Div takes a beating – again
27 Jul 2010
P Divvy’s honeymoon period with the overseas media is over. Where they once laughed with him, all they do now is mock the man leading the Springboks’ World Cup defence.
NZ Herald‘s Chris Rattue, in his weekly column, wrote that it was incredible the champions of the rugby world attributed such a lack of importance to who coached the team.
‘De Villiers is a faux test coach, a man who got his lines from a joke shop with a free Groucho moustache thrown in.
‘South Africa may feel the rest of the world is unduly harsh on de Villiers, but the rest of the rugby community can rightly feel miffed that the game’s leading team doesn’t take the job of head coach seriously enough.
‘Having been given a leg up to the very top, de Villiers should be made to earn his stripes, increase prowess and prove his ability in the Super 15 while a competent man takes charge of the world champions.’
Rattue added that the surprise was not at the Boks’ decline, but at how quickly it has all happened.
‘What is happening to the Springboks was inevitable under de Villiers, although the cracks have appeared a bit quicker than many of us expected.
‘Men far more qualified than de Villiers have fallen on hard times with apparently good teams, but those who have earned their stripes through the grades – such as Graham Henry – can fight their way clear.
‘Sports teams can function superbly when dominated and effectively run by legendary players, but only for a short time. They will self-destruct when age and fading form emerge and the old hands refuse to relinquish power or embrace new trends. Nothing exemplifies this more than the placing of the cumbersome Jean de Villiers on the wing.
‘Under the new rules, which encourage ball in hand over kicking, the new breed in South Africa must be given their chance to take over, players such as Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh.
‘But these gifted players, many of them black, will land in the middle of a dysfunctional team, a side run by old players, tight forwards at that, who will fall back on conservative ways.’
201 Comments
27 Jul 2010, 13:53 pm
Co nomments – to this Dragon!
27 Jul 2010, 13:54 pm
Strange that the overseas media is eemingly so concerned with the well-being of the Springboks.
If anything, we should stop being stupid and see these reports for what they are: Thinly-veiled attempts to destabilise the team. Firing PDV now (notwithstanding his stellar record last year) would be a suicidal knee-jerk reaction.
27 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
and i mean Rattua…..
27 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
lashed dragon
27 Jul 2010, 13:57 pm
More bad new for De Villiers!
Brenden Nel
Rolland back to haunt Boks
Johannesburg – The Springboks will have to get over their dislike for Irish referee Alain Rolland’s refereeing very quickly – they have a return date with him in a few weeks time.
Rolland has been awarded the Tri-Nations Test at Loftus Versfeld against the Wallabies and will come face to face with the Boks for the first time since his inconsistent performance in Wellington where it was alleged that he gave the All Blacks – and their captain Richie McCaw in particular – special treatment.
The Springboks will have to overcome their concerns and adapt their play, as, along with Rolland, two other Northern Hemisphere referees have been given the whistles for the other two home Tri-Nations Tests in South Africa.
Wales’ Nigel Owens will take charge of the Soccer City humdinger against the All Blacks on August 21 with Rolland getting the Loftus Versfeld date against the Wallabies on August 28. England’s Wayne Barnes will officiate the Bloemfontein encounter between the Boks and Wallabies on September 4.
All three referees have been in the firing line over the past few years for the way they have handled Springbok Test matches, but any thought that the world champions have any sympathy for the Boks plight with officials will be washed away by the news that International Rugby Board referee boss Paddy O’Brien gave Rolland and Allan Lewis the thumbs up for their handling of the two Springbok v All Black Test matches in New Zealand earlier this month.
O’Brien told the New Zealand Herald he was “very satisfied” with the performances of the two Irish referees, even though the Boks were left fuming after both tests at the one-sided treatment they were dished out. In a remark that will irk the Bok players and management, an “astonished” O’Brien said both referees “had received favourable assessments” for their work in the Tests.
“As far as the Tri-Nations is concerned, people have to agree the product is better than this time last year and we are pleased with both referees in both games,” he told the Herald.
“Like everyone, they have areas to work on in their games but overall we have been very pleased with their attitude and delivery of performance.
“The referees who do the Tri-Nations are our top referees, they have all been round the block. It is only natural that a team losing is not going to be happy so our referees have to get above that and we believe they do,” O’Brien said.
With that in mind, the Boks will need to quickly adapt to the Northern Hemisphere interpretations of the breakdown, and ensure that they make their own luck in the three Tests.
The Boks have good win ratios under all three referees, but have had problems with interpretations before. Barnes was in charge when the Boks were bullied by France in Toulouse and last year’s loss in Brisbane against Australia, both games where the Bok scrum was repeatedly penalised.
Owens, who the Boks have a 75 percent success record under his officiating, was in charge when Ireland beat the Springboks last year but also reffed their win in Hamilton in last year’s Tri Nations. Rolland was ironically also the referee at the 2007 World Cup final where the Boks beat England 15-6.
Appointments for the South African Tri Nations games:
August 21: South Africa v New Zealand in Johannesburg
Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
August 28: South Africa v Australia in Pretoria
Referee: Alain Rolland (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Nigel Owens (Wales), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
September 4: South Africa v Australia in Bloemfontein
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant referees: Nigel Owens (Wales), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
27 Jul 2010, 13:58 pm
@Staal(Staal)-3:
What are you on about?
27 Jul 2010, 13:58 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-5:
bad news
27 Jul 2010, 13:59 pm
they must be racist…. haha
show dem… show dem… show dem divvy show dem
27 Jul 2010, 13:59 pm
World cup mind games just like last time! White and the dirty boks blah blah
I wish you get some new material
27 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
this is still mild compared to the caning jake got in ’06…okay, pdv hasn’t lost by 49-0 he has created this furore with his own stupid utterances! He gave the media all the canon fodder they needed, now he must man up! He is back in the media trenches a la British & Irish Lions time…
if you wanna run with the big (international hacks) you better lift a leg Pdv! Talk is cheap & wins buy you massive dollops of humble pie to feed the hacks…
Buck up!
27 Jul 2010, 14:01 pm
@Cyborg(Cyborg)-2: The overseas media have a lot of respect for the Springboks and the way they performed last year. The Kiwis and Aussies love Matfield, Smit and Smith for example, and they come across as being honestly surprised and a little disappointed at how the Boks have fallen apart this year.
They are also shocked at the craziness of de Villiers – he is absolutely barmy, and this was hidden by the onfield success of last year, however it has been reflected in the performances this season.
27 Jul 2010, 14:02 pm
Look i dont think Div is the best coach out there, but I also dont think he is as bad as what some people think. Perhaps he is putting too much trust in his senior players? Perhaps he needs to get rid of the assistant coach who was also the coach of the worst team in Super Rugby history. I dont think that particular coach can spell the word backline.
But as for Div, his time to prove people wrong is now, it’s time to make some big calls and show he has the cahuna’s for this job.
27 Jul 2010, 14:02 pm
Maybe Chris Rattue wants to remind us how Henry did when coaching Wales with all the help and money he needed – and all their WC games at home. Not to mention his Lions tour. Or his WC go with the All Blacks.
Even Snor can coach the AB’s to TN titles every year – the AB’s are that good. What they lack is in the head – and Henry has shown he can’t give that when it really matters.
27 Jul 2010, 14:03 pm
49 – 0 isn’t far away …
27 Jul 2010, 14:03 pm
Who cares about the Springboks anyways! It is a political tool used to belittle anybody that opposes the racist ANC Regime.
On the other hand it is used by the likes of Supersport to lick *** of the racist ANC regime by turning rugby matches into political media spectacles.
They can loose 100 – 0 & I would not feel any better or worse.
I am not interested in the political brain washing that has lashed onto South African rugby.
Only the very daft believe that Peter De Villiers is an coach!
27 Jul 2010, 14:03 pm
@mxhosa(mxhosa)-5: yoh, kuyafiwa mos kule Tri-nations!
27 Jul 2010, 14:05 pm
@gecko(gecko)-13: And Snor can take the players from the top 2 Super 14 teams, add the best players from the other 3 teams, and make them also rans at international level.
That is impressive.
27 Jul 2010, 14:05 pm
there goes the neighbourhood….
27 Jul 2010, 14:08 pm
Coaches have been fired for less! I say fire him and strip Smit of captaincy for their attacks on the refs!! Despicable!
Defence will win the next world cup!! I will say it again, DEFENCE WILL WIN THE NEXT WORLD CUP!!
My candidate for coach is Alistair Coetzee. The stormers had one of the best defences ever in Super rugby. This after the rules were adapted to speed up the game. Maybe someone from KEO might have the facts, but I will bet that they conceded the least number of points/tries ever, with only the Crusaders beating the record when they played 2 games less.
