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		<title>By: TheTackler</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1514755</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTackler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as well you didn&#039;t! It has, however, almost become the lyrics of a hit song performed by a choir of SA cricket scribes, including the clowns opining here, to bag Harris and insist on his unsuitability as a test spinner in spite of the record books proving them all wildly wrong.

I think he&#039;s a world-class spinner and a deserved selection, and the numbers prove me right. 

The trouble comes in when a bunch of couch yahoos who know diddly-squat about cricket in general and spin-bowling in particular suddenly feel that their dime-a-dozen-dimwit opinions count just as much as that of someone a whole lot better informed.

Dullards really get my dander up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as well you didn&#8217;t! It has, however, almost become the lyrics of a hit song performed by a choir of SA cricket scribes, including the clowns opining here, to bag Harris and insist on his unsuitability as a test spinner in spite of the record books proving them all wildly wrong.</p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s a world-class spinner and a deserved selection, and the numbers prove me right. </p>
<p>The trouble comes in when a bunch of couch yahoos who know diddly-squat about cricket in general and spin-bowling in particular suddenly feel that their dime-a-dozen-dimwit opinions count just as much as that of someone a whole lot better informed.</p>
<p>Dullards really get my dander up.</p>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1514173</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 06:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1514003&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TheTackler&lt;/a&gt;: 177
I&#039;m guessing here but I suppose your last paragraph is aimed at something I said about other bloggers also calling Harris&#039; season &quot;mediocre&quot;.

Now if only you can direct me to where I said that Harris is an &quot;unworthy selection&quot; or should not be in the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1514003" rel="nofollow">TheTackler</a>: 177<br />
I&#8217;m guessing here but I suppose your last paragraph is aimed at something I said about other bloggers also calling Harris&#8217; season &#8220;mediocre&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now if only you can direct me to where I said that Harris is an &#8220;unworthy selection&#8221; or should not be in the team.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTackler</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1514139</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1514023&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP_&lt;/a&gt;: Hear hear!  ODIs aren&#039;t real cricket either. They are a bit like cappuchinos made with instant coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1514023" rel="nofollow">WP_</a>: Hear hear!  ODIs aren&#8217;t real cricket either. They are a bit like cappuchinos made with instant coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1514023</link>
		<dc:creator>WP_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20/20 is not cricket. It&#039;s a circus.</description>
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		<title>By: TheTackler</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1514007</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTackler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the 20/20 tip-and-run miss-and-giggle &quot;sport&quot; -- that is to cricket what candy-floss is to a balanced diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the 20/20 tip-and-run miss-and-giggle &#8220;sport&#8221; &#8212; that is to cricket what candy-floss is to a balanced diet.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTackler</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1514003</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1513399&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Almighty Shaun&lt;/a&gt;: Limited overs is indeed about containing, but if you only have 10 overs, you hardly even have time to get the oil in your sump warmed up. 

Spinners in ODIs have a totally different sort of containment role --- batsmen can&#039;t use the speed of their deliveries to get the boundaries they seek and are therefore obliged to tonk them quite recklessly. Also, whenever a wicket falls, the new batsman takes time to get his eye in, and this curbs the run rate. So it makes a huge difference to his rpo rate if a spinner comes on at or near the fall of a wicket or whether he&#039;s brought in to curb an eye-in pair of batsman flaying the seamers to the fence. There&#039;s hardly any subtle mind-game playing going on in an ODI as there is in a test.

You can&#039;t truly show your spinner&#039;s bottling-up art in only 10 overs.

But, subtleties aside, you&#039;ve been given factual proof by Wisden of how good a test spinner Harris is --- an ER deeply below 3rpo, and up there on both ER and SR with the likes of Vettori and Harbhajan and not all that far off that of Warne and Murali.

Anyone who thinks Harris is an unworthy selection is an ignoramus foolishly reciting the dumb views of other ignoramuses as &quot;proof&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1513399" rel="nofollow">The Almighty Shaun</a>: Limited overs is indeed about containing, but if you only have 10 overs, you hardly even have time to get the oil in your sump warmed up. </p>
<p>Spinners in ODIs have a totally different sort of containment role &#8212; batsmen can&#8217;t use the speed of their deliveries to get the boundaries they seek and are therefore obliged to tonk them quite recklessly. Also, whenever a wicket falls, the new batsman takes time to get his eye in, and this curbs the run rate. So it makes a huge difference to his rpo rate if a spinner comes on at or near the fall of a wicket or whether he&#8217;s brought in to curb an eye-in pair of batsman flaying the seamers to the fence. There&#8217;s hardly any subtle mind-game playing going on in an ODI as there is in a test.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t truly show your spinner&#8217;s bottling-up art in only 10 overs.</p>
<p>But, subtleties aside, you&#8217;ve been given factual proof by Wisden of how good a test spinner Harris is &#8212; an ER deeply below 3rpo, and up there on both ER and SR with the likes of Vettori and Harbhajan and not all that far off that of Warne and Murali.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks Harris is an unworthy selection is an ignoramus foolishly reciting the dumb views of other ignoramuses as &#8220;proof&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it, novice</description>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1513815&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP_&lt;/a&gt;: 
As long as you believe it, it will come true....one day.</description>
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As long as you believe it, it will come true&#8230;.one day.</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey dude. Get over your little Oom Tas obsession. It&#039;s borderline disturbing.

I know more about cricket now, than you will ever know in your sad little life, so goodbye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey dude. Get over your little Oom Tas obsession. It&#8217;s borderline disturbing.</p>
<p>I know more about cricket now, than you will ever know in your sad little life, so goodbye</p>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
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		<dc:creator>nama1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1513788&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP_&lt;/a&gt;: 
Good come back. :lol:

Yes. And feel, and see, and smell. All my senses are intact. It seems if you have lost some of yours.

