Bulls to borrow Stormers’ blueprint
18 Mar 2010
The Bulls analysed the Stormers’ victory over the Hurricanes closely and believe they modelled the path to success.
The Stormers built their 37-13 defeat of the Canes on uncompromising defence and incisive attack. It is the former facet of play that Bulls backline coach Pieter Rossouw was most impressed with.
Rossouw’s side has struggled in this area, conceding an average of 3.75 tries per match. Their attacking prowess has served to veil their defensive shortcomings, but Rossouw believes they will improve on Friday, and says the Stormers’ defensive display has given them insight into how to beat the Canes.
‘They’re [the Canes] a wonderfully gifted attacking side, and if they get momentum, particularly under the new law interpretations at the breakdown, they can be unplayable,’ Rossouw told keo.co.za.
‘What the Stormers did well from a defensive perspective is commit very few men to the rucks. This allowed them to fan out in defence and put double hits on the Canes’ primary ball carriers. The effectiveness was in the accuracy of the execution and when two defenders are hitting you powerfully you are going to struggle to recycle the ball quickly.
‘That stifled the Canes’ momentum and they often played well behind the advantage line. We’re not in the business of copying other teams, but at the same time it would be foolish to ignore the effectiveness of the tactic.’
Rossouw also praised the Stormers’ kicking game, explaining that it forced the Canes to attack from deep within their territory and when they did, the hosts’ defensive line was near impenetrable.
‘People perceive the Stormers to be this all-out running side, but statistically they’ve kicked more than anyone in the tournament,’ he said.
‘Their kicking game allowed them to play the game in the right areas of the field and they backed their defence to pressure the Canes into mistakes. It was a pretty clinical performance, and one that we’ll be looking to replicate and perhaps better.’
Bulls head coach Frans Ludeke told keo.co.za that there were ‘no excuses’ for their indifferent defensive performances, stressing that they would have to improve significantly in the weeks ahead.
‘We haven’t been good enough defensively. It’s one of the pillars of our game we’ve built our success on and we have to address the issues there, particularly our defence from broken field situations and lapses in concentration.
‘We respect the Canes’ ability with ball in hand and we know that they will be the measure of whether we have improved or not. We’ve put a lot of emphasis on defence this week and are hoping that the fruits show on Friday.’
By Ryan Vrede
526 Comments
18 Mar 2010, 09:20 am
Dragon na-apers!!!!!!!!!
18 Mar 2010, 09:22 am
Hope part of the plan is to teach Hougaard how to tackle
18 Mar 2010, 09:24 am
Shadow (new prince of wings) to score 4 tries
18 Mar 2010, 09:25 am
That’s interesting. Stormers took the game-plan from the Cheetahs and improved on that. If the Bulls improve on that, the poor Hurricanes will have a terrible year if everyone continues to make use of those strategies! LOL!
18 Mar 2010, 09:33 am
Stormers are a boring 1 dimensional side that kick to much and dont score enough tries
18 Mar 2010, 09:36 am
hehehehe…
What are the Bulls fans gonna say about the Bulls copying the Stormers game-plan…
18 Mar 2010, 09:37 am
@Tisme: yaaawn.
18 Mar 2010, 09:38 am
@GI POT:
And that Van Der Heever laaitie!!! He can’t defend either
18 Mar 2010, 09:38 am
Do you want to send the Canes your playbook as well?
18 Mar 2010, 09:41 am
Something interesting I worked on yesterday. Here are the 5 SA franchises and their rankings in terms of pace among the outside backs:
Stormers: 4 and 6 (if Aplon is playing, otherwise just 4. Not sure where Joe Pietersen would rank).
Cheetahs: 2 and 5 (if Demas is on the field, otherwise just 2.)
Lions: 3 and maybe 8 or thereabouts (Killian is damn quick, and may just crack the top 8).
Bulls: 1 and maybe 7 or 8 (Dippenaar may be in the top 8, since there was talk that he was quicker than Habana while they were both at the Bulls. But I cannot confirm that yet).
Sharks: None. (Sad, really).
18 Mar 2010, 09:45 am
Wow a first = the Bulls learning something from the Stormers
18 Mar 2010, 09:47 am
@Martin: Gets boring doesnt it?
Now you know what the bulls fans had to endure week in and week out dispite winning their games!
18 Mar 2010, 09:54 am
soooooooo, th blue bulls coaches are actually admitting they have defence frailities…hehehe rossouw must drill those three boys cos they’re **** on defence [ironically i've been saying this from the get]
18 Mar 2010, 09:58 am
Tacitus, Nokwe is still faster than that young lat of yours. As for Mapoe, I doubt the Bulls will make him such a big offer if he was slow!
18 Mar 2010, 10:02 am
Transie
How is that ironic?
18 Mar 2010, 10:02 am
@Bouts:
Thats a clearly articulated opinion. Pity it is not based on FACTS.
I base my statement on FACTS. I know what Mapoe’s pace is. And I still think he is a great player. He is probably faster than the Ndungane twins, JP Pietersen ans Sireli Naquelivuki, and he is a very balanced runner with a great step.
18 Mar 2010, 10:04 am
@tac…..agree 100%
18 Mar 2010, 10:05 am
Mapoe = just a nother pawn … nice quota for the Bulls
18 Mar 2010, 10:05 am
Stormers k@k……PROOOOOOBBBLLLEEEMMMMSSSSSS!!!
18 Mar 2010, 10:05 am
@gunther: What is really ironic is that Transie thinks he is rather clever!
18 Mar 2010, 10:10 am
@gunther: ironically = strangely enough…happy now?
18 Mar 2010, 10:10 am
Tacticus:
Raw pace is just another statistic. Nokwe and Chavangha will never start consistently for a top Super 14 franchise, cause pace is all they got…
I’d play the Ndungane’s ahead of Nokwe/Chavangha , those okes can at least tackle and catch the ball ….
18 Mar 2010, 10:11 am
‘Borrowing a blueprint’…The sincerest form of flattery
18 Mar 2010, 10:11 am
@Tisme: where you get off making such k@k assumptions only you know…hahaha
18 Mar 2010, 10:12 am
its not just about pace guys … the bests wings ever : Carel Dup, Ray Mordt weren’t that quick ….
18 Mar 2010, 10:12 am
@ufo: That should be fine – just as long as they don’t copy the hairstyles as well!
18 Mar 2010, 10:13 am
Nama
How is he a pawn ?
The bulls wanted him last year.. he will dominate at the bulls..
Quota ? Not a good look from you my friend …it makes you look otherwise.. You aren’t otherwise ate you?
18 Mar 2010, 10:13 am
The beauty of the Stormers side is that, at some point, they will start believing their own hype
18 Mar 2010, 10:14 am
@Mick Dundee: Yah…they got their own loslyf hairstyles to maintain
18 Mar 2010, 10:16 am
@Tacitus: Tacitus how did you work this out? Based on what tests? Are you saying that Van den Heever is the fastest guy around? I am not so sure about that..what about Tonderai (hamstring) Chavanga? And I will be willing to put money on it that Joe Pietersen, Gio Aplon as well as Habana (and maybe even Deon Fourie
) will be faster than Van den Heever…it also depends over what distance you are talking about. First 40m, Pietersen, Aplon, Habana, Tonderai, Nokwe, Fourie, Van den Heever…or something like that. What do you think?
18 Mar 2010, 10:17 am
@wp_boytjie:
from what i’ve seen chavanga can catch and kick and he definatly can tackle
18 Mar 2010, 10:18 am
Transie
You misunderstand..
What is ironic or “strangely enough” about you slating the bulls..
18 Mar 2010, 10:18 am
@Transformation: irony is an opposite, not a strange occurance!
That is where I get off making these STATEMENTS not assumptions
18 Mar 2010, 10:20 am
Tacitus is cringing now…poor lonely lady.
18 Mar 2010, 10:21 am
Sorry I base my comment on the fact that a man would never be so bitchy.
18 Mar 2010, 10:26 am
@Tacitus: LOL! Tac, nothing in your post even give the slightest clue that you’re basing your list on facts! Give us the facts then!
18 Mar 2010, 10:26 am
Hallo Bill
– you being a ***** so early on this beautiful morning hahaha
18 Mar 2010, 10:26 am
@Bill Reyts: …a ***** in heat imo…
18 Mar 2010, 10:28 am
@Karen: Good Morning Karen. Actually I’m being nice today!
How are you?
18 Mar 2010, 10:29 am
@Storm outta hell: …on heat yes…lol
18 Mar 2010, 10:30 am
@Bill Reyts: Hey I know that is your nice side
My evil twin also runs around sometimes but the nice me is here today 
I am always good and you? Am actually looking forward to the rugby on Saturday
18 Mar 2010, 10:30 am
@bokbal:
(Rubs hands together in satisfaction):
Most SA rugby players who have been asked to give their opinion have generally believed Nokwe to be the fastest player in SA (before this season).
Other players with very good 40m sprint times are Henno Mentz, Zahier Ryland, Gio Aplon, Tonderai Chavanga, Michael Killian and Danwell Demas. And of course Brian Habana, although his pace seems to be somewhat overrated.
Anyway, Nokwe’s best 40m sprint time is known, it is VERY QUICK, and this is used as a base for comparison. It is therefore with confidence based on fact that I make my statement.
18 Mar 2010, 10:31 am
@Mick Dundee:
c’mon dude… that’s so last decade… you’re way too late… they’ve already copied that and taken it to another level…
the Bulls are the ones with all the fancy hairstyles these days… Victor, Meisie, JLP, Kuun, Ndungane and especially Dewalt Pottie… Heck they even showed a close-up of Dewalt this weekend with little rubber bands and stuff in his hair… looked like a real girl…
18 Mar 2010, 10:31 am
Sharks Team vs Highlanders
15. Patrick Lambie
14. Stefan Terblanche
13. Adrian Jacobs
12. Riaan Swanepoel
11. JP Pietersen
10. Andy Goode
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. Ryan Kankowski
7. Jean Deysel
6. Keegan Daniel
5. Johann Muller ( C )
4. Steven Sykes
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. Bismarck du Plessis
1. Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements
16. Craig Burden
17. John Smit
18. Alistair Hargreaves
19. Willem Alberts
20. Jacques Botes
21. Rory Kockott
22. Waylon Murray
18 Mar 2010, 10:32 am
@Karen: You going to the game? I’m always nice. Love ripping the old soul off though.
18 Mar 2010, 10:32 am
@Tacitus: what a normative statement you have made
factless and completely biast um well the sharks dont have nice accents so they must have the slowest wings and backs -facts boy ,facts…
18 Mar 2010, 10:33 am
@ufo: Moftus is doing well lately! Have you ever checked the chics in the crowds?
18 Mar 2010, 10:34 am
@baw:
JP Pietersen has stated quite clearly in an interview that Nokwe is much faster than him. Who is the Sharks other wing?
If it is Ndungane, well, then we know he aint one of the quickest around.
So what part of my statement do you actually dispute?
18 Mar 2010, 10:34 am
@Bill Reyts: Of course I will be there. I know you like stirring the pot a little
18 Mar 2010, 10:35 am
@Oubaas2009: lambie should still be playing vodacom cup ,i think hes still carrying bags-like that burden is included in there
18 Mar 2010, 10:35 am
@Tacitus: Just breath and wipe the brown mess from your mouth mate.
18 Mar 2010, 10:35 am
@gunther:so pedantic… Strangely enough i have expressed the same views on the blue bulls’ defence [or lack thereof] with some here choosing not to acknowledge, it is rather amusing now, to hear the coaches focusing on it, instead of the usual refrain from some bloggers [if we're putting 50 on them who cares if they score]…
How is expressing an opinion now regarded as “slating”
@gunther: #27 watch out for the nic thief…there’s a difference between nama1 & namaI….
18 Mar 2010, 10:36 am
Remember Cheetahs also beat the Canes
18 Mar 2010, 10:37 am
@Tacitus: the fact that you have no actual facts haha ,and i agree they are hard to find but you cant just make assumptions like that ,especially when the sharks fans are in the state they are ,things may get emotional here
18 Mar 2010, 10:37 am
@Karen: Well I always tell it as it is. Don’t need a fan club
18 Mar 2010, 10:39 am
Pace alone does not make a good wing. You need vision, strength and quick feet. Breyton Paulse was a brilliant wing, much like Shane Williams is today. He could beat people with his pace off the mark and his quick feet. However, he was not the quickest over the length of the field. Then you get wings that are very powerful runners, like the Mordts of this world. Again, not the most pace, but difficult to bring down and able to break tackles. Naqelevuki and co fall in this category. Another type of wing is the balanced runners who beat defenders with a swerve of the hips and leave them standing – wondering which way they went. Carel dup was like this and Nokwe is in that mould. Habana has a little of everything, but his biggest asset is his vision and ability to read the game. JP is unpredictable – some may say inconsistent – and strong. Then you get the Ndunganes – they are hard workers and have a heart like a lion. I don’t think that if pace is VD Heever’s only asset, he will make it in the big time. The jury is still out as far as I am concerned
18 Mar 2010, 10:40 am
@Bill Reyts: Hahahaha well you just rent a fan club if you need one. So what do you think of the Stormers team for Saturday??
