Super 14 preview: Round 6
18 Mar 2010
Jon Cardinelli and Ryan Vrede analyse the key match-ups and pick the winners at the weekend.
Six from six is cause for celebration, but surely most of you readers would have made the same calls ahead of round five. This week witnesses some spicier match-ups with a couple of teams needing wins at the end of their respective tours.
The Sharks are still searching for a win, and according to Vrede, the search will continue following yet another disappointment at the House of Pain. JC feels the Highlanders will succumb to the Sharks, but there’s an agreement concerning the fate of the Lions in Christchurch.
The Hurricanes will finish their South African tour with a defeat at Loftus as the Bulls extend their lead at the top of the log (with a game in hand to boot). The Stormers will stay in the top four with a convincing win over the Cheetahs while the Brumbies will inflict more woe on the Blues in Auckland.
KEO.CO.ZA SUCCESS RATE
Vrede: 25/33 (76%)
JC: 24/33 (73%)
Round 5
Vrede: 6/6
JC: 6/6
Round 4
Vrede: 4/6
JC: 4/6
Round 3
Vrede: 4/7
JC: 4/7
Round 2
Vrede: 6/7
JC: 5/7
Round 1
Vrede: 5/7
JC: 5/7
BLUES vs BRUMBIES, AUCKLAND, FRIDAY, 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: Once a fortress, Eden Park has lost it’s aura and a highly efficient Brumbies side will ensure Keven Mealamu’s 100th Super Rugby appearance isn’t a memorable one. The Canberra franchise wasn’t at their best against the Sharks last week, but they’ll be superior in the facets of play that matter in Auckland – the collisions on attack and defence. Expect them to stifle the Blues’ attacking flow by ensuring a slow recycle, thereby nullifying their dangerous outside backs. They won’t feed them with attacking opportunities from broken field either, and will have the upper hand at the set phases. Brumbies by 7
JC’S CALL: The Brumbies are yet to produce a convincing performance, but ugly wins over strong opposition can’t be sneered at (read Stormers and Sharks, not Lions). They have the structure and forward might to unsettle the Blues, and the versatility out wide to adapt to a fast- or slow-paced game. The Aussies won’t play too loose, however, as this will bring the dangerous Blues backs into the equation. The Brumbies have shown an appreciation for territory in the initial rounds, and will have the better of the Blues in the kicking department. The Blues have a dangerous back three, but if Matt Giteau and company are accurate, Isaia Toeava, Joe Rokocoko and Rudi Wulf will be limited. Brumbies by 10
Blues – 15 Isaia Toeava, 14 Joe Rokocoko, 13 Rene Ranger, 12 Benson Stanley, 11 Rudi Wulf, 10 Stephen Brett, 9 Alby Mathewson, 8 Viliami Ma’afu, 7 Serge Lilo, 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Anthony Boric, 4 Kurtis Haiu, 3 John Afoa, 2 Keven Mealamu (c), 1 Tony Woodcock.
Subs: 16 Tom McCartney, 17 Charlie Faumuina, 18 Filo Paulo, 19 Peter Saili, 20 Chris Smylie, 21 Daniel Kirkpatrick, 22 Paul Williams.
Brumbies – 15 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 14 Pat McCabe, 13 Tyrone Smith, 12 Christian Lealiifano, 11 Francis Fainifo, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Josh Valentine, 8 Stephen Hoiles (C), 7 George Smith, 6 Rocky Elsom, 5 Mark Chisholm, 4 Ben Hand, 3 Salesi Maafu, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Ben Alexander.
Subs: 16 Huia Edmonds, 17 Jerry Yanuyanutawa, 18 Justin Harrison, 19 Mitchell Chapman, 20 Patrick Phibbs, 21 Matt Toomua, 22 Andrew Smith.
BULLS vs HURRICANES, PRETORIA, FRIDAY 19:10
VREDE’S CALL: When you’re battling for a win in the Republic, Loftus is the last place you want to go. The Canes will become the Bulls’ 15th consecutive victim at home, and where Mealamu’s century will be a forgettable affair, Victor Matfield’s 100th will be celebrated with the intensity befitting a significant milestone. The Bulls will model their challenge on the formula that worked for the Stormers last week – a strong tackle fight marked by double hits – in an attempt to cut the supply of quick ball to their back division. The Bulls’ leaky defence has been a talking point, but expect them to remedy their failings in this regard. That improvement combined with the attacking prowess they’ve displayed will amplify their threat. Deon Stegmann’s return strengthens the Bulls and given their vast improvement at scrum time, there really isn’t any area the Canes can dominate. The loss of Cory Jane and the axing of Piri Weepu affects the level of experience in the Canes’ run-on side, and Loftus is not a place you want to take rookies to. Two years ago, the Canes whipped the Bulls 50-22 at Loftus. Do be surprised if there is a reverse of that magnitude on Friday. Bulls by 20
JC’S CALL: The Hurricanes’ All Blacks have enjoyed a good South African holiday to date, and I suspect the thought of a realistic return to the competition is still one week off. Saturday will witness a token effort from the Canes as they look to live with the Bulls physically, but fail to demonstrate the necessary control and direction needed to win big games. Ma’a Nonu is a good example of ‘domkrag’, but your backline players are likely to vent their frustrations when their attacking space is cut down. This Bulls’ defence needs to shape up, but their attack should take advantage of a frail Canes’ tackle line. The tourists’ poor discipline should also allow Morne Steyn to build a buffer between the two teams, and as seen in their previous four matches, four-try bonuses are the norm. Bulls by 12
Bulls – 15 Zane Kirchner; 14 Gerhard van der Heever, 13 Stephan Dippenaar, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Francois Hougaard; 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez; 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Dewald Potgieter, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Gary Botha, 1 Gurthrö Steenkamp.
Subs: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Bees Roux/Rossouw de Klerk, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Derick Kuün, 20 Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 21 Jaco van der Westhuyzen, 22 Pedrie Wannenburg.
Hurricanes – 15 Andre Taylor, 14 Tamati Ellison, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Alapati Leiua, 10 Willie Ripia, 9 Tyson Keats, 8 Rodney So’oialo, 7 Karl Lowe, 6 Victor Vito, 5 Michael Paterson, 4 Jeremy Thrush, 3 Neemia Tialata, 2 Andrew Hore (c), 1 John Schwalger.
Subs: 16 Dane Coles, 17 Jacob Ellison, 18 Bryn Evans, 19 Nick Crosswell, 20 Piri Weepu, 21 Aaron Cruden, 22 David Smith.
CRUSADERS vs LIONS, CHRISTCHURCH, SATURDAY 06:30
VREDE’S CALL: Dick Muir’s misguided minstrels have played horribly out of tune to date, and don’t expect them to make sweet music in Christchurch. The Crusaders feel it’s unnecessary to roll out their prized asset, Dan Carter (among others), for this match, and while they’ve offered rhetoric stressing this is no sign of disrespect, the implied message to the Lions is that they don’t register as a threat. And why should they be paid respect? Tactically they’re naive – the fault of their coaching staff – and the majority of their players are inept. The Saders will exploit these deficiencies, capitalising on their misplaced all-out-attack, and illuminate the inferiority of their opponents across all facets of play. Six from six for the lame Lions, I’m afraid. Crusaders by 15
JC’S CALL: There’s no point predicting a scoreline when a game features the most unpredictable team in the competition. The only given is the Lions will lose and, to add further insult, against a Saders’ team sans Carter, Andy Ellis and Brad Thorn. Will the Lions’ scrum improve? Will they manage to keep the Saders to less than four tries? Will Earl Rose manage to inspire the quickly inspired with a one dimensional sidestep? Can they get worse than a 70-point defeat? Who knows how it will transpire when Muir’s circus comes to town? The only certainty is the result even though the hosts are missing some big names. Lions (to lose) by plenty
Crusaders – 15 Jared Payne, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Adam Whitelock, 12 Ryan Crotty, 11 Zac Guildford, 10 Colin Slade, 9 Kahn Fotuali’i, 8 Thomas Waldrom, 7 Jonathan Poff, 6 Richie McCaw (c), 5 Isaac Ross, 4 Sam Whitelock, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Ti’i Paulo, 1 Ben Franks.
