Disciples of the delusional
6 Jul 2009
The Lions are heroes again after beating a Bok B-side that was a disgrace to the jersey, writes Keo in his Business Day newspaper column.
If the celebration of the supposed heroes who lost a meaningful series-deciding Test in Pretoria two Saturdays ago defied belief, it does not compare with the response to the British and Irish Lions defeat of a Springbok side in which 10 regulars were rested.
Some, among the British and Irish, called Saturday’s dead rubber a great occasion. Others called it one of the greatest victories in Lions history and pondered what may have been if the Lions had not arrived in Johannesburg with the series already lost.
It is why the British, and to a lesser degree Irish, win nothing of relevance. They are the kings of the afterthought, the masters of the dead rubber and they will forever remain disciples of the delusional.
In all of the emotional outpouring of an after the fact Test win, there was no criticism of Lions coach Ian McGeechan’s poor selections for the first two lost Tests. McGeechan picked the wrong lock combination in the first Test, selected the wrong front row combination and never got it right all tour with his back three combinations.
Not that it mattered because the Lions get on the plane heroes for winning one out of three Tests. It is the British and Irish way to applaud finishing second in a two-team race.
South Africa, in Johannesburg on Saturday, were a disgrace to the jersey a disgrace that started with a white armband protest against Bakkies Botha’s two-week suspension and ended after 80 minutes of clueless and ill-disciplined rugby.
The build-up to the Test was a shambles with Bok coach Peter de Villiers spending all week mixing his metaphors, defending eye-gouging and telling the media that he changed his mind four or five times before settling on a Springbok B team because he wanted to give every player in his squad the feeling they had made a contribution to the Lions series.
Test rugby, to De Villiers, is obviously a charity in which you hand out jerseys instead of asking players to earn the right to wear them. After all De Villiers was gifted the job in the name of transformation.
De Villiers has been riding on the coattail of the 2007 World Cup winning squad and Saturday’s team selection and approach to the game was the first example of a Peter de Villiers selected and coached team. The result was a 19-point defeat in Johannesburg; and the Boks were lucky it wasn’t close to 30.
The De Villiers philosophy of not coaching off a clipboard and just playing the situation as the players see it does not even work on the club fields of his hometown in Paarl, let alone in a Test match environment. De Villiers, on Saturday, showed us that it is not only at press conferences where he plays the part of the court jester.
De Villiers’s insecurity has meant that he has always wanted to dismantle White’s World Cup winners and on Saturday he used his chance to introduce his breed of player and ineffective style of play.
It was a disaster because of the naivety of the approach and the arrogance of believing, that at this level, a team can play laterally without getting go forward and expect to be successful. It serves no purpose to take the ball to the wingers when they get it 20m behind the gain line while back-pedaling.
The scrum and lineout are the primary phases and in the scrums De Villiers got it wrong by pairing loosehead prop Beast Mtwarira with hooker Chiliboy Ralepelle, with the latter not having the grunt or grind of Bismarck du Plessis. It was no coincidence that when Du Plessis entered the arena English tighthead prop Phil Vickery left two scrums later and Mtwarira again looked more the Beast of Durban than the Bunny of the first half in Johannesburg.
Rugby selection is about getting the combinations right, settling on a structure that works for those players and then allowing them freedom of expression within that framework. Once that has been agreed the player’s mindset must kick in.
On Saturday there was no structure, few match-winning combinations and a player mindset that confused the wearing of a white armband with the waving of a white flag to signal the end of Jake White’s World Cup winning team.
Black armbands for South African rugby lovers would have been more appropriate of an occasion that should be mourned and not celebrated.
759 Comments
6 Jul 2009, 12:05 pm
Nail on the head as usual.
6 Jul 2009, 12:05 pm
Keo you sound like one unhappy Dragon this morning!
6 Jul 2009, 12:06 pm
This whole series has been a celebration of mediocrity and in that I include both the Safricans and the Lions.
6 Jul 2009, 12:09 pm
#3 ad_oz: this is more an article bout PDV than the Lions.
6 Jul 2009, 12:10 pm
“De Villiers has been riding on the coattail of the 2007 World Cup winning squad and Saturday¹s team selection and approach to the game was the first example of a Peter de Villiers selected and coached team.” THATs NONSENSE! Morne Steyn, WO and JF are the darlings of the media. You guys pushed for their selection. They failed … now you blame PDV.
6 Jul 2009, 12:10 pm
The first 2 tests were nail-biting and exciting, but shouldnt have been.
Im very very VERY concerned about my Bokke…
6 Jul 2009, 12:12 pm
The style we played on Saturday resembled the Tri nations last year. It was just helter skelter.
6 Jul 2009, 12:13 pm
#4 Big Hit:
Ya. With the players at our (Safrica’s) disposal, this series should have been walked 3 – 0. Yet here we are, celebrating a shaky 2 – 1 series victory. We have failed – sport isn’t purely about wins and losses.
6 Jul 2009, 12:16 pm
As previously stated PDV missed the chance of personal glory on Saturday. No Springbok side has EVER whitewashed the Lions in SA. The chance will come again in 12 years time for the Boks…but not for PDV.
6 Jul 2009, 12:16 pm
#8 ad_oz: Not if you are a Pomm, they take honourary laps for drawing, celebrate losses and hand out OBEs when they win once a hundred years
6 Jul 2009, 12:17 pm
I think more importantly than anything else Saturday’s match served to highlight the importance of playing your strongest 1st 15 but it also served as a reality check regarding the “true” depth we have in South African rugby.
We see players show good form and touches of brilliance at domestic and super 14 level and instantly supporters of those players and their respective provinces start shouting for their starting places in the Bok squad. Saturday justified why a lot of these players don’t get game time in a Springbok jersey and why a flavour of the month selection policy will never work.
6 Jul 2009, 12:17 pm
#8 ad_oz: it shouldn’t be forgotten the Lions had a few good players at their disposal too. Indeed, when they put the 8 English players in, they won the 3rd test
6 Jul 2009, 12:19 pm
#12 Big Hit:
If you believe Stephen Jones, it was just Simon Shaw
6 Jul 2009, 12:21 pm
I remember many PDV-o-philes also rejoicing last year at a record winning last game despite coming stone cold last…#10 JL1:
Interesting… I remember all the PDV-o-philes rejoicing last year at a dead-rubber win despite coming stone cold last in the 3N series…
6 Jul 2009, 12:23 pm
Keo, time for a little meeting with your staff writers. Ryan named Chiliboy his MOTM after the game on Saturday. Mind you, Ryan was the only one who saw it that way.
6 Jul 2009, 12:23 pm
Disgusting that PdV has so little respect for the Springboks that he’d rather they lose at home than Jongi or Odwa feel sad for not playing.
I’m a firm believer in one of the first non-negotiables that Jake White had, and that was that the Boks do *not* lose at home…and that was a record that he carried forward for how many years? And how many times has PdV already single-handedly gifted the opposition wins on SA soil?
6 Jul 2009, 12:24 pm
Good article for showing that there is need for a reality check, of which Saturdays annihilation was just a first Installment, imho.
And I agree with fingers pointing at PdV, but this is SA, so all local arguments will be warped and put in weird contexts, racism and the like.
So, a suggestion aimed at getting a neutral opinion profile:
GET QUOTES FROM INTERNATIONALS RE PIET HELIUM!!!
(I tried this at some of the other threads as well)
This cries out to be done, also because Keo dot coza is being vilified for pointing out that his reasoning and comments are being questioned.
So, give the guys a chance to go on record, scribes and ex-players specifically – and then maybe Piet or Oregon will be able to take some measures that will serve to make the Boks management team and Saru lesser objects of ridicule during the Tri-Nations.
Most importantly, this could take the racism card of this discussion – and what a relief that would be, oh man!
Or should Keo.co.za not start doing the YouTube and/or Facebook thing with a bit of a poll campaign.
Sponsors and a competition for the best PdV sketch,a marketers dream!
6 Jul 2009, 12:24 pm
I think this is a poor effort, disgrace to the jersey and all that, especially since players truly bled for the jersey out there.
There was not much in this test match, 3 of the tries were intercepts and breakouts. its another poor effort.
6 Jul 2009, 12:29 pm
The Sunday Times in London yesterday described the 28-9 Lions victory over the Boks as amazing. Highest rated Bos was Johann Muller (8/10) and for the Lions – Kearney, Flutey, M Williams and Heaslip rated 9/10…
“The pride of the Lions restored by romp”
If PDV had picked his best XV the history books might be recording the whitewash achievement as amazing, Bok confidence would be sky high for the forthcoming Trinations and the Lions would have sent the Lions home with their tails between their legs.
Arrogant selection decisions by PDV sadly backfired and the rest is history.
6 Jul 2009, 12:30 pm
Agree with 1000% What really gets me is PD Comments a couple of months ago when approached about the ticket prices, and his response was something in the line that South African’s will/would pay any amount to see the Lions vs the Bokke.
So tell me PDV why did you field a B team, when people spent so much money to watch the Lions in the Final test? Who do you think you are? You allowed your boys on Saturday to do something that is not in the spirit of Rugby! Even if they did not break any laws by wearing an armband … it certainly is not in the spirit of Rugby. PD you are not above Rugby you are just a servant to it…accept it or bugger off.
Your arrogance sir is ruining what 15 years of post apartheid have tried so hard to build on…
6 Jul 2009, 12:32 pm
We won the series with a penalty in the 80th minute.
That is how close it was.
If someone had told me that a month ago ……
6 Jul 2009, 12:33 pm
glad this is all over ….. in retrospect what should have been a celebration of SA rugby has left a bad after taste.
our rugby was dubious, our coaching staff moronic at times and then there was the small forest of press reportage on matters which should not take over a lions tour
- eye gauging
- ticket prices
- players pulled from arm ups
- bakkies’ suspension
- off the ball handbags
FFS …. thank g-d we are now back to normal service … bring on the TN and the standard one or two wins, a bunch of defeats and some political bitching.
6 Jul 2009, 12:33 pm
what i want to know is whether there are any true independent-minded journalists on keo who are willing to express a contrary opinion to what clearly seems to be some sort of winning-ways party line Or whether the agenda has been set from above?
Which is more than a little hypocrytical considering the same site was tearing down old mr winning ways himself just a few years back. Its all a bit odd.
6 Jul 2009, 12:34 pm
and who thought the boks were ever capable of playing proper rugby in a “structure-less” environment and make a political statement at the same time !!?
most of them struggle to chew gum and walk … the moment i saw those armbands i knew we were in dee trouble
6 Jul 2009, 12:35 pm
We were very lucky that the BIL were a hotspotch of decent Heineken Cup and Magners league players. None of them and I include BOD would seriously compete for a Bok jersey.
The Boks have 6 world class forwards in their starting line up
Smit
Matfield
Botha
Smith
Burger (despite the foul play)
Spies
Beast and Bismarck are just below world class simply because of experience, they will no doubt step up in the years to come.
The only player in the above to have not played under JW was Beast and that was because he was just starting out and had not qualified for the Boks at that stage.
In the backline the boks have world class players in
Fourie du Preez
Jean d V
Jaque Fourie
Bryan Habana
All made names for themselves under JW.
Adi Jacobs, Frans Steyn, Jonghi Nokwe, Ndungane all got caps with JW.
Why then does our side seem so disjointed and clueless? The only later additions by PDivvie include Morne Steyn, Heinrich Brussouw and Zane Kirchner. None of these guys had the experience or form to warrant selection during JW’s era. What concerns me the most though is that with such stability in selection and with players with the exception of Burger who all had good Super 14′s did the Boks look so disjointed?
Another sinister side to all this is that not once have I heard any complaints about enough colour in the side under PDivvie. JW was under far more pressure and was forced to put up with a lot more Kak and somehow with the same personnel seemed to have a more cohesive team. In fact it was only during last years 3nations after a much publicised player revolt that the Boks looked like a decent team against AUS at Ellis Park.
PDivvie has been given some of the best players in the world and it would appear that he is being allowed to do as he pleases yet he still cannot deliver any consistency in selection, tactics or results and this at a time when all our major opponents are rebuilding, we should be putting 50-60 points past teams at the moment.
SARU need to bite the bullet now and let a qualified coach take over with enough time to have a good crack at defending in 2011, I cannot bear the thought of enduring another world cup like 2003.
6 Jul 2009, 12:36 pm
#18 cab:
I have to agree with you. The bounce of the ball did not go our way on Saturday. If we scored instead of Monye I would of backed the boks to win the game.
One thing saturday proves is that there is no Substitute for experience. The new comers tried to much to early and we were way to loose especially in the first half. We would never have played that type of game plan if that was a deciding series test match.
6 Jul 2009, 12:36 pm
CAB … you making the age old mistake of confusing a blog site with news sites
6 Jul 2009, 12:38 pm
if we are as goods as the bloggers and the keoites would have it … why did we come last in the TN and why did we not put the BIL away like we should have ?
MAYBE, just MAYBE we are not actually world beaters.
6 Jul 2009, 12:38 pm
“De Villiers has been riding on the coattail of the 2007 World Cup winning squad and Saturday’s team selection and approach to the game was the first example of a Peter de Villiers selected and coached team.”
That is just a bizarre and maliciously bigoted statement to make. Keo must be the biggest twat ever to become a rugby jouno – even bigger than Stephen Jones. A poephol of gigantic dimensions.
6 Jul 2009, 12:39 pm
Is there anyone out there that still thinks Peter De Villiers can actually coach the Springboks?
I don’t find any of this funny. Fire the transformation coach and get an able and competent coach as soon as possible please.
6 Jul 2009, 12:39 pm
#5 psycho:
How did Morne fail he kicked us to victory in the 2nd test. How did JF fail he scored a vital try in the second test. How did Wo fail, expect for trying to make sense out of a rejigged backline?
The coach failed the players by making 10 changes and expecting the players to hold it together.
Nobody makes 10 changes to a team and expects to win anything. I think we should check the gambling on the result 10 minutes before the team announcement.
6 Jul 2009, 12:39 pm
Just to put things in persepctive: The Lions scored a intercpet try and we had a try disallowed. The Lions deserved their win and i do not suggest another outcome, but if the score was 21-16 with 10 minutes to go, things might have looked different.
6 Jul 2009, 12:41 pm
#32 Beertjie:
True, it looks worse than it was.
Kirchner should also have scored.
6 Jul 2009, 12:41 pm
#25 DEE DAH:
Spot on! And I am going to 2011 (Minimum of R 150 K gonners!, can only hope we don’t rock up as reigning champs and leave as confirmed chumps! With PdV as Head Coach we will, I believe.
6 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm
pdv must go!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need to make our voices heard
6 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm
Ahem, before swiping the Brits and Irish for being losers, before we mention Button or Brawn, where is SA’s formula 1 driver, or team, or grand prix for that matter. And when it came to medals at last year’s Olympics, how many did SA win and how many did Britain. You don’t want to compare British sport with SA on a holistic basis, because it’s one way traffic. One penalty kick separated the Boks from the Brits in this series, that hardly makes British and Irish losers…
6 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm
Selection had nothing to do with the outcome of this match, if the Boks kicked for points instead of the touchline then we would have won.
So Keo you are right about there being no structure, but wrong about it being a selection issue..
Sure Chilliboy struggled at the scrums but excelled in the loose. The real failures of the day were Nokwe and Ndungane, both failed to finish or creat something.
If we punished the lions’ penalties with 3 point every time and Habanna and Peterson were on the wings we would have won this game.
Also let’s all eknowledge the limitations of Kirchner.
6 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm
He broke 2 non negotiable rules of international rugby.
Firstly you always play your best 15.
Secondly you never disrespect the opposition.
These are 2 basic principles, before you even get to coaching and press conferences.
6 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm
I dont understand why everybody is attacking De Villiers so much. Did we not win the series? Big Deal we lost a dead rubber game. I would rather loose a dead rubber and learn something than win everygame like the All Blacks and loose the important games.
6 Jul 2009, 12:46 pm
#14 money_man: Yes, they did but not a word after the 19-0 snotting in Cape Town or the loss against the convicts for the first time in 8 years
I am not one of them, I was crying.
I was in a very dark place.
Still trying to deal with it, but the pain is still there
6 Jul 2009, 12:47 pm
#29 klingon_x: Then you do not Quintus can Rooyen, do you?
6 Jul 2009, 12:48 pm
the best thing for south african rugby is to get rid of peter de villiers.
6 Jul 2009, 12:50 pm
#38 tight head: Come on get real and the Pomms and Welsh and French who send second rated oppo down south every year
It has become the norm and nothing to do with respect
SA Rugby do not even care as they must be so busy counting the millions they made that PDiv will get his own statue soon
6 Jul 2009, 12:51 pm
Strange…
For a man trying his damnest to dismantle the JW RWC heroes he seemed to have gone to incredible lengths to keep that team together…
Kirchner, Morne Steyn, Brussow, Beast, Sykes (as far as I can recall now) where the only players that never featured under a Jake White sqaud – and then the media were basically writing most of those okes into the test team anyway…
I do not agree with the principle of picking a test team or B-team with a view on something still coming up – it is something personal however and it is because each test in rugby, should always be exactly that, a test…
But White did the same too, as did many other coaches from all over the world in all countries.
We did not have one settled combination going into this test, and we should not be happy with that as I am not ecstatic that we did not clinch it 3-0 because we could.
6 Jul 2009, 12:51 pm
#37 Breakdown Boy: Your point being that someone made so selcetions.
Now let su see who it could be:
Peter Pan?
Peter Pumpkin eater?
Piet Pompies?
No it was Pieter de Villiers
6 Jul 2009, 12:54 pm
I’m saddened to be a South African today.
To see civilized people launch such a malicious, petty and mean spirited attack on a coach who had just won us a B&I Lions series. I’m speechless, gutted. Perhaps we don’t deserve better then. Perhaps this pettiness and meanness will come back to haunt us – a self-fulfilling prophecy and consequences that none of us can foresee.
6 Jul 2009, 12:56 pm
#44 PissAnt: We are not rooting for his dismissal but things were strnage when he took over and it is getting even creepier now
Strange selections
Strange combinations
Strange quotes
but guess what?!!
Very familiar results
6 Jul 2009, 12:57 pm
#46 klingon_x: Were you sad when Jake got fired after winning us the RWC?
6 Jul 2009, 12:58 pm
Apparently Joel Santana & Mickey Arthur have also been reprimanded by the Sports Minister for riding Jake Whites considerable 2007 coat tails…They have both since promised NOT to struggle against Tonga & Fiji in a World Cup year.
Personally I think the coaching team (John, Victor, du Preez) got their tactics wrong, although I thought Wynand & Morne stood out with their beautifully structured way!
PS: Jake: If you’re reading this, will you bear my children? …you non-Helter Skelter-England-slaying-rugby-genius you…
6 Jul 2009, 12:59 pm
#47 JL1:
Since when has any coach’s actions been widely accepted by the rugby public and media?
The only guy which seems to have Carte Blanche at the moment seems to be Deans – but if the Aussies start losing a couple of games you will see the beast turn even on him.
6 Jul 2009, 13:00 pm
#48 JL1: thank you….very good question.
6 Jul 2009, 13:01 pm
#48 JL1:
So is that what this is about, more pettiness, revenge ? You make me sick to the stomach my friend.
6 Jul 2009, 13:02 pm
#50 PissAnt: Yes, all media will turn, but something is wrong with the team from last year
Those losses last year at home should not have happened
Our backline play has done some good things, the forwards have fired for about 40 minutes in total
Poor selections and bench strategies
6 Jul 2009, 13:03 pm
En intussen stem die keolings vir n vale en die ‘poll’ gaan mal!
80% wil vir PdeV uitskop….ongelooflik.
6 Jul 2009, 13:05 pm
#54 Pietman: Polls en geraas gaan NIKS maak nie…. Snorrie sal daar wees vir nog ‘n paar jaar, ten minste…
6 Jul 2009, 13:05 pm
#52 klingon_x: Get over yourself…just answer the question
In SA you get two Bok coaches those who have been fired and those who will be fired
6 Jul 2009, 13:05 pm
The Japies are turning on one another again and bashing their coach. Their cowardly media sided with the British scribes and swiped their coaches and players – even though they won the series. What a laugh, my sides are splitting.
6 Jul 2009, 13:06 pm
#5 psycho: If anyone is a disgrace it is you Keo!!
#8 ad_oz: I disagree…it is all about winning…that is what the record books will note.
#42 fish out of water: …and replace him with…?
This is another awfull attempt at getting hits…nothing said but tabloid stile stirring…Keo you are a disgrace!
6 Jul 2009, 13:06 pm
For once I find myself entirely agreeing with Keo. For me last week was a lowpoint in Springbok history. The cherry on the top was the players childlike attempt at making a statement with silly masking tape around their arms with a crypic message inscription (Victor looked ridiculous with the tape on his scrumcap). These guys must be told that they do not own the Bok Jersey and they do therefore not have the right to use it as a billboard for their own political reasons whenever they wish .I do believe that the sanctioning of Bakkies is not consistant with the application of rule 10.4 however the players response was entirely innappropriate, disgraceful and worthy of appropriate action from the IRB. I feel that the John and Pieter div should be found guitly for bringing the game into disrepute and face a one month ban from all rugby activities
6 Jul 2009, 13:07 pm
#55 grootblousmile: Maybe, but the tri-nations and the tests against France EYO will surely be a very trying time for him and his family
Harry Viljoen left because of that pressure
6 Jul 2009, 13:07 pm
I must say, I have been reading some of the “finnest” foreign press section on Keo and I have to say this:
Our journo’s can be a bit biased, and so are any nations writers but the poms and Irish are bordering on the delusional, just looking at their ratings of the two teams, they basically gave all the lions players 8 – 9 out of 10.
It’s like they think they were robbed of tour win?
Let’s look at this really:
The boks played **** this entire tour ans still beat the lions 2-1. Some of the lions players have played the best rugby of their carreers (Shaw, Roberts, Bowe, Kearney) and they still could only beat the B-team in a does not matter rugby match.
The lions lost while playing some of their best rugby and boks beat them while playing rugby bellow their best. Wh yshould the Brits feel proud of this.
To be honest, a Jake White led bok team would’ve crushed the British ‘it’s okey to loose;’ Lions.
6 Jul 2009, 13:08 pm
#57 OzyAvo:
I must admit you are totally correct on that. Can you for one second imagine the British media turning so viciously on Mcheegan had he won the series ?
6 Jul 2009, 13:09 pm
#59 dh@rv: what?? Even bedroom rugby, that is now being mean!
6 Jul 2009, 13:09 pm
#48 JL1:
I think that is the crux of the matter. JW was sacked for political reasons and it is not my opinion, SARU scored him at 100% on his performance appraisal. So if he performed 100% why was he sacked?
PDivvie supporters are blinding themselves to the fact that he is out of his depth, true friends would find him a dignified exit strategy because the way this is going he is in for one hell of a ride with a nasty ending.
Jake White was always philosophical he always said “once I got this job I knew that one day I would be fired”
I am not sure whether PDivvie is a philosopher, a realist or just an unfortunate victim of asperger syndrome.
He never answers a question with a straight answer and at first it was quite endearing and supplied us all with a load of laughs. It’s getting to the point now that I believe the reason we don’t get straight answers is because he doesn’t know the answers. George Bush junior had an earpiece during the US presidential debates I think SARU need to get PDivvie one for press conferences.
6 Jul 2009, 13:09 pm
#55 grootblousmile:
Beter so, dat PdeV bly.
Anders sit ons weer met Komphela en daai lot, ten minste hou PdeV hulle bekke stil.
6 Jul 2009, 13:10 pm
Does the gloating never cease ? This article will take some beating.
Seems to disregard a few factors too:-
- it was a Test match. Not the Emerging Boks. Not the Junior Boks. Not an Invitational XV. It was the Boks vs Lions. Stop hiding behind convenient labels !
- the Cavalry did indeed arrive, but with no added success.
- the 3rd Test All Blacks vs Lions 2005 also saw many changes (eg Carter rested, McAlister starts on debut). ABs played with passion, won scoring 48pts.
- every single starting Bok, except perhaps Chilliboy Outofhisdepth, was lauded here at some time or other as worthy of the jersey. And suddenly theyre not ?
- the Boks themselves presumably thought the match was important enough to (dis)grace it with their ‘JUSTICE-4′ campaign. No, not for World Peace or a Continents Poverty or AIDs but something far more important. Their egos.
How can anyone take Keo seriously any more after kak like this and his chummy chummy canoodling with JW ?
Lions were awesome on Saturday. See, now that wasnt so bad was it.
6 Jul 2009, 13:11 pm
#36 OzyAvo: Well while we are on that subject lets not mention McLaren and Lewis Hamilton. At least no South African can be accused of tryin to steal their oposition’s car design or have points subtracted from the rightfull winner by blatantly lying about events clearly filmed!
6 Jul 2009, 13:11 pm
#53 JL1:
I fear I might just repeat what I said on the other thread from Ryan earlier.
But one question.
If there is something so terribly wrong with the team why would John Smit commit to 2011 under this coach?
I think we all agree in principle that we have magnificent potential with this team and group of guys and wait for the day they consistently click.
We saw shades of it under White at times, as we did last year at Ellis and in the first 40 in Durbs against the Lions.
But inbetween that we saw some very mediocre showings under both White and PDV.
The argument of punting the one against the other (coaches) in this instance then is fruitless.
The trick for the coaches and the players is to take those shades of brilliance, and string it together for longer and more consistently.
6 Jul 2009, 13:11 pm
#5 psycho: It’s crazy how Keo can switch it around all in aid of the “AGENDA”.
Next we’ll see an ad on this site saying ‘FIRE DE VILLIERS” T-SHIRTS FOR SALE COURTESY OF KRAZY KEO KLAN.
6 Jul 2009, 13:13 pm
#66 BlackPanther: It was so nice reading your post. Sense!!!! Thank you.
6 Jul 2009, 13:15 pm
#65 Pietman: Janee Khompela en daai lot, die Stofpiele ook, se bekke is ten minste stil.
Maar demmit man, hoe kan die Bokke tevrede wees met so min balbesit… en dit wat hulle wel het nie gebruik nie ?
Een ding is verseker…. dinge gaan nog interessant wees, die jaar en volgende jaar.
Wat ek wel onomwonde kan se is dat ek besig is om ‘n ernstige renons op te bou jeens Muir en Gary Glitter.
6 Jul 2009, 13:17 pm
#64 DEE DAH: Funny I thought the same last week regarding shrub junior (Bush).
6 Jul 2009, 13:20 pm
#68 PissAnt: I agree, but not one coach seem to be able to do it
Nick Mallet and his 17 test run did a great job of it. Surely these coaches should be getting the team to gel, more that 700 caps and we are still talking about whne they will gel, come now something has to happen. The more they do the same the more the will get the same results. **** has done some nice work with the backline form set plays, Gold has done some good work with mauls, but no linking between backs and forwards and no creative play from the backs-maybe we need Pieter Rossouw/Campese
Oh and John Smit gets paid good money to be committed to the Boks till 2011
6 Jul 2009, 13:20 pm
Okay maybe 10 team changes was a bit much, perhaps the big hitters on the bench should have started and the starters came on at select time. PDV had a crack at a dead rubber and went for broke… he crapped out, it happens.
6 Jul 2009, 13:23 pm
#73 JL1: Gold has not done anything better than what Gert Smal has done, in fact look at what he has done with the Irish pack.
PDIV picked these assistants, I do not even know what Gary Gold is famous for (he got benched by Plumtree for a short while in the Bok set up), and **** has won all club/varsity championships but choked at the S14
PDIV would do well if he gets a Jones/Gatland/Mallet combo to advise him on some aspects of the game
6 Jul 2009, 13:24 pm
I fancy the Boks to win the 3N. They seem willing to play forwards rugby which they were unwilling to do in last year’s 3N and their first choice pack is both fearsome and skilled in equal measure.
6 Jul 2009, 13:25 pm
#76 Big Hit: I liked Heaslip… he cut em up for spritely to score.
6 Jul 2009, 13:28 pm
#77 RugbyRulz: he had a top 3rd test, was pretty anonymous for the first two.
6 Jul 2009, 13:29 pm
The 2009 Lions Tour to South Africa
I am a South African. My staple sports are rugby and cricket. The number of blood vessels I have popped over the years watching my favourite sports – well, if I had a pound for every one I would be a millionaire. The trials and tribulations that we as supporters of South African sport suffer from season-to-season are probably only matched by the English in their quest for a champion – you know when cyclists are getting knighthoods that things are getting pretty desperate for the Poms!
I haven’t lived in South Africa for over seven years now; somehow that has only heightened my sense of patriotism when the Springboks or the Proteas take to the field. We are a relatively small band (although ever increasing given emigration) of followers in the UK, although our cries are frequently heard in pubs across the country on match day. We are always ready with an opinion (usually informed – and often critical!) and the banter with opposing fans can be ferocious at times, but it always ends with a handshake and a post mortem of the game over a pint. In many respects that is what makes supporting my national teams so special; I can pull on my replica jersey and know, that while it might rile the opposition fans, there is a begrudging respect for the history and tradition behind the Protea and Springbok emblems.
This weekend saw the culmination of two of the biggest tournaments in their respective sports; for rugby it was the final test of the Lion’s Tour in South Africa, for tennis it was the men’s final at Wimbledon. The Best of British rugby vs the Springbok juggernaut and the American Slugger vs the Swiss Maestro. Two tantalising prospects; for even if sport is not necessarily your cup-of-tea it is the nature of the contest at this level that beguiles – the ebb-and-flow, the strikes and the counter strikes, the agony and the ecstasy; all the ingredients of a taut West End stage drama.
As an ardent Bok supporter, the rugby should naturally have grabbed my attention for the entire Saturday afternoon while the tennis should have been a pleasant distraction from my duties at the Sunday afternoon braai. As it turns out, I could not wait for the final whistle to blow in the rugby, while in the tennis I couldn’t bear for it to end, so captivating was the performance of those two great players. How has it come to this? – that I would prefer to readily forget a Saturday that saw our World Cup winning captain lift another trophy confirming the series win over the Lions which we have waited over a decade for in favour of a Sunday which saw an individual crowned as the undisputed champion – and legend – in a sport in which I have no particular interest.
In many respects it boils down to what it means to be a world champion – and the responsibility that comes with that title. Roger Federer knows exactly what that means; the Springboks and those that represent them do not. Federer had the number “15” embroidered in gold on the bottom corner on the back of his tracksuit top he wore to receive the Wimbledon trophy to acknowledge his feat of becoming the winner of the most Grand Slam titles in history. He wore it for all of 20 minutes in public and it probably would not have come to anyone’s attention had the interviewer not specifically asked him about it. Maybe it was a bit “naff” but who could possibly begrudge him that small token of self promotion? He had made history after all! Now contrast that with the Springboks’ “statement” during Saturday’s game.
All the players had white arm bands taped on their right arms – with the words “Justice – 4”on it. At first I couldn’t quite work out the significance – was it a new anti-crime campaign or some sort of protest against injustice (I couldn’t quite see rugby players appealing against the long time house arrest of Ban Ki Moon, the human rights activist in Burma). And then I clicked; it was in support of Bakkies Botha and his 2 week ban for dangerous clearing out at a ruck in the second test.
