Rankings carrot for Dragons
6 Nov 2009
Wales will move from eighth to fourth in the IRB world rankings if they beat the All Blacks convincingly in Cardiff on Saturday.
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The Welsh, though, have not beaten New Zealand since 1953, the All Blacks having won 20 Tests in a row, the most recent a 29-9 success at the Millennium Stadium last year.
The closest Wales have come to victory in this time are two one-point losses in 2004 and 1978, but if they can break this losing streak they will climb a minimum of two places to sixth in the rankings. However, they could climb as high as fourth, providing that they were to beat New Zealand by more than 15 points and England condemn Australia to a seventh defeat of 2009 by a similar margin at Twickenham.
In this instance, New Zealand would see their ranking fall by over two points – leaving them four behind the No 1-ranked Boks – and Australia drop two places to equal their lowest ever position of fifth.
Australia’s slide would see Ireland rise to third for the first time in three years and Wales to fourth. It would also leave the Wallabies sitting less than three tenths above England in sixth.
England will climb one place in victory, regardless of the winning margin, with a positive result for Wales also resulting in two place falls for France and Argentina to seventh and eighth respectively.
Wales could actually climb a place to seventh in the rankings even in defeat, with a third Australian victory in four visits to Twickenham leading to a one place fall for England to eighth.
New Zealand can close to within a point of the Springboks with another emphatic victory – six of their last seven in Cardiff have all been by a minimum of 20 points – and even a similar win by Australia will still leave them trailing the All Blacks by more than four points.
Source: irb.com
160 Comments
6 Nov 2009, 08:24 am
go wales!
6 Nov 2009, 08:34 am
#1 grant10:
Why, you don’t like the AB’S. I say go Kiwis, go Bokke, go Aussies . Show the NH teams who’s boss.
6 Nov 2009, 08:36 am
GOOD LUCK ALL BLACKS. FLY THE SH FLAG HIGH.
GO ALL BLACKS.
6 Nov 2009, 08:38 am
#2 Jozi: I will never ever never support the kiwis….ever!
Same for Aussies…cant stand them kissing cousins….
Rather Irish, Wales,Scotland,Argies,etc….
Only support Aussies if they play Kiwis…
Personally i will never support Kiwis…
6 Nov 2009, 08:59 am
#4 grant10: It’s the UK media that I can’t tolerate. Go read some of Stephen Jones’ work.
We have a few nutters in the SH as well ala Spiro Zavos but the UK media for me are terrible. If any of their teams were world beaters I’d cut them some slack but most of their teams are just plain kak.
Hell I hope the AB’S give those over-hyped cobblers a shellacking of note. I’d hate to hear their gloating after the game.
6 Nov 2009, 09:21 am
#5 Jozi: i live in wales and i’d have to move if wales beat NZ, we’ll never hear the ned of it
6 Nov 2009, 09:33 am
#6 mbaxman93: Bwahahahahaha exactly my point. Can you imagine and god forbid if the poms, wales and Leicester tigers win this weekend?
6 Nov 2009, 09:43 am
#7 Jozi: it’ll be even worse if the poms wins ,stephen jones and co will have a field day ,you shud hear all the trash talking going on in pubs down here ,its unbearable
6 Nov 2009, 09:44 am
Eighth? To fourth?
Why bother?
Nobody cares.
It matters if you’re FIRST. And then if you’re not first, it matters if you’re about to be first.
Is there any point in anything other than first?
No.
6 Nov 2009, 09:47 am
#9 TheTackler: it does matter !! if the irish and welsh win and go up in the rankings then its almost guaranteed with the biased IRB tht te team of the year will be IReland and player of the year will be BOD!!!!and i dnt think i could live with tht
6 Nov 2009, 09:48 am
Not gonna happen.
After this weekend it will be Southern Hemisphere 1, Northern Hemisphere 0.
Of course I’ll be rooting for Wales, but they’re still going to lose.
As for Eng vs Aus, the English have a snowball’s hope.
6 Nov 2009, 09:53 am
#11 Windhoek.Lager: I think might win this one. Wilkinson is back and playing well and England have what Aus are lacking at the moment: BMT.
It’s an outside chance, but it’s a chance. Wales though don’t have any hope in hell to beat NZ.
6 Nov 2009, 10:00 am
#8 mbaxman93: Mate I think I have an idea. I used to blog on the BBC 606 boards and I know how one eyed they can be sometimes.
It doesn’t really matter if you’re the best in the world like the Aussies were in cricket for a long time but crowing when you have sweet blow nothing to crow about……
6 Nov 2009, 11:27 am
looking at the irb ranking, is anyone able to explain why germany is not present at all. no, the tru question is : for what strange reason doesn’t rugby have appeal at all for the germans ? i would think the germans could be very good at it, both phisically and mentally, simply they don’t seem to like it. god knows for what reason …
6 Nov 2009, 12:48 pm
Not gonna happen. Aus are kak, but Eng are worse. And NZ are not ranked 10 points better than Wales for no reason (and vise versa). Plus, Gatland has been shoosting his mouth off to motivate the ABs
6 Nov 2009, 12:53 pm
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6 Nov 2009, 13:15 pm
#2 Jozi:
I dont go in for this Hemisphere-loyalty to be honest. I didnt grow up dreaming of “…..playing for the Southern Hemisphere….”.
