Carter faces ban
9 Nov 2009
Dan Carter will appear before a disciplinary hearing after his high tackle in the All Blacks’ victory against Wales on Saturday.
Carter will face IRB judicial officer Jeff Blackett in Milan for his ‘head-high tackle’ on scrumhalf Martin Roberts in the All Blacks’ 19-12 win at the Millennium Staduim.
The flyhalf was not punished by match referee Craig Joubert during the game, but could face a minimum of a one-week ban.
If found guilty, Carter will be the third All Blacks player to be suspended, following wing Sitiveni Sivivatu and prop Tony Woodcock who were banned after the Bledisloe Cup Test against the Wallabies a fortnight ago.
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9 Nov 2009, 06:47 am
Ban this A4Y Dragon!
9 Nov 2009, 07:02 am
carter will come away unscathed from this…watch…
9 Nov 2009, 07:17 am
#2 Transformation: of course, it’s window dressing
9 Nov 2009, 07:31 am
If they ban Carter, it’s too late anyway. Should have been 3 points and 10 mins. Wales may have won.
This is a big test for the judiciary, cause if it was a Saffa it would be a given 2 weeks or more. Lets see if they got the balls……….
9 Nov 2009, 07:37 am
Carter did a JP Nel!
9 Nov 2009, 07:42 am
I really don’t think it deserves a citing… let alone a ban… This is over-reaction of the highest order…
The guy ducked forward into Carter’s arm which then slid up onto the side of the guy’s face due to the momentum of the clash…
There have been many worse things that have gone uncited in recent rugby games…
just one case… Simon Shaw doing his WWF immitation knee-drop onto the unprotected back of Fourie Du Preez… No citing, yellow card… nada…
If Carter gets banned it will be a travesty of (in)justice…
9 Nov 2009, 07:49 am
#6 ufo: Dont be surprised though , stranger things have happened ( but only if you are a SA player LOL)
9 Nov 2009, 07:52 am
#6 ufo: well the only thing baakies did was clean out a ruck and look where that landed him.
9 Nov 2009, 07:56 am
#5 Lions_Soutie: lol tis true, JP Carter
9 Nov 2009, 07:57 am
#7 stew:
#8 Transformation:
yeah, I know guys… still doesn’t make it right to ban Carter…
They always mention ‘track records’ so they should look at Carter’s and he should get off with no ban…
9 Nov 2009, 08:03 am
#6 ufo: Shaw was yellow carded and banned for two weeks.
9 Nov 2009, 08:05 am
The citing commisioners need to get it through their thick skulls that they can only site a player if they think it is a direct red. How many players have been given a red card for a high tackle in the last 20 years of rugby?
Anyhow it was virtualy impossible for the ref to see the high tackle from behind. From the first camera angle I thought it was a brilliant tackle.
9 Nov 2009, 08:08 am
He doesn’t deserve a citing – if Joubert had seen it would he have given him a yellow card? I doubt it, so why does he now deserve to be banned for a week? Are we going to be silly about it and examine every piece of foul play that doesn’t get pinged and cite everyone? What about they guy who took McCaw off the ball? Why hasn’t he been cited?
This is an abuse of the citing process in order to pacify the Welsh, nothing more nothing less. In my opinion citings should only be used where there are serious acts of foul play, eg eye-gouging, punching, stamping, cheap shots, etc.
9 Nov 2009, 08:10 am
#11 Big Hit:
you sure…? Must have missed it… can you post a link to an official site that carried the announcement???
I was having a heated email ‘debate’ with one of the english rugby writers… an ex-Lion no less… and even he never mentioned that Shaw got banned…
but still could’ve missed it would like to see it…
9 Nov 2009, 08:14 am
#14 ufo:
Lions 2009: Simon Shaw banned after Lions restore pride
England lock Simon Shaw received a two-week ban for dangerous play on Sunday, drawing a line under a Test series that the British and Irish Lions doctor, James Robson, described as the most physical he had ever witnessed.
The sanction took the edge off the celebrations of the Lions’ rousing third-Test victory, and was indicative of an undercurrent of violence that at times brought equal measures of drama and shame to a series described by the tourists’ coach, Ian McGeechan, as “the most outstanding” he had been involved with.
Shaw was found guilty of striking Springbok scrum-half Fourie du Preez with his knee just before half-time. He received a yellow card for the offence from Australian referee Stuart Dickinson, but was cited for dangerous play and suspended at a disciplinary hearing yesterday.
The 35-year-old Wasps player’s ban – deferred to conclude at midnight on August 22 – made Shaw the fourth player to be suspended during the course of the bruising tour.
Telegraph (UK)
9 Nov 2009, 08:14 am
#13 jonnymain:
100% agree. He only got cited because the Welsh tv crew decided to play the incident a hundred times on the big screen.