Every rugby commentator, supporter and player has an opinion on whether the penalty fitted the crime; but the simple fact remains – Bakkies was found guilty and this decision was upheld on appeal as well.
By wearing the arm bands this group of players not only cocked a snoot at due process but displayed a complete lack of respect for the very structures that try to ensure that rugby is played on a level playing field. They should have been counting their lucky stars that Schalk Burger did not receive an 18 week ban for eye gouging for which there was precedent. The arrogance of these players – and the coach and administrators, playing under the banner of “World Champions”, is astounding.
I cannot but wonder if Jake White would have tolerated this sort of insubordination had he been in charge. My guess is probably not. Back then the word “respect” meant something. That group of players (and their management) was a shining example of a team that epitomised what makes rugby the game it is – hard and uncompromising, but disciplined and well versed in the traditions of what it means to be a Springbok. On-and-off the field they excelled and were rightly crowned as Rugby World Champions; and there was not a single rugby pundit who disputed this.
Now the landscape is very different; indeed that can even be translated literally – the final test wasn’t even played on a pitch worthy of a high school derby let alone a test match between two bastions of world rugby. The Springboks are now reviled as a bunch of thugs in the international press and their coach is the laughing stock of every newsroom, changing room (possibly even the South African one!) and sitting room across the rugby playing world – including some parts of South Africa. Whether the accusations are true or not is missing the point; the perception is now fully entrenched in the minds of those that the Springboks will encounter on the field and at the press conferences in the months (and maybe years) ahead that they are an ill-disciplined rabble, who can be baited and provoked into mindless acts of both verbal and physical stupidity. Putting it plainly they are on the brink of losing the last vestiges of respect earned as a result of winning the World Cup.
The Boks have bemoaned the fact that not enough recognition has been given to their victory over the Lions. They would do well to remember the old sporting adage: “It’s not whether you win or lose, but how you played the game”. The Springboks might have scrapped well and showed steely determination at times, but overall this Lion’s campaign will most likely be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
I for one am glad it’s over.
6 Jul 2009, 13:32 pm
Wonder somtyds of die coach nie eerder ‘n prediker moes gewees het nie ? Ek glo nou ook daaraan dat die senior spelers hierdie team dra en maak van die span wat dit is. Kan nie regtig sien dat die coach ‘n invloed gemaak het nie. Hy het ‘n span gekry wat al klaar die beste was in die wereld. So nie nodig gehad om te bou nie. As ons spelers gaan verloor einde van die jaar sal mr coach eers regtig besef wat coaching is.
6 Jul 2009, 13:33 pm
#76 Big Hit:
oh, like you were ever going to pick anyone else.
#77 RugbyRulz:
Heaslip was immense, and Id have to pick him in my Series XV:-
15. Kearney
14. Habana
13. BOD
12. Roberts
11. Bowe
10. Jones.
9. Phillips
8. Heaslip
7. Brussow
6. Smith
5. Matfield
4. Shaw
3. Jones.
2. Rees
1. Beast.
6 Jul 2009, 13:33 pm
#79 chris_h:
what did it feel like in the pub during the 55-3 debacle at twickenham?
the boks were hated and thrashed. so much for begrduging respect.
6 Jul 2009, 13:34 pm
#76 Big Hit:
listen to the man
6 Jul 2009, 13:35 pm
Everybody seems to be having a go at ChilliBoy. Man don’t we just love to spew that poison. I’d swear you’d think we lost the whole series 3-0! Go and watch the game again, you reactionary lot, sit down with some nice calming chamomile tea, and you will see that Chilliboy was the best tackler in that first half – the only player who was actually tackling players backwards. He made a few excellent turnovers , had some great touches, and his lineout throwing was impeccable. For some mysterious reason he is the one being blamed for a few poor early scrums on our part. What about the seven other players around him?
Bismarck – as strong a player as he is – came on in the second half and for any good thing he did – (that spectacular turnover) – undid it with a poor lineout throw in a great position, and that silly red blindfold wrapped around his head…!
The game was a lot closer than the scoreline suggests as well. The Lions took their chances – all three of them – and came away with three tries. Odwa’s try toward the end should have stood, and on any other day Kirschner would have either popped that ball inside to Odwa to score, or dived low for the corner.
Let it also be noted that on second viewing – Dickinsion had an absolute shocker of a game. For Monye’s try – the ball from the preceding ruck was deliberately slowed down by Paul O Connel, which gave the Lions a split second extra to align themselves, and it is also touch and go whether or not Monye was off side or not before he charged into the line for the intercept. 14 point turnaround.
On a few occasions their chasers were in front of the kicker (Shane Williams tackling Odwa), and there were several other calls that he missed as well (Heaslip hanging on to the ball while being dragged along by Brussouw – and Shaw pushing Juan Smith out the way for Heaslip to charge through and offload to Williams.) Alos John Smit took a quick penalty in the Lions 22 and Sheridan deliberately tackled him about a metre from the tap. That was cynical and Sheridan should have been carded for that. The less said about that stupid fracas toward the end of the game the better.
It must also be said, that either Flutey or Heaslip could have been man of the match – they had brillaint games – as well as the rest of the Lions players as they collectively defended as if their lives depended on it. They were simply hungrier and luckier, and in a game of such small margins, the end result is that everyone bleats how we where THRASHED and that the players coming in and the coach are absolutely useless. Doom and gloom!
The Boks still won the series, and the Lions deserved at least one victory. All this talk of the Lions scoring more points and tries over the series blah blah fishpaste etc. In the Wimbledon final last night Roddick only dropped one serve the whole game – the 30th game of the final set, and Federer wins! That’s sport – you win by taking the points that matter. Cheer up guys – where or when else does one get to witness such a close series?
What’s with all these vindictive personal attacks by the Keo Klan? Is that good reporting? Methinks they need to take a good long look in the mirror, smooth those deep creases on their foreheads and start reporting impartially.
Leo
6 Jul 2009, 13:41 pm
#73 JL1:
The balance you elude to is such a fine line.
One instance in a match can change the momentum of that match, the tournament or a player or coach’s career.
Rugby is also not an exact science, you work on probables and historical facts but that in no way guarrantees success on the field of play.
Jake was good at this initially as he is an analyst by trade. Hence his ‘defensive playing without the ball’ theory worked because it eliminates a majority of the risk.
His arsenal mainly consisted of a lethal defensive force, because in his theory, the more ball you have the more mistakes you are going to make – so he went around building a system putting teams under pressure, capatilising on mistakes made by them and won a good deal of games doing it.
His areas of concern for this was also limited as he relied on percentage rugby – i.e. kicking the ball downfield and then force wave after wave of disciplined, ruthless defense.
Defense was key to his way of play because you make less mistakes in this area, hence your approach is low risk.
We all know this in itself is not foolproof, as results showed over the years.
The challenge for any coach taking over or coming in is to assess his resources, and strengths of what he has, and build or expand on that and add bits and pieces to get to that elusive more balanced approach.
I said at the World Cup in 2007 that as big a fan that I am of Jake, I remain unconvinced if he now is the guy to take this team forward given the foundation that was laid.
It was just an opinion at the time.
I think PDV has done his utmost to keep much of those resources and structures in place and his failings are when he tries to add elements to this to improve.
He is just impatient in my view but is not doing much wrong.
As I mentioned on the previous thread.
Progression or regression is relative from where you sit, and which mechanics and dynamics you choose as a reference point to gauge it.
There are instances in the last 2 seasons I am not happy with, and instances which I am ecstatic with.
Hollistically however, we are not doing too badly I reckon.
6 Jul 2009, 13:41 pm
#79 chris_h:
The Boks, according to you:
1. Ellis Park is a disgrace;
2. The players have no discipline;
3. The coach is being mocked.
Lions, according to you:
Losers but fine men.
RESULT: 2-1 TO THE BOKS
Your translation. Boks should aspire to be losers but fine young men.
Boy did the British media do a number on you.
6 Jul 2009, 13:42 pm
#81 BlackPanther: I am hard pressed making any changes to your team. I thought Phillips was outstanding.
6 Jul 2009, 13:43 pm
firstly, You dont experiment your B team against the best of 4 nations and charge the supporters R1,200 to watch the experiment!!!
Secondly, DV is a joke, we all know it, its a racial thing that he has the job, if he is good enough then he can be pink for all I care!
Thirdly, The Lions lost the series 2-1! that’s all i know & that is whats written in the history books, not the smiles flying back! The 1997 Boks thrashed the Lions on the last test, but lost series 2-1, there was no smiles on Boks faces, we were beat fairly, even though we scored tons more tries than the Lions then! The fact is 2009 BOKS 2 – 1 LIONS for the rest of our lives!!!
Fourthly, if the BlueBulls team win the Super14 by record margins, then where are the BlueBull players? doesn’t make sense??? The Bulls had two fetchers, why don’t we play two fetchers?
Keo this is amazing article, you got it right 100%!
6 Jul 2009, 13:47 pm
It has been a hard defeat to digest….Having thought long and hard about the 3 x matches….this is my 30 for the tri nations based on merit and with a view to winning the damn thing!
15 F steyn ……..Z Kirchner .
14 JPP…..
11Habana…..Odwa
12 JDV…..WO
13 Adi…..J F
10 M Steyn….R Pienaar
9 F DU Preez….H Adams
8 D Vermeulen…..Spies…[Spies last 30 ]
7 J Smith…..D Potgieter
6 H Brussow….D Steggmann
5 Matfield….A Bekker
4 Bakkies….Rossouw
3 CJ VD Linde….W Kruger
2 J Smit….bissy….Chilliboy
1 bEAST….GUTHRO
Our scrum is a mess….back to basics…lets get a fierce strong front row,,,,Heinke perhaps once recovered can /should come into consideration. I M O the experiment with J Smit is a failure….he deserves to start at 2 …if he moves later in the game be it to 1 …not to 3…the ask is too much.
Vermeulen at 8 to start….Spies and Kanko are pretty anonymous when the heats on….let the game start to break up and unleash supersubs like Ruan and Spies??
Not convinced about Nokwe ,really appeared shaky and a little intimidated at times.
The indiscipline and staging of protests ,etc , must be nipped in the bud,PDV is and will remain accountable here and more firm and decisive Management is required to stop this regression.
All is all we were fortunate to get the series win, but thats in the history books bow….time to start some intens forward planning.
The AB S and Aussies gonna be as difficult!
6 Jul 2009, 13:53 pm
#88 nelio: Are you wearing a smile? I hope so.
6 Jul 2009, 13:54 pm
#88 nelio:
Hello there.
Just want to make sure I am talking to the right man…you played SA U/21, right, and also in WC 2007, from Grey College?
6 Jul 2009, 13:54 pm
Hi all,
Everybody knows Im not a big fan of the bulls, but Saturday’s game did not just irritate me because of all the bulls players, but also for the way the boks threw away a test because the coach used it as an afterthought and experiment for the tri nations.
I know everbody will say dont be so provincial when it comes to the bokke, but here goes.
Wynand Olivier only plays well when the pack dominates and when Sa refs are drilling the opponents (Bulls got 10 out of 14 Sa refs in this years S14)
Same goes for Pierre Spies. He is no force when the tight five struggles, which makes me wonder if he would ever be selected was he to play in a Wp/ Lions squad….
The way PDV is handing out Bok jerseys to everyone with a bulls contract is just ludicrous!!! Hopefully all the Bulls supporters calling for Zane’s, WO, Morne Steyn etc inclusion will wake the hell up!!!
The moment calls go against them they seem to dissapear into the background. I know this was not the side that will face NZ or AU, but still… maybe it is time for the selectors to get their heads out of the Bulls arses and for Andre Watsons to be stopped from appointed bulls loving refs…
It is no good thing when a bok team comprise of only Bulls and no WP…. Everybody knows this….
Chillboy is not even the bulls 1st choice but will forever tell his grand children how “he beat” the lions 2 – 1 in the future…
What a disgrace!!!
As for the coach… I dont think he even realises the kuk he is facing in the tri nations…. He is most certainly riding on Whites team….. and after this tour, when all the cream leaves for overseas deals.. he will truly be found out..
6 Jul 2009, 13:55 pm
#90 Optimus Prime: hahaha… yes im so glad we won the series, its amazing achievement against unbelievably good Lions team…
6 Jul 2009, 13:56 pm
#91 Pietman: Yes thats me, Nelio de Sa
6 Jul 2009, 13:57 pm
The Boks won the series 2-1 and the flak is flying – racism, incompetence, unhappiness. The Brits must have laughed all the way back to Heathrow. Only in South Africa could this happen…nowhere else.
6 Jul 2009, 13:57 pm
#91 Pietman: not WC 2007, 1998 WC qualifiers for Portugal and Montferrand in France
6 Jul 2009, 13:57 pm
#81 BlackPanther:
ridiculous, smit was the diffrence between the sides, and bismarck is a far superior player to rees, if you want to pick philips over FdP in your combined XV you really need your head read and your eyesight checked.
time will tell – oh yes – the mighty ABs and ozzies are up next, and we’ll see just how useless these Bokke players and coach really are.
6 Jul 2009, 13:59 pm
#29 klingon_x:
No its not. It’s bloody dead on. Think about it. For the first time I found myself nodding in agreement with a Keo article. This Bok squad has regressed badly in the last 12 months. Discipline which was instilled under JW is leaving by the back door, and the game plan is rediculous. To put someone as slow as Ndungane on the wing in a Bok jersey is a joke. Monye could probably catch him running backwards.
If it were possible to play the Bulls of the knock out S14 against the BOK A or B side they would hammer them by 30 and 40 points respectively. This group of Lions players were reasonable but I wouldnt put them anywhere near the class of the All Blacks and most of the Aussies. I am just glad this series is over. It’s been a let down of some note.
6 Jul 2009, 13:59 pm
This from the BBC Sports Page:
Final flourish leaves Lions lamenting what might have been
No doubt it will continue to gnaw away at the proud Irishman (O’Connell) long after the dust has settled on one of the greatest, if not successful, Lions series ever.
O’Connell: “After we have got over enjoying this, we might be filled with regret,” he said. “But that is sport. It can be so cruel…We could be looking at ‘what ifs?’ for a long time.”
Ok, help me if I am missing something, but the Lions totally lost the series 2-1 and call this one of the greatest, if not successful, Lions series ever???????
6 Jul 2009, 14:00 pm
#85 PissAnt: Agree
6 Jul 2009, 14:00 pm
Sure they did play good rugby, but this exposes their inferiority complex completely. No true pride, just puffed up arrogance. They did not get it done, the Boks somehow did, by scoring when it mattered the most. They are true champions and won the series for this – end of the story. None of the Tri-Nations teams would EVER, and I mean EVER, come up with such bullSh!t. I guess when you know you cannot win, you have to celebrate coming second. The biggest losers I have ever seen. Maybe this is a good indication why Northern Hemisphere teams get their arses handed to them year in year out by the Southern Hemisphere teams – glorifying being mediocre and living in denial.
And then the “what ifs” that O’Connell and his freaky looking coach have already started when talking to the media without acknowledging the guts and composure of the Springboks. Being in denial about your shortcomings and poor performance in the big moments is a game that any team can play, win or lose; pity it does not change the result.
6 Jul 2009, 14:01 pm
#81 BlackPanther: Ten players from the team that lost the series. If that isn’t mere posturing by an embittered racist South African who supports the All Blacks, I don’t know what is.
Bowe ahead of JP?
BOD (biggest loser of series except maybe ROG) ahead of Jaque?
Anyone on earth ahead of Fourie du Preez or Bakkies Botha?
You’re a joke.
6 Jul 2009, 14:01 pm
Yes I am deliberately trying to be ridiculous to make a point:
To join them and show them we can talk about the “what ifs” let’s start with the “what ifs” from the Boks perspective to show them they are not so unlucky after all:
- What if Piet Snor was doing his proper job assisting a provincial team to learn more about rugby for 5 more years and Nick Mallet/Heyneke Meyer or someone with professional coaching credentials was coaching the Boks in the mean time?
- What if the Boks had some time to play warm up games to work on their combinations/bench players getting game time, BEFORE the first test?
- What if Jacques Fourie played from the start with Jean de Villiers for all 3 tests?
- What if Adi Jacobs was never selected from day one so he can get over his injury?
- What if Piet Snor did not send the subs on too early in Durban?
- What if there were no quotas in SA Rugby?
- What if Ruan Pienaar kicked better in the second test (hit the crossbar basically right in front and missed another easy kick as well)
- What if Bakkies Botha did not get that ridiculous 2 week ban?
- What if Schalk Burger did not have a brain explosion and did not act like an idiot in the first 30 seconds of the second test?
- What if the Boks did not make 10 changes for the last test?
- What if the Dickenson penalized the Lions rush defense for being offside several times? (now I am sounding like a Kiwi or an Aussie in when Jake was Bok Coach).
- What if Dickenson penalized the Lions for obstruction at least for one of their early tries in the third test?
- What if Monye did not intercept and the Boks scored in the most critical moment of the game?
- What if Kirchner did not drop the ball over the tryline?
- What if Kirchner passed the ball in the second minute instead of kicking it?
- What if Ndungane was not cheated out of his try?
We can play this what if game as well, bunch of wankers. You lost, and should have congratulated the Boks FIRST and foremost for beating you. THEN when you get home, you can start this **** when you cry on mom’s shoulder.
6 Jul 2009, 14:02 pm
Chris H makes a point even though we may find it uncomfortable.
Saffas living in London (of which Im one) are not that naive that we fall prey to the very biased UK sporting media……we do know how to access Keo, Planet Rugby, Superrugby and all the usual SA media.
But…
when you are a passionate Bok supporter and your team can do no wrong, it is a bitter pill to swallow for one to defend your team, your coach, their insulation tape prank etc, when deep down you know that PdV comments made in the name of your team makes him, and by definition all of us look like cretins, and when a team with the perception of a steely discipline descends into pre Straeuli menstruation, that the fixed smile on your face becomes just that little bit harder to maintain.
I can see that the phoney sense of “job done” from the Lions tour may well be setting SA Rugby up for a major fall, with a team of brilliant and experienced individuals descending into random mediocrity whilst PdV snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. **** Muir does not have a long enough track record to be a fully proven article, and frankly Gary Gold has a dubious and mediocre UK CV not to mention a hardly glowing SA one either.
At least Chris H can take some solace from the fact the Federer is technically half South African (his mum Lynette is a Du Rand from Kempton Park)
btw Chris – Ban Ki Moon is Secretary General of the UN and is a S Koream male. Aung San Su Kyi is the Burmese leader under house arrest
6 Jul 2009, 14:03 pm
#96 nelio:
Sorry, I was stuck on 2007 from a previous post!
But I remember you well, surname starts with a ‘D’, (a double-name).
Nice to see some of our ‘old’ rugby stars here on keo!
6 Jul 2009, 14:04 pm
The British media backed their boys. The South Africans were waiting, and itching, to put the boot into De Villiers at the first available opportunity. The Poms must have loved it. Allies in the SA press corps backing their propoganda that glossed over a series loss…
6 Jul 2009, 14:04 pm
since when have the supporters become such discipline fundis, f’ck me, talk about a 180 degree flip, it used to be ‘cowboys dont cry’ and now its a disgrace to wear an armband, and so on. Where were you upholders of decency when these okes were pumping up their frozen balle kaalgat in the lake or busy concussing ourselves stukkend at twickenham?
hell, times have changed.
6 Jul 2009, 14:05 pm
#99 savethespringbok: To BIL players and supporters the series is one that just got away from them. To the Boks and supporters it is the series they just won. No side was overly superior… it really could have gone either way.
6 Jul 2009, 14:06 pm
#94 nelio: #105 Pietman:
Sorry, I only saw that post now.
Who were some of the guys you played SA U/21 with, Wayne Julies, Clyde and those?
Are any of them still in the big games?
How about you, still playing?
6 Jul 2009, 14:07 pm
#92 Provvas:
Are you saying the Bulls only won the S14 because the SA refs were on their side?? You better watch out for Tacitus! Run, hide, quick
6 Jul 2009, 14:08 pm
Please let me know if there’s a team around in the world that can stop this one??? Chiliboy weakened the scrum allot, we need powerfull hookers, 20 min in 2nd half we can move John Smit to tighthead and get Bismarck on the pitch! Gurthro on the field same time, poor opp scrum will not enjoy this.
15 F Steyn – Z Kirchner (Sub)
14 JP Pietersen
11 Habana
12 JDV
13 J Fourie – Adie (Sub)
10 M Steyn – R Pienaar (Sub)
9 F Du Preez
8 P Spies – D Rossouw (Sub)
7 D Steggmann – J Smith (Sub)
6 H Brussow
5 V Matfield
4 B Botha
3 CJ vd Linde (Broken Leg, but if we can use him)
2 J Smit – B du Plessis (Sub)
1 Beast – G Steenkamp (Sub)
6 Jul 2009, 14:10 pm
#99 savethespringbok: Mental. I agree with you. Just mental. I’m starting to think all of us here in SA are victims of “invaders of the body snatchers” and only we saw a different score line over three weeks.
6 Jul 2009, 14:12 pm
#111 nelio:
Agreed, John should go back to hooker.
Tight head still a problem though, how about Heinke vd Merwe, he has played there before?
We need a Tommie Loubscher or Cobus Visagie there at #3, or as Danie Gerber once put it, ‘ met ander woorde, ons soek n sterk etter’!
6 Jul 2009, 14:14 pm
#58 Redrover: someone who has a clue about coaching…
perhaps heyneke meyer who should have got the job in the first place
6 Jul 2009, 14:14 pm
#111 nelio:
Providing this team is provided with a good game plan; otherwise they are just 15 great individual players without a clue… IMO this is where a large part of the perceived poor Bok performance has come from in this series. Obviously its debatable…
6 Jul 2009, 14:14 pm
Keo you nob. Just jumping on the band-wagon. I wonder if you called Jake’s White b-side that got drubbed in NZ 33-6 “a disgrace to the jersey”. A bit harsh, but I would expect nothing less from one such as yourself. I haven’t forgotten your days with Soloman and what YOU did to SA rugby.
6 Jul 2009, 14:17 pm
#97 cab:
Strange, I dont remember calling the Boks ‘useless’. Oh, thats because I didnt.
In fact after they won the 2nd Test, I called them awesome and the win ‘one of the Greatest’. Does that disqualify me from saying something with my other eye ?
Personal preferences there, but touch’n'go calls were:-
hooker – Bismarck is more talented but Rees really shone. I reward facts over fiction.
Prop – Beast owned the 1st Test, Jones the 2nd. Smit gets zero marks for that JUSTICE disgrace, Ive been his biggest fan as a Capt, bigger than most Safas pre-RWC, but he deserves to go for that. But wont.
Lock – Shaw, Victor, Bakkies and O’Connell (finally in the 3rd Test) had their moments. Shaw stood out, MoM for losing 2nd Test team. Victor was unrivalled, as ever, in lineout. If picking Bakkies over Shaw appeases your frail constitution, then I can accept that (but Shaw was better).
Loosies – Brussow was superb throughout. Sorry, but Spies did not shine, Heaslip was more powerful with less. Croft scored tries and was everywhere but Smith does those small impt things I like in a blindside flanker.
FdP – is Worlds Best no9. Some superb tactical kicks and covering on D aside, was clearly outplayed by Phillips who really impressed throughout.
no 10 – I dont really rate him, but Jones was better than Pienaar who aint no Tiger Woods yet. In fact, I would have Steyn in there before Ruan. Steyn looks a classic Bok 10 to me, unflappable too.
Centres – no contest whatsoever. And Fourie fans seem quieter after the 3rd Test.
Wings – Habana always threatening. The other wing was a lottery, maybe Fitzgerald would have pressed if he could see. But Bowe had better workrate than JPP.
FB – well only Muliainas attacking now marks him out as Worlds Best because Kearney is the best FB Ive seen since Cullen. A gem.
6 Jul 2009, 14:17 pm
skop uit die infadel!!!
6 Jul 2009, 14:18 pm
#115 Londonbokshark:
Btw, what was last Saturday’s game plan, I still meant to ask?
Anybody?
6 Jul 2009, 14:18 pm
I think the the players are getting gatvol with all the negativity the journos are writing about them…Keo labels them a disgrace……..they have in recent times completed an undefeated eoyt and have just won a Lions series…..very few if any headlines celebrating this feat…..yes it was close and could of gone anyway…….but “if” my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle !!! fact is we won it.
We lost the last game , we all knew with 10 changes it would be difficult, but if it was a plan with the view to the 3N then accept that lessons have been learnt …which is good.
I am not sure how much more negativity the players are going to take before they say “f$#k this, let me go overseas and make easy money…….and we would have our wonderful journos to thank for this……..give the players a break…..yes report on issues you believe need focussing on, but geez give credit as well !!!
6 Jul 2009, 14:19 pm
On regards to a previous article on the schoolboy derby……….Grey Gollege do not give bursaries……….Our best friends whose son has just returned from the Junior Craven Week showed me the paperwork given to him by a representative from Grey College. If thats not a bursary then I cannot read. So dont come with the attitude that Grey College do not buy their players, they do, they make so many offers to kids at the Junior Craven Week its actually shocking. I wonder how many boys who play Grey U/13A ever make it through to the Grey First XV?
6 Jul 2009, 14:19 pm
#37 Breakdown Boy: I disagree, I was at the game, the biggest issue was in 10, 12, 13 and 15, it actually amazing how not a single article has been written on how a terrible failure these okes were
6 Jul 2009, 14:19 pm
#119 Pietman:
Buggered if I know.. Maybe John Smit knows, but he kept it to himself…
6 Jul 2009, 14:21 pm
#119 Pietman: LOL … You should be writing the threads Piet.
6 Jul 2009, 14:25 pm
#102 pierre:
embittered Sth African you say.
Well I seem to see alot of embittered Safas around here, but not I good sir, not I.
I know this might be a concept that you cant quite get your head around, but saying something against Sth Africas magnificent rugby team does NOT maketh one ‘embittered’. And nor does complimenting them make me a cheerleader (besides, Big Hit seems to have taken the last tutu).
If you would have picked Fourie over BOD, who was simply breathtaking throughout, then I fear that our paths will rarely cross. However the no9 and lock positions have much greyer lines.
6 Jul 2009, 14:27 pm
#122 XhosaKid:
What are you smoking ..10,12,13 and 15 played as individuals, and not as a team, from ball going backwards, and under allot of pressure from a suspect off-sides B&I backline. They are good enough to start in the tests, and with more gametime will be very good.
Zane did ok for his 1st test .. but Steyn still better option at this time.
The biggest disapointment was Nokwe .. Chilly struggled in the scrums, but otherwise did ok.
6 Jul 2009, 14:28 pm
BOD pre and post the BIL tour is without doubt the best centre in world rugby.
6 Jul 2009, 14:29 pm
Damn, that Roberts is flash too.
6 Jul 2009, 14:31 pm
Keo – to be fair – if you going to call it a Springbok B side.. then its only fair to call the Lions a B side as well.. they were also seriously depleted with injuries and 7 changes…
but then again, I doubt that would serve your agenda with this article, now would it.
6 Jul 2009, 14:34 pm
Mark, if Barney is indeed coaching the team as most of you hacks believe, why aren’t you having a go at him?! Just a thought.
6 Jul 2009, 14:35 pm
#127 RugbyRulz:
depending on which horse for which course, I would still incl Mortlock in the Best 13 category.
But I would pay the ticket price solely to watch BOD any day and I wouldnt say the same about Mortlock. BOD is genius, pure and simple.
And Roberts has just come on immensely. The collisions between him and Nonu could be quite spectacular !
6 Jul 2009, 14:36 pm
#84 herd: I can agree with that, I was laughing my pants off at game, everytime Chillies made a tackle, the crowd went ‘THE BeeeeeeeeeAST!!!!!!!!!!!
6 Jul 2009, 14:38 pm
#132 XhosaKid:
Jy praat toffee ..
6 Jul 2009, 14:38 pm
#126 Paws: Nokwe??, what should he have done, gone and begged for the ball to go beyond 10, 12, 13??
6 Jul 2009, 14:39 pm
#129 stephen:
Very true.
BIL’s had only about 70% of the originally selected squad playing in the last test.
6 Jul 2009, 14:41 pm
#134 XhosaKid:
At least look interested when chasing a kick, he is %$#@ fast, but never chased at speed .. and when he finaly gets there, at least try and make a tackle.
6 Jul 2009, 14:42 pm
The fact is 2-1 victory. Lions are a professional outfit who set out to spoil our possession on Saturday. They did this well, but not always legally, but the series was over and we didn’t have the intensity required. At the end of the day only Sheridan, Roberts, BOD and Kearney were the best in their positions. Philips, Shaw and Williams would have made our bench. Team of the series: Sheridan, Bismarck, Smit, Victor, Bakkies, Heinrich, Smith, Heaslip, FDP, Steyn, Habs, Roberts, BOD, JPP, Kearney. The sad thing is that many of our players didn’t have their best performances, but were still good enough to better there opposition. Prop and scrumhalf were really interesting battles as was lock, but no-one at 10 put there hand up, I mean all 3 10s had bad moments.
6 Jul 2009, 14:42 pm
#99 savethespringbok:
I would certainly call the 1st 2 Tests as the best back-to-back Tests Ive seen in years. Yes, the Lions lost, but both Tests could have gone either way. What cant you understand about that ?
The Aussies call the 2000 Bledisloe Cup Test, on their home stronghold in Sydney, as The Greatest Test Ever. They lost. And dont tell me Aussies are less proud sportsmen than Safas.
Its called acknowledging the opposition. A strange concept, I know.
6 Jul 2009, 14:42 pm
Nokwe is Cr-p….nothing else describes him…he looks for no work and is pathetic.
6 Jul 2009, 14:43 pm
#129 stephen: BILs proved their depth was there., an embarrassment of riches at the end.
6 Jul 2009, 14:43 pm
#135 Pietman:
True, they are all full internationals who have had constant game time on the tour … most of our “new guys” have not played in some weeks, and it showed.
6 Jul 2009, 14:47 pm
#141 Paws: How many games did Shane Williams play? I didn’t watch all the midweek games.
6 Jul 2009, 14:48 pm
get rid of PDV and get back our world cup winning coach.. I think eddie jones is out of work at the moment.
6 Jul 2009, 14:49 pm
#141 Paws:
Man, if we can’t beat a ’70% Poms team’ at altitude, at home, and at one of the most ‘SA user-friendly stadiums in the world’, then there is something seriously wrong with us.
Not even mentioning a record defeat instead…..
Where/what/ who is the problem?
6 Jul 2009, 14:50 pm
#104 mainecoon: Mainecoon – good spot on Aung (put it in to test you!)
6 Jul 2009, 14:50 pm
#136 Paws: fair critism there, but if we had proper journos in SA, the biggest point of contention should have have been how dismal the much vaunted 10, 12, 13 axis, please also check out post 92.
“92. Provvas :
July 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Hi all,
Everybody knows Im not a big fan of the bulls, but Saturday’s game did not just irritate me because of all the bulls players, but also for the way the boks threw away a test because the coach used it as an afterthought and experiment for the tri nations.
I know everbody will say dont be so provincial when it comes to the bokke, but here goes.
