Super 14 Preview: Round 5
12 Mar 2010
Jon Cardinelli and Ryan Vrede analyse the key match-ups and pick the winners at the weekend.
The Reds and Cheetahs continue to prove the naysayers wrong, and it’s small consolation the central franchise aren’t playing this week. You can also back the Reds to come good against the Force on Sunday, because John Mitchell’s side look firm favourites to take the wooden spoon.
It’ll be another mixed bag for South African sides this weekend with the Bulls and Stormers affirming their places in the top 4 while the Lions and Sharks continue to dwell in the Super 14 cellar.
KEO.CO.ZA SUCCESS RATE
Vrede: 19/27 (70%)
JC: 18/27 (67%)
Round 4
Vrede: 4/6
JC: 4/6
Round 3
Vrede: 4/7
JC: 4/7
Round 2
Vrede: 6/7
JC: 5/7
Round 1
Vrede: 5/7
JC: 5/7
CHIEFS vs CRUSADERS, HAMILTON, FRIDAY 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: I sense there will be more hurt in Hickville. The Crusaders cannot match the Chiefs’ flair, but their organisation and tactical intelligence will see them triumph. The Crusaders have the second-best defensive record in the tournament and their ability to stifle their opponents’ momentum at the breakdown has been at the heart of their success from a defensive perspective. The Saders, led by Richie McCaw, will strive to slow the Chiefs’ recycle, and the Reds showed last week that when you do that, a team that prides itself on being the tournament’s great entertainers are reduced to an ordinary looking outfit. Crusaders by 5
JC’S CALL: Dan Carter schooled former protege Stephen Brett last week, and he’ll get the better of Test understudy Stephen Donald on Friday. Andy Ellis’ injury is a big blow, as the Crusaders’ scrumhalf has been key to the Cantabs’ rumble on attack. But don’t write off the youngsters in this Crusaders out wide, or indeed, up front. They’ve played as a team, and as long as McCaw and Carter stay fit, they’ll be difficult to beat. The Chiefs have the broken-field runners to punish an errant approach, but the Crusaders won’t play to their opponent’s strengths. Crusaders by 7
Chiefs – 15 Mils Muliaina (c), 14 Lelia Masaga, 13 Richard Kahui, 12 Callum Bruce, 11 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 10 Stephen Donald, 9 Brendon Leonard, 8 Colin Bourke, 7 Tanerau Latimer, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Craig Clarke, 4 Romana Graham, 3 Nathan White, 2 Aled de Malmanche, 1 Sona Taumalolo.
Subs: 16 Vern Kamo, 17 Toby Smith, 18 Culum Retallick, 19 Luke Braid, 20 Junior Poluleuligaga, 21 Mike Delany, 22 Dwayne Sweeney.
Crusaders – 15 Jared Payne, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Robbie Fruean, 12 Ryan Crotty, 11 Zac Guildford, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Kahn Fotuali’i, 8 Kieran Read, 7 George Whitelock, 6 Richie McCaw (c), 5 Isaac Ross, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Ti’i Paulo, 1 Wyatt Crockett.
Subs: 16 Corey Flynn, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Sam Whitelock, 19 Thomas Waldrom, 20 Willi Heinz, 21 Adam Whitelock, 22 Colin Slade.