Ive never supported an Australian team – of any description – my whole life, why would I start now ?
Ive never ‘wanted’ the Boks to beat any other rugby team either nor does it annoy me when they do (unless its vs NZ og course) but nonchalant/happy-for any other sports of SAs to succeed. I would support Boks against Engl every time tho and, obviously as per above, vs Aus too. I supported the Boks in the Stade de France in 2007, no problems. But it wasnt a ‘Hemisphere’ thing. I would want France to beat the Boks but more because I like France than dislike SA, know wha Im sayin’.
Otherwise this pro or ante-NH/SH is as contrived as Halloween in some countries, a retail beat-up.
Nah – this Hemisphere gig doesnt work until some time in the future when the end of season Superduper Finale will have a ‘Allstars’-style selection of 6Nations vs 4Nations, and even then you will have inconsistencies without involving Polynesia/Asia/EasternEurope etc.
If that could happen tho, bring it on – thats Fantasy stuff for saddo bloggers such as ourselves….
Interesting concept tho fellas. Do your current pre-EOYT NH vs SH Fantasy XVs (XXIIs) and then, later, compare it with the post-EOYT XVs.
capische ?
6 Nov 2009, 13:25 pm
#2 Jozi: Jozi my bro, that SH loyalty thing is an illusion. The Kiwis and Aussies dont share (some) Saffas’ feeling on hemisphere.
I would always want the result that benefits the Boks. If Wales beats NZ, then the Boks pull away and go “further” to #1.
As Tackler says #9 TheTackler (and I NEVER thought I would agree with or quote Tackler) it only matters if you are first.
The Boks are 1st again – where they should be. And they need to extend that lead… so GO WALES.
6 Nov 2009, 13:26 pm
#17 WakaNathan: i agree…personally i hope the kiwis lose every test….same as Aussies…even support the aussies against Kiwis…and dammit thats a tall order.
6 Nov 2009, 13:27 pm
#18 bokfan1: agree…stuff the kiwis and aussies!
6 Nov 2009, 13:27 pm
#4 grant10: Well said man – I too will never support the Kiwis. I’d support the Aussies over the Kiwis and England but no one else.
I really dont understand this love-affair that Saffas have with the Southern Hemisphere?! As if we are all buddies – those 2 teams are our biggest threats!
Rather the Argies, Welsh, France etc
But luckily we were blessed to be born to support the most magnificent team ever – THE BOKKE!
6 Nov 2009, 13:31 pm
#21 bokfan1: Amen….never a Kiwi….only aussies against Kiwis…even support the poms before those 2 x colluding…SAffa hating kissing cousins….too much blood in the water…kiwis dropped us too many times…aussies just downright untrustworthy!!
Stuff that….Boks,,,,everyone else…then aussies…never ever Kiwis
6 Nov 2009, 13:44 pm
#17 WakaNathan: Neither do I but anything to keep some of the UK hacks who call themselves knowledgeable rugby journos quite. It’s not loyalty per se Waka.
In the cricket I support my chokers first and anybody else who plays against the Aussies….see it’s not about loyalty to the SH. That’s just something for the brainwashed naïve folks
The Aussie media do give a fair bit of lip but more often than not their teams actually back it up on the pitch the same can’t always be said about the UK teams.
Win one game and hooray…we’re the best in the world, we’re going to dominate the world….yarra yarra.
It’s nothing personal just my opinion and preference.
Although Aussies can be annoying sometimes, I respect their mental strength and their ability to perform consistently and achieve excellent results in any sport.
If I had to choose who to support between NH/SH rugby teams I’d almost always go for the SH teams provided the Bokke interests were not in jeopardy. Their rugby is far more enterprising.
Who wants to watch 10 men rugby being played in 5 inches of mud?
6 Nov 2009, 13:47 pm
#18 bokfan1: I know broer.#19 grant10: #21 bokfan1: Guys I do hope you’re joking with this whole anti Aussie, Kiwi thing cause it’s not very cool.
6 Nov 2009, 13:51 pm
#21 bokfanny1:
Blessed to support the “2nd most magnificent Team ever”. Is a more factual statement.
6 Nov 2009, 13:55 pm
#25 cane: No mate, I was referring to South Africans, not NZers… You guys are “blessed” with the 2nd best (and that is debatable)
6 Nov 2009, 14:01 pm
#24 Jozi: Jozi my china, why would we be joking?! Dont you think our reasons are good?
Its not about supporting northern hemisphere really (my 2nd team is Argies) its more about supporting the team that has the best outcome for Bokke.
Our “fellow” Sanzar partners dropped us with our bid for 2011. They have colluded to make the S14 and Tri Nations as difficult as possible for SA for too long.
Do you forget last year’s Tri Nations when Vic was captain and he went over to speak to the ref and McCaw waved him away?!