27 Jul 2010, 14:15 pm
pretty pathetic attempt this, they love Div because he sells papers for them and the Div bashing just works for that agenda, judge the bloke on the RWC like we did with JW.
27 Jul 2010, 14:15 pm
I believe at least half the problem is **** Muir. I mean apart from the Lions disaster this year, we’re talking about the same guy who single-handedly destroyed a potential golden era in Sharks rugby, and also the same guy who nearly ruined many young players careers by constantly playing them out of position (Anyone remember Frans Steyn and Ruan Pienaar?).
Now at the Boks we constantly have players playing out of position, see the connection there…
27 Jul 2010, 14:18 pm
surely PDV has the final say in picking a player in a certain position, if not, he’s not the real head coach and should make way .. what does he do anyway with Os, Gold, D!ck, Percy as ***. coaches ….
27 Jul 2010, 14:21 pm
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-21: he is the common denominator in this rugby equation
27 Jul 2010, 14:21 pm
Jammed guns, overheating getaway cars, assisted suicides, testifying in court … SA’s mafia is an embarrasment. They are laughing at us in Sicily
27 Jul 2010, 14:23 pm
Nothing against the refs because the Boks lost not because of the refs, but why do the SA games get northern hemispere refs and the Aus-NZ games get South African refs?
27 Jul 2010, 14:27 pm
And I’m sure you believe Swaart Gevaar to be true.
27 Jul 2010, 14:27 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-24:
Agreed, although i’ve met this Schultz character before, he is well known in the MMA world. And let’s just say i’m quite sure he shares similar high school results wth a certain youth leader, so no surprises there.
27 Jul 2010, 14:27 pm
PDV did eran his stripes , why do you guy keep saying he only coached Falcons ? He also coached U21 , actually beat the ABS with them , he coached WP Disas as well as being part of the Bok Coaching team under Mallet.
27 Jul 2010, 14:30 pm
@GriekwasStormer(GriekwasStormer)-19: Same Alistair that everyone wanted out before the 2007 WC ? Besides , defense alone will not win us the WC.
PS – I do agree though , I also vote for Alistair , always been a fan.Just highlighting the fact that people have short memories
27 Jul 2010, 14:31 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-11: they’re targeting Smit and Matfield too, I think Cyborg is right to be honest, they’re doing what they can to de-stabalise the Bok camp – not that they need any help with that.
27 Jul 2010, 14:34 pm
@Nartjie(Nartjie)-15: And I’m sure you believe Swart Gevaar to be true.
27 Jul 2010, 14:35 pm
And this article was also published yesterday by someone in the threads….3rd time in 24 hours the muppets scooped KEO
I know it sounds a little smug, it’s just that this is becoming a trend, posting yesterdays news…..
What are the odds that there will be an article either later today or most likely tomorrow about Alain Roland and reffing the Boks again a-la MXHOSA’s post in (5) above……
27 Jul 2010, 14:36 pm
@Amerifikaner(Amerifikaner)-25: So you would rather have had Dickenson reffing the game against the Kiwis?
You are basically asking how come they get South African refs. Obviously, South Africa can’t have South Africans reffing their games.
This idea of Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere refs is crazy talk.
27 Jul 2010, 14:36 pm
Swart gevaar is just a “made up story” – just like farm murders
27 Jul 2010, 14:37 pm
As much as i dislike PDV’s gameplan,etc…
I feel that if he stuck with the “oldies” he wouldnt be in this mess!
15. F Steyn
14. B Habana
13. J Fourie
12. J De Villiers
11. JP Pieteresen
10. Morne Steyn
9. F Du Preez
8. P Spies
7. J Smith
6. S Burger
5. V Matfield
4. A Bekker
3. T MTawawira
2. J Smit (B Du Plessis 60min)
1. CJ Van Der Linde
I guarantee this side would win the 2011 World Cup. Guarantee it i tell thee.
27 Jul 2010, 14:37 pm
It finally happened. The boks have hit another low point. It seems Pieter De Villiers is going to be the next Kamp Staaldraad… We are once again the laughing stock of world rugby
27 Jul 2010, 14:37 pm
@Nartjie(Nartjie)-15: And I’m sure you believe Swart Gevaar to be true. We all out to get you.
27 Jul 2010, 14:41 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-36: dancing classes followed by some Lion gouging in the bush, then they’ll go wilder and wilder again – all part of Kamp Tutu
27 Jul 2010, 14:45 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-34: Swart Gevaar is a joke. Farm murders are a reality jus like any murder that happens in a township or Transkei village. Crime has no colour in Mzantsi, we all fall victim to it.
27 Jul 2010, 14:46 pm
“a side run by old players, tight forwards at that, who will fall back on conservative ways.”
Smit doesn’t strike me as a ‘laager lout’. Seems he’s been generalised as Afrikaans and conservative.
Does this mean all Kiwis are Sheepshaggers?
27 Jul 2010, 14:47 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-38: Follow this up with some basic car mechanic training and it finishes with a lot of whiskey drinking, while discussing conspiracy theories such as who really killed JFK, and why they faked the moon landing.
27 Jul 2010, 14:47 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-38: Haha, there is always going to be something that haunts the boks it seems
27 Jul 2010, 14:53 pm
@Cyborg(Cyborg)-2:
My mate you are spot on. Agree 100%
The Australasians are hoping for all their worth that the Boks are in such disarray that they don’t pose a danger come RWC 2011.
Everyone and their blind dog knows that with the right coach and team dynamic the Boks are unstoppable on the day.
This is all propaganda and smoke and mirrors to unsettle the biggest threat to world rugby, the Springbok Juggernaut.
27 Jul 2010, 14:54 pm
@Cyborg(Cyborg)-2:
This is directed toward those of you that think De Villiers Should STAY – be my farking guest – forget about defending the World Cup next year, that will eliminate you from contention.
If you win at Soccer City (which you wont) ill change my stance on this one – if you lose by 20, change yours!
27 Jul 2010, 14:56 pm
@Cyborg(Cyborg)-2:
Although I disagree about Puff Divvy the clown..
27 Jul 2010, 15:00 pm
so pdiv must make some big changes wonder what he will do
bring in chili boy who cant even make the team for the bulls?
and january who doesn’t make the stormers as our first choise playmakers…
He must get over his issues with F Steyn bring him back, select a real fetcher in the mold of Brusouw, we have a clone in Stegman!
And give Juan de Jong a go in the place of Olivier and Try out Habana on 13 he is too slow for wing, play the 2 bulls wingers Van den Heever and Hougaard!
27 Jul 2010, 15:04 pm
@groenie(groenie)-46: Habana should be dropped mate not commit suicide at centre
27 Jul 2010, 15:04 pm
if you think they’re just saying this to destabilise the team you are living in serious denial
27 Jul 2010, 15:10 pm
We all know how embarrassing it is when the, the world champions, have a coach who cant think before he opens his mouth. But now that we are loosing ,and loosing badly, it puts that embarrassment into perspective…
27 Jul 2010, 15:11 pm
Gecko,
so true, good to see you around.
Yip the abs just don’t have it upstairs when it counts.
Ch-choke rwc2011
just watch the reports fly
27 Jul 2010, 15:21 pm
Awww CAB. Your pain is evident. Hope you can overcome it soon mate. I’d rather you worry about your team then how mine may not win the thing
I think at this moment mine would stand more of a chance then yours.
27 Jul 2010, 15:23 pm
No chance poops, and what happens when we beat you next week? Oh **** I can’t wait
27 Jul 2010, 15:25 pm
CAB
Could your team beat Tonga,Fiji,Arg and Eng at the moment?
I’m not so sure.
27 Jul 2010, 15:27 pm
Next week? Bwahaha. Mate we don’t play you again for 3 weeks, I know it’s hard through the tears, but try and keep up.
27 Jul 2010, 15:28 pm
What happens if we win the next 3 games? What happens if PDV and his brains trust take the next month to work on improving their gameplan and figuring it out? Then what? All it says is that we went over with the wrong gameplan and can still dominate the All Blacks and Ozzies at home.
World order will still be maintained with us at 2 and the All Blacks at 1…so we are back to where we started before the test match in Auckland.
27 Jul 2010, 15:29 pm
Must be just a matter of time before Div plays the race card again.
27 Jul 2010, 15:31 pm
Remind me again how far did nz get at the last world cup?
We’ve just had ainor blip and will hammer you shortly whereafter there will be big tears and big reports commisioned to get poor young barnesey stitched up. Disgraceful
27 Jul 2010, 15:35 pm
I just hope mealamu and nonu don’t conspire to ruin another young career, dirty ******** those, nearly maimed the best player in the world 5 mins in on his tour
27 Jul 2010, 15:36 pm
Cab
“SA Rugby is K@k”
All that need be said.
