Muller intent on Ulster move
1 Feb 2010
Johann Muller has requested an early exit from his Sharks contract in order to leave at the end of the Super 14.
Muller’s contract with the union runs until the completion of this year’s Currie Cup, but last season’s captain has asked to leave before the tournament begins in order to join Ulster. Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl told keo.co.za that the future of the Bok lock will be resolved next month.
‘Johann has spoken to me and asked to leave,’ Van Zyl told this website. ‘The matter still has to be ratified at our quarterly board meeting in March.’
Reports stated that Ulster’s operations manager David Humphreys flew out to Durban recently to speak to the 29-year-old Muller about a two-year deal. It has also been reported that Ruan Pienaar has been approached by the Belfast-based club, but his financial demands could rule him out.
‘That is news to me,’ said Van Zyl. ‘Ruan’s young [25] and we’d never allow him to go at this stage of his career.’
The pair are the latest Sharks players to be linked with moves away from Durban, as last week reports suggested Bismarck du Plessis was in talks with French big-spenders Toulon.
‘I don’t know anything about that. I have no idea why there are so many stories going around about our players, probably because we have so many Boks,’ said Van Zyl.
Meanwhile, the Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik contract saga is no closer to being resolved. Last week, Saru were forced to get involved in the matter when the Lions laid an official complaint as Alberts made his debut against the Force last Tuesday.
Saru referred the matter to judge Lex Mpati, the chairman of the judicial committee, who will appoint a disciplinary committee to hear the matter.
‘I thought I would have received a letter from Saru by now, but we still haven’t had any response,’ said the Sharks CEO. ‘It would be nice if this matter could come to an end soon.’
By Grant Ball
94 Comments
1 Feb 2010, 13:01 pm
lots more pain to come i am afraid.
1 Feb 2010, 13:04 pm
Things falling apart at the Sharks?
1 Feb 2010, 13:08 pm
Go Muller, go! I hate watching you play
1 Feb 2010, 13:08 pm
Because Muller is leaving? Hardly cause for concern.
1 Feb 2010, 13:09 pm
@Tacitus: starts at the coach….and permeates through…
Plum in a catch 22….and he is not going to be there long.
Heard that Burden, Carstens, Jannie dup, Bissy, Kockott, murray, Ruan all want out….
But then i get accused of being an alarmist?
Bloody hell, best the sharks have a good bit of introspection, before a proud franchise is brought to its knees.
1 Feb 2010, 13:10 pm
Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark!
1 Feb 2010, 13:16 pm
@Staal:
it is the stench of pap snoek after a healthy turbo reverse with the handbrake on…
1 Feb 2010, 13:17 pm
@gunther: LOL
Classic…
Slappes is scarce??
1 Feb 2010, 13:17 pm
@grant10: sheesh, you must have the biggest ears in capetown grant
i heard that rassie is unhappy with his salary and because wp wont allow him onto the roof at newlands. alastair is unhappy because he is colour blind and cant read rassie’s signals.
gio aplon is unhappy because another hobbit (joe petersen) has been allowd out of the shire (as an aside how was that smashin tackle by jpp? expect more of the same as joe also injures his arse, elbows and ****(sic) )
funnily enough, i heard schalk is about the only happy man at wp as the days have been improving, along with his tan
1 Feb 2010, 13:20 pm
@gunther:
1 Feb 2010, 13:21 pm
@rangerman: Schalk unhappy at seeing his arse whilst trying to tackle Deysel! He actually then just used his legs to trip him! Schalk vs Rugby laws, always an interesting battle.
1 Feb 2010, 13:22 pm
Heard Ruan also wanted to go but his salary demand was to high.
1 Feb 2010, 13:23 pm
@Dantalian: I see it’s mentioned above.
1 Feb 2010, 13:23 pm
ostrichman and Ratel….i look forward to seeing the reduction in humour as the losses rack up ….
1 Feb 2010, 13:23 pm
@Staal:
staal I have something I would like to discuss with you but not here … to do with rugby, something for the players, can I get roy to give you my email?