18 Mar 2010, 10:41 am
@Tisme:
9 tries from their last 2 games.and u say they dont score tries?check ur calculator BUD, it isnt working too well.
18 Mar 2010, 10:42 am
@Karen: Well I’m glad they bringing in the youngster, but was a bit surprised to see that Nagywhateverthefrikkennameis was dropped after such a good performance. Still a good team though.
18 Mar 2010, 10:42 am
@baw:
From JP Pietersen’s website:
Q.Who is the sum of speedsters in the team over 40m and how fast can you do it?
FROM JACOBUS SMITH, SA
Hi Jacobus, my time over 40m…actually I don’t know. We don’t do the 40m test anymore. The fastest speedster is probably Jongi Nokwe.
And again from JP’s website:
Q. Hey Polla, what time do you clock over 40m and 100m respectively?
FROM JACQUES MANUS, SA
Hi Jacques, over 40m I think about 5 seconds. The 100m I ran it in school last time and was like 11 seconds. I am more of a 200m and 400m runner. Keep well.
In any case, when SARU did their fitness tests under Jake White,
Ashwin Willemse did the 40m in 4.96 seconds
Brent Russel did it in about 4.8 seconds
The Aplon’s, Rylands etc. of this world are around 4.7 seconds.
Nokwe, even quicker.
18 Mar 2010, 10:43 am
Getting facts like that is like believing wikipedia.
18 Mar 2010, 10:43 am
@Tacitus:
To clarify, the last part about the fitness tests under Jake White is not from JP’s website, but is from my own research. I don’t want to put words in JP’s mouth.
18 Mar 2010, 10:44 am
someone posted the actual recorded speeds of the speedsters at the beginning of the season… for the S14 sides…
a quick search of the archives should find it…
for those who want to…
18 Mar 2010, 10:44 am
But Tac, he did say ‘about’. That can be anything between 4 and 6 seconds!
18 Mar 2010, 10:46 am
THIEVES!
18 Mar 2010, 10:46 am
I don’t think you’ll find those stats. Unions keep those type of things under wraps.
18 Mar 2010, 10:46 am
@GI POT:
campese – never the fastest, but certainly an entertainer. joe roff also a great wing and not the fastest. james small too.
18 Mar 2010, 10:46 am
@Bill Reyts: Yes I was suprised that they have shifted Sireli to the bench but hopefully AC and the rest know something we don’t.
Well let me go work. Chat later on the site
Cheers guys and play nicely
18 Mar 2010, 10:47 am
@ufo:
Those were wrong, because they had some proven false times among them. For example, it lists Chavanga as running the 100 in 10.27s despite him acknowledging in an interview that he has never come close to such a time. That same source also lists him as a former Zim 400m record holder, which is false as well.
The best sources are either official tests by the teams, or better yet, statements by the players themselves who will know what their personal best times are.
18 Mar 2010, 10:47 am
I know Nokwe’s 100 meter was just above the 10second mark. Yeah, slower than the top athletes, but still fast.
18 Mar 2010, 10:47 am
@Karen: Don’t go!
18 Mar 2010, 10:47 am
@pakalolo: why do you only take the last 2 games….. did they not play 5 games?
18 Mar 2010, 10:48 am
@Bouts:
Ja and he also acknowledges that Nokwe is quicker than him, and that his time for the 100 is 11 seconds.
Since we know what Nokwe’s time is, we can know that Pietersen has to be slower than that.
18 Mar 2010, 10:48 am
Habana is slow over 100m, but over 40m he should have one of the top times. Do you have his time?
18 Mar 2010, 10:48 am
@Karen: See you later!
18 Mar 2010, 10:49 am
@SpringbokSarah: Hallooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Sarah – sorry need to go to a meeting but will be back later
Play nicely with the guys here and be careful not to hurt some of their feelings lmao
18 Mar 2010, 10:49 am
@Bouts: I can ask?
18 Mar 2010, 10:49 am
@Bouts:
There are many contradictary times floating around for Habana. But he keeps it purposefully vague, I believe, because he doesn’t really have top end pace. His repuation helps him on the field, though.
18 Mar 2010, 10:50 am
@Karen: Can only try! lightly hyper!
mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
18 Mar 2010, 10:50 am
@SpringbokSarah: Good morning young lady!
18 Mar 2010, 10:51 am
@Bouts:
Ah wait, here we have it from an interview with the UK independent newspaper, done in 2007. Out of Brian’s own mouth:
Habana says he has not been timed over 100m since his teens, “when I ran 11 seconds flat. These days we only get tested over 40m and if I remember correctly my time was 4.81sec.”
18 Mar 2010, 10:52 am
@Bill Reyts: good bye
18 Mar 2010, 10:54 am
Sharks:
15. Patrick Lambie, 14. Stefan Terblanche, 13. Adrian Jacobs, 12. Riaan Swanepoel, 11. JP Pietersen, 10. Andy Goode, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Jean Deysel, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Johann Muller (captain), 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira
18 Mar 2010, 10:54 am
@wpw:
According to RuggaStats he did not miss a single tackle on Sat.
18 Mar 2010, 10:58 am
@Loftus_Nabyveldt: Eish…Lambie’s still a bit of a girl…
18 Mar 2010, 10:59 am
@Bill Reyts: good point ,i dont know if thats realy believable ,and then again jp said nokwe was faster than him ,so does that mean jp is slower than everyone you mentioned ,but nevermind ,i dont realy care id still rather hap jpp than nokwe any day of the week
18 Mar 2010, 10:59 am
no John Smit either
18 Mar 2010, 11:01 am
RYAN VREDE
Do you know the difference between “latter” and “former”. Because it doesn’t look like it…
18 Mar 2010, 11:02 am
@Tacitus:
that may be Tac… I’ll take your word for it…
but what the guys are saying when asking for facts is for you to post the times…
if you’re saying the other times are wrong and you KNOW the correct times…??
post ‘em…!
18 Mar 2010, 11:04 am
@SjamBok: hehehehe well spotted!
18 Mar 2010, 11:04 am
@Aus_Rebel:
Didnt make one either…
18 Mar 2010, 11:04 am
Ok. Rugby 365 wrote that in 2008 it was 4.5s, although in an interview in the Citizen he said: 4.62s. That was just before the game he scored 4 tries against Oz.
18 Mar 2010, 11:05 am
Sorry, I was talking about Nokwe.
18 Mar 2010, 11:07 am
@Tacitus: @ 78
Now you’re going downhill fast bud…
that statement is pure wishful thinking on your part…
why not post those (in your opinion) incorrect stats… at least they are a basis for discussion and then people can point out which are accurate and which are not…
18 Mar 2010, 11:09 am
Its pretty obvious (to me at least) that Nokwe is faster than anybody in SA rugby – and NZ and OZ rugby too. The only person close is Chavangha. And then daylight between them and teh next person.
The only person I can think of that is (was? is he still playing?) as fast is Rupeni Caucanibuca – but he also had a vocious tep on him too. Awesome player.
18 Mar 2010, 11:14 am
@gunther: 27
Imposter Gunther. See the letter (I) instead of a number (1).
Wakey, wakey.
18 Mar 2010, 11:15 am
i heard somewhere that the beast does 40 m sprint in 6.25
18 Mar 2010, 11:22 am
@Bod:
Made three, and as per norm Meisiekind making the most with the best miss/made ratio and yet again the captain behind him.
I some wonder why Keo refers to them as muppets.
18 Mar 2010, 11:25 am
I think the fastest Currie Cup player ever would be Jan-Harm van Wyk. Incredibly fast, but he wasn’t built for rugby. Should rather have been an athlete.
18 Mar 2010, 11:27 am
@Aus_Rebel: Meisiekind ahead of Earl Rose…Unbelievable..!!
18 Mar 2010, 11:28 am
@Bouts:
You’re talking about Jongi Nokwe now.
Nokwe states in the Citizen interview in 2008 unequivocally that his best ever 40m sprint time is 4.62 seconds. That’s from his own mouth.
Now add that to what we know so far and we have the following:
JP Pietersen says he does the 40m in “about 5 seconds”, but that Jongi Nokwe is in his view the quickest guy in SA.
Brian Habana says he does the 40m in 4.81 seconds.
Jongi Nokwe says he does it in 4.62 seconds.
Pretty clear what the order of speed is, I would say.
18 Mar 2010, 11:29 am
Earl rose is very quick to get out of the way if a attacking player is running towards him ..maybe the fastest guy is SA
18 Mar 2010, 11:30 am
Yes, but the rest of the players ain’t as clear. Can’t find anything on them.
18 Mar 2010, 11:31 am
@Loftus_Nabyveldt: LOL! With that Naas Botha was probably the faster player ever! LOL!
18 Mar 2010, 11:31 am
This week’s team changes has really stuffed up my fantasy rugby aspirations.
18 Mar 2010, 11:31 am
Looking at the whole Mapoe-saga it seems we are also stealing their blueprint on contractual disputes.
18 Mar 2010, 11:32 am
@Bouts:
Which players are you looking for? Nokwe’s is the fastest recorded 40m time for an SA player, other than vd Heever.
18 Mar 2010, 11:33 am
Ok. I’m looking for vd Heever’s.
18 Mar 2010, 11:33 am
OK let me enter the frey here:
I played wing in my day… Ran the 100m in 11 flat and were actually a 400mm athlete. So here goes.
Like rpevious posts the following is true. Pace off the mark is important in rugby, but it depends where on the field you are an it what situation. When Chavanga turned around the weekend to catch a player and tackle him for a try saving move, I believe that to be pace. For van der heever to outsprint a number 3, 5 and I think 2 in his try over the weekend… not so much pace… the winger from the highlanders caught up with him but ran out of space to catch him.
Aplon end Joe Pietersen has pace off the mark…. but if they were to intercept on their own 22 and a winger like Chavanga, Nokwe or even habana are near them, they will be caught. I remember in last years s14 when JP Pietersen outsprinted the whole Force or reds backline…. that was sheer pace on the lenght of the field.
So place wings in line of merit on pace is more difficult than stating times over 40m or even 100m.
IMO:
1. Chavanga (Quickest guy I have seen in all departments
2. Nokwe… Similar to Chavanga
3. Habana, VD Heever, JP Pietersen.
4. Aplon, Joe, Mapoe and Killian
The twins, Naqelevuki, Demas etc have a pace that is explained as mere Mental pace…. or strength if you will….
18 Mar 2010, 11:33 am
@Bouts:
I’ve got that.
18 Mar 2010, 11:36 am
@Bouts: @ 99
surprised you didn’t mention… one…
Jaco Reinach…
18 Mar 2010, 11:40 am
It hardly matter whether a player in 0.2 or 0.3 splits faster. A player who is accelerating into the pass is always gonna get around the outside. vd Heever is quick but he’s hardly going to knock Jp-P or Habana out of the Bok lineup, those guys will just run over him. Not to mention Mapoe is far better too.
18 Mar 2010, 11:41 am
@ufo: Hmmm… you’re right!
Found this post on another forum:
“the fastest player in the world is sireli bobo!! second is tom varndell, then nokwe & waqaseduadua..when i spoke to tonderai chavhanga he said he is the 5th fastest guy in SA(2009) behind nokwe, mentz, aplon & rhyland..he reckons peter hendricks & henno mentz are the two fastest guys to ever play rugby in SA nd truly rates ozzy va’alu as one of the fastest players he’s played against!!..here are the fastest players in each country in order(some players times available)..40M sprint times 2009(best times are bracketed)
NZ-vili waqasedudua 4.60(4.49), david Falaeli(spelling)4.74, lelia masaga 4.76, david smith 4.76,(4.72) sosene anesi 4.79(4.53) rudi wulf 4.88(4.72), hosea gear 4.91(4.85), anthony tuituvake 4.93(4.70), josevata rokocoko 4.93(4.66),
Aus-brando va’alu 4.61, peter hynes 4.83, clyde rathbone 4.88, lachlan turner 4.90, digby ioane 4.90, no one else went under 5sec
SA-jonghikhaya nokwe 4.58, henno mentz 4.63, gio aplon 4.64, zahier rhyland 4.66, danwell demas 4.66, tonderai chavhanga 4.70, trompie nonthsinga 4.70, bjorn basson 4.79, michael killian 4.89, brian habana 4.96
Europe-sireli bobo 4.55, tom varndell 4.56, vili delasau 4.60, topsy ojo 4.62,ugo monye 4.67, brent russell 4.69(4.65), tommy bowe 4.69, takudzwa ngwenya 4.71, matthew tait 4.77(4.60) phillip burger 4.86(4.61), leigh halfpenny 4.86,”
18 Mar 2010, 11:43 am
EK dink Loftus kan maar `n nuwe sponsor kry.
