Chiefs brace for barmy Durbs
3 Feb 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the latest news from New Zealand.
Chiefs brace for barmy Durbs
Chiefs coach Ian Foster says his team needs to adapt to the humid conditions if they hope to beat the Sharks.
Foster’s charges will play the Hurricanes this Friday in Rotorua before departing for their South African tour on Sunday. The coach said Friday’s fixture will be a good opportunity for his players ahead of a testing time in the sweltering city of Durban.
‘Friday’s match will see us trying some new things as well as getting the players prepared for hot playing conditions – something we will be facing in South Africa next week,’ said Foster.
Chiefs – 15 Mike Delany, 14 Jason Hona, 13 Richard Kahui, 12 Jackson Willison, 11 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 10 Stephen Donald, 9 Brendon Leonard, 8 Sione Lauaki (c), 7 Tanerau Latimer, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Kevin O’Neill, 4 Craig Clarke, 3 James McGougan, 2 Aled de Malmanche, 1 Sona Taumalolo.
Subs: Ben Afeaki, Nathan White, Toby Smith, , Hika Elliot, Romana Graham, Culum Retallick, Jarrad Hoeata, Luke Braid, Jack Lam, Junior Poluleuligaga, Callum Bruce, Tim Nanai-Williams, Dwayne Sweeney.
Woodcock to tackle Saders
Tony Woodcock will make his first appearance for the Blues when they face the Crusaders on Thursday.
Blues coach Pat Lam has named a strong team including an All Blacks front row in Woodcock, Keven Mealamu and John Afoa. Filo Paulo will fill in for Ali Williams at lock as the No 5 is out for the season with an Achilles injury.
Formers Hurricanes pair Alby Mathewson and Daniel Kirkpatrick will start at halfback.
Blues – 15 Paul Williams, 14 Rene Ranger, 13 Isaia Toeava, 12 Benson Stanley, 11 Joe Rokocoko, 10 Daniel Kirkpatrick, 9 Alby Mathewson, 8 Viliami Ma’afu, 7 Serge Lilo, 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Filo Paulo, 4 Kurtis Haiu, 3 John Afoa, 2 Keven Mealamu (c), 1 Tony Woodcock.
Subs: 16 Tom McCartney, 17 Tevita Mailau, 18 Peter Saili, 19 Tom Chamberlain, 20 Chris Smylie, 21 Stephen Brett, 22 Rudi Wulf.
McCaw lauds law tweaks
While South African teams have struggled to adapt to the new breakdown law interpretations, Crusaders skipper Richie McCaw sounded optimistic about the changes.
With the law interpretations now favouring the attacking side more at the breakdown, McCaw believes this will make defending teams more disciplined and accurate in contesting for possession.
‘I think if the refs all do exactly what they say they are going to do, and do it for the whole competition. It will be good. It will reward players that are 100% accurate,’ McCaw told stuff.co.nz, adding that the opportunities for turnovers might even improve if the referees could remain consistent.
McCaw also believes that the law interpretations will not favour any of the New Zealand, Australian or South African sides more than the other as every team will be working hard to adapt.
‘You have seen over the last few years that rugby has gone in swings where if it’s defence-orientated. Everyone figures ways of getting around that and your attack takes over,’ said McCaw.
‘I think there will be a lot of emphasis on getting the breakdown right this year so that you can actually play and it will be interesting to see which team makes the best of it.’
257 Comments
3 Feb 2010, 07:22 am
wily dragon!
3 Feb 2010, 07:26 am
Ag, Shame. The IRB saw what Brussow was doing to McCaw so they had to change the laws for the precious. Ag, Shame. Looks like someone doesn’t know when to retire.
3 Feb 2010, 07:40 am
@ Kobus, McCaw still has plenty left in the tank. And i’m willing to say come mid competition, Ritchie will be one of two players that adapted.
3 Feb 2010, 07:42 am
@Kobus Kitty: Maybe he’ll consider it after he picks up a 3rd IRB world player of the year award.
3 Feb 2010, 08:15 am
While South African teams have struggled to adapt to the new breakdown law interpretations, Crusaders skipper Richie McCaw sounded optimistic about the changes.
Should read:
“While South African teams, coaches and players ***** and moan about laws and how the whole world is against them, NZ teams are optimistic and just getting on with the job.”
3 Feb 2010, 08:31 am
@PissAnt:
Exactly, couldn’t have put it better myself.
How many SA players and coaches have gone on record as calling these changes “the new laws”?
Goodness me, Allister, they’re not new laws. The laws are staying exactly the same, it’s just the interpretation of those laws now being correctly applied.
It’s typical of us South Africans, whenever we have a citing go against us or a poor decision, what do we do? We whinge and claim there is some massive conspiracy against us.
It embarresses me greatly.
3 Feb 2010, 08:31 am
@PissAnt:
Well put PISSANT
There are changes and variations to the laws just about every year.. It is the teams that adapt quickest that come up with an advantage, not the ones who sit around and complain.
3 Feb 2010, 08:32 am
all this **** about the rule changes being designed to nullify brussouw are a joke. lets get over ourselves already and drop the conspiracy theories.
the law will suit brussouw as much as mccaw or any others. it will count against lazy players who try to kill momentum, lie over the ball and slow the attacking team.
why are we south africans so negative in our response to these changes when all they’re doing is encouraging positive play?
3 Feb 2010, 08:35 am
@Leon Schuster: @gretep:
In 2008 defending champions the Bulls could not get enough media coverage prior to the start of the Super 14.
Most of it was spent bitching about the ELV’s.
They ended a piss-poor 10th.
In 2009 everyone wrote them off, you had to visit the Bulls website to get an article on them pre-season.
They quietly went about their job and ended up wiping the floor with most comers, including a record final victory at home to reclaim the title they won in 2007.
And they did this under the ELV’s.
There is a lesson in that.
3 Feb 2010, 08:38 am
i remember when some former blue bulls frik du preez or somebody complained that the then new ELVs were created to nullify the blue bulls dominance of the competition after they?d won it in ’07, hahaha…
3 Feb 2010, 08:38 am
Has any of the SA refs done a warm-up match in NZ or Austr?
3 Feb 2010, 08:41 am
@PissAnt:
Well, why would the Kiwis and Assuies moan, seeing as all the law variations always originate Down Unda, and are designed to favour their style of play.
I also find it peculiar that only one coach from each country was involved in the panel that proposed these new interpretations. And guess what, the SA coach who was invited was none other than Rassie Erasmus, coach of the team whose style is most suited to a faster game.
That sly b*st*rd will never let an opportunity go by to try and gain an advantage off the field which he could not achieve on the field, against the likes of the Bulls.
Anyway, we’ll probably adapt. It just pisses me off that we are continually forced to dance according to tunes composed by our enemies.
Once we dominate the new variations, they’ll no doubt change it again.
3 Feb 2010, 08:44 am
i am normally positive….but really dont trust the 2 x kissing cousins….sorry…there track records of nailing the japies at every turn is part of the Sanzar landscape….we have and always be the whipping boys of decisions….
Dont trust them….
3 Feb 2010, 08:46 am
@Staal:
Good question, I’m not quite sure.
The Super 14 2010 Merit Panel consists of the following referees:
Jonathan Kaplan (SA)
Craig Joubert (SA)
Mark Lawrence (SA)
Marius Jonker (SA)
Bryce Lawrence (NZ)
Chris Pollock (NZ)
Keith Brown (NZ)
Stuart Dickinson (AUS)
The Reserve Panel consists of the following:
Jaco Peyper (SA)
Pro Legoete (SA)
Steve Walsh (NZ)
Vinny Munro (NZ)
Garratt Williamson (NZ)
Jonathon White (NZ)
Nathan Pearce (AUS)
Paul Marks (AUS)
Ian Smith (AUS)
So, in total: 7 NZ referees, 6 SA referees, 4 AUS referees, but SA referees dominate the Merit Panel.
I don’t think we have too much to worry about.
3 Feb 2010, 08:50 am
@Tacitus:
Oh Tac let’s stop with the conspiracy theories.
There are changes to laws or variations to it just about every year – it could well be argued that the reason for this was to end NZ’s dominance in World Rugby since, well, they have dominated world rugby for the larger part of the last 20 years.