1 Feb 2010, 13:24 pm
Schalla is getting a tan from all the camera lights as the media is going “dilly” regading the Tri Cup the Stormers has won…
1 Feb 2010, 13:24 pm
by the way….when last has smit started a game where his team has won??
1 Feb 2010, 13:24 pm
@grant10:
Carstens/J.Dup-replacable by Cilliers/Herbst
-Only downside is experience but Jannie has done nothing since moving to Sharks much like overrated/expensive softie Kees Lensing.Biggest flop in franchise history.
Bissy-would be huge loss.marquee player for union
Kockott-has been surpassed by McCleod in recent season.Plus is known to be a hothead,unstable.Makes instinctual often bad decisions
Murray-needs a big yr by all accounts.Has been on injured list on and off from 18+ months.Leaving wont solve his problems.But plum messed up by not including him last yr’s CC final and telling press he was injured.That was a misrepresentation of the fact-I know for a fact Waylon want injured that day.He felt betrayed by Plum that why huge uncertainty at last of season.but he is staying put for now.
Ruan-he isnt the great flyhalf hope.He isnt even the great scrumhalf hope.He needs a big yr otherwise HE IS GAFFIE DU TOIT
1 Feb 2010, 13:27 pm
**CC semi final
Muller-good riddance.Even Greg Rawlinson was a better player and thats not saying much.AB or not,he was decidedly avg/mediocre
1 Feb 2010, 13:28 pm
@Staal:
actually he is out with tennis elbow after spending the weekend cleaning the cobwebs in the province trophy cabinet…
1 Feb 2010, 13:28 pm
@mshiniwami: i agree with what you are saying
But my point is missed….why do they want out??
Therein lies the poison….ostrichman reckons i have big ears….well maybe i do know someone close to the set up….and all i hear is bad news…
But the feathered osterich rather chooses to make jokes and brag about 1 scrum….
Perhaps thats half the sharks problem …a loser attitude and soft approach.
1 Feb 2010, 13:30 pm
@grant10: seeing that you know all aout Barney our skipper, please answer this question.
Barney has applied JWhite’s advice for ages, he says JWhite knows his game inside out and he respect Jake’s rugby knowledge…..
so why didn’t he retire when JWhite advised him to go.
komaan, jy weet mos als oor Baney…..
1 Feb 2010, 13:30 pm
@grant10: Italy, before that the 3N and the Lions Series.
1 Feb 2010, 13:31 pm
@gunther: o – sorry nie gesien nie… 100%
1 Feb 2010, 13:33 pm
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR): thanks…italy…great scrum that….once BJ came on…before…TURBO REVERSE…0 TO A 100 IN 2 SECONDS!
1 Feb 2010, 13:33 pm
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
did you see jpp smash joe petersen?
i think a hair moved out of place. nothing that Primrose’s Perms cant fix luckily
@grant10: why would our humour decrease grant? didnt seem to decrease your chirps when wp didnt make the semis last year?
@grant10:
now i thought after your win you would have far more of a sense of humour.
big ears.
1 Feb 2010, 13:34 pm
glad you boys finally picked up on this one
1 Feb 2010, 13:36 pm
@grant10:
answer me this Rutman, did js “turbo reverse” against the stormers after wicus “layed into him”???
1 Feb 2010, 13:36 pm
@Staal: It was always the plan….retire after B Lions….
In fact it was Jakes contention that he would never have played smit at 3 …
But Smit has…for some obscure reason, decided to try and hang in….and on record now that he will only go when the coaches tell him too!!
I dont know much except some stuff that i hear more out of the mate accidentally slipping the info…i dont ask him…not fair on the guy….similar to you…dont like to put you in difficult positions…but appreciate the hints!
1 Feb 2010, 13:37 pm
@rangerman:
Did you see Sharks defeders including Bismark bounce off Luislang !!!
Did you see Brock dump Deysel ???….hell it was a thing of beauty !!
1 Feb 2010, 13:40 pm
@rangerman: ostrichman….JS was poor against Stormers…and a lot worse against W Force.
So now getting parity against the weak Stormers tight 5 is acceptable?
Wow…Sharks are letting standards slip.