That is total disrespect for a fellow captain and most un-sportsman-like.
So dont stick up for the Kiwis and support them when they plainly have no respect for the Boks – well now they do cos they Boks walloped them
6 Nov 2009, 14:01 pm
#24 Jozi:
I reach across the Oceans………the Time Zones….the cultural divide…………….and clasp you to my bosom (metaphorically), kiss you on both checks (in the manner Slavic people do….I hope Jozi is short for Jocelyn).
If not Jocelyn …….it was a hand shake.
6 Nov 2009, 14:05 pm
#28 cane: “Jozi” is the slang for Johannesburg here in SA
6 Nov 2009, 14:05 pm
#27 bokfan1:
Grow up Fanny……….How about the AB’s turn up to play a Test Match at Kings Park and the Official Program, has photo of some Saffa Thug punching Andy Dalton from behind.
6 Nov 2009, 14:06 pm
#28 cane: LOL – very good Cane! Jozi is slang for Johannesburg, so there is a lot of love there for you to embrace
6 Nov 2009, 14:08 pm
this is gonna be the biggest opportunity for wales to beat NZ this yr with the kiwis not having the quality like they are used to
6 Nov 2009, 14:08 pm
#30 cane: Easy on the commands Cane. This is not a SANZAR board meeting where the Saffas are expected to obey the Kiwis
That would be a great story… there’s another fairytale that goes “Once upon a time there was this fairy named Suzie and she made hamburgers for all the All Blacks in 95…”
brilliant fiction
6 Nov 2009, 14:10 pm
#29 Sharksgirl:
Then it was a handshake.
But you get the Slavic embrace.
And Bokfanny gets a kick in the nuts.
6 Nov 2009, 14:12 pm
#27 bokfan1: I still think you’re joking. I can’t imagine that there are too many Saffas who share that view. The AB’S are an awesome team and they have earned my respect. Aussie sportsmen have also earned my respect (I just wish they’d shut up sometimes)
Naah boet I’m not yet convinced by the likes of England etc.
#28 cane: Whooaa Caney….A hand shake it was then.
6 Nov 2009, 14:15 pm
#17 WakaNathan:
so, on 6N vs 4N (incl Argies)
Superduper Finale pre-EOYT XVs:-
NH XV
15. R.Kearney
14. M.Medard
13. B.O’Driscoll
12. J.Roberts
11. C.Heymans
10. J.Wilkinson
9. M.Phillips
8. S.Parisse
7. M.Williams
6. T.Dusutoir (Capt)
5. P.O’Connell
4. L.Nallet
3. M.Castrogiovanni
2. W.Servat
1. G.Jenkin
Bench: I.Harinordoquy; S.Chabal; S.Marconnet; M.Mermoz; J.Flannery; F.Michalak; J.Dupuy
SH XV
15. JM.Hernandez
14. B.Habana
13. C.Smith
12. Jd.Villiers
11. S.Sivivatu
10. D.Carter
9. Fd.Preez
8. P.Spies
7. R.McCaw
6. R.Elsom
5. B.Botha
4. V.Matfield
3. J.Smit (Capt)
2. Bd.Plessis
1. T.Woodcock
Bench: F.Steyn; M.Steyn; M.Nonu; J.Cowan; A.Hore; B.Thorn; J.Smith; Beast
Lets see how they stack up after the next 5 weeks of action.
6 Nov 2009, 14:16 pm
#34 cane:
ouch!
6 Nov 2009, 14:18 pm
#29 Sharksgirl: Yeah if he’s that desparate for hugs, I’ll take him on a short visit to Berea via Hillbrow….I know many “Jocelyns” who won’t mind helping him out
6 Nov 2009, 14:19 pm
#34 cane: You’re welcome to try Cane
#35 Jozi: unfortunately some Saffas might not agree with our views.
I respect the ABs as a team of course, I like a lot of the players etc. and I have no problems with Aussie players either.
That is a different subject to blindly supporting them because they are “Southern Hemisphere” – which is what you proposed. Lets not confuse the 2.
You can respect the team and the players, but as the Boks closest competition, and especially as the respect is not reciprocated by them, you shouldnt be appealing to some fantastical notion of a Southern hemisphere alliance boet
6 Nov 2009, 14:21 pm
#36 WakaNathan: 13. C.Smith????!
HAHAHAHAHA whatever.
Jacque Fourie
6. R.Elsom???? Brussow
rest of the team, not bad
6 Nov 2009, 14:26 pm
#38 Jozi: shew don’t know if he could handle all “those” hugs
6 Nov 2009, 14:28 pm
#40 bokfan1:
BaXXies !!!!
Im not sure youre right tho, is that the EXACT quote that, allegedly, Conrad muttered as he waltzed pass Jacque ?
I dont he think he would be so crass tho, classy guy that Smith fella – creates and finishes.
Brussow is a like-for-like selection with McCaw, in my books.
Elsom is a like-for-like selection with Juan Smith.
