White honoured by IRB
9 Jul 2009
Jake White has been elevated to sit on the prestigious International Rugby Board’s Rugby Committee.
The Rugby Committee addresses all the relevant issues in the game and is headed by former All Blacks captain Graham Mourie (chairman), as well as consisting of other famous names such as Australian Rod McQueen – who like White led his country to World Cup glory.
An IRB spokesperson confirmed to keo.co.za that White’s first meeting with the group will take place in October. Another influential former international rugby player, who is yet to be named, will also join White as additions to the illustrious group.
White was invited by members of the Executive Committee and Council of the organisation to sit on the Rugby Committee, which has a significant impact on the game globally. The Committee was influential in the recent re-structuring of the laws, while it also advises the IRB Council which referees sit on the international selection panel, as well as making decisions on the relevant rugby matters at that particular time.
Other members of the Rugby Committee include former Wales international David Pickering as well as former France winger Jean-Pierre Lux.
By Grant Ball
415 Comments
9 Jul 2009, 15:01 pm
WOW !
9 Jul 2009, 15:01 pm
Yep, the guy must obviously be an idiot…..
9 Jul 2009, 15:03 pm
Well done Jake. At least they recognise your quality.
9 Jul 2009, 15:11 pm
let’s hope he can talk some sense into those IRB mofos
9 Jul 2009, 15:11 pm
well done JW
9 Jul 2009, 15:12 pm
What’s the fuss his forte is in the “boardroom” as opposed to “on da field”.
9 Jul 2009, 15:12 pm
Nice one Jake.
9 Jul 2009, 15:14 pm
Grant: I spotted a few typo’s – You forgot to add “World cup winning coach…” whenever his name appears. It is customary to do so on this site whenever reference is made to ‘The Structured One”
9 Jul 2009, 15:18 pm
#8 Voltron: Winning Ways did not get a punt either
9 Jul 2009, 15:23 pm
Wonder if PdV will also be invited one day?
9 Jul 2009, 15:23 pm
Well done Jake White!
You made your country very proud again.
Eissssssssh, what a man, what a performer what a coach, Jake White.
This man just keeps on raking in the awards and accolades.
Truly a Saffa legend, Jake is.
Rugby icon without equal in SA.
Cheers Jake, mooi man!
9 Jul 2009, 15:24 pm
How many jobs does Jake White have now?
9 Jul 2009, 15:24 pm
#9 Beertjie: Doesn’t need a punt…its written in Font 40 at the top.
PS: I just measured the size of Keo’s head (top left). Interesting that (World Cup winning coach) Jake’s head is marginally bigger in the left banner ad, where he’s making luvvies with (Assistant World Cup winning coach) Eddie Jones.
9 Jul 2009, 15:26 pm
Skop is gonna shiiiit his pants.
9 Jul 2009, 15:27 pm
#12 Sonito: he should count himself lucky what with the recession and all
9 Jul 2009, 15:29 pm
Well done Jake. At least a place where you can truly come to your right without SA Rugby inteference.
Would Hoskins have to address White now as Sir I wonder?
9 Jul 2009, 15:31 pm
#14 Isigidi:
Man ek se jou, skoppie gaan styfskop soos Wacko Jacko as hy hierdie sien….dit gaan n erger gesanik afgee as gister se roubeklaag by die RayBan-konvensie.
9 Jul 2009, 15:32 pm
Apparently he (World Cup winning coach Jake White) has been asked to start up a sub-committee within the IRB Rugby Committee. He’s role will be Head of Structure.
9 Jul 2009, 15:34 pm
#17 Pietman: Awaaaaaala Hoskins sal Jake Mr White moet noem. As Hoskins vanaand versuip aan sy whisky, gaan dit definitief nie wees uit blygeid vir White nie. En Stofpiel! Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
9 Jul 2009, 15:35 pm
#14 Isigidi:
I see in NZ they knight rugby people as well, like Sir Richard Loe, and those.
I think we should ask the Queen of England to bestow the same honour on Jake, us being a former colony of Great Britain and all.
9 Jul 2009, 15:37 pm
He can do a lot of good there.
9 Jul 2009, 15:38 pm
Congrats, Jake. Perhaps you can have some influence on getting SARU repeatedly merked for bringing the game into disrepute.
9 Jul 2009, 15:39 pm
#20 Pietman: Nee pietman, moet iets met meer statuur wees soos The Honourable Knight, Sir Jake White!
9 Jul 2009, 15:39 pm
#21 Breakdown Boy: He did a lot of good here to.
9 Jul 2009, 15:41 pm
Well done Jake.
First issue on the agenda the citing commission please.
9 Jul 2009, 15:41 pm
Good one Jake! You definitely have a Winning Way on the field and with the media. When you became coach the Boks were ranked 6th in the world and you coached them to NUMBER ONE! Later they slipped one place to the mighty ABs.
9 Jul 2009, 15:42 pm
#23 Isigidi:
Hell man, what a boytjie, Jake White.
So many awards, after the struggle he has been through.
Coach of the year at the WC, and all that….something for PdeV to aspire for.
I am so darn proud of him, our Jake.
9 Jul 2009, 15:44 pm
Some sense prevails. Jake is one of a kind, made some mistakes, but fought SARU and the rest of the world (rugby teams) and won. And then got fired by SA Rugby…..and Henry is going to coach the All Blacks to the next World Cup. I have all of a sudden lowered my expectations for the Boks from here on out – just too painful to see the best players ill managed and lose. Wallabies favorites for 3N and then the Kiwis, and then Piet Snor’s men. Oh, may I be so wrong and may John Smit and “assistant coach undercover” Matfield surprise me!
9 Jul 2009, 15:46 pm
Awesome, I have to say as well “Congratulations and well done”
Congratulations and well done to the senior players in the Bok team who made this possible.
We would like to express our hope at this time that this opportunity to used for rugby purposes. Let rugby be the winner at the end of the day!
9 Jul 2009, 15:49 pm
Well done Jake. Once again you make us proud South Africans.
9 Jul 2009, 15:52 pm
#29 Sheriff:
Damn right Lawman!
And I think our coach will be the first to acknpowledge and appreciate that, the fact that John and the senior boys from the Jake era stood by him as the new coach.
Nice to see.
9 Jul 2009, 15:54 pm
#31 Pietman:
Is it clear at this stage whether Eddie Jones will also serve on this committee?
9 Jul 2009, 15:54 pm
#10 ZA1: LOL!
9 Jul 2009, 15:55 pm
#29 Sheriff: You surely meant “Thank you from the senior players who had the privilege to be coached by you”
Don’t worry, we’ll forgive you.
9 Jul 2009, 15:57 pm
#10 ZA1:
9 Jul 2009, 15:58 pm
This is boring.
9 Jul 2009, 15:59 pm
Wel, ek hoop Jake en sy Lindie (Mej SA 1980) geniet vanaand n lekker Jake White Cabernet.
Ek het een bottel present gekry op Hermanus, sommer lus en maak dit NOU oop, maar ek sal moet wag dat die vrou by is, en sy is in die Kaap op die oomblik!
9 Jul 2009, 15:59 pm
Wat kan ek se?
Welgedaan Jake White.
Ek gaan sommer vannaand n braai hou om dit te vier saam met n paar pelle en n hele klomp koue goues.
As my pelle huistoe is gaan ek my dolla aan die hand vat en in haar oor fluister:”Kom mamma,dis nou tyd vir die hoofgereg”.
9 Jul 2009, 16:02 pm
#32 Sheriff:
Not yet, but I am sure we will have clarity soon, after the first celebrations are done.
Jake is a loyal man, as you know.
And Eddie is a steadfast companion of his.
9 Jul 2009, 16:02 pm
Later mense en bloubul ondersteuners,ek moet rol ek het n braai om tereel.
9 Jul 2009, 16:02 pm
#34 Isigidi:
I will quote Don Clarke in 1995 during RWC1995:
“I am happy as long as rugby is the winner at the end of the day ”
It’s a fantastic opportunity, whether it is given to Tappe Henning, Kurt Darren or Elton/Jan (Players 23) is neither here nor there- it’s an opportunity that must be used for the benefit of the country.
9 Jul 2009, 16:04 pm
So let me get this acronym WOW off the latest totum pole:
1. White
2. Oregan
3. Wynvlieg
makes sense to me..
9 Jul 2009, 16:04 pm
#38 Fern:
Janee Varing.
Woorde ontbreek in oomblikke van nasionale trots soos hierdie.
Dit is soooooooo mooi en sooooooo reg, dat DIT nou vir Jake moet toeval na alles.
Ai man….ai…
9 Jul 2009, 16:06 pm
Well done Jake some of us knew you were the messiah of SA rugby
9 Jul 2009, 16:06 pm
im sommer going to phone world cup winning coach jake now and ask him for some lotto numbers…i mean first he was lucky enough that the boks won the wc and now he is lucky to land such a prestigous job like this….man he is full of luck
….not to mention how lucky he was to win the 3n and how lucky he was to be named coach of the year too….let me just phone him quick………..
9 Jul 2009, 16:08 pm
Did White have to “audit” someone out of there for his spot on the committee?
9 Jul 2009, 16:09 pm
Well done Jake.
Wonner net hoe deurmekaar Snorre hulle sou gepraat het as hy gekies was.
9 Jul 2009, 16:11 pm
#46 katman:
Do you think that they told this person that they dont have to worry about their future in that committee?
9 Jul 2009, 16:14 pm
i think they eventually had enough courage to sack william webb ellis…..
9 Jul 2009, 16:20 pm
Well done Jake, I hope all your detractors can now see what we lost when you lost the Bok coach job.
9 Jul 2009, 16:23 pm
congratulations to jake! May he stay there by the IRB and use his management skills to knock them into shape.
Funny we’ve never heard of this commitee before, well they’re about to be in the limelight now, mr hollywood is in the building! Maybe that’s what they wanted by inviting him in the first place, jake adores the spotlight & he’ll bring all the paparazzi with him when he attends those IRB meetings…
again, well done jake white!
9 Jul 2009, 16:28 pm
#51 Transformation:
I think Eddie will act as consultant to Jake…
9 Jul 2009, 16:36 pm
#36 Dawn:
go away then!!
9 Jul 2009, 16:36 pm
Anyway, Table Mountain = awesome!
Still cannot understand how Jan van Riebeeck could steal the mountain from Herre the Beachwalker…
Talking of which … I will see that pal of mine a bit later, I’m sure he has some juicy stories of “break of day”
I will report back
9 Jul 2009, 16:40 pm
Do you guys know that Ian mcIntosh were part of this commitee as well as the Laws Project Group? Why did they made a fuss when Ian was ask to join this committee? None of the other news agency are carrying this story, Keo seems to have the inside tract when it comes to stories about JW or should I say when there is anything positive to be reported about JW and “conniving ways”.
9 Jul 2009, 16:46 pm
#55 John1976: It should be; Why did they NOT made a fuss when Ian was ask to join this committee?
Why is he not mentioned in the article?
9 Jul 2009, 16:50 pm
Soms van julle tree aan net soos die gatgabbas wat die propoganda soos n mislukte siekte uitsaai, julle klink net soos die gatkruipertjie ouens wat hulle drol helde se name so blink probeer in die limelight skou. Die glitterati behoort hulle eie stere op die sypaaidjies daar by die IRB se kantore te kry, mens kan mos maklik raaksien wat eintlik hier aangaan, hulle trek you oe styf toe met al die spin dokter goed wat hier begin uitbars heen en weer.
Ek raak verveeld naar met al die f’kneus soort gatkruip hol soek wat deesdae hier orals uitbars, klink net soos n moffie se sirkus die snaakse politiese rugby site skielik.
9 Jul 2009, 16:54 pm
Here are the current members of the Rugby Committee of the IRB as stipulated on its website
* Graham Mourie (Chairman)
* Chris Le Fevre
* Jean-Pierre Lux
* Rod Macqueen
* Bill Nolan
* John O’Neill
* David Pickering
So Rod Macqueen is there, dont really know the others.
Other South Africans that serve on IRB committees:
Oregan Hoskins – Regulations
Dr Ismail Jakoet – Antidoping Adv Comm and Medical Adv
9 Jul 2009, 16:58 pm
#58 Sheriff:
Jean- Pierre Lux!
What a boytjie, French center.
Graham Mourie, AB flanker.
David, legendary English Loosie, etc…
Jake is the only non-player there, a big honour.
9 Jul 2009, 16:59 pm
#57 skopskiet:
Hello skoppie.
Dis darem n groot eer hierdie, wat ons land te beurt geval het met Jake.
Ek glo jy sal saamste,
9 Jul 2009, 16:59 pm
#58 Sheriff:
Oregan Hoskins also on the Council of the IRB as well as the Executive Committee.
He probably recommended Jake as a goodwill gesture…
9 Jul 2009, 17:03 pm
#61 Sheriff:
Whatever, however, Jake is there.
Perhaps Hoskins will recommend PdeV in due course as well.
9 Jul 2009, 17:05 pm
#61 Sheriff: Didn`t Oregon Fire Jake?
If he recommended him, guilty feelings?
9 Jul 2009, 17:06 pm
ek ken niks van sulke ere af, miskien is dit waar, wat sal ek weet, al wat ek sien is neuse wat al bruine and bruine begin lyk, ek wonder eintlik op die ou end of hulle iets vars miskien sal behoorlik kan ruik met al die bruin goed wat hulle asems begin opstop.
9 Jul 2009, 17:08 pm
Nobody fired Jake, Jake baled, threw in the towel, ran with his tail between his legs, nobody fired Jake, Jake fired himself, on the recommendations of his pals at the Sports Science Institute. Just like Roberto Duran, Jake held up his arms and said. ‘No Mas’.
