Comments on: Hougaard stays in Pretoria

By: Shakes

Shakes — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:04:49 +0000

@Transformation: Looking at the current setup there seems to be no thought to bringing an alternate gameplan. How I wish that the ABs did not have their injury woes this year cos the wis this year has given most a false sense of security. If we continue I actually see us regressing towards 2011. It really hurts me to say this.

By: Transformation

Transformation — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:59:35 +0000

@Shakes: this whole kicking game story by Fdp was 1st to compensate for Liefling's lack of a running game, nowadays it is to shelter morne who also is limited it must be said, now the blue bulls fans expect every other scrumhalf to be kicking. teams that have thinking & excellent flyhalfs ie crusaders & all blacks don't have their 9s to kick away their possession.

By: Shakes

Shakes — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:03:24 +0000

@gunther: What kicking game did Gregan (as example) have. This kicking game is not for all occasions. The game against France we only had 30 odd % ball of which 90% was kicked away by our two halfbacks (mostly kak kicks). We definitely need an alternate to FDPs strengths at 9 when things go pear shaped.

By: gunther

gunther — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:54:03 +0000

@Shakes:

adams is very good as far as he goes… however he has no kicking game…. but as for burton francis as a bulls supporterI am ver soory to see him go… I reckon he is much better than brummer…

By: skopskiet

skopskiet — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:53:38 +0000

yeah was all down to Hougaard why we lost to Sarries he host it almost on his own. Pity Adams got injured because while Adams was whipping out the passes and keeping the front foot momentum going we were in control. Minute Hougaard came on and started that Fdp box kick crap we got done. Straight from the 2nd half kick off we were in trouble because Hougaard didn’t have a clue what to do and got charged down twice within the space of a few scrums, whole game turned retrograde moment Hougaard took over from Adams. Thats the un deniable truth.

By: Shakes

Shakes — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:51:26 +0000

@gunther: Yes Gunther your assertion on Chili is true. However Adams is a different story. There were many games in 2005 and 2006 that I thought Adams played better than FDP. Without a doubt he gets to the rucks quicker than FDP and he cleans out quicker than FDP. In addition he is very nippy and has a good eye for a gap. The Bulls management always judged Adams on his size rather than his capability. I blame him though for resting on his laurels. The Sarries game should be indicative of his value behind a losing pack.

By: gunther

gunther — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:45:04 +0000

@Shakes:

I love the way ts all his fault that we lost to saracens… not the abysmal scrum or the ridiulous reffing in the second half but his alone…how convenient..

By: gunther

gunther — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:40:00 +0000

@Shakes: jeez chilliboy has spent more time on the physio table than on the pitch..I would say the bulls have been very patient with him.. @Shakes: he no 1 scrumhalf in the world who can blame him for leaving... but answer me this, would he start at any other province?

By: Shakes

Shakes — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:37:07 +0000

By the way Brig you right he did more than Adams he actually handed it to Sarries on a plate (singlehandedly nogal)

By: Shakes

Shakes — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:35:00 +0000

@Brigadier Van Zyl: Yes Brig looks like the Bulls do a good job of phucking up Black talent. The two huys you quote should have had the balls to leave ala Burton Francis who I believe has been the scapegoat for the Bulls k@k play before the return of their Boks.

By: Brigadier Van Zyl

Brigadier Van Zyl — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:20:44 +0000

@Shakes:

did more than the quota’s Ralapelle and Adams.

….Adams. A 29 year old.For what purpose other than the the quota one.

Oh, and they are both bulls by the way.

By: Shakes

Shakes — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:56:50 +0000

Yes he should have stayed in Pta, don’t know what he did to deserve being on the EOYT and then to be drafted into the main group. Probably the strong Bulls lobby the deciding factor. Perhaps he has promise (admittedly I am not convinced but many others see it) so the jury is out. A quota selection and I am very surprized that so few call it as it is. Or perhaps quota only applies to the POCs.

By: Transformation

Transformation — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:55:08 +0000

@SodaJoe:hi CooldrinkJoe, i think Francois has potential, but the reality is that Frans Ludeke switched him to all sort of backline positions & thus he is 3rd choice @ the Bulls in his preferred position. @groenie: i agree with you on Vermaak and i would guess pdv also rates him as he played in his U21 team in '06.

By: skopskiet

skopskiet — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:38:31 +0000

Its still an elitist sport amongst a small enclave of the population, whichever way you like to view the parameters.

If it ever got to become the popular sport of choice amongst the bigger fraternity, then the sky would be the limit. it won’t. I doubt.

By: gunther

gunther — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:36:17 +0000

@SodaJoe: you are not the only one.... @Transformation: who is doing the labelling?

By: gunther

gunther — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:33:28 +0000

@Transformation: who's doing the labelling ? @SodaJoe: nobody can..

By: groenie

groenie — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:20:42 +0000

@SodaJoe: Yes I would pick Vermaak as the back up to Fourie for the boks, but Hougaard will get a lot of game time at 9 in the next super 14 and who knows he might even out play fourie, his pass will get better and also the box kick, being around fourie a lot of him will rub off. I read on the bulls site that Hougaard is the 4th fastest player in bulls squad, with speed like that he will be very dangerous around the fringes, lot like Joost was in his prime.

By: SodaJoe

SodaJoe — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:05:12 +0000

@groenie: He does remind me of FdP a lot actually. But needs to speed up his pass, and get a bit more accurate with the box kick.

But reads a game well, very forceful around the fringes, long pass.

But honestly, I think Kockott, Vermaak & Sarel Pretorious are all better.

I think Ruan is a better 10 than 9.

By: SodaJoe

SodaJoe — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:02:55 +0000

@Transformation: Tannie. I just think they are saying it's too early to tell, but on first look he is going to be something. But can't really follow your thread.

By: groenie

groenie — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:02:29 +0000

@Transformation: I dont agree with you Hougaard is a great 9 he did play crap against saracens but to be fair he did not play at 9 for a long time and was put under a lot of pressure with his scrum going backwards at 100km an hour. He is strong on his feet, great defender and can pass with same speed an accuracy as Fourie and has the pace of Bryan Habana, you should judge him after the next super 14, I am sure you will have to eat your words!