Rankings carrot for Dragons
6 Nov 2009
Wales will move from eighth to fourth in the IRB world rankings if they beat the All Blacks convincingly in Cardiff on Saturday.
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The Welsh, though, have not beaten New Zealand since 1953, the All Blacks having won 20 Tests in a row, the most recent a 29-9 success at the Millennium Stadium last year.
The closest Wales have come to victory in this time are two one-point losses in 2004 and 1978, but if they can break this losing streak they will climb a minimum of two places to sixth in the rankings. However, they could climb as high as fourth, providing that they were to beat New Zealand by more than 15 points and England condemn Australia to a seventh defeat of 2009 by a similar margin at Twickenham.
In this instance, New Zealand would see their ranking fall by over two points – leaving them four behind the No 1-ranked Boks – and Australia drop two places to equal their lowest ever position of fifth.
Australia’s slide would see Ireland rise to third for the first time in three years and Wales to fourth. It would also leave the Wallabies sitting less than three tenths above England in sixth.
England will climb one place in victory, regardless of the winning margin, with a positive result for Wales also resulting in two place falls for France and Argentina to seventh and eighth respectively.
Wales could actually climb a place to seventh in the rankings even in defeat, with a third Australian victory in four visits to Twickenham leading to a one place fall for England to eighth.
New Zealand can close to within a point of the Springboks with another emphatic victory – six of their last seven in Cardiff have all been by a minimum of 20 points – and even a similar win by Australia will still leave them trailing the All Blacks by more than four points.
Source: irb.com
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6 Nov 2009, 15:42 pm
#99 cane: Our real kiddie fiddler is an Afrikaans singer called Jurie Els. And, ironically, he’s emigrated to NZ.
(I assume because it’s practically legal there.)
6 Nov 2009, 15:43 pm
#96 katman:
nz papers report on oz stock market as headlines.
nz stock market (if one exists) is on the inside pages
6 Nov 2009, 15:43 pm
#99 cane:
And Hey…….anyone who thinks my Post 99 was out of line……………read the thread from top to bottom.
6 Nov 2009, 15:44 pm
#100 WakaNathan: Oh, so you you are in fact Australia’s Isle of Man?
6 Nov 2009, 15:45 pm
#102 charo: NZ stock market is just another name for a sheep auction.
6 Nov 2009, 15:46 pm
#102 charo:
Which page are the Murder stats hidden on in the Cape Argus ?
6 Nov 2009, 15:49 pm
#106 WakaNathan:
some poor 70 year old retired teacher got murdered in her house in some remote nz village?
6 Nov 2009, 15:50 pm
#104 katman:
No, but nearly right. Easy to confuse the 2.
A Kiwi is an Australian chicks ‘Ideal of Man’.
Tell me Katman, why are there more Safas in Wimbledon than there are Aussies & Kiwis in the whole of UK ?
6 Nov 2009, 15:50 pm
#105 katman:
ooooh – that’ll touch a nerve.
6 Nov 2009, 15:51 pm
#107 charo:
Probably reported because its actually news there.
6 Nov 2009, 15:52 pm
#108 WakaNathan:
not as far to travel?
6 Nov 2009, 15:53 pm
#111 charo:
to Clapham Junction ?
6 Nov 2009, 15:53 pm
#110 WakaNathan:
yes, but please don’t try to give the impression that nz is some nirvana when it comes to democracy and crime.
6 Nov 2009, 15:56 pm
#108 WakaNathan: You see, I’m right. You lump yourselves in with the Aussies at every possible occasion. And with Australia being little more than a suburb of redneck America, that doesn’t bode very well for you lot.
And there are several reasons why there are more Saffas abroad than Kiwis. The most obvious being that there are only 3 million of you on the entire planet. But factors such as our adventurous spirit also come into play.
6 Nov 2009, 15:56 pm
#102 charo:
GDP Figures from the Word Bank.
# 17…..Australia.
# 19 ….UK
# 34….NZ
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#79 SA.
Jam your Stock Exchange right up your jumper. It does your people no good whatsoever.