9 Jul 2009, 17:10 pm
#64 skopskiet:
Dalk moet jy liewer op jou bakkiebou amateur besigheid konsentreer en minder kak hier praat.
Jy is n ou man wat niks bereik het nie in die lewe nie en jy weet jou tyd is vinnig besig om uit teloop.
9 Jul 2009, 17:10 pm
#62 Pietman:
Oregan Hoskins is a very generous man.
White mentions him in his book, it seems that since Jake’s days as an Asst coach at the Sharks, Hoskins was always the man who said a good word for him.
If not mistaken, again when it came to his Bok appointment. I will specifically check this in the book.
And now again? Hoskins already been there and well established and have earned the respect of the Council & EXCO members. As a result, they have faith in his recommendations.
Hoskins, has made mistakes, like we all have, but has served SA rugby community with distinction. If he did make this recommendation then OREGAN HOSKINS is the real hero of this appointment. Regan however not the type of guy who will claim the glory, he will just get on his responsibilities quietly.
9 Jul 2009, 17:11 pm
#65 skopskiet:
Jake said “Judge me after the RWC”.
He won and stepped down as a national hero.
9 Jul 2009, 17:13 pm
#65 skopskiet:
‘Baled with his tail between his legs’, whilst carrying the WC on his head, hehehehe!
No man skoppie, he didn’t apply, was busy prepring for the WC final the same week the job was advertised.
But whatever……..let’s rejoice, and praise the legend, as proud Saffas.
9 Jul 2009, 17:14 pm
I am no fan of Jake, but the guy did achieve something.
Weighing the positives and negatives, the scale tips more in favor of the positive side.
9 Jul 2009, 17:14 pm
#67 Sheriff:
Don’t know Hoskins that well.
But if you say so….
9 Jul 2009, 17:14 pm
#69 Pietman:
Sela Pietman!
9 Jul 2009, 17:15 pm
#58 Sheriff:
Is that not the same Committee who formulated the ELVs under its former guise the Stellenbosch Rules ?
Given the condemnation of that particular Committe over the past 2-3 seasons of ELVs, why is being part of it now such an honourable thing ? Rod McQuieen was integral to the ELVs yet is still there – WTF ? Villepreux was previously there before he signed on as new asst-coach for France.
#20 Pietman:
Sir R.Loe is irony old boy. The peoples Knight but certainly not the Queens.
9 Jul 2009, 17:16 pm
#71 Pietman:
Ek het n bef@kte dag gehad vandag,heeldag in Soweto gewerk.
Wat n vibrant plek,die mense daar dra hulle Springbok replica klere met trots.
9 Jul 2009, 17:17 pm
#68 Fern:
Now, ain’t that the truth Fern!
National hero!
If he were an American, it would have been over CNN like a rash….
9 Jul 2009, 17:17 pm
I think Oregan is one of the better fellows in SA Rugby.
He told the truth about Peter`s appointment.
9 Jul 2009, 17:17 pm
#63 The-Pill:
Oregan Hoskins is a lawyer and therefore focusses on the facts.
He was the spokesperson who had to handle the Jake White debacle. If memory serves me well, White had indicated before going to France in 2007 that he was no longer prepared to carry on. The deadline for apps was therefore not relevant to the Boks’ campaign seeing as their was finality in White’s decision.
I think secretly he hoped that they will change their minds given the result. Well, in the end they stuck to what he had told them in the 1st place. Jake did not like this and decided to use this as a launching pad for his book. Go back to the hype before the launch – then read the book and you will see it was nothing but a marketing ploy. One that was every well executed we have to say…
Hoskins also said with PdV’s appointment that they did not JUST LOOK AT THE MERIT ie also consider other factors.
In other words, they looked at both merit and the transformation req that rugby clearly has in this country.
Of course the media quoted him as saying that PdV was appointed purely and only because of transformation req.
9 Jul 2009, 17:18 pm
#74 Fern:
Wraggies.
Mooi om te ****.
Ons land se swart mense harde Springbokondersteuners, ek weet, hier ook.
9 Jul 2009, 17:18 pm
#75 Pietman:
dit kon nie met n beter ou gebeur het nie.
En kyk waar is hy nou,weer getroud met n stunner,goeie lewe in die Kaap.
9 Jul 2009, 17:20 pm
lol @ all the **** sucking – Jake must’ve come at least 5 times today, good on you Jake!
9 Jul 2009, 17:20 pm
#73 BlackPanther:
Old boy?
Me or Richard?
9 Jul 2009, 17:20 pm
#78 Pietman:
Nie net in Soweto nie,orals
Tembisa,Ivory Park,Shoshanguve,Mansieville…
9 Jul 2009, 17:21 pm
#79 Fern:
Ja, Lindie Kloppers van Pretoria.
Goeie vrou daai.
9 Jul 2009, 17:21 pm
#77 Sheriff: The media all over the world have their own agendas.
They are more tightly controlled than many would think.
I usually take the articles on Keo with a bag of salt.
9 Jul 2009, 17:21 pm
#80 Grape White:
Skopskiet must have had 5 strokes already today
9 Jul 2009, 17:22 pm
#80 Grape White:
You from the Eastern Cape as well, a lawyer maybe?
Sounds like it.
9 Jul 2009, 17:22 pm
#71 Pietman:
I have corresponded with him on one occassion; the tone in his correspondence matches that of his appearance in the public arena.
I was arguably one of the 1st people in Gauteng who bought White’s book. It was my way of internalising the RWC victory.
I will check the references to Hoskins in the book soon to verify, but vaguely remember being surprised that he had been involved with rugby for that long. I guess people look at him also as just another quota appointment, but his track record is there.
Compare him to Brian van Rooyen; chalk and cheese…
9 Jul 2009, 17:23 pm
#83 Pietman:
Mooi vrou,baie stylvol.
Hey my mense kom n bietjie later vir die Jake White Braai.
Boerewors rolle met All Gold se Indian style tomato and onion mix,klaar met al daai lekker kerrie spices is.Kos so R15 n blik maar dis moer lekker.
9 Jul 2009, 17:24 pm
#81 Pietman:
take yr pick.
‘Sir’ Richard came about as in ‘noone questions **** Loe. Noone. He eats babies for breakfast’.
9 Jul 2009, 17:24 pm
#88 Fern:
Daai sousie het tot kerrieblare in.
9 Jul 2009, 17:27 pm
#88 Fern: So van kos gepraat, ek het seker 3 jaar gewag dat die local Spar weer Skippy peanutbutter inkry.
Dit word nou net in Amerika gemaak. Dis kos R26 n potjie! Moer duur , maar Black Cat kan gaan k@k!
9 Jul 2009, 17:29 pm
#87 Sheriff:
There are many kinds of lawyers.
Hoskins used to be in conveyancing in PMB, like Dekker Govendar.
That is not a law, really.
Mostly about shuffling papers.
That is why he fckt up in Luke’s inquiry, for instance, didn’t know the procedures, and Gauntlett SC gave him leave of abscence within two minutes.
9 Jul 2009, 17:29 pm
#84 The-Pill:
It is clear that there is pro-Jake agenda and anti-PdV agenda here on keo.
Right now, PdV does not want to play ball, so he gets hammered. Jake gets appointed in a committee and we have to hear that ” he has been elevated ”
I guess it has to do with who is “nice” with Mark Keohane.
I’ve read Keohane’s articles since the mid 90′s, think he was the sport journo for Cape Times. Always called a spade a spade. Now in his early 40′s he operates slightly differently then back then, and understandably so.
What he shares with Jake is that they are now businessmen, you’ll notice Jake not that keen to coach again. And rugby of course is the industry/domain they work in.
9 Jul 2009, 17:33 pm
#93 Sheriff:
O faark, jy begin klink nou soos Transportation met jou anti-Keohane posts, ek se!
Ek sien julle twee gaan nog lekker gesels vorentoe.
Hehehehe!
9 Jul 2009, 17:34 pm
#93 Sheriff
oesn`t it always seem that the media is anti Springbok Coach?
I think you must be either crazy or have balls of titanium to be Springbok Coach.
9 Jul 2009, 17:35 pm
#86 Pietman: I am whatever stereotype u want me to be lol, that shouldn’t be hard since u can only probably think in stereotypes
9 Jul 2009, 17:35 pm
Skreeu snaaks om geskarrel te sien onder die idiote wat SOOOO graag Jake White in ‘n negatiewe lig wou plaas om hule eie polities aangestelde held beter te laat lyk.
Dankie dat jy so ‘n goeie ambassadeur vir SA was en steeds is Jake!
Dankie dat niemand lag wanneer jy jou mond oopmaak nie
Dankie vir jou uiters professionele benadering
Jy het ‘n maatstaf gestel wat moeilik deur politieke aanstellings nagedoen sal kan word!!
9 Jul 2009, 17:36 pm
#92 Pietman:
Remember the person I’m talking about here is Oregan Hoskins and how he possibly could have influenced this decision – this huge honour for White. Remember, I’m not saying it’s fact.
But I do know that if there’s a guy on the Board of Directors and EXCO of a company and he does not like you, then you have zero chances of being “elected” ; very often this is based on a recommendation of an existing trusted person.
If he is the legal prof then generally a certain thinking style. Dekker not relevant here.
But I will check the references in White’s book, just to clarify. Even when I rely on memory I hate getting facts wrong.
9 Jul 2009, 17:37 pm
Nou ja manne, ek gaan nou waai.
Genoeg donkerbril begrafnis gehou op CNN en nonsens gepraat op keo hierdie week, nou wag ek vir die rugby voor ons weer ontmoet.
Tjeers.
9 Jul 2009, 17:39 pm
#97 SA Barbarians: Jake is nie perfek, maar gee hom sy eer!
Min mense sal bereik wat hy al bereik het.
Good for him.
9 Jul 2009, 17:39 pm
#96 Grape White:
Jou ma man!
Daar is n stereotipe vir jou gammat, so gaan suig aan dit.
9 Jul 2009, 17:41 pm
#101 Pietman: see that wasn’t too hard now was it? lol
9 Jul 2009, 17:41 pm
#94 Pietman:
Perhaps you’re not reading that with an open mind.
I stated how keo use to write back then, why do you think Harry Viljoen rushed to appoint him as his media person almost immediately?
There is nothing anti-him.
That’s my opinion based on what I read in the mid 90′s and what I see now. Matter of fact he won an award again the other day for ” provocative articles ” I think it stated.
But I think you’re gut feeling is right, he has lashed out at Harry the Beachwalker, Ashley … so not that farfetched…
9 Jul 2009, 17:42 pm
Unfortunately, when it comes to selection and admitance to such a select group……”transformation”, is never on the agenda.
so basically, Twakkie has no frikken chance.
ever
Is there actually anyone on this blog that thinks that he(the Twakster) would ever be invited to such a commitee?
Wait…hold that thought.
I’m sure kortpiel would actually not only think so, but DEMAND so because otherwise…it’s Route 1.
and we can’t have that.
no siree.
9 Jul 2009, 17:42 pm
#95 The-Pill:
Or both.
9 Jul 2009, 17:44 pm
#97 SA Barbarians: Jy en Jake se Maatstawwe was Bepaal toe julle sondagSkool juffrouens julle oor die Kop geMoer het en Julle met die Here gedreig het toe Julle in Julle neuse gekrap het.Dis hoe JOU en Sy standaard bepaal was.Julle het Albei die koningin se maniertjies aangeleer want dis Hoekom jy jou Gat WIP elke keer as PDiv sy mond Oopmaak want hy klink nie soosie queen Nie.
9 Jul 2009, 17:49 pm
#106 namakwaland:
Klink jy was ook in n previously disadvantaged skool, saam met Sean Langenhoven.
Hoop nie julle moes betaal vir dit nie, want dan het die boere julle bef)K met n minderwaardige education, geoordeel aan jou spelling.
9 Jul 2009, 17:50 pm
#104 St.Petersburgbok:
St P
I think you’re right. PdV is not the type of guy who wants to sit in committees. My personal view is that he would also not be adding the most value that he can.
He wants to be on the field, making it happen. So there is no need to compare him with White in this instance.
I was merely exploring this “huge honour” with my little bit of organisational experience. Fact is, the man is there and he now needs to deliver.
He must fly to Dublin just to go and talk k*k there; its a platform to help make a difference.
9 Jul 2009, 17:53 pm
#107 Pietman: Jou Idee Van wat belangrik is Maakie vir my Saakie.
9 Jul 2009, 17:56 pm
#106 namakwaland: Gaan soek op ‘n ander plek simpatie vir jou en PdV se kak aksente en spraak gebreke.
Hierdie thread gaan oor erkenning van gehalte – jy pas nie in hierdie geselskap nie, so gaan soek vir ‘n blog oor laer vlak kwessies
9 Jul 2009, 17:57 pm
#108 Sheriff:
you must surely be joking,right?
Twakkie is on the gravy train.
he would jump on any carrige.
I doubt very much that he cares which one he get’s on.
Unfortunately for us, it is the one which can damage south african the most.
9 Jul 2009, 17:58 pm
#107 Pietman: Daar is nie pille vir sy soort domheid nie
9 Jul 2009, 18:01 pm
#111 St.Petersburgbok:
Just check what we were discussing here, the topic.
This is about Jake’s huge honour. Read the posts again.
I dont even know why I say that as I have seen over and over that your reasoning is not what it should be.
Take it easy fella…
9 Jul 2009, 18:03 pm
#110 SA Barbarians: O ek Verstaan jy is Die eienaar Hier of Vat jy net wat Nie joune is? Nog n ************* geWoonte. Solank jy besef jou Gehalte is bepaal deur Jou koningin.