Take your piece of humble pie and have difficulty swallowing it.
27 Jul 2010, 15:38 pm
@cab(cab)-57: Cab I agree with you on the minor blip…people can read as much or as little into these losses as they like…just yesterday I read an article from a NZ jorno saying that there were a few things that the Boks did get right in NZ/Oz and will work on those over the next 4 weeks and to expect a completely different Bok team in SA.
The Boks know what to expect from the Kiwis and Ozzies and will plan accordingly. Far too much experience in this squad not to right the ship. 4 weeks is a long time.
27 Jul 2010, 15:40 pm
Snr Coach De Villiers Is not only hatching the mother of all plans but he’s going to really give you muthas something to moan about
27 Jul 2010, 15:40 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-59: Hi Poppa…first time responding to your posts…hope it’s a long and fruitful relationship…my question to you. What happens if the Boks win the next 3 in SA? What does it say about the 3 Tri-Nations teams…other than all 3 are good at home. Thoughts?
27 Jul 2010, 15:42 pm
Exactly Wolfman, you know the score, Popps is on for a big surprise – I’m just worried for the ref
27 Jul 2010, 15:43 pm
Mealamu and NONU??
Bwahahaha
It was Umaga, your hurt must be excruciating if you could get that wrong.
BaXXies!!!
27 Jul 2010, 15:44 pm
Fark all of this….
i don’t know what the root cause is, but it is clear to me that the bokke do not look like they are enjoying themselves on the field.
That would be step one. Just stop worrying about beig the best and get back to playing because you love it. and if you don’t…well what the hell are you still doing around…go be a marketing agent for some sports supplier
The boks are playing as if they don’t have a goal, their just trying to hold on to something – i don’t think they even know what the something is….but it ain’t working.
Whether its the coach, the senior players, the junior players, the medics…who knows
Where is the inspiration guys????!!!!
27 Jul 2010, 15:47 pm
@cab(cab)-61: I wonder at your belief!!!!
I am not a divvy hater, but I am finding it hard to see any progress in this team, any unity, or any positive vibes….and for that, one must look to the coach…..
27 Jul 2010, 15:48 pm
As bitter as this article is to swallow, it does ring true. We need a more fluid style of play, PdV started his tenure as the bok coach promoting this style of play. After a few failed attempts he brought out the JW blueprints. If SA players can dominate the S14 but fail to get a single point in the 3N, the problem must lie with the Brains trust(or lack there-of).
27 Jul 2010, 15:49 pm
Sorry yes quite coirect Tana heralded falsely like mccaw as gentleman, gentleman my arse, Richie is the biggest crook on a rugby field known to mankind, and what worse he’s inherited fitzys innocent smile, which no doubt sends the kiwi faithful into raptures.
The only ref to stand up to Richie and they villify him
27 Jul 2010, 15:51 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-62:
Unless we can outscore them the way whey did to us (8tries to 2 i think?) I’d say that we’ve failed..
27 Jul 2010, 15:51 pm
Faust, it’s only 3 down, all hard games away, we missing 8 players from the 2009 side that rocked their world, but ja some of our snr players need to rest and condition
27 Jul 2010, 15:54 pm
@cab(cab)-63: Another note as how similar this is to our 2007 WC campaign…other than JW’s disaster in the 2006 Tri-Nations campaign was that in the 2007 Tri-Nations the Boks played their matches at home first with their strongest team and then sent the dirt trackers over for the away leg…resting the starters.
I believe this might happen again in next years Tri-Nations campaign. Unless there is no Tri-Nations of course and we get shafted on the draw.
27 Jul 2010, 15:57 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-62: Then it comes down to the end of year tour. We always win a couple of games at home in the Tri-Nations, we even managed that with Kaptein Staaldraad as coach – beat the Aussies when he stumbled onto playing de Wet Barry at 12.
The awkward situation is that since last year’s Tri-Nations, we have won one game outside of South Africa out of the last six and that was against Italy. Out of the last 9 away from home, we have only won three – once in Italy, once in Australia at Perthfontein, and once in NZ.
That is not a good look at all.
27 Jul 2010, 15:57 pm
@RaGe_X(RaGe_X)-69: I don’t know Rage…according to the masses…NZ are so superior to us that they cannot possibly lose to us…so any victory against them would be massive. A win is a win is a win…ecspecially against the Mighty NZ.
27 Jul 2010, 16:01 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-72: Understood…so I think we need to sit back and let PDV and his boys work things out over the next 4 weeks and let’s see what happens in Jo’burg.
I have no faith in the EOYT but only because we have no idea which team they will send over there. Always a lucky packet.
27 Jul 2010, 16:27 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-73: so show me wolf, where have these posts been saying NZ is superior to SA??? if you were here 3 weeks ago, you would have seen countless number of posts speaking of SA depth, SA domination etc… I dont believe Ive seen a kiwi post that NZ or the ABs is superior to the boks…
unlike some of the posts Ive seen when the Boks werent losing… hoo boy, was there a severe superiority complex going on then…
shame you guys cant acknowledge it though, it may be the first step to getting your team back on track..
lord knows they all believed the hype you guys built them up with..
27 Jul 2010, 16:30 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-29: Point taken! And to be honest the Stormers didn’t set the world on fire when it came to attack. However, get an attacking specialist to assist. I still believe that defence will play a 60% role during the WC with attack only 20% (and the ref/conditions another 20%). One missed tackle can cost you the cup and you have to wait 4 more years for another chance.
Remember our game against England in 2003? We were the better team in the first 20 minutes, but England absorbed the pressure and once they got ahead we could not cope and it turned into an easy win for England. The same thing happened in 2007 against the AUS/NZ teams. England and France defended them out of the WC.
The only WC where the best attacking team won was 1999 (I didn’t watch in 1987 so maybe then to, but not sure). Jannie de Beer dropped the best defence out of the tournament.
27 Jul 2010, 16:41 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-75: I agree with you Poppa…my sarcasm was based on the fact that several bloggers (not just this blog) have written off the Boks already (including Bok fans).
Not retaining the Tri-Nations very possible…if not probable…but all the “cracks are showing”…”no chance at next years WC”…”too old”..etc is a little premature.
We were well and truely spanked by a better team in NZ and Oz. No excuses. We need to improve and work out some kinks. Let’s see what happens in 4 weeks and we will go from there.
You still owe me a response to post 62.
27 Jul 2010, 16:51 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-62: 3Ns has always been about winning away from home, think we all know that… I do think the two bonus points are the big talking point, so if SA do win all 3 at home I dont believe they will do it with any bonus points (unless a dramatic tournaround in execution and technique in the backline). this will be the difference at the end of the tourny IMO. Im not sure your young guys are up to the level yet, much like we were last year with players like Ross (and he is nowhere now), good s14 form does NOT equate to good 3Ns form…
@Wolf(Wolf)-77: I never write off the boks, they are the old enemy after all, I in fact have a high regard for the Bok team… Last year we were forced through injury (similar to SA this year) to blood new players, we are now starting to see some benefits from that.. I am under no illusions though, the 3Ns is still to be won and the WC is too far away to even worry about..
hope that answers you some…
27 Jul 2010, 16:59 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-78: Perfect…like your thoughts. The Boks have work to do over the next 4 weeks…that is for sure.
Important that they regain confidence in their gameplan and it’s execution. I am under no illusion that August 21 is a big day for SA rugby.
All the best for Saturday. Chat soon.
27 Jul 2010, 17:00 pm
Gecko @ 13
you’ve clearly never read am article written by Rattie on his views re NZRFU let alone Henry. This article about Krusty looks like a pro-Div PR campaign compared !
27 Jul 2010, 17:02 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-79: cheers Wolf…
27 Jul 2010, 17:48 pm
WOLF and POPPA69. Good conversation between you two. I am looking forward to that in future.Good points made by both.
27 Jul 2010, 19:07 pm
It won’t happen.Ill discipline is costing the Boks plenty.
Never in my life seen as many ‘captains’ as in this particular
squad.
No defensive system, no communication,no leadership.Just
a bunch of lack lustre players,with Habana-intercept leaving
defensive holes as big as Kimberley’s big hole.Sad day to see
World and Tri-nations champs reduced to rubble under current
coaching staff.
27 Jul 2010, 19:31 pm
@Brentie1(Brentie1)-83:
This coaching staff is not doing worse than Jake White did, but they just have an attitude problem.
I believe PDV is a good coach when he is humble, but he has probably been the opposite for the last year. If he changes his attitude, then we can expect a turnaround in the home leg of the Trinations.