Subs: 16 Corey Flynn, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Chris Jack, 19 George Whitelock, 20 Willi Heinz, 21 Dan Carter, 22 Robbie Fruean.
Lions – 15 Earl Rose, 14 Wigan Pekeur, 13 Walter Venter, 12 Doppies la Grange, 11 Wandile Mjekevu, 10 Burton Francis, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Todd Clever, 7 Derick Minnie, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar (c), 5 Franco van der Merwe, 4 George Earle, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg.
Subs: 16 Charles Emslie, 17 Heinke van der Merwe, 18 Willem Stoltz, 19 Robert Kruger/Jacques Lombaard, 20 Jacques Coetzee, 21 Carlos Spencer, 22 Michael Killian.
HIGHLANDERS vs SHARKS, DUNEDIN, SATURDAY 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: If coach John Plumtree hadn’t tinkered with the side that lost narrowly to the Brumbies, I would have called a Sharks win. But given that he has made five changes, one of those being the axing of captain John Smit, I’m inclined to think the Landers will sneak this one. In testing times, it seems absurd to rotate when your side is showing signs of improvement. That Plumtree has axed the world’s most experienced Test captain is equally perplexing. The hosts are strengthened by the return of Jimmy Cowan; while Adam Thomson and Michael Hobbs have stayed out of trouble long enough to be selected (rumour has it their axing last week owed to their stumbling out of a Cape Town ‘club’ frequented mostly by lycra-clad eastern European ladies at 3am). The trio’s return, combined with the galvanising effect of returning home after a torturous tour, and the fact that the Sharks players have one foot on the plane back to SA, will contribute to the hosts taking the points. Technically there’s little to choose between the sides, although the Sharks should have the ascendancy at lineout time. That won’t be enough, and they’ll go down. Highlanders by 5
JC’S CALL: Finally, something we can disagree on. The Sharks are battling for results, but there’s no way they’ve sunk to the point where the bottom-feeding Highlanders, who are returning from a South African tour, are favourites to win. The Landers regain Cowan, Thomson and Hobbs, and have handed domestic performer Robbie Robinson a start, but still have problems in their pack. Jason Rutledge’s wayward lineout feeds cost the Landers dearly in their 33-0 loss to the Stormers while the pack as a unit has lacked synergy. It’s something the Sharks are still searching for, but you feel they’re closer to coming right than the worst franchise in New Zealand. He may look like an unassuming butler, but Andy Goode can punish transgressions with accurate goal kicks from his own half. The Sharks will look to his boot to guide them to their first win of 2010. Sharks by 5
Highlanders – 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Kenny Lynn, 12 Michael Hobbs, 11 James Paterson, 10 Robbie Robinson, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Adam Thomson, 7 Alando Soakai, 6 John Hardie, 5 Hayden Triggs, 4 Josh Bekhuis, 3 Clint Newland, 2 Jason Rutledge, 1 Jamie Mackintosh.
Subs: 16 Jason Macdonald, 17 Chris King, 18 Joe Tuineau, 19 Tim Boys/Steven Setephano, 20 Sean Romans, 21 Jayden Hayward, 22 Fetu’u Vainikolo
Sharks – 15. Patrick Lambie, 14. Stefan Terblanche, 13. Adrian Jacobs, 12 Riaan Swanepoel, 11. JP Pietersen, 10. Andy Goode, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Jean Deysel, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Johann Muller (c), 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Craig Burden, 17 John Smit, 18 Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Willem Alberts, 20 Jacques Botes, 21 Rory Kockott, 22 Waylon Murray.
FORCE vs WARATAHS, PERTH, SATURDAY, 13:10
VREDE’S CALL: The Perth franchise’s slide will continue against the Tahs, who are fresh off their demolition of the Lions. The injury-ravaged Force won’t be as easy a beat as those lame Lions, but they don’t have the quality to compete with a well drilled Tahs side. The hosts will be competitive at the lineouts against the Tahs’ rookie second rowers, but that’s where parity will cease. Tahs by 12
JC’S CALL: The Tahs bagged the bonus in the Lions blowout, and will be disappointed not to pick up at least four tries against the flailing Force. Chris Hickey has decided to rest several players but a core of quality will ensure the necessary is done. Tatafu Polota-Nau will earn valuable metres for his side while Phil Waugh should have the run of the breakdown. The Force defence is in disarray, and once their frontline is breached, the dangerous Tahs outside runners will turn pressure into points. Tahs by 15
Western Force - 15 Dane Haylett-Petty, 14 Scott Staniforth, 13 Ryan Cross, 12 James O’Connor, 11 Nick Cummins, 10 David Hill, 9 Brett Sheehan, 8 Richard Stanford, 7 Matt Hodgson, 6 Ben McCalman, 5 Nathan Sharpe (c), 4 Sam Wykes, 3 Tim Fairbrother, 2 Ryan Tyrrell, 1 Nic Henderson.
Subs: 16 Ben Whittaker, 17 Kieran Longbottom, 18 Tom Hockings, 19 Luke Jones, 20 Chris O’Young, 21 Sam Harris, 22 Mitch Inman.
Waratahs – 15 Sosene Anesi, 14 Lachie Turner, 13 Tom Carter, 12 Berrick Barnes, 11 Drew Mitchell, 10 Daniel Halangahu, 9 Luke Burgess, 8 Ben Mowen, 7 Phil Waugh (c), 6 Dave Dennis, 5 Kane Douglas, 4 Dean Mumm, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Benn Robinson.
Subs: 16 Damien Fitzpatrick, 17 Dan Palmer, 18 Will Caldwell, 19 Locky McCaffrey, 20 Josh Holmes, 21 Kurtley Beale, 22 Rob Horne.
STORMERS vs CHEETAHS, CAPE TOWN, SATURDAY, 17:05
VREDE’S CALL: The Stormers have established a winning formula that has punishing defence as its cornerstone. In doing so, they have made themselves very difficult to beat, and that solidity combined with fluency on attack should see them triumph over the Cheetahs, who are the tournament’s third-lowest try scorers. It’ll be an almighty battle at the collisions, with both sides seeking to quell the other’s attacking threat by ensuring slow ruck ball. The Stormers will edge the set phases. Furthermore, the pressure they exerted on the Canes’ receivers through determined kick chases last week forced the New Zealanders into errors, and they will no doubt look to employ similar tactics against the Cheetahs, who are seldom able to resist the chance of running the ball back. Stormers by 15
JC’S CALL: What happens when attack meets defence? The question needs to be rephrased with the first team referring to the Cheetahs and the second to the Stormers: What happens when average attack meets awesome defence? On the flipside, the Stormers’ attack has improved immensely and will be favourites to breach the Cheetahs’ unreliable defence. The hosts should have enough clean ball to build the pressure considering their form at the lineout and breakdown, and even if the Cheetahs do manage to apply the squeeze at scrum time, their backline won’t have sufficient space to make the opportunities count. The Stormers have developed a knack of burying teams when they’re on the rack, so if the hosts go to an early lead, that pressure won’t relent in the second period. Naas Olivier doesn’t like kicking in the swirling cauldron that is Newlands, and the Stormer-turned-Cheetah won’t be a factor in Saturday’s fixture. Stormers by 10
Stormers – 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Tim Whitehead, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (c), 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Anton van Zyl, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Wicus Blaauw.
