Div takes a beating – again
27 Jul 2010
P Divvy’s honeymoon period with the overseas media is over. Where they once laughed with him, all they do now is mock the man leading the Springboks’ World Cup defence.
NZ Herald‘s Chris Rattue, in his weekly column, wrote that it was incredible the champions of the rugby world attributed such a lack of importance to who coached the team.
‘De Villiers is a faux test coach, a man who got his lines from a joke shop with a free Groucho moustache thrown in.
‘South Africa may feel the rest of the world is unduly harsh on de Villiers, but the rest of the rugby community can rightly feel miffed that the game’s leading team doesn’t take the job of head coach seriously enough.
‘Having been given a leg up to the very top, de Villiers should be made to earn his stripes, increase prowess and prove his ability in the Super 15 while a competent man takes charge of the world champions.’
Rattue added that the surprise was not at the Boks’ decline, but at how quickly it has all happened.
‘What is happening to the Springboks was inevitable under de Villiers, although the cracks have appeared a bit quicker than many of us expected.
‘Men far more qualified than de Villiers have fallen on hard times with apparently good teams, but those who have earned their stripes through the grades – such as Graham Henry – can fight their way clear.
‘Sports teams can function superbly when dominated and effectively run by legendary players, but only for a short time. They will self-destruct when age and fading form emerge and the old hands refuse to relinquish power or embrace new trends. Nothing exemplifies this more than the placing of the cumbersome Jean de Villiers on the wing.
‘Under the new rules, which encourage ball in hand over kicking, the new breed in South Africa must be given their chance to take over, players such as Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh.
‘But these gifted players, many of them black, will land in the middle of a dysfunctional team, a side run by old players, tight forwards at that, who will fall back on conservative ways.’
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28 Jul 2010, 09:19 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-146: “Im still here tho. Because there are loads of good b@stards here, lots of them Safas, some of them not. But I think you might wish to reassess what you think is ‘beyond the pale’ on a rugby blog.”
- okay, If that’s why you say you’re here I’ll take it on face value.
Truce. I’ll reflect again on your blogging in the cold light of a new day. Good night!
28 Jul 2010, 09:20 am
PDV inherited the best team in world rugby, I hate to say it but it was a matter of time before the wheels fell off. With Smit and Matfield looking pretty lacklustre recently it really does show who runs this team, I guess this has never been a secret.
PDV is accountable to the SA population for his results. He needs to face up to the problems SA have created for tehmselves and stop trying to shift the balme, There is no doubt he grabs the headlines, unfortunately its for all the wrong reasons!
I think he is more fascinated by a polony sandwhich than the William Webb Eliis
28 Jul 2010, 09:21 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-141:
“I live in a land of 4 million+ Kiwis and I generally try to avoid saffas.”
Pretty difficult thing to do on the North Shore isn’t it?
28 Jul 2010, 09:24 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-153:
Why don’t you stay off SAFFA rugby sites then, if you want to avoid us so much ?
Not very bright are you ?
28 Jul 2010, 09:26 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-153: We like to think of Devonport as Independent!
Long time since I visited Browns Bayfontein!
28 Jul 2010, 09:26 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-153:
Migrants tend to flock, comfort zone thing.
28 Jul 2010, 09:27 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-154:
I think he was quoting Grant in NZ, if you look closer.
28 Jul 2010, 09:27 am
Natives rather restless this morning?
28 Jul 2010, 09:28 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-154: Out of context mate – he was quoting from a previous post of mine. Keep it light!
28 Jul 2010, 09:31 am
I think everyone should just relax.
If anything, we South Africans, Australians and New Zealanders need to have great respect for each other thanks to our decades-long rivalry.
Come on, mates, we even fought together in a few wars!
28 Jul 2010, 10:06 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-160: you’re quite right, plus for some of us this has a sense of deja vu about it
Redneck Boks roasted
Australian rugby critic Spiros Zavos has
branded the Boks the ‘rednecks’ of the Tri
Nations.
Zavos questioned how much the Wallabies
had improved since their 20 point defeat
against the All Blacks. He wrote the Boks
offered so little it was premature to start
celebrating a Wallabies revival.
Zavos continued: “During the Boer War the
Afrikaners nicknamed British troops
“ rednecks”, for the way their pale skin
burnt in the fierce African sun. In rugby
terms, in their inability to adjust to different
conditions away from home, the
Springboks are the “rednecks” of Tri
Nations rugby.
“They have won only twice in Australia
since the tournament began in 1996. They
have won only one Tri Nations Test in New
Zealand, in 1998.