27 Jul 2010, 19:42 pm
I recall at some stage after snors appointment that SARFU called him in and disciplined him for making stupid comments to the media. In fact, I think they actually appointed someone (Gideon Sam?)to handle the media conferences and it went well after that with snor not getting the chance to talk kak. When did this all change? Snorre has been given free reigns again and is embarrassing SA Rugby wherever he goes.
27 Jul 2010, 20:11 pm
One thing that you can say about Jake is that he was no fool in handling the media and PDV could certainly ;learn from Jake who was pretty good considering he went to Jeppe (joke) ….. if PDV could communicate in Afrikaans then he might not put his foot in it all the time . If you watch Alistair Coetsee from Province you can see he has been trained and hes damn good on TV.
I can tell you Deans and Mains are also pretty kak with a microphone in their face ….one thing is that they dont say much ( probably too dof )but rather say little than try be too clever.
PDV needs training thats all ….. thats all behind us now and PDV , **** and Gary have a chance to recover and put in a good show for the rest of the Tri-Nations.
What is more of a worry is the form of our so-called stars ; Habana , Smit , Fourie , Spies , Victor have all been pretty kak . PDV sort them out and you are back on track .If the Boks win all PDV’s noise will go away and the press will get back in there box ….
So PDV “se maar niks” and just go for it !!!!
27 Jul 2010, 20:16 pm
Imagine if we could Nick mallet back into the mix ……..I think PDV and Nick would be a power combination ???
27 Jul 2010, 20:17 pm
@Duncan(Duncan)-86: The form of “Habana , Smit , Fourie , Spies and Victor” is PDV’s problem, not our problem. If he continues to select underperforming players then he is responsible for bad results. It is ultimately up to him.
I am confident in his ability to make the right calls if he becomes humble. In fact, a lot of his arrogance may have rubbed off on the players, which would explain their bad form.
Let’s see in the next few weeks if PDV starts to become humble, and accepts his mistakes. Hopefully he gets a proper grilling in his review. I think we will know what to expect after the next few weeks.
27 Jul 2010, 20:35 pm
‘But these gifted players, many of them black, ….” huh who says these players are black, we’ll show dem show dem show dem!!
27 Jul 2010, 20:53 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-59: Poppa u either dissapear or be nailed big time , u do realise that the tables will turn ? ABS dominance in rugby will not continue , SA has turn the tide and this year is just a little blotch on the roadmap of success.
I am not saying that SA will dominate but rather that the balanc e will be restored and soon , u forget that not longer than a few weeks ago the Bulls and Stormers whipped your buts. I hope u stick around and be a man when the packslaa comes.
27 Jul 2010, 20:57 pm
@Duncan(Duncan)-86: How often do you see the SA assistant coaches do the media talk in the SA media? One thing noticeable in the NZ coaching team is how often the assistant coaches do the media interviews. Could not the SA team do the same to reduce the focus on PdV and how he expresses himself?
27 Jul 2010, 20:58 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-90:
and, so, this is your way of showing how to ‘be a man’ is it ?
All wheels turn, Einstein. And a table is shaped like a wheel. If you have a round one that is. Its just that when it turns and stops on ‘SA’, it tends to stay around just long enough for a quick schlurp of cheap champagne before moving on again. Enjoy it while you can. Its already moved, unless you hadnt noticed.
Altho I do note some progress when you doubt whether SA will “dominate” again. Because last year they ‘dominated World rugby’. From 2nd. On the ‘table’.
27 Jul 2010, 22:29 pm
@Cyborg(Cyborg)-2: A stellar record last year? Forgotten the EOYT?
27 Jul 2010, 22:34 pm
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-12: The worst coack in Super Rugby history isn’t Dic Muir. It’s actually Heyneke Meyer — in his first TWO seasons of Super 12, he lost 20, drew one and won one out of 22 games.
27 Jul 2010, 22:36 pm
Maybe the coach didn’t have enough “coack” in his Klippies?
27 Jul 2010, 22:41 pm
PROFILE OF PETER DE VILLIERS
Born
03/06/1957
Playing career
Played scrumhalf for Boland and Griquas (SARU teams, period before unity)
Coaching career
Club:
Tygerberg 1996-97. Finished top of Super League B. Qualified for Super League A
Provincial:
WP Disas 1997
Asst Coach WP Vodacom 1998
Valke 2002 & 2003
National:
SA U19 – 1998 & 1999 (SA finished 3rd in 1999 at world championships)
SA U21 – 2004, 2005 & 2006 (3rd in 04, winners in 05 and losing finalist in 06 at world championships)
Emerging Springboks 2007 (Winner of IRB tournament in Romania)
27 Jul 2010, 22:45 pm
@GriekwasStormer(GriekwasStormer)-76: no you are wrong about attack and defence importance.
The new rules allow for quick ball (at least for the Australasians) and we MIGHT get a fair ref at the RWC. Against quick ball, you cannot defend the entire game. You will concede ground, and you WILL end up defending on your line. nd teh other team probably will score against you if they hold it long enough without making mistakes. It has become almost impossible for a team’s defence to be attacking defence. They just have to scramble as best they can, and wait for a mistake. Of course if the rf allows one team to get away with murder on defence, and penalises the other, there is a massive disadvantage to that team being penalised, so they have to keep it tight, and ensure that they are playing to a pattern so that their pack can clean effectively without conceding the ball on attack. Clearly to do this, we will need something more than “heads up rugby”. We will need to plan for the ref blowing unevenly, and take it into account into our play.
Given that scoring is a likelihood (even against good defence), the importance of not making mistakes ON ATTACK becomes vital. Its like basketball. One team gets possession and scores, then the other team gets possession and scores – ad nauseum. The team that makes the least amount of mistakes on attack (i.e. that applies the right kind of pressure on defence) and wastes the most opportunity to score, loses.
27 Jul 2010, 22:52 pm
@Amerifikaner(Amerifikaner)-25:
Cos you gys hate Kwiw and Ozzie refs. Its been noted before how SA only have the best refs and the rest are useless. All this complaining about refs from the Bok team and supporters has caught up with you all,the whinging and crying after every lose is pathetic.Seen as no human is good enough to ref the boks you really have limited options.
28 Jul 2010, 00:36 am
Let me see, South Africans think that IRISH referees allow the ABs to get away with murder.
And South Africans think that when the ABs played the Lions, in the first test two ABs upended the IRISH lions’ captain.
And South Africans think these two things are linked.
Irish referees reward the ABs for a sin committed by a present and a former AB on the Irish captain.
And the logic of this is??????????????
28 Jul 2010, 00:40 am
Aust vs NZ game coming up will have a SAf ref who will slow the game down to the snail’s pace enjoyed by South Africans.
So the fans of the two competing sides will be disappointed while the fans of the ref will be delighted?
28 Jul 2010, 00:46 am
@Auntie Mavis(Auntie Mavis)-100:
The Safas main problem throughout the opening rounds of TriN’10 is that they appear to have a problem playing a match without a Sth African ref. They must have thought it was the Good Old Days.
28 Jul 2010, 01:54 am
Been looking throug some archives,boy did i find some funnys.
3. sglazer(sglazer) :
July 7th, 2010 at 6:52 am
It’s true. It’s as if SA’s rugby brain shifted into another gear across all levels about a year ago. Quite remarkable. NZ definitely fell behind in the thinking stakes
•158. Groot Gees(Groot Gees) :
July 7th, 2010 at 4:51 am
I pity the All Blacks come Saturday.
Steyn vs Carter
Bok Supremacy vs All Black mediocrity
2. keo(keo) :
July 4th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-1: not as much as i like it … if the all blacks wore a red jersey with their calibre of player currently we would be demanding 15 point wins
•119. Big Hit(Big Hit) :
July 4th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Suarez McCheat needs to retire, it’s been all down hill since that ‘07 QF for him
28 Jul 2010, 02:36 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-101: Honestly mate, you’re just a trouble maker! Why don’t you get a real job and a life, and stop baiting bloggers on this site? Like the ABs have never benefitted from a home town reffing decision – I’ve seen plenty over the years. Stop pedaling your poison buddy – try find something good to say for once, rather than putting the boot in while they’re down.
28 Jul 2010, 02:51 am
@Cyborg(Cyborg)-2: Sorry mate, but that’s just rubbish. It’s not just this seasons performances that have been poor. Under PdV, Muir and Gold the wheels fell off this Springbok “golden era” on end of year tour last year, and the cracks were already starting to show against the Lions. That was not as convincing a series win as it should have been. I frequently read Chris Rattue’s column and he’s a very good sports writer – clever, witty and insightful. There is no agenda, he calls it as he sees it. You should read some of his past columns about the ABs. I don’t think Graham Henry is a fan!
28 Jul 2010, 02:54 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-103:
Everyone comes in here and lets a bit of steam off. Some are serious and some are just having a laugh but in the end it is a rugby blog that anyone can put there views across.