Subs: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 JC Kritzinger, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Pieter Louw, 20 Ricky Januarie, 21 Willem de Waal, 22 Sireli Naqelevuki.
Cheetahs – 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Lionel Mapoe, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Jongi Nokwe, 10 Naas Olivier, 9 Sarel Pretorius, 8 Frans Viljoen, 7 Juan Smith (c), 6 Hendro Scholtz, 5 Waltie Vermeulen, 4 Nico Breedt, 3 WP Nel, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Wian du Preez.
Subs: 16 Ryno Barnes, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Barend Pieterse, 19 Kabamba Floors, 20 Tewis de Bruyn, 21 Corne Uys, 22 Danwel Demas.
219 Comments
18 Mar 2010, 16:23 pm
DragonBulls!!
18 Mar 2010, 16:31 pm
sharks and Blues games are difficult.
18 Mar 2010, 16:31 pm
I fancy the sharks to sneak it.
18 Mar 2010, 16:33 pm
I got a little cocky this week; picked the Blues to upset the Brumbies (even though I think the Brumbies will be in the semi’s), and picking the Sharks to win their first game. Let’s see!
18 Mar 2010, 16:34 pm
Brumbies by 5
Bulls by 11
Crusaders by 36
Sharks by 8
Waratahs by 25
Stormers by 8
Wales by 11
Ireland by 15
France by 20
18 Mar 2010, 16:34 pm
Just checking if I am really banned.. Remember: I am The Almighty, I am Omnipresent
18 Mar 2010, 16:34 pm
Semi’s:
Bulls
Stormers
Crusaders
Brumbies
18 Mar 2010, 16:36 pm
@The Almighty Shaun: If no one else thinks that, then I suppose you have to. The king of one(you)! LOL!
18 Mar 2010, 16:37 pm
@The Almighty Shaun: LOL – Which planet do you hail from? Uranus?
18 Mar 2010, 16:39 pm
@Jacques Snyman Website Design: YOURANUS?
18 Mar 2010, 16:42 pm
Not overly confident that we will win this easily. I suspect we’ll be trailing again at half time. And then Spies monsters the 13 man Canes in the last quarter.
18 Mar 2010, 16:43 pm
@Johan Fourie: Johan, Id love to see a Bulls/Stormers final at Loftus. Rangermoan will organize me box tickets.
18 Mar 2010, 16:43 pm
@BlueBlood: I agree. Think we’ll win, but not gonna be easy. At least they realise we need to sharpen our defence.
18 Mar 2010, 16:45 pm
@BlueBlood: That would be great! Can you imagine the hype before the game; Habana vs v d Heever, Grant vs Steyn, Burger vs Stegman, Bekker vs Matfield,….
18 Mar 2010, 16:46 pm
Got to go lads.. but don’t slander The Almighty Shaun… Fire burn!!!
18 Mar 2010, 16:47 pm
@The Almighty Shaun: If you know that, why don’t you repent? Not 2 late you know!
18 Mar 2010, 17:06 pm
The Brumbies won’t beat the Blues, they had a hard time putting the Lions away. The Blues will have the better attack.
18 Mar 2010, 17:06 pm
Blues by 10-15
18 Mar 2010, 17:06 pm
Chaps – help please. Adam Whitelock or Ryan Crotty for my Fantasy Team??
18 Mar 2010, 17:08 pm
@5t0rmer54eva: Well I hope so cause I backed the Blues by 7 on superbru
18 Mar 2010, 17:10 pm
@BlueBlood: Don’t forget the SWC, if the final is RSA it won’t be at any of the main venues.
18 Mar 2010, 17:11 pm
@Karen: Me 2, Blues by 11.
18 Mar 2010, 17:14 pm
@5t0rmer54eva: Lol well the Blues have cost me points this season so far so they better win tomorrow
18 Mar 2010, 17:19 pm
It is a home game for them, and like I said the Brumbies aren’t as good as everybody thinks they are.
18 Mar 2010, 17:22 pm
@Karen: Gitts doesn’t seem to be firring and Morts is hurt, Their backline won’t be functioning lekker. Their attack has not given them one bonus point in 5 rounds and that was with Morts playing.
18 Mar 2010, 17:23 pm
@5t0rmer54eva: Well they better win – could help the Stormers on the log as well
Gitts better leave his firing for later
18 Mar 2010, 17:23 pm
sharks to take it
18 Mar 2010, 17:26 pm
@baw: Well I have them by 7 as well. They need to click and I think they can just do it this weekend
18 Mar 2010, 17:29 pm
@Karen: I’ve got faith in our boys….. it would have been better if de Jongh was playing, but I reckon Whitehead has the goods. Fleckie obviously has faith in him.
Have a nice evening thanks for the chat,
18 Mar 2010, 17:29 pm
@Karen: agree karen theres no doubt in my mind theyl win ,how ever with the season weve had…
18 Mar 2010, 17:30 pm
@5t0rmer54eva: I agree but SA teams need to help each other and they must stop giving away bonus points to our competitors
Pity about De Jongh but hopefully Whitehead will produce.
Cheers for now
18 Mar 2010, 18:36 pm
Lion to winm whoop whoop!
(Sigh)
F my life I can’t take the lions being even more kak than normal. You know how many cases & 6 packs of beer I’ve lost? Can’t seem to back down in front of my peers.
Please guys, just for once…
18 Mar 2010, 18:53 pm
Ok so couple of upsets to get me bak up the charts.
Game 34: Blues v Brumbies: Blues by 4
Game 35: Bulls v Hurricanes: Bulls by 15
Game 36: Crusaders v Lions: Crusaders by 24
Game 37: Highlanders v Sharks: Sharks by 9
Game 38: Force v Waratahs: Waratahs by 12
Game 39: Stormers v Cheetahs: Stormers by 7
18 Mar 2010, 18:55 pm
The Lions will upset my stomach. Again.
The Sharks will have the ‘Landers wearing buckets over their heads.
The Blues will squeak some home ground advantage.
18 Mar 2010, 19:21 pm
Can’t wait for the Lions to have a bye.
18 Mar 2010, 19:22 pm
@YoMama: I think it’s the only game we will win.
18 Mar 2010, 19:23 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: Classic!!
18 Mar 2010, 19:29 pm
lions will beat sharks at the coke park….watch this space.
18 Mar 2010, 19:39 pm
@grant10:
I am sure that “Raj” will be involved.
18 Mar 2010, 19:51 pm
“Lions (to lose) by plenty”
LOL, you think? So, when this Super 14 ends I will need to change my name to something reflecting my new team the Stormers. Any suggestions from the forum?
Everybody is welcome, even Bull supporters which would probably get some of you meat heads banned.
18 Mar 2010, 21:12 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: Soda, is this you?
18 Mar 2010, 21:17 pm
@Grrrr….I used to be a Lion!: How about; The biggest mistake of my life – Should’ve joined the Bulls!
18 Mar 2010, 21:48 pm
27/33 at the moment
Brumbies 1-12
Bulls 13+
Crusdaers 13+
Sharks 1-12
Stormers 1-12
Blues are picking up wins, but get the impression brumbies are not far away from getting all cylinders firing.
Bulls must at some point find a way to fix their leaky defensive system. When that happens every other team will wonder how to beat them. Canes are panicking. Nonu is an easy target for a yellow.
Crusaders have been playing lots of touch rugby this week in preparation for the Lions game. Could be a 100 pointer…
Sharks have to win at some point. They have got close against Brumbies and Tahs, both of them not such bad outfits. Cowan and Thompson’s focus will make things difficult.
