Off you go then you whining whinging malcontented insufferably persecuted little victim. Nothing is yours as of Right, you have to go out there and earn it first.

#147 muffy:

Leave him be. He wants to play Italian club sides every weak, he wants his International opponents to be sides he can guarantee increased Win-stats so that his puffed-up little ego can run laps around the in-goal area and claim vicarious heroism on the back of others achievements.

So what do you want? No Trinations,
No Super 14 or 15,
A place in the 6 nations (now to be 7 nations)…
No year end tours because it would be pointless.
To stand aside and watch Australian rugby struggle because they compete against other codes.

Have you thought your proposal through carefully?????

Making a 5th team an Australian team is the best thing for SA rugby. Look at the bun fight above amongst the Saffas about player theft within your own conference!! Now you suggest a 6th team will improve things!! And if you don’t get it you will take your bat and ball and go north. Tell me, just who is the child here?

The decision is made. Australia has more players than given credit for, the domestic and club comps are still very good, it just they have never been able to get a provincial team going. Now it will happen and SH rugby will be all the better for it. If they poach some SA talent, and they turn out to be a find, that’s great they are still available for Bok selection.

Please enough of the persecution complex.

May I suggest a more pragmatic approach

Yes. The hosting of a RWC in your country usually does immediately lead to the sports loss in popularity….

What you hope and what you get and 2 different things, Pissant.

#143 wallabie.:

The Conference system came about simply due to the SARU holding their SANZAR partners over a barrell by insisting that they should be guaranteed playoff spots and, therefore, network coverage. They wanted to host the big games, not hope for 1 to be involved and then usually play away from home.

So Aus & NZ keeled over and granted them their guarantee. And thats how we got in this mess.

I think the conference system is a very poor decision. A top six qualifier in the old format would have been much better.

Or one year split half way and 8 teams play each other and the other 7 have their own group and top two team from each qualify for semis.

At least not many games and fully charged affairs due to players being somewhat fresh.

The effect of having the cheetahs in s14…cellar dwellers.
The Force – have been competitive and knocking on the door of the finals.

RSA currently has 3 poor teams in S14 and Aus has one. I am talking about consistently.

It all started when RSA wanted 2 teams in the finals every year and sanzar said that must be done through qualifying. RSA was not satisfied so Oneill proposed top six qualify for the fianls. RSA wernt satisfied.
It seems like regardless RSA wanted 2 qualifiers irrespective of placement.
Then other formats were put to the table and the 3 conference format seemed to suit RSA although it may have interfered with the CC.

It was aus and NX trying to accomodate RSA but RSA played their cards too early. They got what they wanted with the qualifying now when it came down to a fifth franchise Aus came in and said…”you have got what you wanted this is what we want”..”you cant have everything!”

RSA shooting before the bullet has been loaded!

Lets reverse the situatation.

Would SA admit an Australian Franchise into their Conference, at the expense of one of their own Teams?

To all the hand-wringers, whiners, Conspiracy Theorists, Xenophobes and Parnoids.

GET REAL.

You a mad oke…but enjoy your stuff…very funny….but dont mess with Biko….MY HERO…

Was never going to work having a South African side based in Australia for the conference matches.

Get the Kings into the S15 along with Cheetahs, Bulls, Sharks, Stormers. Lions players should play for the Bulls and Bulls should play at Loftus and Ellis. Keep the franchises for the Currie Cup but let the Lions back in so there are only 6 sides.

It’s a win win. The Kings have to start playing in the S15, its inevitable and will develop rugger in the E Cape no end.

But why do you always blame the others on the SARSU failure, i do not know the whole story but you sound so holy on this issue. Did you ever take some blame on that, are you the innocent one?

The Spears or the Kings dont even win the B division CC ion SA.

1. SANZAR’s only loyalty is to the Super Competition. The recent outcome is an example of that. No surprises there.

2. SARU must aggressively look after our interests. Not rely on others to do it for us.

3. The conference system is most beneficial for the Aus teams as they don’t have a regional competition of note.

4. The conference system is worse for us because the more Super Rugby, the more it erodes the CC. Playing Super rugby into October will definately have that effect.

5. The politicians care more about representation and ego than results. If you remember this one thing, all those ridiculous statement coming out of their mouths will be less surprising. (that’s why they re-hired the Bafana coach. He’s Brazillian and a WC winner and they want to associate with that (EGO). They don’t care that a local coach who knows the systems and players is likely to achieve more).

6. We live in a country where mediocrity at the highest level of officialdom is tolerated and ignored. To address these things would be admitting (from a politician’s viewpoint) that they too, are not up to standard.

7. The goal of a ruling party is not really to govern and serve, but rather to ensure that they are re-elected. All statements, policies, posturing etc, must be seen in this light. Hence the Julius factor.

8. Sport in this country is political. Which means that we as the fans (and by virtue of our support, the investors and “fund” – ers) have to make things happen. Don’t allow them to get away with mediocrity. Chellenge at every turn. That’s what patriotism is all about.

I’m still hopeful though.

The Victorian Rugby Union (VRU) in Melbourne may still only run amateur rugby, but has been around for 100 years.
Have a look at the Force’s homeground and you will see how big rugby is in Perth among the locals, they don’t even have a rectangular ground.