Also, I do not know why Rassie was the representative of the SA Super 14 teams or who decided it. But I think it is clear to see the Stormers are actually adapting a much more tighter, physical approach to their game.
One thing I would agree to is that the Aussies thinking specifically is flawed as to their mission to make rugby more entertaining, simply for the fact that winning is entertaining especially if you look at the sold out stadiums in some SA stadiums.
The Bulls won the S14 under old laws, and ELV’s.
Similarly the Boks were almost unbeatable in 2009 in variations of the ELV’s and old laws switching between them and of course won a World Cup in 2007 under the old laws.
We need to learn to get on with the job and stop thinking that everyone is out to get us.
3 Feb 2010, 08:56 am
@Tacitus: Are you seriously saying that Rassie went to the meeting with the sole purpose to screw over the Blue Bulls. C’mon!
3 Feb 2010, 08:58 am
@rossoneri:
It is up there with, There was no moon landing……
3 Feb 2010, 09:02 am
Australian Rugby Union boss John O’Neill has called on teams to adapt an entertaining style of play during the upcoming Super Rugby season, insisting the success of the competition’s expansion in 2011 depends on it.
yeah well, that says it all…
3 Feb 2010, 09:03 am
All the whining and whoa-is-us-Japies conspiracy theories aside, any “tweaking” of the laws that make the game more attack-based is welcome in spades. I don’t blame the Boks for playing the kick and chase game because it was successful and we all love winners. They played within the rules of the time and made it work for them. But, fark-on-a-stick, it got boring. Rugby (as with any other sport) depends on spectators for survival. It competes with an ever-growing number of alternatives for entertainment. If it wants to survive, if it wants to thrive, it’s got to be as entertaining to us, the spectator, as it can possibly be. If these law tweaks help with the spectacle, fan-farking-tastic!
As an aside, notice how McCaw repeats “if the refs…” are consistent and do what they say. Which is the crux of it all, no – comes down to interpretation…again! And feels like a similar sentiment to what Brussow was saying in his article for which he was roundly lambasted.
3 Feb 2010, 09:03 am
Pissant.
They’re not out to get us in particular. They’re out to enforce their view of how rugby should be played om everyone, not just on us. If not for the political power of the noethern hemisphere, we’d be playing close to league rugby by now.
So it’s not an anti SA conspiracy. It’s a battle of philosophies, and one on which we are continually just tagging along instead of trying to manipulate it to our advantage.
3 Feb 2010, 09:03 am
@rossoneri:
No. He is not saying that Rassie went to the meeting with the sole purpose to screw over the Blue Bulls.
He is saying instead that Rassie went to the meeting with the sole purpose to screw over the Blue Bulls, Cheetahs, Lions and Sharks…
3 Feb 2010, 09:03 am
@Staal:
Someone should tell John O’Neill that his teams should adopt a winning style of rugby and actually make a play off for a change.
Aussie spectators are not bored with the style of rugby, they are bored of losing.
3 Feb 2010, 09:04 am
imo winning = entertainment!
Bulls & Bok fans were entertained last year!
3 Feb 2010, 09:06 am
@Tacitus:
Tac the only nation wanting to turn union into league is Australia.
New Zealand has too strong a rugby union culture to ever change.
And seriously, if we are worried about one nation, specifically Australia for turning union into league we need our heads checked.
There is union, and then there is league.
There is a reason there are two, tweaking to make rugby union better I have no issues with.
We had the ELV’s, we took out of them what worked, we dumped that which did not.
Rugby is better off because of it.
3 Feb 2010, 09:11 am
next rule change……. by the Aussies…
you must give written intent (triplicate) of the intention to tackle a player…. and give consent that 5 points may be deducted from your(the tackler) score if it stops a great entertaining move!
3 Feb 2010, 09:13 am
aussies plus kiwis = big trouble for saffas
its in there genes…
3 Feb 2010, 09:15 am
@PissAnt:
Yip, only the Brumbies seem to be in with a chance this year.
3 Feb 2010, 09:18 am
Personally, I think that Heinrich Brussow will adapt better than most other loose forwards… IF he puts his mind to it… people are suggesting the laws will be beneficial to the bigger guys but I disagree…
Brussow’s low centre of gravity will make it easier for him to get to his feet and put daylight between him and the tackled player… Schalk, McCaw et al will have further to go to get on their feet in a stable position from which they can put daylight between them and the tackled player and will therefore take them a fraction of a second longer…
Brussow is almost like Jonty ‘Rubber Ball’ Rhodes in that he is getting up almost in the same flowing motion in which he makes the tackle and hits the deck … to add a ‘let go’ or hand-clap to the end of that movement will hardly be any extra effort or time for him… that certainly isn’t the case for the bigger guys…
if Brussow approached this with a positive frame of mind, I believe he could become the premier fetcher in the 3N…
3 Feb 2010, 09:20 am
@DonutDunning:
Yeah, no sorry but that’s how you make an award into a joke. Last year McCaw did nothing. Humiliated by Brussow.
Who the hell does John O’Neill think he is? Teams will play however they like. I think everyone agrees with me when I say John O’Neill is a disease filled swine that only cares about himself. No doubt he instructed the Warratahs and Brumbies to buy as many top guys as possible to have some sort of hope of making the semis. What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
3 Feb 2010, 09:21 am
@Tacitus: I was shocked to hear that the other 13 Super Rugby franchises meet regularly without the Bulls to discuss ways in which to neutralise their strengths. Apparently **** Muir proposed a ban on Afrikaans line-out calls. And Alistair Coetzee is trying to push a law through that says no S14 player can still live with his mom. This is potentially debilitating for the Bulls.
3 Feb 2010, 09:21 am
pissant you’re farting against thunder mate. you’ll never convince these guys. the “worlds against us menatality” cant be reasoned with coz its not a reasonable argument.
personally i think the SA teams could benefit if they get their stategies right. the laws are designed to reward accuracy over cynicism. i dont see what the problem is.
only the cynics are complaining.
3 Feb 2010, 09:23 am
@Leon Schuster: Hahahahahahaha.
3 Feb 2010, 09:24 am
@katman: hey Katman… maybe they must stop all that and just start playing rugby – maybe they will win the Bulls then!
3 Feb 2010, 09:24 am
@Leon Schuster: The laws didn’t change. They’re pretty straight forward. Only the interpretation of the laws from the SH refs changed.
3 Feb 2010, 09:24 am
@katman:
It was hilarious when Victor Matfield, after a match, looked all confused and declared: “The opposition must have learnt Afrikaans, they understood all our lineout calls.”
3 Feb 2010, 09:25 am
@Bouts:
Exactly what I was saying – the laws are still the same, hence why I’m saying it irritates me when people call them “the new laws”.
They are the new interpretations.
3 Feb 2010, 09:27 am
@katman: LOL! Very Funny.
3 Feb 2010, 09:27 am
I hope this works but my gut feel tells me that we are in for more frustrating rugby, refs blowing the game to bits and his law will create so many close calls which = frustrating times for both players and fans alike.
Lets see how this pans out.
3 Feb 2010, 09:27 am
@Leon Schuster: #21 strangely, i don’t remember naka, loffie, rassie or plumtree ever complaining about the ELVs
3 Feb 2010, 09:28 am
@Kobus Kitty: Nice one, ‘disease filled swine’….well said old boyeee, maybe O’Neil and my ‘friend’ (note my name) should join forces, the perfect cancer to South African rugby.
3 Feb 2010, 09:30 am
@Kobus Kitty:
John O’Niel is the best rugby administrator of the professional era. Of course he will do whatever he can to make Aussie rugby as competitive as possible. Its what he’s paid to do.
In SA we have amateur gravy train riders who want whats best for themselves 1st, and their provinces second and the boks are an afterthought.
The fact we are world champions without someone like O’Niel shows just how strong rugby is in SA v Australia where it is at best their 4th favorite sport.
Dont hate him just coz he’s good at his job. Imagine if the lions could get someone with a braincell to manage their union??