9 Nov 2009, 08:17 am
i watched the game it needed a yellow that tackle bue i doubt it affected the outcome
9 Nov 2009, 08:19 am
#15 Big Hit:
cool… thanks BH… good to hera… however belatedly…
9 Nov 2009, 08:21 am
#18 ufo:
@^&*#&*()
good to hear…
don’t know how I missed it but am obviously wrong about it…
9 Nov 2009, 09:31 am
funny how the welsh tv crew decided t play carter’s beautiful cover tackle a hundred times but neglected to show Brendan Leonard getting his hea kciked or mccaw getting takled of the ball and getting penalised for his trouble
9 Nov 2009, 09:36 am
I really didn’t expect this kind of tackle from Carter. He seems to be a pretty straight-up, by the rules character. But this was clearly a swinging forearm to the head and not just a high tackle. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s the JP Nel technique down to a T (except that JP And Matfield use their “arm guards” for added impact). Certainly worth a citing, and probably at least two or three weeks out of the game. The same rules apply to the god of rugby as to us SA “thugs”.
9 Nov 2009, 09:45 am
#21 katman:
This is not tiddly winks they playing. Do you want them to start wearing tutu’s?
9 Nov 2009, 10:24 am
Only thing worse than listening to the Welsh commentators go on and on about the high tackle is logging into Keo and reading all the Saffas feeling sorry for themselves (i.e. if he was a SA player he’d get two weeks)
Boo hoo. It’s rugby boys, harden the **** up!
9 Nov 2009, 10:25 am
It wasn’t even a bad tackle. No one even noticed it as it happened. It was only after the replay that everyone saw it. I think it was a bit high and probably deserved a penalty but no more than that!
9 Nov 2009, 10:29 am
#6 ufo:
or Bakkies the Thug following thru with his knee on to Donalds head in the 1st Qter at Bloem (or may have been Durban). It was blatant and he got off scott-free as Donald needed extensive treatment for concussion.
#21 katman:
talk it up. How many swinging-arms did Butcher James get away with in his Test career ? In fact, DC was on the receiving end of many of them.
Let them Ban DC. Noone from AB Management or Players will even consider disgracing the jersey with any arrogant armband protests.
9 Nov 2009, 10:32 am
It was high and his arm was swinging… if that was Bakkies it would be 3 weeks.
9 Nov 2009, 10:39 am
Bunch of sissies
9 Nov 2009, 10:40 am
#26 seamus: Why don’t you write to the IRB urging all citing officials to wear armbands reading WWBG – “what would Bakkies get”
That way you can console yourself with the fact that everybody is being penalised equally and nobody is picking on your beloved Bakkies
9 Nov 2009, 10:46 am
#28 Richie_7:
‘picking on Bakkies’…….its a nationwide ruse to disguise how much he actually gets away with.
Woodcock got banned for 1 match for doing what Bakkies does repeatedly every match he plays. What did we hear from Woodcock or Sivivatu after Tokyo ?
nada,
The way it should be.
9 Nov 2009, 10:49 am
if only GH could come out now and say in his usual monotone drawl. “we saw the tackle and we didn’t think it deserved a card, i watched last night with Dan and he was as suprised as the rest of us that he is cited. I don’t think Dan did it on purpose, if you know the character of the man like i do, you would know that it’s not in his nature to do something like that, he is physical & his tackling technique is up to scratch”
9 Nov 2009, 10:59 am
#30 Transformation: Oi Transformation, think the Springboks who believe in “Justice 4 All” might pop down to the local IRB citing offices and put in a good word for Dan? Maybe wear little pieces of tape on their arms too Friday night?
9 Nov 2009, 11:04 am
Lol! Disgracing a jersey with an armband protest? Sacrilege! No wonder you guys failed in the World Cup to win in those grey jerseys.
Why doesnt NZ go the Barcelona FC route and promote Unicef on their jerseys?? Or would that be sacrilege?
9 Nov 2009, 11:39 am
#31 Richie_7: ey Richie…you & wankanathan must stop painting all south africans with the same brush, if we wanted to eye gouge lions we would head to the bushveld & gouge away and see if they can haul us in
9 Nov 2009, 11:47 am
lot of short memories here that have forgotten what it’s like to be cited for no reason. it was a high tackle, nothing more, nothing less. penalty sure, but that’s it.
9 Nov 2009, 11:56 am
#12 Sonito:
Agree 100% Sonito, even the Commentary Team didn’t pick it up first up.
9 Nov 2009, 11:57 am
However…….it was high.
So give Danny Boy a week off.
He was never going to play against Italy anyway. So WtF.
9 Nov 2009, 12:02 pm
#26 seamus:
Yes seamus. But Bakkies has history of filth that stretches across 3 Continents.
