Boks badly exposed
30 Nov 2009
South Africa played like world chumps in Europe, writes Keo in his weekly Business Day column.
Let’s skip all the emotional claptrap, the political correctness and new found South African way of justifying that our teams don’t lose, the other teams just score more points. Let’s get real and call Saturday’s Springbok Test defeat and the five-match tour of Europe exactly what it was: an absolute disaster and a disgrace.
I love John Robbie on talkback radio. He is the best because he calls it like it is, but when he is explaining losses to France and Ireland as nothing more than fatigue I get worried about those ultra positive contracts one has to sign to be allowed onto SuperSport.
The Boks lost to a half decent French team, a Leicester team missing 12 of their regulars, a Saracens SA XV that would not end in the top six of the Currie Cup, made Italy look like Six Nations contenders and should have been put away by 20 points by Ireland, who in the last year have been the most consistent international team of the year. That the Boks were named IRB Team of the Year after taking a beating from the Irish was as close as it comes to an Irish joke, and it wasn’t a particularly funny one.
Australia losing to Scotland put some perspective to the Tri-Nations campaign. New Zealand’s changing of coaching roles and reversal to a more conservative approach orchestrated by the world’s best flyhalf Dan Carter, who incidentally did not play in the two defeats against the Boks in South Africa, adds more reality to the quality of the Tri-Nations win and the All Blacks fitness in Marseilles ended any arguments that the Boks lost because they were simply too tired. The All Blacks, in club and provincial games, played just as much rugby as the Boks and the Test side have played even more matches this year than the Springboks.
The Boks lost because a French team physically roughed them up and exposed the fragile Bok front row with John Smit as a tighthead. The Bok scrum only resembled a quality unit when BJ Botha was at tighthead against Ireland and Smit was at hooker. The moment Smit moved to tighthead the only area of dominance that belonged to the Boks disappeared.
The lineout, the strength of the Boks since the 2007 World Cup, was a shambles and the fact that the man who coached the lineout between 2004 and 2007 was not even mentioned in the post-match TV analysis was as diabolical as the justification for the defeats.
Gert Smal’s true value to the Boks was illustrated in Dublin on Saturday. The Bok lineout did not struggle because Smit’s lineout throwing was poor. Smit is the best lineout thrower in world rugby. The Bok lineout was reduced to rubble because the new coaching staff have not changed anything since 2007. The calls are still the same and this was a case of the master (Smal, now with Ireland) upstaging the student (Victor Matfield). I have never seen a Test where Matfield has been so innocuous and lacked such presence. Smal, more than anything else, beat the Boks and it showed how little this team has actually advanced.
The senior players have run the team since Peter de Villiers took over, but there comes a point when a team needs a coach who coaches and not a coach who takes them to the ground in the comfort also known as a team bus.
Should De Villiers get fired? No. But he needs help and the most qualified person to help him, in the role of national director of coaching, is the man who masterminded South Africa’s 2007 World Cup win. Jake White is the soundboard that could turn De Villiers into a coach and not the players’ mate who allows them to do as they please.
The fatigued South African players are hanging around for a match against the All Blacks. Could someone at the South African Rugby Union explain that one to me? No because there isn’t anyone there with the rugby acumen to give me that answer.
Think of this tour and the chaos and lies. Let’s start with the lie about transformation. Black players selected in the squad were sent home and white players not in the original squad ended up playing in the Tests when De Villiers hit the first of many panic buttons.
De Villiers said Smit’s future was at tighthead, so why did he draft in BJ Botha? Why was Bandise Maku not put on the bench against Italy instead of Adriaan Strausss, who was not even in the original tour squad? Window dressing at its most crass. The same applies to the selection of Davon Raubenheimer and Ashley Johnson when Jean Deysel also went straight from the beach to the Test squad. I believe the selections of Deysel and Strauss should have been made originally, but the squad chosen was a transformation con that insulted any decent black rugby player in this country.
If Smit is going to the World Cup at tighthead then they had to persist with him through all the struggles. If Morne Steyn is going to kick South Africa that World Cup-winning penalty then you play him through the shocker he had in Dublin and write it off to an experience that will make him stronger. When Juan de Jongh is the find of the midweek side and Adi Jacobs gets injured you don’t draft a 50-Test cap Springbok based in Munster into the Test squad and get him to sit on the bench for 63 minutes. You either start with Jean de Villiers, who is the best inside centre in the game, or you say to the newcomer De Jongh this is your chance to take that step up. If South Africa had lost with the next generation of player there would be no issue, but to have got beaten so convincingly with the best team available, outside of Bakkies Botha and Frans Steyn, then the selectors need to ask themselves why they haven’t resigned.