3 Feb 2010, 09:42 am
@grant10: @13 and Im still waiting for the “get the yarpies” email to be shown to me for the proof of this kissing cousin philosophy… anyone thats spent time in NZ or Aus know that the greatest pleasure derived is by beating the other country… it used to be that way with SA and NZ, but isolation put paid to that…
it really is laughable the constant, aus/nz alliance conspiracy theory… are you guys that sheltered and paranoid? as Pissant has rightly pointed out, the rules have changed constantly to negate NZ too e.g remember the scrum formation NZ had that was outlawed?
the change is across the board, all teams will have to adapt to it…instead of moaning just get on with it..
Kobus, bwahaha Brussouw had a fantastic rookie year, but second year syndrome is endemic in sport, I will be watching him closely, and now that opposition sides are aware of his play, do you think he will continue to get such leeway… I dont personally…
3 Feb 2010, 09:44 am
What the tosh man, what happened to the Mccaw story, and why is this all of a sudden about the Chiefs…..I blame one man!
3 Feb 2010, 09:50 am
Ahaa, i see now, it’s been mixed….anyways, chiefs better believe their gonna die from humidity and heat in Durbs, i’m here on the south coast and even cloudy weather doesnt do mutch to cool us down, and were normaly a few deg. lower than Durbs with less humidity. Even though it’s a 19:00 game, it still DAMN hot that time of night….GO SHARKS….I’ll be blaming straeuli and eskom for all problems in SA.
3 Feb 2010, 09:53 am
McCaw lauds law tweaks. Lol, I pissed myself. Come on Ritchie like you actually follow the law. Its like JZ lecturing on morals. Watched the S14 semis bulls/crusaders Oom Papagaai plays by his own rules.
I’m with the Kiwis bring back rucking! The more complicated the laws are the more open to misinterpretation by refs.
We all cheat, just some are smarter and get cought less.
3 Feb 2010, 09:54 am
Sharks/Chiefs game is at night, so yes the humidity will be worse as it normally is at night.
Just hope my team are ready for the Chiefs.
3 Feb 2010, 09:57 am
Saffa teams will do well except Sharkies this year. All those last semi and final losses are taking the mental toll.
3 Feb 2010, 09:58 am
Where is Mills? does he not play for the chiefs anymore?
3 Feb 2010, 09:59 am
@Tisme: hes being rested for the first few weeks..
3 Feb 2010, 09:59 am
conspiracy theories are bs when it comes to this “law change” which is actually enforment of an existing law.
what bothers me more is the amount of penalties we have seen in the warm up games.
they are time consuming and dead boring really.
rucking is the answer, we all agree.
3 Feb 2010, 10:02 am
@KevinRack: Nope. Everyone will be getting tired of me repeatign myself, but someone has to speak up….any and all failure on the Sharks side is because of straeuli, he killed Springbok rugby, and somehow he has managed to worm himself higher and higher up the Sharks management ranks….get rid of him and a lot of hidden problems will be solved.
3 Feb 2010, 10:02 am
@poppa69: Howzit Poppa, Who all is rested in the NZ sides? I know McCaw is rested who else?
3 Feb 2010, 10:02 am
@rangerman:
Yes, we all agree – bring back rucking!
3 Feb 2010, 10:04 am
after sseing that Chiefs squad, it’s chiefs by 15-20, richerd kahui to tear the sharks midfield apart! Lauaki to boss the collisions…Go Chiefs…
3 Feb 2010, 10:07 am
@Leon Schuster: after practice last night we had the same discussion over a few ales and all were in agreement.
it seems that the entire playing body of the game agrees but the toffs running the show are not interested in seeing richie, brussow and smith changing jerseys after every breakdown.
imo it cant be worse than watching that weasel joubert WALK to the portable tv screen and strut back making a ****** show of HIMSELF before signalling his decision.
refs are defo not the reason we watch rugby.
3 Feb 2010, 10:09 am
@Transformation: luaki?
luaki to have another shocker, dropping the ball at every ruck. this guy is good on the charge but his all round skills are below par and he has never really made an impact come rucktime.
besides, the chiefs are still recieving counselling after their last visit to the republic.
3 Feb 2010, 10:10 am
and howdy transie.
so little time to chat these days and with that, i am off!
have a good day all.
3 Feb 2010, 10:13 am
The Chiefs will take a step down from last yr which thet exceeded all expectations with their reaching finals and consistent.This yr they shall return to their inconsistent best and battle to more than 2/3 games in a row.
Great bunch of backs and loosies as always but question marks lie iver halfbacks(Leonard/Donald) and tight 5.
Best attribute-gamebreakers all over the park in:
Aled De Malmanche
Liam Messam
Sione Lauaki
Sitiveni Sivivatu
Richard Kahui
Leila Masaga
Mils Muliaina
3 Feb 2010, 10:17 am
Barmy? That means mad, insane, crazy.
I think you mean “balmy”?
3 Feb 2010, 10:18 am
@rangerman:
It’s so simple, isn’t it.
Rugby is about rewarding positive attacking rugby, and the team that is in possession.
The laws with regard to the tackler and the tackled player are very clear, except it becomes a lottery when players pile over and obstruct the ball to slow it down.
If players are lying on the wrong side of a ruck and not getting out of the way, I can assure you that allowing players to ruck that offending player until he moves away will be a much better incentive for that player to roll away than the POTENTIAL chance that the referee might blow a penalty against him.
As soon as guys have had a few treads on them, I can assure you the breakdown area will be a lot cleaner and we’ll see quick, clean ball and less penalties.
3 Feb 2010, 10:20 am
@mshiniwami: I dunno about that hey…they were damn good till they got to Loftus…and frankly I see them causing upset at Shark tank the way the guys are playing lately
3 Feb 2010, 10:21 am
@TheTackler:
Nobody claims these journalists were spelling bee champions! As it happens, you are not a 100% correct either…
barm.y (adj.)
1. Full of barm; foamy, frothy.
2. Eccentric; daft (in this sense, an alteration of balmy).
3. Slang: insane (also balmy)
balm.y (adj.)
1. Having the quality or fragrance of balm; soothing.
2. Mild and pleasant: a balmy breeze.
3. (Chiefly British) Slang: Eccentric in behaviour.
3 Feb 2010, 10:22 am
@Storm outta hell: wont be an upset realy, everyone has pretty much written the Sharks off. Sharks win will be lucky at most, maybe a drop goal from John. hahaha
3 Feb 2010, 10:23 am
@TheTackler: @Leon Schuster:
Hmmmm. Maybe the intention was to use barmy…I know a lot of people consider Durban daft…
3 Feb 2010, 10:23 am
@Kobus Kitty: McCaw did so much nothing in 2009, the IRB elected him their IRB Player of the Year (for the second time). You’d better take your pills if McCaw actually starts doing something in 2010…
3 Feb 2010, 10:25 am
@Leon Schuster:
…or foamy/frothy for that matter – maybe they were referring to the waves?
3 Feb 2010, 10:25 am
@munkiboi:
Don’t make me laugh. He was the one that pushed so hard to get Robbie Deans to coach the Wallabies. He refuses to fire Deans, even though he’s been found out to be a poor international level coach – just to save his own skin.
He also is the one that demanded the ELVs come in, what did that lead to? 2 years of ****, unstructured rugby for the ****** fans to enjoy. Rubbish. What good has he done since he’s come back into Australian rugby? What has he done that makes him so good? Tell me.
3 Feb 2010, 10:27 am
@TheTackler:
That’s because the IRB are always up the All Blacks arse and couldn’t stand the thought of them not winning a single award. (Not counting woman’s rugby, we all know how good the Kiwis are at that)
3 Feb 2010, 10:29 am
How about sticky/muggy/oppressive/sultry?
3 Feb 2010, 10:31 am
@Kobus Kitty:
Actually, South Africa’s pretty good at women’s rugby, too.
That being said New Zealand has won the Women’s Rugby World Cup three times in a row now…
3 Feb 2010, 10:32 am
@Dantalian:
Muggy’s not good. Encourages the locals, scares off the tourists. Too many negative connotations…
3 Feb 2010, 10:34 am
@Leon Schuster:
looking at the article text, i think this ****** was intending “balmy” to refer to durban’s humidity, refer “humid conditions”, “sweltering”
if we accept tackler’s definitions, he got it wrong on both counts. to me, balmy means a nice sunny day with a gentle breeze.
and yes, i expect someone who writes for a living to use a word in its correct context, as well as spell it correctly.