Some are not the views of others but really in the end they have to live with it.
Since 2009, it has been us Kiwis that have been booted constantly but we dont come onto this site expecting to make friends with everyone. when the time is right we will put the odd boot in which in some cases is deserved,and believe me at this point there has never been a better time to do up the laces of your steel cap boots and kick away. But we know what goes around comes around and a few people on here will make the most of it once the Boks find there winning ways again. Until then i suggest you take the heat or leave the kitchen
28 Jul 2010, 03:17 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-105: Agreed, and that’s just my view. A bit of healthy debate and rivalry is what it’s about. Some bloggers seem to enjoy BP’s comments, but others appear offended. To me some of his comments are beyond the pale. No issue with you or any other kiwis here though. I’m only a sometime visiter and occasional blogger on this site, so admittedly I don’t see it all.
28 Jul 2010, 03:40 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-106:
Hi Grant
Yeah there is no beating about the bush with BP. I am one that does enjoy some of his posts but of course i am a Kiwi
But you are correct some do find his post offensive,but hey thats the way blogs suppose to be.
I have sixth sense that you are currently in NZ,not going by your user name at all. Where abouts would that be?
28 Jul 2010, 04:19 am
Guys, relax. We’re missing 6-7 of our top, top players. -> HB, Biz, beast, FDP, FS, JPP, …Bakkies, if you like. When we dropped 7 against BIL in test#3 – we looked like we do now
28 Jul 2010, 04:23 am
@svs(svs)-108:
Thats right. Even NZ are missing 3-4 player important players at least.
28 Jul 2010, 04:30 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-94:
It is spelled ‘coach’ Tackles…!
28 Jul 2010, 04:32 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-109:
Now I won’t excuse the Bok idiot ‘brains trust’… but take out Daniel Carter, Richie McCaw, Kevin Mealamu, Jo for a start and we all know the AB’s are a different entity.
This weekend’s game should be a cracker and show where the two teams really are, the brainless Bok’s with their key players missing and no game plan B are hardly the yardstick this year…
28 Jul 2010, 04:39 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-107:
Hurri, funny is ok, trolling is not. I have not seen anything worthwhile other than trolling from BP. You, Cane, Ricane (sheesh, is he still around) Poppa and a few others I apologise for missing, have been around for a long time, giving and taking the best to/from all. Long may it carry on…
28 Jul 2010, 04:41 am
@money_man(money_man)-111:
Yep but our in form winger not playing,our best # 2 again not playing. Our best jumper in a long time not playing.
But remember all the posts and threads about the great depth of SA rugby. NZ knows if Carter and McCaw goes we are not the same team.
28 Jul 2010, 04:42 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-110: Refer to #95.
28 Jul 2010, 04:43 am
As for some comments on here, bloody hell, one of the reasons the overseas reporters are having a go at PDIvvie is about the conspiracy theories he bandied around. What do we get here, some more of the same in that they are just trying to unsettle the mighty Boks before WC2011!
If the Bok supporters can’t see there is something a miss in the Bok camp at the moment then we deserve what we getting!
28 Jul 2010, 04:43 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-112:
I couldnt believe seeing Ricane on the other day,damn its been a while.
28 Jul 2010, 04:44 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-114:
To late, you second mistake in less than a week…you dropping the ball!
28 Jul 2010, 04:46 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-116:
Well there you go, he is still alive!
28 Jul 2010, 04:49 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-113:
You don’t take what the Bok ‘brains trust’ says seriously?
Plenty of very raw talent yes, test quality depth (other than the infinite loose forwards and hookers) not yet.
Particularly as the ‘brains trust’ have not found a way to test their depth at test level like the Wallabies and AB’s have done this season with mid week games… keeping everyone on the same page.
28 Jul 2010, 04:53 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-115:
Good post.
How in the world can we unsettle a team that to me looks as unsettled as it could ever get. No outsiders did this or contributed. It has been the Boks own doing,well management at least. PDV needs to shut it and concentrate on getting his team right for the next game,leave the unproven conspiracies out of it.
28 Jul 2010, 05:03 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-120:
They looked like a team in total disarray on Saturday, total lack of confidence as well. These things is not because of dodgy refs or some bad eggs at breakfast or whatever the next excuse will be.
And that is the problem, it is inly excuses…
28 Jul 2010, 05:18 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-121:
Strange though.
PDV had these Boks on fire in 2009. Maybe these few players that are missing is causing a huge unsettling affect on this team and the coaches.
As said,he needs to concentrate on his teams issues,not look for excuses but look internal for problems,he could be it,not me to say. PDV has a team that can win most games,enough said.
28 Jul 2010, 05:28 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-122:
It is strange, dare I say it, if the team clicks they do look almost unbeatable but boy if they don’t they look 3 rated.
Lets see what they do in the time off and what happens when the jog on for another go…
28 Jul 2010, 05:32 am
G’day gents
Guys, we all know the Boks will be back……..
Sort out a few “issues” and we will be on track to have a serious crack at next years WC
Div will be given a good “talking to” at his next review and hopefully told to wind his neck in and concentrate on a game plan, playing and picking the correct players in the correct positions and ensuring he fields players willing to put body on the line, and who are fit (JS take note)
With regards the banter on Keo, IMHO most is good stuff, generally the guys will have a wind up and put the boot in when required (As some Saffa’s have deserved recently), but there are, unfortunately one or two dooooooos’s like wet panties, who……..well he is just a doos! Some Saffa bloke shagged his wife in the toilets in a pub in London and he is out for revenge……he now sits on an anonomous blog and tries and get his mojo back….sad!
28 Jul 2010, 05:41 am
@whatever(whatever)-124:
Haha so ‘n halwe doos, ‘n hele kan mens nog gebruik!
My only problem is PDivvie had a talking to last year, did he forget about all that?
28 Jul 2010, 05:44 am
JS must be a bit nervous about Bismarck, now that the tighhead option is in tatters. WC hooker choices will be interesting
“…Du Plessis has almost fully recovered from a neck injury suffered during the Super 14 and should be in the mix for Sharks selection in two weeks’ time.
Du Plessis is unlikely to feature in any of the Boks’ three home Tri-Nations matches, starting on August 21 against the All Blacks in Johannesburg
But Bekker’s back injury, which he picked up in the Tri-Nations clash against New Zealand in Wellington, is worse than feared and he could need surgery to a damaged disc”
28 Jul 2010, 05:46 am
@svs(svs)-126:
Thats not good news about Bekker……..bugger!
28 Jul 2010, 05:47 am
out for the season
28 Jul 2010, 05:51 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-125:
Wet pantie, it’s official, you are half a doos………
Yeah, I know Div had a talking to last year, but maybe is is just like a naughty schoolboy who needs a canning every now and again just to make him…..well, “skrik so bietjie wakker” !!
28 Jul 2010, 05:52 am
Rather fix Bekker now than next year…
28 Jul 2010, 05:54 am
@whatever(whatever)-129:
Mmm mag mos nie meer die rotang gebruik nie, maybe that is the problem.
I do have some issues with some weird team selections and poor subs during the game as well, this has been happening from day one and no caning will help for that!
28 Jul 2010, 06:10 am
Brandon Cannon’s remarks are on the verge of racism, an unlikely event at the eye rolling beautiful Libs of Auz, it got to tell you something about the level of absurd that this drunken clown brings to the Test rugby environment
28 Jul 2010, 06:28 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-131:
We have got him until the WC I’m afraid, so we can only hope he changes his ways, sees the light, gets his gat skoped so he sees the light or else it is gonna be a looong 2011 and a short WC
28 Jul 2010, 06:29 am
Who is Brandon Cannon?
28 Jul 2010, 06:32 am
@whatever(whatever)-133:
Ja I know, makes me moedeloos and gatvol to see them play the way they playing though.
28 Jul 2010, 07:07 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-107: How in the world did you guess?
. Just didn’t want to be confused with Grant10. Devonport, Auckland has been my home since ’94 – A beautiful little corner of the world and home to the mighty North Shore Rugby Club.
28 Jul 2010, 08:08 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-103:
Lighten up. It was merely a reference to the Bulls getting 80% SA refs this season, hardly an invalid point considering how much youve all been whinging about the Irish refs.
Is a ratio of Kiwi’s to Safas here of 1:100′s not sufficiently comforting for you ?
28 Jul 2010, 08:17 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-106:
Diddums. I have written posts here that say, for eg, 9 ‘nice’ things about SA and 1 ‘bad’ thing and guys like you pounce on the sole negative point only to jump to conclusions about me, allegedly, “hating Sth Africans”. If you’d been here the past 12mths, you may have noticed the bad-traffic has all been 1-way and I’ll let you guess in which direction. Show me 1 Kiwi poster more repulsive than the coward, Heavens Game, and then show me where youve admonished him for bad behaviour.
