Wikus flies to Lions’ aid
18 Mar 2010
Wikus van Heerden has been granted an early release by Saracens to join the Lions in the Super 14.
Van Heerden intended to see out the English season before completing a move back to Johannesburg where he would play for the Lions in the Currie Cup. However, the desperate situation has necessitated a request being sent to Saracens, and Van Heerden will join the Lions with immediate effect.
Saracens director of rugby Brendan Venter was sad to see the former Springbok flanker go at this stage of the season, but holds no grudge.
‘Wikus has produced many outstanding performances for Saracens and we wish him and his family well,’ said Venter.
249 Comments
18 Mar 2010, 13:51 pm
Wikcus is a Dragon!
18 Mar 2010, 13:52 pm
You have to admire Van Heerden’s decision to rejoin the Lions.
I’m sure he feels there’s unfinished business.
But it has to be said I feel he’s on a hiding to nothing.
He’s a great player and an exceptional leader, but still…
A bridge too far?
One man is not going to cure the Lions’ woes.
18 Mar 2010, 13:53 pm
The Lions play 50% better with Wickus at the Helm.
18 Mar 2010, 13:53 pm
is he coming to Johannesburg or flying straight to New Zealand ?
18 Mar 2010, 13:54 pm
I suppose he returned to Lions country cos no other union wanted him.
The Bulls have over enough looseforwards and so too the rest of the SA teams in the S14.
18 Mar 2010, 13:54 pm
@puff: True, what you say Puff. But if they can keep him for maybe 2-3 seasons, they can build a decent side with his leadership.
18 Mar 2010, 13:56 pm
They must be paying him a small fortune.
18 Mar 2010, 13:56 pm
@wpw: If i were the Sharks i would pick him up. Much better than Botes and Keegan.
18 Mar 2010, 13:57 pm
With his stetson, his spurs and his pistols. I dunno what the Lions sheriff is going to do? Maybe Wickus wants to break his heart again…just for oldtime sake.
I do wish him well.
18 Mar 2010, 13:57 pm
@Vundu: You think so?
18 Mar 2010, 13:59 pm
Rebels keen to lure Vermuelen
43 minutes ago
The Melbourne Rebels have upped their interest in SA players with Stormers No 8 Duane Vermuelen reportedly on their wishlist.
18 Mar 2010, 13:59 pm
I guess Wickus wants another shot in the drawing board business.
18 Mar 2010, 14:01 pm
Wonder how much that cost the Lions?
18 Mar 2010, 14:03 pm
@BlueBlood:
Wickus is a true blue…he’s doing it for the lurve.
18 Mar 2010, 14:04 pm
@BlueBlood: I dont think much….they already broke the bank by getting King Carlos. Wikus is a loyal guy so he wont mind taking a pay cut.
18 Mar 2010, 14:10 pm
Stormers fans say “Bye Bye Vermeulen.”
18 Mar 2010, 14:11 pm
this Wickus is the real deal….what a player….
Would rather have bought a couple more players like Wickus than broke the bank for Spencer.
Make him skipper as well….and play Johan van deventer in place of Baywatch.
18 Mar 2010, 14:11 pm
The Sharks could do with Wikus.
18 Mar 2010, 14:12 pm
@wpw:
Disagree.
Looking ahead, the Bulls are acqually short on depth when it comes to loose forward and wing.
Let’s look at the loosies:
Stegman, Kuun, Wannenberg, Rossouw, Potgieter, Spies, Van Velze.
Wannenberg and Rossouw won’t be around for much longer.
The Bulls could do with another quality loosie.
As for the wings:
Hougaard to scrumhalf when Du Preez leaves.
Van Den Heever, Ndungane and Mametsa (who hardly ever gets Super 14 game time).
The Bulls would do well to contract the likes of Mapoe or Bjorn Basson.
Other than that, they are well covered.
18 Mar 2010, 14:13 pm
@Oubaas2009: Is this a serious comment?
18 Mar 2010, 14:15 pm
@iori Yagami: Melbourne Rebels are keen on Duanne according to sport24. He is not capped as a Bok and they reckon he could play for Oz.
18 Mar 2010, 14:18 pm
This is a start .. but Wikus is in for a surprise
Now:
Get rid of ****
Beg HM to take over
Get rid of rose
Spencer more coaching than playing role
… for a start
18 Mar 2010, 14:19 pm
I dont think Duanne would give up on the Boks that easily. Besides the rebels will be the new whipping boys of super rugby.
18 Mar 2010, 14:22 pm
@Oubaas2009:
Hmmm
Pocock
Elsom
Vermeulen
Not too shabby.
Add Kockott in the mix as back-up to Genia!
18 Mar 2010, 14:28 pm
Dream on guys…Vermeulen will be in the bok squad for 2011 NZ World Cup. He would not be such a doos. The Melbourne Rebels will be the Valke of Super Rugby.
18 Mar 2010, 14:30 pm
And please dump Grobbelaar. He is useless and his post match interviews are so predictable.
18 Mar 2010, 14:32 pm
It will take the Rebels are few years to become competitive.
18 Mar 2010, 14:32 pm
@iori Yagami:
The Lions may play 50% better with Wikus at the helm.
But they still lose with Wikus at the helm!
I hope that will change, but still it has to be said.
18 Mar 2010, 14:33 pm
@Jinx: yes, I’d be more concerned if I was Tacitus about a guy like Potgieter who may be left out in the cold
18 Mar 2010, 14:35 pm
@Jinx:
Burger
Brussow
Smith
Spies
Johnson
Rossouw
Potgieter
Van Heerden
Van Niekerk
All ahead of
Louw
Vermeulen
Kankowski
Deysel
Alberts
Stegman
At this point, as far as PDV is concerned.
18 Mar 2010, 14:36 pm
@onerb:
As predictable as Wickus’ speeches when he last played for the beleaguered Lions. 9 million drawing boards. Noooooh!!
I say re-cycle the Coke Tin. The Lions are flat. No fizz.
18 Mar 2010, 14:36 pm
@puff: True. I think it will change. He will add stability to the team and lead by example when it comes to defence. **** Muir’s vision is just all wrong for the Lions. Lions are better suited to a structured forward orientated game plan. The heads up rugby will come once you are settled and sure about the team and the game plan.
18 Mar 2010, 14:37 pm
I’d pick Francois Louw for the Boks out of that bottom list at present.
18 Mar 2010, 14:39 pm
Lions need to know who their top 15 players are.
Can one say who their top hooker is?
No.
Their top tighthead?
No.
Their top locks?
No.
Their top flyhalf?
Potentially but then let him settle (Francis not Spencer!).
Their top outside centre?
Their top wings?
Their top fullback?
No, no and no.
18 Mar 2010, 14:41 pm
@puff:
I would drop Danie (bless his soul) and Big Joe from your top lot for 2011 NZ.
Flo is a boykie…agree.
18 Mar 2010, 14:42 pm
1. Heinke Van Der Merwe
2. Cobus Grobelaar (You who diss him now, tell me, were you calling his name to be drafted into the Bok squad not so long ago?)
