwagoner.
29 Jun 2009, 22:41 pm
#659 Big Hit: Graham Simmonds and Miles Harrison-what makes them knowledgeable on the game? They are one eyed sensationalists
29 Jun 2009, 22:42 pm
AS a proud Saffer i proudly say this … Vrede and Keo have really lost the plot for all objectivity. They are so enraged that Div (with all his madness and “uniqueness”) is still there when they thought that their little vendettas would gather mass and support from millions of South Africans, and ultimately overthrow the coach.
I know Div can say stupid things, but if you read what he ACTUALLy said … he supports his player in that he knows who he really is – but does NOT condone the act!! Burger deserves to be out of action for 1 year minimum – but this doesn’t differ to anyone supporting a family member who breaks the law (stealing, fighting, drunk driving etc), gets caught and does time. It’s a stupid mistake but do we not still love them?!
Burger is part of the Bok family and Div has known him for years – get some perspective Vrede the Vrot Vark!!
Your overt hatred for our coach is seriously clouding your journalistic integrity! Grow up!!
29 Jun 2009, 22:46 pm
#660 JL1: agree, Barnes has played the game but he isn’t much better. Another twat.
29 Jun 2009, 22:51 pm
#660 JL1: it’s painful listening to Miles Harison…
29 Jun 2009, 22:51 pm
#546 byoboy:
A case in point.
29 Jun 2009, 22:52 pm
#654 Transformation:
I must agree (and I am a fierce critic of Pieter) that this is a manipulation that reflects badly on the journo involved.
I have read other reports on the interview and I have also watched Pieter’s interview with SuperRugby afterwards and he was NOT condoning gouging – he was commenting on ‘how he knows Schalk’ and what he would normally expect of him, which is quite something else. In that interview he also commented on Bakkie’s citing and punishment and I agree fully with his sentiments on that matter.
I’m sorry Ryan, but in future I will have a nagging doubt about anything second-hand I hear from you!
I do not know whether an apology will work here, but I think you should give it a shot!
29 Jun 2009, 22:53 pm
#663 Loserer: There must be better ones here, Miles cannot be the best that they have
29 Jun 2009, 22:56 pm
what kind of nonsense is this of journalists offering players hugs? Wtf is going on people? I remember thami mazwai, who owns a publishing house himself, saying in an interview, that “objectivity is a fallacy”. He was berated by journalists & media people all around south africa…rafa benitez & mourinho have always treated english journos with disdain, now i know why…
They’re bloody hugging players in interviews!
29 Jun 2009, 22:57 pm
#666 JL1: The first test was the worst! I swear, the first 60 min, it sounded like he was commenting on a State Funeral and when he gets exited it’s hard to hear what he’s saying, voice goes higher the more excited he gets.
Must say, Stuart Barnes try to be objective though, does not always work, but at least he tries
29 Jun 2009, 22:58 pm
Ryan just admit it, you’ll be so much happier if the bok coach was white. I mean the guy just won the lions series but a few days later ryan calls him disgraceful.
29 Jun 2009, 22:59 pm
#667 Transformation: As hard as I try, I just cannot envisage Kobus Wiese giving Bakkies a hug…lol
29 Jun 2009, 23:01 pm
Pdv’s mother tongue is afrikaans. Rudolph straeli didnt do a great job himself when it came to being interviewed in english. Just judge the man for performances on the field, not off it.
29 Jun 2009, 23:01 pm
#611 byoboy:
you have to be kidding me!
So my 50 inch plasma with HD signal coming from sky sport was wrong then.Did the rest of the world intercept the signal and computerized Schalks finger from the guys cheek and pasted it into his eye?
Some of you guys need to get over it,waste of time trying to see something when you cant accept that he did have his fingers in someones eyes.He has been banned end off story.
29 Jun 2009, 23:02 pm
#668 Loserer: I reckon Stuart Barnes is in love with FDP, he just cannot shut up about him
Anyhow, outta here
29 Jun 2009, 23:03 pm
Ryan just Do what comes Natural to the *************.He cannot help himSelf.
29 Jun 2009, 23:03 pm
Keo
Lest you think that Ryan’s stirring of the hornets’ nest and the resulting 700-ish posts, is an example of ‘job well done’ … pause to think ‘at what cost’ …
1 – Cost to Ryan’s credibility/journalistic integrity (it is now zip)
2 – Cost to keo.co.za’s standing in journalism
3 – Cost to Pieter De Villiers – albeit that he can often shoot himself in the foot – let him do it … not you!
This was no good …
29 Jun 2009, 23:05 pm
#595 rangerman:
Certainly am Dutchie
29 Jun 2009, 23:08 pm
lol i just loved the pdv interview on espn. how can he be the weak link if hes nt even on the field of play.
29 Jun 2009, 23:09 pm
Ryan Vrede
You are disgraceful. Where is your support?I hope you dont call yourself a bok supporter. Peter de Villiers doesn’t deserve this **** from you and the other journalist who are against him. Yes, he doest say the right things at times but from the start of his bok coaching career, the journalist have been out to get him because he is different. He just won the British Lions series win for god sake. He has a better under 21 record then Jake White and he won at the House of pain, which Jake could never achieve. He is actually doing will. He backs his players 100%, even if they are not doing will. We won the game and the series. What more do you want?
Why don’t you right how sour the lions coach was about the lost. Peter de Villiers is doing a great job. He obviously got the players trust and confidence, as they are still winning games. Basically, Peter de Villiers is better than some of the coaches we had, aka Rudolf Straulie, Harry Viljoen, Carel du plessis(who lost the previous lions series in 1997) and others. I am sorry but winning is winning.
I dont care how you he does it, but if the bokke, have more points on the board then the other team, at the end of the game, then I am happy.
We just beat the British & Lions team. Lets not forget that this team has been beating everyone in SA(except the draw against the emerging boks) and we didn’t even have as many warm up games as they did. That is something special:-)
29 Jun 2009, 23:10 pm
#672 Hurricane: hey why you have a 50″ and I must make do with a 32″??
29 Jun 2009, 23:14 pm
Ryan Vrede
You are disgraceful. Where is your support?I hope you dont call yourself a bok supporter. Peter de Villiers doesn’t deserve this **** from you and the other journalist who are against him. Yes, he doest say the right things at times but from the start of his bok coaching career, the journalist have been out to get him because he is different. He just won the British Lions series win for god sake. He has a better under 21 record then Jake White and he won at the House of pain, which Jake could never achieve. He is actually doing well. He backs his players 100%, even if they are not doing well. We won the game and the series. What more do you want?
Why don’t you write how sour the lions coach was about the lost. Peter de Villiers is doing a great job. He obviously got the players trust and confidence, as they are still winning games. Basically, Peter de Villiers is better than some of the coaches we had, aka Rudolf Straulie, Harry Viljoen, Carel du plessis(who lost the previous lions series in 1997) and others. I am sorry but winning is winning.
I dont care how he does it, but if the bokke, have more points on the board then the other team, at the end of the game, then I am happy.
We just beat the British & Lions team. Lets not forget that this team has been beating everyone in SA(except the draw against the emerging boks) and we didn’t even have as many warm up games as they did. That is something special:-)
29 Jun 2009, 23:15 pm
To sum this all up, here are the facts:
1.) It was an eye gouge and Burger was lucky to only get 8 weeks. I would prefer not to see him in a Springbok jersey again.
2.) PdV is not nearly as bad as some on this blog, journalists included, try to make him out to be.
3.) Jones was unlucky that he was in such a position that his shoulder got dislocated when Bakkies hit him. I have seen many, many similar clearouts around the ruck during the S14.
4.) The Lions are not so innocent when it comes to niggles off the ball, even though they try their best to come off as little angels.
5.) I hope McGeechan accepts the offer to coach a SA S14 side next season. I think he is a great coach.
6.) **** Muir is overrated and PdV can get better assistance from other coaches in the country.
Disclaimer: When I say these are facts, that of course means they are, but only to me
29 Jun 2009, 23:15 pm
#604 rangerman:
Yes, thousands. I have lots of family in Zim and S.A. too.
They all support S.A. but they don’t advocate testical biting, eye-gouging and other win at all cost thuggery.
29 Jun 2009, 23:15 pm
Who do you guy’s think will be irb coach of the year if the boks win the world cup? I bet you keo ******* wil stil b talking kak, i dnt even know why i bother coming here.
29 Jun 2009, 23:17 pm
#626 BULLET:
Yes.
29 Jun 2009, 23:19 pm
i advocate winning matches. back in the old days this sort of tough rugby was the norm. pdv is just a old school rugby brain.
29 Jun 2009, 23:22 pm
the gouge was bad, Burger was stupid, i dont know what he was thinking, 8 weeks is deserved, and i can only hope it was not intentional. he needs to evlauate in his time off, he is a great player and does not need to do that.