The tour objective was to develop players and win. Neither objective was achieved. More careers were broken than made and the denial within the team simply intensified.
The rugby the Boks played was poor. The substitutions were not tactical they were terrible, and they have been all year. The All Blacks played stupid rugby against South Africa in South Africa and paid the price. The Boks fed off their mistakes and never had to play risk rugby.
In Hamilton, the Boks were a cross kick from defeat, in Pretoria they were saved by a last minute 53m penalty and in Johannesburg they were pulverized by the British & Irish Lions. In Toulouse, Leicester, Wembley and Croke Park they looked like world chumps and not world champs.
Whoever let Smal go should be fired, yet that won’t happen because no one will remember him ever asking to make a further contribution to the Springboks. There is no explanation why a guy who won South Africa the World Cup won’t be used to improve the chances of them retaining the Cup.
Excellence is punished; mediocrity gets the equivalent of a knighthood.
This tour did not ask questions, it provided every answer and someone at South African rugby has to have he balls to bring together the best rugby brains, facilitate the uber egos and clean the wound instead of adding an elastoplasts by claiming the Boks are the IRB Team of the Year.
Now is the time for honesty because the best team in the world does not get smashed in Brisbane, Leicester, Wembley, Toulouse, Dublin, Johannesburg and sneak two three-point wins in Pretoria and Hamilton.
The Boks are not as tired as we think and they are not as good as we think. But they could be the best if every agenda was put to one side and decisions were made that benefit the Springboks and confront issues instead of blaming referees, fatigue and glorifying five-point losses.
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30 Nov 2009, 22:15 pm
whats wrong with singing? You bigoted against singers now like Ras Dumisane, maybe they should send him to Robben Island for bringing our holy anthem into disrepute.
Everybody makes far too much about ethnicity. It starts one side and repercussively reacts to the other, then the pendulum swings too and fro between Jacobs and WO till maybe it settles somewhere in the middle in the far reaching empathy brought about through time. Just takes time thats all time for wounds and sensitivities and die hard attitudes to die out and heal.
Actually New Zealand is a very good model. Their levels of tolerance and abhorrence towards racism is quite uplifting though am sure like everywhere else its also far from perfect, relatively speaking of course.
30 Nov 2009, 22:17 pm
i would say racism is selecting ppl based on colour.
i would say racism is race reservation based on skin colour.
i would say racism is elevating a player who cannot make his S14 team into a Springbok team.
Now i may be wrong, and it might well be that Maku and Rallapelle are infinitely superior than the players they are picked behind at their relative provinces – and that these coaches and selectors and rugby establish is all inherently racist – but it might also be that they are simply not as good.
The issue of black consciousness is a big problem, apartheid was pure evil, but is the way forward to vere away from criticism at all costs, to steer away from the truth or even a consideration of it, if such reasoning is likely to damage black consciousness. Its not about consistency or rational thought, but rather choosing a cause.
Do we destroy the myth of white supremacy over the backs of players and ppl striving for their best and half-truths shouted louder than anyone else, where any dissenting view is shouted down. Is this artistry, is this progressive?
30 Nov 2009, 22:19 pm
@skopskiet:
yeah you got me in one, i’m bigoted against ram salami and singers in general.
heartless ******** should be put down, esp that one, god damn what a rendition.
30 Nov 2009, 22:19 pm
cab, hello. I’d like to find out from you kind sir if you have ever read anywhere on this site or any publication in fact, where it ws written that failure or non-performance of the springboks or selection of a **** white player should bring embarrasment to all white rugby players & fans in this country like keo is suggesting on this thread? When brian habana succeeds and equals records and becomes irb player of the year is he doing it for only coloured people’s glory & appreciation or is he doing it for every south african? Why should’nt keo himself or john smit be embarrassed when they see what keo refers to as window dressing?
30 Nov 2009, 22:23 pm
@Transformation:
we know each other pretty well, no need for the kind sir stuff, keo’s articles is bollocks, largely.
my issue is whether we shout for the black fella over the white, regardless of whether he is better or not, in the interests of black consciousness.
and whether all these progressives that lecture about getting along and all, are really willing to do so on fair amicable terms, or only they one;s they deem as such?
30 Nov 2009, 22:26 pm
when players do well its not because of their skin colour or racial back ground,its purely because they are talented and great at what they do.nothing more nothing less.
