Ricky axed
31 Oct 2009
Ricky Januarie has been left out of the 37-man Springbok squad to tour Europe with the Bulls’ Heini Adams viewed as a better alternative to Fourie du Preez.
Coach Peter de Villiers has also failed to select Bok regulars Jean de Villiers and Frans Steyn, sticking to his policy of favouring locally-based players. De Villiers is currently playing for Munster in Ireland while Steyn is turning out for Paris-based Racing Metro.
The Bok selectors will take nine new caps on tour. Apart from Francois Hougaard, who has been used as a wing in the latter stages of the Bulls’ Currie Cup campaign, Adams will also head to Europe. WP centre Juan de Jongh and Bulls’ flank Dewald Potgieter are two players who’ve shown great promise. After a good season at No 8 for the Cheetahs, Ashley Johnson is also rewarded with a call-up.
Sharks lock Allistair Hargreaves is one of four shock selections, as De Villiers has also opted to include Griquas pair Davon Raubenheimer and Riaan Viljoen, as well as the Bulls’ third-choice hooker Bandise Maku.
Meyer Bosman gets a recall as does Zane Kirchner, who made his debut against the British & Irish Lions earlier this year. Lions loosehead Heinke van der Merwe is a good selection.
De Villiers has also persisted with Earl Rose despite the Lions fullback’s indifferent form.
Cheetahs blindside Juan Smith hasn’t been considered because of injury.
The midweek side will play the first tour fixture against Leicester next Saturday before the Test side line up against France on 13 November. The dirt-trackers take on Saracens the following week while the senior side will face Italy and Ireland on consecutive Saturdays.
Springbok squad:
Forwards: John Smit (c), Victor Matfield (v/c), Beast Mtawarira, Gurthro Steenkamp, Heinke van der Merwe, Bismarck du Plessis, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Bandise Maku, Jannie du Plessis, Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw, Allistair Hargreaves, Andries Bekker, Schalk Burger, Davon Raubenheimer, Heinrich Brussow, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, Dewald Potgieter, Ashley Johnson.
Backs: Fourie du Preez, Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Adi Jacobs, Jaque Fourie, JP Pietersen, Bryan Habana, Odwa Ndungane, Wynand Olivier, Earl Rose, Heini Adams, Meyer Bosman, Juan de Jongh, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Jongi Nokwe, Riaan Viljoen.
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31 Oct 2009, 21:39 pm
#131 SimiJan: A fellow DHS Old Boy made it.
31 Oct 2009, 21:42 pm
#145 BASH!: Earl has never reached his full potential . The reason for his selection has been to allow him a platform to develop. How good would Helgaard Muller have been if the same policy was applied back then ?
Even if Earl doesn’t play on the trip. Or if he plays badly. He must still be selected CONSISTENTLY until he shows us his stuff. The diamond is there – it just needs to be exposed.
31 Oct 2009, 21:42 pm
perhaps it is best not too question the great one while he is at work.
he’s in the kitchen at the stove cooking up a storm.
31 Oct 2009, 21:43 pm
#148 rugbygenius: No he won’t. He’s more likely gonna f*ck it up like he did for his provincial side on countless occasions.
31 Oct 2009, 21:45 pm
#153 Ezee-23: Yes – but even is he is making a few slips and slides IT DOESN’T MATTER. He is learning. He just needs consistent selection. So what if he loses us a game or two ? We need to develop his potential. Sooner rather than later he will set the world alight like ol Cullen or Jason Robinson.
31 Oct 2009, 21:45 pm
#147 cab:
Do understand, scratching me head at old Earl …
Share your sentiments at post 25
That said, reckon this squad can deliver a full set of victories
The test 22 speak for themselves
As for the midweekers, Leicester are not at their best and doubt whether Sarries are going to put out their best 22 (in doing this, risk upsetting the best start they’ve had to a Premiership season in several years)
31 Oct 2009, 21:47 pm
#148 rugbygenius:
I really hope that both you and Div are truelly genius’ and that some of the surprize selections in this squad peform very well. It would be wonderfull for S.A. rugby. Oh and as much as it pains me to say it, Well done Bulls. Cheers people.