Wat van Lilette Loftus…
Want daar is so baie meisiekinders in die Bulls span…. Period.
EK sien `n klomp windgatte in daai Bulls span, wat een of ander tyd op hulle moer gaan kry. Overconfident en so vol ‘sites’.
Primadonnas wat so op looks en hare gaan…. JULLE klomp is die nuwe showponies. Granted, ten minste perform julle. Nie soos to my Stormers ook so was en f-ol werd was nie.
Kom nou manne, dis rugby die. Wat def0k het gebeur.
18 Mar 2010, 11:45 am
What did happen to Zahier Ryland?
18 Mar 2010, 11:45 am
@ImAStronter: FFS Grow-up!
18 Mar 2010, 11:47 am
@Bouts: Funny not to see Shane Williams there?
18 Mar 2010, 11:47 am
@Bouts:
Well we know that is wrong because Nokwe himself has said that his fastest 40m time is 4.62, not 4.58.
Secondly, what is the source for that comment? I found that same site, but because any idiot could post a list like that, we have no idea what it is based on. So I discarded that.
In any case, even if that list IS accurate, then vd Heever is still the quickest guy in SA.
18 Mar 2010, 11:47 am
All this talk on pace reminds me of cool runnings…. yes but can Lightning run on ice????
Were they tested on the rugby field or on the track people?
Also were they set off from a gun or were they timed from their own take off? These are the things that will influence their times, also make for interesting reading to see who reacts quicker etc etc..
18 Mar 2010, 11:48 am
@Tisme: Sorry doos. Get over yourself and have smile. Old *******.
18 Mar 2010, 11:48 am
@ImAStronter:
Dis ‘n mond vol…selfs vir ‘n Stormer supporter…
18 Mar 2010, 11:48 am
@ImAStronter: What a strange and bizarre post.
The comment about Lilette is uncalled for and shows that you are stuck in the dark ages, and there is very little proof to support your assumption that the players are arrogant.
18 Mar 2010, 11:48 am
@Tacitus: Put us out of our misery Tac. What is Shadow’s time over 40 m?
18 Mar 2010, 11:49 am
As jy nou een is bygese…
Moeilik om jou nick uit te sort
18 Mar 2010, 11:49 am
@Tacitus: Are you saying Ghost’s time is faster than 4.58 over 40m?
18 Mar 2010, 11:50 am
Yes, but come on. Tell us!
PS: Remember that that interview with Nokwe was in 2008, and this post was 2009. Nokwe did improve on his leg strength last year. But, I agree that you can’t trust everything on the forums. Was on the Yahoo Sport forums.
18 Mar 2010, 11:50 am
@Tacitus: what is Hurdles’ time over 40?
18 Mar 2010, 11:50 am
If I may ask, based on what do you say that Vd Heever is the fasted? Maybe I missed it. What’s his 40 time? Or did he out run somebody somewhere….
18 Mar 2010, 11:51 am
Verstaan wel die “STRONT” gedeelte…
18 Mar 2010, 11:51 am
@Provvas: Obviously a speed test is done from standstill on a track. Don’t be silly.
18 Mar 2010, 11:52 am
@Taahirah:
Nah, I’m enjoying this for a little longer. Let them haul out all the stats they can, from whatever dubious, unsubstantiated sources.
To me, if Habana says his best 40m is 4.81, I believe him. His teammates will know if he is lying, because the training times are on record.
If Nokwe says his best time is 4.62, I believe him.
Some guy on an Aussie site listing supposed times for SA players wthout citing a source, well, if we believe that, then we might as well believe that Chavanga ran the 100m in 10.27s when he was 16, making him about as quick as Usain Bolt at that age…
This despite Chavanga admitting that he never came close to such a time.
18 Mar 2010, 11:53 am
@Provvas: it must also be said that a rugby player rarely takes a ball standing still, or atleast he shouldn’t. SHould be taking it at pace.
18 Mar 2010, 11:54 am
Blouste and Tac:
Thats why I trust what I see on the field:
Chavanga has never been “rounded” by another winger. Habana has been.. also the Twins and also Nokwe. Maybe they were slow to react or whatever.. but what happens on the field is what counts…. ot some 0,002 better time…
18 Mar 2010, 11:55 am
But Tac, what is your source for vd Heever’s time?
18 Mar 2010, 11:55 am
@WOLFMAN21:Well, seeing as though the Bulls supporters on this blog keep ons harping on about how kak the showponies in the Cape are etc etc etc, why is it then wrong for me to point out to what the Bulls has turned into. So its OK to call the Stormers these names in a derogatory sense, but it 100% exceptional fashion for the Bulls. Ag you know, lets leave it at that….
18 Mar 2010, 11:56 am
LOL! Provvas, this is about the speed test. Not about the on-field stuff. Remember, the players around you also influence what happens on the field.
18 Mar 2010, 11:56 am
@Blouste: Ja Blouste, het laas jaar daai nic gekies. Was so gatvol vir my span toe gewees….
18 Mar 2010, 11:58 am
vd Heever’s best times:
At school:
200m: 20.9s
100m: 10.5 on the Tukkies track in matric. (but he says he believes he is a bit quicker now than he was in matric)
110m hurdles: 13.87 (official time at a National Athletics event in Germiston)
Current:
40m: 4.57s
18 Mar 2010, 11:58 am
Yes from Standstill…. but what sets them off? A whistle? Or do the “time taker” pushes the clock when the athlete takes off? or when he blows the whistle?? All these things will have a huge influence on the 40m sprint.
The time over 100m to qualify for the olympics is 10.21….. Si i do not think many players run faster than that….
18 Mar 2010, 11:59 am
@Provvas:
Thats true, Habana actually gave that Zimbabwe/American player the outside gap and totally underestimated him.
Timing in all of the above has also got a lot to do with precieved speed…
Nevertheless, this arguement was always about who is the fastest and not necessarilly the best…
I agree, the fastest are’nt always the best but like I’ve mentioned…that was never the argument.
18 Mar 2010, 11:59 am
@Tacitus: you don t have Hurdles’ time over 40m…
18 Mar 2010, 12:00 pm
@Tacitus: impressive!
18 Mar 2010, 12:00 pm
@Transformation:
Read it again.
18 Mar 2010, 12:00 pm
I see in the NFL they also have the 40 yard dash at the Combine. Fastest clocked there is 4.24 seconds for a running back and 4.3 for a wide receiver…
Those are exceptional athletes. I still think Habana should go over there and try out for a team as `n running back. Even if het gets a rookie contract, he’d still be earning about 4 times more per year than what he gets here.
And I know some team would teake him, because he was the rugby player of the year 2007.
Who’s got Habana’s number, I’ll be his agent….
18 Mar 2010, 12:01 pm
@Skim: tell me about it
18 Mar 2010, 12:01 pm
@ImAStronter: 11?
18 Mar 2010, 12:01 pm
@Transformation: I’m sure he does….. but you are such a doos that he wont give it to you
18 Mar 2010, 12:02 pm
Tac I ran 11.00 at school and also believe to be quicker now…. qiucker to fetch myself a beer and quicker to open the Whiskey…. Hehehehe
18 Mar 2010, 12:02 pm
@ImAStronter: @137
Wel, ek dink dis veilig om dit terug te verander…
18 Mar 2010, 12:02 pm
@ImAStronter:
40 yards is a shorter distance than 40m. 4.6 for 40m will translate to about 4.4 for 40 yards. Still, America is bound to have quicker guys than anything we can produce.
I’m talking about SA rugby.
18 Mar 2010, 12:04 pm
@ImAStronter: @144
Those are yards and not meters…
18 Mar 2010, 12:04 pm
@ImAStronter: Lol, I think you would have to fight his dad in order to be his agent! 40 yards is a touch shorter than 40 metres but they are still machines.
18 Mar 2010, 12:05 pm
@Provvas: No, Nokwe also said something about 10.5-10.6 over 100m. Obviously someone who’s much quicker than that would rather go and run the Olympics. Hehe.
18 Mar 2010, 12:06 pm
wasn’t james dalton the fastest guy over 40m when he played for the Boks? or was it the fastest forward? i remember something like that
18 Mar 2010, 12:06 pm
@Loftus_Nabyveldt:
Probably the fastest draw…
18 Mar 2010, 12:07 pm
@Loftus_Nabyveldt: The fastest to the bar?
18 Mar 2010, 12:09 pm
lol yeah ..i also didn’t believe in back then … must be the fastest forward over 40m …
18 Mar 2010, 12:09 pm
@Bouts:
Exactly. 10.5 is probably the upper limit you’re going to find in rugby, maybe the odd 10.4 like Reinach. But then you start getting into finely tuned territory where guys become injury prone.
That’s why I always knew the Chavanga 10.27 story was cr*p. If he ran that at age 16, he would be at the Olympics now.
Doug Howlett’s best time is a 10.7 and he was a junior NZ sprinter.
18 Mar 2010, 12:09 pm
@Loftus_Nabyveldt: Yeah, I believe it was the fastest forward among the boks at that time.
18 Mar 2010, 12:09 pm
@Tacitus: 40 yards = 36.1 meters.
So yeah, it is a bit shorter, but you got to think that that extra 4 meters will be cover in .1 of a second…. speculating though.
But yeah in SA… if those are the numbers for vd Heever, then …. holy ****. Still cant quite fathom him being faster that nokwe though.
Speaking of Nokwe, the guys’s working hard at his game. Remember him previously dropping every ball that came his way… His game is much improved …
18 Mar 2010, 12:11 pm
@Tacitus: Do you Pierre SPies’ times?
18 Mar 2010, 12:12 pm
@ImAStronter:
I’d say you’d struggle to see the difference between vd Heever, Nokwe and Chavanga on a rugby field. If one is carrying a ball, the other should be able to haul him in.
We’re talking split second differences here.
18 Mar 2010, 12:14 pm
I remember that Jeff Wilson Actually qualified ft the olympics When he playe for NZ. I think His time over the 100m was 10.18!!!
I also remembr a player from Wp…. A winger with long hair in the 80 or 90′s that did a 10.25 over the 100m… Cant for the life of me remember his name… dammit!!!
18 Mar 2010, 12:14 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
Only his 100m time at school, which was 10.7.
And he is not in the top 3 at the Bulls over the first 40m. So I think he is more of a straight line sprinter, who would haul in the others over the final 50m in a 100m dash. Makes sense, cause he has longer legs. Look at Usain Bolt, who is slow out of the blocks as well.
I also know Dippenaar is a 10.9 over the 100m (slower than Spies was at school) but is quicker than him over the first 40m.
18 Mar 2010, 12:15 pm
Look how many tries the wings at the bulls are currently scoring and one of them isn’t even a wing..mapoe will dominate there.. Pack your bags chap it’s time for the big time and the big money..there is a double cab with your name in it in the bulls parking lot..
18 Mar 2010, 12:16 pm
@Tacitus: Well, then you’d actually have to say Habana is quite the slouch, because if a guy outran him with ball in hand…..at the world cup….and those 3 you mentioned couldn’t run away from each other…when one has a ball in hand…
Think like you said earlier, Habana has this stigma around him that he is super fast…
18 Mar 2010, 12:18 pm
HERE ARE THE FACTS!!!!!
Tac
I am seriously tired of this ****, 13.8 could never have been a SA Youth Record ( Boys U/18,17, 16,15 yrs), period. Marthinus Van der Vyver ran 13.35 in 2001.
Here are the links: www[dot]gbrathletics[dot]com/ic/wy.htm
and
www[dot]athletics[dot]org[dot]za/uploads/SAYouthRecords.pdf
I’m not saying the boy is a slouch but he broke or held no SA Record FFS!!!, just because his PT teacher said “Jeezlik, you fast son, 13.8 must be a national record”, unfortunately, it doesn’t make it so.
Hurdles van der heever has no SA Record for hurdles!!!!!!
18 Mar 2010, 12:18 pm
@Provvas:
Simon Berridge…???
18 Mar 2010, 12:19 pm
@Provvas:
Jeff Wilson was about an 11 second 100m runner.
18 Mar 2010, 12:20 pm
To be more specific though,
Those guys are only fast when they have an open field or the outside…
Habana though gets away from people in traffic….. which makes him look super fast(like the ganme against Samoa in world cup)
Hence my earlier thought of him being a good running back in the NFL as those guys hit it up the middle in traffic…
18 Mar 2010, 12:20 pm
@WOLFMAN21: 115
Last I heard, Zahier “Kakkelak” Ryland is playing wing at Super A rugby club SK Walmers in Cape Town.
Same old schpiel – getting a raw deal from WP rugby because of his stature (or lack thereof) so instead of playing no rugby at all, he’s giving it horns at top club level. Top-end speedster without a doubt, but not the biggest oke around… And WP (read: SA) rugby is notoriously “sizeist”:lol:
18 Mar 2010, 12:20 pm
@XhosaKid:
You again. Will you never learn?