WARATAHS vs LIONS, SYDNEY, FRIDAY 10:40
VREDE’S CALL: I’ve been caned for being less than complimentary about Dick Muir’s mob, but their results have provided ample ammunition and their stubborn refusal to adopt a more measured approach will see them sink in Sydney. After months of working with the squad, Muir still doesn’t know what his best combinations are, and this, combined with tactical naivety and a group of players incapable of making his expansive vision a reality, suggests more pain is on the way. The Tahs have been average to date, but even a fourth gear performance will be enough to down the visiting pussycats. They’ll be patient on defence and feed off the Lions’ errors (which should be plentiful), controlled through the phases, and have enough class in other facets to bank the points. In his post-match assessment last week Muir said ‘victory is around the corner.’ He fails to see that there are no corners when you’re running in a circle and returning to an ineffective game plan time after time. Waratahs by 12
JC’S CALL: The Lions have improved over the last two weeks in that they went from a 12-point loss to the Hurricanes to a 11-point loss to the Brumbies. What’s next? A 10-point loss to the Wobblitahs? Phil Waugh’s charges have been average, kind of like Australia’s version of the Blues. They’ll trouble the Lions at scrum time and bank big points through Berrick Barnes’ boot unless the Lions’ front row produce a disciplined display. If the Wobblitahs are smart, they’ll slow it right down. Everybody should be shooting for five log points against the Lions, but patience is key. The hosts lack patience as well as synergy at the moment, and while they’ll win comfortably, it will be without the bonus point. Waratahs by 10
Waratahs – 15 Sosene Anesi, 14 Lachie Turner, 13 Tom Carter, 12 Berrick Barnes, 11 Drew Mitchell, 10 Daniel Halangahu, 9 Luke Burgess, 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 Phil Waugh (c), 6 Dave Dennis, 5 Kane Douglas, 4 Dean Mumm, 3 Al Baxter, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Benn Robinson.
Subs: 16 Damien Fitzpatrick, 17 Sekope Kepu, 18 Will Caldwell, 19 Ben Mowen, 20 Josh Holmes, 21 Kurtley Beale, 22 Rob Horne.
Lions – 15 Earl Rose, 14 Tonderai Chavhanga, 13 Walter Venter, 12 Doppies la Grange, 11 Wandile Mjekevu, 10 Carlos Spencer, 9 JP Joubert, 8 Todd Clever, 7 Derick Minnie, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar (c), 5 Willem Stoltz, 4 Franco van der Merwe, 3 Kevin Buys, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 Heinke van der Merwe.
Subs: 16 Charles Emslie, 17 JC Janse van Rensburg, 18 Jacques Lombaard, 19 Robert Kruger, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Burton Francis, 22 Wigan Pekeur.
BRUMBIES vs SHARKS, CANBERRA, SATURDAY 10:40
VREDE’S CALL: Hope has been the staple diet of Sharks supporters in recent weeks, but unfortunately for them a close-run defeat against the Tahs only served to create an unrealistic hope of success against the Brumbies. They improved in Sydney, that’s certain, but against a well-rounded unit like the Brumbies, that improvement will prove too small. Where their next try will come from is uncertain because their misfiring pack – which is laden with Springboks – has failed to lay an attacking foundation, and their attempts to remedy that problem will be complicated by the fact that they front up to a formidable set of heavies. Nullifying the hard-running loose trio of Stephen Hoiles, George Smith and Rocky Elsom will be a top priority, as that triumvirate has given the Brumbies the go-forward in winning efforts. Discipline has to be maintained as it has cost the Sharks dearly to date. I can’t see the Sharks snapping their losing streak in Canberra, but their fans will hope I’m wrong. Brumbies by 7
JC’S CALL: The Sharks believe they were robbed last week in Sydney, but they have only themselves to blame. The Waratahs should have piled on the points during the period where the visitors had two men in the sin-bin. The Brumbies, spearheaded by Matt Giteau, won’t miss that opportunity. The Sharks have brought in Andy Goode to kick for the corners and win them territory, but the Durban team has shown very few examples where a sustained build-up has produced points. In Goode and Stefan Terblanche, they have the kickers to win the booting battle, but their pack is out of form and their backline is struggling to trouble defences. The traditional Sharks’ grit will keep them in touch, but they’re missing that little bit extra needed to win the close matches. Brumbies by 5
Brumbies – 15 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 14 Pat McCabe, 13 Stirling Mortlock, 12 Christian Lealiifano, 11 Francis Fainifo, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Josh Valentine, 8 Stephen Hoiles (c), 7 George Smith, 6 Rocky Elsom, 5 Mark Chisholm, 4 Ben Hand, 3 Salesi Maafu, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Ben Alexander.
Subs: 16 Huia Edmonds, 17 Guy Shepherdson, 18 Justin Harrison, 19 Mitchell Chapman, 20 Patrick Phibbs, 21 Matt Toomua, 22 Tyrone Smith.