3 Feb 2010, 10:36 am
@Leon Schuster: Have you ever seen our woman’s rugby team play..??..the most pathetic bunch of losers,don’t think they’ve ever won a match..!!
3 Feb 2010, 10:38 am
@KC:
Well, Gareth is on a hiding to nothing because “balmy” does not equate to “sweltering” or “hot”
3 Feb 2010, 10:39 am
@Storm outta hell:
Yes, I’ve had the misfortune of having to watch the Blue Bulls Vodacom Cup side play on occasion.
3 Feb 2010, 10:40 am
@Dantalian: And sultry implies a certain sexiness, which Durbs definitely ain’t.
Similarly, oppressive – here in SA – refers to the old Nat government. Durban could do without that label.
3 Feb 2010, 10:41 am
If you’re on here commenting and argueing about the mis-spelling of words, wrong words being used and gramatical mistakes i’m guessing your either retired and should be at your local club bowls tournament or have another stab at some scrable, or your realy frustated with the fact that you dont have a job and thus you feel the need to prove yourself to yourself and validate yourself. Back to some rugby please.
3 Feb 2010, 10:42 am
@Leon Schuster:
I suppose when you have a breeze whistling through your empty trophy cabinet any trophy will do at the end of the day…
3 Feb 2010, 10:44 am
@Predawn:
The Lions will rise again!
3 Feb 2010, 10:45 am
@Leon Schuster: @katman: Ah right. Will have to think of some alternatives then.
3 Feb 2010, 10:45 am
Just for the record.
I know for a fact SA Rugby refs boss, Andre Watson, would love for nothing better than to have rucking back in the game.
3 Feb 2010, 10:46 am
@PissAnt:
As it should!
3 Feb 2010, 10:47 am
@Puma: hey Puma, had to go have dinner mate..
I know theres a few, McCaw, Muliaina, Thorn… not sure who else though
3 Feb 2010, 10:49 am
@FireStraeuli: scrabble – 2 b’s
3 Feb 2010, 10:49 am
@Leon Schuster:
The Kiwi trophy cabinet is a bit empty.
I won’t pass remarks on any South African teams this year based on the imminent catastrophe of The Sharks Super 14 campaign this year.
3 Feb 2010, 10:52 am
@PissAnt: Good to know…but some @ssholes will always push boundries…a fine line between stomping and rucking,and exactly which body parts will be rucked…I remember players filing down their studs to needle points to cause maximum damage…
3 Feb 2010, 10:54 am
@Predawn: “imminent catastrophe” Whateva buddy.
3 Feb 2010, 10:55 am
@Storm outta hell:
Unfortunately, it is not up to him.
Point is, don’t always blame the refs as the bad guys.
3 Feb 2010, 10:56 am
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
I take it you disagree?
3 Feb 2010, 10:57 am
@PissAnt: No…and rucking should certainly make their job easier…
3 Feb 2010, 10:57 am
@Predawn: Yes.
3 Feb 2010, 11:04 am
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
Thought you were a Cheetahs fan. I’m a hardened Sharks fan.
You don’t come across as very bright.
3 Feb 2010, 11:05 am
@Predawn:
Yes, he thinks Morne Steyn is overrated
3 Feb 2010, 11:05 am
@Leon Schuster:
Or is that underrated?
3 Feb 2010, 11:10 am
@Leon Schuster:
Overrated? I guess it takes all types.
He was pure genius in the Super 14 final and the Tri-nations.
He came a bit unstuck in November but then who didn’t in the Bok team.
3 Feb 2010, 11:10 am
@Predawn: Under-rated and he’s not anymore, that’s why I changed my nic. I’m a Shark, just a fan of Morne and Ratel. So tell me, hardened Sharks fan why you think we are looking at a catastrophic season?
3 Feb 2010, 11:13 am
Management coach, players leaving…and rumours of low morale within the team.
I personally think it started back in 2009 already.
The kak is going to spat this season.
3 Feb 2010, 11:13 am
@Predawn: U is for over and I’m the one that doesn’t come across bright?
3 Feb 2010, 11:15 am
Had no idea what MSIUR stood for until now.
3 Feb 2010, 11:16 am
@Predawn: Check out what Muller has to say on the issue on rugby365. Straight from the horse’s mouth, no rumours or open secrets.
3 Feb 2010, 11:17 am
@Dantalian: hehehehehe, will try not to remember that.
3 Feb 2010, 11:18 am
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
To be honest that was my mistake
3 Feb 2010, 11:20 am
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
Well they better start getting a paraat houding on the field.
This Dirtbin “I’m so cool” attitude is getting old now.
The fans want to see that they mean business.
3 Feb 2010, 11:25 am
Sharks to finish mid table, they don’t have enough quality to win away this year, it will be a return to the good old days when a Saffa team couldn’t buy a win in NZ.
3 Feb 2010, 11:26 am
@NZINCHINA:
I fear you are quite correct.
2009 6th place
2010 10th place
3 Feb 2010, 11:27 am
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR): I sure hope u and Muller are correct, because that article seems a bit scripted, words like ‘hunky-dory’ does instill some fear.The biggest concern for me is the lack of player management and that can only be as a result of one person…..I will however be backing the Sharks to the end, even with straeuli there.
3 Feb 2010, 11:31 am
@Predawn:
They are still a good side but you could see at the business end of the season last year that they just didn’t have the goods.
3 Feb 2010, 11:39 am
@NZINCHINA: Yah…that’s about when things started going wrong for them…and it continued with the Boks NH tour…
3 Feb 2010, 11:41 am
@NZINCHINA: …also picking up so few bonus points during the tournament shows a lack of being able to deliver the ‘killer punch’…something all too prevalant in SA sports
3 Feb 2010, 11:46 am
@Storm outta hell:
Yer they should have scored a lot more tries when they were inside the op’s 22, from memory they fluffed quite a few simple ones, who you picking this year?
3 Feb 2010, 11:52 am
I’m hoping my team’s gonna make for a better showing(semi’s) at least but as a betting man my money’s on the Crusaders at Christchurch
3 Feb 2010, 11:55 am
Sides to watch this year: Bulls, Blues, Crusaders and Brumbies.
But don’t write off the Sharks, we’ve improved our depth and hopefully without the BOOT in the team we will be looking to setup more trys. The squad may have lost some talented individuals, but it certainly has a lot of depth.
3 Feb 2010, 12:01 pm
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR):
Nobodies writing them off, just don’t think they will finish higher than they did last year.
3 Feb 2010, 12:02 pm
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR): They need to stick with Meyer at 10…Ruan at 9 when he’s fit will be a fearsome combo…
3 Feb 2010, 12:25 pm
@Ratel Brussow (MSIUR): hahaha not the “depth” hoax again? What happened to the depth you had last year, has it evaporated?
3 Feb 2010, 12:31 pm
Bulls, Stormers to make top 4…
Sharks will struggle, mostly because of their forward pack (Besides Beast, Smit, Deysel and Bismark) Watch Kankowski play, he’ll make a break then lose the ball in contact like a woman. Keegan Daniel the runt. Botes the old journeyman who doesn’t know when to either retire or play up North. Muller is just an awful lock, doesn’t compete against opposition throws. Notice when Bakkies Botha and Danie are injured/cited for the Springboks and big ol’ Muller comes in 90% of the time we’ll lose.
Add all that together with the fact that Ruan Pienaar is in the team and there you have it, best spot on the ladder this year for the Sharks would be around 7th place. Would love to be proven wrong but I think Hernandez hurting his back really screwed them.
3 Feb 2010, 12:31 pm
how do i join the keo group on superbru?
3 Feb 2010, 12:32 pm
Blues – 15 Paul Williams, 14 Rene Ranger, 13 Isaia Toeava, 12 Benson Stanley, 11 Joe Rokocoko, 10 Daniel Kirkpatrick, 9 Alby Mathewson.
That is one hellova back line (If it clicks).
3 Feb 2010, 12:35 pm
there’s nothing balmy about durban evenings in february.
april, may, june and july – just perfect evenings.
where is that matie centre that signed for the sharks and was touted as the real deal?
3 Feb 2010, 12:38 pm
@charo: Howzit Charo,
Yip just very humid and not good to play rugby.