31 Oct 2009, 21:48 pm
#151 rugbygenius:
Believe strongly in every coach having the luxury of 1 or 2 personal selections
Earl kinda feels like Jacque Cronje (bless his butterfingers)
Faith from the headcoach whilst not much delivery from the player
31 Oct 2009, 21:48 pm
Repost: “there is a warrant out for his arrest after drinking under the influence of alcohol – didn’t influence selection.” – Ricky is hard. Anybody who drinks while under the influence of alcohol is plain crazy. Thank God he didn’t try drive…..
31 Oct 2009, 21:48 pm
#156 BASH!: Thank you bash . Cheers .
31 Oct 2009, 21:49 pm
#157 Saffa_Guy: President Of The PdV Supporters Club: Earl is there strictly on merit.
31 Oct 2009, 21:50 pm
#156 Saffa_Guy: President Of The PdV Supporters Club:
yes maybe you right, still some guys must feel a bit hard done by, i think thats always the problems with these big sqaud selections. lets hope the back-up talent dont leave egg all over the face and the omelette is not underdone.
31 Oct 2009, 21:51 pm
#154 rugbygenius: “So what if he loses us a game or two?” Are you kidding? Peoples jobs are on the line as well as players’ reputation.
If PdV takes our best side and manages to lose because of an Earl Rose mistake Earl won’t be the one who has to answer to SARU it’ll be PdV and the captain.
You don’t learn on the job, you should arrive having amassed the right credentials and then from there you build on your experience.
31 Oct 2009, 21:55 pm
#162 Ezee-23: The Earl situation is different. Earl is special.
31 Oct 2009, 21:56 pm
#160 rugbygenius:
As I believe was jacque
The respective coache’s believe in them
Me point was rather, despite Jakey’s continual polishing of Jacque, the diamond never shone
IMO, Earl seems similiar
31 Oct 2009, 21:57 pm
a matter of time until derick kuun joins cj and bj in a what could be a quality bok pack! 1st choice hooker overlooked by 2nd and 3rd team. Nokwe is a joke of a selection, Mapoe is an all round player and not just a burst of speed!
31 Oct 2009, 22:02 pm
#161 cab:
True
There are broader issues at play
It would be silly to deny this
Its where we are as a reborn nation right now
With time, do believe the longer term strategic objectives will be achieved with these broaders then playing less of an influence
31 Oct 2009, 22:03 pm
BTW, what’s this sh*t about the Blue Bulls being the first side to win the S14 and CC in the same season? The Vodacom Bulls won the S14 and the Vodacom Blue Bulls won the CC. If the FS Cheetahs won the CC it wouldn’t be the same as the Vodacom Cheetahs S14 side or the difference between WP and the Stormers.
31 Oct 2009, 22:04 pm
I missed this.. are Boland and Leopards still in?
31 Oct 2009, 22:05 pm
#167 David: … who cares?
31 Oct 2009, 22:06 pm
#167 Saffa_Guy: President Of The PdV Supporters Club:
yip, but he;s gotta keep half an eye on the ball – be very sad to undo all that has been achieved this year.
31 Oct 2009, 22:15 pm
Has anybody checked to see how Ricky is handling this? Do me a favour, check all the local pubs
31 Oct 2009, 22:16 pm
Some interesting choices here!
Happy Riaan Viljoen is being given an opporunity, as well as Ashley Johnson (better than Kankowski as back-up for Spies), Juan de Jongh, Francois Hougaard and Dewald Potgieter.
Glad to see Allistair Hargreaves coming through the ranks. Future Bok captain right there.
Very interesting to see Davon Raubenheimer chosen. Don’t know if he’ll ever be international quality. Same goes for Ndungane – would rather have seen Mapoe or even Bjorn Basson in there. Heini Adams, Earl Rose, Bandise Maku and Jongi Nokwe make me wonder if it’s just merit selections though…
Altogether, I’m sad to say, this won’t be enough to defeat France on their home turf. And the Irish will be a close game.