“So in considering the merit of the
Wallabies’ performance, this inability of the
Springboks to win away from home has to
be put into calculations.
“So, too, does their recent poor form. They
scrapped through home victories against a
Barbarians side and Scotland. Then they
were thrashed by France. Now the Wallabies
have recorded their biggest victory against
them in Tests going back to 1921.
“The Springboks were so inept they
probably made the Wallabies look better
than they actually are right now. Don ’t pop
the champagne corks yet.”
This entry was posted on Monday, July
17th, 2006
28 Jul 2010, 10:09 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-161:
Porra!
Is
that
you?
28 Jul 2010, 10:15 am
should have posted the full article. it was really insightful and spot on. Here goes.
Misplaced positive discrimination will hurt South Africa’s gifted black players more than anyone else.
That’s a horrible irony of Peter de Villiers’ increasingly disastrous time in charge of the world champions.
The coaching maestro Robbie Deans continued his promising reconstruction of the Wallabies in Brisbane, but the home side found it relatively easy to wipe out an incoherent Springbok side that is tactically inept and only finds an effective fighting spirit in sporadic bursts.
Saturday night’s clash in Brisbane was a coaching mismatch more than anything else, as were the earlier tests in Auckland and Wellington.
There is no disgrace in losing away games in the Tri-Nations, but the manner of the South African defeats reveals they are wasting their vast playing resources. A failure to eliminate poor discipline also indicates a leadership problem.
De Villiers is a faux test coach, a man who got his lines from a joke shop with a free Groucho moustache thrown in.
South Africa may feel the rest of the world is unduly harsh on de Villiers, but the rest of the rugby community can rightly feel miffed that the game’s leading team doesn’t take the job of head coach seriously enough.
Having been given a leg up to the very top, de Villiers should be made to earn his stripes, increase prowess and prove his ability in the Super 15 while a competent man takes charge of the world champions.
The South African rugby administration were open about de Villiers’ appointment after the 2007 World Cup, saying it had much to do with transformation (from out of the apartheid era) and was not based on his rugby credentials alone.
They could hardly say anything else, though, since de Villiers had only ever been head coach of junior South African teams, along with a couple of nondescript seasons in the Currie Cup.
A difficult decision was made in difficult circumstances but does not have to be set in stone, and de Villiers has dishonoured the position with his ridiculous verbal shenanigans.
International team sport will expose such risky manoeuvring eventually. Head coaches get paid the big bucks because they are actually important – just look at Argentina’s tactical disaster under an impotent Diego Maradona at the World Cup.
What is happening to the Springboks was inevitable under de Villiers, although the cracks have appeared a bit quicker than many of us expected.
Men far more qualified than de Villiers have fallen on hard times with apparently good teams, but those who have earned their stripes through the grades – such as Graham Henry – can fight their way clear.
Sports teams can function superbly when dominated and effectively run by legendary players, but only for a short time. They will self-destruct when age and fading form emerge and the old hands refuse to relinquish power or embrace new trends. Nothing exemplifies this more than the placing of the cumbersome Jean de Villiers on the wing.
Under the new rules, which encourage ball in hand over kicking, the new breed in South Africa must be given their chance to take over, players such as Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh.
But these gifted players, many of them black, will land in the middle of a dysfunctional team, a side run by old players, tight forwards at that, who will fall back on conservative ways.
South African rugby is now finding out the double trouble presented by a political coaching appointment. The successful candidate is unlikely to be good enough for the job and the administration has trouble sacking the bloke when things turn pear-shaped.
The Springboks have world-class players to burn, but they were tied in knots by the Australian shoestring. Just imagine what Henry or Deans might achieve with South Africa’s player pool.
The genius of Deans was there to see in Brisbane. He is building a new Australian rugby, and still coming up with just enough results to keep the vultures at bay.
The Wallabies fielded a couple of rookie puddings in their front row and still the Boks got their just deserts.
Deans has injected skill all over his backline. The immensely strong Will Genia, a Deans protege, is the best halfback in world rugby under the new rules because he busts through holes around the fringes that others don’t see or have the power to create.
The skill factor has been upped by the inclusion of Quade Cooper, who has the most magical hands in rugby, although he is still no Dan Carter. Wing James O’Connor, with two of the fastest feet ever seen on a rugby field, can whirl his way out of almost any situation.
But the Wallabies are down on overall power and tight-five class. Henry’s All Blacks will win well in Melbourne, especially with Cooper suspended.
* Shame on the South African team management for strong-arming an apology out of former Wallaby Brendan Cannon, for calling de Villiers a clown.