Stormers are right up against it this week. Juan will stand shoulders above in the big exchanges, but Stormers should have more cohesion and the better game to win this.
18 Mar 2010, 22:00 pm
Watching Reunion,it was interesting to see the Kiwi reaction to Ma’a'a’a'a’a'a’ Nonu’s throat high, armless tackle on whichever Saffa it was. If Butch James, or Bakkies had made the same tackle, the bleating would have been heard in Mongolia. The panel, however, were horrified that poor, innocent Nonu had been cited for his harmless, coathanger tackle. Just goes to show that our Antipodean brethren are just as one-eyed as us Saffas, and we can safely ignore their irritating bleatings regarding nasty, beastly, dirty South African Players.
18 Mar 2010, 22:03 pm
@Croc:
the same thoughts went through my mind when i heard that.
to think of all the bleating about butch’s tackling style…..and suddenly its all hunky dory when a kiwi/pi does it?
18 Mar 2010, 22:14 pm
@charo: It was pretty sickening, but I don’t believe in any ANZAC conspiracy, but I think they’re just as parochial and one-eyed as we are.
18 Mar 2010, 22:19 pm
@Croc: anything that comes out of tony johnsons mouth is rout with bias. i avoid that show with a passion. a better one is the steve devine and karl tanana sundy highlights show. they are good value and not as bias
18 Mar 2010, 22:27 pm
@Tomsta:
Hi Tomsta,
Thks for the info on the TV shows in Nz the other night.
That Rugby-cafe?? show was quite good – more light hearted, I enjoyed it during that time.
What saved Nonu is that Peter Grant got up smiling not showing any discomfort.
The Cape players are tough – no sideshows.
18 Mar 2010, 22:28 pm
@Tomsta: It’s good to watch, just to get a different perspective on rugby, but they’re no different from us.
18 Mar 2010, 22:29 pm
I know Peter is originally from Natal but he has adjusted quite well in Cape Town and does not show any of the Natal-manners any more.
18 Mar 2010, 22:30 pm
You’ve got the Stormers to win!
aawww!
18 Mar 2010, 22:30 pm
@Robzim:
he’s from maritzburg college – not the cape
18 Mar 2010, 22:31 pm
natal-manners?
18 Mar 2010, 22:32 pm
@Robzim: ja his team is 2nd on the log
18 Mar 2010, 22:32 pm
@charo:
He got rid of that baggage
B.Com (US) – one of the few pro- rugby players to manage that.
18 Mar 2010, 22:34 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
I can smell the home-semi already.
18 Mar 2010, 22:35 pm
So many smileys…
18 Mar 2010, 22:35 pm
@Robzim: howzit.
yep sports cafe was great when it was on. interviewed stacks of sports personalities like percy, bobby, corne, irene van dyk, etc. we used to go and watch it live.
if i can, i enjoy the sunday highlights show now with Devine hosting it. then there is also the crowd goes wild with the smashed ‘em bro segment.
nonu is not a stand up dude imo. huge chip on his shoulder. watched the game but didnt see his hit on grant, but you right grant got up laughing at him, and that is fine in my books. the big hard tackles are needed in our game, its just when they get dangerous when the citing chops need to be on their game. kiwi and aussie media made it their job to keep butch in the papers. he was such a threat because of his strong defence they felt they had to make an exceptional noise about it. many times butch was unlucky in the way he was penalised. perhaps the kiwi and aussie 10′s begged their media commentators to focus on butch coz they were concerned for their safety
18 Mar 2010, 22:37 pm
@Croc: you right, i watched it for a few years. it got too repetitive for me. the same media experts who have bugger all rugby nous making BS comments on a lot of stuff. frustrated me so i stopped watching it. during teh test season they are even worse.
18 Mar 2010, 22:38 pm
@Robzim: lol I don’t wanna jinx it
@Robzim: apparently Peter’s one of the smarter ones in the team
18 Mar 2010, 22:39 pm
@Robzim: What has happened, you are 26th on the Keo Super 14!!!
At this point you are usually hovering about 99th!!
18 Mar 2010, 22:40 pm
@SpringbokSarah: any idea if the props have any hidden qualifications. they tend to be the focused guys
18 Mar 2010, 22:42 pm
@Croc: they’re pretty funny lot though… I dont know if they know what they’re talking about though
18 Mar 2010, 22:43 pm
@SpringbokSarah: I have the Stormers by 10 Sarah, how’s that for confidence??
18 Mar 2010, 22:44 pm
@Tomsta:
Where are u based in NZ – and from where in SA?
18 Mar 2010, 22:45 pm
@Tomsta: roflmao! Not that I know of… And for some reason I can’t picture Wicus studying much.
18 Mar 2010, 22:46 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
60
Anton van Zyl is the smartest (Stellenbosch and Oxford)
Peter is also right up there – now that he has got rid of his Durban- beach boy manners.
18 Mar 2010, 22:46 pm
auckland. left cape town in 98.
how about you?
18 Mar 2010, 22:48 pm
@carol: lol Lindsey’s giving away socks in the stormers group for last place, so I’ve stopped picking
18 Mar 2010, 22:48 pm
@SpringbokSarah: jannie du plessis is a Doc. i’m sure there have been some other interesting quals for props in the past.
wasnt there a prop in the early 90′s at Province who was reknowned for his singing?
18 Mar 2010, 22:48 pm
@carol:
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Hi Carol,
Yip, form comes and goes but class is forever
I stormed past you after you picked the Stormers to lose last week.
Me and Sarah had a good laugh at it a week ago.
18 Mar 2010, 22:49 pm
@SpringbokSarah: It’s very simple – we are nasty thugs in South Africa, and only brutish beasts become rugby players, but in New Zealand, prospective rugby players have to present kittens to orphans to get a chance of playing. So, when Ma’a'a’a'a’a'a’a Nonu shoved his shoulder into your Stormers player’s throat, he was actually presenting him with a kitten, and it was all just a big misunderstanding.
18 Mar 2010, 22:50 pm
@Tomsta:
68
Still in Cape Town, will probably stay.
18 Mar 2010, 22:50 pm
@Robzim: lol dont know Worms all that well… Peter is still very much a beach boy… Surfing and all that
18 Mar 2010, 22:51 pm
@Robzim: Durban Beach Boy manners – Why, are they different from Clifton beach boy manners?
18 Mar 2010, 22:52 pm
wouldnt it be funny if the stormers got knocked out at semis he he he ,lets remain humble here wp supporters, it takes one loss to derail a side thats winning all its games despite their defence -sharks 09
must say i am looking forward to the cheetahs vs stormers game ,epic game ! but the stormers should take it however the cheetahs are giant killers
18 Mar 2010, 22:52 pm
@Tomsta: lol I dont think there are many of Jannie… But Im not too sure if I would want him as my doc either
18 Mar 2010, 22:53 pm
@baw: even though they have great defence :/
18 Mar 2010, 22:53 pm
@Robzim: I really screwed up there…I thought the Stormers had a hit a ‘Sharkie Patch’!!
In my defence I did have to pick two weeks together, a bit of a panic job!
18 Mar 2010, 22:54 pm
@Robzim:
you’d be surprised how many of those durbs beach boys have serious degrees
actually mc is one of the better schools in sa – very disciplined and steeped in tradition.
genreally, though, the better class of pro rugby player tends to come from the “last outpost”
18 Mar 2010, 22:54 pm
@SpringbokSarah:
Does he surf?
Hell, I must stop criticizing him then, although his kicking makes it so hard….
18 Mar 2010, 22:55 pm
@SpringbokSarah: YOu would do that to win a pair of socks? Who wore them last anyway?
I wonder if Tasmin would spare me a pair of Percy’s old Stormers socks?