29 Jun 2009, 23:26 pm
#669 Wezwp: “disgraceful” for what? For standing up for schalk’s character?!!! He of the “auras” & “presence”!
In what part of the fabled ANC manual is it written that PdV must face-off with british journalists & vouch for schalk burger’s character?
When it was ricky, he was called a racist & the president’s council wants an inquisition, when it is schalk he is a disgrace…pdv must just hammer & k@k on his players & call them all sorts of things, yet when Beast annihilates Vickery, mcgeechan is not expected to call him ****, it’s supposedly okay for o’connell, mcgeechan & the rest of the lions coaching staff to blame bryce lawrence instead!
These lions must **** off home & take keo & his boot lickers with them! We can do without their nonsense in this country…
29 Jun 2009, 23:28 pm
#650 Big Hit:
Big Hit, i will ask the same questions again, did you not watch the game or read/see the interviews with the Lions players in which they detailed the litany of Bokke underhand thuggery?
Mate, I am worried about you, you are clearing developing ‘Dutchm@n myopia’. It will be Dutchm@n paranoia and uncontrolled fits of violance next.
29 Jun 2009, 23:30 pm
#631 Loserer:
He clearly didn’t think at the time that he would get caught.
29 Jun 2009, 23:32 pm
#688 Sir_Charles_Napier:
he did watch the game and correctly pointed out the gouge was not acceptable.
but he aint a bitcher like the rest of you.
29 Jun 2009, 23:32 pm
Fact is PdV stood up for his players. Based on what Schalk told him he defended him in the media. If Schalk lied to his coach who is to blame ?
I can’t stand Ryan Vrede. He is a piss poor journalist that quotes selectively in his shameless vendetta against our national coach. Here is a slightly different version of what PdV said that can be found at http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=4&art_id=nw20090629140820112C742874&set_id=
“We haven’t seen the full report yet, and until we do, we will not comment on it,” said De Villiers, before immediately commenting on it.
“I watched the TV footage, I’m still convinced that there was nothing he did on purpose. When he saw the footage himself he was shocked at how bad it looked.
“We will never, ever encourage anyone to be negative or bring the game into disrepute. If you know Schalk’s nature as a player and a man, to go to those sort of measures to prove he is the boss in a game, well, I don’t think he did it.
“We don’t believe in anything that is against the spirit of the game – headbutting, biting, spear tackling. We want this game to be the biggest nation-building tool.”
Pushed on his denial of what appears to be quite clear-cut evidence against Burger, De Villiers bit back at the large press contingent.
“Some of us have a hearing problem. We have systems, even if you don’t. I said we stand as a group and are waiting for the report. Let me tell you, if you look at the footage properly, and you know the man then you will know why I said what I said.”
29 Jun 2009, 23:34 pm
DISGRACEFUL RYAN “doos” Vrede. I think he probably wants a job in the uk, thats why hes siding with them.
29 Jun 2009, 23:34 pm
Pay your taxes PdV
Pay your taxes
29 Jun 2009, 23:35 pm
#659 Big Hit:
Agreed.
29 Jun 2009, 23:37 pm
He payed his taxes by doing what carel couldnt do.
29 Jun 2009, 23:38 pm
If anything,
The appointment of PdV has provided great insight into the psyche of the current South African rugby supporter
It has surely brought to the fore the best and worst of many
29 Jun 2009, 23:38 pm
#687 Transformation:
“These lions must **** off home & take keo & his boot lickers with them! We can do without their nonsense in this country…”
I’m not someone that often agrees with you often but in this case I feel the same. Keo and his national coach bashing company makes me want to puke. Had PdV lost this series they would have blamed him, now that we have won they attribute it to the players. It is f@cking disgraceful hypocrisy to say the least.
29 Jun 2009, 23:42 pm
i agree it pissess me off. its blatant racism. 99% of sa rugby supporters didnt go to bishops, grey etc like you guys. You not better than player 23 keo and company.
29 Jun 2009, 23:44 pm
Karma can be a biiitch ryan. Remember what happened to the guy that said there was a pdv *** tape.
29 Jun 2009, 23:51 pm
#688 Sir_Charles_Napier: I read one interview criticising the ‘underhand Bok tactics’ from Mike Phillips, forgive me if I don’t take Phillips’s word as gospel. As I seen it, the Lions gave as good as they got.
I think some of us need to take a deep breath, recognise we lost to a better team, accept the result and consider ourselves privileged to have witnessed what some are calling the greatest test match of all time.
Looking forward to the 3rd test, if it’s half as good as the first two we’re in for another classic.
29 Jun 2009, 23:52 pm
Sack Snor ….bring in Alan Solomons and Heynecke Meyer….he is a liability with no gameplan….is he the Joker from Batman ?
29 Jun 2009, 23:53 pm
#682 Sir_Charles_Napier:
“The best way to quiet a country is a good thrashing, followed by great kindness afterwards. Even the wildest chaps are thus tamed” Sir Charles James Napier (Wikipedia)
It must really irritate you when us natives don’t bow to your feeble attempts at subjugation. We do not even show enough gratitude and humility to your esteemed Lions for gracing us with your presence.
You must be really looking forward to going back to civilisation next week! Just keep up the face-saving retreat, you would not want to look like YOU got thrashed hey …
29 Jun 2009, 23:56 pm
Big Hit
Hats off to you,well said !
30 Jun 2009, 00:02 am
#700 Big Hit: Big Hit, I respect rugby loving supporters like yourself. And I too hope for a great test on Saturday.
But just now, after reading pieces by people like Nick Cain and Stephen Jones, I realise that the only way the Boks will ever get some respect from the British media is, if they do win, then they need to absolutely thrash the Lions on Saturday.
But anyway, best of luck to you and your fellow Lions supporters. May the best team win!
30 Jun 2009, 00:03 am
#697 klingon_x:klingon, the fact that me ‘ you don’t agree on a rugby blog doesn’t mean i can’t support your efforts to make south africa better, it certainly doesn’t mean i will use whatever advantage i have to see you fail just because i don’t like your face…
These keo guys are no different to the barry tannebaums or allen stanfords of this world who run ponzi schemes
#693 saffa_guy: i agree, he is certainly paying them & sum! I just got back from jo’burg, watched the confed cup final last night with south africans of all hues & how proud everyone was of the event & people who would normally berate bafana actually wearing & discussing the football was encouraging to me…
Then this pea-brain ryan, who can’t even spell & makes more grammatical errors than i do, thinks it’s fine to slander our springbok coach? Jeepuz he has another thing coming…
I’m never ever buying another SA Rugby magazine, ever!
30 Jun 2009, 00:09 am
Let’s face it….the Brits are the best in the world at turning defeat into couragous heroism and blaming rotten luck.
Mallory?
Scott?
70,86,90?
Lions 2009
No doubt the ashes this summer?
murray in a few days?
Worldcup 2010?
oh and if it looked as if it could not get any worse…. their herioc U21 footballers(led by the most heroic loser of them all-Stuart Pierce)….just got dicked 4-0 in the final by the Germans,Again!
30 Jun 2009, 00:17 am
I believe that PdV has a point. It is is not his job to be worried about the venom that the press puts out (you too Ryan). It is his job to win. And as long as he keeps doing that, I will be happy. And his attitude is also keeping the press on their toes – pressmen have long been known to be slack and useless people that dont pay attention.
As a coach, he is saying that despite the TV evidence showing that Schalk’s hands were by Fitzgerald’s eyes, he was not eye gouging – they were just there as part of Schalks grip to clean him out. And he is basing that on his faith in Schalk’s character.
He cannot do otherwise can he? He is hardly going to condemn his own player in the press is he? Especially if he is trying to get his players to show faith in him, and to bond them as a unit. he will be coaching thsi playr of ryears to come, and is NOT going to show lack of faith in the player in public.
Perhaps the press were just too dumb to understand this? Perhaps the press are not man mangers and hae no idea what is required of an international coach?
#672 Hurricane: PdV was not saying it was not in his eye- he was saying that it was there coincidentally, with no intention to do damage from Schalk. Whether or not it is or looks like total **** is not the point. He HAS to back his player and back the character of his player. If Shalk did intend to do damage then he should be ahshamed of himself, and needs to have a deep look inside himself whether he deserves to be in that squad. He should even consider withdrawing himself until his mind and body is right. It clearly is not in terms of his play right now either.
To be fair to Schalk, he had never been dirty before. He has yellow cards before, but from professional fousl, not dirty play.
30 Jun 2009, 00:24 am
I just saw the PdV interview. And i am ashamed of some of the things I attributed to the man based on this article. PdV spoke with passion and was selectively quoted. Keo’s boys, you were doing a hatchet job here and I want nothign to do with it. For once I opened my eyes and saw the evidence. The interview was fine. Apoligies Div. My bad.