Kanko and Beast must be thrilled…getting the bullet while turbo reverse slap snoek smit gets to play.
Poison comes in all forms…..thin about it ostrichman
1 Feb 2010, 13:40 pm
@rangerman:
The question should be did Smit lay into Blaauw ?? , after all he is our Bok no3 and the strongmman in our side……the answer is NO…….and that is a worry if you are a Bok supporter
1 Feb 2010, 13:41 pm
think
1 Feb 2010, 13:41 pm
@justrugby: did you see deysel monster schalk?
what about the high tackle on kocky that had him spin 360?
joubert didnt.
1 Feb 2010, 13:42 pm
anyway….Sharks…sort out the root cause of the problem….or the wheels going to seriously come off…and Bok and saffa rugby will be the weaker for it.
Outta here
Cheers
1 Feb 2010, 13:42 pm
Mannnnnnnnne….
slooooooooow down……..
1 Feb 2010, 13:43 pm
@rangerman:
Nah, saw squat !!
1 Feb 2010, 13:43 pm
ostrichman…sharks were better…dont worry about the scoreboard….just believe it….
Hell cuckooland is a lekker planet.
1 Feb 2010, 13:46 pm
@grant10: Rutman
what are you on about now? in what way was js poor against the stormers.
just by the bye, rugby is a game with 30 men on the field (barring the ref). if you concentrate on js all the time, you will only be getting about 3.33% value of money for your ticket
rather keep your eye on the ball Rutman
@justrugby: how could he? every time the scrum went down, jdup tried to do a one armed pressup to show the ct girls how strong he is
@grant10: enjoy the walk on the beach Rutman.
1 Feb 2010, 13:48 pm
@grant10: Good-bye oh great guru of the scrum. Preaching the retirement of our captain after the best Sringbok year on record and 1 year from a WC is total lunacy. You should start a cult. I’m not suprised, cause the other cancer started in the the Cape too. The conspiracy to get rid of another great Shark and Springbok captain. Never turn your back on a lawyer, especially when he comes from the cape.
Did you also want Gary dropped brutus?
1 Feb 2010, 13:49 pm
@justrugby: open the other eye then buddy
@grant10:
no need to be childish now Rutman. i congratulated the stormers on the night and said they deserved to win.
i just feel our pack was fine, the problem was our backline, notably the gaping hole at centre and the flyhalf who was small town hero once upon a time.
1 Feb 2010, 13:49 pm
Anyway, 2 weeks to go, Sharks if they pick properley should be ready……..quality players all round, except 10, 3,and their midfield combo uncertain !!
1 Feb 2010, 13:51 pm
@rangerman:
Can’t……. you okes say we stormers fans have cement in our eyes
1 Feb 2010, 13:53 pm
@grant10: No Grant, we believe the scoreboard, unlike you. Stormers were better in the Neo-whateva. Well done. You see when the scoreboard tells me something I normally believe it. Last year it told me SA is the best in 3N and better than Lions. All this with turbo-reverse gear.
Another thing I notice is that most Sharks fans were disappointed with our CC, yet most WP fans were happy with their ‘progress’. This tells me that it is you and not me that is happy with mediocrity.
1 Feb 2010, 13:55 pm
@justrugby:
so js is not quality eh?
he must be kak if he could only win the world cup, 3n (twice), a currie cup and a BIL trophy.
thats more trophies than the stormers have won in the last 15 years
1 Feb 2010, 13:56 pm
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
Stop being selective in your posting……how may more times must the man say that JS is a great captain and no 2 ????
the problem is playing him at 3 where he is poor !!!!!
Also this “captain, my captain” thing is a heap of bulldung !!!
Js is a great captain but life and Springboks would go on if he was not the Bok captain…….Juan and Vic are able repalcements !!!
1 Feb 2010, 13:59 pm
@rangerman:
This is despite the fact that JS is at 3 …not …..definetely not because of it !!!