He must have got loads that need liberating? Have you seen anything of Percy recently?
18 Mar 2010, 22:55 pm
@charo: mc ?or kc?
18 Mar 2010, 22:56 pm
@Robzim:
18 Mar 2010, 22:58 pm
@Croc: must worn them… Peter’s more of a dog person
18 Mar 2010, 22:58 pm
@baw:
maritzburg college – my family school
18 Mar 2010, 22:59 pm
@carol:
75
I am not comparing him to the Clifton boys – they are the pits (excluding Grant 10), but to the people at the more “refined” CT beaches
18 Mar 2010, 22:59 pm
@Robzim: cape town’s a beautiful city. its super tough to leave, but i am so grateful that my folks pushed through with immigrating.
getting married next month to a kiwi girl, so i consider myself very settled now
18 Mar 2010, 23:00 pm
@Robzim: yup you can always find Joe and him out on the waves on a nice day
@carol: lol kind of hoping for some fresh ones…
18 Mar 2010, 23:02 pm
@Tomsta: aw congrats
18 Mar 2010, 23:02 pm
@Robzim: Do you have a beach at Durbanville!!
Is that the more ‘refined’ area?
Camps Bay looked nice though!
18 Mar 2010, 23:02 pm
@Tomsta:
your folks did the right thing.
i am currently living in a country that represents the future of south africa.
18 Mar 2010, 23:04 pm
@carol: er no… We have to drive to the beach…
18 Mar 2010, 23:05 pm
G2g all, night
18 Mar 2010, 23:06 pm
@charo:
80
I liked the Sharks in the earlier days.
Tommy Bedford used to be one of my first rugby heroes
I knew Cliffie Brown quite well – shared many waves with him in JB – he played about a thousand games for the sharks.
Top bloke – one of the best.
Currently they are probably still my second side – but only just.
18 Mar 2010, 23:06 pm
Did you see earlier someone saying to Shaun how dull and dreary Britain was…..
Well, some bits are, I think he probably needed to get out more though!!
18 Mar 2010, 23:07 pm
@Tomsta:
Good luck to you mate, Nz is a great place (just stay away from Wellington)
18 Mar 2010, 23:08 pm
@SpringbokSarah: Shame…See You.
Enjoy the Stormers this weekend!
18 Mar 2010, 23:11 pm
@Robzim:
then went off to the bulls, like so many of our good players in those days.
@carol:
only the cities are – the countryside is as good as anywhere in the world.
18 Mar 2010, 23:12 pm
@SpringbokSarah: thank you
18 Mar 2010, 23:12 pm
@carol:
LoL, unfortunately no beaches in Durbanville, only hills.
Refined?, I do not know, probably not too bad, here are all types as everywhere else.
Sarah and Robzim live there – so it cannot be that bad, or what do u say?
18 Mar 2010, 23:15 pm
@charo: You are right, I don’t really ‘get’ cities, being a Country Bumpkin!!
You are a bit like old Puma, have ‘Been About’ a bit, so you would know!
18 Mar 2010, 23:16 pm
@charo: it took me a long time to get used to nz, auckland, kiwi culture. figured it wasnt healthy living in fear in SA, so make most of nz. its beautiful in a different way.
@Robzim: been to wellington a few times now. reminds me a lot of cape town as i remember it. but its very small and right on a fault line.
18 Mar 2010, 23:16 pm
durbanville is where we keep the troublemakers..
18 Mar 2010, 23:19 pm
@Robzim: I say turn on your skype cos there are messages trying to get to you!!
Durbanville sounds delightful!!
18 Mar 2010, 23:19 pm
@gunther: Robzim and Sarah troublemakers!!
18 Mar 2010, 23:21 pm
@carol:
actually d’ville and all the cpt n/suburbs are a bit of a contradiction.
plenty of afrikaans ous and poms, all mixed together
18 Mar 2010, 23:22 pm
@Tomsta:
The worst thing about Wellington is the airport and the custom officials.
Landing there in a crosswind is a nightmare – before u know u pray
And once u survived that u must face the overzealous custom blokes with their badly trained sniffler dogs.
A nightmare….. the town itself is not so bad once you have settled in.
18 Mar 2010, 23:24 pm
@gunther:
104
I hope u are referring to Ricky January and not to me and Sarah.
Ricky is also only misunderstood.
18 Mar 2010, 23:32 pm
@Robzim:
a bit like nyc immigration?
full of **** attitude!
18 Mar 2010, 23:34 pm
Bob talking about bekker driving people back in the tackle 5 or 6 yards on boots n all..
I feel unwell…
18 Mar 2010, 23:38 pm
@charo:
If u do not have a nz passport they pick on u – if u are from africa they are 10x more determined to find something to nail u with – the dogs are the worst, badly trained and if u are not careful they lift a leg on your luggage.
Flipping sheepdogs/collies cross breed sniffler stuff.
18 Mar 2010, 23:43 pm
@Robzim: Is this dog diversification….are there fewer sheep for them to worry in NZ these days?
18 Mar 2010, 23:45 pm
Carol
In new Zealand the men chase the sheep whilst the digs read the papers…
18 Mar 2010, 23:45 pm
@Robzim:
hahaha rob,
sounds like you were seriously pissed off with the whole affair
as a matter of interest, how do they treat ozzie passport holders?
with kid gloves?
18 Mar 2010, 23:47 pm
@charo:
or bended knee?
18 Mar 2010, 23:47 pm
@gunther: 114 Read the papers and lift their legs on your luggage!!
18 Mar 2010, 23:48 pm
its funny, I see people on this thread classifying themselves as mature bloggers?
and then they make sheep jokes, should I pull out the racial card or any of many references to the Dutch and the like?
pethetic really…
18 Mar 2010, 23:50 pm
@poppa69:
relax pops, we’re just having a laff
18 Mar 2010, 23:51 pm
Ooops..
18 Mar 2010, 23:56 pm
It’s always sad when our Anzac cousins contemplate pulling out the racial card ..
18 Mar 2010, 23:56 pm
@poppa69: Poppa, it makes a change from jokes about the Pom’s hiding their money under their bars of soap!!
(Don’t they know we use shower gel these days)!!
19 Mar 2010, 00:05 am
@poppa69:
Sorry
@charo:
Strangely enough they also had no mercy for the Aussies either.
They forced a Norwegian colleague who was travelling with me to hand over his running shoes because they thought he was bringing African mud into their country.
And then people complain about South African Government officials!!
19 Mar 2010, 00:05 am
@Robzim: Fiance’s best friend works on border control for customs. the stories she tells really explains why they try and be as ruthless as possible within reason. she works at auckland airport. wellington and the other cities are probably not as professional as an international port.
i’ve flown into wellington in a storm, it was very bumpy, then not long after landing took off again in one of those 10 seater jobbies to fly over to blenheim. that was white knuckle stuff
i dont travel on SA passport anymore. i got so much grief at heathrow and philly airport on my SA passport. it felt like they were trying to convince me i was a terrorist. kiwi passport is gold.
19 Mar 2010, 00:12 am
i had to produce my passport to fly from baltimore to houston – way back in the day before 9/11.
asked the lady if texas was a foreign country?
felt like i was back in the days of the confederates
19 Mar 2010, 00:20 am
@poppa69: Just give ‘er a cuddle pops. You will fell much better. And warm on a cold night. There’s nothing like wool, they say.
19 Mar 2010, 00:21 am
@SodaJoe: mate, what your picks for the wkend?
19 Mar 2010, 00:22 am
@SodaJoe:
soda is on a roll again.
weather must be warming up !
19 Mar 2010, 00:23 am
Yoda
Don’t antagonise him.. he could go off at any moment..