Yanks and Euro’s cream your Nation, while your workers walk in bare feet.
6 Nov 2009, 15:59 pm
#105 katman:
Sheep Auction…………………Sad to think SA is Still a people Auction.
And I didn’t start this ****.
6 Nov 2009, 16:00 pm
#113 charo:
Far be it for me to ‘give impressions’ of the sort youre bandying about here with *** freedon.
No stock market ?
Murdered Pensioners ?
Seems like youre rather desperate to impress, Charo.
6 Nov 2009, 16:03 pm
#114 katman:
Oh, I must have got the wrong impression then.
Ask an Aussie or a Kiwi “why are you in London/UK” and they’ll probably say “just travelling…on my OE…”
Ask a Safa the same Question and they’ll probably say “Ive moved here”.
The Afghanis and Turkmenestanis seem to say the same think.
6 Nov 2009, 16:03 pm
You forget that we’re all on the internet here. We can check too. So consider yourself caught out. So depending on which source you use…
GDP (by the IMF):
32 – South Africa
54 – New Zealand
GDP (by the World Bank):
32 – South Africa
52 – New Zealand
GDP (by the CIA World Fact Book):
32 – South Africa
54 – New Zealand
Apology accepted. Just don’t do it again.
6 Nov 2009, 16:05 pm
#107 charo:
So……50 a week get Tomahawked at traffic lights in SA.
What’s is your point exactly?
This is not a subject the will enlighten.
6 Nov 2009, 16:06 pm
#116 cane: Neither did I. But I’m a pretty skilled bandwagon jumper.
6 Nov 2009, 16:07 pm
#117 WakaNathan:
go look at cane’s snide comment at #73
then cast stones.
6 Nov 2009, 16:07 pm
#120 cane:
‘tomahawked’ ?!
man, I havent heard of a good tomhawking since Davey Crockett was a boy. And now he’s all grown up and lacing up his boots for the ABs tomorrow.
6 Nov 2009, 16:11 pm
#122 charo:
Funny how you find a rather accurate, and innocuous, comment by Cane @ 73 as worthy of much angst on your part.
Altho, its much harder to find a Cane-snide that it is to find a Charo-isnt.
6 Nov 2009, 16:11 pm
#116 cane:
oh yes you did mate!!!!!
6 Nov 2009, 16:14 pm
Okay, that’s it. Party over. Everyone, out of the pool.
I thought we were still having fun here. But it seems some of us are sulking. So let’s call this one quits.
Have a good weekend. And may the best (Bok) team win.
Oh hang on, they’re not playing.
6 Nov 2009, 16:14 pm
#124 WakaNathan:
sanctimonous bunch aren’t you?
6 Nov 2009, 16:15 pm
#126 katman:
Yes they are. Most of your Comrades are predicting the Club team beats them, check out the thread.
What…………., yer going ???
Do you promise ?!
6 Nov 2009, 16:17 pm
#99 cane: Thats Japie (1 p) Cane. Havent heard about the kiddie fiddler bit… hope thats another (bad) joke of yours
#122 charo: Ja Charo that was a snide one my larnie, but you have to expect it from the Kiwis man, and not stoop to it. Its like John Smit and Brad Thorne – Smit won in the end…
#116 cane:
#121 katman:
#122 charo: Come on all 3 of you stop it! Lets get back to arguing about rugby
6 Nov 2009, 16:18 pm
#119 katman:
World Bank Figures 2008.
Aus # 13.
UK..# 15.
NZ..# 27.
SA..#36.
6 Nov 2009, 16:18 pm
#126 katman: LOL. Geniet dit ou maat – Bokke sal wen!
6 Nov 2009, 16:18 pm
#127 charo:
Now now, dont go making any more gratuitously-broad sweeping generalisations.
I certainly wouldnt hastily categorise you in the same cubbyhole as Soda or Puma or WPUID, that would simply be unfair and inaccurate to everyone.
Dont worry, youre not alone here. BokFan1 and Katman will keep you company.
6 Nov 2009, 16:19 pm
#126 katman:
yes, good idea – getting too heated for my liking.