30 Nov 2009, 22:31 pm
i am afraid to say this side was not a merit selection as Oregan Hoskins would have us believe, now you you can try and sell that too ppl anyway you like and i will agree with you over apartheid and all sorts of other things that might go well beyond what you expect of me – but this is utter **** – its not a merit selection and everyone knows it, even those who benefit from it know it, but that is where it is being used unfairly.
Raubenheimer, my god man, with the flankers in SA?
30 Nov 2009, 22:32 pm
there is a very fine line between racial appointment which so many so called advanced fair astute and superior intelligent caucasian beings have deigned to grant the underdeveloped natives of the cursed multitude of heathen masses with their educated enlightened apologetic superiority, and true unbiased merit selection. So who gets to draw the line? Who gets to be the arbitrator or the judge of fair representation? Who gets to be the Solomon in the movie and sets discrimination aside whether it comes from the right or the left, from black or from white?
What makes Jacobs inferior to WO? Who makes that call? Which set of likes or dislikes, measures of quality being metered by which device of evaluation makes the judgment call?
30 Nov 2009, 22:38 pm
Ok I am back… @toe-jam: How much a role does confidence play… ???
30 Nov 2009, 22:38 pm
Jacobs and WO is largely a set of personalal likes and dislikes, i would say. Maku/Rallapelle vs Liebenberg/Strauss is not, and neither is Raubenheimer vs Alberts/Vermeulen/Louw etc.
But the point conventiently being sidestepped, is that anyone raising the issue as to whether these ludicrous selections are made is labelled as bigotted.
not right and certainly not progressive or fair.
perhaps its artisitic, perhaps thats teh draw.
30 Nov 2009, 22:39 pm
I’m yet to see or evaluate the qualities or attributes of Raubenheimer. Who is so emphatically certain that this player has not got the skill set to wear the hallowed green and gold jersey sound his quota tainted neck?
I mean is he absolutely and without a doubt inferior to say Deysel or Potgieter in a straight one on one shoot out. Yes or no? Or do you have statistical evaluation to consider your verdict absolutely and without any doubt before the facts are made manifest?
30 Nov 2009, 22:41 pm
Racism is quite simple, its intolerance to difference. It doesnt matter what happens humans/animals will find the difference and rise against it. If the community is all white they will find the difference amongst themselves and fight it out, the boers the English, the Catholics the Protestants, united we are all white yet when the common enemy is gone we will turn on each other.
Zulu’s, Xhosa’s the same tune is sung. Get rid of the common enemy and watch the tribal lines get drawn deeper.
In South Africa we celebrate 11 official languages! There are too many cooks in this kitchen for us to ever get along, ever!
We learn it from a young age at school, we are grouped into houses at school, the red team the green team. The school across the way, they are our enemy, its everywhere.
The only way for black and white and coloured and Indian to ever get together and live in peace will mean that one or the other to compromise on their culture and identity and that will never happen
30 Nov 2009, 22:44 pm
@cab: Raubenheimer had fantastic CC season… He has the athletic ability and seem to have a rugby brain.. YOu disregard all thosr games in the CC and rate him on two games where a dud TH fkup ahead of him in the scrum
FDP was light years behind Bolla Conradie when he started but we all need to be believe today that he was always great??
Earl Rose is without a doubt the greatest FH in the country.. even though he has to fight through the constant degradation and deprivation metted out to him by SA media and S14 coachs
30 Nov 2009, 22:45 pm
Raubenheimer has not played a single game of S14 rugby, we have had flankers who have excelled in the role – selecting for the national team is not based on does he have the necessary skill set including what colour he is – the question is simply who is the best in his position and then who is next best.
Now the coach can decide that and you can decide if raubenheimer is currently the next best blinsider in SA. I know what i think and its not based on skin colour.
30 Nov 2009, 22:45 pm
jacobs and wo are equally bad at inside centre,neither have shown that they can do it in that position internationally anyway…
a player can only be selected,and then he has to make or break the confidence shown by the coaching staff,but if its clear that a player is not apt for a position,should one keep believing they will come right or just cheer them anyway cause they playing for the boks?
its time we see the best players play,and if they dont perform,they cant be that good anyways
30 Nov 2009, 22:47 pm
@Waz: Absolute Kak!! Its about deprivation and Degradation… It about placing barriers to progress.. Its about emotional rape… its about belittlement
30 Nov 2009, 22:47 pm
@Langenhoven:
put down the assegai for a second, and think about what you are saying, think about the game of rugby too. what does a supposed f’cked up TH have to do with the selection of Raubenheimer?
