All Blacks lose duo
21 Jun 2010
Israel Dagg and Anthony Boric are unlikely to feature in the All Blacks’ second Test against Wales in Hamilton on Saturday.
Fullback Dagg suffered a concussion as his head hit the turf during a tackle in the All Blacks’ 42-9 win against Wales in Dunedin last weekend while lock Boric is nursing a fracture in his cheekbone as he clashed heads with hooker Keven Mealamu.
Sam Whitelock is expected to partner Brad Thorn is the second row as Boric’s replacement while Cory Jane or Mils Muliaina will come in for Dagg. If Jane gets the nod at No 15, then Zac Guildford or Richard Kahui will start at wing. Pivot Daniel Carter is expected to sit out training earlier this week to rest a minor calf injury but is set to start this weekend.
‘I think they [Dagg and Boric] will both struggle to play next week, particularly Israel who is not very well,’ Henry told stuff.co.nz.
Meanwhile, captain Richie McCaw, who succeeded Tana Umaga in 2006, became the All Blacks’ most successful skipper with the win in Dunedin as he broke Sean Fitzpatrick’s record.
‘It’s an incredible feat, to win 39 out of 45 games as captain is phenomenal,’ Henry said.
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21 Jun 2010, 11:37 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-48:
That should keep the natives quiet for a minute or two Blackie.
21 Jun 2010, 11:42 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-48: I’ll say it again:
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-48: Well I got to your 1st error and stopped reading: “Flight to Brizzy (5hrs flight: +2hrs). 1 match. 2 week break.”
5 September 2009
Suncorp Stadium (Lang Park), Brisbane
Tri-Nations Match
12 September 2009
Waikato Stadium, Hamilton
Tri-Nations Match
Please start over for me, factually this time.
21 Jun 2010, 11:44 am
Black Pants
What are you moaning about?
Travel?
Next time we will make you take the bus from Bloem to Durbs.
By way of Beaufort West.
That will learn you.
21 Jun 2010, 11:51 am
In reality it goes like this:
NZ Eden Park to Bloem to Durbs all in a row (hectic and hard, but over in 2 weeks). Then 2 weeks break. Then a test vs Aus in Sydney. Then another 2 weeks off, before getting ready for your last 2 matches at home.
In summary you started the 3N with a tough schedule, but only ever played 3 games in a row once and had 2 nice breaks. Also you only stayed in Africa for 2 weeks.
SA 3 games in a row at home. Then 2 weeks rest. 2 games in Aus and a game in Hamilton all in a row.
Summary only team to play 3 games in a row twice. Stayed in Australasia for 3 weeks. It was an unusually tough tour for NZ, but still easier than the average SA 3N schedule.
Aus had the perfect schedule, I don’t think anyone can deny this. They still came last.
21 Jun 2010, 11:53 am
@Panzer Chief(caned 3-0)-51: That should keep you boys quite. Fact is always stranger than your fiction.
21 Jun 2010, 12:01 pm
NZ only traveled once through a timezone the week before a game (yes, it was a big one), we traveled twice through timezones the week of a game (smaller ones). So seems even there. But we played 3 consecutive games twice to your one and had a longer tour at the other end of the world, so I guess that makes our schedule harder.
BTW, I did say before the 3N that the 1st 2 tests in SA, NZ would struggle. I guess, once again all I can say is: I told you so.
This year NZ has a great schedule. Back to normal, not even close. You see, it all comes down to the fact that every second year you guys only play 1 game in Africa, whilst we play 3 games in Australasia EVERY year. So in the law of averages, we get screwed.
21 Jun 2010, 12:02 pm
And then an eerie silence descended over the Keo NZ thread….
21 Jun 2010, 12:08 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-57: simple… go play in the NH then..
21 Jun 2010, 12:08 pm
……THREAD….thread……thre……th…..t
As my last words echoed in the Kiwi logic void.
21 Jun 2010, 12:10 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-58: Why? All this adversity just makes us better.
21 Jun 2010, 12:12 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-60: better whingers?
or is it just a more convenient excuse? like susie (which Ive never prescribed to by the way) or any other myriad of excuses from both sides…
at least if you guys play up north, then there wont be a travel factor surely?