Sharks - 15. Stefan Terblanche, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Adrian Jacobs, 12 Riaan Swanepoel, 11. JP Pietersen, 10, Andy Goode, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Willem Alberts, 6. Jacques Botes, 5. Johann Muller, 4. Steven Sykes, 3 John Smit (c), 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Craig Burden, 17 Jannie du Plessis, 18 Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Keegan Daniel , 21 Rory Kockott, 22 Waylon Murray.
BULLS vs HIGHLANDERS, PRETORIA, SATURDAY 17:05
VREDE’S CALL: Who’d be the Highlanders? They face the most complete side in the tournament at a ground where they haven’t lost in 13 matches, and do so without three key players (Jimmy Cowan, Michael Hobbs and Adam Thomson). It’s futile entering into in-depth analyses of this match. The Landers will be competitive at the set phases but will still take a hammering. Bulls by 30
JC’S CALL: The Landers are over it. The Stormers, firing at 70%, took maximum points off them last week and it’d be an absolute surprise if the rampant Bulls failed to do the same. The slippery slide back to the bottom has begun for Glenn Moore’s men, and playing their last tour fixture at altitude could be what KOs their ambitions of improvement. The Bulls’ lineout will dominate, their loose forwards will thrive, and their halfbacks won’t deviate from a blueprint that’s secured them two Super Rugby titles. Bulls by 20
Bulls – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Gerhard vd Heever, 13 Stephan Dippenaar, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Dewald Potgieter, 6 Derick Kuün, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Gary Botha, 1 Gurthrö Steenkamp.
Subs: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Rossouw de Klerk, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Deon Stegmann, 20 Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 21 Jaco van der Westhuyzen, 22 Pedrie Wannenburg.
Highlanders – 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Kenny Lynn, 12 Jason Shoemark, 11 Fetu’u Vainikolo, 10 Matt Berquist, 9 Sean Romans, 8 Steven Stephano, 7 Alando Soakai, 6 Tim Boys, 5 Tom Donnelly, 4 Josh Bekhuis, 3 Chris King, 2 Jason MacDonald, 1 Jamie Mackintosh.
Subs: 16 Jason Rutledge, 17 Bronson Murray, 18 Hayden Triggs, 19 John Hardie, 20 Scott Cowan, 21 Robbie Robinson, 22 James Paterson.
STORMERS vs HURRICANES, CAPE TOWN, SATURDAY 19:10
VREDE’S CALL: The Canes don’t mind playing at Newlands mostly because they enjoy a level of support from certain sectors of the Cape coloured community. Expect those folks to be in full voice, shouting abuse at the home team while waxing lyrical about the skill of Ma’a Nonu and Conrad Smith. All this while leaning sideways in their seats because of the weight of the chips on their shoulders. For this reason I hope the Stormers beat the Wellington boys. Juvenile perhaps, but seeing them trudge home in despair will give me a deep sense of satisfaction. To make my Saturday a pleasant one, the Stormers will have to resist the urge to get loose in their approach, both with ball in hand and in their tactical kicking as the Canes are masters of exploiting such opportunities. They must build their game plan around patient phase play, tackle point domination on attack, and defence which would them allow them to stem the Canes’ attacking flow. They also have to be more clinical with the chances they create. I trust they’ll achieve this and bank the points, sending those canary yellow-clad Capetonians home hurting. Stormers by 7
JC’S CALL: It was a big call to persist with Sireli Naqelevuki after one decent performance. Gio Aplon is not just a fantastic runner, but his powerful left boot would have been useful in a contest where territory is so important. Piri Weepu is right in saying the physical aspect is paramount, and you don’t want to be absorbing to much punishment on your own side of halfway. This is a big clash for the hosts, who if successful, should head Down Under with five wins from six (their next opponents, the Cheetahs, will battle without Heinrich Brussow). They need to win this match at all costs, and that means the pressure is firmly on goal-kicker Joe Pietersen, who is likely to have a fair number of opportunities. The Stormers have been clinical at the breakdown, their lineout should be a premier platform while the scrum should achieve parity against a Canes pack that’s lacked bite in the initial rounds. You can’t underestimate the Canes, and the Stormers will need to realise that all their dominance will count for nought if they lose concentration in the final quarter. It will be close, but the Stormers will maintain momentum with another win. Stormers by 7
Stormers –15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Sireli Naqelevuki, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Anton van Zyl, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Wicus Blaauw.