Wynand Olivier only plays well when the pack dominates and when Sa refs are drilling the opponents (Bulls got 10 out of 14 Sa refs in this years S14)
Same goes for Pierre Spies. He is no force when the tight five struggles, which makes me wonder if he would ever be selected was he to play in a Wp/ Lions squad….
The way PDV is handing out Bok jerseys to everyone with a bulls contract is just ludicrous!!! Hopefully all the Bulls supporters calling for Zane’s, WO, Morne Steyn etc inclusion will wake the hell up!!!
The moment calls go against them they seem to dissapear into the background. I know this was not the side that will face NZ or AU, but still… maybe it is time for the selectors to get their heads out of the Bulls arses and for Andre Watsons to be stopped from appointed bulls loving refs…
It is no good thing when a bok team comprise of only Bulls and no WP…. Everybody knows this….
Chillboy is not even the bulls 1st choice but will forever tell his grand children how “he beat” the lions 2 – 1 in the future…
What a disgrace!!!
As for the coach… I dont think he even realises the kuk he is facing in the tri nations…. He is most certainly riding on Whites team….. and after this tour, when all the cream leaves for overseas deals.. he will truly be found out..”"
6 Jul 2009, 14:50 pm
#142 RugbyRulz:
Think he played in all the midweek games .. including the emerging boks. Speaking under correction though.
6 Jul 2009, 14:51 pm
De Villiers is nothing but a Village Idiot….when will the powers at be learn that this man is doing more damage to our rugby than he could ever do good. It plain to see that he should at most be coacking schoolboy rugby, he should take his so called “God given talent” and flush it down the toilet cos I think we have heard and seen enough of this “WANNABE”
6 Jul 2009, 14:52 pm
#106 OzyAvo: One smallish problem, PdV embaressed himself and South African rugby with his nonsense and general lack of appreciation of the Lions.
Apart from that the SA public expects the team to win where as the NH guys are happy when they do.
6 Jul 2009, 14:55 pm
#140 RugbyRulz: or the wrong team selected to start with…
6 Jul 2009, 14:56 pm
#146 XhosaKid: The only players that are not up to test rugby are Nokwe (fast, but ****), Ndungane (too slow and poor finisher, butchered 2 tries) and Chilliboy (can’t scrum, can’t throw). Kirch will get better and 10, 12 and 13 were not great but showed enough promise. We’ve got depth, but both wings must be dropped from squad.
6 Jul 2009, 14:58 pm
#151 Morne Steyn is under-rated:
Chili did not lose one line out.
6 Jul 2009, 14:58 pm
#147 Paws: A luxury to have a player of his calibre (and out of form too) finally playing in the last test. BILs were not a **** side just a difficult job getting the combinations right.
6 Jul 2009, 15:00 pm
#86 Optimus Prime:
The Boks, according to you:
1. Ellis Park is a disgrace; CORRECT
2. The players have no discipline; CORRECT
3. The coach is being mocked. CORRECT
Lions, according to you:
Losers but fine men. ER NO – LOSERS YES.
RESULT: 2-1 TO THE BOKS: CORRECT
Your translation. Boks should aspire to be losers but fine young men. ER NO – BOKS SHOULD ASPIRE TO BE WINNERS AND FINE YOUNG MEN
Boy did the British media do a number on you. NO I HAVE A SCEPTICAL EYE FOR ALL THEIR WHINGING AND BIAS. ITS NO WORSE THAN SOME OF THE DRIVEL DISHED UP ON THIS SITE
6 Jul 2009, 15:01 pm
#151 Morne Steyn is under-rated:
Also, Ndungane scored that try.
Bryce Lawrence – despite seeing 50 replays – still got it wrong. That’s about what I expect from him.
Very mediocre ref.
6 Jul 2009, 15:01 pm
#150 Big Hit: Yep, think Vickers was hung out to dry without the right lock pairing behind him. Or a beefier hooker alongside to nullify the Bizzy/Beast teamwork
6 Jul 2009, 15:04 pm
#155 Sheriff: Hahaha… Finally Lawrence got it right.
You are priceless.
6 Jul 2009, 15:04 pm
wynand oliviers’ passing game is amazing, he’s ability to put players into space with those magnificint passes are a thing of beauty.
6 Jul 2009, 15:06 pm
#156 RugbyRulz: yeah there were a number of things stretching back to initial tour selection, that was one of the big ones. It’s hard to get it all right I suppose but they got the pack selection badly wrong.
6 Jul 2009, 15:07 pm
#158 b@r1: agree, he put Monye into acres of space and created a wonderful try
6 Jul 2009, 15:12 pm
frans stein you beauty..that boot of yours is so prodigious, I’m sure you could drop kick from your own 22.
6 Jul 2009, 15:13 pm
#152 PissAnt:
I suppose the stationary requirement of throwing in to a lineout worked in his favour. Otherwise he seemed to spend alot of time sucking in some big ones. And this in the 1stH.
He has the best name in the team, even counting Beast. But I dont see Baywatch Grobbelaar getting the nod any time soon.
6 Jul 2009, 15:13 pm
#157 RugbyRulz:
Boks did not deserve to win the 3rd Test, but that was a try.
Stu D if TMO would have awarded it.
Is Bryce Lawrence Steve Walsh’s replacement?
I still believe that the Kiwis are the thought leaders in rugby union, but how long will they stay there? Their refs are just pathetic.
Strange personalities. Is it that hard just to be normal?
Do they want to tell me that they cannot find one normal person like Jonathan Kaplan/Mark Lawrence there?
What exactly is the problem?
Can you put thru a request to the relevant party to improve the Reunion studio? I beg you.
6 Jul 2009, 15:15 pm
#151 Morne Steyn is under-rated: I cannot agree with you more on the Ndungane twins, I have always maintained that they piss-poor. But you are wrong on Chilly, 100% throw, most number of ( effective)tackles, had Nokwe gotten the same opportunities as the useless Ndungane, he would have finnished them off
6 Jul 2009, 15:16 pm
Some good comments,by Keo,some not so good.The guys
Piet Helium selected are next in line.If FduP is not
available,Pienaar is next and so on.
The whole series was decided by one penalty goal and a magnificent one.It was however due to the discretion of
one Lions player and he will rue this for the rest of
his life.
In all fairness,PdV decision not to play the Boks
proved to be a blessing in disguise.If the Sharks front
row had faced the visitors,their weakness would have
been exposed much earlier.Their coach would have rectified
this problem even if he had to fly in some decent props.
The fact is that the Bok’s front row power came as a complete
surprise for the visitors and seldom has a Lions prop
looked as lonely and sad as in the first test.
In the second test the Lions came back strongly and a draw
in all fairness would have been a better reflection
of the game.
So what have the Boks to do.It is simple stick to a basic rugby plan.Use the forwards to provide good front
foot ball in own half,pin the Aussies and Kiwis in their own
half by good tactical kicking.
Put some points on the board by penalty or drop goal or
use the maul or whatever the situation demands.I dont care
if you have to kick them to pieces ,but whatever you do
dont do what you did on Saturday,because that is the road
to the wooden spoon.
6 Jul 2009, 15:17 pm
This **** about hanging onto JW’s coat-tails is ridiculous.
JW’s 2006 and 2007 (bar RWC) were shocking – 49 – 0 anyone? Truth is JW had been worked out by everybody and the rush defence was being breached time and again. For the RWC we nearly fluffed it against Fiji and only had to overcome Argentina and England who just didn’t have the firepower.
The player’s have the talent but JW’s no-risk approach was a disaster after 2005, in particular because it relied too much on Schalk Burger.
PdV has a similar CV to JW but his team shows no structure or purpose. I watched from the stands of Loftus and for the first 60 minutes it looked like the Boks were a club pick-up side they were so disorganized and directionless.
Jamie Roberts is a crashballing center who goes to ground with the ball – should have been easy enough to contain but we let him look like a hero.
The Lions were average bar a few but very well-drilled and structured which allowed them to nearly defeat the Boks.
PdV and his coaching team must answer for that, all of them. Muir is not too bad but Gold is not cutting it as a forwards coach. You can see it the way the Boks dealt with the rucks that the structure and platform is absent – nobody really knew their jobs.
Contrast the forwards performance with the best drilled SA-side, the Bulls, please (I’m a Gauteng Lions fan btw)? In the Bok A-side there were 3 Bulls forwards in the starting line-up. Not enough to maintain the drill patterns. And Burger’s from WP who don’t have a clue about forward play:)!
Far more talented but better drilled teams like the ABs and OZ will destroy us.
Fact is, we haven’t had a world-class coach since Nick Mallett.
6 Jul 2009, 15:17 pm
Complete rubbish about the Lions and Brits being delusional. We lost the series against the current world champions, and most fans are pissed off but accept that. If you call 47 olympic Medals in 2008, 101 Nobel Prize winners (2nd after the USA), more world class musicians/bands /artists than you can shake a stick at,a City economy (London) bigger than SA an acceptance of mediocrity, then you’re being delusional. And we should not forget the hordes of SA expats who make their way to the British Isles for a more “mediocre” lifestle. not! And please ignore the fact that these Islands gave the world the games of Rugby, Football, Cricket and Golf… not bad for a “mediocre” backwater off the Northern Coast of Europe. This excludes the language we’re using and the world wide web. Exluding Wales, Rugby Union is a minority sport in the British Isles, and we don’t invest as much of our national identity and psyche in the sport, as there is more to these islands than are dreamt of in your philosophy, to paraphrase our most mediocre writer – Willem Wikkelspies, a Midlander, nogal!
6 Jul 2009, 15:18 pm
#158 b@r1: call it visionary, as much as I’m pissed off that we lost, at least on the bright said, PDV now knows who to pick at 10, 12, 13, and 15, quite frankly, none of the guys who started on Saturday should wear those numbers, actually even 11 and 14
6 Jul 2009, 15:21 pm
#154 chris_h:
and none of the whinging and bias you refer to holds a stick to that JUSTICE **** that the Boks rammed down everyones throats. A classic case of the players egos forgetting which jersey they were wearing.
6 Jul 2009, 15:23 pm
The Slow/backward ball from the bok forwards and the rush defense of the Lions (bordering on offsides ostly, but played the ref well)meant that any ball Wynand Olivier got was prone to a) being intercepted and b)nothing really on outside him.
It seems he was, more often than not, forced to step inside or try and take the half-gap. on the odd occassion he was able to offload to JF. the boks were forced to play from deeper and thus never got onto the front-foot.
I believe we still miss Butch james, especially in a game like this.
6 Jul 2009, 15:23 pm
#163 Sheriff: hahaha provocateur.
If Stud had another camera angle then perhaps the try he awarded in the previous test would not have been.
Lawrence is plain bad. He is easily intimidated and has no clue when it comes to scrum time.
Stevie Walsh (I still call him Junior) isn’t a bad ref he just likes to impart too much of his opinion on the game. He is just like a ref at a local U12′s game giving the boys a lecture every time he blows his whistle. Pity Stevie couldn’t get a handle on the after hours frivolity and his school teacher type reffing.
I think Mark Lawrence shades Kaplan. Lawrence makes fewer errors, poor Kappers has difficulty reffing the breakdown post ELVes and final ELVes. Hopefully it is constant now he will settle.
Reunion studio is a site? I am not aware of it.
Lastly I am an Aussie and DICKinson is not my favourite referee. BUT! I have to say that upon returning from his sojourn of refereeing in the NH he has improved immensely.
6 Jul 2009, 15:25 pm
Keo what a load of ****. Virtually all the players come from the White era with only 4 players coming in PDV era. Clearly what PDV has done is taken the JW team and continued. He still deserves credit for picking them. What he did for Saturday was pick most players the media wanted in the team. Why do you guys say nothing about the k%k display by the so called feature centre pairing. Meisiekind is S14 standard and not up to test level. JF and Spies is not what you guys make them out to be. Your (media) prejudice against Adi is soooo obvious. The squad need to be strengthened outside of the current crop. Bring in Potgieter, Vermeulen, CJ,BJ, Watson, Strauss and Vermaak. Actually my call is for PDV to be decisive and get rid of JW trash that can’t cut it that this level. Time for some of our old guard heroes to put up their feet and enjoy!
Time also to keep more ball and not kick so much away. By the way FDP and MS kicked k%k and that frustrated me the most. ZK kicking away with 2 man overlap was a classic example of players being coached out of thinking on the park. That was more typical of JW strategy.
Fact is the score flatters our tourists, Monye try 14 point swing and Ndungane try and it is a different ball game.
Well done PDV and team keep up the good work and don’t worry about the racist media
6 Jul 2009, 15:26 pm
#170 green_and_gold: Butchie is injured, agree it wasn’t all Olivier’s fault.
6 Jul 2009, 15:26 pm
#168 XhosaKid:
My guess is that they wanted to beat the BI Lions with a B-team.
That was the objective. Now those players were really poor, but still if it had come off, Geech would have been too embarrassed to appear in public again.
Again, 10 changes a bit much but also a sign of disrespect when you dont field your best team.
6 Jul 2009, 15:27 pm
#155 Sheriff:
Funny. Didnt hear any complaints when Lawrence pinged the Lions 6 times in a row in the 1st Test. Or when he gifted them 9pts from scrums alone. Or when he allowed, nay encouraged, Beasts illegal and dangerous scrummaging. Or when he allowed Burger to return to the field which meant Boks were able to claim the Series.
Did he also not gift SA S14 sides with some bizarre rulings ? (eg Sharks vs Chiefs)
In fact, there is a rather strong case to state that Bryce Lawrence is the SARUs ‘b*tch’. Im sure that new beachhouse in Clifton Bay has a lovely view indeed.
6 Jul 2009, 15:28 pm
m.steyn, your kicking is simply sublime. Don’t let anyone tell you differently. You don’t need to “read” a game to be a great flyhalf.You don’t need spatial awareness. I say rubbish to all that hocus pocus, when the penalties are there to be kicked, you show them that none of that other junk matters.
6 Jul 2009, 15:29 pm
#173 Big Hit:
cheers. Olivier would not be my first choice, but the finger-pointing at the centres and wings is not very accurate.
The intensity and clinical play at the breakdown and tackle point was the major difference between the two teams, and this has a domino effect in terms of possession and front-foot ball.
6 Jul 2009, 15:32 pm
#171 RugbyRulz:
Aus/NZ same general direction from here…
No Kaplan the best, Mark improving all the time, but dont worry they’re both S-African.
Stu should be full time TMO. Only and only SA refs should be allowed to handle internationals.
I have not even touched on the NH clowns. I have not seen 1 of them handle a game properly. They are national embarrassments, all of them.
6 Jul 2009, 15:34 pm
ha ha ha i like these bokke, they also toyi-toyi on the the field by wearing arm bands to demonstrate against “victimisation”! Now that is a hallmark of a true people’s team! Last year it was the racism star now justice-4!
And you’ve got some here trying to chide the bokke! This team has shed it’s ignoble past & “tradition” of being indifferent to what is happening in our country! Go bokke!
“after all de villiers was gifted the job in the name of transformation”
You are damn right keo and we make no apologies about it, he submitted his cv, the president’s council guided by the mandate in the saru constitution to transform the sport from the disgrace it was, made the decision to appoint him based on his success in the age group levels & to make true on the ideals of transformation that are enshrined in ourcountry’s constitution! Suck it up or stuff off keo & co!
These hypocrites slate “transformation” in rugby yet the mother company of this very website is highbury “safika” media!!!! You may ask yourself the question, who is “safika”? Aha!!!
you gotta love south africa & it’s idiosyncrasies!
phambili pdv phambili!
6 Jul 2009, 15:36 pm
Bah.
This article is not worthy of my measured and well-considered responses.
KEO
You are just gatvol because your 3-0 prediction went flying.
6 Jul 2009, 15:37 pm
#175 BlackPanther:
Pls can I ask that he be removed from your refs panel there.
I need something that will make me see NZ in a different light!
I have cancelled my RWC 2011 travel plans because of him and Piri Weepu…
6 Jul 2009, 15:37 pm
#178 Sheriff: Lawrence is better than Kaplan these days. Absolutely brilliant reading of the game and excellent temprament.
6 Jul 2009, 15:38 pm
#114 fish out of water: If you think a white guy will be coach soon….you’re in LALA land…any other suggestions?
6 Jul 2009, 15:38 pm
#171 RugbyRulz:
It was interesting, indeed, that we only got 2 angles for the Fourie try which was allowed. But that we got 3/4 angles for Ndunganes, and it was disallowed.
I suppose there is a correlation there somewhere…..Series hangs in balance = 2 angles; Series already won = as many as you would like, Sir.
Walsh suffers from the Peacock factor, his ego gets in the way of the whistle. Can sound irritating albeit like Opera at the la Scala compared to Matt Goddard.
Mark Lawrence is by far the best SA ref together with Kaplan, altho Kaplan was very inconsistent this season. Jonker and Joubert are embarrassments however and dont seem aware of many rules. And they look for trophy bookings like Wayne Barnes has always done – Joubert is aprticularly poor at this Captains and star players often get penalised and warned.
6 Jul 2009, 15:39 pm
#178 Sheriff: I actually prefer NH referees because they referee the breakdown. They don’t wait when a player holds onto the ball, they blow it up. You don’t get anywhere near the off the ball stuff, simply because the ref has blown it before the cheap shots happen. I feel this is where our SH refs get it so wrong. They hang back far too long, waiting for players to secure their ball. What BS, if a player gets his hands on the ball, whilst on his feet… blow it. INSTANT PENALTY. This is where we down south get it wrong.
6 Jul 2009, 15:39 pm
A friend of mine sent me this…makes u think…
The entire front row is wrong. It’s been plain-sight obvious from the very beginning… But for Ugo Monye losing the ball as he went over the line in the 1st Test; Danie Rossouw getting concussed at Loftus in the 2nd (which brought on Heinrich – by ‘luck’, which ultimately swung the game) and a dubious last-second penalty against O’Gara – and we could quite easily have lost the series 0 – 3.
The Lions pack f#cked up our pack – again. Which all starts with the front-row getting pummeled… John Smit is NOT a world-class no. 3. The Beast is NOT our strongest no.1. And neither Bismarck nor Ralepelle are our best no. 2. Heinke vd Merwe is our strongest loosehead, John is our hooker, and CJ vd Linde and BJ Botha our best tightheads – as acknowledged by basically every rugby expert and scribe around the globe…………except the ‘rocket-scientists’ that run the game here in SA.
I promise you right now – no front row in the world would dominate Heinke; John and CJ (or BJ) at 1, 2 and 3. None. Then add to them, Bakkies and Victor at 4 and 5; and Heinrich, Juan and Pierre at 6, 7 and 8 – and you will have the best pack in world rugby – pure power and strength – supported by a perfectly balanced loose-trio, and with any number of options at the line-out. On the bench would be The Beast – a perfect impact player with his strength and mobility; Bismarck; Danie Rossouw (lock) and Schalk covering for the loosies. All 4 bench players could swing a close game with their ‘impact’…
But sheer rugby-ignorance, stupidity, stubborn-ness and politics/quotas will deny us that pack. That – together with papsak’s pig-headed stubborn-ness to stick to his favourites (Ruan at 10, and AD Jacobs at 13) no matter how much they struggle or the experiment fails – will see to it that we continue to lurch between squeaky wins and defeats, with the odd good win interspersed…
And the majority of the paying SA rugby public will continue to ‘blindly’ follow…….with their support and their pockets…and thus nothing changes…and round-and-round-and-round, making the same mistakes, we go………..
1997 and 2009 – history has repeated itself. How? The better team lost the series in both cases… In 1997 Carel du Plessis’ team played some brilliant rugby – outscoring the Lions by 9 tries to 3 in the series – but Andre Joubert; Percy Montgomery and Henry Honiball between them couldn’t put a kick over to ‘save their lives’ – and we lost on kicks. In 2009 – the Lions coach, Ian McGeechan, made crucial mistakes with his selection for the 1st Test (in the pack), and, but for the events mentioned in my first paragraph – they could’ve won 3 – 0, or at least 2 – 1.
The difference is Carel is white, Afrikaans, and highly intelligent with a brilliant rugby-brain. He lost his job. Papsak is not white, has an IQ of 65 (if that) and supports the ANC. He will keep his………
That is not being ‘racist’ at all – simply pointing out the truth. All I (we) ask for – is for the best 22 players in their respective positions to be selected, with the best coaches and management team – irrespective of race or any other political requirement… Alas – that is not the case in SA…. And I refuse to walk around with blinkers on pretending all is ok with the current team selections and coach – and saying all the ‘right’, politically-correct things… Just speak the truth – no matter how much it embarrasses the political power-base in SA.
If Jake White and Eddie Jones were still coaching our team, with the playing personnel they would have selected, and their game-plan (the right game-plan for Springbok rugby) – following through with the 2007 RWC team, with a few additions (eg Heinke, Heinrich and Morne) – we would’ve comfortably won the Tri-Nations last year (possibly even P6, W6), and this series 3 – 0 – and again quite comfortably so………….
Alas………………………………………………………………………………………………… ‘Nuff said. Sad actually. Good thing not even PC politicians and administrators can change history – and by that I mean 101 years of Springbok Test rugby history from 1891 to 1992……… J The true Springbok will live for ever… J
6 Jul 2009, 15:39 pm
I don’t think he knows who Safika is.
Used to be the Highbury Monarchs.
Then they were extremely frightfully frightfully stiff upper lip chin chin.
6 Jul 2009, 15:40 pm
Great Article Keo.
The Bok supporters who paid R1140 a ticket should demand their money back. REFUND us you morons.
What a bloody disgrace.
Oh well thats SA what can one do?
A ****** coach chose a ****** Bok team.
I wonder why some of the players from the emerging Boks did not get selected.
6 Jul 2009, 15:41 pm
#184 BlackPanther: I’d take Walsh over Goddard any day. Pity about Walsh… he actually can referee.
6 Jul 2009, 15:41 pm
#187 Dawn: I thought you are not commenting?
6 Jul 2009, 15:42 pm
#182 Big Hit:
It would seem that “some of us have a hearing problem”
I said Kaplan is better.
6 Jul 2009, 15:44 pm
#185 RugbyRulz:
Rugby union clearly not your preferred sport
6 Jul 2009, 15:44 pm
#181 Sheriff:
B.Lawrence is better than Joubert and Plonker, or atleast not worse is a better way of putting it.
Weepu ?
I tell you what. Im guessing that after 6 years, that Victors arm has finally healed. We will drop Lawrence if Victor leaves his armour at the door together with that pathetic little Billboard on his helmet.
6 Jul 2009, 15:44 pm
#191 Sheriff: and I disagreed, I think Mark Lawrence is better. I’m allowed to have a different opinion, no? (with all due respect to your own opinion of course)
6 Jul 2009, 15:46 pm
#193 BlackPanther: Joubert isn’t bad at all, Jonker a little hit and miss but tries his best and does a decent job overall. I don’t think Bryce was too bad either but won’t thank him for the ‘at least a yellow’.
6 Jul 2009, 15:46 pm
#186 Shanus:
Might as well pack your bags boet!:devil:
6 Jul 2009, 15:46 pm
#188 Boksarenumber1: Ag no man…if you got nothing to say…just shut it.
It does not matter who they choose…support them or you are a ****** supporter….Bloody hell!!
6 Jul 2009, 15:46 pm
#183 Redrover:
We don’t want a ‘white’ coach!
Because we don’t want to wake up the Dept. of Sport again.
Please, let PdeV stay…at least he keeps the Stofiles and the Frolicks and the Drugmores and the Komphelas at bay….
Even if we lose, we can lose in peace….
6 Jul 2009, 15:47 pm
#192 Sheriff: Squash & swimming were my forte. Rugby is a family passion, father( beloved and passed on), brother, husband & sons.
6 Jul 2009, 15:48 pm
How on earth will the Boks win the tri nations?????
Never gonna happen
6 Jul 2009, 15:48 pm
#193 BlackPanther:
Bryce must learn to enjoy rugby. Seems like a awfully heavy burden to ref a match.
Both Craig and Marius will be better in time. You know that.
6 Jul 2009, 15:49 pm
#195 Big Hit: Hopefully this year will be a growth year for Bryce Lawrence. It isn’t possible to go backwards, is it?
6 Jul 2009, 15:49 pm
#189 RugbyRulz:
Agreed. Not just Walsh over Goddard tho. Anyone.
Walshe is a good ref. But majorly flawed. Was embarrassing during Lions tour of ’05 and also match involving Eng at RWC. He appears to referee with some personal bias at times which means that he shouldnt be anywhere near a whistle. Maybe he is the reincarnate of Gert Bezuindenhout ?
6 Jul 2009, 15:50 pm
#198 Pietman: Die realiteit is dat daar geen ander “non white” coach is nie, so hoekom gaan ons nog so aan…
Face the facts all…PDV IS HERE TO STAY…live with it.
6 Jul 2009, 15:50 pm
#194 Big Hit:
Big Hit
Are you not from the UK, England?
What do you have to offer? Tony Spreadbury, or what is the freak’s name again, the one with the g*y giggle
6 Jul 2009, 15:51 pm
#202 RugbyRulz: ..well according to this website PdV has!!!!
6 Jul 2009, 15:51 pm
#199 RugbyRulz: I watched some Aussie rules highlights for the first time the other night, I must admit it was pretty enjoyable. I can see why Aussies have trouble taking to a game like Union when you have a fast-moving exciting sport like that.
6 Jul 2009, 15:52 pm
F.du preez, the box kicking, out-of-the-box kicking super best scrumhalf in the whole wide world. I can’t adequately put into words how super duper you are, with those box kicks.They just so awesome and everytime, all the time, without any respite.The opposition just don’t know how to deal with all those super sleek box kicks of yours, and must be asking themselves contsantly, WWFD.
6 Jul 2009, 15:53 pm
#205 Sheriff: we have Wayne Barnes to offer, the finest NH ref of them all, the jewel in PO’Brien’s crown
6 Jul 2009, 15:53 pm
#199 RugbyRulz:
Family passion = hobby?
Well, here it is a religion. It’s a lifestyle. My house is painted in Green and Gold!
That’s how committed we are on this side…
Surely we will know best?
6 Jul 2009, 15:54 pm
#209 Big Hit:
I’ll escalate that one to Blackpanther or is that black mechanic, hahaha
6 Jul 2009, 15:55 pm
#204 Redrover: What about Errol Tobias?
6 Jul 2009, 15:56 pm
#207 Big Hit: …are you going soft in the head…
Prouncing in there little “ball itch” to small shinny panty pants and doing the pancy “I kick the ball to you kick it up the next guys ***” No man BH, first you loose your edge and now you have gone totally bonkers.
You have gone incircles with KEO to long …sit down or have a nap and then you will see clearly again.
Bliksem Ousie rules…verbeel jou!!!!
6 Jul 2009, 15:57 pm
#171 RugbyRulz:
Ask a blogger by the name of “chch” about the Reunion studio
6 Jul 2009, 15:57 pm
#212 Tallyho: …is he more qualified than PdV?
6 Jul 2009, 15:57 pm
Boks that failed hopelessly
15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Odwa Ndungane
12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Jongi Nokwe,
4 Johann Muller 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle
7 Juan Smith is passed his sell by date
6 Jul 2009, 15:57 pm
#204 Redrover:
Paul Treu miskien, enigste wat ek aan kan dink.
Daarom se ek, hou PdeV daar, en gee hom net twee nuwe assistente (Gert Smal en Alan Solomons).
En sodoende hou ons die politici se bekke stil.
6 Jul 2009, 16:00 pm
#215 Redrover:
My comments here are pure gold!
6 Jul 2009, 16:01 pm
#217 Pietman: …weereens die vraag…is hy meer gekwalifiseerd as PdV. Nee!
So, lets move on….he is staying.
6 Jul 2009, 16:02 pm
#215 Redrover: Its the first name that came up when you asked the question, i think Errol will be a good coach, back in the Super Sport/rugby days the guy talked a lot of sense unlike PdV sometimes?
6 Jul 2009, 16:03 pm
#207 Big Hit:
I suppose you dig Andy Murray too.
6 Jul 2009, 16:03 pm
#210 Sheriff: Oh I dunno, grew up watching my brother play both union and league (he played both at the same time just like my father). Met my husband who played both codes at the same time too. It must be the old school Aussie thing… play two games a week for the hell of it. Sons played rugby only (purists) and husband coached lads from littlies up to and including colts. My boys played 2 games of rugby each week too; one for school and one for their local club sides. So I think I know all about it.
Did I mention I swam and played squash at the same time too. Multi-tasking lot we are.
6 Jul 2009, 16:03 pm
#219 Redrover:
Ek stem.
6 Jul 2009, 16:04 pm
#217 Pietman:
“Gert Smal en Alan Solomons”
Ag sies man
6 Jul 2009, 16:04 pm
#220 Tallyho: …well maybe he can interpret…!
6 Jul 2009, 16:05 pm
#195 Big Hit:
To be fair, Berdos already had his back turned to Lawrence and was half way thru a Gallic shrug. Little chance Lawrence had to pass his opinion even if he wanted to. There can be no doubt however, any ref should call Burger a straight RC. 1st or last minute.
btw – Did you see F.Steyn enter the ruck from the side, illegally, and clearout the Lions in the very last minute of the 3rd Test ? It was Bakkies but without the extra 30kegs. Dangerous, but he got away with it.
But watch the queue of local apologists try and equate Simon Shaws unfortunate knee in back offence to Burgers eye-gouging. Even good old Puma seemed to indicate that Shaw probably had more intent. Most disappointing, old school should know better than that. But, hey, Shaw has done it before so will take it on the chin even if it looked as intentional as scratching the Club Capts car at the golf club. Has Shaw been victimised perhaps ???? Oh no, JUSTICE 4 SHAW !
#201 Sheriff:
and how is that NOT possible ? both are completely and absolutely out of their depth. Being very certain with your arm signals and having an inherent stature of authority does not a good referee make. I have not seen worse refs than these 2 in last few years, who can forget that Laurel & Hardy act last season when they allowed Andy Ellis back on the field via the ‘bloodbin’ (frankly, the ABs would play better with 14 men anyway, I was hoping theyd keep Ellis off…).
6 Jul 2009, 16:05 pm
#224 Boksarenumber1:
Wie anders, as assistente?
6 Jul 2009, 16:07 pm
As a bok supporter I think your article is pathetic Keo. As a journalist to make statements about a touring countries character over a sporting competition is childish. The British have done particularly well in the last Olympics the Premier League is the best in the world and England have won the rugby world cup before so it really does not hold water. Also if the Lions are as bad as you predicted when they first arrived they are heroes for running us so close. Remembering this is a home series how many of us would be confident of a bok victory if there was a reverse leg scheduled in the UK.
6 Jul 2009, 16:07 pm
Now this is only my opinion for what its worth but here goes.
The bokke have just beaten the British and Irish Lions 2-1 and everyone was predicting a whitewash. By all accounts as the World Champions and the talent we had at our disposal it could have been, but it wasn’t and why not.
In my opinion the Boks never played most of the rugby in all of the Tests and I saw no evidence of a side coached with specific tasks and game plan to epxose the Lions weaknesses. You might say “well what about the first test”. In that test we converted 2 try scoring opportunities early in the first and second halves but for the same token could have been way behind had the Lions converted their chances. Then came the brainfart of 6 substitutions at once ( i think it was 6) and we nearly lost it.