6 Nov 2009, 14:33 pm
Interesting to nb that in a Walesonline.co.uk Live Poll to answer the Ques:-
“Will Wales beat the All Blacks” ?
47.1% say YES
45.9% say NO.
The Boyos are cockahoop in the Valleys and Gatland seems to have guaranteed an unbelievable atmosphere at the Millenium Stadium tomorrow. Smart man that Gats.
6 Nov 2009, 14:34 pm
#39 bokfan1: “That is a different subject to blindly supporting them because they are “Southern Hemisphere” – which is what you proposed. Lets not confuse the 2.”
You may have misunderstood my post at #2 it had nothing to do with NH/SH blind loyalty etc but more to do with my belief that those 3 teams play a far more enterprising brand of rugby as compared to their NH counterparts and as such they get my support.
That coupled with the fact that in my view the NH sides do far more talking than playing anyway.
As for the board room shenanigans between Saffas, Aussies & NZ….I honestly don’t give a d*mn. The Saffa administrators have done far worse things to the game locally than O’Neill and his mates have done to them….not condoning it just saying….
Some people may see it as “gatkruiping” but my respect for those teams still stands. The other staff about Richie is petty imo.
6 Nov 2009, 14:39 pm
#24 Jozi: stuff that…i am deadly serious!
6 Nov 2009, 14:40 pm
#27 bokfan1: and that Ces Blazey Kiwi done us out a football WC…stuff them
6 Nov 2009, 14:43 pm
I would rather support the Outer Mongolian 15 than the Kiwis….Blazey you dog!
6 Nov 2009, 14:44 pm
#46 grant10: Yeah that guy knows how to spoil parties….Charles Dempsey was his name. I believe he passed on.
6 Nov 2009, 14:45 pm
#46 grant10:
Ces Blazey as President of the NZRU, was the ******** who issued the Invitation for the Boks to Tour NZ in 81.
Ces was your friend Bokfanny.
6 Nov 2009, 14:47 pm
#46 grant10:
Ces Blazey is as Kiwi as KP is a Pom.
6 Nov 2009, 14:47 pm
#44 Jozi: Ah ok – fair point Jozi and maybe I did misunderstand your post.
They do play more enteprising rugby than most NH teams (exception of France and Wales probably?)
And you make a VERY good point about SARU messing up more than SANZAR- hahaha a very good one
I dont think its gatkruiping at all – your reasons are purely rugby, while some of our reasons are not – so probably have the right viewpoint
A lot of the older Saffas support the ABs too because of the Cavalier tours and that kind of thing I think – the NZ govt spent $8 million protecting the Boks and the games on the “flourbomb” tour, so there is a debt there they feel in way.
And most of us are taught when we are laaities to respect/admire/support the ABs by our dads and Uncles who lived through the bad old days, so it is expected that a lot of Saffas feel that way.
Sorry my cuz, dont want to cause any stress – we are all entitled to support who we want of course
Thankfully we have the mighty Boks to support hey?
Enjoy it bro
6 Nov 2009, 14:47 pm
#47 grant10:
I agree Blazey was a Dog.
81 was no picnic.
6 Nov 2009, 14:47 pm
#49 cane: I rest my case!
6 Nov 2009, 14:48 pm
#52 cane:Yeah ….tough times.
6 Nov 2009, 14:49 pm
#46 grant10: Eish I didnt even know THAT story! That one sounds much better than the fiction Cane was trying to feed me in #30 cane
6 Nov 2009, 14:49 pm
#51 bokfan1: Correct…we can all support who we like….except me…mention J Smit as a kak 3 and its back to the trnch and bunker!!
6 Nov 2009, 14:51 pm
#49 cane: #50 WakaNathan: Sorry…Charles Dempsey the Anti ******…
6 Nov 2009, 14:52 pm
#53 grant10: Case rested and won. Court adjourned
#56 grant10: Hahahaha you better start running dude
6 Nov 2009, 14:53 pm
#49 cane:
Put brain immediately in to reverse there Cane.
Blazey was NZ Football Chairman who voted agin SA as Football WC Host 100yrs ago or so (G10s gripe). He got the job at the time for being most-British candidate by default, back in the days when there were about 17 soccer players in NZ.
6 Nov 2009, 14:55 pm
#57 grant10:
correct, Charles Demsey. I fell for that curveball too.
Sorry Cane !
6 Nov 2009, 14:55 pm
#43 WakaNathan:
wonder how the other 7% voted?
this whole nh/sh thingy was started by stephen jones of the times if i remember correctly.
it was him, around 2002/2003, who was going on about the england style of rugby versus the powderpuff aus and kiwi styles.
made worse a few years later when the elv’s were seen as a sh thing to soften hard forward play.
6 Nov 2009, 14:56 pm
#61 charo:
7% – ‘too close to call/Draw’
6 Nov 2009, 15:00 pm
#51 bokfan1: Ok my man we’re cool….now GO BOKKE!!! I won’t say more than that.