18 Mar 2010, 12:20 pm
imastronter: As said before: Habana’s pace comes with vision on the field. The try he scored for the bonus point came from quick reaction and good execution.
He also must have lost a bit of pace in the last couple of years from age and building muscle…
18 Mar 2010, 12:21 pm
@Tacitus: @ 162
Therefore rugby skills and nous are more important than blind pace…??? Rather have a more skilled player who is .1 of second slower than the quicker player with less skills…??
therefore… by your own admission… (putting words in your mouth…
)
Habs is your man…!!
18 Mar 2010, 12:21 pm
@ufo: Donner, haven’t heard that name is ages.
18 Mar 2010, 12:22 pm
@Provvas: The players are set off with a light. Lazers monitor their reaction time from when the light goes on to when they start running. It will obviously also pick up who takes off before the light goes. The 40m mark is also controlled by lazer so there is very little human error.
18 Mar 2010, 12:23 pm
@WOLFMAN21: 161
I once saw somewhere that Pierre Spies smoked Habana over 40 metres.
18 Mar 2010, 12:24 pm
Vd Heever, being a hurdles athlete, will have better accelleration than a straight line sprinter like Spies or Dippenaar (who has clocked a 10.9s 100m at school).
That’s why vd Heever’s 40m time will be so good. And that’s why his accelleration when he changes direction on the field will be so good too.
18 Mar 2010, 12:25 pm
@4thWiseMan:
Don’t know where that comes from. I know that Spies is not in the top 3 20m sprinters at the Bulls at the moment.
They don’t do 40m tests anymore, apparently. But it is logical that smaller guys will be quicker off the mark than bigger, longer legged ones.
18 Mar 2010, 12:26 pm
No Tac.. Jeff WILSON Has alwas been the super human kind… Excelled at rugby, Cricket and also in sprints… let me look up some stats on the net…
UFO…. No it was something like Knoetse or coetsee or…. FFS cant rememebr man!! He looked alot like kabous…
18 Mar 2010, 12:27 pm
@Tacitus: 158
Michael Dup beat Jaco Reinach over 400m, Reinach’s speciality, during the Varsity Championships, in 82 or 83 I think.
You have any idea what his time over 100m was?
18 Mar 2010, 12:27 pm
@4thWiseMan: Time wise? or on the field?
The thing that must be remembered about Spies is that he isn’t meant to be an out and out sprinter like a winger. When he does get the ball in the open field after 60 minutes, he has already spent the previous 60 minutes jumping, scrumming, rucking, mauling and taking the ball into contact, all things which sap the power and speed in your legs. The fact that he can still out run backling players to score is pretty impressive.
@Tacitus: and why he has half decent footwork.
18 Mar 2010, 12:27 pm
@Provvas:
I recall Jeff Wilson being a 10.8 100m runner, not 10.18. He used to be the same speed as Andre Snyman, who was also a 10.8 and the quickest Bok at the time.
18 Mar 2010, 12:27 pm
@Tacitus: @172, fortunately, facts dont change as you wish them to. Talk all you want but facts are fcats, I just thought I should kill this now, you have no shame
18 Mar 2010, 12:28 pm
@nama1:
Hey man, I’m not a repository of athletics knowledge. I only know what I can research on the web, or what I have obtained from direct questions to players.
Don’t have a clue about Michael “the Liberal” du Plessis’s time over the 100m.
18 Mar 2010, 12:28 pm
@Tacitus: Well dippenaar was shown up over the weekend though. He couldn’t catch up to Dagg in a 50 meter sprint to the line when the fullback scored from broken play.
18 Mar 2010, 12:29 pm
This thread’s been hijacked…the topic was the Bulls borrowing the Stormers blueprint
18 Mar 2010, 12:29 pm
@XhosaKid:
You’re a sad case.
Accept it.
Nokwe: 4.62
vd Heever: 4.57.
There’s no shame in that. Nokwe is still a bloody fast wing.
18 Mar 2010, 12:30 pm
@ImAStronter: and then Habana outran Dagg to score
18 Mar 2010, 12:31 pm
@ImAStronter:
All I know is Dippenaar has done a 10.9 100m. Don’t know what Dagg has done, but if he is as good as they say, he might well have done it faster than that.
Dippenaar is still damn quick for an outside centre, though.
18 Mar 2010, 12:31 pm
@ImAStronter:
dunno if he is the guy Provvas is referring to…
but he was damn quick and a flat-track sprinter…
18 Mar 2010, 12:31 pm
@WOLFMAN21: 182
Timewise, I think… But then again, I did come across it on the net, and we all know we shouldn’t believe everything we read on the interwebs… Like Wikipedia, and Tacitus’ statistics
18 Mar 2010, 12:31 pm
Thanks GI POT!!!
So it is on the track then? with spikes or trainers? Or Rugby boots??? HMMM??? Hehehehehe
Woul love to attend the 40m sprints at a Springbok training session.
remember those races between boks on the horse tracks.. Yhinus told the world he beats the ***** out of Monty only to be made out as a Donkey … by Monty…
18 Mar 2010, 12:32 pm
Yhinus = Thinus Delport
18 Mar 2010, 12:33 pm
@Provvas:
Ja, Andre Snyman won that race. He was the quickest Bok at the time, with Gaffie du Toit being 2nd.
18 Mar 2010, 12:33 pm
Cheers okes. Gotta run. Sorry about the k@k joke earlier…. anyways…
18 Mar 2010, 12:33 pm
@Storm outta hell:
you’re right bud…
very sly guy this Tac is…!!
18 Mar 2010, 12:36 pm
I’m almost sure I saw a doccie once with Andre Pretorius going head to head with a cheetah – the animal, not the team.
Anyone know what his stats were, in his prime?
18 Mar 2010, 12:37 pm
@Provvas: @ 180
a Province guy…?
Wilson also was a basketball star…
18 Mar 2010, 12:37 pm
Heh. I guess I could always throw Dr Derek Coetzee an e-mail. Don’t know whether he’s allowed to give those stats. Hehe.
18 Mar 2010, 12:39 pm
@4thWiseMan: You sure you’re not thinking of the Bryan Habana race against a Cheetah?
18 Mar 2010, 12:41 pm
andre pretorius
outran
the cheetah
by far
18 Mar 2010, 12:42 pm
@Bouts:
No, no, I’m certain that it was Andre Pretorius… And then the Bryan Habana one happened later, because I do recall that as well.
18 Mar 2010, 12:42 pm
@4thWiseMan: That was Habana. He did it for a charity that helps protect Cheetahs (again, the animal not the team!).
He obviously had a head start and the Cheetah still caught up with him, but was still pretty cool.
18 Mar 2010, 12:42 pm
@Tacitus:
You’re the one who mentioned Reinach as a 10.4 sprinter. I was just wondering about MduP’s time seeing that he beat Reinach, that’s all. Maybe Reinach’s time is just an urban legend.
No problem.
18 Mar 2010, 12:42 pm
LOL! Fat chance of that. Poor Bryan himself looked like he was standing still when the Cheetah ran past him.
18 Mar 2010, 12:42 pm
@Tacitus:
I remember Michael making “liberal” use of his knee against Giepie Nel’s face at Newlands…
18 Mar 2010, 12:42 pm
@4thWiseMan: Oh right, didn’t see the Pretorius one. Did he pull a muscle?
18 Mar 2010, 12:43 pm
@4thWiseMan:
Are you not thinking about Habana ?
18 Mar 2010, 12:43 pm
The video is on YouTube for those who missed it. Just search ‘Habana vs Cheetah’
18 Mar 2010, 12:43 pm
TAc You have a very selected memory hey?? There were not just one of those races….. Monty ran in I think 3 of them… The one I saw…. He beat the living **** out of every one.. .even Brent Russel, Breyton Paulse, Jean De villiers etc… Thinus Deplort came in 5th…. Monty won the race….. Thinus even blamed the thick grass as too hard to sprint on… when everybody ran on the same stuff!!! Hehehehe
Still searching the jeff wilson times…
18 Mar 2010, 12:43 pm
@Tacitus: @188, you cut and pasted Craig Ray saying 13.8 was/is an SA record, which is total bullshit, excuse the pun.
I give you facts, instead of acknowledging that, you shoot of on a tangent, refuse to deal with offial records, you rather deal with me than deal with facts.
If you give me your email, I’ll gladly give you cell number of ASA statistician, its his job to do the records.
Anyway, whats your source regarding “Hurdles” time, that would be interesting.
18 Mar 2010, 12:45 pm
@nama1:
Was’nt Reinach the SA record holder?
18 Mar 2010, 12:48 pm
@Blouste: yeah for the 400m….in the late 40secs i think
18 Mar 2010, 12:48 pm
Hey. Looking at the vids on YouTube and how a cheetah outruns a lion, maybe Habana stood a better chance against a lion! LOL!
18 Mar 2010, 12:48 pm
@Bouts:
That would be great, if you could. I’d be interested in the stats.
18 Mar 2010, 12:49 pm
@WOLFMAN21: 208
18 Mar 2010, 12:51 pm
@Blouste:
He became the record holder later, yes. By that time Michael concentrated on rugby.
18 Mar 2010, 12:51 pm
Just got his on twitter.
Wikus van Heerden has been released early from his contract and will join up with the Lions for the remainder of the S14.
18 Mar 2010, 12:53 pm
Best of luck to Wikus.
18 Mar 2010, 12:53 pm
@Oubaas2009: Poor old Wikus…. off to his old KAK team….. when will he learn?
18 Mar 2010, 12:53 pm
@nama1:
Could be. I don’t have stats to back up Reinach’s time. Just hearsay.
18 Mar 2010, 12:53 pm
@Tacitus: the elephant in the room you keep ignoring….
18 Mar 2010, 12:54 pm
@Provvas:
OK, I only saw the one where Snyman smoked Montgomery over the last 50m or so.
18 Mar 2010, 12:56 pm
@XhosaKid:
I’ve dealt with you before. And you refuse to accept reality.
The time is on record. Now shut up, please, because you are extremely repetitive. And obtuse.
18 Mar 2010, 12:57 pm
@Tisme:
45.01..I found it now, thanks.
In 1983
18 Mar 2010, 12:57 pm
@Tisme:
There was something significant about him breaking the record.
Either he became the first SA athlete to break the 46 or 45 sec barrier or it was just a case that the previous record stood for such a long time.
18 Mar 2010, 12:59 pm
400m
Result Name Venue Date
1. 44.59 Arnaud Malherbe Roodepoort 1999-03-19
Hendrik Mokganyetsi Yokohama 2000-09-09
3. 44.65 Marcus la Grange Pretoria 2002-04-12
4. 44.75 Jopie van Oudtshoorn Germiston 1999-04-07
5. 45.01 Jaco Reinach Bloemfontein 1983-04-15
6. 45.11 Ludwig Myburgh Potchefstroom 1985-04-12
Ofentse Mogawane Malles 2006-07-22
8. 45.14 Adriaan Botha Roodepoort 2001-03-16
9. 45.15 Riaan Dempers Secunda 1994-05-06
18 Mar 2010, 13:02 pm
OK cheers… time to make my picks on Superbru…
Canes by plenty…
18 Mar 2010, 13:03 pm
even
ou malles
ran the
400
18 Mar 2010, 13:06 pm
@Tacitus: You are a LIAR and I can prove it:
13.8 could never have been a SA Youth Record ( Boys U/18,17, 16,15 yrs) when Van Der Heever was at school, period. Marthinus Van der Vyver ran 13.35 in 2001 and its still the SA U/18 or 17 yr record to date
Here are the links to show you up as a LIAR:
www[dot]gbrathletics[dot]com/ic/wy.htm
and
www[dot]athletics[ot]org[dot]za/uploads/SAYouthRecords.pdf
Now prove me wrong, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!!, I repeat, YOU ARE A LIAR and I dare you, in fact I double dare you to call me one and give facts like I have done
18 Mar 2010, 13:07 pm
@Porra the Fat Speedster:
I’m sure he could not beat you.
You are a speedster after all, despite your unique physique.
18 Mar 2010, 13:08 pm
@Tisme: boo hoo…so you think you’ve made a point?
@Tacitus: where does this 4.57 come from Tac, is it official from the Blue Bullls website?
18 Mar 2010, 13:11 pm
Seems Xhosakid is right after all.
I checked the link and no where is there any mention of ‘Hurdles’ Van Der Heever!!!
18 Mar 2010, 13:13 pm
@XhosaKid:
For the 100th, no 1000th time. And for the record, for the LAST TIME.
Marthinus vd Vywer ran in a different event. In his event, the hurdles were 88cm high. This changed in 2006, and in vd Heever’s event, the hurdles were 99.5 cm high. The same height as at U21 level. Hence the fact that 13.87 for a 17 year old was a new record when he ran it.