19 Mar 2010, 00:37 am
@charo: @gunther: Here are my picks:
Game 34: Blues v Brumbies: Blues by 4
Game 35: Bulls v Hurricanes: Bulls by 15
Game 36: Crusaders v Lions: Crusaders by 24
Game 37: Highlanders v Sharks: Sharks by 9
Game 38: Force v Waratahs: Waratahs by 12
Game 39: Stormers v Cheetahs: Stormers by 7
3 upsets:
Sharks going to pull it off. Blues going to squeak home ground advantage.
And Lions will give me an upset stomach.
Jah Mon. It’s warm. Lekker. No snow.
19 Mar 2010, 01:05 am
Great to see then that this blog only reinforces the perception of SA that I distinctly remember forming when a young man living through the 81 tour
One only has to be a foreigner on this blog to realise that attitudes haven’t really changed a hell of a lot since then. There is still an underlying hatred for anything that is different.
19 Mar 2010, 02:28 am
@poppa69: 131 what a nice positive oke you are. I take it you haven’t been back since 81?
19 Mar 2010, 03:18 am
@KZN King Shark: yep, must be all the positivity I see directed towards my country on this site…
on almost every thread on every day… tell me, why do Saffas hate Kiwis and Aussies THAT much that they get their jollys by having to degrade and denigrate anything and everything about them?
does SA have that much of an inferiority complex that its the only way you guys feel good about yourselves?
19 Mar 2010, 04:05 am
@poppa69: it’s just a couple of sheep jokes bud, it’s not like they pointed out the all blacks choking in 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007 or anything annoying like that
chill popples
19 Mar 2010, 04:12 am
Poppa saffas love kiwis. They are the best rugby producing nation on earth.
The faut actually lies with you and some of your fellow foreign blogegrs who only come here to try stick fingers up our arses.
You, like Black Panther you are so delusional thinking that you are not going to kop ****$ here. Dont feel alone even I kop ****$ on this site.
Hell try beeng a Saffa on a kiwi blog and see what **** you get there.
Come on Pops stop looking for problems because yu will find what you are looking for.
Go somewhere else if this is a problem, like get a life.
19 Mar 2010, 05:22 am
@poppa69:
Aaah jeez Popps, wipe away the tears boet. When last did you blogg on a Kiwi site?? You can’t say anything there for fear of getting banned. And the one eyed, ignorant anti Saffa stuff is on a par with what you see here towards the kiwis by some bloggers. get over it…..
Blues to get shafted at home tonight………
19 Mar 2010, 06:14 am
@Big Hit:
if you are so seriously bereft of imagination that you have to belittle yourself by hitting the cliche sheep-joke button, then so be it. But to spend a lifetime as an ‘Englishman’ (*chuckle*), coming on to a Safa blog, praising everything Sth African, and dissing everything about NZ rugby, desperately playing up to the crowds for affection like a retired-clown at a 5-yr olds Bday party, well quite frankly the only emotion I feel for you is pity.
I suppose we should really be flattered by your petty mocking as it is really nothing less than an embarrassing attempt to hitch a vicarious ride on the coattails of a real rugby rivallry like SA vs NZ whereas, in fact, noone gives a **** about England as a rugby nation whatsoever.
@KevinRack:
Form whatever opinion is most convenient for your own unique blend of bile. I keep 99% of my comments here for rugby matters only. If your lifelong disappointment with the size of your manhood extends to an intolerance for 2-3 regular foreign bloggers swimming against an entire school of locals, then somewhere along the way you forgot to take in a few of lifes lessons.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Kiwi blogs are just as full of tossers who have never left the country and are so thick that their only material is stereotypes formed out of history books and off graffiti walls. Such is life, you guys have your Kobus “Im richer than you” Kittys and your immature racists like Whatever. *SNAP*
19 Mar 2010, 06:53 am
“…and the fact that the Sharks players have one foot on the plane back to SA.”
Huh? Let’s hope not, aftrer this game the Sharks still have to play the Hurricanes in Wellington (a fabulous city by the way), or perhaps Vrede read the fixture list incorrectly?…
Surprising to hear that Smit has been axed. All a bit fishy to me.
19 Mar 2010, 07:00 am
@wooden spoon: apparently he rolled on his ankle or rolled his ankle (not sure of the correct expression here), revealed it on “twitter”…so no fishy business…
19 Mar 2010, 07:02 am
What’s going on here today?
My question about NZ is, why does it appear to be so much more liberal than Australia? Hyper PC, PM’s batting for the other side, cultural melting pot and all that.
Aren’t they worried about losing their culture and identity, or is it that their history is just too unremarkable, uneventful and relatively short to have shaped a strong cultural identity? Or is my impression just wrong?
19 Mar 2010, 07:20 am
@Tacitus: Nah, as someone who has just spent 6 weeks travelling in NZ, your impression is, as you say, just wrong.
@Transformation: Thanks trrrransie, wonder why Vrede using the word “axing”? It’s so …autocratic and conspiratorial.
19 Mar 2010, 07:21 am
I have put down a cheeky tip in my superbru.
Canes by 3.
The canes have too much quality to be rolled 3-0 in RSA but anything can happen.
I have tipped this as the Bulls while being imprssive in attack look a little porous in defence. The Canes can be brutal in attack and defense.
If Canes get upper hand on the scoreboard at anytime that will be enough to put on the stranglehold.
19 Mar 2010, 07:23 am
Anyway, out of here so no time to stay and skinner.
Tac – NZ has far more “culture” than Aus, which personally I found to be quite bland and lacking on that front.
Cheers for another few months.
Up the Sharks!
19 Mar 2010, 07:32 am
@Transformation: 139
That ankle rolling is symptomatic of the disease called ‘THE TURBO REVERSE’.
probably happened in training when smit came up against a makeshift sharks 2 nd team front row consisting of lambie, adi and kockitt…
19 Mar 2010, 07:37 am
@Tacitus:
You seem to know a lot of Bulls rugby and stats. Do you maybe know what is the Super rugby record for the most home games win in a row? (think the Bulls have 14 at the moment)
19 Mar 2010, 07:41 am
@Tacitus: careful tac. these nz bloggers are sensitive souls. you may just cause some emotional outbursts.
19 Mar 2010, 07:41 am
@grant10: Everyone knows you don`t like Smit @ 3. Is it really necessary to critize him every time you post something?
19 Mar 2010, 07:44 am
@the peanut gallery: careful peanut, you put your tongue any further UP Tacs @rse you’ll be known as keos resident felcher!!
19 Mar 2010, 07:45 am
@DAN_MAN: Unfortunately for him it is. He has mental issues!
Grant10 is the cancer of this site!
19 Mar 2010, 07:56 am
@DAN_MAN: dan grant is a 3 year old in a 100 year old body
immature prick is good way to descibe him
19 Mar 2010, 07:57 am
@poppa69: pretty rich coming from someone with 69 in their nic. if ever there was a good position to stick your tongue up someone’s @rse……
19 Mar 2010, 07:57 am
@WP_: and amen WP you are 100% correct
19 Mar 2010, 08:00 am
@the peanut gallery: oh my, was that an emotional response?
so you stick your tongue up someones @rse when in the 69 position?? …you should get some books to give you some pointers on your technique, you obviously have no clue what youre doing..
19 Mar 2010, 08:07 am
@poppa69: pull back those claws. someone might get hurt.
subject closed. we will accept no further posts on this topic.
19 Mar 2010, 08:08 am
Sharks Lover & Peanut
fact remains that, agree with him or not, G10 keeps his comments strictly to rugby and doesn’t get sidetracked by petty namecalling and immature insults. He has a passion for his players and teams and for that he is to be commended, not derided.