30 Nov 2009, 22:48 pm
@Langenhoven: rose the best fh in the country?what planet you from?
30 Nov 2009, 22:50 pm
@cab: no need to shout any black fella up for the sake of what you refer to as “black conciousness”. Self esteem is something that should be fostered in an individual from an early age, it is often missed in black kids because of the structural conditions where some are brought up under eg look @ jongi nokwe, so much raw pace and everything but i can tell you now jongi is a punk! You look @ juan de jongh, now that kid has the attitude grab life & glory and make it his!
This cuts both ways cab, a guy like ruan pienaar for me has always been shouted unnecessarily and doesn’t warrant all the hype about him! Nick Koster is another example of a white player who was punted for no tangible reason, yet i’ve never heard you vociferously taking exception to the “shouting up” of these white players!
Either way if one grows up around excellence or someone encourages them to excell, it is bound will rub off on person, whether one chooses to be assertive and pursue their passions is a different story all on it’s own.
Yet, cab you can’t sit up there in France or wherever you might be and act like some of these rugby coaches in this country are free from prejudice!
30 Nov 2009, 22:50 pm
@Langenhoven:
so when a player like raubenheimer is selected over vermeleun or alberts = who is belittled, who is degraded, where’s the progress and who is being emotionally raped?
30 Nov 2009, 22:52 pm
@cab: YOu presume that the S14 coaches are not all racist twats.. and fk we all know they are exactly that. They can be absolute kak and still retain their jobs because in SA rugby white is still right. Even PDV understands this. He know that he can fail with an almost white team and still retain his job
30 Nov 2009, 22:54 pm
@Transformation:
i dont believe blacks are inferior to whites at all, quite the opposite, i believe juan de jong and mapoe are potentially fantastic talents, i think bryan habana is probably one of, if not, the best wings Springbok and world rugby have ever seen.
you are probably right, i can sit from anywhere and cast aspersions, but are you not doing exactly the same. i am not forcing my ideas on you or calling you a bigot, merely expressing my viewpoint.
30 Nov 2009, 22:55 pm
@Langenhoven:
So everyone in SA rugby is a racist twat?
Every white is a racist twat?
30 Nov 2009, 22:55 pm
@cab: YOu presume that they are better because the S14 coaches chose them ahead of him.??.. as they do with all useless white players ..like all the twats in the Lions team. .Remember that The S14 coaches are racist twats who seek and destroy black talent… Its their nature
30 Nov 2009, 22:56 pm
@cab: #305
“my issue is whether we shout for the black fella over the white, regardless of whether he is better or not, in the interests of black consciousness.”
There may be some truth in that but on the other hand, people would just like black players to be given an opportunity to prove themselves. I think most, if not all,”black supporters” on this site has called for opportunities to be given at provincial level. With provincial coaches not coming to the party, it is unfairly left to the national coach to call up players that do not play for their provinces on a regular basis. It is in my view understandable that “black supporters” will defend the player/s in question when he is attacked by people who want to down him. Especially when you don’t see them having a go at white players who are selected without being the no.1 at their province.
Same goes for criticism levelled at a black player who had a bad game while not much are said when certain white players play badly. This weekends’ performance by players like VM, FdP, MS is a good example. Just compare the criticism that were levelled at players like ADI, Ndungane, JPP, Kirchner during the year after a bad game with what is now said about the above mentioned players after this weekend. The difference is huge.
Until we as supporters criticise players fairly without provincial/racial bias, we will sit with the situation you described.
30 Nov 2009, 22:56 pm
@Langenhoven: pdv can fail with any team and keep his job,after all,hoskins did admit that he wasn’t purely a rugby appointment
30 Nov 2009, 22:58 pm
@cab: Every white person who presumes superiority because of his white skin is a racist twat.. Now how many S14 coaches deserve to be in their jobs… and why are they still there
30 Nov 2009, 22:59 pm
@toe-jam: Like the s14 coaches??
30 Nov 2009, 22:59 pm
what you really want the coach to do. Turn his back on his politically affiliated pay masters and tell them to go fly a frigin kite?
How much of a tight rope is anyone prepared to walk and make mistakes yet keep on tiptoeing through the political mine field tulips of SA rugby.
Its traditionally a white mans sport here whichever way we like to book and spin the candy floss. Coloured’s and blacks until Craven relaxed his stance on Errol Tobias because there simply wasn’t a better white fly half in the country at the time, were practically debarred from playing the game in the white mans circle or velodrome.