What’s your point, though? The time is on record. Officially so, which is more than can be said of the claimed times of Nokwe, Chavanga, Habana, “insert random winger’s name here”.
Now stop wasting my time, dimwit.
18 Mar 2010, 13:14 pm
I double dare you!!!!
WTF!
18 Mar 2010, 13:15 pm
@XhosaKid: dude, hurdles ran this time at another meeting and his time wasn’t put in as the official record but when you compare it to the official record it is faster, now what part of this do you dispute
How is Tac being a liar? You can’t come here & accuse him of fabricating stats, his reputation is at stake here!
18 Mar 2010, 13:15 pm
@wpw:
His time is on record in 2007. The 2nd quickest time of the year – he ran in the U21 race. But the quickest time by a 17 year old.
18 Mar 2010, 13:16 pm
@Tacitus:
Tact
Where is your proof??
According to ASA’s records Marthinus vd Vewyer is the record holder.
18 Mar 2010, 13:17 pm
@Tacitus:
Ok. Ignore my 239 post then!!
18 Mar 2010, 13:18 pm
@gunther: Pulp fiction, stupid, “Say what again, I dare you, in fact, I double dare you”, broaden your horizon a just a bit, there is a wonderful world out there.
18 Mar 2010, 13:18 pm
@Tacitus: Lovely the way he talks to everyone isn’t it….would love to see him do it face to face….but we all know there’s no chance of that! Keyboard warrior!
18 Mar 2010, 13:18 pm
Check the article in the Times about Hurdles van den Heever. THey agree with Tacticus.
He ran the 110 metres hurdles in a South African record of 13.8 seconds in high school and ran 20.9 for the 200 metres.
But then they reckon he is 96 kgs.
Not convinced!
18 Mar 2010, 13:20 pm
Guys guys – Tac does not talk **** – he only types it. Now give him the respect he so dearly deserves.
18 Mar 2010, 13:20 pm
www(dot)timeslive(dot)co(dot)za/sport/rugby/article359875.ece
18 Mar 2010, 13:25 pm
I understand where it comes from numbnuts.. Before pulp fiction it also came from the playground.., maybe the hard on you seem to have for van der heever is affecting the blood flow to your brain… I mean honestly does it bother you how fast the guy is supposed to have run ?
Or is it something else?
18 Mar 2010, 13:30 pm
@gunther:
You did read 96, did you not?
OK, of to Kaapfontein for my sister’s wedding on Saturday.
Go well, all of you.
18 Mar 2010, 13:34 pm
@gunther: i think Tac is the one with the hard on about how fast Hurdles is…he has been telling anyone that cares to listen, even going as far as to extrapolate that if the hurdles were 88 cm & the others were….Hard on right there!
But we all know why Tac is so fascinated with Hurdles…he is “stereotypicall south african” after all.
18 Mar 2010, 13:35 pm
@nama1: Cheers ,enjoy !!!
18 Mar 2010, 13:37 pm
“stereotypicall south african” for a wing? hmmmm Maybe that is why some people are so hellbent on discredting this youngster as he challanges the stereotype?
18 Mar 2010, 13:38 pm
Tact is it so difficult to admit that blacks are faster than white okes? we admit that white okes are the best in rugby …so give us coloured ppl our dues…
18 Mar 2010, 13:41 pm
the fastest rugby player i’ve ever een was when Luke Watson ran to the changing room after the Bulls/Stormers game @ Loftus , he was k@k bang
18 Mar 2010, 13:43 pm
18 Mar 2010, 13:43 pm
@Luke_Twatson: Jis you can talk k@K
18 Mar 2010, 13:44 pm
@Tacitus: @235 let me show you up for the LIAR you are:
1. Marthinus van der Vyver ran his time with the hurdles at 91.4cm not 88cm
2. 99cm record is 13.73, set by Louw Smit, Smit was born 1988, “Hurdles” Van Der Heever was born 1988, meaning Louw was 19yrs, “Hurdles” was 18 yrs old not 17yrs,as you would like us to believe so does that mean just because I came 4 in the Super14, I have won the Currie Cup, OR Athletics SA should have created a separate event for Van Der Heever?
With regards to who is fater Habana, Nokwe, Hurdles or whoever, I dont know but I know for sure who was the SA record holder in the alledged year of Van der heever
18 Mar 2010, 13:49 pm
@Beertjie: @250, have you considered the contrary, maybe its why others are blowing smoke up about him, it cuts both ways,but I guess that wouldn’t have crossed your mind, now, would it?
18 Mar 2010, 13:51 pm
@XhosaKid: Hurdles was born 1989 not 88.
18 Mar 2010, 13:53 pm
Time out with…Tonderai Chavhanga
On being a decent sprinter:
“I was not bad, but it’s not true that I ran the 100m in 10.27 seconds. It was 10.5. 10.2 is pretty fast.
18 Mar 2010, 13:55 pm
@XhosaKid: All i’m saying is that Tacitus is known for “maak die Bulle almal Bokke”, which is not necessarily wrong but you seems just as obsessed with this kid. He is young, his fast and developing nicely. Sit back and enjoy.
18 Mar 2010, 13:56 pm
@Beertjie: That are my best Engels
18 Mar 2010, 13:58 pm
@NamaI:
hehehe
Now all we need is for Tact to somehow come up with the notion that VD Heever IS in fact the SA U18 100m and 200m record holder and Leigh Julius is not!!
He will find a loophole of that I am sure!!!
18 Mar 2010, 13:59 pm
Interview with G.van den Heever…
The man himself…
*************************************************************
Apparently you were a great athlete?
I was a hurdler and I broke the SA under 18 record in my matric year. My time for the 110m hurdlers was 13.8 seconds.
18 Mar 2010, 14:01 pm
@XhosaKid:
So you’ve just blown a hole in your own argument.
The vd. Vywer chap you referred to DID participate in a different event – with lower hurdles. Hence his time is not for the correct event.
The guy you thought was quicker in vd Heever’s event was actually older than him.
So what are you actually trying to say? Or have you forgotten?
18 Mar 2010, 14:02 pm
Who cares if VD Heever is quicker than Bryan Habana?? Or Jongi Nokwe.
He will more than likely play for the Boks one day and then all of us can support him.
Yaso, but I swear you guys are like a bunch of women eksé!!
18 Mar 2010, 14:06 pm
@wpw:
Xhosakid has a pscyhological condition which does not allow him to accept that the kid might be quicker than Nokwe.
That’s the reason it drags out for so long.
18 Mar 2010, 14:09 pm
@Beertjie: no man! a “stereotypically south african” rugby player = an afrikaner rugby player, according to Tacitus…he coined the euphimism “stereotypically south african” he said a black guy playing rugby in soweto is not the stereotype of a south african that plays rugby, an afrikaner is. Get it now?
He concluded that the kiwis hate the Blue Bulls because because they are as “stereotypically south african” as it gets!
18 Mar 2010, 14:10 pm
Gerhard does not look that quick. That try he scored against the Highlanders, he struggled to the line. Nokwe the fastest in the Land.
18 Mar 2010, 14:13 pm
@iori Yagami:
WOW…He looks faster… I guess that settles it then
18 Mar 2010, 14:13 pm
@iori Yagami:
Thanks for settling that.
18 Mar 2010, 14:14 pm
@Blouste:
Snap.
18 Mar 2010, 14:15 pm
@iori Yagami:
Not true. We all know Ollie le Roux is the fastest.
18 Mar 2010, 14:16 pm
@WP Till I Die:
You forgot to mention “….to the Spur”
18 Mar 2010, 14:17 pm
@Blouste:
Exactly.
18 Mar 2010, 14:17 pm
@Tacitus:@Blouste: Sure no problem guys glad i could help.
18 Mar 2010, 14:18 pm
Not long ago it was all about size does count – now its about speed! This type of talk just makes Tac excited.
18 Mar 2010, 14:19 pm
Tac, I couldn’t get the stats, but he did send me something which could interest you (if you haven’t seen it already.) How can I e-mail it to you?
18 Mar 2010, 14:21 pm
@Tacitus:
My word. You have spent hours arguing about whether VD Heever is the quickest wing in SA? Seriously, who gives a stuff?
Does it really offend your sensibilities that much that people may disagree that your new favouritest person in the whole wide world is the quickest around?
And you tell people that their sources are flwaed (the internet) but then rattle off your own “facts” from the internet and even worse interviews.
When I was 21 I ran the 100m in 10s flat. It must be true, because I’m saying it here. I was a wing as well. Never made the Bok side though. Turns out that being really superly, duperly quick isn’t the only requirement for a top-class wing.
For what it’s worth VD Heever looks like a seriously promising talent, but it’s early days still, so lets not start hailing him as the new prince of wings just yet. He’s not the messiah, he’s a very speedy boy.
18 Mar 2010, 14:22 pm
Whatsgoingonhere
18 Mar 2010, 14:22 pm
Usain Bolt is the fastest man in the world. But does he have the skills to play “total” rugby? I may be going out on a limb here, but probably not. Speed is not everything.
Wait, what are you guys arguing about again?
18 Mar 2010, 14:23 pm
@Transformation: Oh sorry, i do not take notes about all the argument you ladies have
18 Mar 2010, 14:23 pm
Gerhard looks real good, reminds me of Doug Howlett always in the right place at the right time. Excellent finisher.
18 Mar 2010, 14:24 pm
He may be fast, but a few guys have run all over him in the last few games. He must work on his tackling then we can talk about being classed as a Bok.
18 Mar 2010, 14:25 pm
@Blouste: @262, herein lies the problem, the Offical SA record for the U/18 110m hurdles is 13.35, set in 2001 by Marthinus van der Vyver. There is no other SA U/18 110m record.
I would love to understand which or what was this record he broke, I say this because, Marthinus was 17yrs old in 2001 when he ran 13.35 ( at a lower height of 91.4cm), thereafter the height was adjusted to 99cm in 2006 and the record at this new height is 13.73.
By extrapolation, Hurdles was the fastest 18 yr old that year, considering that Louw, who is the SA record holder was 19yrs old at the time. The only remaining fact is that, the SA U18 record will forever be 13.35 ran by Marthinus Van der Vyver in 2001 at the height of 91.4cm.
Maybe by running 13.87 as a 18yr old, Hurdles “created” a new record for himself, maybe another 18 yr old from Cegcuwana ran 13.84 in the same year, we will never know, but I can bet that the boy from Cegcuwana doesn’t claim the SA record.
18 Mar 2010, 14:25 pm
Storm outta hell #187 and UFO #197
Hehehehe……Someone just pulled a Julius Malema on us i.e he deflected attention from the real issue by bringing up a totally irrelevant piece of information and you all fell for it.
I mean instead of discussing why the invicible manne from the blue bulls plan on copying the defensive methods of the “Broke-back mountain goats” (as the Stormers are sometimes referred to on this site). We’re busy discussing who’s got the fastest times etc……
Nice work Tacitus.
18 Mar 2010, 14:25 pm
Tacitus is trying (and succeeding, it seems) to divert attention away from the fact that the Bulls are copying pages out of the Stormers playbook.
18 Mar 2010, 14:26 pm
Gerhard is still way behind in the pecking order for Bok wings.
18 Mar 2010, 14:26 pm
I tend more towards marathons than speed.
18 Mar 2010, 14:27 pm
Nonu is a monster, which is why he’s the best centre in the world.
It is strange though that he’s never played that way….
18 Mar 2010, 14:28 pm
Hurdles van den Heever is very, very quick.
It’s amazing how rapidly he manages to get out of the way of a player that’s running at him, for example…
18 Mar 2010, 14:28 pm
And Bekker is quite tall, which is why he’s the best lock in South africa.
18 Mar 2010, 14:28 pm
@Dawn:
Hey Dawn!!
Howzit??
18 Mar 2010, 14:28 pm
Is van den Heever white?
Would explain a lot.
18 Mar 2010, 14:30 pm
Whether he is fast or not he has scored as many tries as the Sharks in this year’s Super14 while playing one game less.
18 Mar 2010, 14:30 pm
If van den Heever is white, would explain Tacitus’ orgasmic postings, and the comparisons to my fave Jonge and the asthmatic Habana.
18 Mar 2010, 14:30 pm
Listen, it’s good to know that VD Heever is an exceptional hurdler.
With the rules changing all the time, it’s surely only a matter of time before they introduce hurdles to the pitch.
Bakkies is an exceptional debater as well, which will be useful when they start the half-time “debate for a bonus point” matches.
They’re coming soon.
18 Mar 2010, 14:31 pm
@Jozi: hook, line and sinker, guilty as charged, now Tac, how are you planning to solve your defense
18 Mar 2010, 14:31 pm
Hey Dawn. Careful.
18 Mar 2010, 14:31 pm
Whats the odds on a song for this guy? Liefling had his own song. White Lightening comes to mind. Any suggestions? Moftus is great at singing to their guys.