Has, for eg, Tactitus even been to NZ ? If not, why the desperation here to pigeonhole a whole society as 1 thing or the other ? perhaps that says more about him than anything….
19 Mar 2010, 08:15 am
@Black Panther:
“G10 keeps his comments strictly to rugby and doesn’t get sidetracked by petty namecalling and immature insults.”
Think again…
“Just the other day”
93. grant10 :
March 17th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
@Richie_7: you think like a moron…a ******….
19 Mar 2010, 08:15 am
@Black Panther: wtf you on about? leave me out of it, mate.
i was having some light banter with the sexual guru, poppa69.
as for tac, he’s a bulls’ supporter – no further explanation needed.
19 Mar 2010, 08:18 am
poppa … so if you do the 69 thing, do you wait for the sheep to reach climax.. or do you mo3r the thing aside if you’r done?
19 Mar 2010, 08:25 am
@Luke_Twatson: tell me Luke, when your in the morgue and giving it to a stiff corpse, do you mo3r the thing aside if you’r done?
whats the matter, no one to talk to on Rugby Talk today?
19 Mar 2010, 08:25 am
@grant10
****…
19 Mar 2010, 08:26 am
Too damn early for this.
19 Mar 2010, 08:26 am
@Luke_Twatson: it’s a little known fact that sheep in nz only reach climax when the all blacks win the world cup.
19 Mar 2010, 08:30 am
@the peanut gallery: oh, so you can identify when a sheep has reached climax can you? now the truth comes out, didnt like the cold of the dead bodies huh??
19 Mar 2010, 08:34 am
ok, sorry if i hurt anyone’s feelings. no more jokes about nzlanders, sheep, bulls supporters.
well, maybe only about bulls’ supporters.
19 Mar 2010, 08:36 am
@Black Panther:
No, you misunderstand me. Like most civilized South Africans, emigration is a real issue I’m pondering about on an on and off basis. And naturally, one has to look at the alternatives.
And what puts me off NZ, is the seemingly over the top focus on political correctness, extreme tolerance etc. etc.
It seems like if you believe in family values, western culture and a Christian based value system, then NZ won’t really be the best place to settle.
What did I read the other day? Kiwi women on average have the highest number of “partners” in their life time. Now, some point out that they’re maybe just more honest than women from other cultures when completing the survey, but that begs the question: What type of society is it if they have no sense of shame admitting to such indiscretions?
And I was watching some BBC documentary the other day about NZ, and half the show focused on native inhabitents with a sense of entitlement, going on about how everything was taken away from them by the “pakehas” or “pokemons” or something.
And I thought, ag please, not another country with a guilt complex. That’s what’s nice about Aus and the US. There they just accept that Western Civilization is superior, and get on with making a success of their lives.
19 Mar 2010, 08:36 am
@poppa69: Come on bud, ignore negative okes…
19 Mar 2010, 08:39 am
poppa69 .. hahah lame bro..lame
19 Mar 2010, 08:42 am
@Tacitus:
So.
When are you emigrating to a country which suits your facist needs.
Or, better still, start one yourself.
19 Mar 2010, 08:44 am
@Tacitus: “That’s what’s nice about Aus and the US.”
and bombing the **** out of anyone who disagrees with them.
19 Mar 2010, 08:46 am
@Tacitus: “Western Civilization” has some serious flaws though.
19 Mar 2010, 08:49 am
Holy **** okes, this is very serious for a breakfast chat. Sheeps, stiffs etc.
Anyway, hope the Blues win. My Superbru needs to take a jump up.
And as I say that, the brumbies go up 7 – 0.
Bloody shackle draggers
19 Mar 2010, 08:52 am
Tac, your prediction for the Bulls game?
I got them by 12, cause I think you will again score lots tries, however, the Hurricanes will also score a bunch unless you sort out your defence.
And the Hurricanes are dangerous is open games. Your forwards needs to control the game and hit them hard.
19 Mar 2010, 08:56 am
@wooden spoon:
You wouldnt know what culture is if it were to slap you in the face.
19 Mar 2010, 08:59 am
@ImAStronter:
I think Bulls by about 20.
The fact is, the Bulls can score tries almost at will, and the Canes don’t have the best defense.
Add to that the fact that the Bulls are seriously trying to improve their defensive lapses up to now, and the 5 changes to the Canes team, and I think the Bulls will take this one by a good margin.
Oh, and Stegman is back. And he is integral to our team. Our own Brussouw.
19 Mar 2010, 09:14 am
@Tacitus:
I think you should just stay in Pretoria then. Nowhere will come up to your requirements.
19 Mar 2010, 10:23 am
Sharks to win this one at the House of Plain.
19 Mar 2010, 10:28 am
glad too see a afrikaans team (bulls) dominating the super 14 ..
19 Mar 2010, 10:28 am
@Luke_Twatson:
..again…
19 Mar 2010, 10:34 am
@Black Panther: 175
Actually, there is another place in SA where fascist Tac would feel more at home – a backward little hick town, known as ORANIA
19 Mar 2010, 10:35 am
@Luke_Twatson: That would be AN afrikaans team, Meneer.
19 Mar 2010, 10:37 am
wp_ jy weet wat ek bedoel meester
19 Mar 2010, 10:38 am
@Tomsta: 70
A bit late, but…
If I’m not mistake, Cobus Visagie was a Chartered Accountant.
19 Mar 2010, 10:40 am
@4thWiseMan:
*mistaken* even…
19 Mar 2010, 10:44 am
@Luke_Twatson: Yes I do. I can like to just you gecorrect.
19 Mar 2010, 10:50 am
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19 Mar 2010, 11:00 am
yes Cobus is a CA … he looks a bit dof, but he must be mo3rse clever … i’m still stuck on board2
19 Mar 2010, 11:05 am
Lol wow heavy for a Friday….seems like there are some very sensitive souls on here today…dry your eyes, princesses!!
Jeez shrug off the dumb jokes, guys! You sound like a bunch of schoolgirls at break time!!! “…shu’up, whatever…he’s like SOOOO immature” and it’s even weirder coming from a bunch of burly kiwi rugger fans! Did your beauty therapist **** up your manicures this morning? Or was the chamomile cold?
19 Mar 2010, 11:07 am
@wallabie.: And in Oz, it probably would….
19 Mar 2010, 11:08 am
@Luke_Twatson:
Becoming a fully fledged CA ain’t no joke. Big ups to the Visagie.
So nou ja… Not all front-rowers are domkoppe
19 Mar 2010, 11:09 am
@4thWiseMan: Isn’t Jannie Dup a doctor too?
19 Mar 2010, 11:10 am
Where’d the kiwis go? Eating tubs of ice-cream and watching Desperate Housewives reruns?
19 Mar 2010, 11:13 am
Yeah, they mentioned that earlier (yesterday) on this same thread. There was a discussion about the lesser known intellectuals in the front row, lol.
19 Mar 2010, 11:19 am
@Atreides: 191
Dude, easy on the jibes… Some folks are mighty sensitive here today
On the upside, Poppa69 must be stoked about the Blues’ victory.
19 Mar 2010, 11:29 am
@4thWiseMan: Hehehe he can handle it, make no mistake, Pops gives as good as he gets! Hopefully the Blues coming right will put him and Cane in less foul moods….
19 Mar 2010, 11:42 am
problem is … Bulls always battle in night games … even @ loftus and especially on Friday nights …
19 Mar 2010, 11:46 am
@Luke_Twatson:
Soooooooo… Canes by how many?
19 Mar 2010, 11:51 am
Too many flat whites this am, Atriedes ?
19 Mar 2010, 11:52 am
4th …. Bulls by 7
19 Mar 2010, 11:55 am
Keo needs to rethink their naming convention… I can’t access the Mapoe thread. Why? Because it says Mapoe’s a Cheetah. But in the url, the apostrophe is eliminated. So Mapoe’s, becomes _ _ _ _ _ _
Offensive url blocked!