9 Jul 2009, 18:04 pm
#112 SA Barbarians: Watte soort issit?
9 Jul 2009, 18:10 pm
#110 SA Barbarians: Jou gehalte is Selektief en by die ************* word Kleur Nie ingereken nie.N ************* Sal vertel dat innie laaste Toets was die vleuels Kak net om verSkoning te maak vir die senters se Spel maar Net om Seker te maak hy word Nie verkeerd verStaan nie sal hy vertel dat Zane darem n Redelike game gehad het.Die queen het hom geleer om Net sy Soort te Erken.
9 Jul 2009, 18:10 pm
#114 namakwaland: Ek het nou genoeg van my tyd afgestaan aan jou beperkte en ideologies hardlywige gemors.
Die beeld van ‘n ************* waaroor jy so aangaan, is die weerkaatsing van jou gevreet in die spieel wat jy vashou.
Kry nou jou ry en gaan soek geselskap op terreine waar jy makliker kan inpas. Jy is uit jou diepte uit hier
9 Jul 2009, 18:15 pm
#117 SA Barbarians: Jy Is korrek Ek is Nie Op jou Diepte,Kyk OP jy is Innie Gat.
9 Jul 2009, 18:17 pm
#117 SA Barbarians: Ignoreer die geelbek met die blou tandvleises maat
Hierdie ou en van sy trawante is net hier om kak te soek dis al.
Hulle sorrt kryp weg agter hul reekenaars en soek dan skoor,weetend hy is nie naby jou om hom a klap te gee dat sy snot sy kop omsingel
Dus beste is om nie eens raak te sien wat hy uit sy gat uit krat en hier tik nie
9 Jul 2009, 18:18 pm
#119 sharks_lover: Hulle hou gewoonlik op laat in die aand want dan blog hulle nie meer op die baas se tyd nie
9 Jul 2009, 18:19 pm
#119 sharks_lover: Howzit Sharkie.
Jy is reg, ‘n mens moet die hobo’s van die blog wat in hulle eie uriene lê en vloek en skel maar liewer ignoreer en verby stap.
9 Jul 2009, 18:19 pm
#117 SA Barbarians: Daar is n geseg ……. praat met a Drol en n kak reuk klap jou neus
9 Jul 2009, 18:22 pm
#121 SA Barbarians: Hiyas boet lol beste
#120 JL1:
boet hiyas
9 Jul 2009, 18:23 pm
#119 sharks_lover: Kan jy Net met Geweld Dreig? Geen logika Net n snotklap.Hoe TIPIES *************.Jy klink beVrees.
9 Jul 2009, 18:24 pm
eish my afrikaans not to bad for a soutie
9 Jul 2009, 18:25 pm
#119 sharks_lover: Wat Maak jou So sterk? Kannie enigeiets met Gewere te Doen wees nie.Jou Tipe Hardloop gewoonlik baie Vinnig.
9 Jul 2009, 18:25 pm
#121 SA Barbarians: #120 JL1: sien ek praat met julle die dokters ,
dan antwoord daai siekte ( namakwalandse se bobbejaan )
9 Jul 2009, 18:26 pm
#122 sharks_lover:
Yep, ‘n mens kan die toilet maar oor en oor spoel, maar sekere floaters kom net weer op om die atmosfeer te besoedel. Hulle het geen selfrespek nie en probeer orals indring waar hulle nie hoort nie
9 Jul 2009, 18:27 pm
Anyhows SAB you guys take care and catcha laters , im off to help wife with dinner :blush:
9 Jul 2009, 18:27 pm
Miskien Moet ons Bietjie gesels oor die ************* se Groot Bek.Die Sogenaamde Trotse geskiedenis.
9 Jul 2009, 18:28 pm
#127 sharks_lover: hehehe your Afrikaans is good mate. Predictions for the Sharks/WP game?
9 Jul 2009, 18:28 pm
#127 sharks_lover: Het jy al jou Varkgriep medisyne geVat wat Donnie Rumsfeldt vir Jou gestuur het?
9 Jul 2009, 18:30 pm
#126 namakwaland: hahaha. Jy is f@kken snaaks, en f@kken dom en f@kken irriterend. Watse k@k is dit dat elke tweede woord met ‘n hoofletter begin word? Het hulle jou nie in Boesmanland leer spel nie? Ek moet lag, waar sleep hulle jou soort uit?
9 Jul 2009, 18:33 pm
#119 sharks_lover: Jy Is Sekerlik Een van Daai Werfbobbejane wat Wegkruip as die skote KLAP.Was jy OOK een van Daai Dapper bosVegters?
9 Jul 2009, 18:34 pm
Wat het die snoeksmouse en draadspanners nou al aan die samelewing gelewer? Watter bydrae het hulle nou al gemaak waarvan daar boeke geskryf is? En nee, daai hoer met die groot boude, Saartjie Baartman tel nie!!
9 Jul 2009, 18:38 pm
#133 KingPaul: Hy is ‘n bosslaper wat in sy eie stank lê en geraas maak KP. Gooi vir hom ‘n halwe brood as jy in ‘n goeie bui is en hou verby. As hulle nie so lawaai maak en so irriterend was nie kon mens simpatie gehad het, al is die stank onhoudbaar
9 Jul 2009, 18:40 pm
#133 KingPaul: Dit Moet irriteer.As dit irriteer Dan Werk dit.Ek Word Nie soos jy geLeer.
9 Jul 2009, 18:42 pm
#136 SA Barbarians: As die Stank onhoudbaar is Wie gaan eerste Padvat?
9 Jul 2009, 18:43 pm
Jake jou BISCUIT.
Only one way to shut your critics up and that is to be honoured by the international community.
2004 – IRB coach of the year
2007 – IRB coach of the year
2009 – Asked to join the IRB commitee.
Well done. 3 accomplishments that no other SA coach ever achieved.
9 Jul 2009, 18:44 pm
#136 SA Barbarians: Moenie die bottel spirits vergeet nie? Ek wed jou hy het ook sulke opgeswelde lippe van bloutrein ry. Shame, mens moet hom eintlik jammer kry, dis nie sy skuld dat hy ‘n agtergeblewene is nie. Daar in Riemvasmaak gaan dit mos maar sleg!!
9 Jul 2009, 18:45 pm
#133 KingPaul: Ek het Die taal by dieselle plek geLeer Waar jy geLeer Weghardloop het.Hoop jy Verstaan die keer.
9 Jul 2009, 18:46 pm
#139 WilladieLeeu: And all was achieved on merit…. for rugby reasons only.
Now that demands respect….
9 Jul 2009, 18:48 pm
#140 KingPaul: Van Waar ek staan IS jy die AgterGeblewende.Jou OpperVlakkige aanNames beVestig dit.
9 Jul 2009, 18:50 pm
#140 KingPaul: ‘n Mens kan ook net so ver gaan met pogings tot opheffing. Op ‘n stadium raak dit duidelik dat sommiges eenvoudig te sleg is om self verder te groei en dan sak hulle weer terug in die moeras van verskonings
9 Jul 2009, 18:51 pm
Grant and GBS have vanished…..
I am getting worried!!!
9 Jul 2009, 18:51 pm
#139 WilladieLeeu:
altho, all those IRB awards have only been going 5 mins, since 2001, so previous maestros like McQueen and Mallett didnt even qualify let alone players, juniors etc.
Graham Henry has won the IRB Coach of Year 3 times incl current Awardee. Whoop de sh*t, some might say. Sack him, say others !
Current IRB Player of the Year Shane Williams was hardly everyones universal pick either.
9 Jul 2009, 18:52 pm
#145 carol: No need to worry. GBS is as straight as an arrow hehehe
9 Jul 2009, 18:53 pm
#146 BlackPanther:
* actually, Ive got a feeling McQueen may have snuck in there post 1999 success.
Still, no Kitch Christie or Mallett.
9 Jul 2009, 18:54 pm
#140 KingPaul: Jy Probeer baie hard om jou sensitiewe Egotjie onder Haatspraak weg te steek of probeer jy maar Net jouSelf van JOU Superioriteit oortuig?Dis geGrond in VALSHEID soos jou Geskiedenis jou Wys.As jy net Ophou om die koningin se Weergawe te GLO.
9 Jul 2009, 18:55 pm
good article by rob peters of iafrica
I am among the first to applaud the Springboks for their series victory over the British and Irish Lions. It was an admirable and deserved accomplishment, but despite the triumph it appears that this side is regressing at an alarming rate — and you can thank the coaching staff for that.
Under the trio of Peter de Villiers, **** Muir and Gary Gold, the Springboks have been successful — to a point — in the results column, but the team has not pushed on since winning the World Cup in 2007 as they should have.
The Boks of 2008 were favoured to win the Tri-Nations title, and justifiably so considering they were up against a rebuilding Australia and New Zealand, yet despite fielding the most experienced (and arguably talented) side in the competition, the South Africans finished dead last.
De Villiers, who had already shown a penchant for bizarre statements in the media, survived the worst of it after a historic win over the All Blacks in Dunedin, and a demolition of the Wallabies in Joburg in the final game of the ’08 tournament. But sandwiched between those two performances were a 19-0 loss to the ABs and a 27-15 defeat to the Wallabies — the latter being the first time the Australians had won in South Africa in eight years.
But fans tend to remember the last game and the victory over the Aussies at Ellis Park gave them hope.
The Boks then achieved a clean sweep on a three-match tour of the United Kingdom and De Villiers — along with his assistants — were again the toast of the town. But on closer inspection, the results were far from ideal. A narrow 20-15 win over Wales, followed by a 14-10 victory over a weak Scotland, did not make for ideal reading. But again the Boks finished on a high — this time with a record 42-6 win over the English… Div and co dodged yet another bullet.
But these inconsistencies should be seen as a major concern. And they have continued this season against the Lions.
The fact remains that a team of the Springboks’ current quality should not be squeaking by the opposition, they should be riding the crest of a wave that began to peak at the end of 2007. This should not be seen as arrogance, it is a reality of where the top sides in the world currently sit in regards to their development.
The Australians and Kiwis continue to re-build — courtesy of injuries, retirements and player movement abroad. The northern hemisphere teams are going through a rut. And the likes of Argentina, Samoa and Fiji simply do not have the financial power to compete.
Of all the top nations in rugby, South Africa is the most stable. They have a squad boasting heaps of experience, a mass of young talent, and in John Smit they have arguably the most-respected captain in world rugby. They should be building on their World Cup heroics, breaking records, winning Tri-Nations titles and clinching a whitewash over the Lions by winning a ‘dead-rubber’.
Unfortunately, they have not managed to do so. Instead they have continued to travel on a rollercoaster of results, unable to capitalise on the groundwork done before the current management team took over — and in my mind much of the fault lies with them.
They have shown time and again that tactically they are at sixes and sevens. Selections, at times, have been boggling, while we all remember those substitutions in Durban.
We managed to secure the series in Pretoria, but that comes down to the players, not the coaching staff. Experience won the day in the first two Tests, but with a first-ever whitewash on the cards, the management again fluffed their selections by choosing to experiment instead of pushing on.
I said before the final Test that De Villiers was making a mistake by ringing the changes. What he hoped to learn I will never know, but beyond the realisation that throwing players into a heated Test environment after a long period of inactivity is bad, I can’t believe that he learnt anything new.
It was arrogant to believe we could field a second-string unit against the Lions in Johannesburg, and you can be sure the selections for the third Test only served to fire up the tourists further. A number of the players picked for the final Test will not be considered ‘second-string’ by many — including me — but they certainly are for De Villiers. If they weren’t they would have played in the first two Tests…
Wynand Olivier, who was the form centre in South Africa during the Super 14, had not played a game since the Super 14 Final, while the last time Jongi Nokwe and Odwa Ndugane played a match of any real intensity was close to two months ago! They were never going to be prepared for the rigours of Test match rugby after such a long lay-off. And it showed on Saturday.
It is not just the results that worry me, but also the frustration beginning to show amongst the players. There has been plenty of niggle in this series, but the Boks’ discipline in Johannesburg was appalling, and it had me thinking back to the latter part of the Rudolf Straueli era, which is certainly not a good thing.
De Villiers is a lot like Straueli. His attitude towards the media is one of mistrust and antagonism. And we have all become accustomed to his strange rants, littered with garbled parables and biblical references. He also seems to think everybody is out to get him — a mainstay of most Springbok coaches unfortunately.
It seems to be seeping into the team morale now and that is a dangerous thing. Smit cannot hold this team together forever and they are beginning to show very real signs of cracking. I only hope that I am wrong, but I see another disappointing Tri-Nations ahead…
9 Jul 2009, 18:57 pm
#145 carol:
be still my beating heart…
9 Jul 2009, 19:00 pm
#147 SA Barbarians: Nooo….
Heheheh
9 Jul 2009, 19:01 pm
#145 carol: Gone into seclusion since their photos have been published
9 Jul 2009, 19:01 pm
#151 gunther: Thanks guys, I needed a laugh…..
Till later
9 Jul 2009, 19:02 pm
Hehe
Can think of a couple of bloggers who are going to hemorrhage on this one.
WELL DONE Jake.
Dra die pragtige prestasie op aan onse ou Skoppie….toe man!!!
9 Jul 2009, 19:02 pm
#152 carol:
9 Jul 2009, 19:03 pm
Oh and bad manners aside, evening all.
9 Jul 2009, 19:03 pm
#153 JimT: Jim, I was just going out to finnish mowing the ruddy lawns, don’t distract me!!
Do you think they are avoiding the publicity!!