31 Oct 2009, 22:18 pm
#169 SpringbokSarah:
WP could never win the S14, so I do, as well as every other WP supporter should. The media is creating a legend about the Bulls out of ignorance that needs to be stopped now.
It’s like the story that the 2 oceans meet at Cape Point.
31 Oct 2009, 22:20 pm
#168 SpringbokSarah:
Boland’s out.
31 Oct 2009, 22:23 pm
#173 David: WE’RE THE SAME PEOPLE!
Vodacom Bulls and Blue Bulls
Vodacom Cheetahs and FS Cheetahs
Vodacom Stormers and Vodacom Western Province
Auto and General Lions and Golden Lions
We are represented by the same players, same fans, same stadium and the same security guards outside the stadium.
31 Oct 2009, 22:24 pm
#174 David: agh shame our poor neighbors…
31 Oct 2009, 22:25 pm
#175 SpringbokSarah:
Vodacom Cheetahs include Griquas.
Stormers includes Boland.
31 Oct 2009, 22:32 pm
#175 SpringbokSarah:
And please don’t tell me that you also believe the marketing hype that the Indian and Atlantic meet at Cape Point, when they actually meet at Cape Aghulas, the southern most tip of Africa?
31 Oct 2009, 22:33 pm
#4 RedLion: They did not get the cop. They decided to go and play overseas knowing the PdV’s policy of not choosing foreign based players. Get it?
31 Oct 2009, 22:43 pm
Why don’t we just take every player who played CC or Super rugby this season on tour?
Some of you guys are just crazy. There’s only 37 spots open for the tour. I would like it if you guys would also suggest who YOU think should be left out in place of the player that YOU think should have gone on tour.
31 Oct 2009, 22:53 pm
how bizarre
no mapoe
wat de fok my ou?
waar is mapoe
so bizarre
31 Oct 2009, 22:56 pm
#7 David:
They’ll be there come 2012-2018 and they’ll destroy all trying to take then on. Mark my words. WP is nie verniet van Loeriesfontein nie. Die enigste plek in SA met ‘n windpomp museum.
31 Oct 2009, 22:58 pm
then =them
31 Oct 2009, 23:15 pm
#12 puff:
“No Sarel Pretorius.”
Now that is a sentiment I agree with. What di this guy have to do to get higher honours? Play for the Bull’s, Wp or the Sharks? If you are good, then your good, no matter where you play. THIS GUY IS GOOD.
1 Nov 2009, 00:05 am
#17 tarryn:
“our idiot of a coach’
Here we go again. I knew the honeymoon wouldn’t last. Not with SA’s fickle fans. You’re so predictable.
#29 tarryn:
You don’t have to, you know?
1 Nov 2009, 01:13 am
#151 rugbygenius: Earl Rose was selected consistently for the Lions thios season and he didn’t do anything! He doesn’t desrve to be there!
PdV has to justify his selection of Rose and pick him as his number 1 fullback on this tour. Let us judge him then, but he probably will only feature in the week games. If Rose is this amazing talent – a confidence player – why wasn’t he picked at fullback for the Boks when Jantjies got injured? He is being named in the same league as Ruan (and this is not a racial thing!, PdV seems to have the same high regards for both players if you read his statements), but why did did he feature in 3N?
I have nothing against Rose, I just hate it when coaches (all coaches) make these absurd statements and want us to swollowthem!
1 Nov 2009, 01:16 am
#185 nama1: You know, people have a problem when their intellegence get insulted. That is exactly what PdV and Hoskins did with their statements. Do you honestly believe that all the players there are picked on merit?
1 Nov 2009, 01:59 am
No, I don’t,
Do you honestly believe that all Bok teams in the past were selected on merit. Example, Adrian Richter ahead of Tiaan Strauss in 1995 WC squad?