19 Mar 2010, 11:56 am
@Luke_Twatson:
If that were to happen, it would be their smallest victory margin so far, no?
19 Mar 2010, 11:59 am
Cape judge sued over attack on business family
By Fatima Schroeder
Cape Town – A SENIOR Cape High Court judge has allegedly accused the shareholder family of asset management company Oasis Group Holdings of being “a bunch of thugs”, “scum” and “********”.
Judge Siraj Desai allegedly made the comments to one of the group’s main shareholders, Nazeem Ebrahim, in November, 2001, in response to a proposed development by the group in University Estate, where the judge lives.
The remarks were allegedly made days before a meeting of University Estate residents to discuss a proposed office development in the area for Oasis, which operates parts of its business in accordance with Shariah (Muslim law).
There, the judge allegedly accused the group of fraud and of intimidating residents into signing a document in support of the development.
The group sued him for defamation in the Cape High Court, claiming he had accused them of conducting dishonest business and made statements “calculated to harm the (company) in its business reputation”.
Oasis said should the case go to court, and the court find in the group’s favour, Desai would not have to pay the R250 000 damages claimed if he publishes full-page adverts in three Cape newspapers “in a form acceptable to the (company) within 10 days”.
Desai has admitted in papers that he made the statements but said that it had come to his attention prior to the meeting that a document revealing the views of residents only recorded those who supported the development and not those opposed to it.
This he described as “misleading”.
He also said residents were intimidated into signing the document.
He denied making the statements recklessly or negligently.
In addition, Desai claimed the statements were not made unlawfully, relying on the protection afforded to him in the section of the Constitution dealing with freedom of expression.
But the Oasis Group said the defamatory statements were “not germane to the duty relied upon by (Judge Desai) and the concomitant interest of those attending the meeting”.
The group alleged the judge had deliberately made the statements to attack the group.
It said days before the meeting, Ebrahim had encountered Desai in University Estate.
At the time, the judge had voiced his opposition to the proposed development in “an aggressive and hostile manner”.
He allegedly accused the Ebrahim family – the main shareholders in Oasis – of being “a bunch of thugs”, “scum”, and “********”.
19 Mar 2010, 12:07 pm
Some class from the Bulls sponsors.
19 Mar 2010, 12:07 pm
@Luke_Twatson: and your point is? isn’t that old news?
19 Mar 2010, 12:28 pm
Wooden Spoon
I see you’ve recently spent some time in Godzone. Having just returned from 3 wks there myself, I know that you lucked out bigtime with the weather. Prob not an issue with yr ave Safa, but Kiwis appreciate a good Summer when they have one , and Jan/Feb was driest ever apparently. I got fried over on Waiheke, what a gem of a spot, native bush/birds, streams and gorgeous beaches with no highrises. Bliss, and the food culture is superb too, I was dining heavily on all seafood but partic on Bluff Oysters which had just come in to season, the Worlds best no doubt.
Did you go anywhere or eat anything in partic that will stay in the memory ? Maybe the Coromandel or Hokianga or Waikaremoana or Wanaka or Akaroa ?
Despite the overtly-righteous diatribe earlier from Tacitus, if what he was trying to say is the Aotearoa is a young country then I would go along with that. It is still finding itself in many ways and with the last decade of immigration that maturing will take generations yet. Personally I found the increased cosmopolitan vibe of Auckland refreshing and exciting on the whole. More interesting now. It is also had it’s scary moments when parking in Sky City and walking thru the Casino level at 11:30am on a Wednes and seeing the tables PACKED, 90% of whom were Chinese, and often 3 generations gambling together. That’s not really a ‘culture’ I would happily impor. Each to their own I
Suppose but betting is for fools. Asians have otherwise been welcome like the 1000′s Safas and Brits but we were also thrilled to meet young Sth Americans, French, Spanish , Skandis etc, really cool. Down in the Sth Island it is less so and also where I would recommend Tacticus to consider given it’s whiter more conservative society. Also more boring in many ways ( with an admittedly stunning backdrop !). I found Chch more bogan than ever and yet the locals are happy, the sections are big enough for a pool and the mountains are less than an hour away. They just happen to have the Worlds best ever footy team in town, that’s all. Damn them.
19 Mar 2010, 12:53 pm
@Johan Fourie: Clever… but if I decided to become a Bull I would have had to change my name to: “Drool….D’uh, I’m a Blue Bull!”. No thanks….
19 Mar 2010, 12:54 pm
@Black Panther: 137 I didn’t make any sheep jokes, I was telling Pops to ignore the sheep jokes, it’s not that serious. But I see he has responded with some necro jokes
19 Mar 2010, 12:55 pm
@Black Panther:
Chch??
Would they like to buy a vowel?
19 Mar 2010, 12:58 pm
Best thing to come out of New Zealand… FLIGHT OF THE CONCHORDS!
19 Mar 2010, 12:59 pm
@4thWiseMan:
Its fair to say that theirs are more rounded than anywhere else in NZ. Its a “1st Boat’er” thing.
19 Mar 2010, 13:00 pm
@4thWiseMan: @208
its business time
19 Mar 2010, 13:03 pm
@Black Panther:
Goodbye, leggy blonde!
19 Mar 2010, 13:05 pm
misguided minstrels indeed.
unguided missiles perhaps?
girl guides?
19 Mar 2010, 13:08 pm
@roobarb2:
did you know that Girl Guide biscuits now come in mini choco-dipped sizes ?
19 Mar 2010, 13:44 pm
@Black Panther: Sheesh 4 and no breakfast….bouncing off the walls here!
19 Mar 2010, 13:52 pm
@Atreides:
I recommend Acai berry juice.
Makes you bounce off the walls in an anti-oxident high kinda way, and I find my wife loves it too (cue stupid winky teachers stamp).
Cant beat that 1st flat white of the day tho. I wish there were more decent coffee houses in UK tho, even petrol stations in NZ have better espresso fixes than 90% of places here.
19 Mar 2010, 14:35 pm
@Black Panther: My brother’s a coffee junkie, the thing he hated most about the UK was the warm dish water they pass off as coffee
I’ll look the Acai up, thanks! Have you tried Maca powder? wawaweewa is all I can say!!!
19 Mar 2010, 14:54 pm
@Atreides:
havent heard of Maca, some Safa magic potion made out of rhino dung no doubt ?
The big news here in UK this week is ‘Meow Meow’. It has been used as a garden fertiliser before now, until the kids found out you could also grow euphoria out of it too if you fertilised your nose with it. 2 teenagers died doing exactly that. Im no diagnostic analyst but I believe it is derived from Khat, which is something I understand the witchdoctors down your way like to chew on between prophecies ?
19 Mar 2010, 15:58 pm
@Black Panther: Lol no, Maca’s a root powder of South Amrican origin…tastes a lttle odd (this is a severe understatement, took me 2 days to get a whole glass down my neck!) but it feels like someones injected rocketfuel into you – apparently not everyone has the same response but it worked for me. Apparently really good for you, and also helps the old libido along (nudge nudge wink wink)
19 Mar 2010, 16:58 pm
@Atreides:
gives the phrase “I feel like a Maca attack” whole new meaning !
Its bizarre hearing about these new ‘tonics’. Easy to assume we’ve already squeezed the profits out of everything this planet has ever produced and then *hey presto* along comes another one.
Only to be told, “oh yeah, the Aztecs used that one prior to football matches”.
This stuff, Meow Meow, was literally freely avail off the shelves and marketed as ‘house plant food’. Then you see photos of it and its looks identical to charlie. WTF ?!
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