From April until end of August the weather is brilliant.
3 Feb 2010, 12:40 pm
sharks will be fine….see news 24…Dollie to the rescue.
3 Feb 2010, 12:40 pm
@cane: You said it..!!…if it clicks…every year the Blues seem to have the most potent backline,but lately the ‘Saders,’Canes and even Chiefs have had it over them…must be those non-clicking days
3 Feb 2010, 12:42 pm
JDV looking for a home….now sharks….go get him and BJ…
3 Feb 2010, 12:42 pm
@Puma:
hi puma.
if i had the tom, would have a summer penthouse in clifton and a winter one in umhlanga rocks
3 Feb 2010, 12:43 pm
@grant10: Wahah…it must be even worse than I thought…Straulli is scraping the barrel for left overs…nothin’ against Dollie personally,but I rate Earl Rose over and above him and that’s not very high…
3 Feb 2010, 12:44 pm
@cane:
rene ranger…. is that his porn star name or his reall name?
3 Feb 2010, 12:44 pm
put smit out top pasture…..
Beast…bissy….bj
Sykes…mostert
Botes….Deysel….Alberts
Ruan
dOLLIE
jdv
a jACOBS
JPP
ODWA
lUDICK
bOBS YOUR AUNT
3 Feb 2010, 12:45 pm
@charo: YEBO!
3 Feb 2010, 12:46 pm
@Storm outta hell: Well …he is seen as a possible solution…never saw much of Dollie…i know PDV rated him highly.
3 Feb 2010, 12:46 pm
yeah now the sharks will be cooking with Dollie in the mix…
3 Feb 2010, 12:47 pm
bench
Smit
Cilliers
Hargreaves
Kanko
Kockott
w murray
s terblanche
3 Feb 2010, 12:47 pm
@charo: Yip, That would be for me too.
No weather is better than Durbs in during the winter months.
Still can be hot in April. I love it from May until end of August.
Cape is magnificent this time of year.
3 Feb 2010, 12:48 pm
Dollie is an Emerging Bok….SA u 21…
3 Feb 2010, 12:49 pm
@grant10: 129 – He was really good in the U21′s but has done nothing since. So not sure where he is going to fit in at the Sharks. Maybe play him first in the CC I think.
3 Feb 2010, 12:50 pm
@grant10: Yah well…PdV also rates ER highly…
3 Feb 2010, 12:51 pm
@grant10: You can not bench Smit Grant????? He is the Sharks captain mate. Get real now okay? He is playing TH cause PDV wants him too. Just let it go now. Phew!!!!!! You really have him on the brain a lot buddy
3 Feb 2010, 12:52 pm
@Puma: s meyer and dumond?
Perhaps Meyer….give Dollie a chance…see how he goes…Sharks must see the talent….would not contract him otherwise.
3 Feb 2010, 12:52 pm
@Transformation: The kid has talent…but can’t tackle…at Super 14 level he’ll leave a gaping hole which opposing teams will be licking their chops in anticipation…
3 Feb 2010, 12:52 pm
@Puma: bench him i say…just my opinion.
3 Feb 2010, 12:54 pm
Cheifs lineup:-
why Mike Delaney at FB ? and yet they continue to persevere with the Beaver at no10. That team aint going nowhere fast.
All fingers and toes crossed that Kahui retains fitness for 1 whole season, he really needs to kick on this year and get some confidence. This man is the Real Deal !
Leonard also needs an injury-free season. His re-introduction to the ABs on the back of no gametime did not show him at his best. Potentially he is still the best no9 in NZ, he just needs a long run of games.
Lauaki as Capt is some kind of sick joke. Presumably this is designed to mature the player. Funnily enough, I always thought the maturity had to come BEFORE the Captaincy. And lets not forget his tendancy to disappear mid-game for long periods.
I hope DeMalmanche has spent the WHOLE offseason threading the eye of a needle with a large square object. Because thats the only thing that is going to progress his game. Conquer those fears and the Black jersey could be his.
Hopefully Nanai-Williams gets a shot. He looks handy.
3 Feb 2010, 12:54 pm
@grant10: Not Dollie, not yet in any case, they should first ease him in by giving him a run with Sharks XV in voda-cup, then get him in the CC and after all that only will I play him in the Super14, not wise to throw him in the deeper end of the deep end of the pool…..yep JDV and BJ, baby come back…straeuli will sadly be sure to **** that up.
3 Feb 2010, 12:55 pm
@grant10: You can not bench a captain Grant. You know that though.
He will alternate between Hooker and TH. My feeling he will play plenty at hooker this year. Good to be able to rotate with Bissie there. Keep them both fresh this season and for the Boks later in the year.
3 Feb 2010, 12:56 pm
@grant10: Meyer’s the MAN…Sharks just got to stick with him for now…kockott and pienaar to battle for starting no 9…
3 Feb 2010, 12:59 pm
@Puma: at 2…i am happy….at 3…no way Jose.
Anyway…old stuff.
But get JDV and BJ….thats the opportunity.
I assure you Lions and Stormers will be trying there luck there!
3 Feb 2010, 12:59 pm
@Storm outta hell: Ja….give Meyer a go there at 10….Ruan not keen.
3 Feb 2010, 12:59 pm
@grant10: 137 – Don’t think Sharks going to play Dollie in the S14. Probably ease him in. Probably CC or even Voda-cup.
I would just play Meyer at this stage at FH until Ruan is over that op. That is Ruan’s only chance of getting a position in the Boks squad. We have enough good scrummies. Ruan just left to play FH will be great. Give the kicking to someone else.
3 Feb 2010, 13:01 pm
Blues:-
what a different team they would look if Ali W had regained fitness. Instead some no-name comes in at lock and out goes the chance of regular setpiece ball to a dangerous backline. Huge loss, Ali – huge fears now that he will ever return.
Rene Ranger – have yet to see this kid but Puma gave him the thumbs up last year so he must have some talent. I hope he’s better than Rudi Wulf, who looks overrated and average at best.
I wonder if the kid, Kirkpatrick, is any relation to the Kirky ?
Blues style of play relies heavily on turnover ball and link play. So who is packing down at openside ? Dont recog any of the candidates there, doesnt bode well.
Will Rocketman find his confidence ?
Will Toeava be allowed to play in 1 position ?
3 Feb 2010, 13:02 pm
Cheers all have to dash.
Howzit BP. How you mate? Catch up later.
Out of here now.
3 Feb 2010, 13:04 pm
@Puma: Okay Puma, so we’re in agreement then, straeuli se hol… Dollie to get a run at voda-cup, Pienaar at fh is perfect, will be the best we’ve seen, and history has shown us that we need a Sharks fh to win the wc.
3 Feb 2010, 13:08 pm
@Kobus Kitty: That message of entertaining rugby was aimed at the Aussie teams.
As a person John O’Neill may very well be a ****, but he is the most proficient of the CEOs in the SANZAR organisation.
Running a sport that is only the 4th most popular football code in the country, he helped get Australia to world champ status and stay in the top 2-3 teams in the world consistently.
The reason NZ have been siding with Australia is that in the form of the NH rugby clubs (and their money), they face a similar threat that Aus rugby has for decades, and are the masters of adapting to.
With the talent and support base available South Africa should have been undisputed champions of rugby for the last 20 years. Instead they do as little as required to stay up near the top.
It is only a matter of time before South Africa face the same problems as Aus and now NZ (it has already begun has it not? See Frans Steyn), and will have to start looking at the big picture too.
@munkiboi: Sorry Munki, I wrote that up then realised you had written almost the same thing, but more eloquently
3 Feb 2010, 13:12 pm
@grant10: meyer played only 30 min how can he be the likely choice, what are you people basing you comments on?
3 Feb 2010, 13:12 pm
this is pdv’s team that lost in the final of the world cup in ’06 (i think that was the year) and if you look at the progress made by other the other guys WP/Stormers have really fcuked around with Dollie & Newman…
SA U21: 15 Scott Spedding, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Waylon Murray, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Marius Delport, 10 Isma-eel Dollie, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Hilton Lobberts, 6 Keegan Daniel, 5 Wilheim Steenkamp, 4 Nikolai Blignaut, 3 Sangoni Mxoli, 2 Chiliboy Ralepele, 1 Heinke van der Merwe.