18 Mar 2010, 14:31 pm
@4thWiseMan: And the Stormers copied the Cheetahs. So the Bulls are actually copying the Cheetahs, but the Bulls already won against the Cheetahs, so the Stormers actually copied the Bulls in the first place. Ha!
18 Mar 2010, 14:31 pm
@Vetkoek:
18 Mar 2010, 14:32 pm
@Dawn:
not sure if we should be racial profiling like that Dawn.
Suffice it to say he can’t dance.
Or jump.
18 Mar 2010, 14:33 pm
@Dawn: 292
:-p
18 Mar 2010, 14:33 pm
@Bouts:
Why?
18 Mar 2010, 14:35 pm
Those types of insults can get you in trouble, even if hiding behind an anonymous nick.
18 Mar 2010, 14:36 pm
Hurdles van den Heever once outran a minibus taxi. True story.
18 Mar 2010, 14:36 pm
I still reckon Nokwe would win in a bar fight.
18 Mar 2010, 14:37 pm
@Beertjie: 299
Wow, that vicious cycle just made me dizzy.
18 Mar 2010, 14:38 pm
@Bouts:
It is actually her name.
18 Mar 2010, 14:39 pm
Borrow – lend – lay-bye – are they all the same thing? When you borrow something do you give it back? If not is it not classified as stealing!
18 Mar 2010, 14:39 pm
@WP Till I Die: 305
I heard Hurdles van den Heever used to be a black dude… But he ran so fast, he outran his pigment, became a white dude, and so became the newest liefling of the Loftus faithful
18 Mar 2010, 14:40 pm
@WP Till I Die:
Hang on that’s a bit rash. You see, if you’re going to make claims like that, then you need to produce the facts.
Was it a 16 seater? Because back in 2003, Nokwe outran a 14 seater, but then they changed the length of the wheelbase and so if you are saying that VD Heever outran a minibus taxi after 2003, then it doesn’t count, because it had more seats.
And I remember an interview with Guthro Steenkamp where he claimed to outrun a 16-seater Combi in record time, but it had the entire Bulls pack in it, so not sure if that counts.
18 Mar 2010, 14:40 pm
@WP Till I Die: Yeah Dawn Van den Heever!
18 Mar 2010, 14:40 pm
@XhosaKid: #296 Hi Nyoka yak’dala lomuntu…….Yena kodwa uya wa khuluma amasimba!
18 Mar 2010, 14:40 pm
Hurdles is white therefore he is not allowed to be fast… I have it on good authority that he is a kak dancer as well..
18 Mar 2010, 14:41 pm
@Vetkoek: #277 too late for you Vettie; there’s already an article in the SA Rugby magazine suggesting that Hurdles will have obstacles (i don’t know if the pun was intended) to clear before he is picked for the bokke, you may ask why….welll wait for it….because (Dawn) he is white! Hehehe
So all this frothing @ the mouth by Tac is a pre-emptive strike towards clearing the way that Hurdles is indeed the future of Bok rugby on the wing.
18 Mar 2010, 14:42 pm
@Dawn:
Marathon over speed
I agree…
18 Mar 2010, 14:42 pm
Then they go and moderate my Zulu post to Xhosakid…….
Ag Roy, Keo whoever….there are eleven official languages in this country come on fellas!
Xhosakid now watch him go awol.
18 Mar 2010, 14:42 pm
@4thWiseMan: 310
he’s so quick he may not even be human.
Or perhaps he’s been sampling some of those special sweets in Pedrie’s sock drawer?
18 Mar 2010, 14:43 pm
@Vetkoek: Never mind the number of seats, how many people were in them?
18 Mar 2010, 14:43 pm
@Blouste: van der Heever is right. I looked into it from the ASA site a few weeks back and posted the results. Xhosakid is wrong and needs to deal with it.
18 Mar 2010, 14:44 pm
@gunther: 313
Ya, but since the laaitie is clearing heights of 99cm, he can clearly jump! So much for that stereotype.
18 Mar 2010, 14:44 pm
@Dantalian: 318
easy. It was a 14 seater minibus taxi, so they had the competition standard 43 passengers.
18 Mar 2010, 14:44 pm
@WP Till I Die: Question: Julius, what is a Quantum Leap?
Julius Malema: uh, ehm….it is when you jump out of those new toyota taxis, comrade!
18 Mar 2010, 14:47 pm
Transit
LOL!
18 Mar 2010, 14:48 pm
Well here’s my two cents.
Firstly:Van den Heever is clearly quick. Claiming he has an SA schools record is very misleading however, since if I understood correctly from all the posts the event (with the higher hurdles) was only introduced in 2006. And even then it’s not clear its the record. But even if it is, the most you could say was: “Van den Heever had the fastest u18 time since 2006 over 99cm hurdles”. Which is good already, but hardly “Official SA record status of all time”. But he is clearly very fast.
Secondly: All these times being thrown around by Tacitus are ridiculous (For sure at least the 40m ones). Even if information has been correctly transferred from interview to internet to Tacitus, you cannot compare the times so easily. The surfaces they ran on, the shoes, the wind conditions, the method of timing, all these things are different from team training session to team training session. And that’s besides being taken at different times and conditioning stages in a player’s career. Taking the time in the post, pre or off season, or at 21 years and 26 years old, would make quite a difference.
These times can clearly give an indication, but the only time you can see clearly who is fastest in the rugby world is when 2 players have a long chase on the field. Then they both have rugby studs on, same surface, same wind, time to get up to speed, etc.
So until I see Van den Heever running away from Nokwe and Chavanga, or Habanna for that matter, I will reserve my judgement.
And finally of course, we all realise that this discussion is ridiculous, there not a lot of straight footraces between two wings. As a wing you just need to be “fast enough”, meaning you won’t be caught if you get manage to get into a gap or catch someone on the wrong foot. All these wings we are discussing are “fast enough”, and their skills, anticipation, workrate and defence are waaaayyyy more important.
18 Mar 2010, 14:48 pm
@Transformation: @ 322
18 Mar 2010, 14:49 pm
@WP Till I Die:
18 Mar 2010, 14:49 pm
I think Spies and Kankowski will give most wingers a run for their money
18 Mar 2010, 14:50 pm
Vark steaks,
Stry julle nog steeds oor wat vd Heever se sprint tyd was en wie die vinnigste is???
18 Mar 2010, 14:51 pm
@Vetkoek: “the competition standard 43 passengers.”
18 Mar 2010, 14:53 pm
@MR B: @327 – Thinking is not acceptable here! Where did you get these facts?
18 Mar 2010, 14:53 pm
4th wiseguy
The height if the hurdles is in question so the racial profiling on van der heever will have to wait a while…
The question is can he run faster than jub jub at the Soweto high school sports day..
18 Mar 2010, 14:53 pm
Hulle het by Julius Malema se huis ingebreek en 3 van sy boeke gesteel.Hy is hoogs de Bl@#sem in, want 2 van hulle het hy nog nie klaar ingekleur nie
18 Mar 2010, 14:54 pm
@MR B: 327
I think the sight of Spies bearing down on him would just give Hurdles the runs.
18 Mar 2010, 14:54 pm
@Vetkoek: @311,
!!!!!!!
18 Mar 2010, 14:55 pm
331
Now I can’t wait to hear the responses on that…
18 Mar 2010, 14:55 pm
@Vetkoek:
And he has a small winky!!!
18 Mar 2010, 14:56 pm
@Vetkoek:
No, it was definitely a Quantum that Van den Heever outran.
And this was a brand-new Quantum – unlike the 14-seater Nokwe outran in 2003 that had 400,000 km on the clock.
Also, Van den Heever did his run AT NIGHT. In the nude.
18 Mar 2010, 14:57 pm
@gunther: 331
Jub Jub… Yoooorr, that ou is in a world of k@k. As if having Mama Jackie as your mother wasn’t bad enough
18 Mar 2010, 14:57 pm
@wpw:
That would be an unfortunate side-effect of Pedrie “powder neus” Wannenburgs recreational stimulants
18 Mar 2010, 15:00 pm
Cocaine does not make your winkie small..
Ask j9…
18 Mar 2010, 15:01 pm
@Transformation:
Siyaya?
18 Mar 2010, 15:01 pm
@WP Till I Die:
Ja but Nokwe was racing a fully stripped down taxi, being driven by a one-armed drug dealer with a spanner for a steering wheel, and enough bass in the sound system to add at least another 10 feet per second.
On a corner.
18 Mar 2010, 15:02 pm
@gunther:
That was ketamine though…
…and didn’t J9 claim that “the man in the video/mirror” had a much bigger tool than him?
18 Mar 2010, 15:02 pm
Tacitus has gone very quiet… He’s probably trawling the web, compiling another list of impressive facts.
18 Mar 2010, 15:03 pm
the last 20 posts or so on this thread are the reason why I come here everyday, its a nice reminder not to take life too seriously, thanks for the humour okes….
18 Mar 2010, 15:04 pm
4thwiseman
Jub jub is in his puss puss…
He will be begging to stay in jail jail …
18 Mar 2010, 15:05 pm
@Vetkoek:
There are just so many variables here…such as whether the drug dealer had been sniffing his profit or not, what kind of tyres were being used, what brand of oil was in the engine…we will just never know…
18 Mar 2010, 15:06 pm
@XhosaKid:
Humour? Who’s joking?
18 Mar 2010, 15:07 pm
Question :
Who is the biggest d00s :
a) Luke Watson
b) Julius Malema
c) Peter De Villiers
tuff question ….
18 Mar 2010, 15:08 pm
Aggg wptid they all say that..
Where’s the shame in a little coke.. Ketamine is so trailer park…
As for tool size .. They always say the camera adds 10 pounds…
18 Mar 2010, 15:09 pm
@WP Till I Die: If the taxi was using a steering wheel or spanner, if he was engaged in a turf war while racing Nokwe
18 Mar 2010, 15:10 pm
@Springb0ksarah:
That’s easy…
b, then a and c I don’t realy rate as one…
18 Mar 2010, 15:10 pm
@Springb0ksarah: d) the doosometer readings are off the scale?
18 Mar 2010, 15:12 pm
Shame, it has not been Comrade Jub Jub’s year. First he has to leave Celebrity Survivor because his **** was rotting. Then he gets a Mini.
Then he decides to mix cocaine, morphine and alcohol (perhaps the pain from the coral infection was still too much to bear?).
Nothing like some MiniManslaughter.
18 Mar 2010, 15:12 pm
wow wee, but these stormers people know how to chirp.
75-14
did alot of chriping before that game as well….
18 Mar 2010, 15:13 pm
@Blouste: Ahh, my silliness, it isn’t the real Springboksarah. How mischievous of who ever that is.
18 Mar 2010, 15:14 pm
i once ran the bath in 13.5 sec. admittedly it was a small bath.
seriously, who gives a fat, flying, continental f@ck?
18 Mar 2010, 15:15 pm
@Springb0ksarah: is your life really that pathetic that you feel the need to do a bad impression of a 16 year old girl? Act your age not your shoe size
18 Mar 2010, 15:15 pm
@Springb0ksarah: 349
Jub Jub
18 Mar 2010, 15:15 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
Aah….I see.
Must admit, thought that to be a strange post from her…
18 Mar 2010, 15:16 pm
sarah, i hate malema ..but that one has to go to Luke
18 Mar 2010, 15:16 pm
@the peanut gallery:
I once ran my mouth in two seconds…
18 Mar 2010, 15:17 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl: Ya, I’m sure you still miss the vintage Bulls side with Casper Steyn, Draadkar De Lange and Jannie Brooks, the lions can stay hopeful, its been done before
18 Mar 2010, 15:19 pm
@Blouste: Had me confused also.
@XhosaKid: Don’t insult the quality of Hakkies Husselman, passing to Casper Steyn, with a switch to Marius Goosen.
18 Mar 2010, 15:19 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Oh my fakeness, it was a nick stealer. Seriously, that just seems like too much PT, to nick a nick.
18 Mar 2010, 15:20 pm
@WP Till I Die: you’re way behind these ejits in the mouth running stakes.
18 Mar 2010, 15:22 pm
Can anyone tell me what’s going on (if anything) at the johannesburg athletics stadium….
is that a pointer of what’s gonna happen to all the pink elephants we’ve build for the SWC?
hope not…
18 Mar 2010, 15:22 pm
Oh Im such a sad person my life’s joy involves trying to mimic people on a stupid rugby blog including a 16 year old girl.
Shame do you still live with your mommy too?
18 Mar 2010, 15:23 pm
@4thWiseMan: no **** sherlock… Would you like a gold sticker?
18 Mar 2010, 15:24 pm
@Wikus van der Merwe:
Surely you mean “white” elephant? Oh snap, wait, is that a racial slur? :-S
I can’t keep up anymore
18 Mar 2010, 15:24 pm
@Blouste:
Good answer Blouste!!!
18 Mar 2010, 15:26 pm
i see Shaun is banned…. yippee!!!