30 Jun 2009, 00:25 am
#679 Loserer:
lol
Yeah the 32 inch is in the room for my x box
30 Jun 2009, 00:30 am
#701 Big Hit:
Crikey Big Hit, you really have gone native and are suffering from Yarpie myopia. Could you not see with your own eyes what was going on? and that it corroborated what the other lion players were saying? Next it will be the Dutchm@n random fits of violance and constant paranoia.
So Janie from Snorville it is.
30 Jun 2009, 00:31 am
#681 Moerig: One of the sanest posts I have seen on here for days…mine included!
30 Jun 2009, 00:36 am
#701 wpforever:
F’off twit *** ********
PdV is the greatest coach this country has seen yet by a country mile, and whats more the senior players will vouch for it without a doubt, and most of you will be bowing at his feet by end of this years tri nations
Just watch, bear and witness, the entire bang shoot of nay saying derogatory twat assed keo bandwagoners are all going to be bowing and scraping their lily white yellow bellied Whitey white White and Blue eyed Heyneke Meyer heads to PdV the greatest coach that the Springboks have ever seen yet, in the very near future.
You can take that one to the bank.
30 Jun 2009, 00:38 am
I have not been much of a PdV fan but his interview was a lot better than this article. His players will like him for standing up for them and the Boks pride. People are wondering why Ryan and Keo have so climbed on PdV..it’s because he gave the journos hell, he called them for the cheap shots they give. They hate that. Never ever do anything but praise journos. Come on Snor, get with the program!
PdV has made some daft decisions, and good ones. The fightback of the Boks in the 2nd half of the 2nd Test is awesome…watch the video. PdV shares some praise for this success, after all the Boks are not robots so glory should be split between players and coaches. I for one think we should cut PdV some slack and I am trying to see him in a better way.
30 Jun 2009, 00:39 am
#707 St.Petersburgbok:
Lol! Mr kettle calling Mr Pot! if i hear one more reference to heroic Boer irregulars fighting a brave but futile war against the Poms i will vomit.
Let’s face, you declared war on the Poms when you had a 6 – 1 advantage (12,000 Pom soldiers and 60,000 Boer commandos) and got fvcked.
If i remember right, less than a score years later the Irish won their freedom against the Poms.
Who are the pussi@s?
30 Jun 2009, 00:40 am
A Bok team with Heynecke Meyer head coach.
Forwards coach Nick Mallet
Backs coach Alan Solomons
Technical Analyst Jake White !
30 Jun 2009, 00:43 am
#715 wpforever: Good god with Alan Solomons there you would never win a match and Nick Mallet would fire the Captain just before the tri-Nations!
30 Jun 2009, 00:44 am
Skopskiet grow up,you and i have never had any dealings so why the foul language,you will be reported,its good to know people in Highbury Safika media !
30 Jun 2009, 00:46 am
#713 peterg123:
Keo and his cronies are in bed with the previous outgoing regime, it is within their absolute derogatory agenda to discredit and disparage this coach and his character to their utmost contempt because he represents to them a success and a winning personality that is slowly showing up the previous delinquent for the crass toss pot fool he actually was, and is slowly also proving he is by far a damn site better coach than the last idiosyncratic dictatorial nincompoop was in the clear light of day.
They actually would prefer he lost so that they could succeed in their underhand divisive agendas, but so far the character of the man and the character of HIS players and HIS team has pulled through despite every negating and divisive sentiment and agenda going, on this site and in this countries highly ideologically and divisive driven media throughout.
The mans a winner, and he’s going to show them all, they going to all be eating out of the palms of his hands before too very long, watch.
30 Jun 2009, 00:46 am
Peter G Alan Solomons has a great track record !
30 Jun 2009, 00:48 am
#717 wpforever: Skop’s abuse is actually almost like poetry, rap or a stream of conciousness, the flow of a great river, bursting and swirling and churning to get out. But the river is composed of sewage! When he is sober he writes very well.
30 Jun 2009, 00:49 am
#719 wpforever: Not with the Boks when I saw it. Yes maybe with WP..and he sure fired up the Kings!
30 Jun 2009, 00:49 am
#717 wpforever:
go jump in the lake loser, take a long hike, Jake, (and Heyneke, and Solomons) and his lily white divisive ideological cronies are history, thank the living god.
30 Jun 2009, 00:51 am
Snotskiet…Snor should play the banjo at Hartleyvale for the Cape Coons…”hier kom die Alibama”….and while you at it Skoppie,sit neer jou tik pipe,put on your minstral jacket….jy med die gap in jou bek…..now see who can take that one to the bank
ps
F’off twit *** ********
30 Jun 2009, 00:52 am
…and Mallet and Drotske and Erasmus and Christie and Du Plessis and Craven and Strauli and…………………….???? What was the name of that first 1894 Bok coach against the lions?
30 Jun 2009, 00:53 am
bwahahahahaha
30 Jun 2009, 00:54 am
Gentlemen…some wit in your swords will turn them to rapiers..come on now WP and Skop!
30 Jun 2009, 00:59 am
PETERG123
Yes he sure fired up the Kings !
30 Jun 2009, 00:59 am
#725 wpforever: Skop is right, they, those blue=eyed devil faced coaches are history swept away in their white pea-brained awfulness by the tsunami of Snor’s gem like brilliance, sparkling like the finest Kimberly stones, as before him he pushes aside the debris of 105 yaers on dim white-witted clods who should all move to Australia and the sooner the bbetter the dumbwits…… etc etc etc..
Hey I can do it too..but admittedly not in Afrikaans.
30 Jun 2009, 01:03 am
punkass south african white supremicists are what they are, you can take the snot nosed ideologically driven delinquent out of the country, that you can do, but you can not take the denial driven debauched racist out of the south african that is bred with it in his blood, no way in hell, he will die with that poison in his blood. As he spews it here, it riddles his lily white racially bigoted mind, some will see it and others will not, but believe me its there, in all its hell bent fury of hatred it exists like in this WPforever ******** till it dies its debauched sickening death.
30 Jun 2009, 01:04 am
Sleep well Skop and WP. May the Boks deliver an almighty thrashing on Saturday
30 Jun 2009, 01:04 am
PETERG123….Sometimes one has to lower yourself to the levels of the rude and uncouth to get your point across…SNOTSKIET will get hammered in English,Afrikaans,Norwegian,Swedish and Icelandic….now i am just getting warmed up
Sorry for that little distraction,which team do you support Peter G
30 Jun 2009, 01:05 am
#728 peterg123:
thank you, they are history, thank the living god of progressive rugby, we on a winning streak to eternity here with PdV at the helm.
30 Jun 2009, 01:07 am
SNOTSKIET wipe your mouth….its brown covered in *****,dis lekker in die Vlaktes ne
30 Jun 2009, 01:08 am
Well I support the Bulls and Cheetahs but I am not a Saffer and live in nairobi..I will support any SA team but those I like
30 Jun 2009, 01:11 am
#733 wpforever: I think the Cheetahs can play great risky rugby and are a small union, so they have my heart, but the Bulls have become a great franchise and recently combine traditional SA power rugby with lethal open play and counterattacks. I have supported the Boks for many years and travelled to see my first test last weekend.
30 Jun 2009, 01:11 am
Peter G
The Kenyan sevens side seem to be doing well.Are you close to the rugby scene there,the vibe seems just magic
30 Jun 2009, 01:13 am
Good one PETERG,hope you had a great experience and hope you get to see many more games
30 Jun 2009, 01:14 am
#729 skopskiet: Are you a mnister Skop – because you spout the same meaningless nonsense that they do.
30 Jun 2009, 01:15 am
And for Skop’s benefit I was not the greatest JW fan. He lacked imagination but I admire that he only had one real aim, the RWC, and dammit he (and others) made it happen.
30 Jun 2009, 01:16 am
Yes PETER the Cheetahs have always played good running rugby,from way back when they were the Orange Free State,a smaller union with great schools
30 Jun 2009, 01:17 am
Media muppet by a media puooet. Rugby is a contact sport, full stop and good on Schalk letting the world know he played 50 tests for the Boks, what a guy!!
I was not a snor fan, but let’s face it, British media is in dirty mode like they always do, they want to win the last test by destracting what really maatters, farking bad loosers as usual, scorching earth is the next step isn’t it. Let’s face it, it is 2-0 for the springboks and we will make it 3-0. Go destroy the Lions this weekend Bokke!! That should be the sole focus.
30 Jun 2009, 01:18 am
#736 wpforever: I was a club chairman and juniors coach for many years. Yes the Sevens is doing so well, and all totally without help from outside..just kenyans doing their thing. The vibe at the Safari Sevens has to be experienced to be believed! The beer..the babes..the rugger. Kenya totally smoked the Emerging Boks 41-12, they have moved into the senior 7′s league and it can only go well…but it has taken years of work.
30 Jun 2009, 01:19 am
#151 Skabenga: But that’s great! At least the aholes pinned their true colours to the mast. Funny though, before reading some of the regular dicwad posters you just know which way they are going to dive. Very amusing! Proof that you can’t prevent a fool from expressing the fact – repeatedly!
