Div rants about refs
7 Sep 2009
Peter de Villiers delivered a scathing criticism of the officials and is concerned by their body language when awarding decisions against the Springboks.
The Bok scrum has been decimated in three consecutive matches by the Wallabies, but De Villiers preferred to focus on the refereeing. After the Test in Perth, the Bok coach wrote a letter to IRB referee boss Paddy O’Brien regarding Bryce Lawrence’s interpretations.
O’Brien backed his fellow Kiwi, saying that was the best refereeing performance in the Tri-Nations.
De Villiers said there is now no point in asking for feedback, as the referees and assistant referees don’t stick to what was set out.
‘I believe it’s a complete waste of time,’ said De Villiers. ‘It doesn’t matter if we ask for an explanation of the scrum rules. The problem is pointed out but it is not officiated properly by the referee and the other officials on the field.’
De Villiers maintains the Boks are still the benchmark that other countries measure themselves by, but claimed their jealousy at the Boks’ success was the reason for what he deems as questionable decisions.
‘People don’t want to see other teams being successful. That is my biggest problem at the moment. We can’t go public about certain things because we don’t have all the evidence, but the body language of certain officials when things went against us in that game made us worry,’ he said.
‘The officials were so happy when decisions went against us on the day. I am talking about the number one rugby team in the world. Shouldn’t they really get the other guys to that level?
‘Or do they want to break things down so that the game can become mediocre and everyone has a chance to win it. We don’t want to dwell on that point, but if that is the case, then I feel I am wasting my time by talking to them. I will then have to reconsider talking to them.’
De Villiers emphasised that he would not be asking for clarification from O’Brien on the decisions. When asked whether he would send him another email, De Villiers responded:
‘I believe life within your own country is sometimes a burden because you have to face it every day but when you go outside your borders, you see that it is actually worse.’
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8 Sep 2009, 07:24 am
#334 TheTackler: It’s not as simple as that, especially the part where you say, “If you don’t infringe, you won’t get pinged”.
Mistakes are made missing infringements, and blowing non-existent ones.
8 Sep 2009, 07:26 am
#349 Transformation: I know, weve all been talking about the officiating for the two years at least that Ive been on here… Im not sure mate, but perhaps a sport being “professional” means that the gambling syndicates and bookies have a much more vested interest in certain results…
we seen it in the cricket, betting scandals so would not surprise if it has crept into rugby, no matter how many of us deny it….
07 – do you think it was Barnes or the IRB fearing a massive loss if France didnt make it past that quarter ? sounds ludicrous but it could be a possibility…
8 Sep 2009, 07:27 am
#352 poppa69: And did they land on the moon? (while we are grasping at straws….)
8 Sep 2009, 07:27 am
#350 Dunx: The answer is not more chastising of the refs. It’s spreading responsibility. More refs on the field and appeals for the teams.
8 Sep 2009, 07:29 am
#353 Wikus van der Merwe: thats still a question NOT everyone is sure on
did they? I heard Speilberg shot it in a vacant studio
8 Sep 2009, 07:35 am
#355 poppa69: Hehehehehe … donno…. who knows…. that race between the Russians and the US were full of conflicting facts…. or were they facts…. just not sure…
8 Sep 2009, 07:36 am
#356 Wikus van der Merwe: only the victors record the spoils of war, so youre right, only a select few will really know
8 Sep 2009, 07:45 am
Before the game is played, the Bok management and the team — and all voices inside SARU — always express complete confidence in the ref. “We rate Stu Dickerson very highly” we are told. “Bryce Lawrence is a very fair ref”. “We think that Wayne Barnes is an excellent ref”. “Paul Honiss is one of the best refs in the world and is very experienced”… bla bla.
Then, once the game is lost, the same effusive praise-singers put the boot heavily into the ref. They “struggled with his interpretations” and they “can’t understand” his decisions, etc etc.
Then, a year later, they are drawn the same ref for yet another test and all the smiling, brown-nosing and praise-singing starts all over again.
Who do they think they’re fooling?