9 Nov 2009, 12:14 pm
The armguard theory for added impact – the irb requirements for padding and protection is 5mm of foam. If anything it would soften the blow
9 Nov 2009, 12:28 pm
Give him a weeks ban then !! Hopefully that will stop the welsh moaning about how unfair that were treated. I dont think the kiwis will be that worried he was probably having a week of anyway.
Lets not get carried away here though it was a tackle that slipped up as the player was coming down. A weeks ban not really if so this game is getting softer by the minute
9 Nov 2009, 12:36 pm
What….Kiwis are going to surrender meekly to this blatant act of injustice? Oh come on, at least put up a fight.
There’s a part of me that says ban the b@stard…..nothing rational, just out of sheer vindictiveness esp when you consider some of the inconsistencies we had to endure but then again I saw the incident and I have to concede that the citing is a bit of a joke.
9 Nov 2009, 12:49 pm
#25 WakaNathan:
get a grip waka… read my post again… said IMO he didn’t deserve a citing let alone a banning…
you’re so one-eyed you can’t recognise when a saffa supporter is suporter a AB player…
sad man…
9 Nov 2009, 12:58 pm
#41 ufo:
but if you prefer waka… if it makes you feel better to meet your stereotype that all saffas are one-eyed idiots…
I can jump on the bandwagon too…
Carter is a vile and dirty player who deserves a 12 month ban for his heinous act of cowardice…!!!
you feeling more comfortable now waka…???
Sheesh dude…
9 Nov 2009, 13:05 pm
#38 Partizan: The arm guard serves two purposes: To help clobber harder and to prevent the forearm from breaking. Surely even you must find it suspicious that the one guy who keeps on being blown up and cited for a swinging forearm, wears a massive piece of strapping on the arm that does the swinging.
9 Nov 2009, 13:41 pm
#41 ufo:
as you said “Ive seen way worse things gone uncited”. Well, yes, quite.
Your reference was clearly to Simon Shaw, supposed low penalty (compared to Boks) etc. After a Lions series where the locals accused the Brits of media stitchups after public outcries, we then had to hear about ‘Sheridan punching Bekkers todger’ when it was clear and plain for all to see that it was unintentional.
And in the week when Boks armbanded themselves in to rugby notoriety was the same when the Eye-Burg/lar was given a slap on the hand and a lollipop. Bakkies the falsely-accused Victim 1 minute, forget about Eye-Burg/lar the Villain the next ? Did you not agree with Transformation on #6 on this point ?
1 Ring to Rule them all….
#42 ufo:
UFO, youre talking to yourself. Phone home !
9 Nov 2009, 14:55 pm
#44 WakaNathan:
Waka… could well well give you the ‘N’ you deserve but won’t…
For someone who’s alleged to be somebody to NZ rugby you’re really dof bud… I’ll type slowly for your benefit…
I’m talking about the Carter tackle… simply saying IMO opinion he didn’t deserve a citing… as far worse incidents haven’t been cited…
That’s my point… Get it…?
Doubt it… your insistence of arguing with someone who agreed with you indicates you’ve been in the moonshine shed again…
Your insistence on dredging up up incidents of evil Boks players just to start a rumble and feel self-righteous says more about your self-esteem than it does about mine…
but you go ahead and play with yourself until you feel all justfied and warm and fuzzy…
9 Nov 2009, 15:05 pm
#45 ufo:
Actually, twas not I that ‘dredged up incidents of Evil Boks’, scroll up and I think you’ll find it was your cheerleaders, Whatever and Transformation, who had their trigger-happy fingers on the ‘Bakkies’ button. The usual pandering to the Victimisation theories about over-zealous citing of Boks and how everyone else gets away with worse. Give them an inch and they’ll make a ‘Global Conspiracy’ theory out of it next.
Ban Carter I say. As Safas said at RWC 07 when the Eye-Burg/lar was banned for reckless play “its just not in his character”.
Yeah, right.
9 Nov 2009, 15:13 pm
#46 WakaNathan:
twas not I either… I deliberately chose a non-SA player… to try and make my point… seems you’re not upfor rational debate though…
perhaps you should address your issues to those cheerleaders… at least get that right…
Must say you’re sounding remarkably similar to the cheerleaders you’re so indignant about…
Forgive Carter I say…
Ban Wakanathan…
9 Nov 2009, 16:02 pm
LOL!!!
Wanka
9 Nov 2009, 16:37 pm
1 week will be enough.
9 Nov 2009, 17:25 pm
Barely a penalty for a high tackle, now is cited, and talk of ban…..madness!
I agreed with the comment: had it not been shown on the big screen a thousand times, people would have just thought is was a good tackle.
For the record, Butch tackled with his shoulder, not swinging arm. Tackle is legit, as he used his arms too, just some soccer players who also watch rugby when there is no soccer on decided the tackle isn’t legal.
I think this is typical of Welsh rugby commentators, so don’t find it suprising that someone feels it is worth a ban. Who cites and bans the “Man of the match” ? Madness
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