6 Nov 2009, 15:04 pm
#57 grant10:
you’d struggle to understand a word the ‘Kiwi’ Dempsey spoke, unless you were familiar with broad-Glaswegian drrrrrrawl. Despite dying in NZ last year at age 87yrs, he still lived most of his life in Scotland. If he ever came on Sports News in NZ, noone could understand him. No wonder he got the post as NZ Soccer Fed Chairman as the token-Brit.
Hence the KP analogy.
So, G10, I hope youve based your AB-allergy on firmer foundations that a dimwitted Glaswegian with an association-by-marriage role with a minor NZ sport.
6 Nov 2009, 15:06 pm
#61 charo:
When a man has to feel proud of his Hemisphere………..things are getting tough.
6 Nov 2009, 15:09 pm
#64 WakaNathan: also a case of being around when Bob Skinstads ‘injury ‘ occurred….no..scars too deep…i like you fellows…will never support you lot though….
Especially that wanker Justin Marshall..
6 Nov 2009, 15:09 pm
#65 cane: I can tell you have no pride in your hemisphere. The army can sort a man like you out.
6 Nov 2009, 15:11 pm
#62 WakaNathan:
hmmmm…can’t accuse the taffs of being negative then.
actually, like the welsh – only part of uk where football is not the biggest sport.
watched a few games at millenium (wales/japan 1999rwc and wales/boks 2007). they really put on a show with the choirs and the paasion is palpable.
dangerous thing is all those those pubs so close by.
6 Nov 2009, 15:12 pm
#66 grant10:
Which would be to agree on that 1 point a hearty Yes.
I call your Bob Skinstad and raise you an Andy Dalton.
6 Nov 2009, 15:13 pm
#65 cane:
comes from being a welsh born english supporter
6 Nov 2009, 15:15 pm
#69 WakaNathan: exactly….another despicable act….so lets stop this Southerrn hospitality charade and be honest….nothing gives me greater satisfaction than beating…or watching someone else …beat the kiwis….
6 Nov 2009, 15:16 pm
#65 cane:
Hemisphere loyalty; thats the best rugby logic I never heard.
6 Nov 2009, 15:18 pm
#64 WakaNathan:
Charlie Dempsey was still a great Soccer man.
And he carried the Votes of not only NZ, ………but of Fiji, Vanuatu, PNG, The Solomons, Samoa, and the entire Oceania Conference.
And before he cast his final vote……. he consulted with each and every National Association……And they were unanimous…………. Democracy it is called I think.
Something some people are not quite used to yet.
6 Nov 2009, 15:19 pm
#72 WakaNathan: Hemisphere loyalty comes after continent loyalty. But you guys wouldn’t know. You don’t have one.
Or are you part of Australia?
6 Nov 2009, 15:20 pm
#71 grant10:
and to whom do we refer to as supporting this ‘Southern Hospitality Charade’ ?
BonFan1 seems to be getting his nappies in a twist about it but then he probably also gets no less as passionate about his Dora the Explorer stories.
6 Nov 2009, 15:21 pm
Charlie……….if there was ever a greater Soccer Man anywhere.
I have not met Him.
Why do some of you Saffas think everything should be Yours by Rite.
6 Nov 2009, 15:23 pm
#66 grant10: Byron Kelleher also dude – he grates my gherkin
6 Nov 2009, 15:23 pm
#74 katman:
oh God, just when you thought nothing was more pathetic than ‘Hemsiphere loyalty’ along comes the Apocolypse of Useless Loyalty Grandaddys in
‘Continent Loyalty’.
Hey, lets all join hands and give Planet Earth a Big Hug – we’re gonna need it when the Mars XV rock on up next week.
6 Nov 2009, 15:23 pm
#73 cane: Hypocrisy and treason….he abstained…the bloody old fool!!!
Spin it whatever way you like…it is not forgotten…
And never will be forgiven.
6 Nov 2009, 15:23 pm
#74 katman: Hahahaha, sore point
6 Nov 2009, 15:25 pm
#76 cane:
that is the clincher right there, Cane.
You can sign off now, your work here is done.
6 Nov 2009, 15:25 pm
#67 katman:
The Army would have loved to have gotten there hands on me.
Peace and Love………….don’t exactly go with…………….. Kill or be killed.
6 Nov 2009, 15:26 pm
#75 WakaNathan: LOL…..glad we understand the rivalry…..if we cant beat you lot….may anyone else do the job….
Hope Poms and Wales do the business tomorrow…..
6 Nov 2009, 15:26 pm
#78 WakaNathan: You talk a big talk, but it’s depressing to see how you lot sidle up to Australia for a sense of belonging when the Pacific isolation gets too much.
6 Nov 2009, 15:27 pm
#70 charo: Are you really? Man thats a dangerous life for a Welshman to lead!
#71 grant10: Ive grown to love you man
6 Nov 2009, 15:27 pm
Roll on 2011….
Choke time!!
6 Nov 2009, 15:29 pm
#85 bokfan1: LOL…careful now….i may ruin the friendship with my J Smit cant scrum for toffee stance!!
6 Nov 2009, 15:30 pm
#83 grant10:
y’see, thats where we take the fork in the road.