9 Jul 2009, 19:05 pm
#155 Bul-a-Bhloo: hehehe dis ‘n geween en ‘n gekners van tande – noem dit ‘n “stimulus package” for passion gaps
9 Jul 2009, 19:05 pm
#155 Bul-a-Bhloo: Skop must still be at work!!
I would like to thank Jake for bringing Percy back from Wales, he will have my eternal grattitude!!
October 2007 RWC would not have been the same!!
9 Jul 2009, 19:05 pm
#94 Pietman:again, you are perpetuating lies! Hoskins never wanted to chair luke’s inquiry, that is a falsehood! Typical!
#92 Pietman:again, i thought we had an agreement, since you can’t stick to it i guess it’s on like donkey kong then! There’s no “anti-keo” slant or whatever from my side but only an anti-BULLSH!T stance!
You can’t tell me you’re not aware of the blatant anti-pdv articles on this website & in keo’s business day columns. If you choose not to see the wood for the trees don’t lambast sheriff for his even-handedness, just trying & figure out a way to cure your own myopia!
9 Jul 2009, 19:07 pm
#149 namakwaland:
ai fok@f wena namagwa.mina kandla ziko pagat lo kanda gawena.hamba bosha masiphua.wena yaaz lutho wena kuluma steleche.hoza fanjan sebenza bitchan pagat lo township.
aah mare wena sebenza pagat lo township wena uyakhala.
forkof
9 Jul 2009, 19:08 pm
Ok stuff to do, till later….and if you see GBS and Grant send them over here, I miss them!!
9 Jul 2009, 19:09 pm
#161 Transformation: Not “anti” involved.
PdV has made his own bed and he must lie in it. He should big enough to admit he needs help, fast.
Anyone who can’t see that also needs help, fast!!
9 Jul 2009, 19:10 pm
#162 Fern: Die woord sebenza sal hom laat padgee! Goeie een Fern!!
9 Jul 2009, 19:11 pm
#158 carol:
one girl went to mow…. went to mow a meadow… one girl and her dog went to mow a meadow…
9 Jul 2009, 19:12 pm
#162 Fern: WegKruipertjie?
9 Jul 2009, 19:12 pm
#164 Bul-a-Bhloo: Lie = lay
9 Jul 2009, 19:15 pm
#161 Transformation: infact pietman, the judicial officer who recused himself after Gauntlett challenged his authority to preside over the inquiry is Napo Dolamo!!! Not Oregan Hoskins! You are such a liar boet!
9 Jul 2009, 19:15 pm
#162 Fern: Voel jy beVooregt oor die geLeentheid om daai taal aan te geLeer het?
9 Jul 2009, 19:16 pm
#165 SA Barbarians: Jou Hoop oor padGee is baie baie VLAK.
9 Jul 2009, 19:18 pm
#162 Fern: Waneer het jy Daai taal aangeLeer en Hoe?
9 Jul 2009, 19:20 pm
#150 gunther:
There are repeated references to this Bok side being “favourites” and that they “should win” and are “loaded with talent” and have all this “amazing talent”. There is the presumption that there is something wrong, that it really SHOULD be much better.
How long will it take to realise perhaps that this may not be the case ?
Maybe this is just a ‘very good’ Boks side. Not a ‘great’ one. Very good sides can win too y’know.
Maybe the Boks winning the RWC fooled the fans in to thinking that they would then beat everyone, as of right ? So why were they favourites for TriN ’08, when they had already won consecutive Wooden Spoons ? Why is Jake White painted as some mythological guru when it is PdVs side who actually won in NZ ? PdV was unbeaten in UK, JWs team wasnt.
Before the Lions arrived in SA all we heard was what a poor side they were. Now after running them close, fans now say how strong they were and how weak, comparably, the 2005 Lions were despite them being full of RWChampions. Gee, that seems convenient too.
This is undoubtedly a good Boks side. Very good. But this article says the Boks “should be riding the crest of the wave” after RWC success, as if by right. But they had a favourable draw and therefore the expectations to run riot are simply not realistic. Earlier Ryan wrote an article that started ” While the Springboks should win the Tri-Nations…..” is if it is just assumed they will. Hello, why ‘should’ the Wooden Spoon team be assumed to win ? on the basis of what, exactly ?
Lets not forget that Engl won the RWC in 2003 but were then complete sh*te for the next 2-3 yrs. Were their fans still calling them ‘Great’ despite being nailed by lesser teams ?
If Boks win TriN ’09 after a Lions Series and previous RWC success then they could certainly qualify as ‘Great’. But not before then. Get a grip.
9 Jul 2009, 19:26 pm
#162 Fern: Komaan die *************(AfrikanerUitgesluit) DREIG altyd met Fisiese aanranding en dan Spog hulle oor watter Dapper Vegters hulle Was.Grootste Klomp Stront wat KAN bewys word as STRONT.Julle Hardloop as die KAK die fan slaan en Vat krediet wat Julle NIE toekom.
9 Jul 2009, 19:27 pm
#164 Bul-a-Bhloo: oh come on mr Northcliff, you can’t tell me “PdV made his own bed” when he gets slated by the likes of ryan vrede in threads titled “disgraceful de villiers” where ryan goes on to say pdv is an arrogant this & that!
The next thing someone posts the transcript of the media briefing, lo & behold it clear as daylight tha PdV was man-handling a bunch of frenzied pom journalists in defence of “super-hero down to zero in a week” schalk burger’ s honour. But no ryan vrede & jon cardinelli & them were embarrassed by pdv and they thought it was appropriate to come & mislead us as to what happened @ the media briefing…
No ways blhoo, these guys attempted a hatchet job on pdv after that second test.
9 Jul 2009, 19:28 pm
#173 BlackPanther:
thanks, got a grip now…. I thought the article was interesting not from the perspetive of some pre-ordained right to win, but rather a lowering of expectations. If it makes you any happier I don’t think we are favorites to win the tri-nations.. but maybe we should be… New Zealand are some way off their best form of rcent years and Australia are also ringing the changes with a new oaoch,we have a very settled team and should have the best chance of winning we have had for years… somehow though I don’t think it will happen.
9 Jul 2009, 19:33 pm
#175 Transformation: Peter Stands Up to this OneSided media and That takes courage.I Respect.He do Not take Sides.I Respect.The Luke Watson issue Was Shallow,he Can rectify that by Including Watson for the Tri-Nations.
9 Jul 2009, 19:35 pm
#176 gunther:
‘get a grip’ actually referred to the author of that article and Ryan earlier in the week.
Perhaps I am just referring to unreasonable expectations. This was proved last year, so why start making the same mistakes at the first opportunity ? Its deja vu all over again.
Maybe Im just suspicious. Whenever I read ‘should’ my brain says ‘wont’. I certainly hope the Boks should beat Aus and wont beat the ABs but this may be reverse psychology. Or not.
9 Jul 2009, 19:40 pm
#173 BlackPanther: hi BP, i can safely tell you that no every south african thinks the boks that won the RWC are some type of invincible team that should be lording it over australia & new zealand.
Only the deluded believe that! And with keo & most biased journalists being jake white @ss-kissers trumpeting that myth everyday of our lives in the media, more people are getting the wool pulled over their eyes!
If you ask them how come this “super team” wasn’t raking tri-nations wins before the world cup, they will give you all sort of obfuscatory stories to that don’t make sense. But this is south africa people are sometimes despondent, they need something to believe in, so we allow them the space to be delusional.
9 Jul 2009, 19:42 pm
Well done Jake! That’s quite a personal honour.
9 Jul 2009, 19:42 pm
#173 BlackPanther:
If any of these WC bandwagoners over here would have opened their idolizing infatuated eyes for a second during the past 10 years they would have noticed a far truer picture than they somehow have.
This poor idolizing rugby fraternity in this country are the most duped and deluded bunch of fools one could ever hope to come across anywhere, they still have this crazed infatuated dream boggling their skewed indoctrinated brains.
We have never been the best team in the world since 1997-98 when it was perhaps the last time we could safely wear that mantle, since then we have stumbled and fumbled across our close and not so close opposition up and down the graph of prestige like a roller coaster.
This last little heaven sent daydream where we stumbled against Connaught, Tonga and Fiji, yet managed to take care of some lack luster performances by England and Argentina gave rise to this huge infatuated zealous delusion that this team wore the crown of Kings of rugby. No such reality could be further from the truth, the very same year in the 3N we lost 3 from 4 starts and only through 2 huge fluke drop kicks by a protege talent did we avert a whitewash 4 game loss in 2007. In 2006 we were taken to the cleaners, the very same team that fluked their way to a WC dreamworld bonanza, got smacked to smithereens 2 wins from 6 starts and greatest loss account ever. Also that same year losing to France and England and Argentina alike.
So really any one of these deluded daydream delinquents that think by the mere tokenism of fluking the easiest possible WC any coach or any team could ever dream about landing in their flukety do dah laps, that this team is remotely classified as best team in the world, they only have to look at the reality that exposes that fallacious myth over the previous stretch of boggling imagination to come straight back down to mother earth truth and know categorically it is one highly fragmented falsified myth.
9 Jul 2009, 19:52 pm
#181 skopskiet: Push the skip button.
You are stuck on the same track
9 Jul 2009, 19:53 pm
The ************* can Also be seen in the Cartoon,South-Park.He Appears as Eric Cartman.
9 Jul 2009, 19:54 pm
#181 skopskiet: Are you going to congratulate Jake White for once again being a true, respected, and meritorious ambassador for SA? Thought not….. hehehehe
9 Jul 2009, 20:02 pm
#175 Transformation: Stated in a much wider context.
His own actions are compromising his position. He needs to look inwards and exert his authority and his god-given rights as coach. Maybe not worry so much about losing, which he is going to do plenty of on the current heading.
The media and warra warra as you say is sometimes unfair and biased.
9 Jul 2009, 20:07 pm
#179 Transformation:
actually the article he wa commenting on was not written by a keo journalist ….. but just keep banging that drum anyway…..
9 Jul 2009, 20:09 pm
#158 carol: Put your horses out to graze the lawns
9 Jul 2009, 20:13 pm
This is about where our illustrious St. Jake fits best, rubbing noses with the high hand elite where the high hopes of rugby reason and grand standing policy is made and abetted.
Its no wonder that no decent rugby playing nation opened their door to his immaculate coaching talent, perhaps they knew something that most eyes wide shut SA rugby supporters don’t, that St. Jake is hardly a rugby coach, more like a 1st class illusion of grandeur opportunity seeker.
Now that he’s landed his illustrious bum in the magnanimous butter once more, perhaps he can now rest his head in peace knowing all the grand standing can finally come to a self sought end.
9 Jul 2009, 20:13 pm
#186 gunther: Keo publish What is in his and jakes interest.
9 Jul 2009, 20:17 pm
I Thought there Was hope for Jake at the Lions but he Placed himSelf in a Position where he CanNot Fail even IF the Lions Fail.
9 Jul 2009, 20:19 pm
Jake have No responsibilty but ALL to Gain because he will Not be blamed.Bussiness man.
9 Jul 2009, 20:21 pm
well done Jake…..i have made no attempt to hide my differences i have with Jake in terms of fetchers,etc…..but cool for a saffa to be there in that forum protecting our interests…..
Just hope WP dont leave me deflated the weekend…got 5 Grand Stand tickets….R50 each…..beats the hell out of R1140 a ticket!
9 Jul 2009, 20:23 pm
carol….hi….been hectic with daughter down….she flys back on Sunday then life a bit more normal…..she has me up and about …..
9 Jul 2009, 20:24 pm
#190 namakwaland: #191 namakwaland:
One slippery eel customer that one, the greatest illusion of grandeur opportunist this country has possibly ever seen, must hand it to him, a master of deception is our illustrious St. Jake, knows how to duck and dive like no other bullsh’t artist can.
9 Jul 2009, 20:24 pm
Brussow vs MC Caw and Smith in tri nations…..what a prospect!!
9 Jul 2009, 20:25 pm
#192 grant10:
You selling those tickets or just bragging about them Grant?
I reckon WP do the business with Sharks floundering with a green horn FH.
9 Jul 2009, 20:26 pm
i wonder with Steggmann injured if PDV may not call on Luke as a reserve open sider for Bok squad duty!
9 Jul 2009, 20:27 pm
#173 BlackPanther: as much as I’d find it hard to acknowledge to ‘the enemy’, this thought/logic often goes through my mind. I don’t buy this RWC Champions = best in the world ‘birthright’. So I agree. Some great players. Some great performances. Conversely, some average players and some k#k performances. Both pre and post Oct 07.
9 Jul 2009, 20:27 pm
#192 grant10: Watse Kak praat jy? Daai een is van die queen soos Jy.
9 Jul 2009, 20:28 pm
#196 skopskiet: hi skop….
Going with Justrugby , his daughter and wife and my daughter….
My daughter Adrienne let me down a bit today….coming from Knysna i assumed she would be a WP supporter…..no chance….she loves the damn Sharks!!!
9 Jul 2009, 20:29 pm
Naand vrinne (letwel ek groet nie die moepels en mopkoppe nie)
Mmmm ou Jake word hoog aangeskryf deur die IRB…. dis reg so Jake, gaan wees vir SA ‘n waardige ambassadeer daar….
Goooooooooooooi Mieliesssssssssssss
9 Jul 2009, 20:30 pm
#196 skopskiet: PS….Got a suspicion we may put one over the Sharks….lets hope our pack gets parity and we can test that new 10 !!
9 Jul 2009, 20:31 pm
#197 grant10: Stegmann wil be back to full fitness next week already…. they just did’nt want to risk him this week, making sure he’s 110% !!