1 Feb 2010, 14:00 pm
@justrugby: i never said that.
i may agree with it though
1 Feb 2010, 14:02 pm
anyways, no offence intended to stormers fans in general.
i am simply ti8red of hearing the same old line being regurgitated ENDLESSLY by grant, day in and day out, with very little substance.
js will play 2 and 3 this season. like he did last year.
and nothing grant or i say will make any difference.
now i must do some work.
a good day to you all.
1 Feb 2010, 14:04 pm
@justrugby: ok, ok, you won the argument.
well, you and grant
(i say whilst muttering bullshit! under my breath)
have a good day.
1 Feb 2010, 14:04 pm
chers all …going get ready to watch some varsity rugby !!
1 Feb 2010, 14:25 pm
5 Grant
and Kankowski is also not happy, there is big trouble in little Bombay.
1 Feb 2010, 14:27 pm
@RedLion:
Why is he not happy?
1 Feb 2010, 14:34 pm
lol speculation
1 Feb 2010, 14:42 pm
@justrugby: lucky sod!
1 Feb 2010, 15:03 pm
Tac
he is not happy because he is losing his spot to Alberts.
1 Feb 2010, 15:07 pm
Sounds like a mass exodus is on the cards @ the Shark tank…I believe there is something smelly brewing,the rotten stench of shark biltong…Pity…
1 Feb 2010, 15:16 pm
@RedLion: Thats the diff between Bulls & other unions, Bulls do it for the team, and if a players seems better than you…. the competition should make you better….. wtf, did Kanko think his place is guaranteed?
Why would JL Potgieter go to the Bulls under Morne
Danie Rossouw stay under Bakkies
Hougaardt/Adams under du Preez
Botha under Chillyboy (or vice versa)
And that lock signing for Bulls under Victor
Look, listen and learn boys!
1 Feb 2010, 15:18 pm
@Tisme: well said!
1 Feb 2010, 15:20 pm
@Tisme:
Although, I don’t think it’s that simple. Guys aren’t just happy to play second fiddle. Instead, it’s about how they are managed, and their career expectations are met and honestly discussed with them.
Not sure what’s going on in Durban at the moment.
1 Feb 2010, 15:26 pm
Story about Kanko not being happy is all speculation.For all intensive purposes Alberts is being looked at in a multitude of positions as in all loosefwd positions as they try find best combo or at no.4 lock but with Mostert looking good there(but injury prone) its been shelved for time being.
Kankowski should be unhappy of his form the last 12 months,forget Alberts acquisition.
Interesting fact: Did u know Willem Alberts was the boerseun on the documentary that looked at kids in their pre-teens then fast fwd 10 years and see how theyve adapted to modern days SA.had a very “segregational”(politically correct) midset as a kid.But years later changed immensely.
Played junior rugby with the guy,good man he is.
1 Feb 2010, 15:32 pm
So, the Lions had two ex Sharks in their team for the warm-up on saturday, both players contracts already expired.
And the Lions had to withdraw both of them due to the Sharks not giving them their release certificates. The one player’s dad came down from Cape Town to watch, but was told the player couldn’t play because the Sharks hadn’t issued him with a release certificate.
Two players far from first choice at the Sharks, and both players’ contracts wasn’t renewed by the Sharks.
And every-one calling the GLRU childish….Eish….
1 Feb 2010, 16:06 pm
@justrugby: Not Juan, he is not suited to the role, he can’t handle the pressure as Captain he starts yelling at his players and Victor is a damn cry baby sometimes. We need someone who is going to inspire the team in the same way as Smit. I think JdV is too relaxed. The only other player for me that ticks the leadership qualities is Habana but he’s in the wrong position to captain. So then that leaves us with Dewald Potgieter but then you’d have to drop Schalk to accommodate him. Unless we can find a suitable captain to plug that hole fast we’re going to have to persist with Smit.
1 Feb 2010, 16:12 pm
I see Bulls have signed Juandre Kruger
1 Feb 2010, 16:17 pm
Rangerman
The problem at the moment is last week every shark was bantering us, how we WILL lose to the sharks……now we win the game and we are not allowed to say ANYTHING….
We won the game but all Sharks shout premature season hype etc…..but imagine if we lost…..most shark would then write us off!!!
