Enjoyed Deysel coming on yesterday and yes BJ too.

However, these NH EOY tours, require a definite re-think, the players are not only tired, but it probably requires picking a more horses for courses approach.

I think its great BJ is selected since he offers a very different option if the game demands it, always felt BJ is best scrumming TH by some distance, but that is not what Bokke coaches are trying to do. Also BJ has also been in teams whose scrum has been beaten – as the saying goes be careful what you wish for you might just get it.

Also if we got the Italy test first it would have been ideal before playing France.

Remember too. We had 4 players missing against France. JdV, Spies, Fransie and Juan. Can never just lose 4 great players like that and play the same as we did during the 3Nations and Lions Series. Think the players that played in those positions just not the same standard as the ones they replaced.

If only we had tours again. That would be awesome.

There is a reason this has been one of the most succesful bok years, and if you cannot see what the Bok coaches are trying to do you need to stop telling others they cannot see.

i would say one thing tho, perhaps a specialist TH is a must for NH conditions, particularly where our guys are tired. i would say a very different approach should be taken to these tours in general.

The SA scrum hasn’t been strong for a long time as Jones rightly pointed out in his article last week, they have long been getting along with parity and no more yet somehow retained the global reputation for strong scrummaging based on previous generations.

What this South African scrum has however is three players who can make up for any deficiency at scrum time with outstanding displays in the loose which have contributed hugely to the Boks most successful season ever. If you change with the front row make-up you might well find you lose that success too.

The thing about test rugby is that it’s not won on paper, what looks good in theory or on keo’s site often doesn’t work out in practice. The Bok coaches have found something which works in practice, eight players who can (and have) dominate(d) the world rugby scene and I think they’d be foolish to squander that in the name of development for 2011, the Boks results were up and down for a long time this decade so they should hold onto that successful formula with a tight grip and win as many games as they can and enjoy it. Best way to develop is to win.

Interesting that you place so much emphasis on 2011 that you don’t care so much about Boks being a winning team now and that you were appalled while watching your team win. Many SA fans on here a while after the World Cup said they’d rather dominate in the years in between.

Anyway, if there is an area for the Boks to focus on it is surely the backline and in particular the 10/12/13 channels for they’re as devoid of creativity or attacking intent as England have been this Autumn. So much possession for the SA forwards in the 3N so little reward from their backs in terms of tries and bonus points. A centre combination that works should be the priority.

I am not cared about the boks being a winning team…i am cared about building a team to win in 2011….that Bok scrum has been a disgrace…an absolute abortion….i could not even watch at times yesterday…i was appalled…

PDV ,Muitr and Gold have been shocking in allowing such rot to set in to such a huge fundamental part of the game….disgraceful.

But the changes are imminent. Even the 3 wise men cant be that blind….

I see 90 % of bloggers agree on the poll agree…smit to 2…or bench…ot international retirement….

No ifs or buts….the rot must stop….now!!!

Absolute dismal scrumming with smit at 3…far too often.

We wont allow it to continue, PDV has seem the light!

After the transformation in the scrum yesterday i pray that i never have to witness the sight of J Smit at 3 ever again…

Sharks front row/Bulls second row/Cheetahs backrow has worked well, SA have dominated every other pack except at scrum time where they’ve normally had parity.

What’s the situation on Beast btw, is he going to continue to be allowed to play?

And FDP may be out with a hand injury.

I watched the game witl loads of fans yesterday….every scrum there was an outcry!!! Some okes saying Smit must retire, etc…..

I told the 1 fan it wasnt smits fault as he is forced to play out of position….i dont ‘ blame’ Smit….

I blame the fools that made him go to 3 in the beginning!

It was a move doomed to fail…and now has….Smit to 2….or international retirement ….this is and remains my mantra.

Never want to see a non specialist in that 3 jersey again.

Not even a powerful loosehead like Heinke could do the job at 3, yet we expected Smit to do it??

Cmon…doesent take a genius to realise its a huge mess up in the making.

Smit at 2….never ever again at 3…thats my position.

He and Bissy can alternate or rotate …whatever….but the Boks must not screw around at tighthead….it is the cancer !!!

And we dont have to either….WP Nel, Buys are 2 up and coming prospects…..

And in CJ and BJ we have 2 specialists more than capable of adding value.

I have always been an advocate of horses for courses Puma…..and have said that true Smit fans would realise that if Smit is to get to WC 2011….it has to be from the 2 spot…never 3.

Boks cannot afford or tolerate the disaster that was our set scrum until BJ came on and Smit shifted….look at the massive difference!!!The entire Bok team fizzed!!

I’m not sur bj has the kicking game for a 10…

Also not only Smitty’s problem in the scrum when he was at TH. The loosies at that time were not doing their bit and I think the weakness in the front row was from WdP.

Maybe next week. BJ at TH. John at Hooker and Beast at LH.

Dysel has to start at blindside he was superb when he came on.

unfortunately some in here just have no idea to the value of smitty as player and captain

that man is made of pure greatness , and is a massive pillar to bok rugby

It all went so well when John went to hooker, BJ, Beast and Deysel came on. Superb. That is how we must start next week.

Said Danie is better 8 than blindside. Deysel can fetch well too.

Now cant wait for the game against Ireland next week.