National coach has a mandate and a duty to ensure that some of that imbalance gets addressed, so what does he do, select Chili and Maku or ignor them like all the provincial and prior smoke screen white coaches have been doing?
Chili was earmarked already in Whites time as Smits successor, because he’s not lived up to his heralded potential is who’s fault? Maku on the other hand might very well have the makings of a viable international hooker.
Same goes for Adams, Johnson, Raubenheimer, Viljoen who’s white and Hargreaves who’s white too.
Coach earmarks and spots some potential he thinks is viable as future prospective bok talent its his prerogative to blood it and develop its possibilities. The problem on this tour wasn’t hardly the failure of the so called 3rd string quotas it was far more the failures of the 1st choice back up players and even front liners like Steenkamp, Du Plessis, Chili, Kanko, Smit, Matfield, Fdp and M. Steyn
If I have to lay blame as to who didn’t perform to scratch, wasn’t Adams or Johnson or Hargreaves or Potgieter or Viljoen. But rather Steenkamp, Du Plessis, Ralepelle, Matfield, Botha, Fdp, M. Steyn, Pienaar, Ndungane. These all seasoned Springbok’s with more than enough caps already under their belts.
30 Nov 2009, 23:01 pm
@Langenhoven:
so you know the nature of men that you know nothing about.
and you are willing to make such judgements absolutely and all-encompassingly.
progressive? where?
@nama1:
sure i understand the sentiment that certain of the coaches are inherently racist, tho i doubt very much a coach will leave out a green martian if it gives his team the edge, esp in modern SA where the push for racial profiling is so powerful.
Is the national team, the best of the best, meant to be the proving ground for where black players are given a chance?
If so, fine, but dont expect teh results to be any different.
30 Nov 2009, 23:03 pm
@Langenhoven:
how do you know that all teh S14 coaches presume their white superiorioty?
based on what do you make such a claim?
do you not think these guys want to win?
30 Nov 2009, 23:04 pm
@Langenhoven: and every black person thinking they deserve the ooportunity because of appartheid?what then?then its not racist no more?then it’s equal rights and AA,BEE…
bottom line,quota systems have not worked till now,and its not going to start working either
30 Nov 2009, 23:04 pm
@toe-jam:
318. toe-jam No white caoch will play him at FH… They fear he will dominate..as he did in the CC campaign of 2008. Morne was a mile behind him before Big Twat Loffie decided to seek and destroy by moving him to FB
30 Nov 2009, 23:06 pm
Craven and his cronies were gutless and towed the party line imo.
White i really am not concerned with as a moral force of virtue or anything else.
Both almost certainly know the game of rugby better than anyone on here.
30 Nov 2009, 23:06 pm
@cab: #314
“Raubenheimer has not played a single game of S14 rugby,…”
You see, this is the kind of thing I’m talking about. You may or may not be right with your opinion of him. I don’t know. Have not seen enough of him to make a call.
But, I would like to think that next time a white player is chosen for the Boks without having played any S14/15, you would be against it on the same grounds.
30 Nov 2009, 23:09 pm
@cab: Definitely not on what they say.. but take a good look at their selections.. its a better measure… Every racist twat that has blogged on site, even Exkreni purported to be not racist… FK we all know how the evaluate them.. Even you have managed to detect the twats.
30 Nov 2009, 23:11 pm
The Springboks should be about excellence, call it the Bushpigs if it makes you feel better, does not bother me.
It should be that when someone is selected for the national team they know they are amongst the select few genuinely best in their position – a genuine honour reserved purely on merit – no colour involved.
How do you think consciousness or any form of esteem is developed, its by competeing and succeeding at every level – selfmade men the world over are not those that ***** and moan – they get on with it and find a way regardless of the obstacles.
If you trying to convince me that modern SA wont select a talented black player who is as good as his white counterpart – i would say you talking utter ****. There are no obstacles at all, quite the opposite.
30 Nov 2009, 23:14 pm
Is an exasperatedly fine line for any coach in this politically motivated environment to walk between transforming staid perceptions and traditional attitudes and broach new breeding grounds for broader inclusitivy from outside those traditional nurseries.
If some those players become capable and competent at the highest level through exposure of such nature, then the exercise has been largely successful. If not then the exercise can be deemed a wasted opportunity.