In the second test we trailed almost 80% of the game to be handed the game in extra time by ROG. The Lions always looked superior to us on the field in that game until they lost their 2 props to injury and we went to uncontested scrums. Had Rossouw not being injured we might have also had a different outcome.
So if we say the result stands and thats all that matters I have to ask the question “what pulled us through in the end” and I ahve to come to the conclusion that on the evidence as I view it (personal opinion) the only reason is that these players in the Boks side were desparate to add a Lions tour success to their World Cup success and if that is so then that edge will not be there in the 3N’s and who knows what the result will be.
I for one do not share the view that we are favourites to win the 3N’s or that PDV and his coaching team are busy bringing about a new era in South African rugby. Lets hope I’m wrong and I’ll give him every bit of support he needs. But he needs to step up to the plate and take charge now, this has to become His Team.
6 Jul 2009, 16:08 pm
#213 Redrover: hehe Union will always be my no.1 sport but I can’t lie, it was kinda entertaining.
#221 Dawn: nah, not hugely into men’s tennis
6 Jul 2009, 16:09 pm
#207 Big Hit: Aussie Rules is a variant of the Gaelic game. It is popular but not global so it has limitations. The skill when taking a mark is great, the lads fly up high with no assistance of lifters. Gifted athleticism but not my cup of tea. I am not one much for soccer (real football) but I do admire the skill needed to play the game.
6 Jul 2009, 16:09 pm
#228 malcolm: With all the support the BL’s had i thought this was a home series for THEM!
6 Jul 2009, 16:10 pm
#211 Sheriff:
Its his only joke. Dont steal his thunder, he’d have nothing left.
Actually I like Chris White, probably the best around. Owen is good too.
Never pick an Irish ref otherwise you’ll be begging for Matt Goddard who whistles considerably less. Paddy refs the worst, although England always love them because there are so many penalty kicks.
6 Jul 2009, 16:10 pm
#229 bananaboy: i share that opinion.
6 Jul 2009, 16:11 pm
#222 RugbyRulz:
Paint your house gold/mustard and green, then we talk again.
It’s time be radical.
6 Jul 2009, 16:12 pm
#203 BlackPanther: NO that honour best suits Dickinson!
6 Jul 2009, 16:12 pm
#227 Pietman: Neeeeeeeee man, Pietman as Agterspeler-afrigter en GBS as Voorspeler-afrigter !
Dan fokkkkkkkk ons sommer die hele wereld op !
Hehehe
6 Jul 2009, 16:12 pm
#226 BlackPanther:
They’re still better than what NZ will produce in the next 10 years.
Unlike you Kiwis, rugby is in our blood…
6 Jul 2009, 16:13 pm
#226 BlackPanther: hahaha… son had my car the other day… Some ba$tard in the parking lot left a friggin ding in my front guard. You got it… at the golf club.
6 Jul 2009, 16:14 pm
#227 Pietman:
Boet Solomons is twak
6 Jul 2009, 16:14 pm
#68 PissAnt: “If there is something so terribly wrong with the team why would John Smit commit to 2011 under this coach?” – Because he knows what big **** we would be in if he left this ingratiate in charge!!!
6 Jul 2009, 16:14 pm
#233 BlackPanther:
You guys must step up.
I’m getting tired of this mediocrity!
6 Jul 2009, 16:15 pm
15 F Steyn
11 Habana
12 JDV
13 ADI
14 JPP
10 M STEYN
9 FDP
8 D VERMEULEN
7 D POTGIETER
6 BRUSSOW
5 MATFIELD
4 BAKKIES
3 CJ VD LINDE….IF UNFIT W KRUGER
2 J SMIT
1 BEAST
16 Bissy
17 guthro
18 d rossow
19 spies
20 r pienaar
21 j fourie
22 h adams
This team to take us forward.
6 Jul 2009, 16:15 pm
#240 Boksarenumber1:
Check what he did with the Southern Kings….
6 Jul 2009, 16:15 pm
#226 BlackPanther: I thought what Shaw did looked deliberate the first time I seen it, on the replay I wasn’t so sure, looked like he stumbled and clumsily fell on the player. Either way he should’ve let him up, I think you’re supposed to. The red card in NZ was a joke, that was a yellow at worst and it was wiped from Shaw’s record because the ref/tj used an illegal video replay to identify Shaw which is against the laws.
6 Jul 2009, 16:15 pm
#235 Sheriff: Sheriff my kitchen is yellow ochre and I’ve only just changed my front foyer from eau de nil (it is a green) to gardenia.
6 Jul 2009, 16:16 pm
C’mon Sheriff… I was green n gold for years until recently.
6 Jul 2009, 16:16 pm
the funny thing is keo himself has for the past two weeks been consciously trying to recruit “disciples” to eat up his own “delusions” aka the gospel of the church of “winning ways”!
penning invective towards hoskins for suggesting that the boks are actually happier than in ’07 (how dare he slate dalai jake)
Clearly this mark keohane has “delusions” about how much clout he has over there @ saru
6 Jul 2009, 16:17 pm
Why do the All Blacks whitewash the Brits and we scrape it?
6 Jul 2009, 16:17 pm
#243 grant10: Steggmann, J Smith, chilliboy, WO, A Bekker all part of a 28 man squad….
6 Jul 2009, 16:18 pm
#246 RugbyRulz:
Big difference, mine is painted g & g on the outside!!
Its a statement to the world, most notably B & I Lions travelling fans.
Currie Cup around the corner, I’ll paint it blue & white again…(note to self: or must I leave out the white…mmm)
6 Jul 2009, 16:18 pm
#245 Big Hit: Shaw got it all wrong Big. You can’t fall onto a player on the deck. He was clumsy but was always in trouble when FDP went to ground when securing the ball.
6 Jul 2009, 16:19 pm
#246 RugbyRulz: Men only know the principal colours…. blue, red, yellow, orange, blue, white, black, green…
Anything strange colours like ochre, gardenia, mauve…. ect is for women and lady-men !
Farkkkkkkkk
6 Jul 2009, 16:20 pm
#250 grant10: and kirchner
6 Jul 2009, 16:20 pm
#251 Sheriff: Okaaaay. Well my home is red brick with lots and lots and lots of trees with yellow flowers. Forget the other flowers I can only see the yellow ones. If I render the brickwork and paint it I will blog no more. My husband would kill me.
6 Jul 2009, 16:20 pm
#249 Boksarenumber1: because you’re not the all blacks!
6 Jul 2009, 16:20 pm
#249 Boksarenumber1:
Apartheid, wat anders…?
Dis altyd n goeie, veilige antwoord, wanneer die opsies min raak.
6 Jul 2009, 16:21 pm
#249 Boksarenumber1:
PdV felt sorry for Geech, Geech has revitalised the concept “sore loser”
Trust they have left the country already, they have contaminated the country now long enough…
6 Jul 2009, 16:22 pm
#244 Pietman:
Nee man Piet the southern kings just played donner rugby
like the days when Krige was king, bad old days.
Tell me who coached the emerging Boks?
6 Jul 2009, 16:22 pm
#249 Boksarenumber1: the 1993 series in NZ could’ve went either way, it finished 2-1. The management just got too much wrong in 2005 and of course the captain was taken out.
6 Jul 2009, 16:22 pm
#253 grootblousmile: Awwwe c’mon Grooty I used the brochure names. Cut me some slack.
6 Jul 2009, 16:23 pm
#259 Boksarenumber1:
EBoks?
Muir, I think….
6 Jul 2009, 16:24 pm
#255 RugbyRulz:
Plaster and paint.
Small sacrifice to join an elite group.
Why must SA always take the lead, in just about everything?
Are we the only civilised country left in the world today?
6 Jul 2009, 16:24 pm
PDivvie decided not to go for a 3-0 ‘whitewash’ because he thought it would be racist…
6 Jul 2009, 16:26 pm
i hope pdv has learned his lesson that you just cant hand out bok jerseys to bull players because they are s14 champions and supposedly have a winning mentality.i thought he was making a joke when he said he can just go down the road and get a few bulls if needed.what saturday has proved is that s14 and test rugby are two different beasts.pdv,please dont get sucked in again by the slogan “maak al die bulle bokke”
6 Jul 2009, 16:26 pm
Rocky Elsom is back for the Wallabys – great player and will be very influential in this years Tri Nations.
6 Jul 2009, 16:26 pm
#264 waspfan:
Post of the day, bwhahahahaha!
‘White’wash’ is racist, only in SA!
6 Jul 2009, 16:27 pm
#256 Transformation:
Yea we are not chokers, agreed
6 Jul 2009, 16:27 pm
Jackal White’s fans betrayed him here today.
They honestly thought that he would not have been able to win RWC 2007 without Eddie Jones!
Back-stabbers!!!
6 Jul 2009, 16:28 pm
#265 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo:
The Bulls would have nailed this BIL team 3-0.
For sure.
6 Jul 2009, 16:30 pm
#263 Sheriff:
“Are we the only civilised country left in the world today?”
Are you on CRACK?
6 Jul 2009, 16:31 pm
#271 Boksarenumber1:
No but you are.
6 Jul 2009, 16:31 pm
#265 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo: are you suggesting that al die bulle is net k@k?
6 Jul 2009, 16:32 pm
#270 Pietman: Dis dieselfde Bulls gameplan van WO wat binne kanaal hardloop wat nie sou gewerk het nie…dink nie die Bulls sou dit gemaak het nie…sorry
6 Jul 2009, 16:33 pm
#263 Sheriff: Not at simple as rendering and painting. Applying to council for approval, letters from neighbours agreeing to the changes, you’ve got no idea. Then if the council (government body) denies my application I could fight it… possibly using the environment court. All that to change the exterior.
You think you got problems… try dealing with the bureaucracy here.
6 Jul 2009, 16:33 pm
#266 stew: he had a heck of a season, I wonder if he’s had enough rest however.
6 Jul 2009, 16:34 pm
#274 Redrover:
Met Stegmann en Potgieter en Spies aan WO se binnekant?
Nee my maat, hulle sou gate deur die Leeus gehol het, gate se ek jou!
6 Jul 2009, 16:34 pm
Usual dismal denial going on here, they still under this huge misapprehension that this so called perfect Bok team that squeaked a one sided WC is the epitome of a world beating rugby side, nothing of the absolute sort, this holy grail team would get snotted whoever the coach might be, just a huge pity Jake White or H.Meyer didn’t get the post becuse then they would have all seen for themselves what mediocrity they actually do represent.
They should get off their cloud cuckoo land delirium and check the reality square in the face, position for position Lions were mostly superior to the Boks, we squeaked home in spite of our inferior talent and inferior conditioning through none of the so called ‘senior’ 2007 protagonists, Smit, Matfield, Burger, Smith, JdV, but by sheer fortunate use of the new breed and new enthusiastic input by fresh players Brussow and M.Steyn.
Had it not been for fresh blood in this competition, we would have gone down like a wet sack of potatoes playing the rugby we were accustomed to in 2007. No question about it. Pity White or Meyer weren’t around to receive the accolades for a so called champion team on the wane. Instead they stand in the shadows and watch all the deluded delirious delinquents shout out for the incumbent coaches blood.
6 Jul 2009, 16:35 pm
#236 Sharksgirl:
If we are both talking Scale of Bias, noone comes close to Bezuindenhout.
Dickenson is merely 1 of many referees that Safas accuse of bias… in fact, the only ones you seem to like are Bezuindenhouts. Oops, I mean Sth African ones.
#238 Sheriff:
Disdain or humour ?
disdain or humour ?
disdain or humour ?
oh, thats right. Humour malfunction, must be the usual. Disdain then.
#239 RugbyRulz:
always park in the Visitors !
#245 Big Hit:
It looked every bit as intentional as the Big Boy Sheris ‘punch’ to Bekkers goolies, ie not.
Just one of those things. He’s chasing him, du Preez goes down. When you can park an aircraft carrier in a matchbox, then maybe you could have avoided him. Otherwise it was unfortunate. Fact is he’s done it before, so tough sh*t. Unless of course your name is Bakkies, and thats a whole different thing entirely…..
If you compare Shaws knee-in-back technique to Grewcocks, there is no comparison whatsoever. Grewcock has it down to Phil ‘the Power’ Taylor precision.
Youre right, for once, tho BH – a simple hand-up would have softened the blow.
#249 Boksarenumber1:
Presumably that is a rhetorical question.
6 Jul 2009, 16:37 pm
#278 skopskiet:
Jake sou hierdie Leeus ge-’whitewash’ het, jy stem saam?
6 Jul 2009, 16:38 pm
#275 RugbyRulz:
I know all about the problems in Aus, hahahaa
Kiwis also only gave the iwi their forest back the other day…
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Sydney – Australia on Friday pledged almost $200m to projects in remote Aboriginal communities, one day after releasing a damning report on the minority’s grim living conditions.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd signed off on the $195m East Kimberley development package, which is designed to boost health, education, housing and transport in the remote west coast region.
“This investment promotes sustainable regional development, providing social infrastructure,” Rudd said.
“It will also provide training and productive employment opportunities for indigenous communities in the region.”
The announcement comes one day after the centre-left leader vowed “decisive action” on a report which showed conditions for Aborigines were worsening, with 35 in every 1 000 children suffering abuse or neglect.
Murder rates were seven times higher in the Aboriginal community, with hospitalisations from domestic violence 34 times higher and Aborigines 13 times more likely to be imprisoned.
Rudd’s government last year delivered an historic apology to the nation’s original inhabitants for abuses suffered since the time of white settlement in 1788.
He committed to halving the gaps in infant mortality, overall life expectancy, literacy rates and school completion rates within 10 years.
But the conservative opposition party has accused Rudd of achieving little, and called for a military and police intervention in the desert communities of the Northern Territory to be expanded into the Kimberley and other western regions. “(Rudd) said these results are devastating and that is right… it seems that nothing has been achieved,” said Julie Bishop, opposition spokesperson for Aboriginal affairs.
“I would like to see the intervention moved into WA as well. There are some drastic circumstances for indigenous people in the north of Western Australia.”
Aborigines account for 2.5% of the 21 million population, and are Australia’s most impoverished minority, with a lifespan 17 years shorter than the national average
6 Jul 2009, 16:38 pm
…elke keer as WO die binnekant slat dan Boom!! Brick wall. Hoe hulle kon aanhou daarmee is Crazy!!
6 Jul 2009, 16:39 pm
#279 BlackPanther:
Joke btw
But nevertheless delighted to see that it had the desired effect
6 Jul 2009, 16:41 pm
OK genoeg circles vir eendag…vir al daai “ek puke op my Springbok trui want ek haat PdV!”
Gaan join Fluke in die land van mis en reen en pisbier en modder en reen en mis en en en
Pietman…goedgaan.
6 Jul 2009, 16:43 pm
….Pietman:
“maak die bulle almal bokke en gee die Leeus almal rokke”
6 Jul 2009, 16:43 pm
#284 Redrover:
Sien jou.
Ek waai ook.
Mooi loop rooi rower.
6 Jul 2009, 16:43 pm
#272 Sheriff:
Sheriff your comment about SA being the most civilised country is a CRACKHEAD one, stop smoking that stuff ******
6 Jul 2009, 16:44 pm
Don’t know if anybody here reads Hayibo, but they have an amusing article on Div: http://www.hayibo.com/articles/view/1075
6 Jul 2009, 16:44 pm
#280 Pietman:
Glad nie, dis eintlik a jammerte dat Jake nie afrigter was, hy sou verlede jaar sleg verloor het erger as PdV in die 3N, en op EOYT sou hy ook soos gewoonlik gevaar het sou hy verloor, en in die Leeu’s reeks sou hy ook verloor met sy gewone helde in posisie, Schalk hulle ens, hy sou nooit n ‘fetcher’ gebruik het soos julle alreeds hom goed ken, so dis eintlik n helse jammerte dat hy nie daar voor was om sy klomp heldertjies te sien hoe vaar hulle teen egte rugby spanne nie. Miskien so hy 0-3 verloor het soos hy gewoonlik in sulke omstandighede doen.
6 Jul 2009, 16:45 pm
#281 Sheriff: It is true Sheriff, we can’t throw enough, fast enough to help. For far too long the native people of our land have been neglected. Government have tried self regulation and it has failed miserably. I don’t think the current government will change things in a hurry nor would the alternative (the last government). Sadly it looks as though the government has to step in and save the aborigines from themselves., self determination has not worked.
6 Jul 2009, 16:48 pm
#287 Boksarenumber1:
Enjoy the rest of your day.
(I’ll stick to the basics, that which I know for sure you’ll understand)
6 Jul 2009, 16:50 pm
#290 RugbyRulz:
Give them their country back pls.
So they can also sing ” for we are young and FREE “
6 Jul 2009, 16:50 pm
#290 RugbyRulz: they need someone to lead them, hard for a nomadic people… unfortunately their Martin Luther or Mandela hasnt eventuated….
6 Jul 2009, 16:52 pm
#273 Transformation:
Im suggesting that the AllBlacks are chokers, they tend
to always choke against France their nemesis
6 Jul 2009, 16:53 pm
#293 poppa69:
You just dont understand their leadership models. They lived in peace and harmony before, well you know …
Putting a pet in a kennel is hardly giving freedom.
6 Jul 2009, 16:53 pm
#292 Sheriff: Australia belongs to its people. How do you differentiate who to give it to?
6 Jul 2009, 16:56 pm
#293 poppa69: Terra Nullius is the term you are searching for.
6 Jul 2009, 16:56 pm
I believe in cutting to the chase… Why beat around the bush?
6 Jul 2009, 16:57 pm
#290 RugbyRulz:
All Governments are mafia organisations, they destroy
whatever they touch. Although the New Zeland Govt must be given credit for having some sense.
6 Jul 2009, 16:58 pm
#138 BlackPanther: Ok, you are a total idiot. I have read a lot of your posts and I acan see the bitterness derailing your objectivity. Read posts more in context, take a few deep breaths and then try to comment. My whole point was that the British refused to give credit where it was due. Of course both tests could have gone either way! We as Saffas actually congratulated and accepted long ago that the BIL were better than we thought and deserved to win the last game – note our captain’s words. Very unlike their captain who focus only on themselves and gives all but excuses for losing and NO CREDIT to the Boks in front of the TV cameras.
6 Jul 2009, 16:59 pm
#296 RugbyRulz:
Easy. Just give it to the real Aussies; let the Aus govt fly me over, I’ll point them out in no time
Then you guys can start over and do it right this time …
Let’s all advance Australia fair …
6 Jul 2009, 17:00 pm
#299 Boksarenumber1: Research the term ‘terra nullius’ then you will be up to speed.
6 Jul 2009, 17:01 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, let’s rise now for the singing of the national anthem of Australia:
********************************************
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing,
“Advance Australia fair!”
6 Jul 2009, 17:02 pm
#301 Sheriff: What constitutes a real Aussie?
6 Jul 2009, 17:03 pm
#304 RugbyRulz: what constitutes a real human?
6 Jul 2009, 17:04 pm
#295 Sheriff: I agree… but then a people have to want to help themselves, and thats what I meant by needing a leader..
6 Jul 2009, 17:05 pm
#305 skopskiet: Us
6 Jul 2009, 17:05 pm
#307 RugbyRulz: who’s ‘us’, us or them?
6 Jul 2009, 17:06 pm
#306 poppa69:
Pops, what do you know?
You’re not even from there.
You should rather be delighted that the iwi got their forest back, or some form of financial compensation.
6 Jul 2009, 17:08 pm
Is earl rose beseer? of wat is die 3 wyse manne se plan met Earl?
hy was in die bokgroep van die begin af maar spelers word van buite die groep gebring en kry speel kans voor hom.
sou dit nie beter gewees het as Kircher van die begin af in die groep was nie?
Die arme ou… Loffie het hom amper nooit laat begin nie, en nou lyk dit Pietertjie is ook bietjie bang om hom te laat speel
6 Jul 2009, 17:08 pm
anyway I already got a headache from this conversation think I need a lie down
cheerio
6 Jul 2009, 17:08 pm
#309 Sheriff: well Sheriff, Ive lived here for the last 15 years, like to think Ive learnt a fair bit about the country by now…
6 Jul 2009, 17:10 pm
#304 RugbyRulz:
RR
I honestly do not care what you guys do or dont do in Aus.
As long as we beat you guys in rugby union and cricket, I’m happy.
I thought I’ll throw a bit of bait and must say I’m surprised you fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
I am actually very uninformed about current affairs in Aus.
Good luck there, seems that the problem is at least 1000x bigger than what I can appreciate right now …
6 Jul 2009, 17:11 pm
#269 Sheriff:
I’m a Jake White fan and I don’t think he would have won it without Eddie Jones.That’s why I respect Jake – he was humble enough to know his limitations and get help where he needed it. A smart man surrounds himself with people smarter than himself. Only a fool would arrogantly believe that he knows everything and doesn’t need to form a strong management team to help him out in key areas.
6 Jul 2009, 17:11 pm
#312 poppa69:
Go back to your people, hahahahahaha
6 Jul 2009, 17:12 pm
#308 skopskiet: Your question was what constitutes a human being… I answered US. As in you and me = US. I do not see a them and an us, I see US as one.
6 Jul 2009, 17:14 pm
#314 rich1:
Rich, thanks for taking this brave stand!
Jake would be proud of you!
My concern of course was that at one stage, it seemed to me that Eddie was in fact in charge. Dont you think that rugby clubs around the world share or did share this concern of mine, at one stage or the other?
Or am I being harsh?
6 Jul 2009, 17:14 pm
People tend to get carried away in the moment… I remember, I think it was last year, when the Cheetahs won a game and they were carrying on like they won the cup. It also has a lot to do the way the media hypes it up. So Mr Keo, looks like you have only yourself and your buddies to blame
6 Jul 2009, 17:15 pm
#304 RugbyRulz: watch a programme on the removal of aboriginal children from their mothers the other day.it nearly drove me to tears and anger at the same time.why did you people do that to those poor people?
6 Jul 2009, 17:15 pm
#316 RugbyRulz:
He probably thought you meant US as in US of A, hahahaha
6 Jul 2009, 17:15 pm
#313 Sheriff: I have no issue with your questions… no bait needed just ask away.
Cricket I have endured… not one of my favourite sports.
Rugby… bring it on
6 Jul 2009, 17:17 pm
#321 RugbyRulz:
Bait = smarter way of asking
Bait = concealed question, hahahahaha
6 Jul 2009, 17:19 pm
#315 Sheriff:
Pops
What I mean is go and plough back in to the community.
No point in living large just for yourself, hahahahahaha
6 Jul 2009, 17:20 pm
#319 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo: Governments of the day made those decisions some were good and some were bad. In current times we have government departments removing children from their families (of all cultures) and leaving some which should be removed. The gov’t dept here in Aust is called DOCs. They make right and wrong decisions everyday. Heartbreaking I agree.
6 Jul 2009, 17:21 pm
#322 Sheriff: Remiss of you to assume I needed clarification. I don’t need baiting… just ask away.
6 Jul 2009, 17:21 pm
#323 Sheriff: was just an opinion… classy sheriff, all class mate…
6 Jul 2009, 17:22 pm
#317 Sheriff:
If it means we win a world cup – why not?
Which would you prefer – to have a coach who’s so clever he doesn’t need outside help, and no world cup – or would you rather have a coach who freely admits he can’t do everything on his own, but wins the world cup?
6 Jul 2009, 17:23 pm
#325 RugbyRulz:
Sheriff: 1 – RR: 0 ?
6 Jul 2009, 17:24 pm
#317 Sheriff:
And if PDV feels his team is not quite ready enough to win the world cup in 2011, I hope he’s man enough and humble enough to call in outside help to get us there
6 Jul 2009, 17:24 pm
#316 RugbyRulz: I know I was just being a little flippant and the usual prod to check the status of the reactionary viewpoint, but nothing sinister at all, like you say, just one, sooner us realize that then there is no them either.
6 Jul 2009, 17:24 pm
#326 poppa69:
Again, you have to proud that I remembered what you told me some time ago.
6 Jul 2009, 17:25 pm
#313 Sheriff: check out the cronulla beach race riots on youtube.some great videos there and comments from australian people.totally put me off australia.
6 Jul 2009, 17:25 pm
#324 RugbyRulz: Good answer RR.
Now tell me why are you up so late? It must be in the early hours there in the lovely City of Sydney.
6 Jul 2009, 17:26 pm
crickets for poeftas that might have been decent rugby players had they been men instead.
6 Jul 2009, 17:27 pm
#331 Sheriff: yeah, not bad
6 Jul 2009, 17:27 pm
#327 rich1:
For the record, PdV regularly pulls in help from the outside.
I think you would also have a problem if PdV brought in an asst to do HIS job.
Well, some out there, will be of the opinion that that’s exactly what old Jacob Westerduin did.
Anyway, let’s leave it: just proud of you that you had the guts to admit that Eddie was key in securing that victory.
Again, well done mate!
6 Jul 2009, 17:28 pm
#332 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo: OZ is a beautiful country. Really cant blame the people there now for their past. That was then now is now.
Remember we too had a lot of dreadful things happen here too.
6 Jul 2009, 17:28 pm
#332 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo:
No mate, let’s leave them to sort their own problems out.
Very often, we dont have the context to comment accurately!
6 Jul 2009, 17:29 pm
surely there is a difference between us (the Bokke) and them (the BIL)?
they are big whingers, whereas we offer constructive criticism.
6 Jul 2009, 17:29 pm
out – adios
6 Jul 2009, 17:30 pm
#333 Puma: its 1:30 am mate
6 Jul 2009, 17:30 pm
#336 Sheriff:
Yes he does. And lets hope it continues to work for him
6 Jul 2009, 17:30 pm
#339 cab: you caught me on the way out, us n them will have to take up the cudgels some other time.
6 Jul 2009, 17:30 pm
#337 Puma:
what?! surely not in SA.
6 Jul 2009, 17:30 pm
#334 skopskiet:
Skop that was so funny. Had a good laugh there.
Just try and face a fast bowler like D. Steyn? I really don’t think its for the faint hearted mate. So no its not for the poeftas as you say
6 Jul 2009, 17:30 pm
#343 skopskiet:
lol, ok cheers
6 Jul 2009, 17:31 pm
#333 Puma: Hello Puma yes it is almost 1.30am here in Sydney. Family of night owls… The hospitality trade is not the normal 9 to 5 hours.
6 Jul 2009, 17:31 pm
32. Beertjie
If is for children.
6 Jul 2009, 17:32 pm
#329 rich1:
I want him to take full ownership.
By all means, bring in specialists but the final calls must be his.
People around the world understand rugby – the game and its management. They are not naive.
That is why I keep on appealing to people to judge coaches objectively. For example it is incorrect to criticise PdV purely because he is cullert, I think it is pretty obvious that that is incorrect.
6 Jul 2009, 17:32 pm
#347 RugbyRulz:
you run a B&B or hotel out there Rulz?
6 Jul 2009, 17:33 pm
#344 cab: Howzit you funny oke hehehe.
Think we need to look at ourselves before we throw stones. We never had a good past here either.
6 Jul 2009, 17:33 pm
#342 rich1:
John Plumtree one of them, from what I hear/read
6 Jul 2009, 17:33 pm
i see rugbyrulz i getting the full treatment of the “sheriff run around”! Lol…
6 Jul 2009, 17:34 pm
#350 cab: Not B & B style, more Tavern style. Easier to have food, drink and gaming machines.
6 Jul 2009, 17:35 pm
#351 Puma:
this is news to me.
can we not just throw stones for the hell of it?
6 Jul 2009, 17:36 pm
#300 savethespringbok:
I havent noticed your posts before. Have you just joined today ?
6 Jul 2009, 17:36 pm
#338 Sheriff: you are probably right mate.we all have our problems in life ,some of them sometimes just differ in depth
6 Jul 2009, 17:36 pm
#354 RugbyRulz:
oh right, sounds like plenty hard work
6 Jul 2009, 17:36 pm
#345 Puma: Malcolm Marshall, Allan Donald, Joel Garner, Curtly Ambrose, Dennis Lillee and Thommo, and have to have Hadlee and Bond (the kiwi in me lol )…
anyone of those would be quite scary…
oops, forgot Wasim Akram, Imran Kahn
and just for giggles
Martin Snedden (how he ever made international cricket tsk)
Ewen Chatfield – perfect foil to Sir Richard, but nothing more then a stock bowler, almost killed by a cricket ball, but then had the courage to come back…
6 Jul 2009, 17:37 pm
#347 RugbyRulz: Thought you were up late.
6 Jul 2009, 17:37 pm
#358 cab: Good pub runs itself.
6 Jul 2009, 17:38 pm
#359 poppa69:
yeah and in the old days no helmets, crazy stuff, i’d rather tackle Os head-on.
6 Jul 2009, 17:38 pm
#361 RugbyRulz:
fair enough, from some of your comments, sounds like happy hour is fairly common too…
6 Jul 2009, 17:39 pm
#359 poppa69: Would never ever have like to face any of those bowlers. It would have been scary for sure.
#355 cab:
If you want. Big bricks…..hehehe. Nah, we cant really.
6 Jul 2009, 17:39 pm
#362 cab: Id rather not have to choose between those two options
6 Jul 2009, 17:40 pm
#353 Transformation:
No mate.
RR knows that I was purely joking. She has been around for some time and is mature to know that Sheriff just takes the p*ss from time to time.
She would however be wiser in future when these “attacks” are launched, hahaha
6 Jul 2009, 17:40 pm
#363 cab: Im not onsite and don’t indulge much myself.
6 Jul 2009, 17:40 pm
#354 RugbyRulz: Sounds like a good business to be in.
6 Jul 2009, 17:41 pm
#363 cab: Knowing your product does not necessarily mean guzzling the stuff.
6 Jul 2009, 17:42 pm
#367 RugbyRulz:
i see, nice city Sydney, all the water and the blue mountains just outside, just too bladdy humid in summer, unbelievable, its worse even than durban am sure.
6 Jul 2009, 17:42 pm
#368 Puma: Like any other Puma, they all have their ups and downs.
6 Jul 2009, 17:42 pm
#357 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo:
Who would you rather be today: Ian McGeeghan (spelling?) or PdV after the B & I Lions Tour 2009 to SA?
Ian lost 1-2 to a man who is completely out of his depth, if we listen to some here.
Can you imagine how embarrassed he must be?
6 Jul 2009, 17:42 pm
#365 poppa69:
you are obviously a bright man
6 Jul 2009, 17:43 pm
#371 RugbyRulz: As long as you enjoy what you doing thats the main thing.
6 Jul 2009, 17:43 pm
#370 cab: Humidity is a bummer in Summer., bowl basin turns it into a pressure cooker.
6 Jul 2009, 17:43 pm
#303 Sheriff: you feeling ok? and besides, I don’t sing anybody else’s anthem but my own
6 Jul 2009, 17:44 pm
#373 cab: and you sir are obviously drinking lmao
6 Jul 2009, 17:45 pm
the brightest player the boks ever produced was Naas Botha, and i’ve yet to see a player ever move so quicly to avoid contact, there were games when the TVL looseforwards would try and donner (hit) him but old Naas could only shift when necesary. jirre he was fast.