8 Sep 2009, 08:00 am
Barnes was terrible on saterday, the wallabies scrum upwards with us getting penalised, how does that work?
There is a difference between scrumming hard and then the other prop pops up but the Aussies just scrum straight up. Poo officiating by Barnes, we all know that he is not the best ref on the park.
8 Sep 2009, 08:07 am
Good old Barnesy’s running touch this weekend, let’s hope he spots all those scandalous kiwi forward passes which they’ve been getting away with for years.
8 Sep 2009, 08:14 am
#358 TheTackler: the kiwis have done their fair share of ref whinging…just look at the 2007 wc. its one big merry go round. if it was any other team they would also be bitching and moaning. the fact is that barnes was absolutely diabolical on sat. as a bok supporter i will moan and am prepared to take the flak…just like i give when anyone else whinges about the ref.
8 Sep 2009, 08:49 am
Whiney Barnes does not even know the rules and I believe he is not impartial. Two Bokke in offside positions tackle a player in the act of scoring a try and no penalty try. He let a lot of thuggery go by also.
He had to use the VMO for a field goal for Heaven’s sake. Vision problems Whiney?
The score certainly flattered the Bokke and PdV is a lost cause; just when I thought that he had a clue.
8 Sep 2009, 08:58 am
#362 AiDoc: are you talking about genia?
lmao.
you cant be offsides when you are on your own line.
do you know the rules mate?
p.s. when taking a quick tap, the ball must leave the hands. look it up.
8 Sep 2009, 08:59 am
that said, the aussies certainly deserved their win.
well done aus!
but you kiwiws should stop crowing until you have done the job eh?
8 Sep 2009, 09:59 am
I have said it before and I will say it again. The standard of reffing world wide is very poor. In some ways the rules have become so complicated or the emphasis placed in different areas so much so that it has become so difficult for a ref to see and adjudicate on everything. Barnes is not a very good ref, it was clear that after awarding various warnings for slowing the ball down to the Ozzies he then took not further action. Some of the ball killing was blatant. Other than consistency which is a premium the next most important thing in reffing has to be the ability of a skipper to ask for is an explanation on why a decision is made so to ensure you do not make the same mistake again. It was clear that Barnes was totally ignoring any such request. The impact was clear to see in the frustration on players faces.
Needless to say this had no impact on the result. The boks looked tired and seemed to almost be running one or two men light at times.
Well done Australia, I think you were more hungry for victory on the day.
What concerns me is the very low standard of reffing world wide though and the impact it is having on this wonderful game. The law makers have made a mockery of the game in a bid to pander to certain nations requirement and tv needs.
8 Sep 2009, 10:20 am
whoever loses, whinges. it’s a law, lol
8 Sep 2009, 10:45 am
#366 spykerbaard: Usually it is. Some whinge more, some less. And I have feeling, that certain Mr. PDV whinges no matter, whether he wins or lose, he is sore anyway, he is going to surpass even SCW which I thought was not humanly possible.
8 Sep 2009, 10:53 am
Grow up or shoot yourself – make everyone happy- LOOSER
Bad LOOSER AT THAT.
8 Sep 2009, 10:54 am
I thought whining was only for losers – direct quote from J Smit after last Saturday? This just makes him sound even more ridiculous than he did before.
8 Sep 2009, 11:05 am
#364 rangerman: We can smell victory – the tables are turning!!!!!
8 Sep 2009, 11:14 am
#368 MalcolmMudge:
I think you mean loser – who tied your shoelaces this morning by the way?
8 Sep 2009, 11:17 am
#367 Nils: You are probably a little biased here, foretelling how bad he’s going to be (“he is going to surpass even SCW”). Who is SCW by the way?
8 Sep 2009, 11:32 am
SCW = Sir Clive Woodward
8 Sep 2009, 11:42 am
#373 jonnymain: thanks, had a blank there
8 Sep 2009, 13:08 pm
#372 spykerbaard: I am. I just hardly ever remember PDV being gracious in defeat (siege mentality? enemies everywhere!) and even in victory he is able to sound arrogant just like SCW, who just had more time, PDV only couple of years.
