Div rants about refs
7 Sep 2009
Peter de Villiers delivered a scathing criticism of the officials and is concerned by their body language when awarding decisions against the Springboks.
The Bok scrum has been decimated in three consecutive matches by the Wallabies, but De Villiers preferred to focus on the refereeing. After the Test in Perth, the Bok coach wrote a letter to IRB referee boss Paddy O’Brien regarding Bryce Lawrence’s interpretations.
O’Brien backed his fellow Kiwi, saying that was the best refereeing performance in the Tri-Nations.
De Villiers said there is now no point in asking for feedback, as the referees and assistant referees don’t stick to what was set out.
‘I believe it’s a complete waste of time,’ said De Villiers. ‘It doesn’t matter if we ask for an explanation of the scrum rules. The problem is pointed out but it is not officiated properly by the referee and the other officials on the field.’
De Villiers maintains the Boks are still the benchmark that other countries measure themselves by, but claimed their jealousy at the Boks’ success was the reason for what he deems as questionable decisions.
‘People don’t want to see other teams being successful. That is my biggest problem at the moment. We can’t go public about certain things because we don’t have all the evidence, but the body language of certain officials when things went against us in that game made us worry,’ he said.
‘The officials were so happy when decisions went against us on the day. I am talking about the number one rugby team in the world. Shouldn’t they really get the other guys to that level?
‘Or do they want to break things down so that the game can become mediocre and everyone has a chance to win it. We don’t want to dwell on that point, but if that is the case, then I feel I am wasting my time by talking to them. I will then have to reconsider talking to them.’
De Villiers emphasised that he would not be asking for clarification from O’Brien on the decisions. When asked whether he would send him another email, De Villiers responded:
‘I believe life within your own country is sometimes a burden because you have to face it every day but when you go outside your borders, you see that it is actually worse.’
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8 Sep 2009, 01:33 am
#300 WP_: Nobody comes remotely close to the yarpies for “creative” excuses — “travel disadvantage”, everybody hates us, hotel fatigue, beds too small, studs too short, ganging-up conspiracy this, conspiracy that…
8 Sep 2009, 01:33 am
#298 WP_: yeah, unfortunately as supporters I think we only ever see the other teams infringements
I actually thought PDV may have learnt a little from last year, and thought he had until now…
best I leave Barnes well enough alone lol
#299 Transformation: always in a sticky situation mate, not sure its a good thing either hehe Im not sure, but Id say we (with Suzie, Barnes and the stars not aligning every 4 years) perhaps edge you guys…
versus travel, reffing alliance (I wont include quotas because even I can see they do affect your team)
Have to agree with WP, the Poms are the worst, then the Aussies I reckon, one only has to read BH’s posts whenever England lose to someone (never the strongest side, the ref was against them etc etc)..
8 Sep 2009, 01:51 am
Starting to whinge like the poms…Geez I wish he would shut up and focus on the rugby. As for Wayne Barnes, the guy is a git. That god we didn’t get him in the WC, like NZ did.
8 Sep 2009, 02:13 am
#301 TheTackler: Really? I thought that “Suzie” is on the top step in the “creative excuses” department.
8 Sep 2009, 02:26 am
Who can find the quote from a few years ago about that alleged email going around between some Australasian referees to “Get those yarpies”?
8 Sep 2009, 02:36 am
I have always found Saffas pretty good after a loss, this outburst however is laughable
8 Sep 2009, 02:38 am
Dear Div,
Thank you for your entry in the ******** of the Year Award. Though the competition is strong, particularly in the South African divisional section, we believe your entry has an outstanding chance of sweeping the board.
Yours faithfully,
Jaapie van Niekerk,
Division Chairman.
International DHoY,
Johannesburg.
8 Sep 2009, 02:56 am
not much point in PDV saying anything really. but i guess he gets asks questions and then cant help answering them as he sees fit.
maybe he’s been watching lie to me and now thinks he’s an expert on body language…
Barnes, being a ref probably takes pleasure in all penatlies he awards, regardless of the team he’s penalising.