21 Jun 2010, 12:13 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-58: By the way, I didn’t bring up the travel:
38. Black Panther(Black Panther)Reply to this comment :
June 21st, 2010 at 11:11 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-33:
You did. Feel better ?
I was also amongst the first to congratulate KKK on his early S14 Final call. Despite him being a cretinous piece of moronic merde.
No problem acknowledging when others are right, whatsoever. How about you ?
Ready to acknowledge that the Boks have a travel-ADVANTAGE in the TriN yet ?
21 Jun 2010, 12:14 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-61: As I said, I didn’t bring up the travel, in fact it was BP looking for reasons as to why NZ got hammered 3-0 last year. Whingers, that you guys are.
21 Jun 2010, 12:17 pm
@gunther(gunther)-53:
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-62:
Ladies
1 thing
the point is not whether the Boks actually had an advantage or whether the Kiwis or Aussies had a dis-advantage. Certainly the Aussies and Kiwis havent complained.
Its whether or not the Boks have a ‘travel dis-advantage’ as you and your lot have shoved down our throats since Moses was a boy.
Yes
or
No.
21 Jun 2010, 12:19 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-62: I know… but its the reason we have heard (like Susie like I mentioned) that is always proffered when NZ is/was on top.. never we were simply better at the time…
most kiwis acknowledged SA were by far the best team last year (though I believe the B&I Lions series gave you guys a serious advantage)
McCheat is another common one… is it in the SA makeup that they just cant admit someone may be better then them?
21 Jun 2010, 12:21 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-56:
“you guys only play 1 game in Africa, whilst we play 3 games in Australasia EVERY year”.
The longer you are here, the better acclimatised you become. The Boks now establish themselves in a base and go forth from there.
The 1937 Boks Toured NZ for 2 and a half months. Travelling by Rail, Coastal Ferries, and on Buses over gravel roads. In the worst winter we had endured for 37,000 years. (the **** frosts wiped out all the ducks south of the 41 parallel).
They are regarded as the best Team to ever leave NZ shores. And not a travel whinge was reported.
These Business Class Boks are Big Softies.
21 Jun 2010, 12:26 pm
H o a r Frosts are deemed unacceptable weather conditions by the Keo police.
21 Jun 2010, 12:39 pm
Dawie tells Japie he’s thinking of buying a labrador.
Fook off says Japie, have you seen how many of their owners go blind?
21 Jun 2010, 12:57 pm
Richie McCaw walks into his bedroom carrying a sheep in his arms and says:
“Darling, this is the pig I have *** with when you have a headache.”
His wife is lying in bed and replies:
“I think you’ll find that’s not a pig but a sheep, you idiot.”
Richie says: ” Shut up, I wasn’t talking to you.”
21 Jun 2010, 12:57 pm
*** = s3x
21 Jun 2010, 13:36 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-69:
an oldie
but a goodie
a rarity amongst sheep jokes.
21 Jun 2010, 13:51 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-66: Then again, 5 test matches a year doesn’t seem like such a hectic schedule.
21 Jun 2010, 14:09 pm
BP Who cares? You win some you lose some, we won, you lost. Over.
21 Jun 2010, 17:53 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-62:
still waiting, Ratel.
Yes
or
No.
Its quite easy really. Even for you
21 Jun 2010, 19:25 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-52:
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@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-54:
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@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-56:
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Question:-
The Springboks results were affected by a ‘travel dis-advantage’.
Answer:- Yes or No.
Nothing to do with Australia and New Zealand. Whatsoever. Because theyre not the ones complaining.
Furthermore, going by your own unique sense of twisted logic, if past negative results by SA were as a direct result of this so-called ‘travel dis-advantage’, then doesnt that positive results can also be dis-regarded when the advantage is theirs ?
Yes
or
No.
21 Jun 2010, 19:53 pm
as amended:-
In 2009
SA schedule:-
3 matches at home (25/07, 01/08, 08/08_ to start the campaign (Bloem to Durban 1hr/Durban to CT 2hrs – all same timezone). 3 week break. Flight to Perth (11hrs flight: +5hrs time-diff). 1 match (29/08). Flight to Brizzy (5hrs flight: +2hrs). 1 match (05/09). Flight to Akld (3hrs flight: + 2hrs), 1 match (12/07) in nearby Hamilton.