9 Jul 2009, 20:32 pm
#200 grant10: Well thats what you get for being such a magnanimous and tolerant dad, you should have put your foot down a long time ago.
9 Jul 2009, 20:32 pm
#200 grant10: damn i loves ya daughter now hehehe she one smart gal
she knows class when she sees it
9 Jul 2009, 20:32 pm
#199 namakwaland: huh???? Jy verloor my nou??
PS …i have no Queen boet…..closest i have to a Queen is a *** friend of mine….
9 Jul 2009, 20:33 pm
#205 sharks_lover: Mmmmm, your daughters AND wife are Bulls supporters……. they are even smarter !
9 Jul 2009, 20:33 pm
#198 TASSIES: hi boet!!
9 Jul 2009, 20:34 pm
#203 grootblousmile: how you my man??
Great news that….rate that Steggmann very highly!
9 Jul 2009, 20:34 pm
#206 grant10: Under Pressure.Song of the Real Queen.Do No?
9 Jul 2009, 20:36 pm
#209 grant10: I’m fine… like always……. just working my mielie very “krom”…
…….. fark what credit crunch, what world recession??
9 Jul 2009, 20:36 pm
#198 TASSIES:
Yip about sums it up, sorry I missed you last weekend, anyway I guess you and Grant had enough to console each other over after 40 minutes of that ****, didn’t need another shoulder to cry on after that dismal nonevent.
9 Jul 2009, 20:36 pm
#210 namakwaland: The Terror of Knowing WHAT this world Is about.Never Heard?
9 Jul 2009, 20:38 pm
#206 grant10: Brittany Spears might be the Other queen you Know.
9 Jul 2009, 20:38 pm
#204 skopskiet: yeah….bloody Sienna suppors the Bulls….current blonde digs Kockott!!! No control of my women i tell you!!!
9 Jul 2009, 20:40 pm
#175 Transformation: I am not a PdV fan. I simply cannot be for reasons previously posted here. He’s just doing his job and making the usual stuff-ups along the way. However I do believe some in the media have an agenda. Particularly this lot. This stuff(so-called journalism they put their name to) is a poor attempt at PR to an obvious benefactor in the form of our previous world cup winning coach. Jake is Jake and I bear no ill. Wish him well. But Jake is in self-promotion cycle(he’s a business man as someone opined) and these journalists are his benefactors and visa versa. Its so friggin transparent one wants to throw up all over one’s mouse at the poor attempt at disguise.
9 Jul 2009, 20:40 pm
#215 grant10: Sienna deserved her fridge !!
9 Jul 2009, 20:40 pm
#205 sharks_lover: LOL….my son now getting 75% of my estate!!
9 Jul 2009, 20:41 pm
#210 namakwaland: great song that!! With the recession been my bloody theme song boet!
9 Jul 2009, 20:42 pm
#217 grootblousmile: Classic….i spilt my tea boet!! LOL
9 Jul 2009, 20:43 pm
#215 grant10:
Much too much leniency in your approach, time to start wielding the whip hand.
Luke just might show some these importers like Kanko, Deysel, Daniel and Botes who’s boss about the loose Saturday, then who knows, PdV might have to call him up, doubt it some how, little too much bad blood gone under the bridge.
9 Jul 2009, 20:43 pm
#197 grant10: Some Sense.Vannie Draad afgeVal?
9 Jul 2009, 20:44 pm
#211 grootblousmile: great for you boet….we seeing a slow turnaround,,,,,finally!
9 Jul 2009, 20:44 pm
Booties & All is on… regurgetating the Lions Tour.
9 Jul 2009, 20:44 pm
#207 grootblousmile: hehehehe hiyas broer , hoe lyk dinge??
en hel nee daar is nie n manier nie
die vrouens van my is miskien nog erger as ek oor die sharks
9 Jul 2009, 20:45 pm
#218 grant10: lol bro
you should know by now all girls are daddies girls
your heart will melt for her and she will win the argument
hehehe
9 Jul 2009, 20:47 pm
#221 skopskiet: en toe jy wakker word is jou koffie koud …..
9 Jul 2009, 20:47 pm
#225 sharks_lover: Dinge lyk goed…
Eishhhhhhhh, lokking forward to the CC… just a pity it’s a bit watered down…
9 Jul 2009, 20:48 pm
#221 skopskiet: For somebody So good he is being Kept away beCause of NON rugby related Issues.Not because of his RUGBY.
9 Jul 2009, 20:49 pm
#228 grootblousmile: yup is a pity
should be a good season
teams that are smiling that have very few boks out is wp , FS and lions
9 Jul 2009, 20:49 pm
#224 grootblousmile: Hoop hulle besef die Sharks is Nie S14 kampioene NIE.
9 Jul 2009, 20:51 pm
#185 Bul-a-Bhloo: evening B-A-B. Yes I would agree with you on this one. Though it seems like we have another ‘normal’ Bok coach in the hot seat. Who picks these charlies?
9 Jul 2009, 20:52 pm
its been such a dark time for WP and Stormer rugby…..once again i will set out to Newlands SAt with hope in my heart….damn i hope come 19 h00 i am not dik the moer in and dissapointed….again!
9 Jul 2009, 20:52 pm
#208 grant10: good day mate. Enjoy the sunset while you can and batten down the windows before you go dodoo. We’re in for a mother.
9 Jul 2009, 20:54 pm
#229 namakwaland: Thats the way the cookie crumbles in this land of cloak and dagger opportunity its never really about who’s best most times, far too much politicking wherever we turn our brainwashed heads.
9 Jul 2009, 20:55 pm
#201 grootblousmile: hullo GB. Baie werk seun? Dank iemand vir die plesier. Baie besige day vir my ook. Die soetes smaak lekkerder.
9 Jul 2009, 20:55 pm
#234 TASSIES: ag hell no man….been on the beach and a great bloody sunset….seems whenever a big game at newlands the weather turns bad…..whats the prognosis for Sat boet?
9 Jul 2009, 20:56 pm
This invitation-only IRB “Rugby Committee” presumably pays money to fly its members business-class from all over the world, putting them up in 5 star hotels etc just to sit around in a committee room reminiscing about their long-ago glory days?
After all, it’s not a real working committee, making and implementing real decisions affecting real rugby in the real, modern world.
It’s a perfect example of how the IRB wastes money on self-indulgent antics.
One big fat gravy-train, the IRB.
9 Jul 2009, 20:57 pm
Sharks Lover whats the latest with the Argie??
9 Jul 2009, 20:59 pm
#233 grant10: WP Lost allready? or is it just your Nature speaking?
9 Jul 2009, 20:59 pm
#233 grant10: might give you a call tom. Booked your seats yet?
9 Jul 2009, 21:01 pm
#239 grant10: Got no idea mate,
so many stories doing the rounds , it’s best to wait and see
As for saturday I be scared to be honest , center worries me and hooker position , although burden and skipper have bneen around a long time their general lineout throwing has never been good
As i told you earlier, Flyhalf is a new kid and if he is aloud to run WP might have big problems , but again his inexperience at this level could be a factor
9 Jul 2009, 21:03 pm
#241 TASSIES: i ahave boet….collected this morning….available at computicket….call me…we have a beer if you goiung through?
9 Jul 2009, 21:03 pm
#237 grant10: I’d like to say I’m confident….but….I’d have felt a lot more so if Vermeulen was definitely playing. I read he’s injured. As we saw againt the BIL the other evening, he is one hell of a player. Jack’s a great player but rusty. Van Zyl was a good investment. Watson leads well and by example. Frikkie????? if he can behave himself. January? So we’ll see. Should be interesting.
9 Jul 2009, 21:04 pm
#236 TASSIES: Yeah, I’ve poured myself a stiff glass of Jerepico as well…
…. fark, I’m tired tonight, have’nt slept well all week… too many business matters on the mind, battling to settle down at night…
9 Jul 2009, 21:04 pm
#242 sharks_lover: pity…i was hoping to see the Argie sat….what a great player!
9 Jul 2009, 21:04 pm
#243 grant10: do you have the seat numbers to hand? Post them on here. I’ll see if I can get close.
9 Jul 2009, 21:06 pm
#240 namakwaland: what you know about my nature boet?
9 Jul 2009, 21:07 pm
#238 TheTackler: sounds like something you’d be good at tackles. Shades of jealousy perhaps? mmmmmm
9 Jul 2009, 21:07 pm
#235 skopskiet: It was Never about the Best for them.Their Bar Was set Very LOW .
9 Jul 2009, 21:08 pm
#246 grant10: sure is grant , he might have been to durban like puma said , just prolly trying to settle and agree to everything i guess
but according to french press its a done deal
so what and who to believe ?
he is a very good matrure experienced player , just what a lot of the sharks youngsters need
9 Jul 2009, 21:08 pm
#248 grant10: That you Lose games beFore it Starts.No?
9 Jul 2009, 21:09 pm
#245 grootblousmile: i have a lekker Sherry going here as well!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:12 pm
#247 TASSIES: GRANDSTAND LEVEL 3….BLOCK F…..T208 TO T212
9 Jul 2009, 21:12 pm
#245 grootblousmile: Ja. And what’s going on. It’s as if SA has suddenly woken up. Nought to 100 in 4 secs. Like **** man, can’t they let the clutch out slowly so an oak can at least have a little looooosener first and the odd stretch.
9 Jul 2009, 21:12 pm
Very happy that Jake at least gets the recognition he deserves from those in the know at the upper echelons of world rugby, if not from those that run the game in his own country! Comparing him to Pdv is a joke, there is no other rugby board in the world that would take on Snor.
9 Jul 2009, 21:15 pm
#252 namakwaland: Mr Namakwaland….i believe we will win Sat boet…..however i have been more than a bit dissapointed with WP over the last bloody decade …or 2 !!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:15 pm
#255 TASSIES: I’ll be honest, I’ve been spinning wheels in the working environment the whole year, no let up… there’s not been a day where I’ve felt the supposed crunch.
I should have been twins, then maybe I would get through a day’s work…
Ek vat nie grond nie… en gelukkig gesels die tille soos hulle rol !!
9 Jul 2009, 21:16 pm
#255 TASSIES: careful you dont pull a hammie!! LOL
9 Jul 2009, 21:16 pm
Ya well thats how it goes I suppose, always some faction or other grinding out axes, this way and that way, everybody with some axe or other to grind out.
I guess everybody tries somehow, the way they know best to do whats right, can’t always please everybody all the time, sometimes life just turns out the way it does, in spite of some good intentions, certainly no way of pleasing them all, if we really knew how to bring about hope and integrity and true intentions, I guess we would.
9 Jul 2009, 21:24 pm
#260 skopskiet: true and wise words….key is to never stop trying….never ever stop trying!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:25 pm
Are you going Sat Skop??
9 Jul 2009, 21:26 pm
#258 grootblousmile: you’re in the right industry boeta. When the PC wont play, its like a hand to the windpipe, while the other reaches for the phone and your till starts to ring. You’ve just become an ‘emergency service’. Dr GBS has a nice ring to it.
9 Jul 2009, 21:27 pm
#259 grant10: We got busy all of a sardine. Very busy. Good stuff.
9 Jul 2009, 21:28 pm
Transformation where you boet??
9 Jul 2009, 21:29 pm
#264 TASSIES: thats really cool to hear…..the green shoots spreading there tentacles slowly but surely…hallelujah!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:30 pm
sherry straight to the head….
9 Jul 2009, 21:31 pm
Ek gaan nou horisontaal verkeer……… en ‘n matras hard bliksem…
Groente van deur tot deur !
Tjorts
Hou die blink kant bo…
Die lewe is ‘n Lied, sing hom uit volle bors !
9 Jul 2009, 21:34 pm
Shaun in the house..
Jake gets on a IRB committee??…welldone Jake!!! Huge honour!! He must thank teh senior players for taking matters into the own hands at the RWC…when he and Eddie said ” Oh fok…wat nou??”… His brilliant plan to throw games in the Tri-Nations of that year must rank high up on the list of low down things to do to get ahead in life.. His ability to hide his prejudice from the world media must rank high with teh IRB.. Lets face Jake can teach the IRB a lot about how to BS
9 Jul 2009, 21:34 pm
well why don’t we bring out the throne and couple of bananas and make him king of the ****** world.
you could do that, and I would still hate him
9 Jul 2009, 21:34 pm
#268 grootblousmile: slaap goed boet!
9 Jul 2009, 21:35 pm
#269 Langenhoven: #270 SpringbokSarah: well good evening you 2 ray of sunshines!! Lol….wassup??
9 Jul 2009, 21:36 pm
#270 SpringbokSarah: heck you could stick him in a WP jersey and name him Newlands and I wouldn’t even like him then
9 Jul 2009, 21:37 pm
#256 Thameside Bok fan: Howzit. I know you’re a fan. But I don’t think Jake was a great coach. A good one maybe but not great. However, he was a good manager. Selected the right people to get the job done. Jones was a masterstroke, in the nik of time I believe. Choice of captain and his timing thereof. As was Os and Monty when he pulled these guys back from oblivion. There are other examples. But great coach he was not. Mallett, Kitch and probably Mac were great Bok coaches. They actually coached and the rugby was often a brilliant spectacle. Jake’s rugby was dour. I actually disliked watching his teams play. Then along came Mr Jones and, viola, the backline started to look cohesive and then we won the RWC against a piss-poor England. So in summary, I disagree.
9 Jul 2009, 21:38 pm
#272 grant10: I heard electricity went up
and I’m probably high on medication. Do you know how to pop an ear?