18 Mar 2010, 15:26 pm
I’m a bit of a “numbers” person, and I pay attention to those sort of statistics where I come across them. Tacitus may be correct in that his boy may have have the fastest ever recorded time over a specific distance. I don’t know.
I remember reading that at one time at a Springbok training camp, that they had timed the players and Andre Snyman was the fastest over 40m with Breyton (who would’ve thought) fastest over 100m. This was reported in the Cape Times.
The point that I’m getting to, is that it is likely that there will always be a “fastest” label out there. I remember a time when people were saying that Justin Swart was the quickest guy in rugby boots.
Anyway, what’s important to note is that times and statistics given under practice conditions do not always translate on the field. I remember talking to an ex Springbok loose forward about the bench press statistics of another player which were quite impressive. He then said to me, “yes, but he’s not very strong on the field”. What he meant was that the guy often got muscled off the ball, and wasn’t able to physically impose himself on the game despite being very strong in the gym.
Now this is true of backline players as well. The pace doesn’t always translate to actual performance. I’d be in favour of a speed gun-type of measuring where they can “clock” the speeds of runners. That would make for very interresting viewing. It may be that the youngster is the quickest oke out there. I’d be inclined to believe Tacitus’ assertions.
The thing is, wingers don’t just run once. They run the whole game, move after move and the one move that puts them in the gap is what counts. Then you have to have the pace to beat your opponant. In the same way that olympic sprinters have a “range” within which they run consistant times, wings will also have this range. Doesn’t mean they’ll always run their personal best. Gerhard has had enough gas in the tank when it mattered a few times this year, but then so has Brian Habanna. That’s all that counts. Which one of the 2 is the better wing? I don’t think there’s a debate. Nokwe is faster than Brian? Maybe. Does he beat his man more often? Nope. Not even close.
So in closing, times and statistics do give the person bragging rights, and it’s a good place to start, but it’s not the whole picture. Maybe this youngster will grow to be the best, and great if he does, I’d be cheering him on. But he has to still get there. He is fast though.
18 Mar 2010, 15:27 pm
@SpringbokSarah: I think you should take it as a compliment – the mysterious nickname stealer must consider you to be a bigwig in the world which is Keo. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
18 Mar 2010, 15:27 pm
@Luke_Twatson: i am like so friggen happy for you like you wont believe!
18 Mar 2010, 15:29 pm
springbok …. wees so dat mense van jou kan hou
18 Mar 2010, 15:32 pm
@WOLFMAN21: roflmao! Keo is just a rugby blog… I am not a big anything… And its only a compliment when its done well. Cant believe this oke had you going. His tone is nothing like mine.
18 Mar 2010, 15:33 pm
@SpringbokSarah: 369
Oi, aim your animosity in the direction of the nick stealer! :-p
Or Tacitus
18 Mar 2010, 15:34 pm
@WOLFMAN21: I’m convinced the Bulls ‘borrowing’ the Stormers blueprint is the sincerest form of flattery
18 Mar 2010, 15:35 pm
Tac must be happy, a Bulls thread is going to hit 400, 13 to go, kom manne, lets make Tac proud….
18 Mar 2010, 15:36 pm
I do know one thing that is a fact:
Gerhard van den Heever is faster than Tacitus.
18 Mar 2010, 15:37 pm
@XhosaKid:
400 – 380 = 20 left…
Just a thought
18 Mar 2010, 15:37 pm
Let me help out here, being a former athlete.
That time of Gerhard Van den Heever, falls under U/20, because that’s junior, 19 years and younger.
Van der Vyver’s time falls under U/18, 17 years and younger. Hence the different hurdle heights.
You will see that all over the world the times for U/18 is much quicker than the U/20 times, especially for the guys in their first year in the U/20 category.
Now you will say ‘But it’s U/19 if you are 19 or younger’. You would then be half right. The international standard for e.g. U/20 is 19 and younger, while in SA for some reason, U/19 is 19 and younger. So while both times are in different categories, one is a record and one isn’t.
Well, actually Gerhard’s time is some record, but it’s not the SA U/20 All-Time record. It IS, though, the SA Junior Championships record, as he set it when he won the SA National Junior title in 2007.
Hence not the fastest ever in SA at that age, but the fastest ever at the SA Junior Championships.
So Tacitus, you were right for the most part.
18 Mar 2010, 15:37 pm
@4thWiseMan: lol rather upset that you saw you thought it was me
18 Mar 2010, 15:39 pm
@WP Till I Die: Not faster at finding online stats about the speeds of players!
18 Mar 2010, 15:40 pm
@Javelin:
What kind of athlete were you – a javelin-thrower?
18 Mar 2010, 15:41 pm
@Storm outta hell: It is, but then the Stormers did borrow it from the Cheetahs! Ergo, it is the sincerest form of flattery towards the Cheetahs, which I am fine with!
18 Mar 2010, 15:42 pm
380 + 13 = 400?? Is Xhosakid = malema??
18 Mar 2010, 15:42 pm
@Javelin:
Thanks for clearing that up…
18 Mar 2010, 15:42 pm
@WOLFMAN21: if it makes you feel better I was confused when I logged on
18 Mar 2010, 15:42 pm
Why is everyone so hyper today.
18 Mar 2010, 15:42 pm
@WP Till I Die:
bwahahahahahaha
Dude, Eddie Andrews is faster than Tacticus!!
18 Mar 2010, 15:44 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
Yip…Stormers got it from Cheetahs…
Cheetahs were beaten by BULLS already…
So blueprint from …yes…BULSS originally
18 Mar 2010, 15:45 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Keo is like a online world – with different personalities and politics, and people fighting for power – a little strange, but addictive!
It must have been freaky for you – why am I posting stuff without posting stuff?!
18 Mar 2010, 15:45 pm
Roy messes around with banning people instead of klapping nic stealers
Time for a visit to the Keo headquarters
18 Mar 2010, 15:45 pm
@Dawn: I had 3 brownies
18 Mar 2010, 15:46 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Dude, c’mon, I’m multitasking here. Not easy for a guy, lol. And that 0 is pret-ty close to an O, if you’re not covertly trained in the art of spotting nick-thieves
18 Mar 2010, 15:46 pm
So what have we learned from this? There is no stealing Sarah’s nic
18 Mar 2010, 15:46 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
sp0tted it immediately…
guys…
when any0ne says s0mething 0ut 0f character and c0ntr0versial y0u can see the n0ughts have been changed to zer0s… and if you reply t0 it… the name g0es int0 l0wer case and the zer0 sticks 0ut like a n0ught…!!
sarah… c0ngratulati0ns…!! y0u have graduated t0 the big time…!! when they rip 0ff y0ur nic… y0u kn0w they take y0u seri0usly!!
18 Mar 2010, 15:46 pm
@WP Till I Die:
How did you guess?
18 Mar 2010, 15:47 pm
@Blouste: Lol! History is written by the winners!
I like your way of arguing, I am sticking with that idea!
18 Mar 2010, 15:48 pm
@Dawn:
yeah Dawnie…
I thought Roy assured us he had stopped ALL nic-stealing a few months back…???
18 Mar 2010, 15:48 pm
Yes, I taught Julius everything I know, which why he is what he is, it wasn’t much, carpentry wasn’t my strongest subject
7 to go
18 Mar 2010, 15:48 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Uhmmm, your nick was definitely nicked – take a peek at post 349. It clearly has a ZERO instead of an O in there – compare 0O.
18 Mar 2010, 15:48 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
It would be a lot cooler though if it was like “The Highlander” – if you could somehow challenge a fellow blogger to single combat and then virtually behead him and have a Quickening, where you gain his power and knowledge.
18 Mar 2010, 15:49 pm
@Dawn: 391
My sugar high may have something to do with these apple and banana marshmallows I’m popping
The energy will come in handy at training later though. God knows I need it…
18 Mar 2010, 15:49 pm
The Bulls dont need our blueprint!
18 Mar 2010, 15:51 pm
Shaun was banned because every posting was racist … thats just fair… he was warned . F&ck ..I hate that guy, more than puke twatson!!
18 Mar 2010, 15:51 pm
@WP Till I Die:
Keo: “There Can Be Only One!”
18 Mar 2010, 15:51 pm
@WP Till I Die: @405
Yes ,but in some instances you might end up with less than you started out with…
18 Mar 2010, 15:52 pm
@WOLFMAN21: keo is just a rugby blog, some people take it too far (hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink)
I was thinking wth, when did I bad mouth Luke? And since when do I post about Malema?… which reminds me
If Zuma and Malema were drowning and you had to choose, would you go for lunch or to a movie?
@Dawn: Ja tell him Dawn!
@4thWiseMan: AND my name is spelled SpringbokSarah… capital S’s… his was spelled Springb0ksarah… come on I recognized grant1O in a second (as opposed to grant10)
18 Mar 2010, 15:52 pm
@WP Till I Die: Yeah that would by good. I’d take on Tacticus first, so that I can be the best with the sprint times of players, then probably TheTackler, but I would use his power of annoyance and obnoxiousness for good rather than evil.
18 Mar 2010, 15:52 pm
@Luke_Twatson:
Wow, you hate a lot of people.
18 Mar 2010, 15:52 pm
@WP Till I Die:
Dude, you are seriously funny!!! LMAO
‘Javelin thrower’ bwhahahahaha
18 Mar 2010, 15:53 pm
This Shaun guy that was banned… Is it the selfsame person as “The Almighty Shaun”?
18 Mar 2010, 15:54 pm
@Javelin: but we have learned that you can’t replace my space… come on, when would I ever slam Luke? Or talk about P Divvy in the S14… we have much more important matters to talk about
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
the one and only 4thwiseman
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
@WP Till I Die: no… what gave you that idea
@4thWiseMan: yup
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Ya ya ya ya… Clearly you’re an old hand at this :p
I’m a nOOb. Or is it n00b? Or noob?
Fawk.
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
he wasn’t so mighty afterall ….
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
@SpringbokSarah: What? Keo isn’t only a rugby blog! you heretic. (they should have a sarcastic smiley)
The only reason you noticed Grant1O is because he wasn’t posting something about Smitty!
@WP_: Blouste and I have already explained, it is actually the Bulls own blueprint which we are taking back from you after you had borrowed it from the Cheetahs. Its a pleasure!
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
@4thWiseMan:
Yes, but apparently you only have to change your nick to be “un-banned” these days…
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
And dudes, for future reference my name is a hyperlink to my twitter page
18 Mar 2010, 15:58 pm
sarah are you related to Derick Hougaard? or is he from another “boom”stam?
18 Mar 2010, 15:58 pm
@4thWiseMan:
Are you fit like Gabriel Aubry?
18 Mar 2010, 15:58 pm
@4thWiseMan: I am not old… only about 2 years hear… may be slightly more
@WOLFMAN21: romflmao!… actually he was!
@Blouste: well I’ll bare that in mind if they ever decided that they’ve had enough of me
18 Mar 2010, 15:58 pm
@Luke_Twatson:
Funny that… I’ve seen much worse and more racially profiled comments from some of the other posters on here.
18 Mar 2010, 15:58 pm
@WP_:
Well thank you then…
18 Mar 2010, 15:59 pm
@Luke_Twatson: Im not a Hougaard or a Bull… are you related to Pietman or GBS?
18 Mar 2010, 16:00 pm
4th …. i think its because he went too far lastnight … go have a look .. i think its on the “Saru financials” thread
18 Mar 2010, 16:00 pm
no sarah, i don’t rook boom
18 Mar 2010, 16:01 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Hey Sarah!! I hope you don’t mind I stole your joke and posted it as my FB status!!
The one about Zuma and Malema drowning!!!
18 Mar 2010, 16:01 pm
@Dawn: 425
OK, had to Google that…
My answer would have to be an emphatic no. Next question?
18 Mar 2010, 16:01 pm
@Luke_Twatson: I don’t get it?
18 Mar 2010, 16:03 pm
@wpw: hey, nope don’t mind at all… let me know what they say
18 Mar 2010, 16:03 pm
sarah ..you wouldn’t your 16 …. its a bit of “woord speeling” on you last name
18 Mar 2010, 16:03 pm
@Blouste: My pleasure!
No but seriously, if the Bulls just stick to what they are doing, and tweak their defene slightly they’ll be too good for nearly all the side in this comp. Nearly all, wont say all…
18 Mar 2010, 16:04 pm
@Luke_Twatson: but why would you smoke me or a tree?
18 Mar 2010, 16:05 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Do you enjoy Twitter? I have been wondering if I should open an account. What do you get out of it?
18 Mar 2010, 16:06 pm
@4thWiseMan:
Do you remotely look like him?
18 Mar 2010, 16:06 pm
@WOLFMAN21: No worries mate!