Oom Tas does that if you over indulge. You should be careful. Where are we going to get another expert if you lose all of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1513788" rel="nofollow">WP_</a>:<br />
Good come back. <img src='http://www.keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes. And feel, and see, and smell. All my senses are intact. It seems if you have lost some of yours.</p>
<p>Oom Tas does that if you over indulge. You should be careful. Where are we going to get another expert if you lose all of them?</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<dc:creator>WP_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>171 nama

Oh you can hear? Suprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>171 nama</p>
<p>Oh you can hear? Suprising.</p>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1513775</link>
		<dc:creator>nama1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1513773&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP_&lt;/a&gt;: 
Sorry to hear that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1513773" rel="nofollow">WP_</a>:<br />
Sorry to hear that.</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<dc:creator>WP_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>169 nama

Yes it&#039;s the only one I know.

Stormers were decent. Go Chiefs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>169 nama</p>
<p>Yes it&#8217;s the only one I know.</p>
<p>Stormers were decent. Go Chiefs</p>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
		<link>http://www.keo.co.za/2010/02/09/india-vs-sa-day-4/#comment-1513716</link>
		<dc:creator>nama1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1513681&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP_&lt;/a&gt;: 
Why don&#039;t you try another descriptive word. &quot;pathetic&quot; is becoming boring or is it the only one you know? 

Oom Tas doen dit aan &#039;n mens. Laat hak jou vas... hak jou vas...hak jou vas...ha

Your take on the Stormers performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1513681" rel="nofollow">WP_</a>:<br />
Why don&#8217;t you try another descriptive word. &#8220;pathetic&#8221; is becoming boring or is it the only one you know? </p>
<p>Oom Tas doen dit aan &#8216;n mens. Laat hak jou vas&#8230; hak jou vas&#8230;hak jou vas&#8230;ha</p>
<p>Your take on the Stormers performance?</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<dc:creator>WP_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>166 nama

I really doubt that I&#039;m the one who drinks th cheap wine in this situation. HAHAHA.

You are amusingly pathetic. Good for you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>166 nama</p>
<p>I really doubt that I&#8217;m the one who drinks th cheap wine in this situation. HAHAHA.</p>
<p>You are amusingly pathetic. Good for you</p>
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		<title>By: SodaJoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on you Lions!!!</description>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
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		<dc:creator>nama1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1513467&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP_&lt;/a&gt;: 
Come now WP_, calm down.

Just pour yourself another glass of that cheap red wine you like so much. What&#039;s its name?
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Oh yes.... Tassenberg or is it Oom Tas. 

You sound like an oom Tas man to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1513467" rel="nofollow">WP_</a>:<br />
Come now WP_, calm down.</p>
<p>Just pour yourself another glass of that cheap red wine you like so much. What&#8217;s its name?<br />
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<p>Oh yes&#8230;. Tassenberg or is it Oom Tas. </p>
<p>You sound like an oom Tas man to me.</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<dc:creator>WP_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh shut up Nama you miserable little character</description>
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		<title>By: nama1</title>
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		<dc:creator>nama1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1512342&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TheTackler&lt;/a&gt;: 128.
He DOES turn in figures of around 2rpo as a rule. 

134
His career avg at 2.7 IS very comfortably below 3rpo. 

At least we have now move away from the notion that Harris turn in figures of around 2rpo as a rule and accept that that is the exception hence his career ave of 2.73. Not bad if you compare it to the other recent top spinners in the world as you prove.

Your view that 2.7 is comfortable below 3rpo is probably debatable. I already stated what I regard as such and am not going into it again.

BTW, you should be careful using stats on this forum to prove a point. WP_, our resident cricket expert, does not like it very much and may start calling you a &quot;stats monger&quot; if you continue doing that. :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1512342" rel="nofollow">TheTackler</a>: 128.<br />
He DOES turn in figures of around 2rpo as a rule. </p>
<p>134<br />
His career avg at 2.7 IS very comfortably below 3rpo. </p>
<p>At least we have now move away from the notion that Harris turn in figures of around 2rpo as a rule and accept that that is the exception hence his career ave of 2.73. Not bad if you compare it to the other recent top spinners in the world as you prove.</p>
<p>Your view that 2.7 is comfortable below 3rpo is probably debatable. I already stated what I regard as such and am not going into it again.</p>
<p>BTW, you should be careful using stats on this forum to prove a point. WP_, our resident cricket expert, does not like it very much and may start calling you a &#8220;stats monger&#8221; if you continue doing that. <img src='http://www.keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Almighty Shaun</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOu lost the plot mate.. Limited overs is about containing and therewith limiting the oppositions runs... Taking wickets is less important than reducing the runs. In 20/20 ER is a massive factor... But in 5day test cricket???.. Don&#039;t be silly mate.

You qualify your argument by referring to wisden reporting on that bit of stats.. They report on many things.. average age,average caps, average lbw, catches.... and other less significant factors that can be measured...

For all the noise you make on this blog about quotas, etc.. your inability fathom the basics of cricket reduces your credibility even further in raising any rational arguments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOu lost the plot mate.. Limited overs is about containing and therewith limiting the oppositions runs&#8230; Taking wickets is less important than reducing the runs. In 20/20 ER is a massive factor&#8230; But in 5day test cricket???.. Don&#8217;t be silly mate.</p>
<p>You qualify your argument by referring to wisden reporting on that bit of stats.. They report on many things.. average age,average caps, average lbw, catches&#8230;. and other less significant factors that can be measured&#8230;</p>
<p>For all the noise you make on this blog about quotas, etc.. your inability fathom the basics of cricket reduces your credibility even further in raising any rational arguments</p>
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