3. Wikus Van Heerden
4. Jano Vermaak
5. Burton Francis
6. Doppies La Grange (I don’t rate him too highly but I guess the stats don’t lie.)
In my mind, these are the six definites on the team sheet.
18 Mar 2010, 14:42 pm
@puff:
Nein,nein, nein…
18 Mar 2010, 14:42 pm
@Jinx:
Or at least sell it for some salvage and move to Ruimsig stadium now! Hell 5 000 supporters in a 10000 seater looks and sounds better than 5000 in a 60000 seater.
They could probably buy out ruimsig stadium outright and buy, buy a great team, make it a 15000 seater and have change!
18 Mar 2010, 14:43 pm
So if the Rebels get their wishes and have Bismarck, Jannie and Duanne in their pack with Kockott and Cipriani at halfback, Rod Macqueen will work some magic there.
18 Mar 2010, 14:43 pm
@Jinx:
What Rossouw offers is awesome forward utility value.
He can play number 4 and 5 lock.
He can cover blindside flank and 8th man.
There aren’t many who can do this.
PDV will have a look at Big Joe when the Boks play Wales next.
Of this I am almost certain.
18 Mar 2010, 14:44 pm
@puff:
Getting King Carlos was a daft idea.
18 Mar 2010, 14:45 pm
@puff:
Yes,agree, BUT Father Time is ticking on.
18 Mar 2010, 14:46 pm
@onerb:
18 Mar 2010, 14:46 pm
@Jinx:
Should’ve rather drafted in:
Hanyani Shimange
Willie Wepener
Francois Van Der Merwe (The Dentist – Flip’s brother?)
Big Joe
Marius Joubert
Brent Russell
18 Mar 2010, 14:48 pm
@Jinx:
Can still offer that great utility as a reserve for the 2011 WC.
Bekker will be back up lock at this point and Brussow possibly back up loosie.
So Danie will be there in case of injury.
Who were our back ups at 2007 WC?
Albert Van Den Bergh and Johann Muller.
Would choose Danie over either of them any day of the week.
18 Mar 2010, 14:50 pm
@Oubaas2009:
Jannie Dup is beyond the magic factor. His rugby mojo has gone AWOL for the rest of this lifetime.
18 Mar 2010, 14:51 pm
@Jinx:
All the lion supporters from the surrounds will go and watch there. Guys from Krugersdorp, roodepoort, randburg etc
But that will take balls of steel and no-one at the lions will make such a call.
18 Mar 2010, 14:51 pm
@puff:
You have a good point Puff. To remind me of Uncle Albert VD Berg and Johann Muller has now spoilt my arvie.
18 Mar 2010, 14:52 pm
Mtawarira
Du Plessis
Smit
Bakkies Botha
Matfield
Burger
Smith
Spies
Du Preez
Steyn
Habana
De Villiers
Fourie
JP Pieterson
BJ Botha
Ralepelle
Rossouw
Brussow
Pienaar
Jacobs
I’d say that at this point, barring injury, the players above are PDV’s definites for the 2011 WC.
With:
Van Der Linde
Olivier
Frans Steyn
Potentially in the mix too.
18 Mar 2010, 14:55 pm
And mayb even:
Van Heerden
Van Niekerk
Januarie
18 Mar 2010, 14:56 pm
@puff:
Agree. Just shows the vision up at the top of the Lions.
Zilch!…although I do back Kevin De Klerk to ignite the right gunpowder down the line. As Hennie Le Roux said…the resurrection of Lions rugby will take at least 4 years. Lonely years…
18 Mar 2010, 14:56 pm
@puff: you killing me again with Smit at 3 boet!!
18 Mar 2010, 15:07 pm
@grant10:
Just calling it the way PDV sees it.
I reckon if the Bok brainstrust come to their senses and manage to secure Frans Steyn for first choice fullback come RWC 2011, then PDV will defs take Earl Rose as his back up 15 and cite the fact that Earl has utility value.
But Grant 10, think about it.
A match starts with Mtawarira, Du Plessis and Smit (don’t blow a fuse now – hang on)
and ends with
Smit moving to hooker
And Van Der Linde replacing Beast at 1
And BJ slotting in at 3 with Bizzie going off.
18 Mar 2010, 15:08 pm
@puff:
Ralapelle for another 7 mins in the RWC. Nooooh!
I’d rather have a black nugget painted Tiaan Liebbenberg or The Cheetahs Hooker Strauss. OR even the Bulls reserve hooker …Bandise Maku.
18 Mar 2010, 15:09 pm
Ralepelle will go to RWC 2011 if fit.
No two ways about it.
18 Mar 2010, 15:10 pm
It is how it is gents.
18 Mar 2010, 15:10 pm
Must go dudes… thanks for the gesels…
18 Mar 2010, 15:12 pm
1. Mtawarira
2. Du Plessis
3. Smit
4. Botha
5. Matfield
6. Burger
7. Smith
8. Spies
9. Du Preez
10. M. Steyn
11. Habana
12. JDV
13. Fourie
14. Pieterson
15. F. Steyn
16. Van Der Linde
17. Ralepelle
18. BJ Botha
19. Rossouw
20. Bekker
21. Brussow
22. Van Heerden
23. Van Niekerk
24. Januarie
25. Pienaar
26. Nokwe
27. Olivier
28. Jacobs
29. Mapoe
30. Rose
Could be a lot worse.
Most rugby-playing countries, if not all, would be envious of the depth in this squad.
18 Mar 2010, 15:18 pm
Of course there are question marks over some of these players for a variety of reasons:
Current form
Playing out of position
A PDV favourite despite there being better quality elsewhere in the same position
etc.
But by and large the talent and experience is all there.
18 Mar 2010, 15:19 pm
Okay.
Talking to myself now…
18 Mar 2010, 15:20 pm
@puff: Olivier on current form needs to be in the mix. Even starter ahead of Jean.
18 Mar 2010, 15:23 pm
@puff: I just couldn’t start with the Sharks front row. I would have changed it up last year already – the scrum was getting smashed, and that is never good for a psychological point of view, and getting quality possession.
I am a bit worried that the Boks are on a down hill path, although at the moment it is still flat and that come the world cup, the squad will be in need of new blood which by that stage has not been given a chance to gain experience yet.
18 Mar 2010, 15:31 pm
@WOLFMAN21:
Fair enough.
It’s a valid concern.
It is nice to see some of the newer guys stepping up now though.
A guy like Bekker for instance.
I used to wince when I saw his name ahead of Rossouw’s on the reserve bench.
But now I’d place him ahead of Rossouw myself.
Mtawarira
Smit
BJ Botha
Bakkies Botha
Matfield
Burger
Smith
Spies
Will still do the job come RWC time.
HAPPY NOW GRANT 10?
18 Mar 2010, 15:32 pm
Oh wait, you have Burger issues don’t you?
18 Mar 2010, 15:33 pm
Bench:
Bismark
Van Der Linde
Bekker
Brussow
…
Surely the envy of the rest of the world?