9 Jul 2009, 21:38 pm
#268 grootblousmile: naand GB. lekker zzzzz’s
9 Jul 2009, 21:40 pm
#275 SpringbokSarah: LOL….Sorry to hear you sick!!! I take it you will bew at Newlands Sat?,, Sorry….no idea re the ear!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:42 pm
#272 grant10: I am working to hard mate.. trying to clear the in-tray for my holiday… Client is having a fit about me going on holiday for two and half weeks…My boss is also preparing for a month of no fees..
9 Jul 2009, 21:43 pm
As usual a clown spoils a good few hours of reading….
Bye
9 Jul 2009, 21:44 pm
#278 Langenhoven: indispensable has its drawbacks it seems!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:44 pm
#260 skopskiet: one mans meat is another man’s poison. Isn’t that how life is Skop?
9 Jul 2009, 21:45 pm
Samoa, England, Tonga, USA
Fiji
Argentina
England
= World Cup Opponents
New Zealand
New Zealand
Australia
Australia
Australia
New Zealand
= Tri Nations Opponents
Sounds logical that if u beat the opponents in the world cup group, you should be able to walk the opponents in the tri nations group right? logic schmogick right?
9 Jul 2009, 21:45 pm
#277 grant10: hey I’m actually mostly better. Yup, wouldn’t miss it even if I was in hospital. Heard it’s gonna be raining, what a downer… damn only I can get swimmer’s ear and not have been swimming
9 Jul 2009, 21:45 pm
Logging off at 9/10…watching Mock of the Week on BBC… can’t imagine them having a programme like that in SA.
9 Jul 2009, 21:46 pm
#279 Bul-a-Bhloo: before you go… do you know how to pop an ear??? please!!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:46 pm
#280 grant10: maybe see you sat bud. Cheers. Book bekons.
9 Jul 2009, 21:47 pm
#270 SpringbokSarah: lol, funny
9 Jul 2009, 21:47 pm
#284 Langenhoven: cheers…beer in the best city in the world soon!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:48 pm
#286 TASSIES: that will be great….
9 Jul 2009, 21:49 pm
#285 SpringbokSarah: hold your nose and blow, sweetness. nite.
9 Jul 2009, 21:49 pm
okay i am out too…bloody sherry got me all tired now….hate booze!!!
Outta here
9 Jul 2009, 21:53 pm
#280 grant10: They can either swim without me and build some character… or they can load up teh in-tray until I get back…LOL
If South Africa can do without me …then so can they..lol. I see the Cape Town Station redevelopment.. is still on hold… SA has a novel way of dealing with scarcity..get rid of the demand… or ignore necessity
9 Jul 2009, 21:53 pm
#265 grant10: i’m good grant10 hope you’re well too…was just off for a while, a friend of mine’s in town so it’s drinks & catching up…will holla @ the window later…
9 Jul 2009, 21:53 pm
#290 TASSIES: it worked, thanks!
9 Jul 2009, 21:54 pm
#288 grant10: There better be some decent pints!!
9 Jul 2009, 21:54 pm
#269 Langenhoven: Hi Langes.The IRB is honoring One of their Own.A good old ScoolBoy.
9 Jul 2009, 21:55 pm
#285 SpringbokSarah: As jy Hard POEP gaan jou Ore outomaties Oop.Sluk daai Wind.
9 Jul 2009, 22:02 pm
#297 namakwaland: lol, I’m good but I’ll keep that in mind next time
9 Jul 2009, 22:04 pm
#296 namakwaland: Ons weet mos hoe werk die storie… lol
9 Jul 2009, 22:04 pm
Cheers all til later maybe
9 Jul 2009, 22:05 pm
I’m either missing Desperate Housewives or CSI so I’m off
Night!
Prooooooooooooooovince!!!!
9 Jul 2009, 22:06 pm
#298 SpringbokSarah: How did you Balance? What approach did you Use?
9 Jul 2009, 22:20 pm
#195 grant10:
Yep, the most Im looking fwd to too. Brussow looks like a little gem and I like his feisty ‘tude. NZ has had an advan in the looseball over SA but Brussow will challenge that immediately.
FdP vs Leonard is also the other contest of nb. Fingers crossed Leonard doesnt break down again.
and a couple of Master vs Apprentice matchups:-
Beast vs Woodcock.
Ross vs Victor
bring it on !
9 Jul 2009, 22:45 pm
#303 WakaNathan: Ross is weak and so is Beast so really a no contest
9 Jul 2009, 23:20 pm
#303 WakaNathan: hey waka…is donald just getting bad press in nz or do people over there think he’s “really” average?
10 Jul 2009, 00:16 am
#274 TASSIES: England weren’t piss poor, beat Australia in the heat and France in their own backyard in Paris. Most of the 2003 World Cup winning team was present in that side so the quality ran deep. Unfortunately the replacement bench wasn’t quite up to it when Robinson, Catt and Vickery went off.
10 Jul 2009, 00:20 am
#304 JL1:
Maybe youre right. Maybe not. But both are early in their careers for a tight-fwd so the jury can continue to survey the evidence with interest. Ross could mature nicely, as could Beast.
#305 Transformation:
He’s not average. He’s woeful. Even the Boks have a chance against Donald Duck. Id rather chance my arm with McAlister and hope he comes right after some time in the pocket. Id rather have S.Brett there than the Duck too despite both of them being fallible.
If ever the ABs start a Test match with Ellis @ 9 and the Duck @ 10 then you will know, officially, that resources have hit rock bottom. Fortunately HB stocks have been replenished with return of Leonard but that dithering little twerp Ellis is always lingering in the red’n'black shadows waiting for his chance to fool the blind mice in to granting him another cap.
10 Jul 2009, 00:31 am
#306 Big Hit:
France were spent, as usual, after climbing Mt All Black. Every victory by les Tricolors over the Blacks has always lead immediately to a large void of energy and nothing is surer than their capitulation.
It was indeed a piss-poor Engl squad, dutifully exposed by the Boks in Round 1 where they were lucky to score nil. But as with France facing NZ, Engl can always get up for Australia and they took on a Wallaby side who were unhappy with coach Connolly, had been beset by player power at Brumbies & Waratahs which had leaked in to the national team, and had quite possibly the worst front-row known in years.
What Engl lacked that day in sheer talent and imagination they made up for in bulldog spirit and played 10-man rugby and ensured it was Aus who made the mistakes. The Aussies werent good enough to expose their lack of class, the Boks were. End of.
10 Jul 2009, 01:07 am
#307 WakaNathan: ha ha ha, funny guy…i read a little bit on some your kiwi website, they slated him big time & i thought maybe it was like a media thing, cos you know how our own “journos” can have it in for an individual, this website being a case in point…but if you also feel like that, okay then…
As for leornard, he’ll take on solid tackle and he’ll crumble and you’re back to ellis. mcallster looked decent in the 2nd test against the french but i think his time in england blunted his creative edge, we’ll see…
10 Jul 2009, 01:35 am
#77 Sheriff: Actually it wwas a clause in Jake Whites contract that if he performed, he would be automatically re- appointed. Or that he would be automatically recondsiodered. This wa conveniently overlooked by a rabid Presidents Coucil determined to get rid of a free thinking coach who was able to play political animal as well as they could, and who would not toe their line (by for example publicising threats by Cheeky Watson, to get his sone chosen, making public Hoskins decision to interere with selections, etc). As far as I am concerned, Jake did nothing in his career that he would not make public, and was as transparent as they come. It was this particular feature that SARU could not stand, as they do thinsg the underhanded, political way.
SARU had done absolutely everything they could to disrupt his plans and performances before (calling him back for a meeting halfway through the end of year tours, interfering in team selections, threatening him with is job all the time, etc) and were still trying the day before the RWC final. It was pretty obvious to Jake that he was not really an option for reappointment anyway and that is why he did not fight too hard for it, knowing how they work. But DONT feed me the bullsh!t technical point that it was “because he did not apply”. If you want to argue technicalities, HE DID NOT HAVE TO.
It was not Jake walking away from SA rugby. It was SA rugby being the typical viper that it is and biting itself in the ***.
And after the man has left and cannot defend himself, then the hearsay **** comes out, and rabid ranting from Skoppie (who clearly has something personal against White which has nothing to do with rugby) to defame Whites character. I also belioeve that teh fulls tory has not come out from th eLiosn- and when it will, it will justify their actions.
10 Jul 2009, 01:51 am
#310 SjamBok:
Reading your post made me aware once more how easy PdeV’s ‘coaching’ life is compared to Jake’s.
We should always bear that in mind when comparing the two of them, completely different playing fields.
10 Jul 2009, 02:00 am
#311 Pietman: Talking to a guy yesterday that tried to tell me P Divvie has more pressure on him than JW ever had…can only shake your head!
10 Jul 2009, 02:05 am
#308 WakaNathan: such nonsense.
France haven’t beaten us in the 6N since 2006, it had nothing to do with NZ who couldn’t even beat them in Cardiff whereas we beat them in Paris.
It wasn’t 10 man rugby against Australia either, Catt was sending it out at every given opportunity. Conditions were favourable towards Australia too in the extreme heat but Jonny seen us through as usual.
The problem with looking at the 36-0 is that there were 5 important personnel changes to the team and 2 positional so in effect the whole team was re-vamped after that wake up call and importantly Wilkinson returned which gave us an actual flyhalf.
By the QF the England team was full of World Cup winners and Lions, as I said the quality ran deep, no lack of class whatsoever unlike NZ who were so reliant upon their backs they had no plan B other than to pick and drive to oblivion.
Bottom line is, NZ were too poor to beat France and make it past the QFs, live in your dream world if you wish but it’s 22 years now, some time you’re going to have to wake up to the fact your guys aren’t what they’re built up to be in that backwater in the pacific.
10 Jul 2009, 02:25 am
#313 Big Hit: BH, this argument goes hand in hand with the one where the Boks won the WC by default…seeing we never played any of the ‘real’ contenders. You know, like it is somehow our fault they did not make it past the 1/4 finals.
I gave up long ago trying to talk sense into people with that viewpoint, they are obviously more interested in excuses than fact.
10 Jul 2009, 02:25 am
#313 Big Hit: shame its the international press that usually builds them up that way though huh ?
dont you realise Big Hit, you guys and France is like NZ playing Aussie or SA… they play each other every year, so obviously it is a lot easier for these teams to beat each other… its called “familiarity”…
perhaps the reason the French won, cause normally they dont turn up at all, so we were in fact unfamiliar with a committed French side…
but lets shape the argument to suit you too Big Hit… why does no one condemn Scotland, they played a weakened team against us, not ideal prep for us, and not in no way in the spirit of the game…where are the howls of protest at their blatant disregard for the tournament ??
but then, the NH have not had the true rugby spirit for a while now have they ?
as evidenced by the procession of weakened touring sides… one must question this principle, especially when it allows Aussie to score 76 unanswered points against Eng…remember ?
but no, we have nations that couldnt give a flying fark about rugby for four years, except for a one month period… then these same nations live off of the glory of this tourny, when the label of World Champions doesnt seem to fit at all..
shame that this is one of the things that soooo many supporters like yourself find acceptable… its called selling your soul, and rugby in the NH has done this for years now… Look at Wales, their clubs are not going to release players, what a travesty…
R.I.P rugby, you were once a game of honour, of comraderie between nations… but many of those nations have indeed turned their backs on what made rugby so great..
10 Jul 2009, 02:36 am
#315 poppa69: More Poppa, hoe gaan dit vandag?
10 Jul 2009, 02:51 am
#314 Koos: yeah it’s based on their own perception of what ‘should have happened’, but the results went the way they did for a reason.
#315 poppa69: I don’t find it acceptable poppa, there’s an imbalance between club and test rugby up here and it needs to be sorted. The clubs play too many games and have too much control. Hopefully things will change.
I don’t really like having a go at NZ rugby so much anymore because I actually like most of the NZ based posters but wakanathan is annoying at times and if he’s going to throw mud he can expect it back.
10 Jul 2009, 02:52 am
#317 Big Hit: that’s me out, nite all.
10 Jul 2009, 02:59 am
#316 Koos: More Koos… not sure what you have asked me, but I am at work… hope you are good..
#317 Big Hit: I understand mate, we all have different people who push our buttons the wrong way, invoking reaction… I know Im guilty.. nite mate.
10 Jul 2009, 03:02 am
#316 Koos: It goes well today.. no rugby this weekend though, so a little annoyed.. lol
10 Jul 2009, 03:07 am
#319 poppa69: Hehe just say…vat so katvis…good enough response to most questions!
Just asked how you are today. Also at work but at least it is Friday, no complaining this side. Heating up a little and looks like a perfect weekend ahead. Still not sure what I am going to do Saturday night…
I do have a Saffa braai on Sunday, apparently they had one in the first part of the year which attracted 450 people!!!
10 Jul 2009, 03:16 am
#321 Koos: lol, I actually found out what you asked me..
you asked me “how goes it today”. Me neither, not complaining at all… I have a prize giving for my cricket side this weekend, played our worst game in the final unfortunately…
Thats a decent braai, 450 people, sounds like it should be a festive day for you… I wish to try biltong and boerwors (sp?)… dried meat and sausage I believe?
10 Jul 2009, 03:27 am
#322 poppa69: That will be the direct translation yes.
Hehe assume you lost the final then?
Decent enough, I hardly know any of the people though but I am sure to find someone to chat too. If you can stand the thought of eating raw meat then you will love biltong. Trying to explain to the locals what it is they usually baulk at the idea of eating ‘raw meat’. Of course it is a long way from that and I have convinced a number of Aussies to try it and without fail they liked it. One of my friends got into it and use to bring me biltong when he went shopping!