Here is my view…..we played a good game for pre season and lokked the part in the backs. Not too much moves was done….keeping some back for the real deal!
Forwards fronted up to most of the bullying tactics the sharks get away with o often these days as Bissie and his brother just want to klap everyone!
Our scrum dominated in most instances……NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU HATE IT! Listen to Toks and you wil hear more balanced views on it. Most Sharks and Bulls took comfort in our Light Five because it meant easy posseson for your teams….and rightly so….we had some seriuos show ponies playing(Big Joe etc)…but now we sorted this out and it is not rubbing the other supporters the right way! I say TUFF! We are here this year to play good basic rugby and finish and klaar!
The push over tries from line outs are more frequent than ever from WP/Stormers and it is all signs that the forwards are up for the task!
So…are we going to win the S14…Hell yes!!….just like any other supporter…including the Lions would say! Would I put my house on it….No way…..I’m just a fan who is supporting my team and hoping for a good season!
We should all look forward to the S14….that is what keeps it alive!!
1 Feb 2010, 16:18 pm
NOW WHEN CAN WE HAVE SOME NEWS ON H.BRUSSOW GRANT ?
1 Feb 2010, 16:21 pm
@mshiniwami:
Really? Was recently on Aus tv, I didn’t even pick that. Was a fairly sad show in the end.
1 Feb 2010, 16:21 pm
@WilladieLeeu:
Ok…but does the contracts look the same?
1 Feb 2010, 16:23 pm
If the GLRU had a case they would play them and fight it out with SARU…..just like the sharks played Alberts and will face SARU regarding this….cause they have a case!!
1 Feb 2010, 16:35 pm
@Rebels_Shark:
That is if it was the BBC ‘UP’ series following youngsters in a few countries as they grow, the RSA one was 7UP then 14UP and 21UP.
Quick google, yes it was Willem and yes the same sad endings, pollies have failed those kids, well those that didn’t die of AIDS!
1 Feb 2010, 17:18 pm
@RedLion: you’re making that up
1 Feb 2010, 17:21 pm
@WilladieLeeu: reap what you sow, dude. Doubt the Sharks would have taken that line if Manie and the clowns hadn’t gone down that route first.
1 Feb 2010, 17:29 pm
No loss at all. He’s useless.
1 Feb 2010, 19:32 pm
@Tisme:
Hmmm,,
FdP spot is under a threat from Adams?
Botha’s place under a threat from Chilliboy??
You forgot Steenkamp’s place, was it intentional?
1 Feb 2010, 19:33 pm
the beauty of mercenary professionalism. Not satisfied with pilfering talent from E. Cape, OFS, and rest, now Gauteng gets the *** end of the Guppie deal. What Alberts was thinking when he ducked for greener pastures only he could know but I reckon he’s made one big mistake. Ludick too.
Kanko should saddle up and head for the sunset.
1 Feb 2010, 19:33 pm
@Rebels_Shark:
What about their parents? no responsibilies?
1 Feb 2010, 19:39 pm
Adams streaks ahead of Fdp
As for quota wit boy kom huis toe, Gary the has been Botha, nai daai ou gaat sy gat sien long before Chilli shakes his bones.
1 Feb 2010, 19:45 pm
daamn one would think the Mullar was the B all and end all of Sharks rugby the way some folk are going on about his departure. he served the sharks well and had some good games but no cause for alarm, his form had dropped and with Mostert on board as well as Sykes etc etc he may have taken the wood in any event.
1 Feb 2010, 20:13 pm
@robdylan:
Big difference between the two scenarios.
WA and LL have valid contracts until end of 2011. These two guys’ contracts ended already.
But it seems that you guys need WA and LL more than we need the two Sharks. So we’ll then just hold on to those release papers until ANYBODY declares those contracts non-binding.
1 Feb 2010, 20:19 pm
@robdylan:
Doubt Manie would have gone that route if Van Zyl and co hadn’t approached or taken the players while still under contract.
1 Feb 2010, 20:55 pm
@WilladieLeeu: would you say the way WP/stormers with Frikkie Erasmus approached the Mossie contract situation is different to the way the Sharks have? And if so can you quickly elaborate, if it not too much to ask.