1 Nov 2009, 02:14 am
#187 fsjakes:
I do however believe that it is the prerogative of the coach to select whoever he thinks will suite his game plan/long term vision or any other reason he sees fit.
My role as a supporter is exactly that: support the coach in his decisions as I am not privvie to all the behind the scenes stuff. I am not going to wait to see how many games he win before I decide to support him, like so many did since his appointment. I’ll rather support him until he starts losing regularly before I jump on him.
1 Nov 2009, 03:06 am
Eish I see Hollywood are at it again with Invictus:
Morgan Freeman’s accent is pretty bad for a so-called method actor – he pronounces Francois with an american accent! And Matt Damon just looks too boyish to be Francois Pienaar, he does do a better job with the accent than Di Caprio ala Blood Diamond – god that was a kak attempt!
I suppose its good that it will give rugby exposure and SA is being presented in a more positive light for a change but the whole thing is ruined for me by actors like Freeman and Damon acting like they usually do.
I have to say that in District 9 and Tsotsi were revelations of South African films being purely South African made and featuring homegrown actors not so self obsessed Hollywood types pretending to be South Africans.
1 Nov 2009, 03:10 am
#191 Crouching Tiger Hidden Bokke: I see you cant post links on here…just go to youtube and you can find a link to the trailer there or at rugby dump.
1 Nov 2009, 03:36 am
#186 fsjakes:
Earl Rose is nothing more/ nothing less than Snor’s nephew-in-law!
He’s hond-kak…
1 Nov 2009, 06:51 am
It will be nice to see JS leads a ‘Boks’ team with Rose, Steenkamp. Chiliboy, Johnson, Nokwe, Ndungane and Jacobs,,,,
Gee, Mrconet, Maas and Swesrsky scruming down against Steenkamp and Chiliboy and The Beast
The Boks will have to rush Shimanga as a replacement
1 Nov 2009, 07:56 am
Tremendously dissapointing team. So much more young talent that could have made the cut
1 Nov 2009, 12:20 pm
What…..Raubenheimer of Griquas ahead of Francois Louw, Duane Vermeulen, Frans Viljoen, Willem Alberts & Deon Stegman??? This cannot be true! Also, no Wicas Blauw, Wian du Preez & WP Nel…this is a traversty! Earl Rose ahead of Joe Pietersen, Hennie Daniller as well as Peter Grant & J-L Potgieter?
The selections for this tour must rank as one of the wierdest, non-sensical selections since Straueli was in charge!
1 Nov 2009, 12:26 pm
Then not to mention Chilliboy & Maku or whateva his name is as back hookers…..gee wizz….Liebenberg is the stand out hooker of the Currie Cup….not to mention Adriaan Strauss….how on earth does a 3rd rate hooker get selected into a Bok team ahead of worthy candidates???
1 Nov 2009, 13:59 pm
#12 puff:
Heargreaves is a former sa U/21 captain, Huge potential,
whats the point of recognising talent early on and forgetting abt them, look what happened to Rathbone, better to keep them in the system and the best place to show the faith that was already passed on is an EOYT
Mapoe very unlucky i must say,but thats the problem in SA
too many blacks on the wing
Odwa was in the team that beat NZ in NZ this year and there’s no reason he should now be axed,
Nokwe on the otherhand i wouldnt have been sad to see dropped but he does have international experience. its a toughie
ont compare Riaan Viljoen, Odwa Ndungane and Mapoe. Latter 2 r wings, Viljoen is a fullback with a HUGE boot
thats how we breed them in Kimberley, look out for another boot in the form of Francois Steyn
1 Nov 2009, 14:01 pm
#17 tarryn: i hate to say this but this sounds like a comment from a girl
1 Nov 2009, 14:05 pm
#44 Klinchkie: I guess the greatvthing abt SA rugby is we can have such debates
i dont rate Rose either..but i think PdV has earned the right to have 1 or 2 “coaches pick” in a squad of 37
with that said..can every1 leave the earl Rose debate to bed now
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