6 Nov 2009, 16:21 pm
walesonline.com Update
Yes, Wales will win = 47.1%
No, ABs will win – 45.9%
Its official. Its now Friday. Let the drinking commence.
6 Nov 2009, 16:23 pm
#126 katman: Cheers Katman…you’re good fun.
6 Nov 2009, 16:26 pm
#129 bokfanny1:
Google Japie Mulder………..Underage *** with a minor.
Add another Sad Mother to your long list of Miscreants.
Then resume your stone throwing.
“The complainant is a daughter of one of Mulder’s friends”.
6 Nov 2009, 16:29 pm
#129 bokfan1:
Lets get back to Rugby…………
You started the whole frikken thing.
6 Nov 2009, 16:32 pm
#136 cane:
Its bizarre how the gratuitous ‘All Kiwis are drinking wifebeaters’ line gets wheeled out here on a regualr basis on the very same pages the exploits of Percy, Joost and Japie are reported in full. And lets not started on the stories that remain unreported.
Stick to the rugby, Ladies, and noone gets hurt.
6 Nov 2009, 16:33 pm
#14 jci: Rugby in Germany was very popular and they were pretty good as far as I know but Hitler derided it as an Anglo sport apparently and participation levels fell away. Crouchback might be able to tell you more about the history.
6 Nov 2009, 16:36 pm
#122 charo:
My comments re Charlie Dempsey. Post 116.
In what way are they snide Charo?
You know of Charlie what, 2 seconds of his life!
6 Nov 2009, 16:37 pm
#139 Big Hit: Why was he there to carry out the Fuhrer’s orders?
6 Nov 2009, 16:38 pm
#137 cane: Hahahaha are we now pointing fingers on the playground?
I definitely didnt start comparing stock markets, GDP and crime rates!
So be careful with your quick accusations Cane
6 Nov 2009, 16:40 pm
#141 bokfan1: lol not sure, but he seems pretty clued up on historical matters
6 Nov 2009, 16:40 pm
#140 cane:
Charlie Dempsey Voted for Germany…………So did most other Countries.
Charlie voted as directed by approx 9 Sovereign Nations.
You win Some….you lose some.
Snide………….since when has Democracry been Snide.
Grow up.
6 Nov 2009, 16:48 pm
#144 cane: Mate, you need to stop telling everyone to grow up, people may have a point.
You wrote “Democracy it is called I think.
Something some people are not quite used to yet.”
So depending on what you meant (at the time we were discussing the 81 tour and by extension the sanctions, apartheid etc), it could be read as a snide remark that South Africans are not use to democracy after 15 years in comparison to NZ’s illustrious democratic career (the first country to give women the franchise no?)
So, if it was a stab at Saffas, which is how I think Charo took it, then it is snide.
If you didnt mean that, then say so, and then Charo should apologise.
Simple.
6 Nov 2009, 16:51 pm
#140 cane:
your #73 mate, not #116
but you do have a habit of throwing those little “sanctimonious, holier-than-though” one-liners into the mix.
unfortunately, not much we can respond with, regardless of involvement or not in the whole sordid issue.
6 Nov 2009, 17:51 pm
#145 bokfan1:
#146 charo:
Hey, Tweedledum and Tweedledummer
Your tawdry little stabs with which you are basing your entire premise on seems to include 27 too many “IFs” in there to hold any precarious resemblance of having a leg to stand on.
Quit while youre only this far nehind.
6 Nov 2009, 17:56 pm
#70 charo: he’s still a Wales supporter, you can see it come Lions time, he just panders to the masses
6 Nov 2009, 18:00 pm
#147 WakaNathan:
haven’t lost the nasty touch i see hey “canoe”
#148 Big Hit:
jones is an asinine **** – but i always read his columns
6 Nov 2009, 18:11 pm
#149 charo:
BaXXies !
#145 bokfan1:
Now dont go gettin jealous there, BokFan1, I like to share the love around. You know I really only have twinkly-blue EyEs for 1 man, dont you you handsome beast.
BaXXies !!!
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