8 Sep 2009, 02:58 am
#301 TheTackler:
still the best excuse ever has to be “susie” – sine then the bopks have been playing excuse catch-up – but started from too far back to ever manage it.
unlike the boks though, you’re rather bereft of creative ideas. always the same old boring one dimenional nonsense from you.
8 Sep 2009, 02:59 am
#307 Maggie:
Not sure
Remember the dude is under a gag order from SARU, I doubt he made that ‘speech’ without a direct instruction from his masters.
The English he used if I am to believe the text is far better than what we usually hear from him on the TV, you have to see the TV footage to tell whether he reads it or speak out his fumes hazed mind?
8 Sep 2009, 03:04 am
#310 Hondo: Surely his masters are not that paranoid are they? To think up conspiracies like that? I don’t know maybe you are right
8 Sep 2009, 03:05 am
#301 TheTackler:
The Suzi poisioning is true but got nothing to do with the Springboks, it was a job of a Far East betting cartel, the SARFU organization had nothing to do with it
The refereeing of that one eyed Morrison bobo was more than enough to counter the effect of the food poisioning, so, what exactly are you bitching about?
8 Sep 2009, 03:07 am
“By any measure Smit’s men stack up as better than the Wallabies, even a more balanced looking Wallaby outfit, so I see no impediment to the Tri-Nations being added to the amazing list of achievements this year other than the unknown factor of how New Zealand’s favourite referee, Wayne Barnes, might influence things which, when you think about it, is quite a damning comment on the state of the game but, sadly, quite true.
Still, as David Campese has said all season long, it is the Boks’ to lose.”
Dan Retief sums up before the Boks game in Brisbane……..
8 Sep 2009, 03:11 am
P Div. Time to hou bek and do your talking on the field. We all know the playing field is not as level as it should be.But it has been this way for a long time. Other factors aside, we cost ourselves this game. Fix the problem areas, scrum and gameplan for starters, and normal service will be resumed.
8 Sep 2009, 03:12 am
#314 stormer in a teacup: What do you mean the field is not as level as it should be?
8 Sep 2009, 03:20 am
#313 Staalburger:
You never know.
Smilar sentiments expressed after the B&IL series and the 3 Home Tests against of the TriNation series.
Some Pom newspaper even went further saying we have witness the same ‘Bevan and the Gold Rolex and who knows what else’ yet again, some Kiwi writer even suggested a Poligraph test for Rolland
8 Sep 2009, 03:21 am
#306 Waster:
gotta agree. especially after he had done such a god job of congratulating the aussies for playing so well in another interview yesterday.
8 Sep 2009, 03:24 am
#315 Waster: Apart from the travel, which nothing can be done about, the SA players are always being cited, banned etc. while the other teams get treated far more leniently for similar offences. I was a function a few years back and Wayne Erickson, retired at that stage, basically stated he loved to dish it out to the Boks, to great laughter from the audience and not a hint of surprise. Bok fans may get a bit paranoid about these things, but there is a very clear pattern there.
8 Sep 2009, 03:26 am
#315 Waster:
Why the need to do it?
The Boks already won 6 out of 8 Tests this year, nothing’s broken why the fix?
8 Sep 2009, 03:26 am
#315 Waster: its all a conspiracy against SA, has been since rugby was invented, apparently
8 Sep 2009, 03:27 am
#318 stormer in a teacup: Ha ha paranoid all right, bring back Pieter van Zyl
8 Sep 2009, 03:29 am
#320 poppa69: Yeah so it seems, everyone picks on the boks, bring on the violins
8 Sep 2009, 03:31 am
#322 Waster: its like the whole “get the SA’s email” Ive asked repeatedly for someone to show me a copy of this email, yet to this day I still havent seen it… anyone say propoganda ?
8 Sep 2009, 03:34 am
#318 stormer in a teacup: That’s the reason why Erickson, Hoeniss and Morrison had their career cut short.