You can talk about ‘treason & hypocricy’ all you like, but ‘support’ and ‘Poms’ in the same sentence is not the path I choose. Unless theyre playing Australia.
6 Nov 2009, 15:30 pm
#73 cane:
talking of perfect democracies, i see all is not rosey in your part of the world with that maori party fella calling the whities racist….lol…for citicism about his little jaunt to paris
6 Nov 2009, 15:32 pm
#88 WakaNathan: On a serious note i see Carter may be out …Gatland reckons he is out…
6 Nov 2009, 15:33 pm
#88 WakaNathan: Dont like the poms either actually….Kiwis…then Aussies…then Poms ….
Boks, Irish and Argies….and whoever plays kiwis….
6 Nov 2009, 15:33 pm
#84 katman:
No, thats just your pathetic little answer to any Question that you dont like the sound of. As Cane succinctly said, unless its ‘SAs by Rite’, then there is always a convenient fallback option to help explain it all away.
NZ & Aus in collusion in anything is just naive and ignorant.
6 Nov 2009, 15:34 pm
#84 katman:
Don’t you start with the Bull-**** Katman.
The Difference between an Ozzie and a Jappie …………..not a great deal.
6 Nov 2009, 15:35 pm
#93 cane: Jappie? Is that slang for a Japanese person?
6 Nov 2009, 15:36 pm
#90 grant10:
Gatland said that last night. Something based on Leonards selection for combination with the Duck.
Word from my spies in ABs HQ is that DC is training as we speak, the Capts Run.
6 Nov 2009, 15:36 pm
#92 WakaNathan: Come on, we’re all well-informed world citizens here. And we all know that NZ is basically the “channel islands” of Australia. Without the offshore tax benefits, of course. You can’t try and spin it any other way.
6 Nov 2009, 15:37 pm
#94 bokfan1:
tell us, Bokfan1, what is your name slang for ?
Answers on the back of a postcard please.
6 Nov 2009, 15:38 pm
#73 cane: LOL
#74 katman: LOL
#76 cane: Anyone who says no to the humble requests of Madiba is a tosser in my book.
#78 WakaNathan: LOL
#84 katman: LOL
My ribs are sore.
6 Nov 2009, 15:40 pm
#94 bokfan1:
No it’s the Christian name of Jappie Mulder.
A Springbok Centre of a few year back.
A Kiddie Fiddler.
6 Nov 2009, 15:41 pm
#96 katman:
Niether can you old boy, naive & ignorant.
And, to prove a point, NZ does have a Trust law that gives it a tax-break advantage – a clear disticntion – for corporate transactions, let alone those available to indivduals (Capital Gains on private property), over Australia.
6 Nov 2009, 15:42 pm
#99 cane: Our real kiddie fiddler is an Afrikaans singer called Jurie Els. And, ironically, he’s emigrated to NZ.
(I assume because it’s practically legal there.)
6 Nov 2009, 15:43 pm
#96 katman:
nz papers report on oz stock market as headlines.
nz stock market (if one exists) is on the inside pages
6 Nov 2009, 15:43 pm
#99 cane:
And Hey…….anyone who thinks my Post 99 was out of line……………read the thread from top to bottom.
6 Nov 2009, 15:44 pm
#100 WakaNathan: Oh, so you you are in fact Australia’s Isle of Man?
6 Nov 2009, 15:45 pm
#102 charo: NZ stock market is just another name for a sheep auction.
6 Nov 2009, 15:46 pm
#102 charo:
Which page are the Murder stats hidden on in the Cape Argus ?
6 Nov 2009, 15:49 pm
#106 WakaNathan:
some poor 70 year old retired teacher got murdered in her house in some remote nz village?
6 Nov 2009, 15:50 pm
#104 katman:
No, but nearly right. Easy to confuse the 2.
A Kiwi is an Australian chicks ‘Ideal of Man’.
Tell me Katman, why are there more Safas in Wimbledon than there are Aussies & Kiwis in the whole of UK ?
6 Nov 2009, 15:50 pm
#105 katman:
ooooh – that’ll touch a nerve.
6 Nov 2009, 15:51 pm
#107 charo:
Probably reported because its actually news there.
6 Nov 2009, 15:52 pm
#108 WakaNathan:
not as far to travel?
6 Nov 2009, 15:53 pm
#111 charo:
to Clapham Junction ?
6 Nov 2009, 15:53 pm
#110 WakaNathan:
yes, but please don’t try to give the impression that nz is some nirvana when it comes to democracy and crime.
6 Nov 2009, 15:56 pm
#108 WakaNathan: You see, I’m right. You lump yourselves in with the Aussies at every possible occasion. And with Australia being little more than a suburb of redneck America, that doesn’t bode very well for you lot.
And there are several reasons why there are more Saffas abroad than Kiwis. The most obvious being that there are only 3 million of you on the entire planet. But factors such as our adventurous spirit also come into play.
6 Nov 2009, 15:56 pm
#102 charo:
GDP Figures from the Word Bank.