Thanks for the entertainment boys.
30 Jun 2009, 01:20 am
#738 SjamBok: whats a mnister, if you asking whether I am a man of the cloth, heavens no, you got the wrong clod over here, only difference with me, is unfortunately racists are like open books, the minute they open their racially divisive indoctrinated minds up for scrutiny it gushes forth like the putrid filth that it is, pity I can’t avoid seeing it, but on here it is so forcefully obviously blatant, it is like simply standing agape and watching the garbage racial bigoted hatred come spewing like debauched indoctrination itself.
And they call themselves true South Africans this lot.
30 Jun 2009, 01:21 am
#741 Bospomp: The Britpress are scum..truly. They hope for a win on Saturday so they can say that the series was stolen by brutal boers. Same old story. However, I do admire the team. Brave and skilled players who have given it their all on this tour and come very close indeed.
30 Jun 2009, 01:23 am
#739 peterg123:
Piss easy World Cup that, any coach worth his salt would have walked that no contest thingamajig, Tonga, Fiji, Argentina, England, please man spin another one, that was a gimme second to none, nowhere near the class of a win in NZ or a 3-0 hiding of the BR.Lions, nowhere near in the same league ever.
30 Jun 2009, 01:26 am
Well I have to lead a safari to the bush tomorrow and earn back what I spent on this 2nd Test, so I had best say goodnight. I will not see the 3rd test but I think the Lions will try more of the same game, after all it has (nearly) worked..those that bare left standing, that is. I feel sorry for Bakkies..as an older rugby man his activity on the pitch seems very normal for a lock….but these are soft days. Burger should retire.. or go re-invent himself in Toulon or somewhere….
30 Jun 2009, 01:27 am
PeterG good to see your involvement with the juniors.I have seen a documentary about the rugger in Kenya,and as you say all without large funding and the locals doing it for themselves.It shows what can be done with belief,the real enjoyment out of playing and getting the game out there to the people.The future looks rosey indeed
Anyhow enjoy your early hours PeterG,i`m off to bed
Good night folks
30 Jun 2009, 01:27 am
Go listen to the live interview(on the BBC link that Bullit posted above).
I just did.
Twice.
This article is WAY off mark and not a true reflection of what the coach had said.
Hats off to PdeV for putting those British journo’s in place, somebody had to for once and for all, before they leave our hospitable shores, and the boytjie from Paarl is the very man to do it!
Respect, I say, well done PdeV! (en newwermaaind die Kaapse Engels, se hulle my bru!
30 Jun 2009, 01:28 am
#746 skopskiet: Skop, it’s useless to discuss the RWC with you but, as the All Blacks show many times, winning it is really hard no matter who you face.
30 Jun 2009, 01:28 am
For all PDV’s weaknesses (and there are plenty) he is steadfast and resolute about loyalty to his players. He will not back down and whcilst this may be driven by stupidity and ignoarance you have to hand it to him. He sat in front of the media and all they spoke about and questioned him on was Burger. No mention is made of the Series win, 160 mins of great rugby. One incident and the win is forgoetten. Having said all that and having some sympathy with the poor bloke for a number of reasons. He is in this job not becuase he is the best coach in SA – he is therefore out of his depth and probably doesn’t even realise it! He has been put in a very difficuly position and his employers are in many way to blame. Unfortunately there has been nothing to mitigate this like for example letting Muir or Gold give a few interviews. The reality is if anyone has the ballls at SARFU they will let him go quitely and congratulate him on a fine stint as coach.
30 Jun 2009, 01:31 am
#749 Pietman:
Yay somebody sees some light around here, PdV is die regte outjie, julle sal almal dit erken voorlangs, baie kortliks, watch net en herinder, hy’s die man vir die saak die klein bruin donder, hy’s meer gewikkel en gesond in sy kop as almal die heilige witte watch net, ek se jou, hy gaan julle almal laat trots voel, netnou.
30 Jun 2009, 01:31 am
En SNOTSKIET het sy pakslae van my vanaand gekry…..die klongetjie hahaha.Bobbejaan klim die berg SNOTIE…..
30 Jun 2009, 01:32 am
#749 Pietman: I totally agree and I have not been PdV’s fan but I am fast becoming one..and the players will totally love him for this, even the most old fashioned Boerish ones… if they love him, somewhat crazy though he is, they will walk on water for him and I hope they do
30 Jun 2009, 01:34 am
#753 wpforever: In jou drome diefie, jy het nie eens n clue nie, nie n heilige dom donnerse clue in hell.
30 Jun 2009, 01:35 am
Anyway I hotelled with Lions fans and they all said the test was lost by O Gara and what a right twat he was. None of the ones I spent time with blamed the Boks.
30 Jun 2009, 01:35 am
#741 Bospomp:
True.
Just check what the British media to Jake White, eg that misquote before the Irish test (that he would only had picked one Irish player for his Springbok side), stuff like that.
No, PdeV must not back down, he must lay it onto them big time.
Because once they are back in the UK they are going to slag him big time and their press and he would not have the opportunity to respond fairly.
So now is the time to ‘talk’ to them directly.
Fck them, I say.
30 Jun 2009, 01:36 am
Ok, so according to comments here and attacks from the British media South Africans are:
-Racists
-Dirty Bullies
-Disgracefull Coloniallists
-Bad Linguests
bla bla
So this is what the brits are from analysing their history:
- Scorchers, rapists and child killers
- Colonialists and race aniahalators (like on Tasmania)
- Bad loosers
- Vendictive and Kniving back stabers that cannot be trusted
- Media puppets
- Losers on the rugby fields
- Drunkards
- Invaders and Thieves abusing other nation’s resources (like OIL and Gold empire)
- Whiners and Moaners which is still evident in all British colonies
- Consentration Camp Pioneers
- Biologic weapon pioneers (remmeber smallpocks in the states??)
- Dirty character projectors
Yet they think they are the most gracefull nation on earth by their comments and attitude towards other nations. Can go on with this list the whole day.
Why don’t Saffa’s media except KEO focus on there dirty tactics, does all above matter right now, No, all that matters is 2-0 for the BOKS, DIV is right, screw the British media, He stand by his men and I like That!!
30 Jun 2009, 01:36 am
So good night and good luck to the Boks, I hope we run rings around them and at last the Britpress will shut up
30 Jun 2009, 01:38 am
#752 skopskiet:
Wie is ‘julle’ ou pel?
Praat jy van my?
Waar was jy in Februarie 2008 met Pdev se verkiesing, het jy gesien wat ek toe gese het op hierdie blog?
So nie, gaan check die argiewe.
Maar moenie met jou ‘julle’ kak by my kom nie.
30 Jun 2009, 01:39 am
#758 Bospomp:
Now, they probably wanted Pdev to hug them, like the Pom players do during media interviews.
30 Jun 2009, 01:40 am
#758 Bospomp: Hey Keo has not done much better today than the Britpress.. They are journos. The average Brit rugby fan knows the score and the truth. I bet you the Boks will have been fired up by PdV’s resolute defence of them as players.
30 Jun 2009, 01:40 am
#759 peterg123:
Cheers Pete glad to hear you had a good time at Loftus.
Pity you didn’t join Carol and the boys at the braai before the match!
30 Jun 2009, 01:41 am
I have now read most of the responses and I am startign like PDV for all the wrong reasons! Why is that? He may be playing the media more than they think and the focus is now off Burger. I reckon the players respect for him will double. Strange world this is
30 Jun 2009, 01:45 am
SNOTSKIET…..”du er en stør baviaan”…..thats in Norwegian for you china,and with that riddle i will leave you…..now run along now and mummy will make you a nice cup of MILO
Jou Doos…..ps thats S African
Pietman have a nice evening,we chat soon
Cheers
30 Jun 2009, 01:47 am
#765 wpforever:
Maak so WP-man.
Take it easy ‘little big’ brother!
30 Jun 2009, 01:48 am
#759 peterg123: so long
#760 Pietman:
Ja ek weet van jou soort aanhoudent support, ek ken dit al klaar goed, ek weet ook dat jy diep in jou gedagtes wel belowe in die ou klong van die Perel, maar dis swaar vir ‘julle’ aanhoudend vas te staan, alhoewel hy staan eerlik vas saam ‘sy’ manne, soos hy staan vas saam met Schalk, en wieookal nog, hy’s nie n draaibek soos daai ander slang Jake die heilige Snake nie, glad nie, die outjie is die ware siel van Suid Afrikaanse rugby, heeltemaal meer trots in sy liefde vir die sport en sy manne as enige van daai wittetjies soos Jake hulle ens.
Hy gaan wys al die keolings hierso, wie is die egte man van die saak, wies die baas van die springbok plaas, ja, ‘julle’ sal almal nog die waarheid mooi erken, netnou.