18 Mar 2010, 15:36 pm
@puff: I am happy with that, there is in my opinion a question mark ove Burger. His last 3 games have been his best for a couple of years, and if you keeps playing to this standard, not a problem. If Brussouw comes back alright from his injury and has a good season, perhaps he can slot in?
My replacements for the older players (if necessary) there would be: Smit – Bismarck; Bekker – Matfield; Bakkies – Kruger/current youngster at the Bulls; Burger – Brussouw and hopefully Smith is still going strong.
18 Mar 2010, 15:40 pm
Smit
Botha
Matfield
Rossouw
Burger
Smith
Will all add value at RWC 2011.
As will:
Du Preez
Habana
JDV
Fourie
A lot of these players, if not all of them, will retire from test rugby after the World Cup. So they will give the tournament their all.
Someone like Burger is too good not to return to form, which he is aleady proving.
Plus the new laws suit his game.
In fact, they pretty much make him the ideal loose forward.
The same applies to Francois Louw.
18 Mar 2010, 15:50 pm
@puff: We will see. PDV is going to have to make some tough choices in the next 18 months.
18 Mar 2010, 15:54 pm
@puff: thats better….
but i would not have Burger at 6 if Brussow fit….
and of course being an unsentimental ruthless son of a b….i would have Bissy at 2….
Smit on bench.
18 Mar 2010, 15:55 pm
a lot of water to flow under the bridge still…
18 Mar 2010, 16:02 pm
18 Mar 2010, 16:16 pm
Wikus van der Merwe
18 Mar 2010, 18:37 pm
@puff: Forgot about someone like Dewald Potgieter , haven’t you? He should at the very least be ahead of Joe van Niekerk and Wikus van Heerden, and probably Brussow as well, who might not be matchfit by then.
Furthermore, he is the only other loosie who can play a Schalla type game at 6 and a Smith type game at 7, so he is the logical heir apparent to either of those two for that type of gameplan, plus he brings unique distribution skills and therefor continuity to the table which can only suit PDivvys gameplan.
The remainder of the S14 WILL underline this.
18 Mar 2010, 18:43 pm
Flo in my book is just a little one dimensional. At best he is on par with any one of 10 opensiders in SA as fetcher. He does not have the defensive or attacking skills of Potties.
18 Mar 2010, 18:56 pm
@catleya: uve lost youre min hes no where near as good as brussow ,and those guys are better than him as they have played in so many competitions and against so many oppositions ,by the way jpp and dewald potgiter are the same size and weght,hectic
18 Mar 2010, 19:01 pm
right now if anything happened to spies or Juan smith i wouldnt hesitate for a second…..
i would call on Dewalt Potgieter…..what a player!!
18 Mar 2010, 19:01 pm
@puff: that XV would retain the trophy….
a little too “white” perhaps?
18 Mar 2010, 19:02 pm
@Seven: but then again our soccer team is a little more black than it is coloured…
18 Mar 2010, 19:04 pm
Well thank goodness, another world class player with a million miles on his clock coming to play.
I would like to start the 2010 S14 again.
18 Mar 2010, 19:06 pm
@grant10: Vermulen is Bok quality. After Spies the next best #8 in 2010.
From a Bok perspective – fantastic bench opportunity – plays 7 & 8 and also excellent in line-out and tight.
Seems to be playing much tighter this year, and my only concern is that he seems to have lost a bit of pace.
18 Mar 2010, 19:07 pm
@puff: pt the stronger scrummaging pack at 63
18 Mar 2010, 19:08 pm
@grant10: DWP is a little small, he is betwixt & between – not big enough for 7 (or
and too big for a fetcher 6. Not as hard as Schalk – who is BACK.
18 Mar 2010, 19:08 pm
@Seven: or the stronger scrummaging pack at XV…
18 Mar 2010, 19:08 pm
Ah fok, I hate smileys I don’t even know how to do them.
18 Mar 2010, 19:11 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: is this the real sodajoe??
18 Mar 2010, 19:12 pm
@grant10: Speedy. I am returning to my origins as a statement of racial harmony.
18 Mar 2010, 19:13 pm
I also need to smoke dope to fkn get through a Lions game.
18 Mar 2010, 19:14 pm
And it looks fkn impressive on the Keo boards.
18 Mar 2010, 19:15 pm
I also fancy myself is a clever funny oke.
18 Mar 2010, 19:17 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: who is your soccer team….
i am not convinced!
18 Mar 2010, 19:19 pm
@grant10: Speedy. The Mighty Whites and no other.
Hell time coming up:
Milwall
Norwich
Swindon.
Oi vey.
All 3 in excellent form. The Whites – not so much …..
Another reason to smoke dope.
18 Mar 2010, 19:21 pm
I am standing in solidarity with Skopjah, Transiejah, Rangerjah, Jahzim, and Jah Hit.
But Hondo is Jabba The Hut.
18 Mar 2010, 19:22 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: okay….
i am convinced…
Ja….dope will help the pain…..
i find 2 x prozac s before the 1 st Smit at 3 scrum assists me a great deal.
18 Mar 2010, 19:23 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: LOL
You more of a nutter than ever…..
had a good lunch??
18 Mar 2010, 19:24 pm
@grant10: Me too. But in truth I also feel that Beast is in awful form. He seems to have regressed in scrumming technique too. Interestingly all our Kiwi bloggers called this during the autumn tour.
18 Mar 2010, 19:28 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 95
Ja…..but seriously,i watch those scrums like a hawk….chalk and cheese against Brumbies once smit was subbed …scrums were far more solid….even a few high 5 s seen given by sharks front row after 1 scrum.
Will watch closely Sat….good move by plum…..throwing down the gauntlet to the 2 x du plessis boets….clever.
now they must shape….
18 Mar 2010, 19:31 pm
@grant10: Nah. everyone was going on about race again the other day, how unusual for Keo, but i did this DNA thing with National Geographic and all known DNA originates in Ethiopia, so we are all Ethiopians.
Then I just wanted to have a good time. Jah mon.
18 Mar 2010, 19:32 pm
@puff:
Ugh, No
1. Mtawarira (Been found out & low on confidence)
1. WP Nel
2. Du Plessis
3. Smit (I hate to say it but I hope that he gets seriously injured and goes to the WC as an assistant coach. He’s living on borrowed time and tainting his own good name)
3. Wian Du Preez
4. Botha
5. Matfield
6. Burger
7. Smith
8. Spies
9. Du Preez
10. M. Steyn
11. Habana
12. JDV
13. Fourie
14. Pieterson
15. F. Steyn
16. Van Der Linde
17. Ralepelle (Good God No!)
17. Strauss
18. BJ Botha
19. Rossouw
20. Bekker
21. Brussouw
22. Van Heerden
23. Van Niekerk (Joe? Seriously?)
23. Kankowski
24. Januarie (Like the guy. Good player but just not as good right now as:)
24. Pienaar (As a scrummie but FH bench cover)
25. Grant
26. Nokwe
27. Olivier
28. Jacobs
29. Mapoe
30. Rose (OMFG!)
30. Viljoen
18 Mar 2010, 19:33 pm
@grant10: Lets see. I called a Sharks win, I feel that they are on the edge of turning it around. Jannie Poep will always be pap. Biz can’t scrum really, and as I said Beast is not playing well (and as an aside Guthro is in the form of his life – I have always loved Guthro, but his scrummaging has been very poor the past 3 years).