30 Nov 2009, 23:17 pm
@nama1:
fair enough, and you might point to frans steyn, but then again i;d say any back weighing 100kg+ and slotting goals from 60m out is the sort of talent for which an exception can be made – he is far superior to his contemporiers – raubenheimer is not. and skin colour aint into it.
if raubenheimer was built like jonah lomu and made that sort of impact fine, but he is not, and is unlikely to be a started for any s14 team.
30 Nov 2009, 23:18 pm
@cab: SA rugby is constrained by legacy… That Legacy is racist.. Take a look at Loffie.. This twat chose to lose rather than expose black talent.. **** Muir will continue with this stupidity at the LIOns. I will expose any racist twat if given the opportunity to interview them in public.. This site is a prime example.. How many twats have I exposed.. Even Mark Keohane and his twat journalist are afraid to enter into a debate with me…They know that I will annialate them
30 Nov 2009, 23:19 pm
@Langenhoven: if a coach has this brilliant talent at fh,and they dont play that player in that position,it does not make sense.why take your best fh prospect in the country and play fb,and then bring in some bone head to cover that position.
when rose came through the ranks at wp,i always thought that the hype around him superseeds his abilities.no doubt,he has them special sporadic moments of sheer brilliance,but it’s not enough in the modern era.
nick koster is the same,all this hype around this player,and the only time i’ve seen some of that was when he played at 8 coming on as a reserve…
players should be evaluated on their playing and not when the media think they are the ****
30 Nov 2009, 23:20 pm
@cab: #330
How many coloured players have you seen become Boks in other provinces although they are from the Cape. Why did they have to leave? Because the coaches felt that they had their required number of “quota players” on their books. Players like Guthro, Ashwin, Ricky, Adi, JPP. Can you even imagine the above mentioned players playing together with Breytie in the same WP team a few years ago?
I bet you can’t. The coaches of WP also could not. Therefore they did not sign some of these players. As long as they could field there minimum of two required “quotas”, all was well.
30 Nov 2009, 23:21 pm
@Langenhoven:
well you can expose any racist twat you want if it makes you feel better. what makes you think loffie was such a racist twat, he was the one who selected and bought earl when your beloved WP did not want him?
30 Nov 2009, 23:23 pm
@nama1:
sure these are good players, but what about the white players they are competing against? must they just give way because they are white or because their forefathers were racist twats?
30 Nov 2009, 23:26 pm
@cab: The strategy of Seek and Destroy mate… He wnats black players to win for him without somebody considering them as springbok material.. All white coaches have sworn to the protection of the Legacy.. Nama1 Makes a good point.. Why have all the great Coloured players of the Cape not been retained in WP..
30 Nov 2009, 23:26 pm
@cab: #339
Forget about Steyn.
As I said “next time a white player is chosen for the Boks without having played any S14/15,…”
30 Nov 2009, 23:28 pm
@toe-jam: I think that this conversation is way beyond you mate… you should try and read all the posts.. I have answered all your stupid assertions already
30 Nov 2009, 23:28 pm
@toe-jam: @cab: fair enough cab, i just think you’re misguided if you think most black people want the “black fella shouted up” so that the “conciousness” of black can be propped up, some of us grew up playing & watching the keegan daniels, dewalt potgieters, luke watsons, brent russells of this world and are not deluded about how good or average those players were compared to their black teammates/counter-parts.
As long as players like vulindlu are pushed to play wing while donkeys like strauss & swanepoel are given chance after chance and still ******* up you will still have the black extremists tempering with the system of selection, that means you will still me bemoaning selections like raubenheimer (who by the way i also thought looked lost @ sea)
When you have hans coetzee’s of this world being given springoks like jaque fourie to coach in the currie cup and nobody screams “non-merit selection or quota coach” while coaches like eric sauls, paul treu are around you will still have the black extremists tempering with the selection system!
30 Nov 2009, 23:29 pm
@Langenhoven:
seek and destroy…this is very strange tactic, loffie could only pick players for the Lions, he had no say on their selection for the Boks.
why have all the great coloured players not been retained in the cape? i dunno, but presumably cos there were deemed to be better players at that time (by the racist twats)?
30 Nov 2009, 23:29 pm
its this fine line that is the problem.
What coach supposed to do with hands tied behind his back.
WP Nel, Vermeulen, Alberts, Sykes, Louw, Liebenberg, Mapoe, Grant, S. Pretorius, Joe Pietersen should have gone. I would have selected them.
So who would I have left behind.
Kanko, Jannie Dup, Roussouw, Ndungane,
Who else
Burger, Botha, Matfield, Fdp, Kirchner, Steenkamp, Jacobs, WO, who?
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