SCW is English version of JW. Who is JW, you may ask. Practically nobody nowdays but a few years back he was frontpage item.
8 Sep 2009, 13:53 pm
Oh no,he’s started running his mouth again.His biggest problem is not that he doesn’t mean well,but he has no idea how to project his thoughts in a sane considered manner.
He’s too quick to fall back on his mixed metaphors and biblical quotes which make great copy but leave him looking like a right muppet.
Take the Schalk Burger incident for example, he tried to defend his player’s conduct by insisting that the gouge was accidental but ended up sounding like he castigated gouging
8 Sep 2009, 14:50 pm
#376 Diliza:
I believe you mean the opposite of ‘castigated’, perhaps even ‘supported’, because to all the World that is exactly how it sounded. He deserved to be shot for that 1 statement alone. I suppose they were still too wrapped up in hatching their JUSTICE surprise at the time to care how it sounded.
8 Sep 2009, 15:18 pm
Oh dear trouble wif the refs, again. Basically rugby is a lottery with ridiculously complex rules and plenty dodgy refs. So don’t take it seriously. SARU don’t otherwise they would do something about it. Do what?
Well PdV shouldn’t be left to whine on his own. I would guess that having whined to Paddy O’Bumchum about the first game in Oz, Paddy let Barnesy back after putting NZ out of RWC 2007 on condition he was “strict” with the Saffers. Teach them a lesson.
Paddy is an NZder first and a ref second. SA refs are refs first and Saffers second. If SARU were serious they would ensure Andre Twatson took over from Paddy and gave the Aussies and the Aussies in training in NZ a little taste of their own medicine while quietly having a word with refs who ended up with suspect penalty counts against the Saffers. SARU would pack RFU admin with their pals; SA has the clout. No more one eyed citing officers who make Darryl Hair look like a saint.
Basically play the same professional game as Oz and NZ. Total rugby, refs, officials, admin, media and finally, the team. All with one goal – SA to win.
8 Sep 2009, 15:42 pm
#377 BlackPanther: My bad I to say endorsed,that statement will haunt the rest of his career
8 Sep 2009, 19:44 pm
can anyonetell me why we lost 1.46 rating points this week in the world rankings. it should have been closer to 0.6 because australia had home advantage.
8 Sep 2009, 19:45 pm
I THINK WE,VE BEEN CHEATED
8 Sep 2009, 19:52 pm
#381 Dirkie: Dirkie where did you read that? Where does that leave us on the IRB ranking now?
8 Sep 2009, 19:54 pm
A hair width away from NZ. have a look at the irb website.
8 Sep 2009, 20:06 pm
#383 Dirkie: Well thats nonsense. We have only lost to Os and should never have lost so much in points. Maybe they have it wrong.
8 Sep 2009, 20:06 pm
#384 Puma: Meant Oz.
8 Sep 2009, 20:09 pm
#383 Dirkie: Just checked it. Not sure how they work it out but it seems wrong to me.
8 Sep 2009, 20:16 pm
#386 Puma: I worked it out too and it is wrong.
Cheated again by the irb
8 Sep 2009, 20:20 pm
#387 Dirkie: Yip, It does not sound right to me.
Maybe they will correct it. Ag, who cares about them really.
Just hope we win on Saturday and win the Tri-Nations. Would good to finish on a win in NZ.
8 Sep 2009, 20:20 pm
#386 Puma: this means if nz beat us this weekend they will be number one again.
After beating ozz in ozz we should be untouchable on the rest of te away leg.
8 Sep 2009, 20:21 pm
#388 Puma: for sure. I think they will do it.
They needed a wake up call
8 Sep 2009, 20:27 pm
#389 Dirkie: So if we lose 2 games NZ is once again ahead of us? Something does not seem right really.
We have to win on Saturday. The last time I looked we had 90 something and NZ on 89. Now we are almost neck and neck and they lost to us twice here in SA and so did Oz lose to us in SA and in Perth.
Wont take it serious if thats the case. Just must win and take the cup on Sat.
8 Sep 2009, 20:31 pm
Cheers Dirkie I am out of here.
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