Comments on: Leicester 22 SA XV 17

By: cab

cab — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:16:02 +0000

not at all surprised, thought it would happen, even the next best in SA would struggle and they were not picked.

as per usual, our first XXII us far in front of their compatriots, but as per usual ppl judge our crap CC scrumming, which is no standard at all

By: WakaNathan

WakaNathan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:05:27 +0000

#805 Transformation:

“how verbose (I) can be…” ??!!!!

fella, my posts are like Dodos on a diet compared to yours !

By: trophymaster

trophymaster — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:34:14 +0000

Leicester Tigers dished out lessons – a bitter pill (more like a suppository) but I hope South Africa take these lessons and learn…

By: bok2007

bok2007 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:19:50 +0000

#846 skopskiet: Yes and there prolly are also more whites murdered and robbed here by blacks then Togonese murdered and robbed by whites in Togo.

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:39:02 +0000

#848 skopskiet: Exactly, you just said in two lines what I was trying to say in 200. Anyway, catch you later, time for some shut eye too.

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:37:07 +0000

#846 skopskiet: I catch your drift, but I’m not sure I agree with it mate. From a South African perspective, yes, I understand what you are saying, but there is fear, ignorance, and a lot of history involved in your example. A lot of water passed under the bridge, and from a black mans point of view, I can imagine it must be as intimidating going to a fancy Constantia house as it would be for me to go to Khayalitsha. I have been beofre, to a friends house, and I don’t mind telling you, I was scared. But it’s down to mistrust and ignorance, foisted on us for years by a government with a separatist agenda. And it’s too soon to change when the gulf between rich and poor is still largely associated in the minds as the gulf between black and white.

But comparing that to Togo requires a shift in mindset. It is desperately poor, yes, but the white/black situation has been replaced by have/have not’s. And the people I know and the contact I have had doesn’t compare because the same people are forced down by the people who replaced the colonialists, not a rich minority of whites. Rather a core of black politicians and businessmen who control the country and keep a hold through fear and AK47’s. This is their reference point and the people who control power, are their ‘whites’. I know they would be far more intimidated by visiting a fancy house owned by a rich black dude than they would coming to my place. I pose no threat to them, never have, and the colonialists are long gone so the colour of my skin doesn’t matter. But if I was the Minister of Energy, then it would be a different matter.

By: skopskiet

skopskiet — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:28:03 +0000

definitely time for some shut eye now. Adios.

By: skopskiet

skopskiet — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:26:01 +0000

seems up there in Accra its the white man that is finally getting to terms with his inherent humanity and become civilized mingling with his fellow human associates. Down here its still largely you stay this side of the track and I’ll stay that side and never the twain shall meet, until they emigrate to Nz or Australia then they mingle like f.ng flies. Sies Tackler can say that again sies on you, chicken runner.

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:19:09 +0000

#845 Valkyrie: Thanks big boy. Be gentle with me next time.

By: skopskiet

skopskiet — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:17:01 +0000

precisely Jock bok it is a more mature openly respectful society because they haven’t been treated like down grade second class inferior citizens by a small minded insular fear ridden minority for a whole period of oppression through a whole series of generations subjected to such oppression. Why should we even have a Khyalitsha here when right across the road we have first world Somerset West with all the frills and first world trappings that come with it. Yet if you visit a Togonese household there you’d be made to feel most welcome and respected. Let a Togonese come visit the average white home in Somerset West for a reciprical bout of hospitality and check the fear and disdain that he’ll get subjected to. Get a load of the irony now? Catch my drift a little, or not quite yet?
Even a visit to the average Khyalitsha shack would result in more hospitality from the downtrodden poor to the upper crust white than the other way around even here. So again I ask the very simple question, who carries more resentment and racial intolerance towards his fellow man in general terms, the lowly humble black man or the privileged educated white? Answer don’t need rocket science to make the deduction.

By: Valkyrie

Valkyrie — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:16:58 +0000

#842 JockBok: out of here now.take it easy now and may the forces of peace be with you.

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:13:51 +0000

#841 Valkyrie: Excellent, you are still here. And coming up with a few good points too!!! It appears we are arguing over different things. 1916 is a different kettle of dish altogether, and it would be hard to argue that the Irish were not justified in taking up arms to remove an unpopular colonial power. I'll give you that one. Northern Ireland is another story however. And my people are not cowards my friend, apolitical and apathetic perhaps, but thankfully content to argue through a ballot box rather than using violence.

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:12:21 +0000

Whipped by Leicester…. Sis man!

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:05:42 +0000

Aw Valkyrie, have you gone? And I was so enjoying your reasoned debate.

By: Valkyrie

Valkyrie — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:04:49 +0000

#830 JockBok: i understand your problem down in scotland but the fact of the matter is that the majority of the irish supported the ira in their fight for freedom .you might consider them as a terror organisation but their people in 1916 saw them as freedom fighters.britain and america considerd the anc also as a terrorist organisation,nelson mandela was still a person non grata as per american legislation while into his presidency so what for you are terrorists are for others freedom fighter and heroes.good luck to your peaceful struggle for independence.

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:58:55 +0000

#835 skopskiet: I'm not sure I get your point and I can't see where the irony comes into it either. Simply put, I live in a country that resembles Khayaleitsha, but I can enter there and engage freely with anyone and everyone, whereas in Khayaleitsha, I would be rather scared. The point is, the rest of Africa is far more mature than South Africa, and it's a wake up call experiencing it. I took a friend, a black Togolese, to an Irish pub in Accra last night and he smiled from ear to ear all night, not shutting up about how he'd never been in such an environment where 99% of the people around him were white. So maybe you just need to move your reference point Skop, and stop judging everything from a South African point of view. It certainly helped me!

By: skopskiet

skopskiet — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:54:40 +0000

yeah its late, rather its early, and I.m also getting kinda tired now

So see you on the next shift
Dont be late

By: charo

charo — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:54:11 +0000

#833 Transformation:

before i finally hit the sack.

kumasi (asante) is a great place – high in the hills and cool at night.
winneba is near cape coast – the area where the old university is and the slave castles – quite historic.

By: nama1

nama1 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:52:15 +0000

if=when

By: JockBok

JockBok — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:50:43 +0000

#829 AlanD: Nice, but you can have the Guinness, I’ll have the Jamesons