6 Jul 2009, 17:45 pm
#370 cab: Think Sydney can get hotter not sure if its more humid than Durban in the summer. Brisbane is similar to Durban but can get a lot hotter too.
6 Jul 2009, 17:47 pm
#379 Puma:
ja ou Puma i know SA is bigger and better, but seriously you ever spent a summer over there?…my ballas were baking.
6 Jul 2009, 17:47 pm
#376 SpringbokSarah:
Sarah
We have just won a series against the best of the best of the British and Irish.
We considered a white wash, but in the interest of keeping it going we settled for 2-1 and fielded B-team.
The 3N = 2 weeks away so, top class rugby around the corner!
As you can see, I’m delighted!
6 Jul 2009, 17:47 pm
227. Pietman
Ek dink ons moet Pres.Zuma aanstel as afrigter.
Wie gaan ons wens as elke Bok ‘n klein masjiengeweertjie as wapen het ?
6 Jul 2009, 17:48 pm
good evening all
6 Jul 2009, 17:49 pm
Take it easy fellas!
6 Jul 2009, 17:49 pm
#341 poppa69: You must be on night shift again poppa?
6 Jul 2009, 17:49 pm
#378 cab: My husband has just arrived and is reading the thread… he has asked me to ask you a question about Naas Botha.
6 Jul 2009, 17:50 pm
#386 RugbyRulz:
lol, go for it, pleasure to meet you Mr Rulz.
6 Jul 2009, 17:51 pm
#383 cab: Cheers Cab.
#384 Sheriff: Later Sheriff.
6 Jul 2009, 17:51 pm
#372 Sheriff: ian is so depressed that he has decided enough is enough,no more lions tours for him!
6 Jul 2009, 17:51 pm
#385 Puma: day off mate, go to mornings wed… just seen that movie “the hangover” very funny movie…
6 Jul 2009, 17:52 pm
#38 tight head: your f’ckadilly broke those 2 rules constantly, all the time, what was our record in 3N 2006-07, how many times we disrespect Ireland and France to get stuffed up royally away and at home??
Boot is square on the other foot here, these punks on this site know only one thing, dementia and discrimination, and it is based on skin color and / or class, try spin it any other way you like, the rank and file discrepancy and discrimination is without any foundation, pure simple bigotry and misrepresentation, nothing else.
the sheer hypocrisy and downright underhanded pugnacious agendas on this here so called rational open minded rugby sight are abysmally despicable.
6 Jul 2009, 17:52 pm
Naas Botha was talking post match about the game. He reckoned that the ref was disadvantaging the Boks by calling out ‘Back, Back.
He wants to know how a referee can be disadvantaging a team when the referee is allowing a team to stay onside by telling them to stay back behind the kicker?
6 Jul 2009, 17:53 pm
#380 cab: hahaha. No never spent a summer there ever. Went over in September once and it was actually cold in the mornings and nights. Days were really nice though. Durban at that time is a lot hotter. More like Brisbane.
Tell you what I hate the humidity. Durban is humid enough for me
Love the winter weather in Durbs. Now thats what I call perfect weather.
6 Jul 2009, 17:53 pm
#381 Sheriff: You must be dilusional. We almost lost a series 3-0 and were lucky to scrape home 2-1. In case you hav forgotten we won the 2nd test in extra time and probably woudl have lost the first in extra time or if Monye’s had had not been coated with soap.
Sure we did win but it was hardly a white wash. The 3N will tell us how good the BILs really were or how bad we are.
PdV did soem right things in asking OPercy to help with the kicking but why not ask Balie Swart to help with the scrumming and Mordt to help with teh backline. Without Habanero and JP our wings could not penetrate and our backline could not draw more then one defender. WO is not MaNonu and he should learn to run around his opposition rather then continuouly into them. Kirchner had a sorry debut but his wings did not help. Why hose teh Shark’s twin when the Bull’s twin was the form one?
And early rosy where is he ended? The tiger woods of rugby?
6 Jul 2009, 17:55 pm
#390 poppa69: Good that you have sometime off poppa. You seem to work hard mate.
I too enjoy comedy. Love a good laugh. Will see if its on here and make a point of seeing it.
6 Jul 2009, 17:56 pm
#393 Puma: Septembers the first month of spring Puma, in Jan/Feb it can quite easily hit 46 degrees celcius
6 Jul 2009, 17:58 pm
#392 RugbyRulz:
imo Naas (or Haas as we like to call him) speaks a bit funny, and there was one SA comedian who i believe Naas tried to sue for making funny of him, but getting past all that his analysis is often exceptionally good.
Or put another way, he is often less one-eyed than the rest of us.
lol, I did not catch the “back, back” comment, but i presume Naas was hiniting as some sort of timing issue that Dickinson was perhaps putting the boks off somehow. I dont know, i actually think Dickinson is ok, was a bit pedantic when younger but has good rappore with players. The disallowed try in the corner was a shocker, but that was old Brycie boy.
6 Jul 2009, 17:58 pm
What is it that drives the “the little grey cells” of the responsible that appointed de Villiers as coach, to persist with. It flies in the face of all reason and logic as proven almost week after week. Could it be that they are so lacking in judgement and intelligence that they actually believe that their appointment of de Villiers is a good option.
Whether by design or just plain cussedness their is the proverbial wrecking ball loose in South African rugby. Their (players) loyalty is being tested beyond the “elastic” limit.
Someone has to stand up and fix the debacle!
6 Jul 2009, 17:58 pm
#395 Puma: I work hard at not working hard mate lol
6 Jul 2009, 17:59 pm
#393 Puma:
Winters in Durban and on the north coast are the best winters.
6 Jul 2009, 18:00 pm
EK SE JULLE PRAAT KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK
6 Jul 2009, 18:00 pm
Good day everyone…
6 Jul 2009, 18:01 pm
#397 cab: Husband agrees Naas is usually sound but found the “Back” perplexing. Split second timing, out of the blocks in paramount when chasing a good kick.
6 Jul 2009, 18:02 pm
i read the Boks , or a lot of them, are to be released for the c c this weekend….
WP vs Sharks…..i will be there…..again more in hope than conviction !!
6 Jul 2009, 18:02 pm
#399 poppa69: Thats the spirit
#400 cab: Agree Cab, I always look forward to the winters there. Perfect weather. Lovely and warm in the day with no rain and mild at night.
6 Jul 2009, 18:02 pm
Goodnight folks,
from husband and me.
6 Jul 2009, 18:03 pm
#403 RugbyRulz:
yeah i’ll actually go and see if i can dig up that naas comment, its a good point, am not sure what he could be getting at, maybe some others know.
catch you later.
6 Jul 2009, 18:03 pm
The NZ press reckons the BiL’s would have whitewashed the AB’s with this team, maybe they know more than some here are letting on.
we still living on cloud cuckoo land in delusions of delirious daydreams about some figment of imaginative world wide dominance through a fickle little walk in the park joy ride in 2007, thinking we are omnipotent rugby team for some rhyme or reason. Position for position the Bil’s where as good or better, certainly through the front 5 on Saturday, and through the midfield the entire 3 tests, half backs they were as good if not better.
So this deluded delirious misinformation we still believe we represent some absolute dominant rugby team by some sheer act of JW magic is the biggest myth going under the sun.
JW or any coach would have struggled as much if not worse with this bunch of players, I’m just sorry he wasn’t big enough for the hot seat, cause then his illustrious *** would be on the line again just as it was in 2006-07 before Eddy and rugby fortune baled it out of delusion and into some fairy tale nursery rhyme infatuated dreamworld.
6 Jul 2009, 18:04 pm
#401 sharks_lover: hehehe. Howzit Shark_lover.
#404 grant10: Thats very good news. Then Sharks are in with a chance then.
6 Jul 2009, 18:04 pm
#406 RugbyRulz: Goodnight to you too RR.
6 Jul 2009, 18:07 pm
#408 skopskiet: wouldnt read too much into that report Skop, 3Ns is starting, time for the media to begin the mind games… SA struggle as favs, same as ABs it seems, in certain arenas anyway…
6 Jul 2009, 18:08 pm
#394 Objective 101: i have heard this line now since saturday”the wings did not helpl”and it’s really beginning to sound like english whinging for me.maybe and maybe kirchner was not ready for the step-up to international rugby mate.
6 Jul 2009, 18:09 pm
#398 Bludeks: If PdV actually accepted that he needs help in the form of former SA players who can coach he and we would be that much better off. His stand on Burger has earned him a lot of respect from his players and from many fans but whichever way we look at it he needs a lot of help. Scrum: Balie Swart, Mark Andrews, Gert Small to name a few. Backline: Naas (tactical kicking only), Ray Mordt and Campo we need to teach our guys to run around the opposition nto always into them. Kicking: Percy (he has already), HO de Villiers (he got Percy sorted out), Naas. Tackling: Lem (no one can be better than him) Tiaan Strauss.
A winning coaching team can only be mad eup of a mnay members four, six, eight eye are better then two.
Chiiliboi needs to build up leg strength before he can be reintroduced at test level; on the positiv side he always finds his jumpers.
I am amazed by the fact that our scrum always used to be the heaviest ones, now we hardly ever are (we gave the BILs app 6kg per player!)
6 Jul 2009, 18:10 pm
#396 poppa69: 1st of Septemeber is also the first day of Spring here too. In Durban we don’t get temps over 35 thats the highest I think it goes too. Mostly sits around 32 but the humidity is dreadful in Jan to April. Feb is the worst.
#396 poppa69: Sydney though gets hotter than Durbs. Don’t like it hotter than 26 thats our winter weather in Durbs but it only lasts about 2 months then its all gone. Really enjoy this time of year.
6 Jul 2009, 18:11 pm
#359 poppa69:
Sneds took 5fer vs the Windies.
and took the greatest catch/non-catch ever.
respec !
6 Jul 2009, 18:11 pm
#413 Objective 101: but too many eyes and differing opinions hardly leads to consensus
6 Jul 2009, 18:12 pm
#411 poppa69: Now cant wait for the Tri-Nations.
Really pleased we have the Ab’s here for two games this year.
6 Jul 2009, 18:13 pm
#415 BlackPanther: know the catch well… sorry, just seen him get carted too many times for my liking…
6 Jul 2009, 18:15 pm
#412 pdvwysmiddelvingervirkeo: Maybe but a full back positions his wings to cover and if the wings don’t cover he is usually way out of postion. Kircher was disappointing to say the least but he was also set up for failure. With Habanero and JP it would have been different.
Nokwe was terrible and needs some major coaching in this respect. He is fast but that is about it. He sure is better that Chavanga but he is not even close as a replacement for Habanero.
6 Jul 2009, 18:15 pm
#413 Objective 101: I thought that Chili had a good game. Just not strong enough in the scrums at the moment.
Like many has said here I think John should move back to Hooker and we need to get a proper TH. Wonder if Heinke can shift from Loosehead to TH? Need to ask TH again when he is on. Have asked before. That Heinke is very powerful in the scrum if he can change over to TH think that would be all we need. Or just bring back CJ or BJ.
6 Jul 2009, 18:15 pm
#409 Puma: hey bro … hope ur well
eish boet deysel was A1 for the sharks again last friday
i went to the game in witbank
6 Jul 2009, 18:17 pm
Okay out of here now.
Cheers poppa enjoy your day off mate. Cheers cab and the rest.
6 Jul 2009, 18:18 pm
#411 poppa69:
I’m just sick and tired of the delusional infatuated Mr. South African supporter not recognizing hard facts, no way in hell do we have a superior team or players to this BiL’s team ever, and we lucky they made selection blunders just like we did, because if they had played their strongest tight 5 from word go we might have suffered a serious loss here. As it was we just scraped home, and everyone and his poodle puppy on here reckon the coach has such superior raw natural JW developed talent available he should have creamed this BiL’s team.
Meanwhile Jake with all his World Star studded Barbarians, R.McCaw, S.Burger, J.Smit, F.Steyn, P.Monty, Collins, Jack, Williams, Botha, you name it could not take care of Deans Wallabies last year, neither could they take care of Aussie or AB’s in 2006 or 07, losing by record margins with the same core group and more of them to boot.
Fact is this Bok team are no way the world beating team these idiot scribes reckon they are and the pitiful bunch of goon delirious supporters on here don’t know squat from reality. Smit, Bismark and Beast, Matfield and Muller were annihilated by Sheridan, Rees, Vickery, Shoaw, O’Connell on Saturday, what makes any of these fools over here reckon Jake, who would not have picked Brussow but would have stuck with Burger, would have done any better or any different to this team. Jake would have also played WO and Fourie at center.
6 Jul 2009, 18:18 pm
#422 Puma: catchya Puma, enjoy mate..
6 Jul 2009, 18:21 pm
#421 sharks_lover: Good that you went to see the team. Damn I rate Deysel. Such a strong ball carrier.
How was Fransie when he came on Saturday? Superb I think. We now have finally found our FB. PdV MUST keep playing him there even if he goes off overseas.
Took about 3 or 4 qo bring him down. Should have started. Then again we now know that Zane needs plenty more time to get to Test level. I was one that wanted Zane in from the start. Now see maybe he needs more S14 time or bring him in from the bench during a test.
See Grant 10 said that the Shark players are released for the CC agains WP. Just don’t think it will be Smitty, Bissie, JPP or Frans Steyn think they are having a 10 day break. Then will start training for Tri-Nations.
Okay cheers mate out of here now.
6 Jul 2009, 18:23 pm
Purple People Eaters RULE!!!!
6 Jul 2009, 18:23 pm
#423 skopskiet: No argument there but stil we want to win the 3N. How do we do that adn which players do we select?
Obviously if the Bulls could win the S14 albeit with some major injuries to key players in the Chiefs ans Saders it means that we can beat the ABs, we just need to pick the right players and the right game plan.
Any suggestions?
6 Jul 2009, 18:26 pm
#404 grant10: Have faith buddy, we’re due a win against them!
6 Jul 2009, 18:26 pm
#423 skopskiet: understand, but the Lions did have the benfit of lead in games… SA was seriously underdone, being their real first test, Namibia was not the ideal lead in…
as for the Baabaas, hard to bring a composite team together for one or two matches in short time…
I think the Lions series may just get some SA supporters thinking like yourself, that it is time to rebuild… teams have to keep evolving otherwise they will deteriorate…
6 Jul 2009, 18:28 pm
#418 poppa69:
when it comes to Kiwi cricket, surely its easier to remember the good times…
Yep, poor old Sneds very rarely hit that seam.
#423 skopskiet:
‘goon delirious supporters’ ? My, thats almost worth framing !
Hello Rich1, BokFan1, Whatever, Heavens Game…. Look what Skoppie called you.
Altho, Im not sure comparing makeshift BaaBaa team results really pushed the credibility factor there.
6 Jul 2009, 18:28 pm
#425 Puma: trust me Deysel is massively strong
he had a few breaks and some where he had 3 or 4 pumas clinging to his back
F Steyn is the real deal , and the fools that think him useless at the sharks are going to regret letting him go , and also treating him so poorly
Glad to hear we could have a near full strength sharks team to battle the WP
6 Jul 2009, 18:30 pm
#423 skopskiet:
Why so angry? I agree the Boks aren’t as great as Keo and others would have us believe but they’re a lot better than you give them credit for.
And it really doesn’t matter what Jake White would have done, or who he would have selected. What matters now is PDV does the right thing.
6 Jul 2009, 18:32 pm
#423 skopskiet: Completely agree with you Skopskiet. Why should we be favourites for the tri-nations? Based on last year’s t-nations coming last?
We seem to be favourites every year but rarely live up to the hype.
6 Jul 2009, 18:35 pm
#427 Objective 101:
Our midfield and fullback yesterday were the Bulls team apart from the wings, does that constitute the Bulls would have creamed the Lions as so many were calling before.
FdP, Steyn, WO, Kirchner all Bulls, only Nokwe and Odwa (who’s twin brother is a Bulls wing) were not representative of Bulls.
Sharks front row and 8th man, and Bulls and Sharks No.1 candidates at 2nd row, yet they were made to look like children against men.
I said already yesterday, forget about this figment of the imagination ‘best team in the world’ bull dust, its one fat myth illusion spread as fictitious lies by winning ways protagonists and agenda based cloak and dagger bearing journalists.
This coaching team better realize very soon that the illustrious so called superior 2007 walk in the park WC dream team are no more, time to turn over some new leaves and bring in fresh hungry talent immediately, starting with the front row and throughout the entire make up amd combination we are looking at.
It is our young talent that saved our asses, Brussow and M.Steyn, not the status quo hero’s, some of whom let us down heavily if the 1st minute of the 2nd test bears any witness to it. So if these coaches want to progress at all from here, get the deluded cobwebs of this illustrious imaginative best team in the world syndrome right out of your consciousness and start again, right now, before it gets any later than it already is.
6 Jul 2009, 18:36 pm
#425 Puma: Carstens, Kanko, Muller and Odwa perhaps. Can’t see Smit, Bismarck, JPP or Beast playing though!
Same for Province. We won’t see JdV run out at the weekend, Ricky maybe! Aaaaarrrrgh no!
6 Jul 2009, 18:43 pm
#429 poppa69:
quite right evolution is the key word here, anybody still living in deluded daydream 2007 frilly lace fantasies should catch one major wide awake wake up call, the WC 2007 illusion of grandeur is no more, stick it in the zibby can and move the hell on, those not up to the rigors of international full tilt rugby at the highest level, just not good enough, whatever your claim to fame in 2007 might have been, it is NOW that counts and those ready to step up to the plate, they the ones that should take on the reckoning, not the dismal delusions of yesteryear.
6 Jul 2009, 18:45 pm
out for now… later
6 Jul 2009, 18:47 pm
me too out, dropped my tuppence in the hat, for what its worth.
6 Jul 2009, 18:53 pm
#434 skopskiet: Select a team then. Our U19s for the second time in a row were not good enough to make the finals and for the second time in a row were beaten by England who in turn was pulverised by NZ.
Is that a sign of where our rugby is going?
6 Jul 2009, 19:04 pm
#439 Objective 101:
Maybe we are not as physically and mentally superior as we been leading ourselves to believe for so long
here’s my team for now with back up behind
F.Steyn/Kirchner
JPP/ ??? (Fourie)
Jacobs/Fourie
JdV/WO/ Ebehrson
Pienaar/ M.Steyn
FdP/ Adams / Hougard
Vermeulen / Spies/ Potgieter
Smith (c) / Potgieter / Burger / Deysel
Brussow / Stegmann / Mpho Mbiyoso
Matfield / Bekker
Botha / Sykes
CJ Vd Linde / W.Kruger
Smit / Bismark / Liebenberg / Chili
H.VdMerwe / Beast / Gurthro
6 Jul 2009, 19:05 pm
#440 skopskiet: good side
6 Jul 2009, 19:10 pm
left out left wing
Habana / Basson
6 Jul 2009, 19:21 pm
Hey Rich1 et al, looks like you should tuck your head in:-
“The IRBInternational Rugby Board have charged the South African Rugby Union after the Springboks wore armbands during the Third Test defeat to the British and Irish Lions on Saturday as a symbol of solidarity for Bakkies Botha.
The protest occurred aftr the upholding of Botha’s two-week suspension by an independent Appeal Committee for dangerously charging into a ruck without binding on a player.
The IRB have pressed charges for alleged Misconduct in breach of the IRB Regulations Relating to the Game including breaches of the IRB Code of Conduct.
The IRB takes the view that such an act demonstrates a clear disregard of the disciplinary process and does so in a manner which brings, or has the potential to bring, the Game into disrepute.
The IRB has notified the South Africa Rugby Union that it intends to begin the disciplinary proceedings. The matter will now be referred to the independent Judicial Panel Chairman who will appoint a Judicial Officer or Committee.
Botha was banned for two weeks for the second-half charge in the Springboks nailbiting second Test victory over the Lions – which gave them the series – on Adam Jones that left the Welsh prop needing corrective surgery to right a dislocated shoulder.
The Springbok and Lions coaching staff, as well as Jones, have insisted that they saw nothing untoward in the second-rower’s charge, arguing he had merely been clearing a ruck.
“As a sign of solidarity the Springbok players decided to wear white arm bands during the Test match,” said Piet Heymans, head of the South African Rugby Players Association (SARPA).
“At the same time the players want to send a clear message that they require the IRB to have an urgent and serious relook at Law 10.4 (j).”
Hope someone gets a good kick in the butt. This was BS and arrogance in the supreme. Cant see old hands like Danie and Moaner and Frik ever wearing stupid armbands over their national jerseys.
6 Jul 2009, 19:44 pm
#440 skopskiet: Good team Skopskiet.
Just wants to raise a point that has bugged me for a long time.
Whenever there are match reports you will never find any criticism against Matfield. Often when scoring the players it will say: “had a busy day, very good in lineouts , rating 8/10.”
Muller is taking a lot of flak for the forwards that were dominated by the BIL. I watched the game carefully (twice). Muller put in plenty (aggressive) tackles. He is no show pony, doing the hard graft. Matfield was standing at every ruck directing other forwards. Did anyone see him put in a significant tackle?
I have followed him the last 2 seasons. Even been called that I have a personal problem with him. My problem is that he is completely overrated. Not doing any work apart from jumping in the lineouts. Avoiding the contact. Now we have to hear that the balance is not good when Bakkies is away. Yes, all true because he is the lock that does the work, Matfield completely lost when he needs to do hard work.
I dare anyone to watch the last test (and the other 2 for that matter) and tell me if Matfield is such a superstar. He is always noticed because he never enters a ruck. I think it is a luxury to have Matfield a specialist lineout jumper and not much more. Muller took all his balls also by the way. And no, I don’t think Muller is great but pls take off your blindfolds and stop assuming that Matfield is having a good game. Mostly he does nothing!
Most people are calling for Juan Smith’s head, did you notice how many tackles he made, never left an attacker for someone else.
Don’t think Bok forwards are dominant enough (at all!) to warrant the luxury of a lineout jumper that does not add value in the ruck.
Yes, I will get the bullsh^t that Matfield is not an enforcer and it is all about combinations.
I dare you all the watch the game again, follow Matfield and let me know if I am right or wrong.
6 Jul 2009, 19:46 pm
#443 BlackPanther: A hefty fine? What more can they do? The whole world knows that was a bullsh1t citing and the appeal should’ve turned the decision over. Danie, Moaner and Frik played in an era when stuff like Bakkies did, hardly raised an eyebrow.
6 Jul 2009, 19:48 pm
#444 UK Bok: Do you realise its a sin to say anything about a bulls player??
6 Jul 2009, 19:51 pm
#446 sharks_lover: A terminal sin !
UK Bok, come here for a PK !
Hehehe
6 Jul 2009, 19:52 pm
#447 grootblousmile:
bro
6 Jul 2009, 19:53 pm
#446 sharks_lover: No you have it wrong. Only a sin when the comment is negative
6 Jul 2009, 19:55 pm
#444 UK Bok: In saying that i agree with you
they all blame Muller but we can sit down with them , and let them show us where Muller was useless
And i can show you twice where matfield threw the ball back so poorly to Dupreez
I can also show you a few knock ons by Matfield , but yeah thats Mullers fault i aguess
6 Jul 2009, 19:56 pm
#449 Senga: lol
6 Jul 2009, 19:57 pm
#450 sharks_lover: Even Bakkies’s citing is Muller’s fault, demmit !!
6 Jul 2009, 20:00 pm
#452 grootblousmile:
6 Jul 2009, 20:07 pm
#452 grootblousmile: I don’t mind the few mistakes, rather the masterful way Matfield has developed to run around looking busy, avoiding the contact, always there just too late, that is experience for you. This dude will play 200 caps, can not get injured if not making contact.
Rumour has it he played with the same white shorts the whole series!
Oh yes, he has a presence on the field, to me he looks like a “koei wat drinkplek soek”.
6 Jul 2009, 20:23 pm
#454 UK Bok: Brother, some of us study the game… you said you watched the game twice… good on you.
Now I tend to do the same with every game… I replay it from the PVR recording made, check every move and problem and option…
Strangely I still disagree with regard to Matfield’s role compared to Muller.
There should ALWAYS be 2 types of locks, with differing roles in a balanced Team… one athletic lock (No 5 – Matfield / Bekker type) and one enforcer lock (No 4 – Bakkies / Sykes type).
So, when comparing Matfield and Muller, judge Matfield on the No 5 roll he should play and judge Muller on the No 4 roll he should have played.
When you look it like that, Muller falls short of the No 4 roll and is a poor-man’s Bakkies in any language.
To my mind Sykes should have started as No 4 Saturday….
Same applies to a loosie combo (my field of expertice)… you need a True Opensider – fetcher and ball slower who gets down and dirty on the ground at No 6 (No 7 everywhere else in the world), then a Hard Tackling and strong running Blindsider at No 7 (No 6 everywhere else in the world) AND at No 8 you need a man with hands of gold who is a strike runner par excelance…
In this regard, Brussouw is the logical choice at No 6, at No 7 I would play one of Schalla, Dewalt Potgieter, Juan Smith. At No 8 Pierre Spies’s hands let him down often and Kanko runs too laterally and often without purpose… I’m starting to wonder whether Duane Vermeulen should not be our man there.
6 Jul 2009, 20:31 pm
#455 grootblousmile: Congratulations, you managed to beat me at Superbru Lions!!
6 Jul 2009, 20:32 pm
Spis’s hands may let him down, but he has great legs!!
6 Jul 2009, 20:33 pm
Spies’s even !!
6 Jul 2009, 20:33 pm
#456 carol: Hello Karlien Cotswolds… Mrs Chipping Norton 2006 !!
6 Jul 2009, 20:37 pm
#459 grootblousmile: How gaan dit Afrikaanse Broer? Lekker dag….
6 Jul 2009, 20:40 pm
#460 carol: I’m sitting in my office still…. I’m in trouble somehow from inside the house…. don’t know why or what I’ve done…. oi vei !
6 Jul 2009, 20:42 pm
#455 grootblousmile: agree with you fetcher at 6 and striker on 7 with a match breaker at 8.on the bench it must be reflected as well for instance 6 brussow 7potgieter 8 spies bench duane and stegman.i personally think duane can become the type of player that we have in rossow.7,8,5 he realy is one of the more complete players that we have
6 Jul 2009, 20:42 pm
Good Grief, Keo is a bit grumpy here today…..
Do you think he lost a bet!!
Hell its hard being a South African sportsman, nothing you give is EVER good enough!!
Is that why Pieterson loves England !! Heheheh
6 Jul 2009, 20:44 pm
#461 grootblousmile: Ahh *** ?
6 Jul 2009, 20:46 pm
#464 carol: I’m watching Superrugby at the moment, it finishes in 45 minutes…
6 Jul 2009, 20:49 pm
Jake White is awesome!
RWC 2007 was awesome!
The senior Boks are awesome!
hehehehehe….
6 Jul 2009, 20:52 pm
#465 grootblousmile: Go and watch them dig over the bones!!
6 Jul 2009, 20:53 pm
#466 wooden spoon: Percy ESPECIALLY was awesome…..
2007 WC Final emblazoned on my mind!!
6 Jul 2009, 20:54 pm
#467 carol: Yeah, a post mortem… and a proper burial of the game bogeys… hehehe
6 Jul 2009, 20:58 pm
#468 carol: Lol, any “Englander” would agree. They were the subject of SA’s full might in that 36-0 game. For skoppie or anyone else to suggest that the Boks didn’t play as good as anyone has ever seen in that game, then they are deluded.
Don’t forget, this is the same England who went on to beat Australia and France before losing to the same Bok team in the final.
That 36-0 was clinical, man what I’d give to see a Bok team playing to a plan again… *sigh*
6 Jul 2009, 21:00 pm
#462 smallies72: why now just the whole bulls team while ur at it
6 Jul 2009, 21:01 pm
#469 grootblousmile: Hello, my friend, hello
Just called to let you know….
Great Niel Diamond song
i will mail you later
6 Jul 2009, 21:06 pm
#472 superBul: Helloooooooo tjomma.
Weetie hoe lank ek nog innie kantoor gaan weesie… is effe innie poef innie huis…. o jinne !
6 Jul 2009, 21:07 pm
#471 sharks_lover: It does not realy matter witch team you take it can just as easely be 6 stegman7 deysel 8 kanko or 6 botes 7 juan 8 vermeulen,the point is that you have to play them like that in that order.
ps. I am not the gratest bulls suporter, lets just say my fondest memory is 2005 and the cup in Bloem,I normally look at the world in white and orange
6 Jul 2009, 21:08 pm
#470 wooden spoon: You may have to dream on there!!
That was a special few weeks though!!
6 Jul 2009, 21:10 pm
#474 smallies72: no but we forget a little fella called grobler that has been the 2nd best fetcher in this country for 2 to 3 years now
stegmann has only just started getting better and more consitant
agree he is a good player but as an out and out fetcher grobler is very underated
6 Jul 2009, 21:10 pm
#475 carol: btw you won’t see much of me on here over the next 9 months. Going travelling!
6 Jul 2009, 21:10 pm
#473 grootblousmile: I have had a brilliant idea…I may up to come and see the Blue Bulls win the super 14 again next year.
I will start saving now, just tell the boys to get through the rounds and make sure the final is at Loftus again!!
(I need something to look forward too, it may be a long winter)!!
6 Jul 2009, 21:11 pm
#477 wooden spoon: Hey amazing where are you off too? Are you taking your girlie?
6 Jul 2009, 21:12 pm
#475 carol: Hi there Carol, watch your mail for the latest Cheetah cub photos and a beautiful Leopard that walked past me last Friday.
6 Jul 2009, 21:15 pm
#478 carol: Sounds good !!
6 Jul 2009, 21:15 pm
#479 carol: Yep. SE Asia, Aus and NZ, Pacific, and west coast USA. Can’t wait!
Who will be here to argue with skoppie?
6 Jul 2009, 21:18 pm
Folks
Listen to Keo, he has it spot-on.
This team is going backwards and it is only the remnants of JW’s era that are keeping it afloat.
There was no plan on Saturday.
6 Jul 2009, 21:18 pm
#482 wooden spoon: He will argue with himself if needs be….
6 Jul 2009, 21:18 pm
#480 superBul: Hi, I will look forward to those. Have the cheetahs lost their lovely fluffy faces yet? At one of the wine farms near Cape Town we got really close to some captive cheetahs. They were absolutley beautiful.
6 Jul 2009, 21:20 pm
#476 sharks_lover: Grobler is a very gifted player I think that if brussow was not around he will be one of my first options.Thanks for reminding me of him.Only problem is the age 28-29 I think.I also think we are the nation with the most depth in the back row at the moment
6 Jul 2009, 21:21 pm
Arghhhhhhh farkkkk, I am being summoned from the house.
Good night friends
Cheers
6 Jul 2009, 21:22 pm
#482 wooden spoon: Fantastic and as you are well heeled now you will not need to do backpackers hostels like I did!!
You will have a wonderful experience I am sure, lucky you!!
Skop loves a little skirmish….anyone will do!! I think he may miss you though!!
6 Jul 2009, 21:22 pm
#487 grootblousmile: All is forgiven!! xxxx
Go and be nice!!