18 Mar 2010, 19:34 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 97
Well i went for a 3 km jog this afternoon….almost died….no bloody ethiopian genes in this bod i tell you!!
18 Mar 2010, 19:36 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 99 guthro has been fantastic….not sure what he is putting in his cereal but fark me he has scrummed like a demon…..seems ld Gary Botha has taught Guthro and Werner some new tricks.
18 Mar 2010, 19:36 pm
@YoMama: WP Nel is a tighthead 3, and Wian Du Preez is a loosehead 1.
We have 2 very good looseheads in form – Wian & Guthro. Besat would be exceptional player for last 20.
BJ Botha is the best 3, but someone out of Beer Belly Nel, Big Boy Buys needs to step up. Smitty was never good enough to play 3.
18 Mar 2010, 19:37 pm
@YoMama: 98
smit at 3….dont spoil my evening boet!!
18 Mar 2010, 19:37 pm
@grant10: J a that Bulls unit is very good. And as someone who was made to eat his words regarding Morne Steyn, Gary Botha looks to be doing the same – is it my imagination but he has got a lot bigger?
18 Mar 2010, 19:39 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: wp nel has been poor this super 14….
Brock has been a rock…
but werner Kruger has really stepped up.
Watch this new kid Wiehahn Herbst for the sharks soda….a real 3….all scrum and very dumb….
just like a 3 should be!!
18 Mar 2010, 19:40 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 104
For sure he has got bigger….seems to have matured a lot.
Perhaps it should be compulsory for our tight 5 okes to spend a year or 2 in europe…
18 Mar 2010, 19:46 pm
@grant10:
Read more carefully, my point exactly.
18 Mar 2010, 19:47 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: I reckon he just might be a little harder than your holy Schalk, and your views on size is just a bunch of ****. If any of that hogwash was true guys like Brussow and George Smith and Phil Waugh would never have played and Potties is a darn sight bigger than them in any case.
18 Mar 2010, 19:51 pm
@catleya: I agree with you 100%….
Soda has been smoking his socks….
dont worry…..lets see who gets this prediction right….Dewalt will be at wc 2011 and lead boks thereafter….matter of time.Smit already on a slippery slope…
18 Mar 2010, 19:51 pm
@YoMama: 107
Be more sec ific bud….you losing me here?
18 Mar 2010, 20:01 pm
@catleya: Catfish. If anyone on this site is a bigger fan of Brussow The Diamond or Stegmann son of Phil Waugh I would like to know it. I have little reagrd for size realtive to position and ability.
I think Dewalt is too small for a blindside flank, I like my inside centers to be big and fast like Jamie Roberts, I like my wings to be very fast fullbacks.
Predilection.
Actually regrading Schalk Burger I have certainly been crucified by more than most regarding my opinion of his form last year, and my opinion that he should play 7. This year he’s playing bloody well.
I also like my rugby pundits to be somewhat objective.
18 Mar 2010, 20:02 pm
specific@grant10:
18 Mar 2010, 20:03 pm
puff has lost his marbles. These okes want to take Jake The Funny Fake’s team intact to the Wc 2011
Let them take
Beast
Bismark
Smit
Botha
Matfield
Burger
Smith
Spies
Fdp
Steyn
Habana
Jdv
Fourie
Jpp
Steyn
Steenkamp
BJ
Bekker
Roussow
Pienaar
Januarie
Olivier
Thats about as close you’ll get to 2007 team projected to 2011
I’m ready to bet that team won’t get past the semi’s and will run out of gas and get exposed.
Play those dead beat hero’s I dare you, cos then you on a hiding to nothing and we gonna lose.
18 Mar 2010, 20:04 pm
@grant10: What?? Rubbish boet. If anything I have always said that Dewalt is overrated. Very good but behind a large number of 7′s in my book:
Juan Smith
Schalk Burger
Flo
Jean Deysel (although not this year)
Willem Alberts (conjecture – he needs to play more there, but I ssupect he has the goods).
But that channel is very physical, and requires some strong scrummaging support.
18 Mar 2010, 20:06 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 111
jA….bRUSSOW Is a mighty loss….
steggmann and brussow still the classic opensiders….
schalk has been very good….still looks and plays like a 7….
dewalt is the rolls royce….more brains and guile than all of them….
and tough as nails…leaves deysel in the dust!
18 Mar 2010, 20:07 pm
@grant10: I can’t believe some of these okes. They’ll throw an up and coming youngster away for two has beens that couldn’t cut it two years ago already and ran away overseas, and are only returning to get onto the WC gravytrain in the hope of increasing their market value should we win, like most of the senior guys in the Bok team and will all run away after money post WC.
Respect to FdP for the way he has done his thing. Very few of the rest could afford to do the same though because they have some serious competition suddenly- maybe Victor and Bakkies could as well Habs and Fourie, but the rest are all sleeping a little more restless with every passing night.
If I were PDivvy I would start my succession planning before the WC and not after, cause he just might be left rather thin overnight afterwards if he doesn’t. To my mind that will be his biggest challenge.
18 Mar 2010, 20:07 pm
@grant10: You know who is bloody fantastic this year – Coenie Oosthuizen. In the unfortunate position of being behind Wian in the pecking order, but man he’s good.
We are currently blessed with 5 very good looseheads (sorry none wearing a Stormers jersey):
Guthro
Wian
Coenie
Heinke
Beast
Coenie should convert to a hooker. How scary would that be?
Guthro
Coenie
Buys (ok I just chose him because he’s a huge scary motherfkr)
18 Mar 2010, 20:09 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 114
No bud…..disagree….Dewalt imakes more tackles…more offloads….is a banker in the lineout….has loads of brains….seriously talented….
Juan Smith is a hardened veteran….and a legend. But if he pulls a hammie….i would call dewalt!
18 Mar 2010, 20:12 pm
@grant10: On current for Deysel is not playing well.
On current form Dewalt Potgieter has hardly played.
So …
Flo vs DwP – I will take Flo.
Juan Smith vs DwP – I will take Juan.
Vermulen vs DwP – I would take Vermulen
Schalk vs DwP – I would take Schalk (new law interpretations are playing well to his strengths as a 6 though).
18 Mar 2010, 20:12 pm
@catleya: 116
This is a HUGE year for PDV…he needs to stamp his authority and make some helleva tough calls….its going to be tough on the oke….either way he is going to be unpopular.
Succession plan must start vs wales…..no time left to procrastinate….
some players need to do some honest introspection too….or as skop has just said….semi at best!
18 Mar 2010, 20:13 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: LOL
You and your converting of players!
But hell that would be a bloody scary front row!
18 Mar 2010, 20:14 pm
@grant10: Juan’s biggest risk has always been concussion, and I think he really needs to be careful.
But sorry – I disagree with you about DwP. Not that I think he’s a kak player, just not the best 7 or 6. Betwixt & between.