It’s hard to believe that after 7 pro SA biased Tests on the trot people complain about one test, the home tests were handed to us on a plate
8 Sep 2009, 03:35 am
#323 poppa69: Read post 318, comedy paranoia
8 Sep 2009, 03:42 am
#325 Waster: yeah seen it… guess when our team isnt doing well we all clutch at straws, and when enough clutch them they tend to go from outrageous to being possible… ala Suzie, ala reffing alliance etc etc etc ..
8 Sep 2009, 03:42 am
well at least he didn’t quote the bible. What he is saying is right but as usual he is saying it in the wrong way. It should be more of a case of the Boks are getting pinned too often and we need to focus ion this on all fronts both with the srumming technique and by getting a better udnerstanding of the IRB’s interpretation of the laws at scrum time.
8 Sep 2009, 03:44 am
#326 poppa69: Don’t worry I know all about teams I support doing badly,
8 Sep 2009, 03:45 am
If the boks win in hamilton and white wash the northern hemisphere teams(as usual) i wonder if the Irb will vote for p div as coach of the year considering his utterances throughout the whole year?
8 Sep 2009, 03:45 am
#327 kesbok: Well said
8 Sep 2009, 03:46 am
#324 Hondo: Career “cut short”???
Paul Honiss holds the record for reffing more rugby tests than any other referee on this planet, pilgrim.
8 Sep 2009, 04:10 am
Not bad for a blind man.
8 Sep 2009, 04:22 am
PERHAPS PDV, the PENALTIES were from all the PRESSURE Aust put on you
seems that was all we heard about when our teams were being pinged in SA and we complained, so suck it up peoples…
8 Sep 2009, 04:42 am
If you infringe, you run the risk of being pinged. Doesn’t mean you WILL get pinged, but you MIGHT. If you don’t infringe, you won’t be pinged.
So, how’s this for a radical suggestion? Don’t infringe.
And, while we’re at it, here’s another radical suggestion: if you choose to infringe and then you get pinged, just close your gob and swallow it. Leave the silly armbands and the ludicrous conspiracy theories in the change-room lavatory.
8 Sep 2009, 05:09 am
#334 TheTackler:
i dont think the guys are moaning about being pinged – rather the fact aussie at times escaped censure for what appeared to be blatant fouls. and when the one eyed aussie comentators suggest the same during the game you gotta know the home team is getting the rub.
that said who gives a **** – the best team won. they were at home and they were dominant. when that happens you usually get the 50/50 calls because you have the momentum. the boks benefitted in SA when they were dominant and had the momentum. there is no conspiracy, maybe slight inherrant and unavoidable bias but no one can avoid this – even you tackler are at least a little bit biassed in your views
i am not complaining and i am not bothered by the defeat. fact is it’ll do us more good than harm. we all know the ABs could have done with a few more losses and introspection in the leadup to the 99, 03 and 07 world cups.
I still think we’re the best team in the world at the moment – what do you think?
8 Sep 2009, 05:26 am
I think we can all agree that the current system of officiating and citing in rugby is deeply flawed. This essentially is the point PDV is making.
8 Sep 2009, 05:31 am
#336 sglazer:
still find it odd that giteau was not cited for his elbow on du preez. can only imagine what would have happened if it was bakkies or shalk that did that.
i guess officials find it harder to cite midgets than they do citing the big boys.
8 Sep 2009, 05:32 am
#336 sglazer: Didn’t look like his point to me, he thinks his boys are getting unfairly treated, which is bollocks
8 Sep 2009, 05:34 am
#337 munkiboi: Without doubt that was a citable offence.
8 Sep 2009, 05:35 am
#338 Waster: Everyone is getting unfairly treated. PDV is speaking up.
8 Sep 2009, 05:37 am
#338 Waster: … including the officials themselves.