1 Feb 2010, 21:30 pm
@Hoops:
Which Sharks supporters were saying that?
All the Sharks supporters I have spoken to (including me) before the warm ups were very worried about this year.
The warmups have just increased this.
We have trouble, no argument.
Why does it make you (and others) feel good.
Surely making the semis (or winning like the Bulls did is what should make you feel good?
I am still hopeful. We have a decent pack. Lets see what ahppens.
Every side has lost players overseas at short notice.
1 Feb 2010, 21:44 pm
cmon hoops, i personally congratulated province on the night and the next day.
what makes me laugh is the windgat attitude of some supporters.
sure, times change. but i think it is a bit premature to start proclaiming the demise of the sharks franchise after a warmup game?
also guys calling the sharks mercenaries whilst crowuing about players like jf and habana, duane vermeulen etc etc is a little rich no?
its just rugby mate, banter is what it is supposed to be about.
good luck to the stormers!
1 Feb 2010, 21:47 pm
@Transformation:
Both were wrong in the way it was done.
But the difference is that Fourie waited until his contract was declared non-binding in an arbitration hearing, and for the GLRU to issue the release papers before joining up with the Stormers.
The Sharks approached SARU without their contracts declared the same, to FORCE the GLRU to release them, even though the contracts might still be binding. (AND UNTIL IT IS DECLARED AS SUCH, THEY ARE STILL LIONS PLAYERS) And they’ve played Alberts in two matches even though SARU warned them not to.
Why should the GLRU issue release papers for Alberts and Ludik, when the contracts have not yet been declared the same as Fourie’s? Makes no sense whatso-ever.
They took a fat chance in approaching SARU, and this while at the moment they are still contracted to the GLRU.
1 Feb 2010, 21:53 pm
@Transformation:
But remember that Frikkie Erasmus is also behind this debacle. He is all of these players agents.
1 Feb 2010, 21:59 pm
@WilladieLeeu: mate, what if the contracts are not binding and the lions will not sign the release forms just to spite them?
should they sit out the s14?
or just until after the sharks/lions game is over?
no man, let this come to a head which is exactly what the sharks are aiming for. lets let the judge decide who is right should we?
and all this negativity after we gave you guys henno?
the reality is that you cannot hold onto staff/employees who are intent on leaving and the lions are probably better off without the negative influence in the changeroom or on the practice field.
imagine the comments after the two rebels had been in durbs for a few weeks:
Alberts: “jis, the sea is lekker there in durbs and the sharks girls are always willing to rub in a bit of sunscreen!”
Ludick: “ja, and we had a bigger crowd when they took us around the stadium during the pre-season cleanup than we did last time the lions played province!”
these kind of reports can only lead to jealousy.
which leads to the dark side (sharks) for more leeus.
1 Feb 2010, 22:08 pm
@WilladieLeeu: i’d like to believe this frikkie chap is not dom, so after wangling mossie out of his contract on a technicality, lets agree that he set out to untangle his other two players from the lions. Now what approach do you think frikkie should’ve taked would have been satisfactory to the glru willa and would have expedited the process?
1 Feb 2010, 22:34 pm
@Transformation: They should have approached these players after requesting the GLRU to do so – as SARU regulations stipulate. Then offer the GLRU a transfer fee for these playersp If this was done, none of this shite would have happened.
But they want to take these players without paying. Think the GLRU is correct in expecting a return on their investments. And thats all they want.
2 Feb 2010, 03:39 am
i read with interest and worry at this Muller departure !!!!
It would seem to me that the Sharks are imploding …….( exploding would be external issues dictating circumstaces ) where-as all this strife and upheavel stems from the inside !!
There are a series of events that support this theory……..
Straeli get’s cannned as the Bok’s coach where by all who know the situation can have absolutely no beef..he end’s up getting hired to the Sharks front office ,and get’s the responsibity of then being the chief negotiator for player contract’s ??Huh??
Plumtree get’s top coaches job…..and we have developed “who”
as local players ??