For some reason the people don’t like the sight of boerewors but again most that tried it, liked it. Ten times better than any of the **** pink stuff they sell as sausages over here anyway..
There are a number of SA shops in Sydney, should not be to hard to find some if you looking for it. Whilst you at it, buy a bottle of Mrs Balls chutney too, great with the boerewors…
10 Jul 2009, 03:34 am
#323 Koos: yep… we lost I think 2 games all season, then got rolled for 80 in the final… not impressed I must say lol
ok, probably a long way off, but is it based on the same principle as prosciutto? because then I am sure I would love it.. I am half croat, so salami’s and meats like that I love.
Will have to keep my eyes out for the shops…
and the best thing to wash it all down, beer perhaps ?
10 Jul 2009, 03:48 am
#324 poppa69: Sort of except you generally use beef only and the process is much quicker. Can also use game and in SA you also get ostrich biltong!
Basically a good piece of meat cut into strips (thickish) and cured in vinegar, spiced with mainly coriander and salt. Lost of variation including making it spicy with chili etc. Curing anything from a few hours to a day or so, depending on what you use. Hanged on hooks till it is dry, again the drying time varies and depending on the thickness and how wet/dry you want it, can be ready in a couple of days.
Suggest if you find some ask for a piece that is not to dry, if it has a nice piece of fat on the side, that will make it perfect. Ask them to cut it for you as well…
Boerewors looks like the Italian sausages you get at Woolies (same red colour) but tastes mcuh better, they sell it in a number of Woolies (Springbok Foods label), just have to look for it. If you do find some and want to try it, go for the plain one first, the others are not always nice…
10 Jul 2009, 03:49 am
#324 poppa69: Oh yes, not sure which one came first but beer and biltong is made for one another!
10 Jul 2009, 04:11 am
#325 Koos: ostrich ? interesting… I have tried kangaroo, not really a fan…
I will definitely have to find me some now… and will keep an eye out for the Boerwors, know the italian style sausage so have a fair idea what to look for.
and thanks, appreciate the lesson and the tips
10 Jul 2009, 04:21 am
#326 Koos: die ware smaak van suid-afrika huh?
10 Jul 2009, 04:26 am
#327 poppa69: Not a problem, anytime.
I made my own biltong last year but have not gotten around to it this year…better get going before it gets hotter again!
10 Jul 2009, 04:30 am
#328 poppa69: Netso!
10 Jul 2009, 04:34 am
#328 poppa69:
Jy praat Afrikaans!
10 Jul 2009, 04:38 am
#331 Pietman: Vlot! Few more days and he will go and buy a green Bok jumper…
10 Jul 2009, 04:43 am
#331 Pietman: #332 Koos: ek hettel dinge op hier en daar. nie seker Ek sal kry die groen jersey alhoewel hehe
10 Jul 2009, 04:46 am
#333 poppa69: Hehe I did say a few more days…
10 Jul 2009, 04:47 am
#333 poppa69:
Good on you cuz, I understood that perfectly!
Well, I’d never….Poppa speaks Afrikaans, bliksem, dis nou n surprise, ek se…
10 Jul 2009, 04:50 am
#335 Pietman: #334 Koos: lol … nie seker op my uitspraak bru still a novice by any stretch of the imagination…
10 Jul 2009, 05:00 am
#336 poppa69: Can’t be worse than P Divvie…
10 Jul 2009, 05:00 am
Right, going to find some food…
10 Jul 2009, 05:03 am
I remember a Bok .v. Aussie game , think it was in Brisbane , some Bok supporters had a banner , `AUSSIE GIRLS LOVE BOEREWORS`
10 Jul 2009, 05:08 am
#337 Koos: #336 poppa69:
Right.
Poppas pronunciation is way better than PdeV’s, for sure.
#339 bobbok:
That must be fresh boerewors then….’so vars hy hang nog aan die boer’!
10 Jul 2009, 05:10 am
#338 Koos: lol, my voice is a little deeper too lmao enjoy your lunch
10 Jul 2009, 05:22 am
Hello folks
10 Jul 2009, 05:25 am
#342 CoachPete: Howzit Coach, long time no chat!
10 Jul 2009, 05:25 am
#340 Pietman: My broer en sy vrou was ‘n paar jaar gelede by ‘n braai: die gasheer vra toe vir die gaste – hoe hou julle van julle wors ? Die een vrou antwoord toe ook: “lekker vars, verkieslik nog aan die boer”! ‘n paar van die “koekerige dames” het behoorlik aan hulle drankies gestik!! (Pietman, Jy moet maar die vertaalwerk doen vir Poppa).
10 Jul 2009, 05:30 am
Yeah Hi Koos Howzit Just gave keo a bit of a break.
Hope you are well
Yes nothing like a hot stuk boerewors on a fresh french roll with with the butter melting into the bread.
10 Jul 2009, 05:31 am
Koos Your favourties for the Tri nations?
Piet, I see Skoppie still hates Jake?
10 Jul 2009, 05:32 am
#310 SjamBok: Back to the rugby: I spoke to Gert Smal during January 2008: I told him that it was perhaps the right time to appoint a person of colour, but to ensure some continuity, why not ask Jake to stay on for a year or two to make a smooth transition. His reply was that SA Rugby wanted nothing to do with the World Cup winning coaching squad!
10 Jul 2009, 05:41 am
#346 CoachPete: I guess the Wobblies Coach but we will have a much better idea after next Saturday. Their defence is rock solid albeit the rest of their game is not something to write home about.
ABs looked poor but means nothing, McCaw is back and it will be a idfferent team.
And the Boks, heck, who knows? All I can say, if they don’t bring their A game to the table it will be yet another wooden spoon.
10 Jul 2009, 05:48 am
#348 Koos:
If I had to make a prediction I would agree with you.
Oz seems to have the edge,
ABs with Richie are a different team plus this is the Tri nations
Boks could win it, but not if they play like they did against the Lions.
10 Jul 2009, 05:51 am
You have to laugh at South Africa. Fire the world cup winning coach, he gets awards…No wonder we are kak at rugby. We should be number 1 all the time not just at world cup.
10 Jul 2009, 05:55 am
#349 CoachPete: Deans is a super coach, you just have to listen to him talk to know that. They are far from the finished product but I will put money on the Wallabies for 2011 now, whilst the odds are still good!
10 Jul 2009, 05:58 am
#351 Koos:
yes he is a good coach. Boks should have hired him.
Plus when he talks he makes sense.
Too early for 2011
If boks end up last in this tri nations, Pdv is gone baby gone.
10 Jul 2009, 06:01 am
Dont think Australias defence has been thoroughly tested yet.. France were tired after a long season and two physical games against the ABs… Deans has them playing well, but it is a step up again.
My concern with the ABs is all these players coming back, they havent had any game time for a while… so not sure how cohesive the team will be… no decent no. 10 is the big sticking point though.. McAllister is definitely underdone coming back from injury…. will still back my team regardless..
SA.. well, you guys have a decent nucleus, plus the Lions series so should actually stand you in good stead.. can your coach select the right team, that is the million dollar question…
10 Jul 2009, 06:08 am
#352 CoachPete: Unfortunately he will not be fired Coach, we stuck with him!
#353 poppa69: Yes, like I said, the Wobblies is not the finished product yet but the youngsters are looking good. They are in the lucky position that unlike SA and NZ, if they lose the odd game, nobody worries too much.
Pick right team and get the sub bench right…I am not sure!
10 Jul 2009, 06:09 am
#353 poppa69:
Hi Poppa Yes what you are saying its going to be close this year.
Abs will be much better than against France.
True about Oz, Frogs were done.
Boks, well same intensity and similar team as 1st half of 1st test against Lions and we could win it all
10 Jul 2009, 06:13 am
LOL…
http://www.news24.com/Content/MyNews24/YourStory/1162/265f0d81feeb4785b9f2b83a9cee159c/09-07-2009%2008-07/Considering_the_statistics
10 Jul 2009, 06:17 am
#355 CoachPete: Hi Coach, and agree… PDV surely has to start with the team that for the first half of that first test thoroughly put the lions to the sword… also think 3 home games first tips the scales slightly in your favour… though last year proved how hard it was for anyone to win 3 in a row….
yep Aussie, while looking quite polished, still dont have the depth of either NZ or SA, and think this could be their downfall… Giteau or Barnes get injured and they lose a lot… not the same luxury for Deans as he had at canterbury with playing personnel..
#354 Koos: Deans has always been a coach that seems to be great at nurturing talent, showed it time and again at the crusaders… imagine what he could do with Frans Steyn for example…
10 Jul 2009, 06:25 am
#357 poppa69:
Looking in my Crystal ball, Deans has avertage tri nations and sees the lack of depth as a problem.
Pdv has a kuk tri nations says some more stupid kak, and is fired.
SA rugby lures Deans with the big bucks, to coach boks starting the end of 2009 and into World Cup and goes on to win it with boks in his old back yard
10 Jul 2009, 06:25 am
#358 CoachPete:
average sorry
10 Jul 2009, 06:28 am
#357 poppa69: Yes, Deans would have had fun in SA if not for the politics.
10 Jul 2009, 06:37 am
#358 CoachPete: If only!
10 Jul 2009, 06:44 am
#358 CoachPete: yeah, though dont think the Aussies would let him go that easily… he did sign for four years… imagine the irony if he wins the WC in 11… though he was assistant to Mitchell in 03…
10 Jul 2009, 06:52 am
#362 poppa69: No he must do very very poorly before they will cut him, I mean, they held onto John Connelly for how long?!
10 Jul 2009, 06:55 am
#363 Koos: too true… but I think he was hired with the WC specifically in mind… we all have already seen what looks like a marked improvement… interesting times.
10 Jul 2009, 07:01 am
#364 poppa69: Yip, I think Deans already have 85% of his WC squad or an idea of it anyway. I am not sure the same can be said for the other two, ABs may well have a good idea but the Boks will only get clarity after this year I think.
10 Jul 2009, 07:22 am
#365 Koos: not sure the ABs have to be honest, think they are hoping a few will return from the NH… Hayman etc…
I think the Boks have unearthed a couple of potential superstars, it really is a case of PDV being able to assimilate these players into the nucleus of the WC winning side so they compliment and maintain some sort of evolution… victory in Dunedin was great psychologically for your side… it showed them they could win in NZ again… very important,as England discovered in 03.. gave them the belief that they were capable of lifting the trophy…
10 Jul 2009, 07:32 am
#366 poppa69: SA will be losing a few this year and that is the problem, nobody really knows who and when, not to even talk about if they coming back.
But you are right, we are sitting on what can be something great and hopefully they don’t go and muck it up. Again, this TN will give a very good ideea of where we are heading. As you mentioned, the 3 home games to start with gives us an even great opportunity to start off well…let wait and see.
10 Jul 2009, 07:37 am
#351 Koos:
Good odds… and ditto sentiment…
As Poppa says… they’re yet to be tested and super-young…
We have the better nucleus… we have the worst coach…
As Bladen said on TheRugbyClub… in his opinion… this is the most open 3N yet…
10 Jul 2009, 07:48 am
#367 Koos: do you think they will chase the dollars overseas though ? with the WC being so close, it may just detract a few from leaving… you guys have the quality of player to dominate like the ABs did before 07… but its the admin that hampers your team, as we all know
#368 money_man: have to agree with Hugh… I was extremely excited about last years comp, yet feel more so this year.
10 Jul 2009, 07:58 am
Everybody go to news 24 to see what Victor Matfield has to say about the coach.
10 Jul 2009, 07:59 am
Also want to see if Keo will follow with that same story. I know it doesn’t fit with their thinking though so I doubt it.
10 Jul 2009, 07:59 am
#369 poppa69: Most of them have achieved as much as they ever will Poppa, WC, TN, CC, Lions and if they don’t feel happy with the coach or whatever else they may well go. The exchange rate makes it very attractive.
10 Jul 2009, 08:06 am
#370 Izo: You mean the article that states P Divvie has a 76% winning record? Suppose it gives you an idea what to make of it…
10 Jul 2009, 08:10 am
#372 Koos: yeah, guess it must be hard to maintain the desire and focus if you have already achieved all the game has to offer.
but I also think the attraction of defending their title may just sway a couple to stay…
10 Jul 2009, 08:16 am
No, the one that talks about what Peter gives to the team. All of you have been saying the captain runs the team. In the article Victor puts that rumour to rest. But you can read whatever you want from what he says.
10 Jul 2009, 08:21 am
#374 poppa69: Hopefully but I think if they not happy it may just make them move easier.
10 Jul 2009, 08:27 am
#375 Izo: can you provide us with a link to the article ??
#376 Koos: yep.. cant produce good footy in an unhappy environment… shame if that is the case though.
10 Jul 2009, 08:30 am
http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/TriNations/355/4e0efd1edbf34cfa82531ddf27056520/10-07-2009%2006-07/Matfield_Give_Div_credit
there you go Pop
10 Jul 2009, 08:31 am
#375 Izo: This is like flogging a dead horse…lets try it again after the 3 home games in the TN.
Outside of that, how much weight can you put on an article that gets something like a winning % so wrong, it is not even close…
10 Jul 2009, 08:34 am
#313 Big Hit:
Well youve just illustrated your extreme bias against NZ, yet again.
Nowhere did I mention anything about the ABs performance or strengths or ‘right’ to get beyond the match vs France. In fact, I only mentioned the French psychology, you have just launched in to 1 of your many anti-NZ diatribes.
Fact is, whether you care to admit it or not, France regard beating the All Blacks as the pinnacle and thats why they have no problems lifting for that match. But records show, and they themselves even admit which is well-documented, that they find it hard to lift again after beating NZ. It was the same in 1999 after that amazing SemiF vs NZ and they simply couldnt rise again to the same standards in the Final. They were very flat and lost with a whimper.