Subs: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Werner Kruger, 18, Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Adriaan Strauss, 20 Warren Malgas, 21 Morgan Newman, 22 Cedric Mkhize
3 Feb 2010, 13:16 pm
@Transformation: Agree….but after seeing Dumond i would rather play Justrugby at 10!!!
Seriously…there is no one else…get Dollie into the mix and compare apples with apples..
3 Feb 2010, 13:17 pm
@Transformation: What happened to the Mxoli chap?
3 Feb 2010, 13:18 pm
@Transformation: Newman is still in the mix here…big time…recovering frominjury thats all.
3 Feb 2010, 13:19 pm
@Transformation: How do you lose with a team like that? Almost a complete S14 team (even the bench) with a healthy dose of Springboks to boot!
3 Feb 2010, 13:26 pm
@Transformation: Now that’s the problem with having a law which forces the junior teams to be 50% black (or whatever the correct terminology is), it always leaves room for everyone to doubt there ability, and guaranteed that is why Dollie has been (possibly) underestimated. Was he there on merrit or just colour.
Now all of a sudden we are expected to believe that he is the next best thing since sliced bread, according to whom? Not even the brumbies was willing to give him a run at fh, now we have to find out if he is just another bust at the expense of the already fragile Sharks S14 campaign?
3 Feb 2010, 13:39 pm
@FireStraeuli: for crying out loud isma-eel dollie was the BUSINESS in this team, he was there on MERIT!
3 Feb 2010, 13:40 pm
@Kobus Kitty:
100 rand / 5 NZ$ the stormers don’t make the top 4.
3 Feb 2010, 13:52 pm
@NZINCHINA:
Actually, if any SA team made the playoffs then I hope it is the Stormers. I like their style of play, atleast they give the ball some air. And with Habana now to convert a few more opportunities, this could just be their year.
But Schalk as Capt ? he’s no rocket scientist. And we keep being told “he’s not like that” whenever the Citing Officer says otherwise. I dunno, he doesnt seem the best choice as Cappie but maybe it will ‘mature’ him like it will Lauaki (yeah, right).
3 Feb 2010, 13:54 pm
@NZINCHINA:
Okay, lets also have a bet that the Bulls will molest the Chiefs by 60+ points again.
3 Feb 2010, 13:54 pm
@Black Panther:
Burger makes a better captain than McCaw.
3 Feb 2010, 13:55 pm
dear dr d
my friend has turbo reverse on the brain and my mates and i are dead worried about him…
his girfriend is tired if doing the turbo reverse because she says it makes her feel like a pap snoek…
we are all tired of eating turbo reverse with a side order of pap snoek whenever we go out for a meal…if I never eat a turbo reverse again it will be too soon…
whenever we go for a drink it’s always turbo reverse on the rocks with a twist of pap snoek….
everytime we go to his house we always have to watch “turbo reverse the movie” on tv and listen to his new pap snoek and the chummers album…
we all reckon he has an unhealthy fixation but the dr refuses to treat him because he says john smit will retire after we win the 2011 world cup so what’s the point…
how can we help him get over himself?
signed
bored (and disillusioned) in cape town
3 Feb 2010, 14:01 pm
dear Gunther
Remember the turbo reverse when we get dumped out the WC in quarter finals because we sentimental ladies that are not prepared to face reality without teletubby Barney.
When last has one of his teams he lead won??
Italy??
Already imploded in CC semis….will continue to be embarressed as season goes on.
Matfield for Bok skipper…Smit..thanks for the memories…time up.
3 Feb 2010, 14:02 pm
@gunther: But classic post!
3 Feb 2010, 14:07 pm
@Transformation: You can cry as loud as you want, seems to me he is one of only two players in that team that didn’t get contracted to any of the franchises. Business end you say, ummmm, prove it without using PDV to substantiate your point. Anycase, all I’m saying is that the doubt is sadly there because of that law, whether it’s right or wrong, legal or illegal and whether you like it or not.
3 Feb 2010, 14:14 pm
@Kobus Kitty: @162
at last count, McCaw has Captained teams to:-
3 x NPC titles
3 x S12/14 titles
2 x unbeaten NH tours (incl 1 x Grand Slam)
3 x TriN titles
Im interested to hear that Burger is now “a better Capt”. How many titles has he Captained teams to ?
Neither has McCaw ever been cited for foul play.
In fact, who in World Rugby has captained more winning teams ?
3 Feb 2010, 14:22 pm
@FireStraeuli: hey, doubt all you want thomas, it’s no skin off my back…it’s not like i am here to peel the blinkers off ur eyes kakade. I was merely making the point that wp/stormers mismanaged a good asset in dollie. You agree, you don’t agree, cool bananas…
3 Feb 2010, 14:25 pm
@grant10:
@gunther:
Youre both right.
But lets be fair. J.Smit is an outstanding leader of men. He is eloquent. And he is a fair player (and whens he’s not, gets dumped on his big butt). As a Capt, the ONLY black mark against his name is the armband.
Unfortunately as a player he is not the best in his position whether that be TH or Hooker. And, yet, lets not forget that shove in Hamiltron ’09, that was class.
G10, you need not repeat yourself. The longer Sharks and Boks keep retaining him and fiddling him between 3 & 2, at this age, the happier opposing fans will be. Bismarck is the best no2 in the World – and look how well Rooney is playing since Ronaldo left ManU ! The same would happen to Bismarck, no doubt whatsoever. And a real TH would be given his chance.
Smit should have retired after the TriN, as the Greatest Bok Capt ever and his legacy enshrined. That would have allowed a new Capt to tour NH without real expectations but mould the squad in his own way.
Captain going fwd – youre kidding about Matfield, surely ? I would pick Juan Smith or FdP or, a longshot punt in Brussow. Great players, assured of their position and would be inspirational.
3 Feb 2010, 14:27 pm
@Kobus Kitty: “Okay, lets also have a bet that the Bulls will molest the Chiefs by 60+ points again.”
In Hamilton? You’d better squeeze a win there, first of all.
3 Feb 2010, 14:33 pm
@grant10:
dear dr d
matfield is a useless international captain…. wh have been down that rd.. he gets so far up the refs nose they call him the cat scan….
how many scrum are there in an international game?
how many rucks / mauls tackles?
smittie is so much better than bj in the loose its scary…
personally i don’t mind where he plays but play he will…
signed
unsentimental (and realistic) cape town
ps I would have given him jan and feb off… fdp as well…
3 Feb 2010, 14:59 pm
@gunther: i dont know why i got the reply to your mail to dr d but i thought i would forward it on to you:
dear mr gunther
its ok to be sentimental about a player who has delivered so much, bled for the cause and held a trophy that no living kiwi has been closer to than 20 meters, and that was only when they were hosted magnificently by the wonderful springbok supporters in 1995.
but i digress.
john smit attracts grants attention because he is such a lionheart. secretly grant is a religious man and cannot accept a player being so flwaless.
i wouldnt worry about john smits long term plans. he has seen off the entire blue bulls union and will probably sit out a game or two, faking injury as we all know he is indestructible, just to force all his doubters to scream insistently for his return.
just like in 2007.
until then, give them all the rope they need.
yours faithfully
dr d.
3 Feb 2010, 15:05 pm
@Leon Schuster: Citing against us is inconsistent boet you have to admit. Look at last year, Bakkies got two weeks for an elbow while Lauki didn’t even get cited after nearly decapitating Habana. All we’re asking for is consistency.
3 Feb 2010, 15:10 pm
@rangerman:
dear dr d
I thought luke was the only flawless person in rugby…
signed
confused in cape town.
ps.. sometimes it burns when I pee…
3 Feb 2010, 15:15 pm
@Transformation: Nice to see you getting behind South African teams. Tell me what is it you hate about the Sharks that you’d rather see a Kiwi team? I’m not a huge fan of the Stormers or the Lions but I’d rather see them win over Aus / NZ any day. Country first then province in my book.
3 Feb 2010, 15:18 pm
@grant10: To blame the Sharks failing on Smit when really our problems are at 10 and midfield is pretty pathetic. You really have a vendetta against this oke.