Aus schedule:-
Sydney to Akld (3hrs flight: +2hrs). 1 match (18/07). Back to Sydney (3hrs flight: -2hrs). 3 week break, travel to CT (14hrs flight: -7hrs). 1 match (08/08). Travel to Sydney (14hrs flight: +7hrs). 2 weeks. 1 match (22/08). Travel to Perth (5hrs flight: -2/3hrs). 1 match (29/08). Fly to Brisbane (5hrs flight: +2hrs). 1 match (05/09). 2 week break. Travel to Wellington (3hrs flight: +2hrs). 1 match (19/07).
NZ schedule
1 match Akld (18/07). Fly to Bloemfontein (15hrs: -10hrs). 1 match (25/07). Fly to Durban (1hr). 1 match (01/08). Return to Akld (15hrs: +10hrs). 3 week break. Fly to Sydney (3hrs flight: -2hrs). 1 match (22/08). Fly to Akld (3hrs flight: +2hrs). 3 weeks break. 1 match (Hamilton). Travel to Wellington (1hr). 1 match.
So…….
Flight Times*:-
SA = 22hrs
Aus = 47hrs
NZ = 38hrs
These are ‘direct route times’. NZ must do stopovers on every long-haul route, eg Akld – Sydney-JoBurg-Bloem (the flight time was probably more like 20+hrs ?). Aus must do stopovers between Sydney and CT via Perth.
Indirect routes ?
SA = 0
Aus = 2
NZ = 2
TimeZone change (accumulated):-
SA = 9hrs
Aus = 25hrs
NZ = 24hrs
Long-haul flights (10+hrs):-
SA = 1
Aus = 2
NZ = 2
Rest periods:-
SA = 1 x 3 weeks. Break before only long-haul flight.
Aus = 1 x 3 weeks, 2 x 2 weeks. 1st break before 1st long-haul flight; 2nd break between short-haul.
NZ = 1 x 2 week, 1 x 3 week. 1st break before 2nd long-haul flight; 2nd break between short-haul.
So what conclusions can be drawn ?
The Springboks:-
(a) STILL travelled by flight HALF as much as Aus & NZ.
(b) STILL required NO stopovers. Both Aus & NZ required 2 stopovers each.
(c) were STILL affected by HALF as much timezone-change as Aus & NZ.
(d) had STILL had HALF as many long-haul flights as Aus & NZ.
The only thing that changes is the number of breaks. But the timing is crucial – SA having their 3 week break in between their ONLY long-haul flight.
21 Jun 2010, 19:58 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-76: Bud if you carry on like this I am going to change your name to Black Panties.
21 Jun 2010, 19:59 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-77: But I won’t coz I got a wee little stiffie writing that.
And that’s just wrong.
Very wrong.
Black Panties. Black Panties.Black Pantie………………….
Whoops better take this in hand. (haha).
21 Jun 2010, 20:00 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-77:
talk to the hand
21 Jun 2010, 20:00 pm
Banana Pants
Bananas in pajamas.
Black Pajamas. Oops here we go. Stop.
21 Jun 2010, 20:04 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-77:
and when you say “carry on”, do you mean years and YEARS of ‘travel dis-advantage’ ?
frankly, your boys have been carrying on and on with invalid excuses for years and years, coinciding with Bok losses.
Suddenly it dont look so good when the same excuses dis-apply when the going gets good.
ye cannae have it both ways, ladies.
Call me what you like, Soda. Like I give a sh*t.
21 Jun 2010, 20:33 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-81: Personally I think the travel debate is, if not bogus, irrelevant. It is what it is, and there is no need to interrogate it at all.
For me, I just want to see +1 point ahead of any team we play, that’s enough for me.
Now don’t get your knickers in a knot. Even if they are black.
22 Jun 2010, 02:57 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-6: Ah Yes I can smell the fear from here..PDV waking up at nite in hot sweats thinking its male menopause, but the dark shadaow flickering around in his dreams are the figures of doom and his undoing—particularly after watching the demolition job the baby blacks did on OZ this morning, he will see the signs of things to come….
22 Jun 2010, 05:53 am
NZ u20 came close to vaporising their Aussie equivalents after they detonated the terror-stricken tackle-phobic South Africans in the semi.
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