Subs: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 JC Kritzinger, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Pieter Louw, 20 Ricky Januarie, 21 Lionel Cronje, 22 Gio Aplon.
Hurricanes – 15 Cory Jane, 14 Tamati Ellison, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 David Smith, 10 Willie Ripia, 9 Piri Weepu, 8 Rodney So’oialo, 7 Scott Waldrom, 6 Victor Vito, 5 Michael Paterson, 4 Bryn Evans, 3 Neemia Tialata, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Jacob Ellison.
Subs: 16 Dane Coles, 17 John Schwalger, 18 Jeremy Thrush, 19 Karl Lowe, 20 Tyson Keats, 21 Aaron Cruden, 22 Alapati Leiua.
REDS vs WESTERN FORCE, BRISBANE, SUNDAY 08:30
VREDE’S CALL: A week off wouldn’t have helped the Force’s progress and against the confident Reds, their campaign is set to plunge to new lows. Reds coach Ewen McKenzie has managed to identify, harness and play to the strengths of the players at his disposal while not compromising he fundamental building blocks of the game – forward dominance. They’ll be superior at the set phases, the breakdown and on attack. Defensive lapses have cost them, but if they can eliminate or minimise those, the Force won’t trouble them. Reds by 10
JC’S CALL: The Reds have scored some outstanding tries in this year’s competition and look set to add to their 2010 success with another scalp. The Force have been disappointing across the board, and you can’t really see them upsetting the Reds in Brisbane. Quade Cooper is on fire at the moment, be it on attack or through is quirky attempts at goal. He’ll be the dangerman, as behind a winning pack, he has the ability to embarrass a disorganised defence. Reds by 10
Reds – 15 Peter Hynes, 14 Luke Morahan, 13 Digby Ioane, 12 Anthony Faingaa, 11 Brando Va’aulu, 10 Quade Cooper, 9 Will Genia (c), 8 Leroy Houston, 7 Daniel Braid, 6 Scott Higginbotham, 5 Van Humphries, 4 Rob Simmons, 3 Laurie Weeks, 2 Saia Faingaa, 1 Ben Daley.
Subs: 16 Sean Hardman, 17 Greg Holmes, 18 Adam Byrnes, 19 Jake Schatz, 20 Ben Lucas, 21 Morgan Turinui, 22 Will Chambers.
Western Force - 15 Dane Haylett-Petty, 14 Scott Staniforth, 13 Ryan Cross, 12 James O’Connor, 11 Nick Cummins, 10 David Hill, 9 Brett Sheehan, 8 Richard Stanford, 7 Matt Hodgson, 6 Ben McCalman, 5 Nathan Sharpe (captain), 4 Sam Wykes, 3 Tim Fairbrother, 2 Ryan Tyrrell, 1 Nic Henderson.
Subs: 16 Pek Cowan, 17 Matt Dunning, 18 Tom Hockings, 19 Jono Jenkins, 20 Chris O’Young, 21 Sam Harris, 22 Mitch Inman.
343 Comments
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11 Mar 2010, 23:06 pm
@charo: Watch out, you might have upset him. He is easily offended. I think it’s a condition.
11 Mar 2010, 23:06 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
Ok,let’s start with Tupac.
11 Mar 2010, 23:08 pm
@Pearl Rose:
“Where is our new crop of backline players?”
At the Bulls
11 Mar 2010, 23:10 pm
@skopskiet
I originally addressed myself to comments in a rugby post made by one Ryan Vrede. There is nothing demeaning or hateful about those questions of mine about his being provocative. However, if disrespecting racists(and you know who they are) and apologists, wish to impose their vile opinions in a ‘verkrampte’ manner then I will take whatever action I need to and no-one, least of all you, will tell me to “cool it” after all your episodes when you clearly did not “cool it” one bit and I did not interfere.
Angst begets angst and to hell with the consequences.
11 Mar 2010, 23:13 pm
Fourie is the one outa sorts in the Stormers back line, why blame Grant or De Jongh for Fourie’s lack of form?