30 Jun 2009, 01:48 am
i now officially accept and respect PDV as the Bokke coach screw what everyone else thinks , this guy may actually know what the hell he’s doing !
30 Jun 2009, 01:50 am
#764 kesbok:
Ja another one slowly starting to see the light, before very long you all going to be eating out his hands and mark my words, you going to wonder wtf you actually saw in that charlatan fraud Jake the Fake.
30 Jun 2009, 01:52 am
#767 skopskiet:
Jy praat nonsens man.
Jy weet niks vam my ‘support’ nie, behalwe dat ek nie meer die WP ondersdteun nie.
En dis so ver jou kennis van my strek.
Jy is net lus vir kuk soek en ek is nie lus vir dit nie, so kry jou ry en los my maar uit by jou beledigings.
In jou eie belang.
30 Jun 2009, 01:53 am
#768 mbaxman93:
And another, YES it is slowly starting to get contagious around here, before too long they all going to be shouting from the rooftops ‘PDV IS THE MAN’
watch even sour face Tight Head and his sharkie shoe shine boys going to be seeing the REAL value in this little Gem van die Perel, its just around the corner before they ALL SEE the LIGHT.
30 Jun 2009, 01:53 am
#764 kesbok:
Skoppie is looking for an argument, just ignore him.
30 Jun 2009, 01:56 am
#768 mbaxman93:
Oh, and before I go, I also admire PdeV for kicking ‘Lukas Pienaar Kotze’ off his team and for showing Cheeky the middle finger!
30 Jun 2009, 01:58 am
#770 Pietman:
wie se belang is dit, dis nie in my belang ou seun, dis in jou belang, jy’s op die regte pad hier, netnou sal jy a ware trotse PDV ondersteuner wees, teen die Blou Bulletjie se heilige kreun van hul ossewaens wat huil vir die Messias Heyneke om hulle uit die vlakte van Snorretjies se middelmatigheid te laat red.
30 Jun 2009, 02:13 am
SARU has humiliated Snorre by publicly apologising for the eye-gouging incident and distancing themselves from their coach and then by forcing him to recant in public from his ludicrous claim that there was nothing wrong with it.
PDV is so ridiculously out of his depth. SARU ought to put a gag order on this dumb clown as he does his whole country irreparable damage every time he yaps his trap.
30 Jun 2009, 02:19 am
And before Skoppie has another ‘keo ******’, I should place on record that I support PdeV for taking a stand during his interview with the BBC; but as in the case of Jake White I reserve the right to critisise him unreservedly when he stuffs up (like in Durban).
Ek is nie n ‘PdeV-aanbidder’ onder alle omstandighede, soos ou Skopskiet nie.
As PdeV kuk aanjaag, sal hy beslis van my ****!
30 Jun 2009, 02:22 am
#775 TheTackler:
Really I don’t give two hooted f’cks about what you and the rest of Wellington, Auckland and Christchurch or Rugby Heaven think about your schoolmaster Mr. Graham Henry, so what the hell in tarnation are you all so stuffed up in your frilly little eiderdown concerned about PdV for, he’s absolutely bugger all concern of yours. None whatsoever.
You must have some vested interest in the goings on around our national coach, as if you still got something to lose or gain by his acceptance or ridicule, in fact its no concern of yours one way or the other, you just a dumb f’ck yarpie thats found himself another dumb f’ck colonialist exiled haven to ring your deluded adopted ox wagons around your dumb f’ck yarpie neck.
30 Jun 2009, 02:23 am
does anyone want to hear what Schalk has to say – or have we hanged him already??
30 Jun 2009, 02:28 am
#775 TheTackler:
Saru/Hoskins did that, apologise?
To whom?
Bloody stupid, if you asked me.
What have Saru politicians gotta do with incidents on our rugby fields in SA?
They should keep their nose out of it.
30 Jun 2009, 02:28 am
Ja ek sal hom ook aanvat as hy kak beslissings maak soos hy met Schalk om op te sit voor Brussow op flank, en soos hulle nou maak om daai dom drol Johan Muller op slot te sit, maar die ondernemende saak is hy doen wat hy doen vir die welsheins (sp) van die span, en dis eintlik wat saak maak, en so ver het hulle ver meer gewen as verloor met sulke gedagtes agter die rug.
30 Jun 2009, 02:29 am
#778 Luke….I’m your father:
I would like to hear Schalla’s ‘story’.
But he doesn’t normally doesn’t do press interviews like Luke Watson.
And rightly so, imo.
30 Jun 2009, 02:35 am
PDV has now back tracked on what he said, this guy should work at the circus as head clown.
30 Jun 2009, 02:37 am
More All,
As an outsider it appears Schalk made an error in judgement but clearly not premeditatd – unlike his coach.
SARU did not embarass the coach – he did that all by himself.
30 Jun 2009, 02:37 am
Kirstie won the ’95 world cup for us, 99, well really close but well done. Jake the man and not snake as all may sing won the last world cup for us. PdV still have to win a world cup, if he stand by his men and stop racial comments, he can do it, the players will if he stand by them. Nothing else to be slured about this, anyone slurring is jealous. PdV can do it, have lots to learn but so did all the previous coaches!!
30 Jun 2009, 03:20 am
One more comment. The aim of the british media was to use the Burger incident to sidetrack the springboks as they always do to cover the Lions loosing the match. Div simply played it down as nothing and rightfully so, because who cares about media rubbish. Fact is, they played with 14 men the first 10 minutes of the game and still won. Div simply threw a bucket of water on them and started a new fire focussed on him, KEO also fell for this, helping his players and motivating them to hit back harder the coming weekend. Starting to like him a bit more!! Luckily we have Danie, Muller, Brossouw, Deysel available that will do the job just as good. ANy one of the upcoming springbok locks together with Matfield can also do the job!! So by sighting Burger and Bakkies, they’ve actually been doing us a favour!! Bakkies will be back fresh for the last 3 try nations matches when it matters.
30 Jun 2009, 03:32 am
“Sighting” Burger? Clapping gouged eyeballs on him?
That’s what “sighting” means — seeing.
You mean “citing” — issuing him with a citation/reporting him.
30 Jun 2009, 03:35 am
#779 Pietman: Yes, Hoskins has made a pretty grovelling public apology for Burger’s misbehaviour and, what’s more, he’s made Snorre do so as well. Eat a whole big bowl of crow in front of the gleeful British news media.
30 Jun 2009, 03:40 am
Hoskins and De Villiers jointly condemned all acts of foul play and sent out a clear message that such acts would not be tolerated in South African rugby.
“We would like to apologise to the rugby community for the erroneous impression that acts of foul play are in any way condoned by South African rugby,” said Hoskins.
“That has never been the case and is not now, and we support strong action by rugby authorities when such acts occur. Rugby is a physical game and a hard game but it is a game that rightly prides itself on good sportsmanship and we as SARU categorically condemn any such action. SARU fully supports any action that the IRB feels appropriate to stamp out eye gouging in the game.”
De Villiers added that as Springbok coach he stood against play that was not in the spirit of the game. “Eye-gouging is something that we as a team will never be part of,” he said.
“The same applies to biting, head-butting, spear tackling or any other foul play that doesn’t belong in the game.”
“My comments on Saturday were based on what I know of Schalk Burger as a player and not on what occurred. It was never my intention to suggest that I condone foul play – that is the last thing I would ever do and I apologise for creating any other impression.”
30 Jun 2009, 03:40 am
THE TACKLER,
Nya mouw yegalo pickenin willy!!
30 Jun 2009, 03:41 am
THETACKLER, Nya Mouw yegolo pickenin lollie!!
30 Jun 2009, 03:43 am
#787 TheTackler:
Faaark me McGyver, this Hoskins is an ******* of note……
PdeV should let Bakkies and Schalla loose on him also, to shut him up.
Why does the president of Saru apologise for ‘on the field incidents’ during a test match?
Only in South Africa, I tell you.
Saru, bunch of clowns, can’t do ANYTHING right, can they?
30 Jun 2009, 03:46 am
Who cares, ALL that matters:
SOUTH AFRICA 2, LIONS 0, BOOOOOWHAAAAWHAAAAAhaaaaaa!!!
By the way, in NZ it not citing, is si’i'n, in AUS not citing, but CAIyeTI’inGGGG, BHOOOOWHAAAHAAAAHHAAA!!!!!!!
30 Jun 2009, 03:59 am
PDiv is an idiot and even SARU have now apologised and distanced themselves from his comments. Wonder how long he’ll last now since firstly his racist comments that white South Africans don’t support Januarie because he is black, and now defending a thug even after the video evidence?