6 Jul 2009, 21:28 pm
#488 carol: Actually we are doing the hostels here and there where we need to… but the comprimise is that we will take the private doubles where we can. There is always a budget!
Have you done a RTW?
6 Jul 2009, 21:32 pm
#490 wooden spoon: Hit a bit of a snag!! Only did Aus in the end, 6 months and ran out of money.
You will too.
Excellent 6 months though……missed west side of Aus, would like to do Perth and the coast up to Darwin.
Will drive across the Nullabor (spelling) Desert one day too!!
Had some adventures!!
6 Jul 2009, 21:33 pm
#79 chris_h: Possibly one of the best posts ever on Keo – a message straight from the heart and eloquently expressed. Thank you.
6 Jul 2009, 21:36 pm
#207 Big Hit: Apparently the buggers run a half marathon every game!
6 Jul 2009, 21:47 pm
#198 Pietman: “Because we don’t want to wake up the Dept. of Sport again.”
Classic! (Lucky I wasn’t holding a beer)
6 Jul 2009, 22:07 pm
#474 smallies72: Spies at 8 over kanko any dayc’mon boet.
6 Jul 2009, 22:08 pm
#487 grootblousmile: stand your ground man
6 Jul 2009, 22:10 pm
#79 chris_h:
Wow
#492 Inevitable:
Well said that man.
Personally I hope the IRB throw the book at them, ban them all for a couple of matches.
Which will be interpreted as ‘vitriol’ by some. I dont want to see stupid protests over egos or t-shirts with messages or showpony-Ronaldos thinking theyre bigger than the game. Not at Test rugby level. If they want to do that with their club jersey, then let them take it up with their own fans. But no Test team and the jersey speaks for everyone on these issues.
ps – I really felt for Rodderick. What a match. He just looked tired there at end of the 5th, footwork had left him entirely and Fed looked fit compared with less sets on his speedo. 2 sensational Mens Finals in 2 years.
6 Jul 2009, 22:18 pm
#79 chris_h: well done chris, now read the london times a couple more times and be fully under the spell of their propaganda bullshite, and remember to don your white jersey with the rose on it at the end of year tour.
6 Jul 2009, 22:19 pm
#497 WakaNathan: I partly agree. But I’ll have to admit to some sympathy for Bakkies’ outcome, since I believe it was totally uncalled for and had the desired effect on the third Test. We can debate this issue all night but that is my opinion and as many will probably agree as those who don’t.
6 Jul 2009, 22:25 pm
#498 byoboy: disagree. He makes a few good points but totally over the top about the armband issue. Stephen Jones is a tosser of note and someone should piss in his beer. He should be writing for The Sun and not a mainstream paper where people might be caught taking him seriously.
6 Jul 2009, 22:25 pm
it must be a breeze working @ hsm these days, one doesn’t have to do any investigative journalism, you don’t need o get any insight from real experts to understand the inner workings of first phase play, no real intelligence required. All one needs to be able to do is find every possible angle to snipe @ pdv, aha! “lack of disciple begets anarchy-must be fired” hmmm “the team is regressing” “de villiers lacks leadership qualities, so senior players are running the roost”, “no apparent gameplan younger players running like headless chickens” “armband fiasco reveals de villiers not in charge-must be fired”
“senior players demanding conjugal visits, de villiers agrees-must be fired”
I forsee many an SAB sportwriter of the year award on the COO’s desk! The joys of being a rugby scribe!
6 Jul 2009, 22:34 pm
Just found this on the Planet Rugby site:
“South Africa have been charged with misconduct by the International Rugby Board for their protest against the suspension of Bakkies Botha.”
Haha…Classic!
6 Jul 2009, 22:37 pm
I like KEO’s turn of phrase … Beast, the Bunny of Johannesburg …. hee, hee.
Damn right the B&I Lions won a moral victory, more points, more tries, more possession, more domination over longer periods in the 3 games. But for a couple of unprofessional errors we would have won the series. Go hang your heads in shame Monye & O’Gara.
Saffas get the bragging rights after Boks scraped out a win for the series. Well done nevertheless & congratulations.
Lions exceeded everyone’s expectations. Must admit Boks were disappointing. This team has potential that just doesn’t seem to get realised. Team has physical talent, great athletes but no imagination. Is it the coaching or a hangover of the Bulls mentality? In any case prospects not looking good for the Tri-Nations. Oh dear
6 Jul 2009, 22:40 pm
Nothing untoward with the right to peaceful protest for something you believe in. It wasn’t just about Bakkies. It was about a fundament way the game is played. The way we play it. Its in the rules. So I am at odds with the first part of this statement.
“By wearing the arm bands this group of players not only cocked a snoot at due process but displayed a complete lack of respect for the very structures that try to ensure that rugby is played on a level playing field. They should have been counting their lucky stars that Schalk Burger did not receive an 18 week ban for eye gouging for which there was precedent. The arrogance of these players – and the coach and administrators, playing under the banner of “World Champions”, is astounding.
I cannot but wonder if Jake White would have tolerated this sort of insubordination had he been in charge. My guess is probably not. Back then the word “respect” meant something. That group of players (and their management) was a shining example of a team that epitomised what makes rugby the game it is – hard and uncompromising, but disciplined and well versed in the traditions of what it means to be a Springbok. On-and-off the field they excelled and were rightly crowned as Rugby World Champions; and there was not a single rugby pundit who disputed this.”
And I cannot for the life of me, understand why our previous coach manages to sustain the aura of being the Holy Grail of coaching, when he himself, managed a trail of both success and failure in similiar fashion to the current incumbent. JW won the World Cup and nobody’s taking that away from him but recall all the “Joke” White pathetic name-calling along the way and one quickly sees ordinary people for what they are.
6 Jul 2009, 22:41 pm
#501 Transformation: Conjugal visits ? My word what’s the game of rugby coming too?
6 Jul 2009, 22:42 pm
#502 Yetirat: But what does that mean really? A slap on the wrist or return of the RWC trophy?
6 Jul 2009, 22:44 pm
#502 Yetirat: i blame “coach” john smit! Instead on concentrating on tactics & a gameplan he was busing looking for the right coloured tape & perfecting his hand writing to write all the “justice-4″ arm bands! I wonder if nokwe actually consented to wearing the darn thing or the “senior players” imposed them on everyone like they purportedly jake white’s gameplan?
6 Jul 2009, 22:44 pm
#506 JimT: Jim are you there?
6 Jul 2009, 22:46 pm
#503 JimT: GBS said Vickery would be Beasts Bunny on Saturday!! Mmmmmmm…
#504 TASSIES: Hi Tassies, can I get your e mail addie from Grant?
6 Jul 2009, 22:46 pm
#508 carol: Yes I am young lady. Sounds like you had a great time in SA. Have you recovered yet?
6 Jul 2009, 22:48 pm
#507 Transformation: This is beginning to sound like the “Cool Hand Luke” gang. Who plays the part of George Kennedy, Bakkies?
6 Jul 2009, 22:48 pm
#502 Yetirat: Ya right. Why don’t they take a closer inspection of a more important issue. Namely, the quality of the match officials in the current invironment and even perhaps the interpretation of the complex rules. During the 3rd Test I don’t know how many times I noted the Lions rush defence off-sides and none of the three officials noticed or cared to take action. The first Williams try came from an off-sides non-ruling when the Boks were on attack. Similiarly, the 1st Test Vickery front row issue remains a mystery. All said, the first two Tests were a great contest and the 3rd, one to forget, for a number of reasons.
6 Jul 2009, 22:50 pm
#510 JimT: Hahaha….just about, stand by your e mail OK!!
6 Jul 2009, 22:50 pm
Whether or not it was right for the boks to wear the arm band is debatable. But what is very disturbing is that the one time that our coach and players chose to stand together and support their team mates and player, then we have a barrage of negative fkn pathetic press to contend with, as well as some of our own press berrating our team..that is a digrace! If you want to start winging about burgers so called eye gouging please remember that he was cleared of malice and intent. It’s shocking how some people can so easily forget what a brilliant player Schalle has been for the boks and how they can climb on the pom press band wagon and call for his head, one would think he had committed murder or something… just please remember there was no intent before starting to ask for one year bans or any of the other ridiculous bullshit. The boks haven’t been a disgrace and haven’t let anyone down that gave what they got!!! Bukkies banning was absolutely shocking and a fkn disgrace to justice!
6 Jul 2009, 22:51 pm
#509 carol: A breath of fresh. hi Carol. Yup. Grant will have. Enjoying the warm weather. My boykie in London says its stinking hot in the big smoke.
6 Jul 2009, 22:52 pm
#512 TASSIES: While we are on the subject of officials I have a trivia question about the conversion attempt of the 1st Lions try. If the ball falls off the kicking tee doesn’t the kicker get another shot provided the time allotted has not expired?
6 Jul 2009, 22:54 pm
#513 carol: I’m standing at attention & alert
6 Jul 2009, 22:55 pm
#500 TASSIES: the armband issue is debatable but the pom press were shocking ffs
6 Jul 2009, 22:56 pm
#514 byoboy: Yes. A good point. The Keo journos are not doing themselves any favours by consistently playing the gutter journo hand. Its quite transparent really and appears like a journalistic type positioning statement to me. They all sing the same tune. No discernable independence of thought.
6 Jul 2009, 22:58 pm
#516 JimT: Only provided the kicker hasn’t commenced his run-up. The instant he starts his approach, the opposition can legally charge the kick down as the conversion attempt is already set in progress.
6 Jul 2009, 22:58 pm
#514 byoboy: If you ask me reviewing the video there was initial intent & then he changed his mind at the last moment & avoided the actual gouging. So maybe the judgement & suspension was reasonable under the circumstances. I would have not liked to see him get a red card, it would have spoiled the game, but that’s what Lawrence should have recommended.
6 Jul 2009, 22:58 pm
#512 TASSIES: yes their rush defence was offside on numerous occassions but they were also offsides at the break down and coming in from the sides
6 Jul 2009, 22:59 pm
#516 JimT: Yes, if the player has’nt moved to make the kick. My understanding is: if he has made a stride forward then play has commenced.
6 Jul 2009, 23:01 pm
I thought there was no such thing as a Bok B side – RSA has all the depth in the world!!!
I thought RSA could replace all their players without losing strength or is it the Bokke changing stories to suit their argument??
The way I see it this Lions side was a B side before they arrived and ended up as a C and D side…..and the Boks struggled to put them away!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:01 pm
#504 TASSIES:lmao!! this part killed me “i cannot for the life of me, understand why our previous coach manages to sustain the aura of being the Holy Grail of coaching”
#503 JimT: don’t switch up the script now jimt, when the boks outscored the lions & 97 but still lost the series, nobody gave the boks any “moral victories” for scoring more tries! Guscott & the rest all claimed superiority on the strength of the series!
6 Jul 2009, 23:02 pm
#520 TheTackler: Ah I see, thanks for the answer. I’ve only managed to see the game on justin.tv so far. Game will be broadcast here in about 2 hours. I’ll watch out for that. btw I don’t think that Bakkies should have been cited. Maybe warned, no penalty, by the ref.
6 Jul 2009, 23:03 pm
#515 TASSIES: A bit fresher out in the sticks!!
So was the match torture on Saturday and did Grant say he was wearing his new lucky underpants that I bought for him??
They were Bok green, if he wore them and the Boks lost it may be MY fault!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:03 pm
#517 JimT: OK permission to look!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:05 pm
#521 JimT: Some players are naturally vindictive. Burger is not one of them. Not in the man’s nature. He’s a laid-back, comfortable-in-his-skin sort of guy and goes out of his way to socialise and befriend opposition players. People confuse hard with dirty. Burger is the latter. Having said all that, his hand was on the wingers face which is illegal and deserves the highest recourse. That happened. and rightly so. eyes cannot be replaced and must be protected at all costs. Even unintentional misses.
6 Jul 2009, 23:05 pm
#524 wallabie.: Hear hear!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:06 pm
#526 JimT: Jim the match was seriously exciting….get a beer and bubbly for afterwards!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:07 pm
#524 wallabie.: Good point. But a myth. No country has a B side to beat the best.
6 Jul 2009, 23:07 pm
#525 Transformation: Ok, Ok just a little niggle on my part, tongue in cheek
I really enjoyed the test series though, great games, suspense, excitement, it had everything. Personally I thought the series should have ended 1-1-1. But it didn’t & that’s the fun of rugby. Congratulations. Bet the players will not forget this series for a long while, if ever.
6 Jul 2009, 23:08 pm
#527 carol: LOL. So the Lions had a secret weapon, Carol’s green underpants !!
6 Jul 2009, 23:08 pm
#521 JimT: What I’m pissed off about is some bok fans going on the rampage (with the pom press) about how he should never play rugby again or how he should have been banned for 1 year and all the rest of the bull – it’s wasn’t intentional give the guy a break he has done the boks proud. I also read an article in the local press about what a disgrace the boks were and how indisciplined they’ve been. Do these reports have blinkers on, did they not notice how ill disciplined the B&I were I mean wtf?
6 Jul 2009, 23:10 pm
#527 carol: Yeah I do believe he was. But check your postbox. I think he mailed them back this morning.
6 Jul 2009, 23:11 pm
#535 byoboy: Calm down…..it’s only the press, do you believe what you read in the papers?
No, I thought not!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:11 pm
Is 3N this week or next week???
6 Jul 2009, 23:11 pm
#514 byoboy: good post, i enjoyed all of it
ha ha ha
6 Jul 2009, 23:12 pm
#536 TASSIES: Lol….bad choice of present!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:12 pm
#535 byoboy: I’m at your side on this one boet. Were they watching the same games we were?
6 Jul 2009, 23:13 pm
#538 SpringbokSarah: Hi Sarah, did you go and see the Emerging Springboks at Newlands?
6 Jul 2009, 23:14 pm
#531 carol: I know I was hopping up & down in front of my PC. Justin.tv reception was good in the 1st half & then stop/start 2nd half. At one point Firefox crashed & I was frantic !! Very proud of our lads. I think O’Gara should be suspended for a year
Missed the tackle on Fourie & then had two brain explosions. Kicked up field instead of into touch followed by a clumsy tackle on FDP. No wonder he looked distraught.
6 Jul 2009, 23:14 pm
#514 byoboy: he used to be very good but all that smashing his body into a million and ten people has caught up with him. His passing rate is up but his tackling and efficiency rate is down
6 Jul 2009, 23:14 pm
#524 wallabie.: we do have a fair amount of depth but that was our b side and we won the series man that what counts GAAAAAAAN BOKKKKE!!!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:15 pm
#534 JimT: Have I made your mails crash?
6 Jul 2009, 23:15 pm
#542 carol: nope, during the week and during exams
pity though, I would have loved to see Willem’s kick
6 Jul 2009, 23:15 pm
#540 carol: apparently GBS introduced you to a little biltong up Pretoria way. Good stuff No?
6 Jul 2009, 23:16 pm
#537 carol: hey humble super model, wasup?
6 Jul 2009, 23:16 pm
The Springboks are turning into a Soap Opera…of note!
6 Jul 2009, 23:17 pm
#504 TASSIES: Its just another attempt by the British press to deflect from the fact that their poor manners, unsporting-like behaviour,and unwarranted criticism of the refereeeing should have been nailed for bringing the game into disrepute. To critiocise the ref/coach/game in general the way that they have been would not be acceptable in normal SH circle. Being british, obviously, they are above the rules.
The try to deflect the focus from their bad behaviour to our gallant sportsmen’s attempt to make a valid commentary on the state of the game by making it emotional, such as by bringing in irrelevant matter such as Schalk’s citing.
#514 byoboy: The arm band had nothing to do with Schalk at all! Why doesn’t anyone get that?
The fact that the press continues to focus on it shows that either
a) the press dont have the mental capacity to separate the issues, or
b) the press have a collective agenda to criticise PdV and the Bok team.
I for one will not stand for it. I will criticise the press every time when their reporting is vindictive or erroneous.
It was about BAKKIES’ citing, and the fact that he was cited for NORMAL typical robust play. That citing, if used as a precedent, could result in any players being cited after any particular match for no good reason except to hamstring the team (read: the Boks, since we have borne teh brunt of rap citings in the past).
The rulings would effectively read: “Following the reasoning and rulings set out in [the Bakkies citing] we ban you for x weeks.” No more explanation or anything else is required, as the precedent has been set.
Screw that. The decision leaves us with massive uncertainty in what is allowable in rucks, and allows the IRB to decide the fate of games with their hitmen ref’s being able to choose at will which way the game will fall. Like WWF. I don’t like the WWF. It is not sport. I will not watch rugby under those circumstances.
It was a bad decision and needed protest. Either the judciary offcier did not apply their mind properly to the question, or it was a purely vindictive personal attack on player kknown to be physical. Its a sad day when we are hoping that a decison is a personal vindictive one against Bakkies, and not just a completely ridiculously **** decision that was not well thought out.
6 Jul 2009, 23:18 pm
#543 JimT: O’Gara may have to keep a low profile for a while!!
We are still a bit “miffed” with him!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:19 pm
#547 SpringbokSarah: Ohh tough call!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:19 pm
#540 carol: And I’m outa here Carol. Some of us have to work yaknow. Wheat and Barley simply grows itself. hehe
6 Jul 2009, 23:20 pm
#550 Yetirat: maybe they can get a show going
6 Jul 2009, 23:21 pm
#535 byoboy: Yeah when the dust has settled & we’ve all calmed down it’s probably worked out Ok. Burger didn’t get a red card, his suspension not unreasonable. But he was lucky. What if he had seriously damaged Fitzgerald’s eye? Burger would not be able to live with himself.
There have always be a few players who do that deliberately. I recall a well known Welsh International who we played against for several years. Back in the locker room we would look at one another after the game & always there were several players with scratch marks/nail marks across the eye area. He was a psycho
6 Jul 2009, 23:22 pm
#548 TASSIES: Biltong, jerepico, potjie, mielepap, boerwors, bacon kebeb thingies….sorry for the spelling here guys….GBS introduced us to the “Tastes of Pretoria”…
6 Jul 2009, 23:22 pm
#541 TASSIES: #539 Transformation: we know it’s the truth
6 Jul 2009, 23:22 pm
#551 SjamBok: I agree. Gone to bed.
6 Jul 2009, 23:23 pm
#553 carol: haha not really. My mother threatened me. “You’re not going to that match, you have to study or you won’t be seeing the Currie Cup, live or on TV, look how badly you did in Physics”… ect
6 Jul 2009, 23:23 pm
#549 byoboy: Who me!!
Tassies and Jim will tell you I am seriously ordinary, honestly….
Howz it with you?
6 Jul 2009, 23:24 pm
#557 carol: taxi-ride to Mamelodi? no I’m really outaa here. Nite Ms Cotswold.
6 Jul 2009, 23:24 pm
#546 carol: I’ve seen nothing yet. Maybe my porn filter is at work, heh, heh
6 Jul 2009, 23:25 pm
#554 TASSIES: Goodnight….yes it is just waving in the wind at the moment!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:26 pm
#547 SpringbokSarah: You are a ****** Sarah, rubbing it in like that
6 Jul 2009, 23:26 pm
#560 SpringbokSarah: It’s all about negotiation!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:27 pm
#562 TASSIES: That reference is lost on me!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:29 pm
#563 JimT: Well 4 very dodgy pictures have left here…..Should make you smile….when they eventually make it over the Atlantic!
6 Jul 2009, 23:30 pm
#552 carol: Time to retire? Seriously it showed that while he’s effective for the Magners league, Heinken Cup & the odd 6 nations game he is not test material for SH tests. He should have tackled Fourie & prevented the try. He only had to knock him into touch for God’s sake, grrrr
6 Jul 2009, 23:32 pm
#561 carol: ha ha …that’s not what i’ve heard (you forever humble hey? ..an attractive trait in a lady). All ok this side looking forward to the boks kicking some butt in the 3N and of course our beloved Currie Cup. You seemed to have enjoyed your SA trip? did you get to try some biltong and pap?
6 Jul 2009, 23:33 pm
#565 JimT: what? I had to write exams?
#566 carol: No negotiation when it comes to school sadly… she’s got a major leverage on me. I don’t do well, no Newlands, I do badly we move to Johannesburg and still no Newlands
6 Jul 2009, 23:34 pm
#568 carol: Ok I will check ‘em out when they arrive (snail mail?).
Going to get ready to see the 3rd test. Must tape it too.
6 Jul 2009, 23:35 pm
They are seriously considering charging SA Rugby for the armbands? What the f**k is going on? This aint right.
6 Jul 2009, 23:35 pm
#571 SpringbokSarah: You flunk out & it’s Pretoria for you. LOL
6 Jul 2009, 23:37 pm
#571 SpringbokSarah: I was referring to the Willhem kick. He just got lucky, never would do it again in a thousand years
6 Jul 2009, 23:38 pm
#569 JimT: Poor Richard was close to tears and speechless when O’Gara did that.
I was busy oggling Percy who was on our side of the field and missed it!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:38 pm
Bye everyone. Off to see the B&I Lions kick butt again. And tape it for posterity
See y’all on the other side of the hill
6 Jul 2009, 23:39 pm
#574 JimT: no no no, she wouldn’t even like Pretoria. No I flunk and she exchanges all my precious, valuable Stormers/ WP gear (all my prizes, limited edition jersey, Schalk Burger boots ect) and changes them for Bulls memorabilia
anyways must sleep, night!
6 Jul 2009, 23:40 pm
#575 JimT: he does it every 2nd match in a Stormers jersey
6 Jul 2009, 23:42 pm
#576 carol: You deserve to blush for missing that outrage. While I think about it O’Driscoll should have come off with his concussion & maybe Habana would not have made his try. But then on second thoughts O’Gara would have been the replacement, forget that
Now I’m really out of here, bye.
6 Jul 2009, 23:42 pm
#551 SjamBok: correct man. the press need to stop with the shite now. We also need some follow up on the shocking Bakkies decision. I couldn’t believe it when I read an article in the local press stating that after all bakkies foul play that it was high time that he got a citation…where the hell is the logic in that statment.
6 Jul 2009, 23:42 pm
#570 byoboy: Haha anyway, I am going to have a go at Currie Cup on Superbru, has to be easier to start off than super 14′s that was so confusing, teams I had never heard of!
Brings a whole new meaning to prediction!!
Biltong was great and pap was “heavy”!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:43 pm
#577 JimT: See you Jim, let me know what you think of the pics!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:43 pm
#573 Ezee-23: WTF?? are you serious!!! they take away our chances to host the world cup now they come with this BS!
6 Jul 2009, 23:44 pm
#578 SpringbokSarah: Sarah, GBS bought me a Bulls shirt….
Very cool, nearly reaches my knees!!
6 Jul 2009, 23:45 pm
Hey, bed time here…
Night all xx
6 Jul 2009, 23:51 pm
#582 carol: Good luck with the predictions, its going to be difficult to predict that one. Biltong, pap, and some nyama on the braai is the way to go. Must be off, take it easy Carol.
6 Jul 2009, 23:54 pm
Their actually gonns throw misconduct charges at SA Rugby for bringing the game into disrepute. For fu**s sake!
This is wrong on so many levels.
7 Jul 2009, 00:17 am
#498 byoboy:
from the mature to the childish in 1 easy step.
#499 TASSIES:
if, for example, Beast had been taken out of the game for 6-9mths by a Simon Shaw dangerous ‘clearout’ that also helped change the result of the match, then Im guessing that you might not have so much sympathy. Why was there no fuss during the TriN last year when Bakkies got banned for exactly the same ‘clearout’ on Mortlock ? My guess is that it was all wrapped up in the emotion of Burgers eye-gouging and the supposed lack of recognition for the Series victory that accompanied it.
#500 TASSIES:
I hate S.Jones passionately. SA have only had a small window of his pathetic sniping, NZ has had 20years of it.
But on this occassion, he is absolutely right. And he’s not alone, many agreed including Nick Mallett, Eddie Jones and others. Every paper is full of it, and hardly whinging either considering they lost.
Smit should be relieved of the Captaincy for starters, otherwise the balance of power has shifted irreparably. It wont happen tho, rugby admin strators are hardly known for their balls, unless of course theyre Australian.
7 Jul 2009, 00:34 am
#514 byoboy:
‘so called eye-gouging’ ??
and in your own words, what would you call it ?!
#551 SjamBok:
or perhaps the JUSTICE campaign was a smoke and mirror to deflect from Burgers eye-gouging and the perceived lack of recognition for the victorious team ?
What a 1-eyed piece of cr*p you have written. If the shoe was on the other foot, the banshee wailing would never have ceased. Bakkies has been banned for this same offence previously. Now when Shaw gets banned for an innocuous knee-in-the-back, everyone says “well he’s done it before”. Well hellooooooooooo. What if a Bok had been injured out of a match for 6-9mths by a dangerous clearout ? Would you feel passionately about the Lion not being banned ?
#581 byoboy:
Oh shock horror, someone doesnt agree with you.
Bakkies had it coming. Deal with it.
If you select him, you take your risks. Dont bleat if it doesnt come off.
7 Jul 2009, 00:42 am
well i find it unfortunate that there is so much ill feeling after such a great lions series. sure the schalk thing was a bit of a shame (to say the least). sure the lions were disappointed they lost and it showed through, but heck there was incredible intensity and nail biting stuff in both the first two tests – which made for betetr viewing thatn 30 point throashings ever would. when was the last time you saw two teams so desperate to win a test match and so evenly matched on the field?
are we south africans so frikken insecure that we are unable to properly celebrate a fantastic test series win over the lions. heck the lions lost, and they are capable of celebrating their close loss in a fantastic series better than we are able to celebrate the win!
whats the point of winning if you’re just gonna be bitter after?
7 Jul 2009, 00:53 am
I object to your reference to P de V as a court jester. Much more appropriate would be VILLAGE IDIOT
7 Jul 2009, 00:58 am
#590 WakaNathan:
we’re all one eyed even you. lets wait till the tri nations kicks off and then we can disagree properly on issues where we’re both emotionally attached like the south africans and lions are at the moment.
taking the moral highground of objectivity when you’re a neutral is laughable.
for instance – you believe (quite deeply it would appear) that bakkies botha is a dirty player, yet in the last 2 seasons Bbrad Thorn (the ABs sorry excuse for an enforcr) has a worse disciplinary record than Bakkies.
So tell me, do you believe Brad Thorn is a dirty player?
7 Jul 2009, 01:08 am
The South African Rugby Union is to be charged with misconduct for allowing its players and coach to wear white “justice” armbands in the third test against the British and Irish Lions in Johannesburg.
The Springbok players and management, including coach Peter de Villiers, wore the bands in protest at what they considered an unfair two-week suspension given to lock Bakkies Botha for charging Lions prop Adam Jones in the second test in Pretoria.
Welshman Jones dislocated his shoulder and could be out of action for up to six months.
South Africa appealed against Botha’s ban but the suspension was upheld and he missed the third test, which the Lions won 28-9 having lost the first two matches of the series.
“The International Rugby Board (IRB) takes the view that such an act demonstrates a clear disregard of the disciplinary process and does so in a manner which brings, or has the potential to bring, the game into disrepute,” the sport’s governing body said in a statement.
“The IRB has notified the South Africa Rugby Union that it intends to begin the disciplinary proceedings. The matter will now be referred to the independent Judicial Panel Chairman who will appoint a judicial officer or committee.
7 Jul 2009, 01:12 am
WE get it from the British and now from Keo?? This site has lest a bitter taste in my mouth, honestly I’m tired of the anti-PdV articles.
How about an article on why even after a series defeat the Lions walk away from this smelling like roses, surely it cant all be PdV’s fault. We win the series and the positives are overlooked.
I hope the Boks win the Tri-Nations, not because I think we have the best team, which we obviously do, more because it could probably put an end to all this anti-PdV vitriol.
The day a Bok victory is not celebrated even by their own fans will trully be a sad day for rugby!!
7 Jul 2009, 01:14 am
#595 kaksioek: Can you believe this s**t?
7 Jul 2009, 01:19 am
#594 kaksioek:
it was inevitable and to be honest I thought it was a bit petulant form the boks. there is no way Jake would have allowed such a thing to happen and I was disapopinted in the boks when i saw what they were doing.
but now sit back and watch the muppits cry foul over the censure because none of the lions players have been fined for any of their outbursts or for criticising the referees which is also against the IRB rules.
oh yes, who runs the IRB? its not the home unions by any chance is it
7 Jul 2009, 01:24 am
#595 Ezee-23: They smell of roses because they absolutely HAMMERED the Boks in the last test while only lucking the first two by a hair’s breadth.
7 Jul 2009, 01:28 am
#598 TheTackler:
you’re awfully quick to trash the boks who actually won their series against the best of the muddy isles when in NZ everyone’s bashing the Abs and the 3 stooges for the pitiful showing against the french and italians.
dont go throwing stones in glass houses – as P Divvy says – people can see through those glass walls so they know who is throwing the stones….. whatever the funk that means.
7 Jul 2009, 01:34 am
600
7 Jul 2009, 01:35 am
#599 munkiboi: Leave Tackles alone, Tuesdays are bingo night at the old age home, the highlight of his week! He is always in a good mood…
7 Jul 2009, 01:38 am
#600 Ed_die_Leeu: Baie insigewende post Ed! Ek is impressed!
7 Jul 2009, 01:40 am
#602 Koos: Baie dankie Koos. My ‘n ruk gevat om met daai een op te kom.
7 Jul 2009, 01:45 am
#603 Ed_die_Leeu: Snaaks genoeg, ek glo jou!
7 Jul 2009, 01:45 am
Terloops Ef, hoe gaan dit met jou en die argiewe? Laas toe ek gehoor het was jy by die Boere Oorlog…
7 Jul 2009, 01:45 am
#604 Koos: Geen rede om my te betwyfel nie.
7 Jul 2009, 01:46 am
Ef = Ed
7 Jul 2009, 01:47 am
#605 Koos: Dit gaan goed met die argiewe Koos. Ek was ongelukkig ‘n paar dae laat vir die oorlog. My horolosie se datum was verkeerd gestel.
7 Jul 2009, 01:50 am
#608 Ed_die_Leeu: Hoe gebeur dit dat jou sun dial horlosie verkeerd is, was dit bewolk?
7 Jul 2009, 01:53 am
#609 Koos: Dit was baie bewolk en ‘n blou bul het vir my die datums gegee, so alles was verkeerd. Nou drink ek maar ‘n yskoue bier hier terwyl jy werk.
7 Jul 2009, 01:53 am
Ed, lyk my die parafien is op. Kan nie my server files sien nie, eers afsit, parafien vol maak en dan is ek terug…
7 Jul 2009, 01:54 am
#610 Ed_die_Leeu: Ja wel, as jy so stupid is om ‘n Bul te glo dan moet jy suffer…
7 Jul 2009, 01:54 am
#611 Koos: Kan nie jou server sonder parfiem laat hardloop nie. Dit is net so goed jy het nie vuurhoudjies vir jou kerse nie.
7 Jul 2009, 01:55 am
#612 Koos: Ek het dit daai dag besef. Nou vertrou ek hulle minder as die engelse.