Engl were indeed piss-poor. Jonny did indeed play 10-man rugby for territory, he and Catt kicking to the corners. Unhappy with the Little Gnomes tactics they took tactics in to their own hands. In the Final SA already had the psychological advan over Eng and didnt even need to get out of 2nd gear to win that match, a very boring match if seen in isolation.
Your silly little analysis about who beat who beat who just leads you up a cul-de-sac without answers. Maybe its convenient for you. Fact is, Engl couldnt beat NZ either even when at home. France find it easier to get up for NZ than Engl. Deal with it.
10 Jul 2009, 08:39 am
Dude , should I copy and paste the article for you?
Everybody was saying that Coach P does not do anything with the team, the senior players call the plays and run the team. then it was that only the assistant coaches are doing the work and senior players.
What the article says is different from what this website has said and Victor comes out and says that PDV is in charge. Go and read the whole article and not only about winning percentages.
All I am saying that it rebuffs this webistes assertions that PDV is not doin anything in the team.
Seems to me that PDV wants human being who can think and handle responsibility and not robots who do what they are told and cant do anything else.
10 Jul 2009, 08:41 am
#378 Izo: Thanks Izo…
#379 Koos: is it wrong though Koos… lets see, incl 3Ns last year and BI Lions, he won 4 from 9 (2 from 6, and 2 from 3).. not sure how many tests played on the EOYT (4 out of 4 was it?), and then there was the series with Wales and the one off with Argentina before last years 3Ns.. so 3 from 3 there..
4 from 9 plus 7 from 7… so 11 from 15 would make the percentage about right I think…
10 Jul 2009, 08:43 am
#382 poppa69: sorry, 11 from 16…
10 Jul 2009, 08:44 am
#383 poppa69: 11 from 16 works out at just under 70%..
10 Jul 2009, 08:45 am
#315 poppa69:
Exactly right Poppa. Their squads they send down under are a disgrace and show their extreme arrogance. They are happy, however, for the Blacks and Boks to travel up north and fill their stadiums and pockets. And they will lecture the SH about rugbys spirit but just not uphold it themselves.
Just reading any contribution by BH here is a daily reminder of what theyre like.
#317 Big Hit:
Actually, it was Tassies @ 274 that said ‘Engl were piss poor’, I was just agreeing with him. But since he’s a Safa and you spend most of your Keo-time slipping up Safas butts, then I suppose it was just easier slagging off the Kiwi. Ho hum, no change there.
10 Jul 2009, 08:46 am
Keep on flogging that horse if it makes you feel any better Izo, don’t hold back.
10 Jul 2009, 08:51 am
#384 poppa69: Played 16, won 11 which is 68.8% Poppa.
10 Jul 2009, 09:01 am
What horse is being flogged, the article answers rumours about the Bok squad. You clearly made your mind up a long time ago. Don’t know why I bother.
10 Jul 2009, 09:02 am
#387 Koos: perhaps they were counting that all important Namibia test too my friend
10 Jul 2009, 09:06 am
#389 poppa69: And excluding the nil one down in Cape Town…they thought it never happened or else we would have scored some points…
10 Jul 2009, 09:14 am
PdeV has a very difficult few months ahead. He’s got 2 years to a WC and is facing the prospect of losing a number of his core players.
Don’t underestimate the influence of the players agents. I can see them putting a lot of pressure on their players to cash in now, rather than wait until after the next WC with the following arguments:
1. As WC and a B&Il series win, their value is at a peak, so cash in now.
2.What are their chances of defending the WC in NZ based on the Boks record there?
3.The value of a WC loser is less than a winner when negotiating a deal.
4. The player is in his prime but will be closer to the end of his career after 2011 and will command less money than he can now.
If PdeV decides to use the 3N as part of a rebuilding process, which he has to do at some point, then we could be in for a rollercoaster ride. My feeling is that he’ll gamble on fielding his strongest side for the first 2 home matches and experiment in the away games a la JW.
I’d then use the EOYT to introduce a few second tier of young emerging players who may make the step up as backups for 2011.
The Lions tour has actually done more damage than good for the WC build up as we’ll be losing players in the middle of the buildup whilst the sides have already started rebuilding.
10 Jul 2009, 09:29 am
#391 David: But if does that ala Jake White everybody will want him to get fired. If SARU dont give him the support in terms of giving him freedom to build for the next World Cup then he will be in trouble.
Also, I think within a WC where you play does not matter. Even though SA usually loses in NZ they will be playing other teams as well. They can draw from the last WC experience of playing away from home for a month and not think of it as playing the host country.
I think some of them might stay as they beloeve they can win another WC. If they do win then their value will go even higher. Most these guys can go play in Europe after that for 2 years and earn enormous amounts of money.
10 Jul 2009, 09:50 am
this must be leaving SARU red faced after they gave him so many problems
10 Jul 2009, 09:51 am
#392 Izo:
I think you underestimate the enourmity of playing in NZ. It is a big pscychological hurdle for pretty much every team in world rugby (except obviously the French, but they’re all mental anyway!). Pdv needs to have a firm plan in place but I don’t see any kind of long term thinking from him apart from his stupid desire to play “running rugby”. That is not going to win us a RWC, hell it would struggle to win us the S14. Pdv gets a lot more leeway in selecting his teams that JW ever did, remember how many times everybody questioned Jake’s sides? He had to explain himself during the WC ffs! Snor has an easy ride from SARU and the majority of the Bok side picks itself. Pdv is just a weak coach, where is his plan? What steps has he taken in regards to winning both the 3N and RWC? I don’t see a lot of forward thinking from the guy and it is holding us back.
10 Jul 2009, 09:54 am
Glad to see Jake White is being recognised. Maybe he will turn right this ship that is sailing straight towards SA.
10 Jul 2009, 09:54 am
#394 Thameside Bok fan:
That horse is dead. Stop flogging it.
We get your point.
Again.
10 Jul 2009, 09:56 am
#393 Dunx:
SARU admit that they fired arguably the world’s best coach? There is more chance of George Bush enrolling in an English speaking academy in Baghdad……:D
10 Jul 2009, 09:56 am
#392 Izo:
I was just pointing out some of the arguments that the players agents will be putting to the players. Remember that agents get a cut and are interested in cashing in on the players maximum value now rather than take a risk on doing it in 2 years time.
My point about PdeV is that he’s got some difficult choices to juggle with. If he plays his strongest team for the duration of the 3N in order to win it, knowing that a number of players won’t be available during the WC run up, it leaves him with a limited amount of internationals to experiment and mould his strongest squad.
10 Jul 2009, 09:58 am
#394 Thameside Bok fan: just for the record, that was France’s first win in NZ for 15 years, so not really a true indication of them in NZ…
10 Jul 2009, 10:10 am
#399 poppa69:
Just for the record….you didn’t notice the tongue very firmly inserted into cheek did you? Seriously some of you guys on here need to get into your wife’s supply of valium and chill out a bit.
10 Jul 2009, 10:11 am
hey maybe pieter de villiers will join this irb group when he is done coaching! haha
10 Jul 2009, 10:20 am
#400 Thameside Bok fan: sorry, no, didnt see the laughing smiley you put in your comment… that would have given some indication of the tongue being firmly in cheek…
10 Jul 2009, 10:47 am
Jake White has been elevated to sit on the prestigious International Rugby Board’s Rugby Committee.
Would have been weird if he was invited to sit on the prestigious International Rugby Board’s SOCCER Committee.
10 Jul 2009, 10:56 am
#402 poppa69:
No worries, thank you for apologising I appreciate that. Ive read a few of your posts and I know you know your rugby. At any rate we can probably both agree on the mental state of your average French rugby player?
10 Jul 2009, 11:07 am
#188 skopskiet:
If you think this is about grandstanding & sitting with your bum in the butter, then you are sadly mistaken.
SARU along with their puppet masters have the potential to inflict serious damage on SA rugby. To have one of the top 3 rugby nations sliding down a slippery slope is not in the best interests of the game. Besides, SA rugby is currently viewed by the IRB through its Nelson’s eye & that cannot last because political interference in the game by any member country is not allowed.
Jake White has enormous respect and influence in rugby circles, not only in SA but world wide. The IRB, by having Jake on board, will be better able to manage the “SA situation” in their attempt to grow the game into a truly global one.
10 Jul 2009, 11:15 am
Best coach out of SA since post apartheid. We’re still winning on his structures right now.
The IRB can see his class, the rest of the world can see it (I know I live overseas and hear what people have to say about him), but still some of the SA supporters can’t.
10 Jul 2009, 11:22 am
405. Inevitable
agree mate – although i’m not a big SARU hater – SA has past mistakes to deal with and that’s just a reality. I think with the blacks players coming through and a lot with real talent the political issues should subside a little but possible always remain in one form or another. With PDV there it seems the political issues have subsided from a quota persective at least. (His racial media rants aside)
I just will always appreciate how Jake pulled SA rugby out of the hell holes and therefore will alwasy stand at his defense. Before him we were 6th or 7th in the world and known as the thugs of worldf rugby. Under Jake that changed, with PDV here teh thuggery seems to be creeping in again – pity
10 Jul 2009, 11:58 am
#358 CoachPete: Not going to happen, no matter how much you offer.
10 Jul 2009, 12:29 pm
#303 WakaNathan: That Ross looks lik quite a find….gonna be interesting to see how he does against Vic!! Was very surprised Masaga didn’t get a look-in? Rate him above Gear…
10 Jul 2009, 13:18 pm
#407 Mike H: That’s for sure. He brought massive respect back for SA rugby and by inculcating and re-enforcing Bok traditions among the players, added another bow to the quiver.
As you alluded to, it is unfortunate that things appear to be unraveling but hopefully, intelligent people with the love of the game at heart will manage to get a hand on the tiller and set a new course.
10 Jul 2009, 13:35 pm
#409 Atreides:
Yes, Ross looks handy but is still quite young, needs a season or 2 to see whether he can find a tougher edge req’d at Test level. He still mauls too upright and exposes his whole frame, and therefore ball, when running with the pill too. Best lock find in NZ for a while tho and has AB pedigree thru his Dad, Jock. Chris Jack aint going to find it easy getting back in to the Crusader jersey and I think he knows it.
Im not sure about Masaga. Yes, dangerous with the ball. But is poor defensively and under kicks. Maybe he lacks concentration or just sheer physical presense. Sivivatu had to learn defense skills before he was trusted with starting berths and thats the way it should be. For me Dougie Howlett was the complete winger, not only fast but high workrate, chasing kicks, tracking back to help fullback, good punting. Masaga only has the attacking skills so far, not good enough so go to the back of the Q please. Hosea Gear is just working on those finer skills, you can see. Maybe not as dangerous but makes less mistakes. I think its a trust issue with selectors innit. I dont rate Rudi Wulf highly but again he does the fundamentals well and this is what the 3 Blind Mice seem to want.
10 Jul 2009, 13:59 pm
#380 WakaNathan: France actually lift their game for England because they hate us the most. This year they lifted it most for Wales. To say they only lift their game for NZ is a bit arrogant and inaccurate too. They seem to struggle with powerful forward sides like England and Argentina, but have not many problems with teams which play backs rugby like NZ/Wales, they would’ve beaten Australia last Autumn too if Skrela hadn’t missed 6 penalty kicks.
And England didn’t play 10 man rugby v Aus, Wilkinson and Catt kept ball in hand when they received it. Kicking to the Aussie back three would’ve been suicide as Latham can kick it to another continent. The forwards gave Aussie a working over at ruck time, scrum time and mauls off the lineout, like France, Australia struggle with a forwards rugby team.
The England side which faced NZ in 2006 was completely different from the RWC side (only 5 players remained), the England side which faced NZ in 2008 was also completely different (only 3 players remained). So trying to judge the RWC team off games in between World Cups after a bunch of retirements is folly.
10 Jul 2009, 14:26 pm
#412 Big Hit:
“So trying to judge the RWC team off games in between World Cups after a bunch of retirements is folly.”.
You could be right for once Big Hit. Sheer folly.
“This year they lifted it most for Wales.”
“They seem to struggle with powerful forward sides like England and Argentina, but have not many problems with teams which play backs rugby like NZ/Wales, they would’ve beaten Australia last Autumn too if Skrela hadn’t missed 6 penalty kicks.”
Is that only 2 different ‘between RWC’ games, or were there more, when you just contradicted yourself ?
So only RWC games matter ? But 6N form and EOYT tours are nevertheless indicative of strength. As long as dealt with in isolation. At your discretion.
right, thank God we cleared that up.
10 Jul 2009, 14:30 pm
#410 Inevitable:
Was one of those Bok traditions to offer your services to the BIL to take on the side you’d just won a RWC with?
10 Jul 2009, 17:51 pm
#414 cab:
I take it that you are attempting to cast aspersions on Jake’s loyalty to the Springboks? If so, then apart from being laughable it is probably a first.
After being stretched to breaking point on numerous occasions by his employees, he steadfastly remained loyal and committed to his boys. I can’t think of any press report or whisper from the players to refute that.
Jakes job was no ordinary one. He was essentially employed by the government through their proxy SARU and as such it was especially incumbent upon SARU to be seen both by the public and behind closed doors to treat the national coach fairly and with dignity. That this was not done will have repercussions way into the future.
Jake obviously remains committed to SA and his position on the IRB and his influence there will have a huge positive impact on SA rugby.
To host WC’s you need real friends that will vote for you, not against you. To influence rugby on the world stage you have to be listened too and taken seriously, not laughed at.
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