# 17…..Australia.
# 19 ….UK
# 34….NZ
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#79 SA.
Jam your Stock Exchange right up your jumper. It does your people no good whatsoever.
Yanks and Euro’s cream your Nation, while your workers walk in bare feet.
6 Nov 2009, 15:59 pm
#105 katman:
Sheep Auction…………………Sad to think SA is Still a people Auction.
And I didn’t start this ****.
6 Nov 2009, 16:00 pm
#113 charo:
Far be it for me to ‘give impressions’ of the sort youre bandying about here with *** freedon.
No stock market ?
Murdered Pensioners ?
Seems like youre rather desperate to impress, Charo.
6 Nov 2009, 16:03 pm
#114 katman:
Oh, I must have got the wrong impression then.
Ask an Aussie or a Kiwi “why are you in London/UK” and they’ll probably say “just travelling…on my OE…”
Ask a Safa the same Question and they’ll probably say “Ive moved here”.
The Afghanis and Turkmenestanis seem to say the same think.
6 Nov 2009, 16:03 pm
You forget that we’re all on the internet here. We can check too. So consider yourself caught out. So depending on which source you use…
GDP (by the IMF):
32 – South Africa
54 – New Zealand
GDP (by the World Bank):
32 – South Africa
52 – New Zealand
GDP (by the CIA World Fact Book):
32 – South Africa
54 – New Zealand
Apology accepted. Just don’t do it again.
6 Nov 2009, 16:05 pm
#107 charo:
So……50 a week get Tomahawked at traffic lights in SA.
What’s is your point exactly?
This is not a subject the will enlighten.
6 Nov 2009, 16:06 pm
#116 cane: Neither did I. But I’m a pretty skilled bandwagon jumper.
6 Nov 2009, 16:07 pm
#117 WakaNathan:
go look at cane’s snide comment at #73
then cast stones.
6 Nov 2009, 16:07 pm
#120 cane:
‘tomahawked’ ?!
man, I havent heard of a good tomhawking since Davey Crockett was a boy. And now he’s all grown up and lacing up his boots for the ABs tomorrow.
6 Nov 2009, 16:11 pm
#122 charo:
Funny how you find a rather accurate, and innocuous, comment by Cane @ 73 as worthy of much angst on your part.
Altho, its much harder to find a Cane-snide that it is to find a Charo-isnt.
6 Nov 2009, 16:11 pm
#116 cane:
oh yes you did mate!!!!!
6 Nov 2009, 16:14 pm
Okay, that’s it. Party over. Everyone, out of the pool.
I thought we were still having fun here. But it seems some of us are sulking. So let’s call this one quits.
Have a good weekend. And may the best (Bok) team win.
Oh hang on, they’re not playing.
6 Nov 2009, 16:14 pm
#124 WakaNathan:
sanctimonous bunch aren’t you?
6 Nov 2009, 16:15 pm
#126 katman:
Yes they are. Most of your Comrades are predicting the Club team beats them, check out the thread.
What…………., yer going ???
Do you promise ?!
6 Nov 2009, 16:17 pm
#99 cane: Thats Japie (1 p) Cane. Havent heard about the kiddie fiddler bit… hope thats another (bad) joke of yours
#122 charo: Ja Charo that was a snide one my larnie, but you have to expect it from the Kiwis man, and not stoop to it. Its like John Smit and Brad Thorne – Smit won in the end…
#116 cane:
#121 katman:
#122 charo: Come on all 3 of you stop it! Lets get back to arguing about rugby
6 Nov 2009, 16:18 pm
#119 katman:
World Bank Figures 2008.
Aus # 13.
UK..# 15.
NZ..# 27.
SA..#36.
6 Nov 2009, 16:18 pm
#126 katman: LOL. Geniet dit ou maat – Bokke sal wen!
6 Nov 2009, 16:18 pm
#127 charo:
Now now, dont go making any more gratuitously-broad sweeping generalisations.
I certainly wouldnt hastily categorise you in the same cubbyhole as Soda or Puma or WPUID, that would simply be unfair and inaccurate to everyone.
Dont worry, youre not alone here. BokFan1 and Katman will keep you company.
6 Nov 2009, 16:19 pm
#126 katman:
yes, good idea – getting too heated for my liking.
6 Nov 2009, 16:21 pm
walesonline.com Update
Yes, Wales will win = 47.1%
No, ABs will win – 45.9%
Its official. Its now Friday. Let the drinking commence.
6 Nov 2009, 16:23 pm
#126 katman: Cheers Katman…you’re good fun.
6 Nov 2009, 16:26 pm
#129 bokfanny1:
Google Japie Mulder………..Underage *** with a minor.
Add another Sad Mother to your long list of Miscreants.
Then resume your stone throwing.
“The complainant is a daughter of one of Mulder’s friends”.
6 Nov 2009, 16:29 pm
#129 bokfan1:
Lets get back to Rugby…………
You started the whole frikken thing.