7 Jul 2009, 01:59 am
So to get perspective:
The first test almost ended in disaster because of Helium’s selection gaffes. Even the most biased Kaaiwaai could see that this was not a player inadequacy but a coaching deficiency. The past few months have shown this for all to judge.
The second test almost almose ended in disaster because of Burger’s brain **** moment and Helium’s selection gaffes. This test would have been won by a wider margin if our kicker had been on form…but the British media were convinced the Lions nearly won. Victorious in defeat yet again.
The Boks won by 3 tries to 1.
The third test did finally end in disaster because of Helium’s selection gaffes…and the British media celebrated a victory akin to the winning of World war 2.
Once again it should be pointed out that the Boks have done us proud by winning a series without a recognised coach.
Imagine what could have been had the Boks retained the services of Jake White. A series whitewash would most certainly have been the order of the day and our reputation in the eyes of the world’s media would still be intact.
7 Jul 2009, 02:01 am
#613 Ed_die_Leeu: Nee ek weet, alles nou weer vol en die pilot het gevat…
7 Jul 2009, 02:02 am
#616 Koos: Jy is gelukkig. Dit kan langer vat in die winter. Dit is moer warm hier op die oomblik. Was gister heeldag op die Yacht. Die son het my goed gelooi.
7 Jul 2009, 02:02 am
#601 Koos:
I’ll leave him alone when he comes up with something original or new. he’s been spouting the same boring stuff for over 6 years now. I cant let him get away with failing to re-invent himself and coming to the party with a new game plan…..
his game plan is about as original as the 10-man rugby played by Northern Traansvaal in the 80′s but infinitely more boring. and its about as succesful as the current crop of all blacks……
7 Jul 2009, 02:03 am
#615 Predawn: Predawn, I asked the question about the selections and poor subs but funnily none of the P Divvie apologists bothered to answer me. Maybe as simple as the fact they have no answer.
7 Jul 2009, 02:07 am
#617 Ed_die_Leeu: Hey dit is winter hier…slegs 21 vandag!
#618 munkiboi: Don’t hold your breath, he does not have new stuff. Must admit, his comments before the ’07 WC were to be treasured only surpassed by his comments during his beloved AB exit during the 1/4 finals in the same tournament. Now that was GOLD!
We should put a request in for it to be posted again, sure someone saved it for us…
7 Jul 2009, 02:08 am
#620 Koos: Ja, maar julle winter is baie korter en warmer as ons winter. Hoe lyk dinge verder?
7 Jul 2009, 02:14 am
#621 Ed_die_Leeu: Nee ek weet, spot net. Winter hier is net ‘n rumour maar mens word gewoond aan die hitte dan kry ons steeds koud in die ‘winter’.
Verder gaan dit goed, nog rustig by die werk maar gaan moer besig raak in die volgende paar weke en dan stop dit eers September/Oktober.
7 Jul 2009, 02:16 am
#622 Koos: Ek is bly om te **** dinge gaan besiger raak daar vir jou. Dit is altyd goeie nuus.
Ja, kyk. Ek sal nou ‘n SA winter baie maklik aanvat. Ek geniet nogsteeds om te ski, so dit is een positief.
7 Jul 2009, 02:19 am
And now the IRB have charged South Africa with inter alia (Bringing the game into disrepute). Had the IRB had the gumption or foresight to address the matter of disproportionate judgements visited upon the Boks, no such “disreputable” actions would have occurred.
The very history of the IRB is in itself unworthy and must by definition be composed of “disreputables”.
What deems the executive to be exempt from notions of equity?
Does the executive receive remuneration and, if so, who determines the level of such remuneration?
Corruption flourishes still?
7 Jul 2009, 02:22 am
The Boks are a dirty side and are copping their just desserts. The IRB should hammer home this message unambiguously with huge fines and so show solidarity with their law-abiding members against the out-of-control and arrogant yarpies who dumbly think they’re above the law.
7 Jul 2009, 02:23 am
#624 Bludeks:
I am not sure if I agree with the arm bands but if has got the judiciary process into the spotlight then I think it was well worth it. When this goes to a hearing, SARU should be taking a long list of examples of inconsistency into the hearing, including:
RWC 2007: Burgers ban for 6 weeks reduced to 2 on appeal.
Tri-Nations 2008: Thorn gets 1 week for picking up a player who never had the ball past the horizontal and dropping him, how Thorne got 1 week when Botha and Shaw each got 2 weeks for their acts is at least inconsistent.
Tri-Nations 2008: Bismarck gets 3 weeks for “contact with the eye area”. Probably fair enough but if this is worth 3 weeks then Burgers offence should be worth at least 12 weeks.
Super 14 2009: Lauaki not cited for dangerous tackle on Habana, because of failure by judicial officer to cite within agreed time frame(probably can’t blame IRB for this but adds to the failure of the judiciary to carry out its job).
Lions 2009: Burger banned for 8 weeks(probably not consistent when viewed with other similar offences). Botha banned for 2 weeks for “dangerous play” when clearing out a ruck, but Rees not cited for doing the same thing seconds later. In the third test, Heaslip carries out the same “offence” and is pinged by the ref not for dangerous play but for entering from the side. Shaw is banned for 2 weeks for kneeing Du Preez in the back, this seems a heavy punishment when viewed with other incidents i.e. Thorne in TriNations.
I am only using examples with Boks because those spring to mind – not trying to suggest a conspiracy against Boks as in some cases they were on the lucky side, but merely pointing out that the process is woefully inadequate for a professional sport.
Suggestions: 1 judiciary panel for each comp(same person who decides the punishment ) preferably neutral to remove any questions over bias. This judiciary must be consistent and must cite prior incidents as example for decision/explain why previous cases are not used in the decision i.e. unique circumstances. This officer should have some experience in the professional game(ex-player/ref) who can put events into perspective.
Or a very very strict set of rules that determine the length of the ban i.e. if found guilty of “making contact with the eye”, there are 3 levels of severity: weak, medium and strong. If it decided that it is weak, then the player accidentally made contact with the eyes, and whilst accidental still dangerous and hence a min. 3 month ban. Medium: player made contact with eye on purpose but did not gouge(rubbed fist/elbow against eye) and gets a minimum 6 month ban or Strong- a player intentionally/repeatedly made contact with the eye and “gouged”, hence a minimum 1 year ban.
Not saying that the categories should be this way or the punishments but just an example.
7 Jul 2009, 02:25 am
#623 Ed_die_Leeu: Ski jy gereeld? nog nooit gedoen nie maar wil graag.
#625 TheTackler: Hoekom praat jy van jouself in die derde persoon?
7 Jul 2009, 02:26 am
#627 Koos: Ek het eers laas winter begin ski. Ek geniet dit baie. Jy moet dit try. Dit is nie moeilik nie.
7 Jul 2009, 02:28 am
#626 SAinNZ: Yip, your solotion is spot on but that assumes some clear and rational thinking from the old farts, not a hope in hell of that happening!
7 Jul 2009, 02:33 am
#628 Ed_die_Leeu: Hey my balans is nie meer wat dit was nie maar ek kon goed waterski, skateboard, ysskaats ens, behoort reg te kom.
Doen jy snowboard, hulle se dit is great?
7 Jul 2009, 02:35 am
I reckon the point demerit system that is being brought in to curb delinquency on our roads should be expanded to people who bring our country into disrepute.
I’m not sure it will work on our roads because the idea is that motorists are given a bunch of points and with every offence they commit, points get taken away and when they have none left they lose their driving licences.
It’s going to be hard to take away drivers’ licences from those millions of South Africans motorists who actually don’t have one to start with, but the concept of demerit points for bad behaviour is a good one.
And as we enter an age of points scoring, it is probably time to look at a demerit points system for people who do or say stupid things that harm Brand South Africa.
Like Pieter de Villiers and Schalk Burger for starters. And all those politicians and unionists who say the most incredibly silly things and make the world look down their noses at us and shake their heads in awe. Then go and travel or invest somewhere else.
Restaurant owners who rip tourists off and some of those immigration officers airports who treat visiting tourists as though they were all clandestinely trying to import a combination of swine flu and anthrax into the country. The list is endless. Every day some South African somewhere is trashing the country with acts and words of sheer insanity.
Let’s face it; this is important stuff we are talking about. Right now with the economic meltdown every country in the world is fighting to entice tourists and investors.
Surely there can be nothing more important these days than a country’s reputation?
But, it seems to me anyone can do anything they like to tarnish the image of this country without getting into any sort of trouble.
Which is crazy. In the old days they used to behead people for treason against the state for saying things a heck of a lot less inflammatory than some of those choice remarks coming from Pieter de Villiers recently.
Sure, we need to speak out about crime, fraud and corruption in government. That’s not what I am talking about. Sheer stupidity should also carry some sort of punishment.
Maybe we should have a special section of the Constitutional Court with the power to take demerit points away from people who make South Africa looked stupid. Every citizen, company and politician should start off with say, 12 points and every time they do or say something that brings the country into disrepute a certain number of points should be taken away until such time as they have none left and be required by law not to keep their mouths shut for a period of two years.
South Africa is a great country. I would like to say greater than most because we have managed to get ahead without having to indulge in a bloody revolution or bomb the daylights out of other countries which seems to be the way developed nations like doing things.
Sure, we have our problems. But, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by not protecting our own brand.
It’s tough enough having to deal with real issues without having to put up with idiots who shoot their mouths off without thinking about the damage they do to us all.
Send your comments to Chris
7 Jul 2009, 02:35 am
#630 Koos: Ek het nog net geski. Dit is vir my great. Ek sal met die volgende winter Snowboarding try. Dit is lekker, so half uur van my plek af is klein berge, en oor naweke ry ek North Conway toe vir die groot menere daar rondom Mount Washington.
As jy kan yskaats sal jy ok wees met ski. Skateboard en waterski gaan niks help nie.
7 Jul 2009, 02:36 am
#631 superBul: Hello grote!!
7 Jul 2009, 02:47 am
#631 superBul: Howzit SB!
7 Jul 2009, 02:47 am
#633 Ed_die_Leeu: yes ED ek is al weer slapeloos hier vroeg oggend.
Ons twee se CB spanne vat mekaar eerste die jaar, jy darem vol moed?
7 Jul 2009, 02:48 am
#635 superBul: Redelik vol moed my mater. Gaan ‘n goeie game wees. Hoe voel jy oor die game?
Jammer om te **** jy sukkel om te slaap. Dit is lekker kak.
7 Jul 2009, 02:49 am
#632 Ed_die_Leeu: Meer gedink die balans, as jy een kan doen leer jy dievolgende maklik genoeg! Maar my pens het my swaartepunt verander, sukkel so bietjie…
7 Jul 2009, 02:50 am
#634 Koos: Skerp ou Koos, vroeg oggend hier in SA.
Die BIL toer het n paar bitter memories gelaat. Maar oor n maand of 2 onthou mens net die 2-1 result.
7 Jul 2009, 02:51 am
#637 Koos: Met waterski lê jou gewig agter toe. Met skiing lê jou gewig meer in ‘n sentrale, bietjie voorentoe gravitasie. Jou pens kan net help. Jy sal vinnig regkom. Ons Saffas het moerse goeie balans en vernif.
7 Jul 2009, 02:54 am
#636 Ed_die_Leeu: Ek weet regtig nie sal eers sien hoe lyk die span. Sien WO en ZK is beskikbaar, dit help baie. Maar ons is ook sonder FdP en MS en dit maak n MOERSE verkil.
7 Jul 2009, 02:56 am
#640 superBul: Ek sien die Leeus het die Griffons 54-7 gewen. Blykbaar lyk hulle baie meer professioneel onder Hans. Sal self maar eers kyk hoe lyk die span en dan besluit.
7 Jul 2009, 02:58 am
#638 superBul: 2.50vm is nie vroeg oggend nie, dis laat nag!
Maar jy is reg, daar is nie plek vir comments op die scoreboard nie.
#639 Ed_die_Leeu: Hehe bietjie vorentoe se jy? Dis waar die pens inkom, gat oor kop as ek nie keer nie…
7 Jul 2009, 02:59 am
#642 Koos: Ek het ‘n paar keer goed geval. Het die video om dit te bewys, maar dit maak alles soveel lekkerder.
7 Jul 2009, 03:00 am
#641 Ed_die_Leeu: Aish Ed, sal nie my hoop opkry as mens die purple people eaters wen nie, daai Welkom gatte is nie so great nie.
7 Jul 2009, 03:02 am
#644 Koos: Ek stem, maar om dit in Welkom te doen in ‘n warm up. Sal maar sien. Gaan nie te veel hoop op dit sit nie. Wen ons, dan is dit omdat die Bulle se Bokke nie speel nie. Verloor ons, is dit omdat die Bulle die beste span ooit is. Jy ken die storie. hehehe
7 Jul 2009, 03:04 am
#641 Ed_die_Leeu: Maar julle het mos n lekker span wat al lank saamspeel. Is Rose nou weg daar by julle.
PdV het meer skade as goed aan ou Rosie gedoen deur te insist om hom in die Bok squad te sit.
7 Jul 2009, 03:05 am
#643 Ed_die_Leeu: Seker windgat geraak, meeste van die tyd wat ek geval het was dit asgevolg daarvan. Myself eendag poer in my glory in geval met waterski, raak bietjie wintie agter die boot toe ek begin rol…toe ek weer kop bo water kom le my een ski so suidwes van my, die ander so noordwes en ek dryf iewers oos van die boot! My pelle het almal gereken dit was redelik spectacular gewees, ek het blou kolle gehad en baie water gesluk…
7 Jul 2009, 03:08 am
#645 Ed_die_Leeu: Ja ek weet, maak die Bulle almal nulle…nee wag, dit klink nie reg nie…hoe gaan dit nou weer?
Sien julle koop Vrystaat se hasbeen en never beens, kan ons Denwell Demas gratis ongooi? Ek sal selfs sy vervoer op Jhb toe betaal…
7 Jul 2009, 03:09 am
#645 Ed_die_Leeu: Laat ek jou se as die Bulle genoeg manne kan aanmekaar timmer om hierdie jaar die CB te wen gaan my hoop kwaai styg vir volgende jaar se S14.
Daar is n lekker paar spelers beskikbaar by ons. Kyk n agterlyn met Hougaart?adams, Francis?Brummer, WO,…. behoort redelik goed te vaar
7 Jul 2009, 03:13 am
#647 Koos: Ons almal raak windgat. As dit kom by val, sal ek vir jou great stories kan vertel.
#649 superBul: Ons sal sien. Herkie Kruger kan nie swaker as Petoors en Rose wees nie. Ongelukkig is albei Rose’s nog by die Leeus.
Jy moet bietjie daai boek lees van die Leeus. 120 Years of Pride. Ek weet jy is ‘n Bul, maar dit is baie goeie lees materiaal. Vertel alles van die ou B & I Lions en nog baie meer.
7 Jul 2009, 03:13 am
#649 superBul: Die Bulle het nogsteeds moer baie goeie spelers vir die CB. Ek dink hulle kan goed doen. WP maak my nogals bang hierdie jaar.
7 Jul 2009, 03:14 am
In Beeld
Geen gifpenne vir verloorspan-afrigter
Een van die snaaksighede van die afgelope Britse en Ierse Leeus-rugbytoer na Suid-Afrika is dat die verloorspan se afrigter met aansienlik meer openbare aansien as die wenspan se breier uit die toetsreeks tussen dié twee spanne getree het.
7 Jul 2009, 03:17 am
#650 Ed_die_Leeu: Bwhahaha Herkie Kruger, wil jy wed?
7 Jul 2009, 03:18 am
#653 Koos: Ek weet my maat. Maar nou ja. Hulle moet maar doen met Herkie.
7 Jul 2009, 03:19 am
#654 Ed_die_Leeu: En wat van Damwal, vat julle hom? Gratis soos ek se…
7 Jul 2009, 03:19 am
Koos Vrystaat het n moeilike eerste game se ek jou, die Kwas is Kwaai so vroeg in die seisoen en die lot het die BIL lekker besig gehou.
Griekwas wil skrumspiere bult in kragmeting met buurman
Jul 06 2009 08:47:33:967PM – (SA)
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GERDIE KARSTENS
KIMBERLEY
Wie beter as ’n voormalige Springbok-stut en Cheetah-skrumdokter om Griekwas se voorry die oorhand oor die Vrystaat in die skrums te help kry?
Die Poubloues reis Vrydag na Bloemfontein om die Vrystaat-Cheetahs ore te probeer aansit in hul eerste Curriebeker-rugbywedstryd van die seisoen.
En hulle het beslis die skietgoed om veral in die skrums ’n faktor te wees. Griekwas se afrigter, Dawie Theron, het self op stut vir die Bokke gesak en weet wat dit verg om voorlangs teen taai teenstanders te oorheers.
Theron was ook gedurende die Super14-reeks by die Cheetahs as skrumdokter betrokke. Hy het eerstehandse ondervinding van wat Griekwas in die skrums te wagte kan wees.
Die Poubloues beskik oor gesoute skrumwerkers soos Bees Roux, Albertus Buckle, Ruaan du Preez en Steph Roberts, wat almal oor die vermoë beskik om hul teenstanders te karnuffel.
Wanneer hy sy stutte vir die buurstryd aanwys, sal Theron beslis in gedagte hou dat die Cheetahs veral in dié afdeling van die spel in die Super14-reeks gesukkel het.
“Die rolspelers in die skrums moet reg ingestel wees. Hulle moet saam besluit hulle wil voorlangs oorheers. Anders kan ’n pak wat in ’n vorige wedstryd goed vertoon het in ’n volgende kragmeting sukkel om momentum te behou,” het Theron gesê.
Die Cheetahs het verskeie staatmakers soos Kobus Calldo, WP Nel, Jean Botha, Wiaan du Preez en Coenie Oosthuizen.
Veral Calldo het gesukkel om sy stempel in die Super14 af te druk, maar hy sal weens ’n ribbesering nie in aksie wees nie.
In sy afwesigheid is WP Nel in die beginspan ingesluit. Oosthuizen, wat bestendig vertoon het vir die Suid-Afrikaanse o.20-span in die Junior Wêreldtoernooi in Japan, kan vanaf die plaasvervangersbank ’n impak maak.
“Dit is nie ideaal vir ’n span om met ’n onbekende stut-kombinasie op die veld te draf nie,” het Theron oor ’n moontlike skommeling in die Vrystaat-voorry gesê.
“Ek dink egter WP Nel is ’n goeie speler, wat al in die Super14-reeks kans moes gekry het.”
Griekwas het die Vodacombeker met stutte soos Buckle, Roberts en Ruaan du Preez in hul geledere verower en sal geensins vir die fisieke konfrontasie voorlangs terugdeins nie.
Dit sal nie verbaas nie indien Theron besluit om Buckle en Du Preez in die beginspan in te sluit, met Roberts as impakspeler op die bank.
“Ons het goeie skrumvertonings in die Vodacombeker-reeks gelewer. Die Curriebeker is egter ’n ander kompetisie en die spelers weet hulle moet hul spelpeil verder lig,” het hy gesê.
Die Cheetah-span is: Hennie Daniller, Danwel Demas, Corné Uys, Meyer Bosman, Lionel Mapoe, Jacques-Louis Potgieter, Gerrie Odendaal, Francois Uys, Hendro Scholtz (k), Johan Wessels, David de Villiers, Nico Breedt, WP Nel, Adriaan Strauss, Wian du Preez. PLAASVERVANGERS: Richardt Strauss, Coenie Oosthuizen, Frans Viljoen, Kabamba Floors, Tertius Carse, Louis Strydom, JW Jonker.
7 Jul 2009, 03:20 am
#655 Koos: Nee dankie. Laat hom asseblief daar bly.
7 Jul 2009, 03:20 am
#654 Ed_die_Leeu: terloops, moenie vir die straatbrak vertel nie, maar ek vermoed Rose sal goed doen as hy #10 speel in die CC. Die tipe vlak waar hy kan uitstaan, is S14 en **** waar hy vashak…
7 Jul 2009, 03:21 am
#651 Ed_die_Leeu: #656 superBul: #655 Koos:
Jisjis, reen lekker hier sedert laasnag.
Het enige van julle TriNations pool codes, ek soek nog twee asb?
Daai clamjoke van uperbul werk nie, hulle se dit bestaan nie.
7 Jul 2009, 03:22 am
#658 Koos: As jy nou vir straatbrak met ‘n semi wil sien rondloop, moet jy dit vir hom vertel.
Ek stem nie saam nie. Ongelukkig moet vandag se nr 10′s kan verdedig.
7 Jul 2009, 03:23 am
#659 Pietman: Ek sal gou vir jou kyk. Hoe gaan dit my oorlog mater?
7 Jul 2009, 03:24 am
#656 superBul: Kwas sukkel maar teen ons, veral in Bloem. Maar moeilik om te pick so vroeg in die seisoen.
Anyway, wat van ‘n naam is Buckle vir ‘n stut?!?!?! Moer snaaks…
#657 Ed_die_Leeu: Ek betaal sy vervoer…gooi ‘n kas bier in die deal…
7 Jul 2009, 03:24 am
#659 Pietman: Ek sien jy is klaar in ons privaat pool. EK ken nie nog nie. Is daar ‘n night owl een?
7 Jul 2009, 03:25 am
Jong Blou Bul-losskakel nóg ’n aanwins vir Leeus
Jul 06 2009 08:47:37:857PM – (SA)
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Die Leeus se afrigtingspan, Wimpie Vermeulen en Hans Coetzee, hou sake dop tydens gisteroggend se oefening in die Johannesburg-stadion. Die Leeus speel Saterdag op Loftus Versfeld teen die Blou Bulle in die Curriebeker-reeks. Foto: Herman Verwey
PIETER JORDAAN
JOHANNESBURG
Die voormalige Blou Bul-losskakel Ruan? Boshoff kan Saterdag op Loftus Versfeld teen sy oud-spanmaats speelkans kry nadat hy hom by die Leeus aangesluit het.
Die 22-jarige Boshoff, wat as jong speler by die Bulle weens sterk mededinging nie gereelde speelkans kon kry nie, kan Herkie Kruger se adjudant as losskakel in die vroeë deel van die Curriebeker-rugbyreeks wees.
Die ervare Kruger is soos Boshoff een van die Leeus se aanwinste.
Die Springbok-losskakel André Pretorius is nog op die krukkelys en sal eers oor vier weke weer kan speel.
Earl Rose, wat deel van die Bok-groep teen die Britse en Ierse Leeus was, is wel deur Peter de Villiers, Bok-afrigter, vrygestel, maar die kans is goed dat hy op heelagter oorweeg gaan word vir die wedstryd in Pretoria.
Rose en Michael Killian is die vernaamste kandidate om die laaste vesting te beman,
Kruger en Boshoff is vir nou die twee opsies vir die losskakel-posisie.
Pretorius verlaat die Leeus buitendien aan die einde van die seisoen om vir die Western Force in Australië te gaan speel en daarom wil die Rooibontes hul reserwekrag in die posisie verstewig.
Hoewel Boshoff nog tot die einde van die jaar by die Blou Bulle gekontrakteer is, gaan die Goue Leeus Rugbyunie (GLRU) sy salaris vir die duur van die seisoen betaal.
Boshoff was glo gretig om hom in die Goudstad by sy nuwe spanmaats aan te sluit en sal ná vanjaar in die Leeus-kamp aanbly.
Sy broer Marnitz is een van die losskakel-kandidate by die Bulle.
Albei is oud-leeringe van die Hoërskool Nelspruit.
Met die span wat onder Coetzee en Wimpie Vermeulen se afrigting en die leiding en die bystand van Jake White (vorige Bok-breier) as konsultant probeer om die Leeus-kasteel te herbou, is nuwe aanwinste hoog op die sakelys.
Nóg só aanwins is die veelsydige Cheetah-agterspeler Alwyn Hollenbach (24), wat nou ook ’n Leeu is.
Met Louis Ludik beseer en Jaque Fourie by die Springbokke kan Hollenbach die leemtes op heelagter en senter help vul.
Hollenbach – ’n speler wat weer sy beste peil probeer bereik ná ’n ernstige beenbesering in die Curriebeker-eindstryd vir die Cheetahs téén die Leeus in 2007 – het ook gister saam met die Leeus geoefen.
White was die middag by die oefening in die Johannesburg-stadion teenwoordig en sal Coetzee-hulle vir die res van die week bystaan.
Die Leeus, wat deur Cobus Grobbelaar aangevoer word, staan voor ’n groot taak om sommer in hul heel eerste wedstryd van die reeks in die Blou Bulle se agterplaas, Loftus Versfeld, te speel.
7 Jul 2009, 03:25 am
#660 Ed_die_Leeu: Juis hoekom ek nie wil he hy moet **** nie. Dis hoekom CC ok is vir hom en S14 nie…
7 Jul 2009, 03:25 am
#662 Koos: Jy weet hoe om my om te koop. Enige SA bier sal doen.
7 Jul 2009, 03:27 am
#664 superBul: Lyk nie te sleg nie.
7 Jul 2009, 03:27 am
#661 Ed_die_Leeu:
Gaan lekker dankie.
Bly jy en jou mense het lekker gekuier.
Ek het ook n Amerikaner hier aan huis tans, vanaf Lexington, KY.
Praat van oorlog, die spul veg nou hier rondom my oral.
Die Moslem Sjinese het ook met hulle nonsens begin, ek sit nou die plaaslike nuus en kyk hoe hulle en die Buddhiste mekaar vermoor.
Waar daai dam se ganse opduik, is daar net oral kuk in die wereld.
7 Jul 2009, 03:28 am
The pool code for Keo,s Night Owl 3 Nation is clamjoke
7 Jul 2009, 03:28 am
Pete…
Website: http://www.superbru.com/curriecup
Pool code: linygamy
Pool name: Keo Bloggers 2009 CC
7 Jul 2009, 03:29 am
en…
Website: http://www.superbru.com/trinations
Pool code: clamjoke
Pool name: Keo,s Night Owl 3 Nation
7 Jul 2009, 03:30 am
#662 Koos: Ja snaaks , maar so ou was seker baie gespot en toe besluit hy f julle ek sal julle wys.
7 Jul 2009, 03:30 am
#666 Ed_die_Leeu: Great, sit hom sommer vanoggend op die trein…
7 Jul 2009, 03:31 am
#668 Pietman: Die muslims is nou wragtig die gemors van die wêreld.
Maak net seker jy is ok daar.
7 Jul 2009, 03:31 am
#673 Koos: Met die bier!!!
7 Jul 2009, 03:32 am
#672 superBul: Kan net dink hoe sy pelle hom spot!
7 Jul 2009, 03:36 am
#675 Ed_die_Leeu: Sure maar moenie kla as jy nie ‘n vol kas kry nie…
7 Jul 2009, 03:37 am
#677 Koos: Moet net nie vir Notdonwell Dumas sê van die bier nie.
7 Jul 2009, 03:37 am
#669 superBul:
Ok, ek het nou skielik ingekom daar, alhoewel dit wys steeds ‘superbru error’.
Ek dink my ansoek is egter deur, check bietjie en keur goed asseblief.
7 Jul 2009, 03:38 am
Ed as ek so na die spelers kyk wat beseer is of nie beskikbaar nie moet die Koue Leeus bleddie high hopes he. Sien maar wat ou Jake julle mee kan help.
Gaan die Bokke later beskikbaar wees in die CB. As so is moet Bulle net sorg dat hulle in die top 4 eindig.
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has released Wynand Olivier, Zane Kirchner and Dewald Potgieter for Saturday’s first round Absa Currie Cup match against the Lions.
Olivier, Kirchner and Potgieter trained with the team at Loftus’ D-field on Monday and it was quite apparent that the trio were eager to get some game time with the Blue Bulls.
Gurthrö Steenkamp was also released by De Villiers but he will not play against the Lions because he is one leave for a couple of days.
Coach Frans Ludeke was obviously pleased that these Springboks are eligible for the first round match and he said on Monday that they will definitely be used come Saturday.
Most of the other members of the squad are fully fit but Dr Org Strauss confirmed on Monday that Deon Stegmann will not play on the weekend.
Stegmann’s ankle is not yet 100 percent and therefore he will watch the match at the side of other injured players such as John Mametsa, Pedrie Wannenburg and Akona Ndungane.
7 Jul 2009, 03:39 am
Koos, SuperBul en Pietman: Julle ouens moet ‘n lekker dag hê. Tyd vir my om te gaan slaap.
Lekker om weer met julle te chat.
7 Jul 2009, 03:40 am
#679 Pietman: Right gedoen, maar watse gespogery is dit met jou, Piet Pump, Bhaah.
7 Jul 2009, 03:41 am
#678 Ed_die_Leeu: Jy reken as ek hom daai slab gee gaan hy dit nie self uitwerk nie?
#680 superBul: Weet jy watter ander Bokke is los?
7 Jul 2009, 03:41 am
#674 Ed_die_Leeu:
Kukmakers.
Sit nou juis en kyk na die opleiding van kinder suicide bombers in Pakistan.
Mal mense, daai Muslims.
Ek dink die volgende wereldoorlog gaan n godsdienstige een wees, en daai spul sandaaldraende-vingervretende-baardbekke gaan reg in die middel daarvan staan.
7 Jul 2009, 03:41 am
#681 Ed_die_Leeu: Cheers Ed, hande bo die kombers…
7 Jul 2009, 03:43 am
#682 superBul:
Watse ‘spogery’?
Dis my ‘brand name’ daai, oor die hele wereld…
7 Jul 2009, 03:43 am
#684 Pietman: Soos met meeste dinge is dit natuurlik die radikales wat die nuus haal teryl die gematigdes nooit van gehoor word nie. Maar ja, hulle druk orals in.
7 Jul 2009, 03:44 am
#681 Ed_die_Leeu:
Tjeers Ed.
Praat later weer.
Gelukkig begin die CC nou weer, so ons lekker rugby gesels.
7 Jul 2009, 03:45 am
#683 Koos:
Vyf van die Haaie se 12 huidige Springbokke is vir Curriebeker-rugby beskikbaar.
Maar daar is nog geen Juan Martin Hernandez op die oefenveld in Durban nie.
Ryan Kankowski (agtsteman), Deon Carstens (stut), Odwa Ndungane (vleuel), Johann Muller (slot) en Steven Sykes (slot) is die Bokke wat by die toetsreeks teen die Britse en Ierse Leeus betrokke was en deur John Plumtree vir Saterdag se wedstryd teen die Westelike Provinsie oorweeg kan word.
“Ek is verheug om die ervaring van dié Bokke terug te kry. Oor Hernandez is daar nog geen nuwe ontwikkelinge nie,” sê Plumtree, afrigter van die Haaie.
Volgens hom is die Bokke se beskikbaarheid veral van groot waarde aangesien hy nie die toetsspelers Adrian Jacobs (senter), JP Pietersen (vleuel), Ruan Pienaar (losskakel), Frans Steyn (veelsydige agterspeler), John Smit (stut), Bismarck du Plessis (haker) en Beast Mtawarira (stut) in hierdie stadium mag gebruik nie.
Plumtree finaliseer sy span eers môre, maar die kans is skraal dat Hernandez, ’n veelsydige agterspeler van die Argentynse Poemas, sy buiging sal maak.