I would actually consider switching Fourie and De Jongh and Habana, play Fourie at 12 and Habana or De Jongh at 11 or 13.
Stormers back line
Duvenhage
Grant
Habana
Fourie
De Jongh
Nakalavuki
Pietersen
11 Mar 2010, 23:15 pm
@elliott2: Stop being such an “askies ek leef please don’t offend me” wimp, buddy. You make your stupid *** comments about referring to coloureds who support NZ as “certain sectors” (fck alone knows why – are we racially stereotyping them? because I was under the impression they quite deliberately chose their allegiance) on a public forum like this and you should expect to attract some comments.
11 Mar 2010, 23:15 pm
1) Lawrence Sepaka
Jonathan Mokuena
2) Hanyani Shimange
3) Brian Mujati
4) Hilton Lobberts
5) Judge Mabeta
6) Kabamba Floors
7) Davon Raubenheimer
9) Heinie Adams
10)Burton Francis
11)Jongi Nokwe
12)Morgan Newman
13)Adi Jacobs
14)JP Pietersen
15)EARL ROSE
Ras Dumisani on vocals.
11 Mar 2010, 23:15 pm
@WOLFMAN21: isnt ashley cooper’s preferred position 13, but had taken the shift to 15 to accomodate mortlock? ash-cooper is a great footballer, but has been found wanting sometimes with reading positional play from the back and how best to respond in the territory battle.
in the backs Deans has:
genia,valentine, burgess
cooper, gits
ioane,mitchell,shepherd, turner,
barnes, mortlock, horne, carter, tyrone smith
ashley-cooper, o’connor
i would start with:
genia
cooper
ioane
gits
mortlock
turner
ashely cooper
11 Mar 2010, 23:17 pm
@skopskiet: not bad outside the box thinking…but does do you thinki fourie would be able to have adequate distribution?
also, schalk played well didn’t he?
good work rate?
11 Mar 2010, 23:21 pm
@katman:
apparently our mate elliot attended varsity in durbs for a short time – not sure in which capacity.
unfortunately during that period he never cracked an invite to a proms night or any other social occasion and has, ever since, walked about with this slight list.
11 Mar 2010, 23:22 pm
@Agile ***-Tyrant: who, stephan “i’m too cool to defend” dippenaar? when u count berrick barnes, cooper, ioane, horne, o’connor, ashley cooper, drew mitchell, lachlan turner, will genia, *burgess*, valentine, matt to’omua, lealiifano, that is 13 international quality backs…
Give me a saffa list equivalent to that in caps & experience.
11 Mar 2010, 23:22 pm
@Agile ***-Tyrant: that team would take a hundred by the lions!
11 Mar 2010, 23:23 pm
there is not one solid piece of structure in there
11 Mar 2010, 23:27 pm
@skopskiet: Eish ou jy kerm nog altyd dieselfde.
So by the way daar is nog twee nuwe sites waarop jy jou tirade kan uithaal. Een vi n kraal vol leeus en een vol papsak drinkers
11 Mar 2010, 23:28 pm
@Pearl Rose:
Daai mannetjie is hel hard. Don’t let his laventelhaan mannerism from WP fool you. He looks like a peregrine falcon, but no break through him so far, the only stupid thing he’s done on defense so far was not diving up Elsom to stop his try. I don’t blame him.
11 Mar 2010, 23:28 pm
@Agile ***-Tyrant: up = under
11 Mar 2010, 23:29 pm
@Seven:
Why are you being racist?
11 Mar 2010, 23:33 pm
elliot you know war paths are there to be trodden or stampeded down. Now most agile tyrants (to borrow a simile phrase) lets say someone like Alexander the Great, would usually weigh up consequences as to which cause or which empire warrants vanquishing. Sometimes we just rush headlong into battle for the sake of the frenzy or the rush of blood through the veins.
Some inconsistencies in human dignity by others is par for the course round about here, so whether Vrede is credible in his acknowledgement of societal designations is to my mind perhaps splitting hairs beyond any amenable recognition.