He’s good in the line because he’s so light they sommer throw him in the air.
18 Mar 2010, 20:14 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 119
Okay…lets wait and see how super 14 develops.
18 Mar 2010, 20:15 pm
@skopskiet: I’m glad to see the old Skoppie back. I agree 100 percent. Everybody forgets there are still 2 s14′s, a CC, a trinations and an EOY tour to get past before WC. How many of the outoppies are gonna be around and in top form come next year?
18 Mar 2010, 20:15 pm
@grant10: Bogger off. I HATE converting players as you know. ******* son of a speedophile.I have stood by your side for a while. Ok not quite – I think Ruan is a better 10 than 9.
But I think that a loosehead to hooker is not too much of a stretch.
18 Mar 2010, 20:16 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: LOL
No soda…i cant take you serious with that new nic….cmon…go back to the old one boet….
Dewalt is so damn good he can play at 6,7 or 8….a bit like BOB….except a bit less flashy….
18 Mar 2010, 20:21 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 125
LOL
Problem is those props cant aim lekker in the lineouts bud….they all skeef and over the top…
18 Mar 2010, 20:24 pm
Bye everyone gotta go. See you through the window.
18 Mar 2010, 20:24 pm
@catleya: 124
We may lose a clutch of 2007 players before wc 2011….
Thats why i am relieved okes like Andries Bekker, Dewalt and a few others look classy enough to make the step up….and it is vital that we trust these okes with starts in major internationals in 2010….so they can really mould into bok set up.
18 Mar 2010, 20:24 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: cheers
18 Mar 2010, 20:25 pm
Here’s my 2011 squad. I’ve just gone for two players in every position, as some of these okes offer versatility. I have not taken into account race as I do not feel that should ever be a factor.
1. Beast/ Guthro
2. Smit/ Bismarck
3. BJ/ Werner Kruger
4. Bakkies/ Danie
5. Vic/ Bekker
6. Schalk/ Heinrich
7. Juan/ Pottie
8. Spies/ Vermuelen
9. Du Preez/ Pienaar
10. Morne/ Grant
11. Habana/ Kankowski —- seriously think we should try this
12. JDV/ Olivier
13. Fourie/ De Jongh (Jacobs is SHITE)
14. Pieterson/ Mapoe
15. Frans/ Kirchner
Let me know your thoughts guys and girls….
Cheers
18 Mar 2010, 20:26 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: On current form Potties is the best 7 in this country as G10 says. Only reason PDivvy is hanging on to Juan Smith is his experience, and nobody can argue with that. You are obviously a size man like ol’ Jake the Fake.
Flo is too one-dimensional, Duanne is too slow, you watch it, right about now Schalla will be starting to look over his shoulder, because the blond guillotine is coming through! And by the way you’re living in the past- Potties has put in some work in the gym from the looks of it, and it is telling, if you ask me.
Just you watch this sp!ot
18 Mar 2010, 20:32 pm
@schalla: not bad my man…..give or take 3 or 4 changes…imo
18 Mar 2010, 20:32 pm
@schalla: not many one can argue about schalla , good squad
18 Mar 2010, 20:34 pm
@catleya: hiyas cat , who is flo??
18 Mar 2010, 20:38 pm
SHARKS_LOVER : Flo is Francois Louw the Stormers number 7.
Grant who would you include/ exclude from that squad?
18 Mar 2010, 20:44 pm
@schalla: schalla….i would take Juandre Kruger in place of D Rossouw….i think Juandre will prove himself over next year….
Also Nokwe in place of Kanko…
CJ VD Linde in place of werner…
januarie in place of Ruan
otherwise i am about 100% with you.
Of course i am not convinced Smit will last 18 months….g botha would be my other hooker if he didnt make it.
18 Mar 2010, 20:47 pm
1. Beast/ Guthro
2. Smit/ Bismarck
3. BJ/ Werner Kruger
4. Bakkies/ Danie
5. Vic/ Bekker
6. Schalk/ Heinrich
7. Juan/ Pottie
8. Spies/ Vermuelen
9. Du Preez/ Pienaar
10. Morne/ Grant
11. Habana/ Kankowski —- seriously think we should try this
12. JDV/ Olivier
13. Fourie/ De Jongh (Jacobs is SHITE)
14. Pieterson/ Mapoe
15. Frans/ Kirchner
Its a good squad
I’d consider the following
Heinke/Oosthuizen
Liebenberg
Flip
Flo
Duvenhage
Le Grange
Viljoen
18 Mar 2010, 20:48 pm
@schalla: That is my squad of 30 that I would back for WC2011, even Kanko @ 14. If we need another extra hooker I’d go Adriaan Strauss, another scrummie F.Hougard, another prop CJ, another lock Flippie vd Merwe, another loosie Stegmann, another utility back Joe Peterson.
One can’t see things much different to this on merit, but the rainbow might be a little pale.
18 Mar 2010, 20:49 pm
stuff to do ….cheers all
SL…stop your **** …and your hustling for RT….dont disgrace your name even more!!
outta here
18 Mar 2010, 20:52 pm
GRANT : Good point about CJ I forgot about him. Agree though he’s a fantastic addition.
Don’t know much about Juandre to be honest but given the reviews (and especially from you ) I’m looking forward to seeing him in action.
The Kankowski thing you’re probably right on but could be an interesting experiment..The SA Lomu? or would that be Spies?
The Januarie call is tough but Ruan is just too talented not to be there- especially in his preferred position.
RE Smit – if he Doesn’t go the distance I’d be more inclined towards Tiaan or even Strauss to be honest.
18 Mar 2010, 20:53 pm
137. grant:
Please…Gary Botha is pedestrian.
On the BIL tour last year John Smit was ferocious, maybe a little out of form at the mo but he will be back in time for the WC – class will come through
18 Mar 2010, 20:54 pm
@skopskiet: Can’t complain about your backups. None of them would let the team down, neither would Juandre Kruger. Funny how the team kinda picks itself if you put aside the bs prejudice. Great team Schalla!
18 Mar 2010, 20:55 pm
CATLEYA : I agree with all your additions except for Hougaard as backup 9. He has the talent but hasn’t had the exposure at 9 in the S14.
With regards to the “rainbow”- 7 of my original 30 were (and I DETEST this term) players of colour. What would be the satisfactory number?
18 Mar 2010, 20:56 pm
138. skopskiet:
I like your idea of Kanko on the wing but not to replace Habs. I would rather use him to light a fire under JPP’s arse.
18 Mar 2010, 20:58 pm
SKOPPIE : Good backups for sure. My only concern is that Coenie doesn’t get the gametime his talent needs, although I can’t really think of any franchise where he’d be first choice loosehead….?
18 Mar 2010, 21:00 pm
Liebenberg far better bet than Strauss
Liebenberg got the full package of tight and loose
Strauss will get shunted in tight games, and plays too loose in loose games.
Liebenberg is perhaps even a better conventional hooker than Bismark, and Smit is just too overweight at the mo. 123 kgs is way too heavy for a mobile hooker.