28 Jul 2010, 08:33 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-112:
*sob*
I wont be able to sleep at night…….
a small selection from YESTERDAY =
98. BLACK PANTHER(BLACK PANTHER) :
July 27th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
@ufo(ufo)-93:
Im not particularly enamoured with every person in NZ, I might add. No country is perfect, apparently. Crikey, Im even stuck in England at the moment….
87. BLACK PANTHER(BLACK PANTHER) :
July 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
@ufo(ufo)-74:
awesome player, F.Steyn.
197. BLACK PANTHER(BLACK PANTHER) :
July 27th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
@Ezee-23(Ezee-23)-196:
Fleck. Now there was a centre.
Its called ‘balance’ – you should familiarise yourself with it some day.
28 Jul 2010, 08:42 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-106:
No “beyond the pale” is saying personal things like (in this same thread):-
@whatever(whatever)-124:
“Some Saffa bloke shagged his wife in the toilets in a pub in London”.
I dont see you admonishing him, Grant. I keep 99% of my posts – whether you like em or not – on strictly rugby matters. This IS a rugby blog after all. Now tell me this kind of stuff is acceptable in your World because this is just the norm for morons like this. Furthermore, some of the racist cr@p about Polynesians that he has willingly spewed here, even knowing I have Polynesian family members, is also “beyond the pale”. How funny tho that you seem to highlight rugby-comments from the minority bloggers instead….
28 Jul 2010, 08:47 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-137: Happy to – as light as a feather I am, but I wouldn’t call some of your comments light.
You wont find a single complaint from me about the refs on this site, but since you raise the point, the most diabolical reffing performances in the Super 14 came from Aussie refs, (one of them a Kiwi).
Not looking comfort in numbers me – I live in a land of 4 million+ Kiwis and I generally try to avoid saffas.
28 Jul 2010, 08:48 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-140: reminds me of being admonished by Puma for referring to Smit as Plod…..but when Ricky Janurie is called Bushpig and Warthog the silence is deafening from these same ladies…..
Pi sses me off big time.
work to do…have a cool day.
28 Jul 2010, 08:58 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-140: Remember to keep it light mate!
“I keep 99% of my posts – whether you like em or not – on strictly rugby matters”.
- Strictly on rugby matters, really? That be your opinion!!
Re whatever’s comments – Agreed, they are beyond the pale. As I said to Hurricane, I’m only an occasional blogger here and so haven’t read any racist rantings from whatever. If I had, I’d have let him know what I thought!
28 Jul 2010, 08:59 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-141:
I look forward to your reply to 140 and whether or not you regard comments like that as “beyond the pale” compared to my rugby-related ones. And I can assure you, Ive had 100′s like that from him and many others.
Im still here tho. Because there are loads of good b@stards here, lots of them Safas, some of them not. But I think you might wish to reassess what you think is ‘beyond the pale’ on a rugby blog.
28 Jul 2010, 09:01 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-143:
Cheers.
28 Jul 2010, 09:04 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-143:
OK, mayyyyyyyyyybe not 99%. But I personally dont think Ive stepped over the limit of acceptable, ever. I admit to making a few references to Safas lack of a sense of humour tho…. but thats hardly comparable to the afforementioned now, is it.
28 Jul 2010, 09:06 am
Good day all trolls, troublemakers, and New Moon haters.
28 Jul 2010, 09:09 am
I might be a troublemaker and a New Moon hater, but I ain’t no troll!
28 Jul 2010, 09:09 am
@grant10(grant10)-142: Please! Don’t try to tar me with that brush. This has nothing to do with your opinion of John Smit, (of which I have read plenty), or the racist slurring of Ricky, (which if I had read I would have admonished). Do you even know me Grant10?
28 Jul 2010, 09:10 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-146:
Saw your post on the clowns thread. Greetings to you, or should I say, Kea ora!
Good to see you and so many of your compatriots back on Keo again!
28 Jul 2010, 09:19 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-146: “Im still here tho. Because there are loads of good b@stards here, lots of them Safas, some of them not. But I think you might wish to reassess what you think is ‘beyond the pale’ on a rugby blog.”
- okay, If that’s why you say you’re here I’ll take it on face value.
Truce. I’ll reflect again on your blogging in the cold light of a new day. Good night!
28 Jul 2010, 09:20 am
PDV inherited the best team in world rugby, I hate to say it but it was a matter of time before the wheels fell off. With Smit and Matfield looking pretty lacklustre recently it really does show who runs this team, I guess this has never been a secret.
PDV is accountable to the SA population for his results. He needs to face up to the problems SA have created for tehmselves and stop trying to shift the balme, There is no doubt he grabs the headlines, unfortunately its for all the wrong reasons!
I think he is more fascinated by a polony sandwhich than the William Webb Eliis
28 Jul 2010, 09:21 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-141:
“I live in a land of 4 million+ Kiwis and I generally try to avoid saffas.”
Pretty difficult thing to do on the North Shore isn’t it?
28 Jul 2010, 09:24 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-153:
Why don’t you stay off SAFFA rugby sites then, if you want to avoid us so much ?
Not very bright are you ?
28 Jul 2010, 09:26 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-153: We like to think of Devonport as Independent!
Long time since I visited Browns Bayfontein!
28 Jul 2010, 09:26 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-153:
Migrants tend to flock, comfort zone thing.
28 Jul 2010, 09:27 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-154:
I think he was quoting Grant in NZ, if you look closer.
28 Jul 2010, 09:27 am
Natives rather restless this morning?
28 Jul 2010, 09:28 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-154: Out of context mate – he was quoting from a previous post of mine. Keep it light!
28 Jul 2010, 09:31 am
I think everyone should just relax.
If anything, we South Africans, Australians and New Zealanders need to have great respect for each other thanks to our decades-long rivalry.
Come on, mates, we even fought together in a few wars!
28 Jul 2010, 10:06 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-160: you’re quite right, plus for some of us this has a sense of deja vu about it
Redneck Boks roasted
Australian rugby critic Spiros Zavos has
branded the Boks the ‘rednecks’ of the Tri
Nations.
Zavos questioned how much the Wallabies
had improved since their 20 point defeat
against the All Blacks. He wrote the Boks
offered so little it was premature to start
celebrating a Wallabies revival.
Zavos continued: “During the Boer War the
Afrikaners nicknamed British troops
“ rednecks”, for the way their pale skin
burnt in the fierce African sun. In rugby
terms, in their inability to adjust to different
conditions away from home, the
Springboks are the “rednecks” of Tri
Nations rugby.
“They have won only twice in Australia
since the tournament began in 1996. They
have won only one Tri Nations Test in New
Zealand, in 1998.
“So in considering the merit of the
Wallabies’ performance, this inability of the
Springboks to win away from home has to
be put into calculations.
“So, too, does their recent poor form. They
scrapped through home victories against a
Barbarians side and Scotland. Then they
were thrashed by France. Now the Wallabies
have recorded their biggest victory against
them in Tests going back to 1921.
“The Springboks were so inept they
probably made the Wallabies look better
than they actually are right now. Don ’t pop
the champagne corks yet.”
This entry was posted on Monday, July
17th, 2006
28 Jul 2010, 10:09 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-161:
Porra!
Is
that
you?
28 Jul 2010, 10:15 am
should have posted the full article. it was really insightful and spot on. Here goes.
Misplaced positive discrimination will hurt South Africa’s gifted black players more than anyone else.
That’s a horrible irony of Peter de Villiers’ increasingly disastrous time in charge of the world champions.
The coaching maestro Robbie Deans continued his promising reconstruction of the Wallabies in Brisbane, but the home side found it relatively easy to wipe out an incoherent Springbok side that is tactically inept and only finds an effective fighting spirit in sporadic bursts.
Saturday night’s clash in Brisbane was a coaching mismatch more than anything else, as were the earlier tests in Auckland and Wellington.
There is no disgrace in losing away games in the Tri-Nations, but the manner of the South African defeats reveals they are wasting their vast playing resources. A failure to eliminate poor discipline also indicates a leadership problem.
De Villiers is a faux test coach, a man who got his lines from a joke shop with a free Groucho moustache thrown in.
South Africa may feel the rest of the world is unduly harsh on de Villiers, but the rest of the rugby community can rightly feel miffed that the game’s leading team doesn’t take the job of head coach seriously enough.
Having been given a leg up to the very top, de Villiers should be made to earn his stripes, increase prowess and prove his ability in the Super 15 while a competent man takes charge of the world champions.
The South African rugby administration were open about de Villiers’ appointment after the 2007 World Cup, saying it had much to do with transformation (from out of the apartheid era) and was not based on his rugby credentials alone.