I say we take our heritage and our cultures far too seriously at the best of times. Far better to forget any of us came from different backgrounds and differing ethnic divisions and realise actually that there is absolutely bugger all difference between one monk and another when we strip the bars away from the cages at the human zoo.
11 Mar 2010, 23:33 pm
@Agile ***-Tyrant: are you disagreeing me?
11 Mar 2010, 23:36 pm
@Seven:
Well,Mujati is a pretty solid piece of structure.
11 Mar 2010, 23:38 pm
@Seven:
Just kidding, take a look at the team. I posted that team to show PDP’s best in their positions, or considered for Boks, or hyped, or simple the only in that position. Earl Rose as captain by the way.
I did not include Tendai and Habana out of respect.
11 Mar 2010, 23:42 pm
@katman:
Geez, you just cannot help being absolutely stupid can you now?
The words below being quoted(is that simple enough?)are Ryan Vrede’s words;
“The Canes don’t mind playing at Newlands mostly because they enjoy a level of support from certain sectors of the Cape coloured community”
And all I have done is mock him for that provocative choice, which is inflammatory to many people in the W. Cape, because it breeds sectarianism and there is enough division in the R.S.A.
Remember the people of the W.Cape did not give themselves that label, not then and not even now. If you wish to take on that label so designated by people from Europe it is your god-given right.
For Ryan to make his point, all he had to say was “certain sectors of the Cape (Town) community”
And what the hell is the big noise about who people support and want to support. It is their choice and only their choice. Anybody anywhere in the world can choose to to support who they want to or not.
Do you realise there are people all over the world who support ManU or Chelsea etc. What warped understanding of democracy do you all have if some people with a political and historical reference want to support the ‘Canes or any N.Z. team for that matter? It is their right to so do.
And please don’t give me that worthless, emotional garbage of nationalism or worse still patriotism.
They are both pathological and the cause of untold suffering in this sad world.
Let freedom reign in all its glory and do not curb it because of your limtations.
11 Mar 2010, 23:47 pm
@elliott2:
Yawn. Political correctness is a bore. You watch too much SAB(ankrupt)C and Blitz.
Are you suscribing to the illusion that ‘freedom reigns’ over here? It hasn’t for millenia and I doubt it ever will.
11 Mar 2010, 23:49 pm
Realism seems so pessimistic.
:):)
Anyhoo ze bed roep my naam
11 Mar 2010, 23:49 pm
@Agile ***-Tyrant: lol, your like a white julius at the afriforums comedy show
11 Mar 2010, 23:50 pm
Never mind the troubles, let’s do the diski…
11 Mar 2010, 23:52 pm
@skopskiet:
Too philosophical Skoppie, as all I was doing was poking fun at Ryan’s expense with his provocative choice of words and mocking him with questions which should also belittle him for belittling groups of people just because of who they support. What has happened to the ‘democracy of S.A.in this present time?
And then all those with little self-respect jumped onto the bandwagon to defend him or act in some apologetic way for him.
And I responded to those that were demeaning, also to themselves.
I know you accept that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
In the great scheme of things rugby does not even cause a suggestion of a ripple in the cosmos.
11 Mar 2010, 23:53 pm
@Seven: ? :/
11 Mar 2010, 23:54 pm
@Die_Valk:
Since you are yawning go to sleep then while I continue to have fun after a positive day of labour.
11 Mar 2010, 23:54 pm
@elliott2:
would a term like “the natal indian community” annoy you?
after all, there are south africans of indian descent all over the country….mainly in durbs but plenty in joburg.
or are you once again being over sensitive?
11 Mar 2010, 23:56 pm
@Seven: 274
I don’t understands, plesch explains.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
12 Mar 2010, 00:00 am
@elliott2:
Julle mense is darem vreeslik sensitief. Vaar(nie so)wel
12 Mar 2010, 00:02 am
@Agile ***-Tyrant: um didnt mean any offence, but allowing that to team to play together would be a joke
12 Mar 2010, 00:04 am
@charo:
I thought you were one of the sensible ones, so your rant on the Maties – Ikeys thread surprised me.
I was referring to all rugby players when I said the footballers could learn from them.
On the other hand I don’t blame you sharkies for being sensitive in these times.