18 Mar 2010, 21:07 pm
Random question guys, would you consider taking Frans Hougaard as a wing?
18 Mar 2010, 21:09 pm
@schalla:
not for me.
not when we have the likes of mapoe, chavanga etc available
18 Mar 2010, 21:10 pm
I’m not a Kankowski fan
I’d sooner leave him out, unless played at wing I don’t see a place for him
No. 8 should be a choice between Spies with Vermeulen backing up
Right wing should go to JPP and then its a choice between Mapoe or Van den Heever as back up.
Left wing is Habana and Nokwe territory.
Little Joe Pietersen is playing out his socks and probably better all round FB than Kirchner, but perhaps too early to make that call to international level. I like Viljoen, I think he’ll come good at 15, another Frans Steyn in the making.
So if you take the promising backs
Viljoen, Kirchner, F. Steyn
JPP, Mapoe, Van den Heever,
Habana, Nokwe, Basson,
De Jongh, Fourie, Jacobs
Jdv, Olivier, Le Grange,
M.Steyn, Grant, Pienaar
Fdp, Duvenhage, S. Pretorius, Hougaard
Thats 22 backs for 7 places, enough for 3 teams and thats without including Kankowski.
18 Mar 2010, 21:12 pm
CHARO : Yeah I suppose you have a fair point.
Catleya has a point as well though. He’s really talented and should somehow be a part of a 30 man squad I reckon.
18 Mar 2010, 21:16 pm
@schalla:
the guy is one helluva prospect.
great talent and attitude.
reckon he will be the next bok scrummie after fdp
18 Mar 2010, 21:17 pm
@grant10: stfu you f8687 moron
and when in jhb you little ars creeping whimp come say it to my face
ur a waste of human skin
18 Mar 2010, 21:17 pm
@charo: charo good day mate hows you doing up north?
18 Mar 2010, 21:19 pm
@sharks_lover: 153
Oh dont worry…i will…gladly.
18 Mar 2010, 21:20 pm
@grant10: dont talk it prick , do it
18 Mar 2010, 21:20 pm
SHARKS_LOVER : Why the aggro towards Grant? Let’s stay calm and just keep talking about rugby I think.
You reckon we’ll beat the ‘Landers this weekend?
18 Mar 2010, 21:21 pm
@grant10: and stfy further , i dont need your little chirps ,
ill not waste a min further on an ignorant wanker like you
18 Mar 2010, 21:22 pm
@schalla: schalla uhm know the history first mate
enough said
as for the game schalla i dont think we will win no
i think to many changes made from a team thats already unsettled
18 Mar 2010, 21:23 pm
Meanwhile…back at the ranch….
Carol submits her super 14 predictions!!
Is this fight club tonight btw?
Boy’s please…..
18 Mar 2010, 21:23 pm
@schalla: i have the sharks losing by 3
18 Mar 2010, 21:24 pm
@carol: hiyas carol hun how ru doing??
18 Mar 2010, 21:24 pm
@carol: you should be happy your team is flying high
18 Mar 2010, 21:25 pm
SHARKS_LOVER : Lots of changes but I think theyre good ones. The Du Plessis bro’s will fire up because theyre both starting together. Lambie will have a point to prove as its his debut and hes a talent.
Daniel > Botes…imo
Mvovo should play ahead of Stefan though
18 Mar 2010, 21:27 pm
@sharks_lover: Doing fine until I saw two bloggers I like tearing chunks out of each other!!
The Bulls are a ray of sunshine though and I am glad the Stormers are really beginning to find their feet again too.
Is it The Sharks week this week? I hope so….
Now, we just need The Lions to get themselves ‘organised’ a bit!!
18 Mar 2010, 21:27 pm
@schalla: lambie is a huge talent schalla
as for mvovo i feel plumtree didnt want to play lambie and mvovo and have 2 juniors at the back
thus the stefan on the wing to help lambie gel in and also help calm him
18 Mar 2010, 21:28 pm
@sharks_lover:
i’m ok thanks.
seems you taking a bit of stress at the moment?
would like to suggest rather ignore bloggers that you don’t like.
soda joe is that type of blogger – well mostly
otherwise you just feed the ulcer
18 Mar 2010, 21:29 pm
@carol: sorry carol but i wont sit back being trashed for also blogging on another site
and if i want to invite others to also blog there it has nothing to do with them , they over value their little opinions and ego’s
to me they nothing more then a zero on a contract
18 Mar 2010, 21:29 pm
SHARKS_LOVER : Good point. 2 rookies at the back could be a disaster.
How far away is Ludik from being fit?
18 Mar 2010, 21:30 pm
@charo: lol true charo but trust me no ulcer here
for the most i do , actually today broke my own rules
18 Mar 2010, 21:31 pm
@schalla: not sure mate
it seemed all was going fine till he pulle up in the game against the wpxv
18 Mar 2010, 21:31 pm
SL tell me something, you such a windgat over on your schmuckaby club, you carry on like a moegoe over there also, or you reserve such windgat big breek tendencies for only when you come vent your spleen over here? They let you gaan aan like that in your tooth fairy back slap community, or its only when you come show your true colors over here?
18 Mar 2010, 21:32 pm
since we are commenting on the sharks team on this lions thread……i think plum has been quite astute here.
1. giving lambie a go but with the security of grandpa nearby
2. letting the dup bros get their way…and see if they sink or swim
18 Mar 2010, 21:33 pm
@schalla: also the reason smit is on the bench is because he twisted an ankle and they felt it better he rested and will only play if needed
news is it has heeled far quicker than expected
18 Mar 2010, 21:34 pm
@charo: Schalla, I agree with charo. Same reason for including Joe Peterson. The oke is versatile, has a Bok blazer, is apparently the heir apparent to FdP, so why not give him the exposure, even if only the culture.
18 Mar 2010, 21:35 pm
@charo: true thats why i know playing stefan is the right move
in smitties case charou its because of a niggle
what i find strange is that the trio of deysel kanko and alberts has not ben tried
i know however plum feels we have to have a speedy 6
18 Mar 2010, 21:36 pm
@sharks_lover: Usually me that gets charged with that!!
Being a PR person for RT?
18 Mar 2010, 21:40 pm
@carol: lol carol
my own fault actually carol i know better then to argue with their sought
i do normally just ignore whatever they post
but i will now
18 Mar 2010, 21:42 pm
whats the case with RT actually, are they just too quiet for comfort, maybe their big fat grandiose defection has fallen flat on its overrated face, is this the reason all their stalwarts come here looking to soft soap for converts, or to try get other bloggers to get banned from here?
18 Mar 2010, 21:44 pm
@carol: i saw rudi last week , he soughted something on my lap top for me
next week i told him to get his golf clubs out , its rusting
18 Mar 2010, 21:45 pm
@sharks_lover:
kanko is the game breaker in the sharks at the moment.
would playing both alberts and deysel help him get open field ball?
maybe…..but i acknowledge that plum knows one hell of a lot more about rugby than i do
18 Mar 2010, 21:48 pm
@charo: only reason i think it would work better charou is because the rules make for fetching to slower, cleaning out rucks are now more in play
this means a kanko can play off stronger ball carriers
but yeah i agree plum knows more this is why i dont harp on it
18 Mar 2010, 21:52 pm
@skopskiet:
Big chip on your shoulder hey…
Sad actually …
18 Mar 2010, 21:53 pm
hiyas blouste
18 Mar 2010, 21:53 pm
@sharks_lover: How is he doing?