Hernandez se afwesigheid moet ’n groot frustrasie vir Plumtree wees aangesien die Haaie in Steyn en Pienaar se afwesigheid die Streeptruie sonder ’n werklike teenvoeter vir Willem de Waal (losskakel
7 Jul 2009, 03:47 am
#683 Koos: Jack is egter nie die eerste All Black wat vir die WP sal speel nie. Die All Black-vleuel van die jare veertig Tim Mason het na die Kaap verhuis en in 1950 twee keer vir die WP uitgedraf.
Jack is ook nie die enigste versterking wat die Streeptruie gekry het vir die groot stryd teen die Haaie nie.
Die Springbok-skrumskakel Ricky Januarie is vrygestel vir provinsiale rugby en is beskikbaar.
Die WP se ander twee Bokke, Jean de Villiers en Andries Bekker (beseer), is egter nie vrygestel nie, terwyl Schalk Burger ’n lang skorsing uitdien.
Coetzee sal ook eers vandag uitvind of die agtsteman Duane Vermeulen reg is om die Haaie te pak.
Hy het in die wedstryd op Nuweland vir die Opkomende Bokke teen die Leeus sy linkerhand seergemaak.
7 Jul 2009, 03:48 am
#687 Koos:
Ja, reg.
Ek sit nou juis hier en kyk hoe gematigde Muslimleiers die wandade en terreurdade van die fundamentaliste veroordeel.
So, mens kan ook nie alle Muslims oor dieselfde kam skeer nie, lyk my daai geloof het baie verskillende kampe, nes ons.
7 Jul 2009, 03:49 am
#688 Pietman: Ja ek groet ook eers weer, ek gaan gou so 2 uur slapie insit, dankie vir die geselskap, was lekker.
7 Jul 2009, 04:02 am
#692 superBul: Thanks SuperB, miskien kry Vrystaat Nokwe terug, die ander 2 sal rus. En lekker rus.
#691 Pietman: Baie meer kampe Pete, die radikale groep klink buite beheer te wees in sekere gevalle.
Terloops, daai knaap Noord van jou, is hy lekker in sy kop?
7 Jul 2009, 04:09 am
#693 Koos:
Kim Jong Il is mal, en meesal gesuip. En sy opvolger (sy jongste laaitie) is nog erger. Lewe soos konings terwyld die mense sterf van die honger voor sy paleis.
Kim, Mugabe en daai ander Mohammedwatsenaam van Iran is groot tjommies.
Mugabe se lyfwagte is meesal opgeleide N-Koreaanse militere wagte. Hulle is al jare in Zimbawe.
7 Jul 2009, 04:15 am
#694 Pietman: Se nou die dag vir my vrou ek vermoed die ou is koekoes! Is daar iemand wat hulle sal kan uitvat of is dit maar ssos Zim, almal kla maar kap maar aan.
7 Jul 2009, 04:29 am
#695 Koos:
Ergste van alles is, sy mense aanbid hom.
Ek was so 4 jaar gelede daar, jy kan nie die lofprysings glo nie, vandat jy aanland is dit net ‘Our Dear Leader’ voor en agter, en oral hang sy portrette en staan hy en sy oukerel se standbeelde.
Die bevolking ken niks anders nie, hulle word van kleins af so gebreinspoel, en vir hulle is N-Korea die heelal.
Baie agteraf nasie daai, heeltemal geisoleerd.
Geen internet, geen elektrisiteit snags, geen koerante, geen karre op die paaie (behalwe Kim se konvooi en militere voertuie), net geroeste fietse en staatsbusse by die duisende….en hongersnood.
7 Jul 2009, 04:34 am
#696 Pietman: Ai Pete, nie lekker om te **** nie, baie waarvoor ons moet dankbaar wees en baie wat ons hulp nodig het.
7 Jul 2009, 06:00 am
From rugbyheaven…
“VICTOR MATFIELD, the Springboks’ lineout genius, had the word “Justice” written across the front of his headgear, and along with the rest of the side that played a memorable third Test against the British and Irish Lions, on an armband, as well.
I wondered who or what cause the protest might be supporting until the commentator told us that it was a sign of solidarity for Bakkies Botha over his two-week suspension for foul play during the second Test. The Springboks wanted to highlight their contention that Botha should have been cleared of the charge against him.
If we ever needed further proof of the arrogance and obsessive belief in the divine right of the Springboks to get their way on and off the field, this gesture has provided it. Botha had charged the Lions prop Adam Jones off the ball and had dislocated his shoulder. He was given a two-week suspension. It is unprecedented in rugby that the integrity of an IRB ruling has been challenged so blatantly and provocatively in this way.
When the Springboks captain, John Smit, was asked if his team might get into trouble with the IRB over its armband protest, he replied: “We’ll have to see.”
So far, there has been no official response from the IRB to the gesture of defiance. The case of Botha needs to be looked at in tandem with that of Schalk Burger. In the opening seconds of the second Test against the Lions, Luke Fitzgerald’s eyes somehow attracted the groping fingers of Burger. The Canadian IRB official, Alan Hudson, ruled that the action was reckless but not intentional: that there was some short-lived tearing and blurred vision, and that there was no eye-gouging “in the sense of a ripping or aggressive intrusion of the eye area”.
Even a layman can see there is an inherent contradiction in this finding. Burger’s fingers were in Fitzgerald’s eye for some time. Some damage was done to the eyes. Given that eye-gouging is a “serious matter,” the eight-week ban imposed on Burger was totally inadequate and an injustice to the injured player.
Burger and Botha play the part of the hitmen of the Springboks pack, the enforcers. They launch themselves, illegally, like missiles into the rucks and mauls. They constantly provoke opponents off the ball. They are persistent offenders in the rucks and mauls, Burger going off his feet to kill the ball and Botha coming in from the side and invariably lying on the opponents’ side of the ruck. They tackle around the head constantly.
If the referee tolerates this mayhem, which often happens, the opposition get intimidated and overwhelmed. This tolerance gives a decided edge to the Springboks, as the first two Tests against the Lions indicated. But on Saturday in the third Test, the Lions trounced the Springboks 28-9. The Australian referee Stu Dickinson penalised the Springboks early on for killing the ball at the tackle. This excellent refereeing and the absence of the thuggish play of Burger and Botha meant that the Springboks forwards struggled to stop the Lions recycling ball.
With this front-foot ball, the Lions backs made breaks time and again. Forced to play with shape and discipline, the Springboks were, according to Peter Bills of The Independent, “as clueless as their coach Peter de Villiers”.
After the debacle at Johannesburg and the bizarre defence of Botha, things might have changed for the Springboks. The Lions revealed that without their hitmen, the Springboks struggled to make an impact. This might be the true justice in this matter.”
7 Jul 2009, 06:10 am
It was siloly for the senior players to protest the way they did.
To protest just shows arrogance on the part of the boks that the reswt of the world must bend their way…sorry boys but it dont work that way.
Sure the opposition will agree it was harsh but a law is a law and the ref applied the ruling. Rugby is a collision game and it is about colliding to get the ball but it can for the sadistic mean an opportunity to hurt.
Bakkies comes across as a sadistic plank…going by his history of off the ball incidents.
Laws are in place for the ref to use when they feel incidents are not being played in the spirit of the game.
Bakkies it seems is on the field to hurt then legalises it by saying he is an enforcer. Little does he THINK that his opponent has a family, kids, career and life after rugby that he intends to snatch away.
I agree rugby is a collision sport but its about rugby and getting the ball. The collision is in the rugby and if [eople get hurt doing that then thats rugby…but some take it to the nth degree and think this is an excuse to be animals.
Question I ask – what is Bakkies praying for before he gets onto the field. People clearly know he intentionaly goes on the field to hurt disguised as HARD rugby. He loves the cheap shots.
7 Jul 2009, 06:15 am
Stofile tells poor old Snorre to SOBER UP !!!
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers, ridiculed in the media for his muddled metaphors and often outlandish statements, has now been told to “sober up” by none other than the Minister of Sport and Recreation, Makhenkesi Stofile.
Stofile told the Daily News that he liked De Villiers very much and knew him as a good player from his days in Boland, but suggested the more the Springbok coach talked, the more he got confused.
De Villiers had been presenting himself lately as a rugby spokesperson.
“The role of the coach is to prepare the team,” said Stofile. “The role of the spokesperson is to represent the union.”
Stofile said De Villiers could get away with such things while the Springboks were winning.
“When we are losing it will be a serious problem,” he told the Daily News.
“He will be the first to be fired. Coaches get fired for teams not performing, not because they are not doing their job.”
7 Jul 2009, 06:16 am
Much better wind-up Walla, even if not your own words…but I have to ask, where did this come from:
Botha had charged the Lions prop Adam Jones off the ball and had dislocated his shoulder.
Off the ball? I know he was clearing the ruck, a point even the B&IL were happy with and the were also a bit baffled by the ban!
And then this…
Given that eye-gouging is a “serious matter,” the eight-week ban imposed on Burger was totally inadequate and an injustice to the injured player.
Injured player? The ‘injured player’ himself said afterwards he was fine after the application of some water, he accepted it was not intentional and suggested the ban was more than adequate.
I understand the Oz journalist turning his attention to their biggest threat but I would think he should have tried to stay a little closer to the truth.
7 Jul 2009, 06:28 am
#700 TheTackler: Very very funny…but please explain this bit…
“He will be the first to be fired. Coaches get fired for teams not performing, not because they are not doing their job.”
Say what?
7 Jul 2009, 06:33 am
#700 TheTackler:
O my oh my, now PdeV has really done it.
He has awaken the wrong people.
Darn!
We will now probably see the Rev. ‘Mak’ Stofile flying down to the Antipodes as well, to keep an eye on the coach, and to scrutinise and ‘vet’ his speeches during the TriNations.
HKGK.
7 Jul 2009, 06:38 am
#703 Pietman: Hoe like jy daai laaste sin…wonder wat is sy job dan…
7 Jul 2009, 06:38 am
#702 Koos:
JW got fired for winning the WC, don’t forget.
We are now in for a contest of words and metaphors and biblical proverbs between Stofile and PdeV, it seems.
Perhaps they both should start making speeches to the international rugby in Xhosa or Zulu.
I mean PdeV is ‘black’ after all, he should be able to speak one of the indigenous languages then.
7 Jul 2009, 06:41 am
#704 Koos:
Stofile kan nie juis van PdeV se taalgebruik praat nie, daai ou is erg deur die kuk wanneer dit by gesprekvoering kom.
Hy maak GLAD nie sin nie.
Ek verstaan darem nog wat PdeV se, soort van….
7 Jul 2009, 06:41 am
#701 Koos:
Burger was caught red handed and should haqve been given the 12 weeks regardless if there was no injury. He was caught one could not have been more blatant and crass.
Some get caught out by evidence ie injury and some get caught out doing the act.
I believe getting caught doing the act should be a heavier penalty as there is more proof than there is beer in a brewery.
To go and say there was no injury is just ridiculous…idiotic…he could have done permanent damage. The intention was there and in rugby laws the only thing a player can do, when on the ground off their feet, is breath. your ref said those famous words obvioulsy he did not tell his countrymen.
What the hell were burgers fingers still parked in the eye socket…it was blatantly intentional the way burger was positioned to the victim.
Dont try defend the indefensible as you will sound like PDV.
7 Jul 2009, 06:42 am
#701 Koos:
Well said Koos. The amount of propaganda on this site is so overpowering the stench is suffocating.
#702 Koos:
Oh well countered old chap. I wish I had seen it first. Just shows the snot that gets puked up by the same lame ducks week after week.
7 Jul 2009, 06:44 am
#707 wallabie.:
Forget about that now.
I am more interested in Ozzie’s chanches to win the Tri this year.
I think you guys have a slight edge, despite fielding a youtful outfit.
Your take?
7 Jul 2009, 06:47 am
I reckon burger was lying on the ground then looked over his shoulder and found his fingers parked in someones eye socket and said “fark what are my fingers doing…eight week ban for you you little midgets”.
Then went to the judicial meeting and promptly said “talk to the hand, I am not the one!”
7 Jul 2009, 06:47 am
#708 Predawn:
Saw your post on PdeV on the other thread, good one.
I believe keo has been banned from talking to Bok camp, so we will have to rely on newspapers and ‘skinderstories’ from now on.
7 Jul 2009, 06:52 am
keo has been silenced by the Helium gestapo posing as the Bok camp I would imagine.
7 Jul 2009, 06:55 am
#709 Pietman:
You know me too well!!
Very close this year…lets not write the ABs off now. Been a bit disappointed in the aus journos overrating AUS chances. I was not too impressed with Aus mid year performances but it was clinical in defense which is very important to win any tournament.
RSA looks good but I have suspicisions in the mental strength to go the distance. eg Look what happened in the Lions tour and the protest. They got a bad decision with Bakkies and all their energy went into the debacle when they should have been concentrating on the next game. let management sort that out and they play the game.
If this happens in the tri nations it may be all over for the boks…its in these situations where series are won and lost.
Having said that the Boks are a force this year…they were disappointing last year when they were clearly the strongest team going into the tri nations and then faded. This year they dont look as strong but if the first half of the first test is anything to go by…watch out Aus and NZ.
7 Jul 2009, 06:56 am
#707 wallabie.: Walla, you are rattling the wrong cage, where did I defend his action or even suggested nothing was wrong because there was no injury. I was however pointing out that the scribe suggested first of all that Bakkies charged the man off the ball and second that Burger punishment should have been more because of the ‘injured player’. I asked what injury!
Anyway, seeing we on this now, please explain why Heaslip was not brought to account for a shoulder charge in a ruck, from an offside position? There was no injury but he did the same, if not worse than Botha.
It does not matter how you try to spin this, the scribe tried to get a point across but in his haste to have a go missed the point with a load of hogwash. If he stayed with facts he may even have had a point.
7 Jul 2009, 07:00 am
#713 wallabie.:
Good point, the one on our ‘dubious mental strength’, especially after the BIL series.
We didn’t do too well in that one.
7 Jul 2009, 07:06 am
#580 JimT: O’Driscoll missing Habana for the try had nothing to do with his concussion. For all his greatness, BOD never mastered the rush defence, time and time again on this tour he would shoot up out of the line allowing his man through. I would not be surprised if Muir had deliberately targeted him as a weak link in defence.
7 Jul 2009, 07:08 am
#714 Koos:
Heaslip is squeky clean and does not have the same record as Bakkies.
Bakkies runs around the field with a huge sign on his forhead “PING ME!”
7 Jul 2009, 07:18 am
#717 wallabie.: So if you squeky clean it is ok to transgress the laws? His intention to hurt was also there. What kind of an argument is that?
Anyway, last word on all this, I have never had a problem with dirty players being called up. I also thought Burger came of lightly but then the judicial officer gave his reasons and so be it.
I also don’t have a problem with the two weeks for Botha but I do have a problem that some people are more equal than others in front of the law. It has been a problem since the game turned professional more than 12 years ago now, probably before, and to this day the irb has done nothing to fix the problem. A problem not that hard to fix mind you….
7 Jul 2009, 07:22 am
#408 skopskiet: yeah, the Lions would’ve beaten the current NZ side, France were unlucky not to do it and France aren’t great.
7 Jul 2009, 07:26 am
#718 Koos:
Hey mate the “squeeky clean: was tongue in cheek.
Just a wind up…apologies.
7 Jul 2009, 07:28 am
#720 wallabie.: 3N predictions Wallabie?
7 Jul 2009, 07:28 am
#720 wallabie.: Missed that one and apology accepted!
Who was the scribe in that piece you posted?
7 Jul 2009, 07:39 am
Burger should have got 12 weeks.
Wannabees play the ball not the man. We stopped 3 tries by playing the ball (ala George Smith) Steyn, Deviliers….The Wannabees undertsand marketing and claim to be a running rugby side. We need to start our PR otherwise we will always get pinged.
Martin Johnson got away with a lot more than Bakkies and was proud of it. Secondly the Lions were more dirty than us. Sheridan punched a few times and there were a lot off the ball when the Bokke scored.
When you loose a series 3-1 and claim victory you have to be a looser…LOL
7 Jul 2009, 07:41 am
3nations: Wannabees then Kiwhingers then …well it depends who rocks up and who is the ref. If Dicko is invloved it will 14-3 to Dicko
7 Jul 2009, 07:50 am
Wallabies struggle to win in both NZ and SA, so think that narrows their chances significantly… but they are looking the most dangerous, but Italy and a tired France really isnt an ideal build up…
ABs had two games against France (who never seem to win after playing the ABs), SA had the Lions… so in terms of lead in games think the Aussies may be under done…
should be a cracker series though…
7 Jul 2009, 08:32 am
#725 poppa69: Italy gave them a good workout, especially in the first test and France were competitive for an hour. The Wallabies definitely won’t be undercooked. I still don’t think they’ll win it however.
7 Jul 2009, 08:38 am
#593 munkiboi:
Gee, if you cant be objective as a neutral, youve got no chance whatsoever. Which is obvious when reading any one of your posts.
It is possible however, eg Chris H @ 79.
7 Jul 2009, 09:08 am
#719 Big Hit:
But going on your wonderfully convenient RWC logic, NZ beat the team (SA) who beat the team (Lions)…….
so on what possible premise can you say the Lions would have beaten the ABs ?
7 Jul 2009, 09:09 am
as usual the pomms think they have won something they need to wake up and climb out of bed for a change
7 Jul 2009, 10:05 am
#729 Dunx: They won a test by a record-equalling monstrous 19 point margin.
7 Jul 2009, 10:16 am
#702 Koos: I can’t explain what Stofile means any more than I know what PDV is rabbiting on about when he’s off on his black mechanic/tutus/Moses in the desert garbage in his weird falsetto capey voice.
But I am reminded of a Zimbabwean spokesman for Nomaindia Mfeketo, former mayor of Cape Town. This gentleman, with the apt name of Blackman Nkoro, said that coloureds were generally a race of drunkards and wastrels. Of course, being a black man, he shrugged off any accusations of being a racist.
Might Stofile possibly share an opinion with this Zimbo?
7 Jul 2009, 10:29 am
Are the Springboks aware of just how low their image has sunk internationaly after the Lions tour? The coaching staff are a joke and John Smit and some of the senior players now have too much power. Instead of concentrating on the sideshows (white armbands etc.) they need to realise that they are professionals and every Test in the green and gold should be played with passion and commitment. The jersey does not belong to the current players and at the moment they are dragging it through the mud. Where is the discipline, the pride and the lack of arrogance that won us the World Cup? We have become a team of thugs who cannot string a decent half of rugby together. I fear for the future of Springbok rugby under the present set-up.
7 Jul 2009, 11:44 am
625 THETACKLER
Ah! The quisling stirs again. The Boks are a dirty side?ow there’s a highly intelligent remark. Apart from the players you have clearly previously named. Who are the other dirty players of which the dirty side is composed.
Why don’t you take your little poison pen and stick it. Seems to me you are probably prone to writing on the toilet wall.
7 Jul 2009, 11:48 am
BOYCOTT THE TRY NATIONS TEST MATCHES:
SHOW SARFU WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THEIR GREED…R1 140 A LIONS TEST TICKET
EVERY-ONE DO NOT GO TO ANY TRI-NATIONS TESTS THIS YEAR!
7 Jul 2009, 13:29 pm
#731 TheTackler:
Youre not getting him confused with Winston Peters are you ?
#732 Klein:
Possibly the best thing that could come out of it for SA rugby/Boks is if the IRB banned them for 1 or 2 matches (of course, they wont), which would draw a line under it (as they should, that JUSTICE campaign was disgraceful) and allow them to pick a side completely from afresh. They would play with no expectations and 1, 2 or more players could emerge as the next stars. Then the returning, and hopefully more humble, players would know their place was now not taken for granted and the weeding-out process of aging stars could begin.
This is what happened when the Cavaliers were banned from the ABs post 1986 tour to SA, out of which the phoenix of the Baby Blacks vs France arose who then formed the nucleus of the team that won the RWC the following year.
But Smit and PdV should hang for that display of egos. In the week that 1 of their players eye-gouged, it was completely disgraceful, player power drunk on success of the previous week.
7 Jul 2009, 15:17 pm
#719 Big Hit:
yes i suppose your logic is sound, never thought of that.
7 Jul 2009, 15:56 pm
#736 cab:
Oh, BHs ‘logic’ tends to shift with the winds.
Previously, he was adamant that the RWC theory that ‘this team beat that team who beat that team, meaning this team WOULD HAVE beaten your team’
with his usual conclusion that the ABs couldnt beat the Blind Wheelchair-Rugby 2nd-XV Team from Mongolia.
So, in this case, the ABs beat the Springboks who beat the Lions 2-1.
which means the ABs would have whitewashed the Lions.
Again.
7 Jul 2009, 16:39 pm
#716 Big Hit: Ok I accept your judgement. BOD is a little hot tempered. Maybe the rush defense, which requires a cool, calm head , does not suit his temperament? I will have to look at the 2nd test again (forgot to tape the 1st test).
7 Jul 2009, 16:40 pm
#719 Big Hit: BH how do you compare this Lions side to the 2005 version?
7 Jul 2009, 16:41 pm
#737 BlackPanther: Only problem is that the AB’s lost against France, who finished 3rd in the 6 Nations.
7 Jul 2009, 17:10 pm
#740 AGTEROSKOMOOKINNIEKRAAL:
wheres the problem ?
The Boks have just lost to the Lions.
The All Blacks whitewashed the Lions. The last match was 48-18.
The Boks have lost their last 2 matches to France, the most recent match being at home @ Newlands.
But thanks for bringing this to our attention.
7 Jul 2009, 18:12 pm
Keo, u really are the delusional one. What do u expect when 10 changes have been made to a team. Was there any difference in perfomance on Sat from the Jake white Boks when he made 10 changes against Tonga? Or the Jake White Boks in 2007 away in NZ and OZ. How about the Jake White Boks who played against Connacht in 2007 b4 the world cup?
The truth is the media overestimates the talents of SAfrican players. The truth is a SAfrican B team can never compete against any test nation, let alone the worst Irish provincial team
7 Jul 2009, 20:01 pm
#741 BlackPanther: The 2005 All Blacks were marginally better than the 2005 Springboks (sneaked the Tri-Nations despite the Bokke winning 3 games out of 4). Probably better than the current Springboks too, although the 2005 Lions were absolute toilet (and coached by a semi-retired English idiot) compared with the 2009 version.
The All Blacks’ problem, of course, is periodic erectile dysfunction. They can keep it up fopr three and a half years, but every four years it droops. Regular as clockwork.
7 Jul 2009, 22:38 pm
#742 mars_net: The Boks made 10 changes and the Lions made 8. Much of a muchness, really.
7 Jul 2009, 22:48 pm
#733 Bludeks: There’s a long, unbroken line of dirty players stretching back into history. Matfield, with his hard armguard cynically poleaxing Byron Kelleher, Corne the headbutter Krige, Biter Johan le Roux, Bullet Dalton, Japie Mulder, Moaner van Heerden, Jaap Bekker, Gys Pitzer…
They have a history of filthy play only matched by France. Even the Argies are cleaner and more sporting.
Face it — the Boks ARE a cheating, dirty side. Always have been, still are, always will be. The word “sporting” simply isn’t part of the yarpie psyche.
7 Jul 2009, 23:01 pm
#743 pierre:
The 2005 Lions arrived in NZ stacked full of RWC Winners and with the greatest resources ever. They were lauded a s a strong squad. The ‘semi-retired’ coach had been the England coach in 2004 and was the 1st fulltime coach of the Lions.
The 2009 Lions were devoid of World Stars – only BOD classed in that category – and landed in the country OF the RWC Winners. They had been decimated by injuries, the Boks were at full strength and had 2 Tests at altitude.
An interesting concept this, a RWC-heavy team being ‘toilet’ compared to a widely criticised team of nobodies. Perhaps theyre just overrated ?
7 Jul 2009, 23:04 pm
#745 TheTackler:
thats BS. The ABs have had their fair share of dirty players, we have no right to point fingers in that regard. But they ban players like R.Loe heavily (26weeks for eye-gouging) and they dont bleat about it on the field. Actually, neither does anyone else.
8 Jul 2009, 00:19 am
The ABs have only had the odd recidivist repeat-offender dirty player about once a decade. Loe last played in the early 90′s — almost 20 years ago. They’ve never had a reputation as a dirty team.
8 Jul 2009, 00:53 am
#748 TheTackler:
were you born yesterday ?
Jamie Joseph.
Kevin Borevich
Mark Shaw.
Robin Brooke
Troy Flavell.
In fact, I believe a small reason why we didnt win the RWC in 99 was because John Jafa Hart decided to ‘clean up’ the team of nastiness and present a new-age professional team to all the Auckland Mummys & Daddys. Cue the French props eye-gouging Kronfeld in the Semi and no AB enforcer willing to sort the problem out. I have no problems with a quick punch or knee in the head and I would happily select Bakkies in my side too. He’s an awesome player. But I would know the risks when selecting him because he has been getting away with dangerous flying-headbutts for years. And the Boks know that.
8 Jul 2009, 09:45 am
For all the delusional JWhitecheerleaders including KEO, maybe u need to look at the Boks record in the 21 matches b4 2007 RWC and then tell us how great a team they were:
AB 33 Boks 6 L
Aus 25 Boks 17 L
Boks 21 AB 26 L
Boks 22 Aus 19 W
Boks 35 Sam 8 W
Boks 55 Eng 22 W
Boks 58 Eng 10 W
W XV 7 Boks 32 W
Eng 14 Boks 25 W
Eng 23 Boks 21 L
Ire 32 Boks 15 L
Boks 24 Aus 16 W
Boks 21 AB 20 W
Boks 26 AB 45 L
Aus 20 Boks 18 L
AB 35 Boks 17 L
Aus 49 Boks 0 L
Boks 26 Fra 36 L
Boks 29 Scot 15 W
Boks 36 Scot 16 W
Boks 30 W XV 27 W
Thats 11 wins and 10 losses. Thats a 52% win ratio.
U need to stop making out JW to be such a great coach whereas the numbers tell us otherwise.
8 Jul 2009, 11:40 am
Excuse me #750 but are you THE WakaNathan? As in Tremain and Lachore? If so we are graced by anything you have to say and please continue to write.
Thank you. You would be in my consideration for an all-time All Black XV.
8 Jul 2009, 16:52 pm
#743 pierre: “The All Blacks’ problem, of course, is periodic erectile dysfunction.”
3 1/2 years – not such a bad disfunction, comparing that others can only couple of weeks during October once in 4 years.
8 Jul 2009, 17:19 pm
#750 mars_net: mars_net I think one of those scores there is wrong. You have Boks 26 ABs 45. It was the other way round. Boks 45 and ABs 26. We beat the ABs that day at Ellis Park. So that should show a Bok win there
8 Jul 2009, 17:44 pm
#753 Puma:
wires crossed there Puma, Mars has it right:-
45-26 to ABs @ Loftus, 2006
maybe you were thinking:-
40-46 to Boks @ Ellis Park, 2000
or
40-26 to Boks @ Ellis Park, 2004 (whereby Boks took TriN on pts-diff)
8 Jul 2009, 18:04 pm
#754 BlackPanther: You right BP it was the 40 / 26 at Ellis Park in 2004. Got it wrong. I apologize to you and mars_net.
I was at the game when we beat the ABs 46 / 40 it was under Mallett that time, think it was his last game. Must have been one of the best games I have seen between the Boks and Abs.
8 Jul 2009, 19:09 pm
#755 Puma:
Puma
of all the plonkers on this blog (incl me), you are the very last person to apologise to ANY one. Ive certainly got a bit heated recently about that Bakkies-Justice cr@p but Ive calmed down a little now. Its the old-school principles in me that causes discomfort but I thought that entirely inappropriate and ill-befitting of Smit as a Capt. You know I think of him highly, prior to that. Will be interesting to see how it finishes up.
46-40 sure is some crrrrrrrrrrazy scoreline. I can hardly remember any Tests in our youth that hit 30pts let alone 40, let alone both team breaching 40 ! The professional game sure has lifted performance. Now noone blinks an eye at 40pts.
I rated Mallett alot, was some coach and an honourable man as well. That must have been end of his reign.
I still flinch at 1 of those games in the record run in ’98 when the ABs were up in SA only to be hauled back in last minute by a James Dalton try. Id put my house on that ball coming nowhere near the turf. You win some, you lose some. ABs took it on the chin tho…
8 Jul 2009, 20:34 pm
#756 BlackPanther: Howzit BP, Ja mate we will never know if James Dalton had a try that day. So many around him so could not see very well. None of us could really. No tmo either then. So one will never know. I hope it was as we won that day. Like you say we win some and lose some.
Now that we do have tmo and sometimes I am so convinced in some games its a try, but once you see it over and over on tv and its not. I wonder now how many tries were given many years ago that were not? Must have been many. Also how many tries did some teams get that was not given? So many games years back could have had a different result if there was a tmo then.
Just look at tennis now too with the hawk eye. Its amazing how some calls must have been so wrong too. Great match between Federer and Rodick on Sunday.
8 Jul 2009, 22:50 pm
#733 THETACKLER
I find it difficult to believe that one could be that thick = perhaps you represent the laminated plank – that might be thick enough. Assume the “Japies” beat most of the dung out of you. Obiviously they failed to rid you entirely of your affliction. What makes you such a bitter little vegemite> You persist in naming a small minority of players as justification for your labelling the rest as suits your unhealthy bias.
Still writing on the toilet wall?
9 Jul 2009, 13:06 pm
#757 Puma:
Actually you raise a point Ive been thinking a bit about recently.
TMOs.
and the tennis is an interesting analogy.
Yep, what big games over history may or may not have been altered if different decisions had been given. Ive certainly seen many non-try tries and many try non-tries given over time and Im sure you have too given lack of technology/cameras back then. My eyes dont lie. The more we use the TMOs now you can see that they still come with no Guarantee but I reckon theyre really adding something to the game and more for the fans too. I generally like the TMO concept albiet imperfect.
So I was thinking about the tennis and their ‘Challenge’ calls and also about the NFL ruling whereby the Coach can also challenge ANY decision (ie not just Touchdowns but also penalty calls). The principle being that if you get your Challenge right, you keep it otherwise you lose it.
Id be happy to trial this in rugby, whereby coaching staff have, say, 1 Challenge per half. Obviously you can still have problems with rulings being inconclusive, but I think it would also be great for fans and perhaps even help assuage their anger over certain (dare I say it) in-justices ? It seems to have helped the tennis players control their anger towards umpires too.
That way, there is also a checks’n'balance not only on the ref but also the TMO staff. They could expand the TMO from 1 ref to 3, and then those 3 TMO-refs vote on the decision (results to be published, to keep them honest) with the majority of 2 adjudicating the call for the Challenge.
Also this would add another tactical component to the game and bring in Captains and Coaches in to on-field decisionmaking.
I dont think any more than 1 per Half is necessary given that you dont want it to be too stop-start, but if youre right on your Challenge, then you can still retain it going forward.
It was interesting to compare the 2 close-calls this Lions Series. Fouries in the 2nd Test and Ndunganes in the 3rd. Im sure either or both could have seen a Challenge there with interesting consequences. And might be able to pay for a few more camera angles too.
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