3 Feb 2010, 15:19 pm
Smit is all over rover….a season to far….out of shape and behind the 8 ball…slow, weak and the only road is downhill….
Respect Smitty…legend…but we all need to walk away….
Cheers smit…thanks for the memories.
3 Feb 2010, 15:20 pm
@KZN King Shark: my only vendetta is against a weak turbo reverse bok scrum….same front row that turbo reverses for sharks….wake up !
3 Feb 2010, 15:22 pm
Mr G
on a serious note…agree about giving smit off to march…he needs time to rest AND CONDITION…SERIOUSLY NEEDS THAT IF HE IS TO SHAPE UP.
3 Feb 2010, 15:22 pm
@grant10: You seem to have a Turbo Echo…
Get a new soap box!!!
3 Feb 2010, 15:23 pm
seems it takes foreighners to see the lightlike the kiwi BP?
Of course….he is not blinded by weak sentimentality….
3 Feb 2010, 15:24 pm
@Rum And Maple: Smits echo….not mine
3 Feb 2010, 15:24 pm
@Rum And Maple: 180
And follow the thread…i didnt start this banter!
3 Feb 2010, 15:25 pm
@KZN King Shark: 176
A backline getting kak ball is in trouble….wake up!
3 Feb 2010, 15:26 pm
@grant10: What did John Smit do to you?
Did he not send you a sighned copy of his book?
Will immediately sort it out…
Anyway… new soap box…
3 Feb 2010, 15:28 pm
@grant10: I’ve follow Keo all the time… You’ve been on the Smit issue since the November tests…
3 Feb 2010, 15:28 pm
@Rum And Maple: he cant scrum at 3 and makes the boks scrum weak….otherwise he has done nothing to me….i dont know him….just seriously believe he should have retired end of year….i feel he is a liability now…thats all.
3 Feb 2010, 15:29 pm
@Rum And Maple: no…much longer…ever since he was first put at 3…knew it would be turbo reverse.
3 Feb 2010, 15:30 pm
dear dr d
my friend turbo reverse and his mate mini reverse think that smittie is fat and slow…
the funny thing is that I saw him last week in the flesh so to speak and he looked in pretty good nick (not in a *** way you understand)…
I know turbo reverse was “at the game” ( I think he mentioned it once or twice) but I think he may be prone to overstating the case… I know tha smittie is not as buff as my mate turbo, but then who is?
please help me…
signed
dubious in cape town…
ps I watched the final of 2007 world cup the other night during a nasty bout of insomnia… I must say smittie looks in pretty similar shape ….
pps I know the camera adds 10 pounds…
3 Feb 2010, 15:31 pm
@grant10: It only started to ‘turbo reverse’ after the 60th minute against the stormers, that was when the replacements started pouring into the scrum and i’m guessign old smitty thought he could take it a bit easier and thus kinda sat back and waited for the others to do the work….The man also gets tired you know.
3 Feb 2010, 15:32 pm
@gunther: LOL
he is a vetgat …
And in 2007 i hope you saw how our scrum was rock solid….guess who was at 2?
And who was at 3?
3 Feb 2010, 15:33 pm
@FireStraeuli: kak…i was there
3 Feb 2010, 15:34 pm
@grant10: and i’m guessing gary [g]old has had a big hand in the boks’s scrum failure, ask the stormers, when he left their scrum miraculously went forward.
3 Feb 2010, 15:35 pm
@grant10: Ja,ja…Same old… I’ve heard your point about a million times everyday…
For your own sanity I advise you drop the issue… accept what you cannot change and move on…
Singing the same tune over and over will not make it a number one hit…
Smit will be there, and the Boks will be better off with him than without him.
3 Feb 2010, 15:36 pm
@FireStraeuli:
turbo reverse was there don’t forget… so you can’t have seen anything….unless you agree with what he saw…
3 Feb 2010, 15:39 pm
@grant10: Exactly, u didnt get to see the countless playbacks and reverse angles, and you didnt have any comentary from bobby convincing you how great the ref was at making sure the game gets played in good spirit…anyways, it might have started going backwards at the 55th minute, but it wasnt going backward at the start of the game, it deteriarated….you say fat, i say not match fit, give him anada chance.
3 Feb 2010, 15:40 pm
Smit goes to WC 2011 as our first choice tighthead….Boks will be home after q uarter final….
3 Feb 2010, 15:41 pm
@FireStraeuli: i would give him a chance at 2….if he gets into shape….never at 3
or bench or retire him.
You dont win super14s or WC on sentiment.
3 Feb 2010, 15:42 pm
and remember …i didnt start this….Ostrichman and Gunther did.
3 Feb 2010, 15:44 pm
@Rum And Maple: @185 He criticised Luke Watson in his book and since then G10′s rather rational arguments has taken on overtones.
3 Feb 2010, 15:44 pm
@bananaboy: that should be “have”and not has.
3 Feb 2010, 15:45 pm
@grant10: @181
Ive printed that, framed it, and replaced the degrees with it.
Shucks, my very first Keo Compliment.
*sigh*
As an opposition fan, however, I say “Keep it Comin, Smit !”
3 Feb 2010, 15:46 pm
but ….enough of this…beach time….
cheers all the sentimental teletubby loving ladies….have fun reminiscing about 2007….
and remember ….1 scrum a international Tighthead dont make…
But dozens of turbo reverse….a kak tighthead makes…
outta here
3 Feb 2010, 15:47 pm
@Black Panther: LOL
Yeah Mr BP….evey now and then we should listen to what our opposition are whispering…
Cheers
3 Feb 2010, 15:48 pm
@grant10: jaja Rutman
not one thread you have posted on in the last 3 months has not been sujected to your never ending story about js.
not one.
that must be some kind of record. with scratches on as deep as the umgeni valley.
and you are a hiker, alone, with a broken ankle.
maybe juniorrutman will come and help you out?
i think he will probably break his ankle too.
and all the while, life goes on.
3 Feb 2010, 15:49 pm
@grant10: Well i’ll give you that, he is much better at 2 than at three, probably less tired as well, but we were going backwards even after smittie got subbed, so not to sure what the sharks stand to do unless we get bj back, and then there is the bismarck problem, cant leave him out….i’d say vs weaker scrums put smit at TH and against stronger teams use him at hooker and sub him after 60 min.
3 Feb 2010, 15:49 pm
G10 don’t forget that Kiwis like BP will try and pull the wool over your eyes. They can’t wait to see the back of a captain that took the 3N’s off them and beat the B&I Lions.
3 Feb 2010, 15:51 pm
@gunther:
Smit has not got the technical nous to play TH , why can you not accept that ??
He is a jelly fish (yes another name)at 3 !!!
Why are you happy to see the Bok scrum being smashed, stuff this that there are few scrums in a match , **** man, your scrum needs to at least maintain parity, if not you play off the back foot all game , I want my TH to do his primary function first and foremost, being effective in the loose is a bonus!!!
We have said at nauseam that Smit is a great captain and a very good 2, why just not let him rotae with Bissy ?? what’s the problem ?? Bissy ego going to gett hurt ??
But to accept a demolishing at scrum time for the Boks is something I will not do !!!
Now the likes of Ostrichman and Ratel and yourself will say , the sharks were the best scrumming side in teh S14, that we beat thhe BIL with that front row, well since the CC semi and on the EOYT something has gone very wrong and all fingers point to Smits inabilities as a technically sound TH , for goodness sake I and other bloggers are not blind we see what we see, TH’s are born not made …..never will be !!!
Why so defensive of the obvious ????
3 Feb 2010, 15:56 pm
@grant10: cheers grant, enjoy your stroll, clear your head, keep it real and remember….i’m watching you
3 Feb 2010, 15:57 pm
@justrugby:
mini reverse Junior Rutman, right on time.
i have to go.
enjoy.
3 Feb 2010, 16:03 pm
@justrugby:
mini reverse I don’t mind where he plays as long as he plays ….
but I bow to superior knowledge as a member of the 1980′s natal b team…
3 Feb 2010, 16:04 pm
@bananaboy:
Id like to think I wielded anything like that much power. Sadly I am just 1 of many hopeless rugby obsessives with nothing more than an opinion. And, in fact, Im far more damning about my own teams and players.