12 Mar 2010, 00:07 am
@Seven:
Ja but look at my 270 post, that’s the point.
These PDPs fall into 5 or so categories:
best in their positions, or considered for Boks, or hyped, or simple the only in that position,or coaches favourite.
These guys are either former/current Boks, or “emerging” or they’ll just down right make the Boks as coach favourites. So, you think they’ll take a ton against the Lions hey?
12 Mar 2010, 00:10 am
@Seven: mujati is prtty flexible, so i guess its kind of a solid structure, i mean his arse could often meet his head and he never broke…
12 Mar 2010, 00:11 am
@Die_Valk:
yes, am sorry about the rant, but your post out of the blue was read in the wrong context by everybody on the blog.
perhaps you should have introduced your post a bit more diplomatically
12 Mar 2010, 00:11 am
maybe an exaggeration, but they would definately be the whipping boys of super rugby, let alone international.
i think italy might beat them
12 Mar 2010, 00:12 am
@Seven:
Hey, I know this guy personally, he’s sensitive, ok.
12 Mar 2010, 00:18 am
Your ignorance reigns uncurbed.
There are very little, or no Indians, in South Africa but there are very many people of Indian heritage in S.Africa who because of their birth in the R.S.A. are thus South African nationals and not Indians.
To be Indians means you need to be born in that country, called India.
Those born of Indian heritage you can claim subscribe to Indian culture but that does not mean they are nationals of India.
Can Amla’s brother, who has not played for S.A national cricket team, if he were really good enough, ever play for India? Only maybe if he serves some sort of qualification in that country.
12 Mar 2010, 00:19 am
@charo:
Maybe it was cause I posted in Afrikaans?
Really gotta go. Cheers
12 Mar 2010, 00:20 am
@elliott2:
It’s called having a culture.
12 Mar 2010, 00:22 am
@Die_Valk:
Dis jou vals mening. gaan slaap maar ou maat.
Is jy Ikey of Matie?
12 Mar 2010, 00:25 am
A Bengali/Bangladeshi to many S.Africans, to all intents and pusposes, looks very Indian but if you call him an Indian you will immediately be correscted and told that he is not Indian but Bengali.
12 Mar 2010, 00:26 am
@elliott2:
hahahaha..for a so-called intellectual you are particularly thick!!!!!
go read my post properly again you numbnut.
to quote…… “south africans of indian descent”
methinks you are a fake….it is not possible for someone of the slightest intelligence to make such a huge faux pas.
12 Mar 2010, 00:32 am
can’t be bothered to exchange views with a ****** like this elliott2 chappie.
poor guy lives a secluded life and gets his kicks out of projecting an image of some research analyst….but in reality he/she is nothing but a prejudiced bigot who has difficulty comprehending the written word.
good night.
12 Mar 2010, 00:46 am
@charo:
Fool yourself if you will but you do not choose to tell me what question/s, you put to me, I want to answer and, more importantly, how to answer them.
I deliberately choose to explain what being a particular national(here Indian) translated into.
The point is S. Africans born of Indian heritage are not Indians, they are S. Africans and if you are referring to that group of S.Africans you should correctly say S.Africans of Indian heritage.
Since I am not a sectarian, as you clearly are, the people of South Africa are simply South Africans. People from Trinidad are simply Trinidadians. Get the point? DONE.
Understand now?
Don’t confuse nationality with culture .They are two totally different entities which affect each other.
Look at post # 293.
12 Mar 2010, 00:48 am
#295
Continue to fool yourself. The truth does play dirty tricks with your restricted mind.
I have a very busy day later today. I’m off.
12 Mar 2010, 01:50 am
I predict two upsets in the round:
Chiefs over Saders at home
Hurricanes over Stormers – i hate da canes but they will fire.
I am more certain of the canes getting up than i am of the chiefs but it the trend in this comp that after a good side suffers a loss they hit back hard. Go the Chiefs
12 Mar 2010, 01:59 am
@NZMaori:
I am also worried that the Canes will fire.
The Stormers (my team) are also known to blow hot and cold – they hardly ever have 2 good games in a row.
Why do u hate da Canes?
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