Comments on: Boks lack Plan B

By: Golden Boy

Golden Boy — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:22:01 +0000

@iceman: no no no....this is exactly what the AB's did before the last WC and look where it got them!!!!

By: sglazer

sglazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:18:53 +0000

@Nanashi: I agree wholeheartedly, although I feel SA has very good coaching talent too, PDV included just that PDV has been elevated prematurely and expediently for reasons other than rugby alone, which is costing him, the players, Springbok rugby and SA as a whole.

By: sglazer

sglazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:16:52 +0000

@marvinb: I find this a really small-minded and demeaning response. It has no place in the rugby community.

By: sglazer

sglazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:13:09 +0000

@Bouts: I really like what you say here Bouts. I agree wholeheartedly. Plan A is the basics with flair added, the strength of that foundation on top of which the flair has the base upon which to express itself. This is power!

By: sglazer

sglazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:11:37 +0000

@marvinb: Well then let's be advocates for level playing fields and have NZ and Australia spend the same amount of time on the road during the Super 14 and Tri-Nations, year-in-and-year out. We can agree on that I think.

By: Nanashi

Nanashi — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:04:11 +0000

I believe if you put the Springbok team in the hands of the New Zealand coaching team, they would be unstoppable.

The difference between NZ and SA is that in NZ everyone and I mean EVERYONE has the big picture in mind and works towards making their team the best in the world. In South Africa, everyone has their own agenda. The provincial teams won’t rest their players because results count, screw the national team. Politics play a huge role, transformation is more important than the Boks being the best in world rugby.

SA has a wealth of talent, but it is not managed properly. I support the Boks all the way, but I applaud NZ for their commitment to rugby as a whole.

By: ruggaboy

ruggaboy — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:22:40 +0000

Some emotional responses here. I think the big problem for the boks was that they went to sleep for 40 mins after scoring the try. Up till then I thought Morne had gotten the line going quite well. The coaching staff shoud’ve know from the start that the ‘kicking game’ may not be the right option. Kearney was magnificent for the Lions dealing with the high ball. An approach like the one in Sydney where we caught the Wallabies off gaurd could’ve been the better option. I think PDV will take this onboard and adjust. So far he’s proven to be the most open coach to change when his ideas don’t work – big plus in my point of view!

By: marvinb

marvinb — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:03:12 +0000

@Bouts: Hello earth to Bouts All Blacks undefeated on NH tour the other SH teams have lost games and the next to Samoa the Boks come second so who is the joke the Boks are World Champions played five lost four.

By: Ratel Brussow (MSIUR)

Ratel Brussow (MSIUR) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:01:28 +0000

@SodaJoe: One of the problems of this tour was that young THs playing in SA were not expose to test rugby, so no I disagree with your statement: "but we have at least 3 Tightheads (BJ, WP Nel, Buys)" BJ is good, always has been, but WP and Buys remain untested and have barely played S14. So basically we are very short of quality THs playing in SA. CJ not much better than JS.

By: marvinb

marvinb — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:56:58 +0000

@bananas: Dont be like that, we enjoy coming on your own South African web site we have enough (South Africans) living in our country now..... so lets give a bit back and all be one.

By: marvinb

marvinb — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:54:19 +0000

@sglazer: What garbage, so the All Blacks have had a hundred years of winning rugby mentality and back in the old days went on long tours by ship but still got the great results,1905 invincibles, Grand Slam in the 70s now we have achieve this 3 times, World Cups are a tournament where their is more pressure on the All Blacks to perform because of their winning mentality and record they have compared to the World, the Boks do not have that pressure because they havent really been favourites like the All Blacks coming into a RWC tournament and in the end we choke, so I dont know what you mean inflated scores, 49-nil maybe the inflated score your talking about.

By: marvinb

marvinb — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:43:54 +0000

@iceman: I believe this is a good idea, I think the All Blacks should do that for some key All Blacks and the Boks should do the same thing.

By: Bouts

Bouts — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:04:03 +0000

Hey. Gotta admit the Boks ended it badly this year, but hailing the All Blacks is a joke. None of the SH teams have any right to brag this year.

As for the Boks plan B… problem is, they’ve been using plan B way too much. Like I said elsewhere, plan A should always be the basics. Our team failed the basics, which was their strength earlier this year, with some flair added. Now, they tried to win the games with flair alone!

By: bananas

bananas — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:42:25 +0000

@poppa69: Again you are still on a SA web site ? It must be another Bok loss, sadly for us we have had a few recently which is only compounded by your presence on a SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY WEB SITE ... Why arent you off on Silverfern enjoying a great AB victory over France ?? Sad sack.

By: poppa69

poppa69 — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:21:40 +0000

@sglazer: gotta agree… the travel factor was a serious problem for SA in 2008, when they travelled to the cape and lost 19-0 at home… NZ just had to fly over thats all… much easier…

By: sglazer

sglazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:09:27 +0000

It’s not helpful to the AB’s either. Their results are inflated and when it comes to competition when the playing fields are more level, namely the World Cup, they bomb out again and again.

By: sglazer

sglazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:02:40 +0000

@lapoftherugbygods: Well, then Mils Muliana must have it wrong too. Those were his words. NZ have a distinct advantage over SA in the Super 14 and Tri-Nations. Blinding oneself to this makes no sense. It's delusional.

By: iceman

iceman — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:38:40 +0000

I believe we need to rest all 15 of our first choice Springboks until at least halfway through the Super 14 Competition!

These guy need a serious break from all rugby for at least 3 months after which they can slowly be reintroduced into their respective teams.

Even if this means us losing our first few games in the competition it would overall serve as a better cause to the long term success of the Springboks, which in my opinion is all important.

This would also expose some of the younger players giving them much needed experience at top level rugby.

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:37:02 +0000

@lapoftherugbygods: here here,good post

By: lapoftherugbygods

lapoftherugbygods — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:30:55 +0000

@sglazer:

I agree that the political environment in SA is a factor but traveling in the s14 and the 3N as a the reason why SA doesn’t perform in the UK. Harden up.

That is nonsensical. The time zones and distance to UK are far more favorable for SA than either Australia or NZ.

European teams are far better at the ten man game than the expansive style. To beat them you need to have to be able to play a variation as this article suggests. This tour has simply been a disaster for a team as talented as this SA squad. Far less talented Sa squads than this have had better records on the end of the year tour.

In 2005 NZ beat the lions 3-0 ,won the 3N and then travelled to Europe to secure a Grand slam. This was expected of the ABs by their fans. Until SA sets their sights as high and expect nothing less with no excuses, they will continue to struggle to be the dominant force in World Rugby that they deserve to be.