6 Nov 2009, 16:32 pm
#136 cane:
Its bizarre how the gratuitous ‘All Kiwis are drinking wifebeaters’ line gets wheeled out here on a regualr basis on the very same pages the exploits of Percy, Joost and Japie are reported in full. And lets not started on the stories that remain unreported.
Stick to the rugby, Ladies, and noone gets hurt.
6 Nov 2009, 16:33 pm
#14 jci: Rugby in Germany was very popular and they were pretty good as far as I know but Hitler derided it as an Anglo sport apparently and participation levels fell away. Crouchback might be able to tell you more about the history.
6 Nov 2009, 16:36 pm
#122 charo:
My comments re Charlie Dempsey. Post 116.
In what way are they snide Charo?
You know of Charlie what, 2 seconds of his life!
6 Nov 2009, 16:37 pm
#139 Big Hit: Why was he there to carry out the Fuhrer’s orders?
6 Nov 2009, 16:38 pm
#137 cane: Hahahaha are we now pointing fingers on the playground?
I definitely didnt start comparing stock markets, GDP and crime rates!
So be careful with your quick accusations Cane
6 Nov 2009, 16:40 pm
#141 bokfan1: lol not sure, but he seems pretty clued up on historical matters
6 Nov 2009, 16:40 pm
#140 cane:
Charlie Dempsey Voted for Germany…………So did most other Countries.
Charlie voted as directed by approx 9 Sovereign Nations.
You win Some….you lose some.
Snide………….since when has Democracry been Snide.
Grow up.
6 Nov 2009, 16:48 pm
#144 cane: Mate, you need to stop telling everyone to grow up, people may have a point.
You wrote “Democracy it is called I think.
Something some people are not quite used to yet.”
So depending on what you meant (at the time we were discussing the 81 tour and by extension the sanctions, apartheid etc), it could be read as a snide remark that South Africans are not use to democracy after 15 years in comparison to NZ’s illustrious democratic career (the first country to give women the franchise no?)
So, if it was a stab at Saffas, which is how I think Charo took it, then it is snide.
If you didnt mean that, then say so, and then Charo should apologise.
Simple.
6 Nov 2009, 16:51 pm
#140 cane:
your #73 mate, not #116
but you do have a habit of throwing those little “sanctimonious, holier-than-though” one-liners into the mix.
unfortunately, not much we can respond with, regardless of involvement or not in the whole sordid issue.
6 Nov 2009, 17:51 pm
#145 bokfan1:
#146 charo:
Hey, Tweedledum and Tweedledummer
Your tawdry little stabs with which you are basing your entire premise on seems to include 27 too many “IFs” in there to hold any precarious resemblance of having a leg to stand on.
Quit while youre only this far nehind.
6 Nov 2009, 17:56 pm
#70 charo: he’s still a Wales supporter, you can see it come Lions time, he just panders to the masses
6 Nov 2009, 18:00 pm
#147 WakaNathan:
haven’t lost the nasty touch i see hey “canoe”
#148 Big Hit:
jones is an asinine **** – but i always read his columns
6 Nov 2009, 18:11 pm
#149 charo:
BaXXies !
#145 bokfan1:
Now dont go gettin jealous there, BokFan1, I like to share the love around. You know I really only have twinkly-blue EyEs for 1 man, dont you you handsome beast.
BaXXies !!!
6 Nov 2009, 18:13 pm
#148 Big Hit:
panders to the masses huh.
Now cmon, BH, people would just see right throught that !
wouldnt they ?
6 Nov 2009, 18:21 pm
#150 WakaNathan:
if you’re in the uk, its too early to be on the pots.
if you’re in nz, time to get some sleep.
oh, and let me introduce you to grantsbatty, he usurped you in your absence
6 Nov 2009, 18:30 pm
#152 charo: Enjoy the game Charo and you’ve made some great posts today!
6 Nov 2009, 18:37 pm
#153 bokfan1:
hoping to meet up with jockbok for the game at a sports bar here in accra.
he is across from lome for a few days. brought his bulls colleague with him – sharks, stormers and bulls all having a beer together – must be a first
6 Nov 2009, 18:39 pm
#152 charo:
If youre in SA, please stay there. All the others are in Wimbledon.
I have been usurped by noone.
6 Nov 2009, 18:52 pm
#154 charo: Hahaha definitely a first bro!
Where is Accra? As in Ghana?!
6 Nov 2009, 18:56 pm
#155 WakaNathan:
not in sa mate – place called ghana.
travel to uk fairly regularly to see family.
hoping to get to nz for the next rwc.
either place, we can meet up for a frostie or two
6 Nov 2009, 19:23 pm
#157 charo:
if i say i’ll pay, will you come?
7 Nov 2009, 10:23 am
Alright, sooner or later Wales will beat the ABs, as nothing lasts forever but I do not think they will ever beat them by 15+.
Only selected few in the whole century have done that and I can recall only one single occasion which happened 81 year ago in South Africa.
So no hope in hell, Wales will get 15+, more likely they’ll again get -15 or more.
7 Nov 2009, 10:27 am
Sorry, Aussies have put another one, too, in 1999.
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