I see Skopskiet is still defending Div though. Idiot
30 Jun 2009, 04:27 am
Nice thing about South Africa and what I normally see there, coach should not be judged by what his loving relationship with the media is, he should be judged by his team selection and the performance of that team on the field. That is what most South Africans do. Not like the poms, kiwis and AUS that flourish and run rugby with media and money, maybe why rugby is still big in South Africa. If Schalla decide he wants to tell the world it is his 50th match by taking out some-ones eye, pitty the team had to pay for it, but it is Schalla’s desition and he needs to repremand that desition, nothing the manager can do about it. By the way, Lions can be glad they did not have to play a miner team like Vaal reefs, their media would be shocked to eternity that be the case if they realise how dirty some teams can actually play. Thing is, you are in South Africa so deal with it you bunch of soft clocks!!!
30 Jun 2009, 04:28 am
Morning all. So all’s well at the zoo I see!!!
I wish I knew what was going on with the okes that run SA Rugby. Just for ONCE I’d like to enjoy the win and not have to deal with all the KAK that goes with it…
Are Div and Regan trying to now present a united front and put out the PR fires? Do they even care how they have come across? Jis, I don’t know anymore
30 Jun 2009, 04:32 am
I see Treu has the ‘most media friendly award’ can’t we get him as sopesman or something…
By the by, anyone know when Peter is due to have that ‘rasist remarks’ meeting?
30 Jun 2009, 05:01 am
I couldn’t care less what colour PDV is or what racist remarks he comes out with. You guys in South Africa have to deal with that $hit. My only concern is the idiot is out of his depth when it comes to the media. Silly fool thinks his comments regarding the media being interested in him and he not in them smacks of ‘little man syndrome’.
Div actually thinks journalists are interested in him… Their brief is to interview whomever is the Bok coach. Silly fool thinks he is putting the media down. The media is sitting in the dunce corner from the get go with having to interview him.
SARU have a lot to answer for with the appointment of this idiom throwing idiot. SARU reaps what it sows.
Sadly PDV has inherited a talented team, shame he will never be credited with their winning way. SARU must suffer from Bi-Polar.
30 Jun 2009, 05:05 am
This overshadows all the good that South Africa has done to win credibility with the international media. Jake White had the last chuckle in this regard.
We have long since been known as arrogant, humourless goons and racists to boot. Our first Coloured coach has actually gone full circle and exhibited these same traits..to the world’s media.
Helium de Villiers is the lunatic dictator of the rugby world.
30 Jun 2009, 06:18 am
#751 kesbok: I Agree totally finally we have a coach that respect and is willing to back his player to the hilt even if he has to take one on the chin, which he is doing at this very moment.
I watch the incident again last night and never saw Burgers fingers actually go in his eyes, yes he was perhaps trying antagonise the young winger by fiddling with his face a bit but there was no actual gauging going on.
Everyone just assumes that because his hands were on the guys face its eye gauging. Sheridan clearly punched Bekker in the nuts which is just as bad.
30 Jun 2009, 06:21 am
‘I am against anything that is against the spirit of the game. If we want to eye gouge lions, we’ll go down to the bushveld and eye gouge them there, then see if they can haul us in.’
Honestly. This might be the funniest thing I have ever read, well the funniest thing on Keo. The funniest thing I have ever read is A Confederacy Of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole.
Which somehow all brings us back to Peter De Villiers.
30 Jun 2009, 06:45 am
Marc Hinton, of the Wellington “Dominion Post” views PDV as follows…
Good old Peter de Villiers strikes again. Now here’s a man who makes Mathieu Bastareaud seem positively sane, the Springboks coach outdoing even his own high standards of foot-in-mouth syndrome with his latest outburst.
We really shouldn’t be surprised by anything we hear from PDV these days. But still we are.
A controversial appointment when he succeeded the hugely successful Jake White, the pint-sized coach has made an art-form out of his bizzare press conference soliloquies. It’s not clear what colour the sky is in the world the Boks coach inhabits, but it appears to be a different shade to our own.
De Villiers struck again in the aftermath of the Boks’ series-clinching victory over the British and Irish Lions in Pretoria at the weekend – a meritorious 28-25 win that was marred by the yellow card and subsequent eight-week suspension handed down to flanker Schalk Burger.
The coach’s comments made in the wake of the Burger ban – that will remove him from the equation for the All Blacks’ two matches in South Africa – almost defy belief. They also caused his own national union to issue a hasty clarifying statement that could only be viewed as attempted damage control.
Just how long SA Rugby can continue to let this man run amok with his views remains to be seen, but in the meantime we in the media, and you in the public arena, should at least enjoy it. For no one quite tells it like de Villiers.
Here’s a selection of the pearlers he offered on the Burger “gouging”, his flanker’s subsequent suspension and the British media’s indignation at the tone of his comments:
- “Do we really respect the game? If not, why don’t we all go to the nearest ballet shop and get some nice tutus, get a great dancing show going on, no eye-gouging, no tackling, no nothing and then we will all enjoy it.
- “In this game there will be collisions and the guy who wins the collision, who goes in hardest, that’s the guy we will select. I’ve looked at the TV footage, I’m still convinced there was nothing [Burger] did on purpose. He’s an honourable man.”
- “I’m honoured to be part of this lovely game and I’m part of the system. I don’t appoint disciplinary officers, I don’t always agree with them, but if you don’t want to be part of this system, create your own world.”
- “We should be congratulated for winning our first series against the Lions in 29 years. The country can rejoice and be positive. They and their supporters should take it on the chin … nobody from the Lions has said well done to us yet: perhaps they will after the third test.”
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- “Nelson Mandela and FW de Klerk won the Nobel Peace prize: whatever else they did in their lives, no one could take that away from them.”
- “If I am the weakest link, then we are bloody strong. I’m a God-given talent, I’m the best thing I can be, so what you [the media] think doesn’t bother me. I know what I am and don’t care a damn.”
- “We have brilliant players in this country. We do not prepare them to do things you would see in the bush veld. If you want to eye-gouge a Lion, that is where you go.”
- “I know Schalk Burger very well. He is a very physical rugby player and he likes to show who is the boss on a rugby field. I do not think he did it.”
- “Rugby is a contact sport – so is dancing. If you are clued up on this game, you will have seen … there were so many incidents and he could have carded one of them for maliciously charging into a guy. We could have brought that to the attention of the citing commissioner but we did not because this game is a game to us and sometimes you get away with things.”
And, finally, on comments in the local media that he was the weak link in the Boks chain and a “dimwit” and “bungler”, de Villiers reached for his best stuff:
- “I am not disappointed in our media. Everyone in life has an opinion. I react to fact, not opinion. If I am the weakest link, then we are bloody strong.
- “I have a God-given talent… I do not give a damn what the media think. People say we were lucky to win last Saturday. I describe luck as someone trying to hit you and missing. A game lasts 80 minutes and if you are ahead on the scoreboard at the end, it is down to character more than luck.
- “I do not know how I am perceived and I do not care. When you close your eyes at night and know you have been honest with yourself and those around you, that is all you can ask for. I thank you for being interested in my job but I am not interested in yours.”
You’ll forgive me for letting PDV go on a bit, but some of this stuff is so good it deserves recording.
It also confirms the suspicion that the biggest obstacle in the way of South Africa adding the Tri-Nations trophy to their Lions scalp and the World Cup crown that sits safely in their keeping is indeed their own coach.
Surely, the theory doing the rounds that the Boks continue to win in spite of their man in charge, not because of him, must have some grounds. His bizarre subbing in the second half of the first test, and now this…
It also makes you thankful that we have a dry old soul like Henry to lock swords with on this side of the world. He may be a little selective in his rationale, and occasionally talk down to the media, but by comparison he’s decidedly rational.
Of course the one thing to bear in mind about this whole Burger affair is that once again it’s being jumped all over by the UK and Irish media in the wake of yet another series defeat by their Lions – completing a clean-sweep by the Tri-Nations over the so-called best of British.
Much as they did with Tana Umaga in 2005, the travelling media are obsessing on one incident in a match and rather disguising the bigger point which was that their Lions weren’t good enough once again.
On that score, de Villiers most definitely has the last word.
30 Jun 2009, 06:59 am
Well done PdV!! He is not going to take any **** from these high and mighty journos, and they dont like it a bit! So watch this space for all the attacks on him. I say again; well done PdV dont crawl to these gutless bunch!!
30 Jun 2009, 07:25 am
Well, PDV has just APOLOGISED and forced to eat a big bowl of humble pie in public for his stupid comments. Not only has he been forced to take this ****, but he’s also had to eat it with all the world watching and smirking. Serves the clot right.
30 Jun 2009, 07:29 am
#803 TheTackler: Aaagh, take a look at what he apoligised for! Nice to have a unique character in our rugby, makes for a good change from all those politically correct puppets that represents SARU!
30 Jun 2009, 07:39 am
He made a 180 degree recant of his previous position and made a belly-crawling apology.
High time, too.