They could hardly say anything else, though, since de Villiers had only ever been head coach of junior South African teams, along with a couple of nondescript seasons in the Currie Cup.
A difficult decision was made in difficult circumstances but does not have to be set in stone, and de Villiers has dishonoured the position with his ridiculous verbal shenanigans.
International team sport will expose such risky manoeuvring eventually. Head coaches get paid the big bucks because they are actually important – just look at Argentina’s tactical disaster under an impotent Diego Maradona at the World Cup.
What is happening to the Springboks was inevitable under de Villiers, although the cracks have appeared a bit quicker than many of us expected.
Men far more qualified than de Villiers have fallen on hard times with apparently good teams, but those who have earned their stripes through the grades – such as Graham Henry – can fight their way clear.
Sports teams can function superbly when dominated and effectively run by legendary players, but only for a short time. They will self-destruct when age and fading form emerge and the old hands refuse to relinquish power or embrace new trends. Nothing exemplifies this more than the placing of the cumbersome Jean de Villiers on the wing.
Under the new rules, which encourage ball in hand over kicking, the new breed in South Africa must be given their chance to take over, players such as Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh.
But these gifted players, many of them black, will land in the middle of a dysfunctional team, a side run by old players, tight forwards at that, who will fall back on conservative ways.
South African rugby is now finding out the double trouble presented by a political coaching appointment. The successful candidate is unlikely to be good enough for the job and the administration has trouble sacking the bloke when things turn pear-shaped.
The Springboks have world-class players to burn, but they were tied in knots by the Australian shoestring. Just imagine what Henry or Deans might achieve with South Africa’s player pool.
The genius of Deans was there to see in Brisbane. He is building a new Australian rugby, and still coming up with just enough results to keep the vultures at bay.
The Wallabies fielded a couple of rookie puddings in their front row and still the Boks got their just deserts.
Deans has injected skill all over his backline. The immensely strong Will Genia, a Deans protege, is the best halfback in world rugby under the new rules because he busts through holes around the fringes that others don’t see or have the power to create.
The skill factor has been upped by the inclusion of Quade Cooper, who has the most magical hands in rugby, although he is still no Dan Carter. Wing James O’Connor, with two of the fastest feet ever seen on a rugby field, can whirl his way out of almost any situation.
But the Wallabies are down on overall power and tight-five class. Henry’s All Blacks will win well in Melbourne, especially with Cooper suspended.
* Shame on the South African team management for strong-arming an apology out of former Wallaby Brendan Cannon, for calling de Villiers a clown.
The Springboks threatened to withdraw Fox Sport access to their team. South Africa, which is still trying to recover from years under an evil regime, should value the importance of free speech. And Fox should have backed Cannon.
28 Jul 2010, 10:17 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-161:
Yes, you will recall a few days ago I mentioned that the Boks were being called “rednecks” after the 49-0 loss in Brisbane in 2006!
28 Jul 2010, 10:22 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-162: my name is not Porra!
28 Jul 2010, 10:34 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-154: You are not qualified to judge my intelligence.
28 Jul 2010, 10:44 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-147:
who’s that trip-trapping over MY bridge ?!
28 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
Welcome to affirmative action, Chris, and thanks for wanting the boks to be their best! This is what you get when you don’t honour ability, and you place race, egos and politics before.
F our useless self-serving administrators.
28 Jul 2010, 14:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-161: that was quite bizarre to read and then realise that it was from 2006! had a double take at the similarities.
28 Jul 2010, 15:32 pm
I have been waiting for the Puff Divvy appointment to come back and bite us in the ***.
He is underqualified as the coach and he got given the job because of the colour of his skin.
Last year the Boks were lucky to scape through and win against the Lions as well as beating a rubbish NZ team and an even more pathetic Aussie team to win last years tri nations.
Now the wheels have come off because the senior Boks / coaches cannot carry the team any longer and Puff Divvy is the deer left in the headlights.
28 Jul 2010, 16:01 pm
This current feeling that the South African team is always being wronged was very appearant to me when i was talking with white south africans over the world cup when i was there, and seems to be somewhat ingrained….
Not quite sure what causes this sort of paranoia, but it certainly makes beating the saffas all that much sweeter!
28 Jul 2010, 22:39 pm
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-143:
You won’t read any cause there aren’t any………..simple!
28 Jul 2010, 22:54 pm
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-151:
And for the record, wet pantie has dished out a fair wack of below the belt non rugby generalisations about Saffa’s on this site……….and now he is whinging like a stuffed bushpig when it comes back to him??………hahahahaha……..classic. The man is a doos. period!
29 Jul 2010, 01:10 am
@whatever(whatever)-173:
I tell you what, Whatever, Im going to offer you a deal. You can either choose to accept it like a Man, or refuse it like a Coward. It will either make you a Hero here in Keos closed community of Panther-haters, or it will make you a Pariah in the eyes of your own men. Your choice.
Youve done your best here to ‘stalk’ my every move, always with your customary insult in conclusion. Yes, Ive insulted you back because Ive tried my best to describe actual behaviour youve exhibited that marks you out as a ‘moronic imbecile teenager’, or ‘racist scum’, or words to that effect. Im not sure how many times you have now called me a ‘doos’ or a ‘w@nka’ but it is countless. I hope I havent been so immature to return in a similar vein but I apologise if I have, Im fairly sure I havent tho. No matter.
But what Im going to offer you is a chance of a lifetime. You can rid Keo of the Panther for all time. No problem, you have my word. Arrive derci you canine troll, va fanculo you black embittered Kiwi. 7 years here, heart and soul, battling against the numbers, fighting the good fight. Down the drain. Phhhhhhhffft, just like *THAT*.
But should you take that challenge, and fail, you too must offer me your heart on the pulpit of Keo. Arrive derci, va fanculo…..you know the rest. For GOOD.
OK ?
Answer me this:-
To use ‘Grant in NZ’s qualifying standards of what is “beyond the pale” here on the www, in Keo, on a rugby blog for rugby obsessives
THEN
show me ONE post I have entered here in my entire existence – and youve got the whole material all there, recorded in black’n'white for all eternity, you have Transformation & KKK & JL1 & Quota & HG & all your other buddies of ill-repute, champing at the bit in desperation foaming with years of built up rage to help you 24/7 etc etc……
you show me just ONE post that is universally accepted here as more “beyond the pale” than you saying to me:-
“124. WHATEVER(WHATEVER) :
July 28th, 2010 at 5:32 am
unfortunately one or two dooooooos’s like wet panties, who……..well he is just a doos! Some Saffa bloke shagged his wife in the toilets in a pub in London and he is out for revenge”.
Thats my WIFE and the mother of my 3 children youre talking about, pal. We have been faithful to each other for 24 years, through thick AND thin. You crossed the boundary of decency. That was ‘beyond the pale’.
Man up. I will.
If you cant. Then F*CK OFF.
29 Jul 2010, 01:31 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174:
you
sound
drunk
29 Jul 2010, 01:33 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-175:
hard to tell when youre not.
Im having breakfast. Toast and tea.
29 Jul 2010, 01:46 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174:
Well looks like BP is here to stay. Good stuff
29 Jul 2010, 01:49 am
@whatever(whatever)-173: To be fair to BP Whatever, since I was the one who introduced the term “beyond the pale” to this thread, I must agree that your comment in post 124 does go WAY beyond the pale. Easy to post in a blog, but surely you wouldn’t say it to his face? Lets all stick to rugby and “keep it light”
29 Jul 2010, 01:56 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174:
hahahaha…………get a life, I must waste time trawling through the history on this blog to make you happy??
You accuse people of being racist with no foundation dude. Thats beyond the pale. You are lower than shark sh i t at low tide. You dis SA, it’s people and our rugger at every opportunity. A few throw away positive remarks does not smooth over your hatred.
I don’t do deals with the devil and anyway, if you go who then is the doos on the blog??
Man the f uk up yourself!
29 Jul 2010, 01:58 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-178:
I’d say it to his face any day of the week!
Dude, perhaps you should trawl through this blogs history and have a read at this doos’s contribution….then comment!
29 Jul 2010, 02:05 am
@whatever(whatever)-180:
Then I take it that your answer will be:-
(b) refuse it like a Coward
?
I have not proposed this deal with anyone else but you, Whatever. Only you. Noone else.
But you only have the ONE shot at it. So get it right.
Show us what youre made of, Whatever. Show us you can walk your talk.
29 Jul 2010, 02:10 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-181:
That maybe your perception, but we all know what a warped perception you have, don’t we?
I tell you what I will do, I will appologise for bringing your wife into the picture, you are the doos, it’s probably not her fault.