8 Sep 2009, 05:40 am
#341 sglazer: Fair point, the officials are getting it hard too, I just think the perception that SA players get dealt with harder than others is pretty one eyed
8 Sep 2009, 06:30 am
One good thing from last Saturday is the sudden improvement in Wayne Barnes’ popularity amongst the Kiwis. For the last almost two years he was the most hated man in NZ, there was a whole report written about how incompetent he was, some people even wanted him dead.
Now suddenly he’s an excellent ref, makes all the correct decisions, and PDV is just having a whinge, which is now apparently a uniquely Saffa thing to do.
Make up your minds, Kiwis, you’re worse than a bunch of women. Just tell us – is he a good ref or a bad ref?
8 Sep 2009, 06:46 am
#343 rich1:
You’re missing the point. AB fans have ben bagged and pilloried on this forum for two years now for expressing their view that Wayne Barnes had a shocker in 07. You can’t have it both ways – you bag us when we have a gripe but when you guys now do the same we are now just pointing out your hypocricy.
Personally, I still think Barnes is poor. He simply misses a lot of what’s happening at the breakdown and wouldn’t know an offside line if it bit him on his white pasty ***. However, it takes a seriously delusional person to blame the ref for that loss. The Wallabies were all over the Boks like white on rice.
8 Sep 2009, 06:55 am
#343 rich1: we dont think he’s a good ref, just now you guys may realise why we moaned about him so vociferously…
we’re worse then a bunch of woman.. bwahahaa
ARMBANDS
PDV now accusing refs of bad BODY LANGUAGE when penalising the Bok WTF???
Oregan Hoskins crying over NZ and AUS “ganging up” on the possible Kings Franchise…
The amount of gnashing teeth wanting to get rid of Brussouw after one poor game by his standards
The sudden crying that Smit isnt a TH, this wasnt such an issue when you guys were winning.. (still an issue, but now suddenly its a serious one)
THE CONSTANT CRYING for NH REFS, well you got one, shiite wasnt he…
shall I continue.. as Shaapshagger said, its been 2 years we have copped it from SA’s over Barnes, nice to see it come back and bite you guys… but wait, hes from the NH, how can that be part of the “reffing alliance” oh no, the NH is after you too, quick, better hide in them paranoia bunkers
and one more thing
you’re crying over a Tri-Nations game, imagine if that was a WC 1/4 final…
8 Sep 2009, 07:02 am
there’s really no much hoskins can do about pdv’s rant, seeing that he is also quoted talking about both australia & new zealand ganging up on south africa in the sanzar coalition. I’m convinced this was a whole SARU directive voice out their grievances. Either way i think it’s a bad move, win the damn thing first then talk later!
8 Sep 2009, 07:06 am
#346 Transformation: yeah its a shame because it detracts from such a wonderful season your team has had… really does take the gloss of the shine so to speak…
8 Sep 2009, 07:13 am
I think PDV is speaking from a very personal perspective, but it reflects outwards to how all of us have felt at one time or another. It’s time for change, proper change.
8 Sep 2009, 07:19 am
#347 poppa69: well everyone of them has been @ it this year, smit & the players union & the armbands, hoskins not convinced that we’ll get the s15 franchise because aus & nz are ganging up on us, pdv now saying it’s useless to talk to paddy when some of the officials’ body language is questionable & they want to dismantle the boks.
it would certainly be rich for anyone of them to tell pdv to zip it…
how does paddy sit with his whole thing with the refs being “expected” to blow in favour of the home team. Jake said the boks will need tries because the refs are not likely to award them penalties, my question is why? This is not the uefa champions league where a norwegian ref had to be smuggled out of england this year bcoz chelsea fans thought he blew against them. How does rugby union sit comfortably with such an alleged bias from their professional refs?
Anyway, work calls, later friends & foes…
8 Sep 2009, 07:21 am
it is about time that something is done as these refs are a law unto themselves they’re protected so no-one can say anything about them, you cant do anything they are protected so there has to be a evaluation system and feedback from the teams. Else what is the use POB will just back them all the time i think maybe it is time to get Andre Watson in to help
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