30 Jun 2009, 07:48 am
#805 TheTackler: i+ +w+i+s+h you will f off you are so negative+++++++++,++++ y+++++o+u+ wo+u+l+d +b+e+ +a m++e+al+ ++++++++i+n+ +f+r++++o++++++++n+t+ o+++++++f+ t+h+e+ press+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++t+h+e+y+ ++++++++w+il+l+ +t+e+ar+ +y+++++o+u+ +++++++++++ap+p+ar+t++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
30 Jun 2009, 08:20 am
“..also confirms the suspicion that the biggest obstacle in the way of South Africa adding the Tri-Nations trophy to their Lions scalp and the World Cup crown that sits safely in their keeping is indeed their own coach.
Surely, the theory doing the rounds that the Boks continue to win in spite of their man in charge, not because of him,..”
This is also a wonder to me. This proves just how talented some of our Bok players are.
As much as it irritates me to hear it being said again and again, the truth is that the entire Bulls team could beat any side on this planet right now. The proof is in the pudding and they proved it on Saturday.
30 Jun 2009, 08:23 am
#805 TheTackler:
in the words of peter the great (changed a bit of course to fit the situation!!)
….
“i dont give a damn! i dont take an interest in your team. i’m glad you take an interest in mine!!”
now, f*ck off back to where you crawled out from!!
30 Jun 2009, 08:46 am
Oh come off it guys
Most South Africans, if they were to stop for a moment and give it some thought, will understand the following statement, and the overseas contingent might find some appreciation for who and what the guy really is from it.
Snor hails from a town called Paarl (pearl) and is part of what is widely known as the Cape coloured community. Far from being a derogatory or racist label in any way, this grouping of ethnic people lie very close to my heart as they are blessed with a truly beautiful- yes it is, sense of humour and have over the years built up a collection of colloquial expressions and a body of wit which I as a caucasian South African regard as a national treasure. Over and above this they have developed a distinct “tongue” and pronunciation, almost their own afrikaans dialect, in which they express themselves so colourfully that I can listen for hours to everyday run-of-the-mill conversations between them. Coupled to this there is an innocence and in some ways a naivety which is often belied by their sharp wit.
Now, when PdV expresses himself in the media, he speaks off the cuff in english, but is actually translating his thoughts, that are deeply rooted in his cultural heritage- full of the same wit, sarcasm and emotive images and figures of speech as he goes, which, while sounding perfectly normal to him, end up being extremely amusing to outsiders.
So next time, please listen and enjoy the pearls of wisdom flowing from the man, rather than being so quick to criticize.
And to PdV and SArugby- maybe the time has come for him to consider a communications expert or at the least some training to better prepare him for his media sessions.
30 Jun 2009, 08:53 am
#809 bluruggaguru:
So I guess the truth is we have a unique coach- someone who can think on his feet and isn’t bound by the constraints which other coaches are tethered by. He is his own man so let’s leave him be.
30 Jun 2009, 08:54 am
#90 katman: Excellend base line .. Debaser also a top tune with a massive phat line.
30 Jun 2009, 09:08 am
The Lions are trying to Tana Umaga, Schalk Burger. They did the same to him after the spear. Bok power..
30 Jun 2009, 09:54 am
What a miserable, cow-towing bunch the South African media are.
Where is the headline that says, “Disgraceful Sheridan plunders Bekker’s family jewels”?
Or the one that says, “Pathetically disgraceful BOD throws multiple punches, lands none”?
Or how about “Disgraceful citing commissioner fails to spot Lions’ punches”?
Or maybe “Disgraceful disciplinarians ban Bakkies for cleaning out too hard”?
Grovelling, craven, cowering, fawning, ingratiating little slaves. That’s the South African media.
The Lions tried their illegal “99″ tactics and got donnered by a more physical team, and now they’re crying. Why does the SA media expect us to cry for them?
30 Jun 2009, 10:07 am
#813 pierre: Lions #8 dives in on Habanna after try was scored
Lions #8 pushed JPP in a similar way that Percy was pushed in the WC.
30 Jun 2009, 10:11 am
Time to leave this blog and read SARU’s rescue mission,which
of cause makes a lot of comments on this blog in defense
of PDV look silly.
30 Jun 2009, 10:22 am
I’m with you Pierre. How can we side with snivelling weasels like tickles?
Staan jou man PdV and SARU should too.
PdV might have other issues but at least he backs his players. C’mon tickles – there were no grovelling apologies from the NZ rugby hierarchy after Umaga and Thorne took out BoD and Smit respectively. And sent them to hospital nogal. Burgers’ so-called “gouging” victim was pretty much unhurt. A dab to wipe away the tears and he finished the game – no lurid photo’s.
I call bullsh1t.
30 Jun 2009, 10:24 am
This was really embarrasing for me…really. I am a citizen of the country and a supporter of that team…why don’t they just push a roll of R100 notes up his pie hole to shut him up and tell him to just coach and shut the hell up.
30 Jun 2009, 10:40 am
#817 Ned: Trouble is, he can’t coach and nor can he shut up!
30 Jun 2009, 10:52 am
#818 Inevitable: aaaagh come on did you enjoy the 3 Bok tries?
30 Jun 2009, 10:59 am
#333 BlackPanther: Yeah mate, BLOGGERS are still mentioning it – me included – not the Boks. Read my post. we have the Lions moaning and complaining after the tests to journalists etc.
The Captain, Smit, bringing it up at the post-match conference – it was probably raised by a journalist – does not constitute continuously moaning about it, its the correct forum to raise it in.
30 Jun 2009, 11:01 am
#801 TheTackler: Marc Hinton is a boring, one-eyed, bigoted d00s. His column in SA Rugby is the 1 page I dont read – in fact I tear it out and burn it on the braai.
So no surprise that you luuuurve him tackler
30 Jun 2009, 11:29 am
A message to all you Springbok fans…
This is worthy of sacking. Demand he go, that is bullshit what he said. Its rucking that should be retuned to the game, then no barstid would lie there, thats how it use to be.
Eyes are the biggest no go area. Id rather have my balls rucked, My ear bitten and a Sione Lauaki Coathanger at my than an eye gouge.
Shame on Richard Loe 26 Weeks
Shame on S. Burger 8 Weeks
Shame on Peter DeVilliers Lost Job!
30 Jun 2009, 11:30 am
You support your players by being an exemplary host, a credit to your country and at all times speak the truth.
30 Jun 2009, 11:38 am
#813 pierre:
I agree….. I often read some of the UK websites and the way they are slamming us is totally unjustified…. apart from that incident in the 1st minute of course.
Grown men, international rugby players calling us bullies?
TheLions threw way more cheap shots than the boks.
Even in the 1st test there was an intent to try and push bakkies and bismarck over the edge…..
I have a clip of O driscoll swinging at bismarck…
and many more….
30 Jun 2009, 11:41 am
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30 Jun 2009, 11:44 am
#822 NZMaori:
I am sure many agree with you….. unfortunately i dont see it happening.
Apart from everything else I just do not see these sort of comments and events keeping the team close….
the players are going to start (if they have not already) losing respect for the coach. Luckily John smit is a fantastic leader and is probably capable of keeping the team united.
30 Jun 2009, 11:49 am
MK should be banned from keo for that. Are you writing that from Free State Prison bro? In there for grevous bodily harm are you?
This has got way outa hand. Of course there should be niggle, with fists and boots you crazy barstid, not eye gouging
MK you are letting down your country, go on, get all rasist with me now, that will be your next blow
30 Jun 2009, 11:51 am
#819 superBul: Very much! And,respect for the players too. If they can cap things by taking the T3 they will go down as possibly the best Bok team ever.
If they can go on to win the WC they get to keep it permanently in the cabinet (1st team to win 3 WC’s). Bragging rights for ever!
SA have the players to do the job but something tells me they are not going to manage it with this coach. The sooner he goes the better for you.
Keep up the good rugby posts Super.
30 Jun 2009, 11:52 am
heheheheehehe, the lions lost the series boooo fkn hooooo!
I dont think there is 1 saffa (excluding PdV) that condones what SB did, the citing was out of our hands and so was the punishment handed down…. deal with it
Now for the Lions media to come out and focus on one (embarrasing) incedent is childish beyond belief…. but just as PdV statements, is it surprising???
30 Jun 2009, 11:53 am
ryan ,i see you have written 2305 articles.i guess 99% of those articles are plain and pure ****.i wonder how many you actually thought through before putting pen to paper?
30 Jun 2009, 12:08 pm
#827 NZMaori: listen here you kiwi cnunt and listen good,i did not say that i condondoned eye gouging but i am just getting seriously pissed off that the media and especially european media can run around branding south african rugby as inherently violent without looking at their own thuggish behaviour.in one english newspaper of yesterday mike philips actually said that they ,the lions,are the good guys which is a f$king joke in my eyes.
30 Jun 2009, 12:11 pm
PdV our very own George W Bush!
30 Jun 2009, 12:15 pm
#825 mk:
you are a nasty little boy…..
30 Jun 2009, 12:15 pm
I always thought Chester should of got the job. PDV has charge of possibly the best Bok squad of the professional era.