A walk on the golf course should be good for both of you!
Especially if you have a bet on the side!
18 Mar 2010, 21:54 pm
@sharks_lover:
Hey boet.
Fancy you team to go all the way this weekend…
18 Mar 2010, 21:54 pm
@skopskiet: Skop…I would hate you to be banned…just for the record!!
18 Mar 2010, 21:55 pm
@carol: lol he doing fine ty hun
we visit quite a bit now
he a very nice person
18 Mar 2010, 21:55 pm
@carol:
Hi Carol…
You well?
18 Mar 2010, 21:56 pm
@Blouste: eish i hope so blouste , but i know the house of pain is just that
not everyday you go there and win
but hope yeah lol
18 Mar 2010, 21:56 pm
@Blouste: Hiya Blouste…Have done my picks…!!
18 Mar 2010, 21:58 pm
bulls to win comfortably tomorrow carol
bulls are playing with huge heart this year
18 Mar 2010, 21:59 pm
@sharks_lover: 188 – I know !!
18 Mar 2010, 21:59 pm
Yes …gotto go and do mine now…
Still have’nt made up my mind…:lol:
18 Mar 2010, 22:00 pm
@carol:
carol, there is no way that any administrator would have the guts to ban skoppie.
there would be a riot on keo – especially from us “more mature” bloggers
18 Mar 2010, 22:00 pm
@Blouste: Hi Blouste, have just spent the day at The Races…All well thanks!
Hoping I can get some good Justin TV coverage this weekend, we have got the last of the 6 Nations too!
18 Mar 2010, 22:00 pm
i have bulls by 20
stormers by 8
18 Mar 2010, 22:01 pm
@sharks_lover: I will miss any Friday matches….Now our company has blocked the internet access too…Aarghhhh!!
Imagine that!
18 Mar 2010, 22:02 pm
charou mate so not being prepared to take his insults make us immature?
18 Mar 2010, 22:02 pm
@charo: Charo, in my early days Skop was always being banned!!
Roy must have got used to him now!
18 Mar 2010, 22:03 pm
@carol: lol
guess you better find a way to get off work and go watch somewhere
18 Mar 2010, 22:03 pm
@skopskiet: Speak to me you grumpy old git!
18 Mar 2010, 22:05 pm
well carol catch you 2morrow im off
wanna go do another article for 2morrow
tc maam stay safe ciao
18 Mar 2010, 22:07 pm
good night charo
18 Mar 2010, 22:07 pm
Anyway, off to make my picks.
Enjoy guys and lady…
Spek tomorrow during the first game maybe…
Ciao…
18 Mar 2010, 22:08 pm
nighters blouste take care mate
18 Mar 2010, 22:09 pm
@sharks_lover: See you Sharkie…
You know my Bloggers Party Guest list would be a disaster, all the bloggers I really like just hate each other!!
Interesting really…I would have a great time until the fights started!
18 Mar 2010, 22:10 pm
@Blouste: See you too Blouste..
GO BULLS….
18 Mar 2010, 22:10 pm
Speak…*****
18 Mar 2010, 23:08 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia: 92 ‘jah hit’
seriously tho, will the real sodajah please stand up?
19 Mar 2010, 00:05 am
@catleya: Dude you obvioulsy don’t watch that much rugby. “On current form” – Dewalt Potgieter has been injured.
Flo “one-dimensional”? Fk I obviously know buggerall about rugby.
19 Mar 2010, 00:13 am
@charo: 181. Deysel at 6 & Alberts at 7 will enable Ryan to really do well. BUT when your scrum is pap, no 8′th man can really perform to true potential. That’s the flaw.
I have Sharks for a win by the way.
19 Mar 2010, 00:14 am
@Big Hit: OK. But someone has to make a stand for peace love and Haile Selassie.
19 Mar 2010, 00:16 am
@carol: Well I like to drink. I have excellent taste in rock n roll. I know about cheese. I am a handsome devil from Johannesburg via the snowy wastelands of Northern America.
I know not to lick lampposts – even in summer.
I think I would be an excellent guest.
19 Mar 2010, 00:17 am
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia:
surely the 2 burly boys at 6 & 7 will make the scrum less pap – and give kanko a chance at open play?
how much quicker is keegan anyway?
19 Mar 2010, 00:21 am
@SodaJoe: 214 – Soda, you would be most welcome, actually I would probably need you as the mediator/ bouncer!
Imagine Rugby Talkers on the right of the room and Keo’ites hovering on the left…..Where would the ‘wetalkrugby’ Lions fans stand do you suppose!
Are you the Lion of Ethopia btw? Or is it someone blogging in the ‘style’ of Soda
19 Mar 2010, 00:22 am
@charo: I agree. And it’s a thing that some doffies don’t get – #7 has to be able to scrum to balance the bleddy ship, but whatever.
Yes.
It will. But you can’t stop a back pedalling scrum from the side.
God bless Bakkies Botha.
(And Flip v d Merwe is now better than Oom Danie at that. Sykes not bad. Jiandre Kruger is referenced a lot – I’ve never seen him play).
19 Mar 2010, 00:25 am
look its very simple, let me break it down, if you dont value schalk burger and john smit, you know f-all about anything.
19 Mar 2010, 00:25 am
@carol: Nah. I am The Lion Of Ethiopia. Jah mon. Someone needs to take the wind out of the sails of the black and white moron racists.
We’re all Ethiopian. But only I am The Lion.
The whole RT/Keo thing is pathetic. Who cares. People can hang out with whoever they want in my book.
There are jerks on both sites.
I like more here. And god forbid I got even more distracted from making a living.
19 Mar 2010, 00:27 am
@cab: Cabernet. On form Schalk is back & the new interpretations of the laws are playing to his strengths.
John Smit is over-weight, out of form and a rubbish 3.
Bloody argumentative Parisian baguette you are.
19 Mar 2010, 00:28 am
@cab: And anyway I know about cheese, wine, cider, whisky, bourbon, Campari, moonshine.
I also know NEVER to lick a lamppost – especially in a Minnesota winter, but summer is not good either.
19 Mar 2010, 00:29 am
@SodaJoe:
damm fools dont know their arse from their elbow.
why you think the stormers win when he plays, its almost as simple as 2+2 and yet these midget lovers gaan aan en aan.
19 Mar 2010, 00:30 am
@SodaJoe:
so whats the difference between whiskey, scotch and bourbon – and do you smaak n klippie en coke?
19 Mar 2010, 00:33 am
@cab: Cabernet. Last year he was lousy and completely outshone by Brussow the Diamond. And teh Stormers were kak too.
This year, boy is playing bloody well, and if anyone says he can’t link he knows bogger all too.