Beating the Lions ? maybe thats something to cheer about in SA….
3 Feb 2010, 16:07 pm
@Black Panther: Well, beating the ab’s three times in a row isn’t.
3 Feb 2010, 16:11 pm
@gunther:
Sigh…..whatever
3 Feb 2010, 16:12 pm
@rangerman:
You can run but you can’t hide
3 Feb 2010, 16:19 pm
Grant…
How come you don’t want JdV in Cape Town…?
His agent said he’ll give first bite of the cherry to WP when he does come home…
hopefully Rassie has already booked his plane ticket and filled his pen…
3 Feb 2010, 16:30 pm
@KZN King Shark: it is the super14 dude and a person can choose to support any of the 14 teams…i support the springboks, there done, my duty as a fan is complete! After that it is free-for-all
3 Feb 2010, 16:41 pm
@ufo: no…i will be most grateful and happy to have him back….i am just not sure it is going to happen….
Sorry if i gave wrong impression…
3 Feb 2010, 16:43 pm
@gunther: 211
Thats rude my man….JR has never got that personal with you.
Unneccessary …banter is 1 thing….that just shows a kak streak G.
3 Feb 2010, 16:46 pm
@Black Panther: @212 BP you underestimate your powers of persuasion mate. Aren’t you an attorney/lawyer?
3 Feb 2010, 16:47 pm
@grant10:
Cool Grant… had me worried for a moment there…!!
It’s not a certainty that’s for sure… A long way from it…
BUt with his agent saying that… If Rassie hasn’t done something about it already……?????
Imagine the backline with JdV fighting for his place with Juan De Jongh…??? Good stuff…!!
3 Feb 2010, 16:48 pm
Moenie die local kerrie eet nie **** Chiefs….julle sal spuitpoep !
3 Feb 2010, 16:52 pm
@ufo: JDV,JF,Habana…Joe P…Aplon,newman….Lionel Cronje,Januarie,Duvenhage…Juan de jongh..
Wow!
3 Feb 2010, 16:53 pm
all 40000 tickets for sat friendly GONE!
Cape Town ….what a city!
3 Feb 2010, 16:57 pm
@grant10:
Wow… indeed…!!!
@grant10:
Seriously…??? Nuther WOW…!
I didn’t get mine…!! sheesh…
Best supporters in world rugby…!!
3 Feb 2010, 16:58 pm
@grant10: however you can stand to win tickets on Flo’s website! So check it out!
3 Feb 2010, 16:58 pm
@ufo: amazing….for a Boland Fiendly…!
Going to be a cool afternoon.
3 Feb 2010, 16:58 pm
@grant10: Newman?
Nah dude, overrated big time…
3 Feb 2010, 16:59 pm
@SpringbokSarah: i have mine….had to buy 32!!!
3 Feb 2010, 16:59 pm
@ufo: naturally… it’s where I live
3 Feb 2010, 16:59 pm
@WP_: I like him…at 12…remember he was playing at 13 for wp…..
3 Feb 2010, 17:00 pm
@SpringbokSarah: How is Mr Luke these days?
3 Feb 2010, 17:00 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
and all the cool WP peeps…
3 Feb 2010, 17:01 pm
@grant10: 32?! Why on earth would you want to do that!?
3 Feb 2010, 17:01 pm
@grant10: 223
And Connie Jantjes!
3 Feb 2010, 17:04 pm
@grant10:
I am sorry for having a “kak streak” … you can be very sensitive when the mood takes you can you not..
I am sure that if mini reverse is upset with what I said he can tell me so himself…
3 Feb 2010, 17:04 pm
@grant10: good good
@ufo:
3 Feb 2010, 17:04 pm
@grant10: Nah, he played a lot at 12 too. suspect defence, Wynand made he look very silly in the CC last year at Loftus..
Nah, if you want a 12 then De Jongh is streaks ahead of Newman, he just needs to learn to pass – too selfish imo. Des Fountain is a good player too, we need him back from injury
3 Feb 2010, 17:05 pm
never thought it would sell out like that…!!
40 000 well dones!!!!!!!
3 Feb 2010, 17:06 pm
@ufo: that’s nothing… remember we crashed computicket’s server before
3 Feb 2010, 17:08 pm
Should WP move from Newlands to Cape Town (Green Point) Stadium?
Hell No!
The people who voted yes are probably not from Cape Town!
3 Feb 2010, 17:09 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
yeah I know…
but for a friendly against Boland???
awesome stuff!!!!
3 Feb 2010, 17:11 pm
@ufo: lol I don’t think it’s so much Boland but as the new stadium and the Cape Town 10′s
3 Feb 2010, 17:13 pm
Um as I am Sarah, fan page manager to many, player 23 April 09 and Stormers fan of the week for 6 weeks… I rate my vote should count for more on the poll
3 Feb 2010, 17:15 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Mates and blondes mates
3 Feb 2010, 17:16 pm
@gunther: He is too much of a gentleman…i am not!!
3 Feb 2010, 17:20 pm
@grant10: 32… I would never do that… max I ever took was 6… and Andrew who is a lock so I count him as 2 people
3 Feb 2010, 18:05 pm
@bananaboy: @220
was, old boy, 16yrs ago !
Nah, just passing an opinion. As an AB fan Im absolutely delighted to see Smit continue. Im a huge fan of Bismarck as a player, so the more he becomes disgruntled and marginalised whilst seeing his best playing days the better. And I remember very well the Buck Shelford-Gary Whetton transition years which lead to reigning-RWC ABs being dumped in 1991.
@FireStraeuli:
this is true. To think 3-0 vs the Blacks and with neutral refs too !
Lets see how 2010 works out. Personally when ranking rugbys greatest rivals, I dont notch up RWCs or TriNs. Thats just modern waffle. The only thing that counts betw SA vs NZ is (1) Away Series wins – currently 1-1 and (2) Head-to-Head (since 1992/isolation).
In 2010 the Boks have 2 Tests in NZ, lets see if they can nick another Away Series.
3 Feb 2010, 18:07 pm
@WP_: @238
That de Jongh looks tasty. Runs lines of a 13 tho, not a 12. But, as you say, a 13 MUST learn to pass. I havent seen enough of him to know, but he was easy on the eye on EOYT’09.
4 Feb 2010, 00:30 am
@Black Panther: ‘easy on the eye’, ‘looks tasty’….now I know why you were so insulted by the NZ women comments, you are one!
4 Feb 2010, 00:33 am
that’s a joke btw bp, before you write me an essay
4 Feb 2010, 00:40 am
@Big Hit:
if it werent for the genius at Keo that took away the number ref, I might have an iota of an idea what youre talking about. Or care.
@Big Hit:
BH, Im cracking jokes here all the time but just because I dont have a teachers stamp attached to it, doesnt mean Im serious either.
This way, some of the idiots here even take me at face value. And, trust me, this is MUCH more fun !
4 Feb 2010, 00:58 am
@Transformation: Fair enough. Personally I don’t feel any inclination to support any of the Kiwi or Aus teams but different strokes for different folks.
4 Feb 2010, 01:05 am
@grant10: He does need to get into shape though. Smit and Bismarck should be the Bok hookers. Yes Bissy is the best in country and one of the best in the world but who else is there that can share that role with him? Perhaps Strauss? But with Smit comes the great leadership as well. So get Smit in the shape, move him back to 2 sharing with Bismarck and BJ at 3 then Bob’s your tannie!
4 Feb 2010, 01:09 am
@justrugby: Have to agree with JR there. PdV and Plum need to catch a wake-up call and move Smit back to 2 to share with Bismarck. I mean what do we do if Bissy gets injured?
4 Feb 2010, 02:19 am
@Big Hit: @251
and here I was thinking that was a ref to a reply between us 2, and it was right before me on the previous thread. DOH !
We Kiwis are passionate about rugby, BH, thats all I can say.
Seriously, who IS the farken eejit at Keo that dropped the no’s off the replys ?!? I like to know WHY and WHERE Im bein dissed.
5 Feb 2010, 09:31 am
Not to split hairs, but I think, GarethD, you mean BALMY Durbs, as in moist, tropical, etc.
Unless you’re saying the Durbanites are all a little crazy, then barmy works just fine…
Have your say
You must be logged in to post a comment.