And he must be taking the piss.
Cmon.
What in the world does he mean…. He’s on a mission from God. Thats clear..
To defend the indefensible…. to show support to his team man despite all evidence to the contrary does mean his team should play for him.
30 Jun 2009, 12:16 pm
#825 mk: Well done. You qualify to teach english in the Western Cape.
By the way, does your nic have any association with the rag tag bunch of rabble that got owned by the Recces’s?
30 Jun 2009, 12:19 pm
Recce’s
30 Jun 2009, 12:20 pm
#835 Inevitable:
Bwahahahaha!!
I nearly choked on my first beer here behind the pub counter (I am bartending at the moment)…don’t do that man,please, beer is expensive over here!
30 Jun 2009, 12:30 pm
It is good to see that the SARU have told P divvy and his team to resile from their previous position that their eye-gouging and other thuggery was grist to the Bokke mill and morally acceptable:
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_5406738,00.html
Not that the Bokke management and team have been made to apologise for espousing their view that their thuggery should remain part and parcel of their game it only remains for the head-banging Dutchm@n on here to state that eye-gouging and other underhand thuggery has to place in rugby.
Will they now take this opportunity to do so?
30 Jun 2009, 12:39 pm
#824 NZMaori:
I totally agree – save that there should be no rucking of someone’s head. Everything else – withing reason and locality of the ball – should be fair game.
30 Jun 2009, 12:40 pm
#838 Sir_Charles_Napier:
why do you c are so much? you go on and on and on ….have you no life … what he did was wrong, he knows it and has been punished for it, if you knew the guy you would know he would never do it deliberately.. get over yourself…
30 Jun 2009, 13:15 pm
#842 gunther:
Don’t you see that this has tarnished rugby in General and Bokke rugby in particular?
Corne Krige Bokke tactics and his apologists should never have made a comeback.
It is apparent to anyone with eyes that saw the incident that Burger intended to Gouge Fitzy. There is simply no doubt whatsoever, yet you, and you are not the worst on here, think he did not, and others on here, as well as P Divvy and his team (I have taken him at his word), think eye-gouging and other thuggery are perfectly acceptable in rugby. The vast majority think there is no place in rugby for the thuggery displayed and condoned on Saturday. A majority of people think it is.
Don’t you get that people who care about rugby know that this is an argument for its soul?
30 Jun 2009, 13:19 pm
“A majority of people on here think it is”
30 Jun 2009, 13:22 pm
#841 Chucky: Just hope that the holy Lions behave themselves on Sat otherwise a lot of people will sit with egg on their face.
30 Jun 2009, 13:32 pm
When the team wins, it’s thanks to the player. When the team loses, it’s because of the coach. Why this logic was not applied to Jacque White and all who came before him?
I will say it loud and clear:” YOU ARE A BUNCH OF RACIST WHO THINK THAT A COLOURED CANNOT DO ANYTHING GOOD AS A COACH”.
We still have a long way to go in this country…
30 Jun 2009, 13:35 pm
#845 Beertjie:
See my comments at [ ] above about this being a fight for rugby soul. The reason it is because if Bokke thuggery continues it will spread to other teams because other teams will have no option but to fight fire with fire.
I would not be surprised if the Lions decide to do that this Saturday. They certainly took the view that if someone punched them they would punch back.
Will they eye-gouge and testicular bite back too? I should think that it is only a matter of time before someone does back to the Bokkes what they have done to other people. I know if someone eye gouged me I would rip them a new one.
They have re-opened a Pandora’s box of thuggery which could lead to the game regressing a decade or more in terms of levels of foul play. Was winning the Lions series really worth doing this to rugby and suffering the consequences of the fallout?
30 Jun 2009, 13:48 pm
#846 The objective man:
In fairness mate, and I say this as a liberal Irish man, PDV is not helping himself at the moment.
Many in the western press, were supportive of PDV’s appointment in spite of the political nature of it and have desperately wanted it to work but PDV isolated them all, at one fell stroke when he said amongst other things, eye-gouging and all other Bokke thuggery was perfectly acceptable. He told them further that they should wear a tutu and take up ballet dancing if they didn’t like it.
What is undeniably true, is that if he was the coach of any of the home Unions he would have been sacked on the spot for those remarks alone.
Perhaps you can tell me why he is not been sacked when anyone in the northern hemisphere would have been sacked for those off the wall comments.
30 Jun 2009, 13:50 pm
#841 Sir_Charles_Napier:
a very obvious place to deliberately do it right in front of the touch judge and ref ….. watching the replay does not confirm any kind of intent…. the point is though … he broke the law and he has been punished to continue to harp on is nonsensical… also there was plenty of thuggery from the lions…to suggest otherwise is delusional…
30 Jun 2009, 13:56 pm
#845 Sir_Charles_Napier: and your guy (think it was Sheridan) that hit Bekker in the nuts? Oh I am sorry, it is not thuggery if it is done by a BI Lion?
30 Jun 2009, 14:02 pm
#846 Sir_Charles_Napier: This is SA where competence is the last thing that gets you employed.
30 Jun 2009, 14:12 pm
#849 gunther:
See my earlier post regarding fighting fire with fire. It is going to happen.
That Squirrel Sheridan was not cited only goes to show that with the benefit of the tape the commissioner saw all the other punches going in that he could not single out any particular person without citing the majority of the Bokke team and I dare say a fair few of the Lions teams. You will recall that the Lions players said that they were amongst other thing, being punched off the ball all the time.
To say that Burger unintentionally got hold of Fitzy’s head, then place, again unintentionally whilst looking at what he was doing, continue to rub his fingers in Fitzy’s eye area before Fitzy managed to get him off is quite frankly a lie of biblical proportions, and are not worthy of any further comment, save that the disciplinary committee thought it was gouging, handed down a 2 month sentence, and the Bokke management agree that it was gouging as they are not appealing it. Yet strangely, you and some of the other head banging Dutchm@n on here don’t.
You will tell me next that Hitler and the nazi didn’t really kill 6 million Jews next.
30 Jun 2009, 14:20 pm
#845 Sir_Charles_Napier:
who bit who in the testicles? the only testicular action was from sheridan… I love the way you make it look like the “thuggery was one-sided” also was what de villiers said worse than phillips’ comments after the game…. he basically called the ref a cheat…this is why playing the ritish and Irish sides is getting boring… the whine factor and bullsh1t outweighs any enjoyment derived from the experience…
30 Jun 2009, 14:23 pm
#851 Sir_Charles_Napier: Burger is an idiot because he was caught, no other reason. How do you think players get knocks everywhere when they get out of a scrum. Have you ever played rugby and if you have have you ever ended underneath a maul or a ruck.
If you have then stop complaining. Burger got what he deserved because he got caught. If you are saying that the BILs are angels and only play by teh rules and the Boks are heathens then talk to someone who has played some real rugby in SA on tour 20 years ago. Punching, gouging, kicking, raking and so on have always been part of the game and they will always be. Locks are notrious dogs when it come to that. If you cannot accept that then maybe you should change your sport of favour to rythmic gymnastics.
30 Jun 2009, 14:33 pm
#854 Objective 101:
Lol! “Punching, gouging, kicking, raking and so on have always been part of the game and they will always be”.
spoken like a true Bokke!
The problem is that the rest of the world think that Bokke thuggery has no place in the modern game. Clean up your act or it will be cleaned up for you.
30 Jun 2009, 14:37 pm
#852 Objective 101:
you cannot reason with him … he is a one-eyed little mick with a lonely drum to bang and only one tune to play…
30 Jun 2009, 14:53 pm
#854 Sir_Charles_Napier: Those were part of the BIL game my friend. If you cannto come to terms with it at least have the decency to listen to an interview with the leader of the 1974 BILs Bill Beaumont about his cry to war and all out brawling. Anyway maybe that is why you lot cannot beat SH teams anymore. You have gone soft. Yep you lot have become softies, what you cal then Tellie Tubbies. Like BOD, he high tackles a player and ends up being concussed himself and your famous loose head who tried to punch our lock in the nuts but missed. Differene is we don’t complain, we play because what goes around comes around. Shame I feel sorry for you.
Next time the BILs tour they wil ask the Boks to wear tutus and ballet dancing shoes.
30 Jun 2009, 20:22 pm
Quite frankly I find myself supporting Peter de Villiers for once – because he is the first South African official to stand by his man when the flak’s coming from all angles, arguably for good reason. Historically the SA administrators have thrown their players to the wolves and never stood by them – with the possible exception of Luis Luyt.
I think this will endear P de Villiers to the players – good on him.
30 Jun 2009, 22:08 pm
Defending an eye-gouger or a biter is about as ridiculous as defending Osama Bin Laden. Thinking people think you’re nuts.
1 Jul 2009, 12:21 pm
Piet will say anything for a case of Schalk Burger export wine.
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