Smitty is being oushone by every front ranker in world rugby except Jannie Poep.
19 Mar 2010, 00:35 am
@cab:
Whiskey – Irish.
Scotch – Whisky
Bourbon – Barley/Rye Whiskey aged in barrels – originally sent down Mississipi to New Orleans (Bourbon) in casks.
All good.
Brandy – not so much. With Coke, not so much. Actually never.
19 Mar 2010, 00:36 am
@cab:
must say, irish whiskey does it for me.
bourbon probably the bottom of the list – perhaps you have to acquire a taste for it?
cheers boys – keep well
19 Mar 2010, 00:37 am
@SodaJoe:
Brussouw is awesome, but i still take a side with Schalk Burger in it any day of the week, tho i agree he is outstanding competition.
Smit will only improve, like Os in his golden days, he offers more than just scrumming, which is especially important in the high intensity rugby played down south which is where the world cup in 2011 will be played. most okes are doff and single-minded, they still thinking primary functions, they need to skrik wakker and open their dof koppe. in the NH, i agree with you tho, there its horses for courses, and you play BJ.
19 Mar 2010, 00:39 am
@charo: Charo – different kinds. But most are fuller bodied and “sweeter”. Think of it in terms of “varietals”. Always nice to mix it up.
**** Creek is a nice small step up. But Jack is always good.
19 Mar 2010, 00:40 am
both brussow and burger get stuck into anything, the difference is brussow has to disrupt with skill, whereas burger is just mayhem and you got a real problem handling mayhem ek se.
19 Mar 2010, 00:41 am
@cab: Actually I am quite pleased with the talent available at the moment:
In order:
Loosehead: Guthro/Wian/Coenie Oosthuizen/Heinke/Beast/CJ (But CJ unbeatable bench option)
Hooker: Bismark (when not braindead)/Liebenberg/Smit/Strauss
Tighthead: BJ/WP Nel/ Kevin Buys
19 Mar 2010, 00:42 am
@charo:
oh right, i thought it was the scottish stuff that was boss. SDtodders will surely prefer the kiwi whiskey.
19 Mar 2010, 00:43 am
@cab: Schalk has looked more than skilful this year.
The new tackle interpretations require more bulk to tackle, let go, snaffle. The 3 steps need bigger okes. Flo is also beddy good in this regard.
Mayhem nearly got Schalk banned for the season 2 games ago – klapping a Kiwi/Aussie ref and he was done.
19 Mar 2010, 00:44 am
@cab: By the way – the new big Whisky deal is Japanese whisky and by all accounts they are really starting to do some cool ****.
No jokes.
19 Mar 2010, 00:45 am
@SodaJoe:
ja some very good players coming thru, cheetahs looking good, but they also their own enemies, i think old frans verster is not the sharpest knife in the draw, wtf are they paying mapoe 200K for? it almost like cotton-picken wages. am afraid those okes better come right otherwise they lose another talented player just when they looking good.
19 Mar 2010, 00:47 am
@cab: Mapoe is the real deal. For sure.
But he’s very young, and he can be fed up and trained up. Long career ahead of him. And a lot of these young black kids have not had the nutritional advantages that stand them in good stead – who was that fast bowler, can’t remember his name.
19 Mar 2010, 00:48 am
@SodaJoe:
he actually passes very well, most dont notice or it evades that heavily rutted koppe.
but i still like it when he just does the big bosh and then again and again. they somehow think the game should be played by the pinball wizards, if you want brains, go play chess.
this is why you know not to lick the lamppost in a minnesota winter.
as for our lions, they must surely shoot that arme ou leeu, its getting worse and worse…
19 Mar 2010, 00:50 am
@SodaJoe:
ja that fast bowler looked very promising, but delicate. mapoe is tough, they must pay him or go back down to bottom of league.
19 Mar 2010, 00:52 am
wtf happened to winning ways and the Lions?
actually winning ways knows exactly what to do, the problem is the Lions dont appear to have the budget he knows is needed.
19 Mar 2010, 00:53 am
@cab: Ag boet. I knew it would be bad, but I really didn’t expect to see the rubbish we’re seeing.
Fortunately being in Minnesota helps.
Anyway old friend, nice to see you and talk. I always enjoy it.
Hope to see you soon.
At least through the window.
Au revoir.
19 Mar 2010, 00:57 am
later soda
19 Mar 2010, 07:05 am
cab
you gotta be the most sentimental tunnel visioned 1 eyed old git on keo.
Why dont you call F Pienaar out of retirement, and while you at it i hear Morne du plessis can still jog, call him too.
NO ONE disputes Smits status as a leader and his overall contribution to bok rugby….but that dont change the point that to attempt to win a WC with a reverse gear turbo boosted useless tighthead makes no sense at all…..
that doesent make the overwhelming majority of saffas who are having serious doubts and reservations , idiots or dof or any of the other descriptions you arrive at.
perhaps it makes you those words you throw about with such *** abandon.
maybe you are , like Big Hit, a 007 undercover agent trying to lull us saffas into believing the scrums are superfulous…..
well…try and try and try again….we not stupid !
19 Mar 2010, 08:49 am
@grant10: So then Grant10, we agree that John should be the hooker for WC2011?
19 Mar 2010, 12:52 pm
@SodaJoe: Ngam – what a talent, sadly let down by poor childhood nutrition
19 Mar 2010, 13:54 pm
@Richie_7: 242
Only of he proves better than Bissy,G Botha and T Liebenberg…
19 Mar 2010, 15:28 pm
@SodaJah The Lion Of Ethiopia:
He came on for 20 minutes vs the Tahs before the bye and immediately made a huge impact.
His continuity game and defence were patently evident to anyone who wanted to see in his 60 minutes vsthe Landers. He made the tries for WO and Spies simply by in both cases straightening, taking the contact and passing. Any of the other top loosies in SA, especially Juan Smith, would have tried to go the extra yard on the carry and the continuity would have been lost. Also with the first try of Gary Botha he was up in support on the inside. All of that was great, but most impressive for me was his defence. Huge.
Personally one of my loosies will always have to be continuity players with strong defence. There are other guys to make the carries, like Spies and the locks- not that Potties doesn’t. He just knows when to pass and let the team score in stead of going for personal glory. Nothing wrong with that!
19 Mar 2010, 15:32 pm
@catleya: 245
yES….100% CORRECT….
More brains than any other loosie in SA.
19 Mar 2010, 16:18 pm
@catleya:& @grant10:
Potgieter is HIGHLY overrated. Ask any S14 coach, who they would rather play against: Potgieter or Stegmann, Potgieter or Brussow, Potgieter or Schalk, Potgieter or Juan Smith? I would bet you they’d say Potgieter everytime.
19 Mar 2010, 16:21 pm
This seems a bit like a band-aid for a bullet wound. That said, maybe Wikus’s leadership and experience might just help them settle a bit. And who knows, they might just finally turn the corner.
19 Mar 2010, 16:26 pm
@Johnny7: 247
Not sure about that….but iif i ever get the chance i will ask them.
Till then you just speculating?
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