Lose the C.C and beefed the squad ,how exactly ?With two contoversial signee’s in W.A. and L.L. …still not under contract !!!
**** around with Waylon….!!!!
never settle the F.H. situation !!!!
After having coached the Sharks to almost obscurity,shows no hard-ware…get’s uncemoniously dumped Hugh Reece-Whatever then coaches Port Shepstone and follows that to Crusaders !!!His achievement’s are “blank Blank and Blank “..NOW he get’s rehired as an assistant ( ? ) .ON WHAT RECORD !!
With Plums position as the coach to carry Sharks forward tenuious as best..it seems like H.R.E. was brought in as the coach in waiting !! This begs the question of What was Grant Bashford’s job ? If he was the backline coach ,howcome H.R.E. now leap frogs him ?
It is my opinion when the UNION starts defending their coach this is the kiss of death .I have seen it far to often and across too many sporting codes to ignore the signs and warnings .Plum is on the way out …and he has lost heart in coaching the SHARKS . With talk already surfaced about John Mitchell being sucked in as asistant to Plum. (Remember Hugh was only appointed AFTER rumours died that John was coming .Sources tell me THE SHARKS WERE turned dowm by J.M.
Seems to me there are a lot of bad decision’s being made by the Union bosses.. Brian will be retiring soon …and the susession plan is……nothing !! He too has lost the heart to Govern well !!
Seems to me all is not well down in Durb’s ..
Players truely feel they have have no-one at the helm of their ship !!!! While the players blow into the sails of the ship directing massive amount’s of forward momentun ..there is nobody at the helm ??
Leadership bouncers from one player to another ….positional changers are the order of the day …players are continually asked to play out of position .
i ask that those in charge …it must start at the top …start demanding accountability and please start by pointing the finger directly at yourselves .!!!
2 Feb 2010, 04:44 am
@WilladieLeeu:
#84
Here we go again,,,
Too simplistic analysis, you got to assume following:
1. Both players have an agent, the agent(s) are usually lawyers by training too and they all have the copy of the contract included the Sharks
2. The Sharks have their own lawyers as well, Strauli himself is a UK Barister in case you’ve missed it!
3. The FIRST question that will be raised in court is: are the players – if still under contract – still being paid by the GLRU?
4. If the GLRU stopped paying wages at any point to Albert and Ludik but without suspending them with a formal notice to SARU, the contracts are NULL and VOID
As far as we know, no suspension issued by the GLRU nor any notice to SARFU has been published.
2 Feb 2010, 06:30 am
@durbs2atl: it’s better that all of this is coming from you mate than any other non-sharks supporter, because anyone else will be accused of bias & jealousy.
2 Feb 2010, 08:49 am
@Hondo:
Eish, sometimes I wonder why….
The contracts are not the same. FACT. Fourie’s contract was until 2010, and WA and LL signed new contracts 3 months prior to moving to the Sharks until 2011.
The technicality that Mossie got off, does not exist in their contracts.
If so confident, why not then go to Arbitration immediately, rather then trying a fast one and approach SARU? It’s now been 3 months, and neither Erasmus or the Sharks have requested an arbitration or anything.
I get your point of not paying and contract being NULL and VOID. But you need to ask who was in breach of contract first? Did the GLRU stop paying the players while still training with the Lions, or did the pair go AWOL before the GLRU stopped paying them.
The two went AWOL, and after that the GLRU stopped paying them, as ANY employer would do – and that definitely does not make the contract NULL and VOID.
But anyway, Sharks should pay the GLRU a transfer fee for these players and everything will be resolved. Easy as that.
2 Feb 2010, 10:52 am
@durbs2atl:
Vocken brilliant post bru.
You put alots of things into perspective. It now makes sense why the players are scattering like rats.
I wonder who’s idea it was to change the jerseys for this season…maybe a sneaky way to make a bit of cash before the union collapses..
2 Feb 2010, 22:01 pm
@WilladieLeeu:
#92
I did address the issue of stop payments WITHOUT suspending the players for their illegal negotiation with other team while still under contract and without notice to SRFU
In that case the contract is null and void, anything else the boys are in trouble
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