18 Mar 2010, 16:06 pm
springbok …. “boom” = dagga … if you rook boom, you rook dagga
18 Mar 2010, 16:06 pm
@WOLFMAN21: not much, but I’m 16, I follow celebs and rugby players
18 Mar 2010, 16:06 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Boom is Afrikaans for dagga/pot.
18 Mar 2010, 16:07 pm
@SpringbokSarah: 438
He’s referring to weeeeed… You know, the mountain cabbage that all other South Africans like to accuse us Capetonians of constantly smoking.
Personally, I take offense to that…
Damn, these marshmallows are AWESOME! Everything tastes so much better when you have the munchies…
18 Mar 2010, 16:08 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
It’s about the “boom” in your surname…
Don’t worry lady…
@WP_:
Thanks, yeah, I hope they can up their defence, said they will this weekend, we’ll see.
Still a long way out though, but hell it’s a great start.
Then your team are in 2nd hey…Congrats !!!
18 Mar 2010, 16:08 pm
@Luke_Twatson: oh my bad… sorry never even seen drugs so it’s a little out of my space
18 Mar 2010, 16:10 pm
@Dawn:
HAHA, if I looked anything like him, I would be cashing in on my looks, instead of chipping away at the 9-5 grindstone
I have plenty of virtues, but a male model I am not.
“frequently listed on People Magazine’s Most Beautiful People List…” Sheesh.
18 Mar 2010, 16:11 pm
@WOLFMAN21 & @4thWiseMan & @Blouste: lol don’t worry I get it now
18 Mar 2010, 16:12 pm
16 year olds not having seen drugs? I thought all teenagers where *** addicted, drug taking delinquents.
Oprah lied – there is some hope for the world!
18 Mar 2010, 16:12 pm
450?
18 Mar 2010, 16:13 pm
Hmmm, guess not…
18 Mar 2010, 16:14 pm
wolfman21 … only in JHB
18 Mar 2010, 16:14 pm
@Luke_Twatson:
Common.
(Scrap that. Kommen!)
18 Mar 2010, 16:14 pm
450
18 Mar 2010, 16:14 pm
ja down
18 Mar 2010, 16:15 pm
@WOLFMAN21: Never seen drugs, can’t tell you what weed look like, still a virgin and I’ve never even had detention
18 Mar 2010, 16:16 pm
@Blouste: Thanks.
Very proud to see two SA teams 1 and 2. Very proud..
Got to keep it going, keep the cons and kiwi’s at bay.
Like you said, still very early but great starts, looking very good…
Stormers dont have the toughest tour draw either, and the Bulls should be fine away from home playing the same sides too I think..
Force should be beaten, Reds too (even though their looking good this year) Blues are beatable at home for sure and the Chiefs are inconsistent. Win 3 of the 4 and your all set
If the tours go well it’s down hill all the way to the end and hopefully semi’s…
18 Mar 2010, 16:16 pm
springbok, yet you raid John Smit’s book signing with your “I love Luke Watson T’shirt”
18 Mar 2010, 16:18 pm
@Luke_Twatson: oh am I springbok!? My bad
Team Watson, and John was fine with it, even chatted afterwards… wanna see the pic?
18 Mar 2010, 16:18 pm
@SpringbokSarah: @457
You doing hoome schooling:?:
Just kidding…:lol:
Could’nt help myself, but good on you!!!
18 Mar 2010, 16:19 pm
hoome = home
18 Mar 2010, 16:20 pm
@Blouste: no worse… private schooling
But have “friends” who’ve done whatever, but it just doesn’t interest me… kind of like Maths and Physics…
18 Mar 2010, 16:21 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Not a bad place to be at.
Just get a detention sometime for something worthwhile, you need to stick it to authority sometime, and school is pretty miserable.
18 Mar 2010, 16:22 pm
@Blouste: I see you did home schooling!
18 Mar 2010, 16:23 pm
@WOLFMAN21: I do. My principle left! he couldn’t handle me… he said I wrote too many petitions and called the governing board too much… and I was turning 12 at that point
18 Mar 2010, 16:23 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
18 Mar 2010, 16:24 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Nothing quite as intimidating as a 12 year old girl!
18 Mar 2010, 16:24 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Stick to maths and yes,get at least one detention at some stage….what will you tell your grandchildren one day
18 Mar 2010, 16:25 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
18 Mar 2010, 16:26 pm
@WOLFMAN21: roflmao! My dad just laughed when he wrote that in my end of year report
@Blouste: I scared the Springbok coach when I was 15
18 Mar 2010, 16:28 pm
Quick q… where is Elgin?
18 Mar 2010, 16:29 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Suppose that’s a start
18 Mar 2010, 16:30 pm
News24
Jub Jub protester killed by truck …. oooh the irony
18 Mar 2010, 16:30 pm
Aren’t you lot supposed to be at work???
18 Mar 2010, 16:30 pm
@SpringbokSarah: I don’t think my dad ever laughed at my end of year report.
Elgin is close to Grabouw I think.
18 Mar 2010, 16:31 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Work is for the employed.
18 Mar 2010, 16:31 pm
@Blouste: lol my grandparent get a kick out of it now
@Luke_Twatson: I don’t know if I’m allowed to laugh?
18 Mar 2010, 16:32 pm
@Luke_Twatson:
You’ve got to be kidding me…
@WOLFMAN21: @477
Hell yeah..
18 Mar 2010, 16:33 pm
@Luke_Twatson: News 24 – the best bad news sight around!
unless you are a Bull or Stormer checking the rugby scores.
18 Mar 2010, 16:34 pm
springboksarah … its just not right to laugh
18 Mar 2010, 16:35 pm
Ok ..I’m out.
Keep well everyone, laat dit goed gaan
18 Mar 2010, 16:36 pm
@WOLFMAN21: lol the marks were fine, the headmaster’s comment was amusing
“While Sarah remains a diligent student she continues to concern herself with issues well beyond her years. I feel her flare for writing could be put to better use than composing petitions”
@WOLFMAN21: agh shame man, let’s go job hunting together in the July holidays
18 Mar 2010, 16:38 pm
@Luke_Twatson: ja it’s mean… but come on, the irony is insane!
@Blouste: cheers
18 Mar 2010, 16:38 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
We are working.
It’s just you and the great unwashed here.
18 Mar 2010, 16:39 pm
@SpringbokSarah: lol, that is funny! Stirred with a revolutionary zeal at a young age – impressive!
I am a student with a part time job, so I was being a bit obnoxious with my comment! Get to make my own hours essentially.
18 Mar 2010, 16:40 pm
@Dawn: lol shame man
18 Mar 2010, 16:42 pm
@WOLFMAN21: ja I think that was the year I decided I wanted to be a lawyer too
unfairness… can I tag along with you then?
18 Mar 2010, 16:42 pm
dawn
Speak for yourself I am very fragrant today..
18 Mar 2010, 16:43 pm
“Please be patient… this application is gathering your recent status updates to make a Word Cloud. It usually takes 1-2 minutes. If there are any problems, please Contact Us. Why don’t you hum a little song to yourself to pass the time…”
classic… FB is awesome
18 Mar 2010, 16:44 pm
@gunther:
18 Mar 2010, 16:44 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Its all fun and games until I realise I actually have to finish my damn thesis!
18 Mar 2010, 16:45 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Sarah so are you busy with your political studies today or is it more like physiology of Flo, Joe and Peter
18 Mar 2010, 16:45 pm
@gunther:
Make yourself scarce.
These two want to be alone!
18 Mar 2010, 16:46 pm
@Karen: Politics of Keo 101, followed by Sports Science of the Stormers back line 201
18 Mar 2010, 16:48 pm
@WOLFMAN21: So true
Sarah what is the biceps measurements of Flo and the rest – please please pretty please 
18 Mar 2010, 16:57 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
@Karen: today? I can be honest and say except for debating with my Cheetahs supporting business studies teacher, I did absolutely nothing
@Dawn: lol, no don’t go
@Karen: I’ve already asked what shoe sizes they are… not about to ask them how big their muscles are!
18 Mar 2010, 16:59 pm
@SpringbokSarah: lol should read honestly not honest
18 Mar 2010, 17:03 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Hahaha just checking that all your homework will be done by Saturday
Why ask them – take a measuring tape and measure it roflmao
18 Mar 2010, 17:08 pm
@ufo: lol just saw this now… do I give a thank you speech Oscar style?
18 Mar 2010, 17:08 pm
@Karen: I know a guy who had the measurement of his biceps tattooed on them. He is a strange person.
18 Mar 2010, 17:10 pm
@WOLFMAN21: Hahahaha well I hope his biceps was a decent measurement
18 Mar 2010, 17:10 pm
@Karen: ja because that won’t be weird at all…
Term 1 is actually done for me! Business outing for the whole day tomorrow! And then public holiday… and then camp
18 Mar 2010, 17:12 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Avoid those dudes who take booze on the school camp – got myself a week of detention once by hanging out with those types.
18 Mar 2010, 17:13 pm
@WOLFMAN21: what? To prove when they deflated that they were once upon a time awesome?
18 Mar 2010, 17:13 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Hey lucky you – well a long weekend coming up which is cool. I think I need to go back to school to get holidays
Business outing – mmmmm ok who are you targeting tomorrow (just kidding).
18 Mar 2010, 17:14 pm
@WOLFMAN21: what part of private school do you not understand?
18 Mar 2010, 17:15 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Well here are quite a few bloggers who would probably tattoo their IQ’s on their foreheads but the only problem is it would be a 1 digit number
18 Mar 2010, 17:16 pm
@Karen: roflmao! who would I target?
18 Mar 2010, 17:16 pm
@WOLFMAN21: You rebel you
18 Mar 2010, 17:16 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Yeah fair enough, I went to a state school in da ghetto, so there were all types of misfits around to negatively influence me!
18 Mar 2010, 17:16 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Hahaha hey you have the little black book lol
18 Mar 2010, 17:18 pm
@Karen: Sad thing is I didn’t even have a sip of the alcohol which got me in trouble! I did consider wearing a “Justice 4 Wolfman” armband like the Spingboks, but that didn’t seem to help them, so I doubt it would have helped me!
18 Mar 2010, 17:19 pm
@Karen: roflmao!
@WOLFMAN21: neh don’t have that kind of issue at school… they’re just weird
@Karen: lol and who’s name is at the top of the 1st page?
18 Mar 2010, 17:22 pm
@WOLFMAN21: Lol
@SPRINGBOKSARAH – I think he is running around outside the borders of SA
18 Mar 2010, 17:23 pm
@Karen: who? Luke? Why would he be on my hit list?
18 Mar 2010, 17:23 pm
@Karen: Is that filed under W or L?
18 Mar 2010, 17:25 pm
@SpringbokSarah: You have a hit list and then you have a hit list – a nice hit list of people you want and then the evil one – the people you want to wipe off the face of the earth lol
@Wolfman21 – Geez Sarah would know under what he is filed – I think at the moment he is filed from A to Z
18 Mar 2010, 17:27 pm
@Karen: roflmao! No, Luke’s not on any list… but he’s coming back (FOR A HOLIDAY) in May which I’m totally excited for
18 Mar 2010, 17:29 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Hahahaha and I can believe you are excited. Well I am out of here until later. Have a fabulous evening
18 Mar 2010, 17:30 pm
@Karen: you too
Actually Wolf21 I need to get going too… nice chatting to you
18 Mar 2010, 21:17 pm
Provvas
in fact, Jeff Wilsons favourite & best sport was neither rugby nor cricket nor athletics, despite National honours for all if them. He was a sensational basketballer, play for NZ u20s as a 15/16yr old, and stated it as his favourite game. It was his biggest regret giving it up to concentrate on rugby & cricket. He singlehandedly beat Aus in a ODI as an 18yr old at Seddon Park (I was there), unbelievable !
The other young Kiwi speed merchant was, of course, Jonah Lomu. He recorded 10.85secs for the 100m as a 17yr old. Legend has it that was also bare feet, but Im not sure of that. Dont forget that by that age he was also 6’5″ and 18st !
But I can confirm his allround athletic prowess
as he competed at my local athletics club and
was the NZ Schools Decathlon Champion. In fact he was so good that rugby took a back seat at that time, we had high hopes he would make it to the Olympics. The crazy thing was his size/muscle bulk should have negated his performance, for eg the High Jump, but he just made it look so easy. Scary mo fo…..
19 Mar 2010, 08:13 am
Can someone help me with something. Is Juandre Kruger a Victor or a Bakkies or a Bekker(combination of both)?
19 Mar 2010, 11:56 am
Its one thing to run fast on a tarck and a completly different thing to run fast on a rugby field with a rugby ball in your hand.
Stats are just that stats , according to stats this year Doppies Le Grange is the best centre in the S14 , Luke Watson would have been the best loosie by a country mile for the last few seasons etc etc.
Van De Heever is fast no doubt , he scored a good try against the front row last week but he aint no Habana. End of story.
19 Mar 2010, 11:57 am
@iori Yagami: I think he is more of a Juandre Kruger……….:)
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