29 Jul 2010, 02:20 am
Class is purported on this site to be permanent.
Ah…. how does it go?
whaaaaaaateva.
29 Jul 2010, 03:37 am
@whatever(whatever)-180: I’ve read some of BP’s contributions and I’ve had it out with him, but I’ve grown weary of the gun slinging – I’d rather just get back to rugby.
Man, I’m sick of SARU and their administration blunders over the years that have hindered the boks. They are core problem with the boks – always have been since reintroduction. The Super 14 proved that SA have the players, but they picked a quota coach and two laughable side kick – **** Muir, coach of the mighty defenseless Lions, and Gary “nobody” Gold. Compare their CVs against those of Henry, Smith, Hanson and Deans – it’s a joke! Lots of bloggers on this site don’t have much time for Jake White, and maybe he isn’t the best coach around, but he was an excellent manager. He surrounded himself with key people and built something out of the rubble left behind by the Strauli era. He put some pride back in the jersey! Mark my words, the boks don’t stand a chance in the World Cup with this lot, and it will be left to someone else to do a Phoenix rising job from the rubble afterwards. I’ll happily eat my words if I’m wrong, but I doubt I’ll have to. Please don’t tell me that the boks had a good year last year. Sure they won the tri nations, but put that down to the players. The ABs and Aus were rebuilding too. The Lions series win wasn’t as convincing as it should have been, and the end of year tour was a disaster! Yes, there have been key injuries, but with the current player depth, sensible selections and a half decent game plan, they should do better! SARU have done PdV no favours – they’ve set him up to fail. The progressive decision would have been to give him 4 years as Heyneke Meyer’s assistant. Or, if they had to pick a coach of “colour”, why oh why couldn’t it be the impressive Allister Coetzee!!? Yes I know, Hoskins hates Jake, and Coetzee has been tarred with that bush… bla, bla, bla. Grrrrrrrrr… it’s frustrating!!!!
29 Jul 2010, 03:44 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-184: side kicks and tarred with that brush – I hate typos. And for the sake of the moderator, that would be the accepted shortening of the name Richard!
29 Jul 2010, 03:46 am
@whatever(whatever)-182: You are just like he thought
29 Jul 2010, 03:50 am
@Waster(Waster)-186:
And you would know? Stick to your own battles chum, don’t butt in where you know nothing, except that wet pantie is a Kiwi…
29 Jul 2010, 03:52 am
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-183:
Exactly dude………..if you want politically correct go blog elsewhere……..a spade is a spade is a doos!
29 Jul 2010, 03:59 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-184:
Fair comment, the thing is wet pantie does not change his tune, it’s the same old same old stick the boot in, low blows to SA all the time…….one has to wonder why the hatred? (It can only be that?)
Got no time for the man, and never will…….
I share your frustration with the politics of SA rugby mate, unfortunately we have to live with it
29 Jul 2010, 08:06 am
@whatever(whatever)-180:
You have now shown your true colours here and nailed them to the post for all to see. You are a Coward, one completely lacking in respect for anyone but yourself, protected only by the anonymous vagaries of of these synthetically-manufactured walls here in cyberspace.
Whereas your well-worn insults thrown at me are based no more than on opinion and surmise, twisted for your own sick self-serving purposes, your refusal to take my offer establishes your Cowardice as FACT, recorded here for perpetuity. Your comments here on this thread, and many many others, are and have been beyond the pale, and yet you continue to cling to some unspecified derogatory insult that allegedly includes a whole nation of persons. You had a unique opportunity to nail me on this one in full view of the Keo Jury. But you could not.
You can not Walk the Walk, because you ARE a Coward.
Fact.
29 Jul 2010, 09:51 am
Blek Panter, wot’s wrong with you bru? You come to an SA site to join the muppets, enjoy one-eyed support of your AB’s, relish slagging off the rudderless Boks and expect everyone to be like Gwant10 and Snotskiet, queing to lick NZ and Oz ring piece.
Man up, this is Africa, corrupt, incompetent and violent. No place for precious squealing Kiwi’s, imitating rugby’s great squealers, Fritzpatprick and McScwaw. Take the advice given to McEnroe about Wobledon, “If you don’t like it here, don’t come”.
29 Jul 2010, 10:42 am
161. Transformation(Transformation) Thank-you for finding this article.
Groundhog day 2006.
Is world cup shaninagans, Same dirty boks comments, same coach clown and same poor reffing and results.
Right out of the Fox propaganda hand book.
What mifs me is why is SARU not deploying media and as we know some paid bloggers on this site are journos.
29 Jul 2010, 11:01 am
@husky(husky)-191:
You appear to have some ketchup on your collar
30 Jul 2010, 11:05 am
I have written for a while that the 3stooges(snor and his two performing clowns gold and muir) will eventually ruin everything that jake white brought to the boks and i would not bet on the boks to win the world cup in NZ if they are still the management team.I have said before snor is a rugby idiot at test level and the other 2 stooges are not much better,but nor is in a class of his own he would make a good comedian as he is a quota rugby and nothing else and he has proved that.I would like to have seen him starting from scratch the way JW did and see how far he would have come,but no snor took over a world cup winning team and preceded to stuff them up what a pity for SA rugby.
30 Jul 2010, 15:49 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174: What he wrote was not cool, and very immature. And personally I think more tasteless than most of the other **** going on here.
That said, you are not all that clean either, theres not many who blog here that are. Unfortunately there’s no rule saying which **** is worse. When you deal out ****, you are bound to get some splashed on your face.
Still agree it was a cowardly remark though.
30 Jul 2010, 16:04 pm
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-175:
No, Le Panther sounds angry.
And rightfully so.
Why do so many of the Keo Muppits hate Panther?
Because you gives them back, “whatever” they dish up.
30 Jul 2010, 16:13 pm
This story is old, we all know Div was an AA/BEE appointment and we all know he isn’t up to the job.
Can we agree to agree on this or disagree on this and move on. He’s not going anywhere fast, the ego or the pay-cheque is too much for that.
Div is the coach, live with it. If you want to make a change get a new 2 and get 2 new assistant coaches.
One that knows something about defence too if possible. And one that concentrates on scoring on the field not off it.
The party bus has to stop with these chaps, you know who I am referring to. I am surprised the guy is still married.
31 Jul 2010, 00:41 am
@TheBoksAreBack(bringbacktheboks)-195:
Until Whatever, or anyone else, comes back with something – anything – that I have said here that is “more beyond the pale” than that, then I believe I can look any person in the eye here and be no less their equal.
If there are enough Panther-haters here with half a modicum of balls, then they’ll take me up on that. But until they can, I say
JUSTICE4 Panther !
31 Jul 2010, 00:43 am
UNLEASH THE HOUNDS !
31 Jul 2010, 01:16 am
tell you what
the only SA expatriate living in New Zealand that frequents these blogs that has much credibility is Tackler
He emigrated and imbibed and absorbed his new country of residence and is reasonably proudly New Zealander
The other saffa hypocrites that ditched their home country, ran with tails tucked between their legs and then come on these blogs defending the country of their origin like they the custodians of all her virtues and patriotism are the biggest two bit sham shackled hypocritical liars who simply can’t deduce their @nuses from their elbows. They can’t fathom out whether they are New Zealander or African, they so confused they got one leg over there and one still firmly entrenched over here and between the two their d!cks are hanging somewhere into the wide Indian Ocean.
These blogs are far richer for the likes of Black Panther, Cane, Hurricane, Capt. Fantail, and a good few other Kiwi contributors, if not for them this place would be dead as a prolific Dodo and boring as snot sh’t hell.
this other twat @ssed imbecilic doos Huthky with the lithp is just a palooka pr’ck that thinks he’s way smarter than he actually is, lot like most saffa schmuckaroo’s that parade around these parts thinking they got something relevantly intelligent cavorting through their dumb f’ck deluded self aggrandized idiocy infatuated brains.
31 Jul 2010, 01:44 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-200:
Im in 2 minds about The Tickler.
On 1 hand, delighted he has emigrated and taken a positive attitude to his new country, wherever that may be. Happier, still, that its my home country. He’s probably the kind of guy who puts something back in to the community whether it be thru school or church or a club. He’d be a great teacher, no nonsense. These guys are the backbone of NZ society, no less. He is contributor and, therefore, welcome.
On the other hand, I can understand that his overtly-antagonistic approach towards the peoples of his birth country are received with some pain. Im not particularly enamoured with 100% of the people of my birth country either, but Im not about to wave a red rag in their faces either. The question youve gotta ask is ‘Is it entirely necessary’ ? Im not sure.
The greatest aspect about Tickler is he has a point of difference here. Some get it through their style (hey Poora-geezer !), others like Tickler get it thru their content. And thank the Keo Gods for that !
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