The Springboks threatened to withdraw Fox Sport access to their team. South Africa, which is still trying to recover from years under an evil regime, should value the importance of free speech. And Fox should have backed Cannon.
28 Jul 2010, 10:17 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-161:
Yes, you will recall a few days ago I mentioned that the Boks were being called “rednecks” after the 49-0 loss in Brisbane in 2006!
28 Jul 2010, 10:22 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-162: my name is not Porra!
28 Jul 2010, 10:34 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-154: You are not qualified to judge my intelligence.
28 Jul 2010, 10:44 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-147:
who’s that trip-trapping over MY bridge ?!
28 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
Welcome to affirmative action, Chris, and thanks for wanting the boks to be their best! This is what you get when you don’t honour ability, and you place race, egos and politics before.
F our useless self-serving administrators.
28 Jul 2010, 14:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-161: that was quite bizarre to read and then realise that it was from 2006! had a double take at the similarities.
28 Jul 2010, 15:32 pm
I have been waiting for the Puff Divvy appointment to come back and bite us in the ***.
He is underqualified as the coach and he got given the job because of the colour of his skin.
Last year the Boks were lucky to scape through and win against the Lions as well as beating a rubbish NZ team and an even more pathetic Aussie team to win last years tri nations.
Now the wheels have come off because the senior Boks / coaches cannot carry the team any longer and Puff Divvy is the deer left in the headlights.
28 Jul 2010, 16:01 pm
This current feeling that the South African team is always being wronged was very appearant to me when i was talking with white south africans over the world cup when i was there, and seems to be somewhat ingrained….
Not quite sure what causes this sort of paranoia, but it certainly makes beating the saffas all that much sweeter!
28 Jul 2010, 22:39 pm
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-143:
You won’t read any cause there aren’t any………..simple!
28 Jul 2010, 22:54 pm
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-151:
And for the record, wet pantie has dished out a fair wack of below the belt non rugby generalisations about Saffa’s on this site……….and now he is whinging like a stuffed bushpig when it comes back to him??………hahahahaha……..classic. The man is a doos. period!
29 Jul 2010, 01:10 am
@whatever(whatever)-173:
I tell you what, Whatever, Im going to offer you a deal. You can either choose to accept it like a Man, or refuse it like a Coward. It will either make you a Hero here in Keos closed community of Panther-haters, or it will make you a Pariah in the eyes of your own men. Your choice.
Youve done your best here to ‘stalk’ my every move, always with your customary insult in conclusion. Yes, Ive insulted you back because Ive tried my best to describe actual behaviour youve exhibited that marks you out as a ‘moronic imbecile teenager’, or ‘racist scum’, or words to that effect. Im not sure how many times you have now called me a ‘doos’ or a ‘w@nka’ but it is countless. I hope I havent been so immature to return in a similar vein but I apologise if I have, Im fairly sure I havent tho. No matter.
But what Im going to offer you is a chance of a lifetime. You can rid Keo of the Panther for all time. No problem, you have my word. Arrive derci you canine troll, va fanculo you black embittered Kiwi. 7 years here, heart and soul, battling against the numbers, fighting the good fight. Down the drain. Phhhhhhhffft, just like *THAT*.
But should you take that challenge, and fail, you too must offer me your heart on the pulpit of Keo. Arrive derci, va fanculo…..you know the rest. For GOOD.
OK ?
Answer me this:-
To use ‘Grant in NZ’s qualifying standards of what is “beyond the pale” here on the www, in Keo, on a rugby blog for rugby obsessives
THEN
show me ONE post I have entered here in my entire existence – and youve got the whole material all there, recorded in black’n'white for all eternity, you have Transformation & KKK & JL1 & Quota & HG & all your other buddies of ill-repute, champing at the bit in desperation foaming with years of built up rage to help you 24/7 etc etc……
you show me just ONE post that is universally accepted here as more “beyond the pale” than you saying to me:-
“124. WHATEVER(WHATEVER) :
July 28th, 2010 at 5:32 am
unfortunately one or two dooooooos’s like wet panties, who……..well he is just a doos! Some Saffa bloke shagged his wife in the toilets in a pub in London and he is out for revenge”.
Thats my WIFE and the mother of my 3 children youre talking about, pal. We have been faithful to each other for 24 years, through thick AND thin. You crossed the boundary of decency. That was ‘beyond the pale’.
Man up. I will.
If you cant. Then F*CK OFF.
29 Jul 2010, 01:31 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174:
you
sound
drunk
29 Jul 2010, 01:33 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-175:
hard to tell when youre not.
Im having breakfast. Toast and tea.
29 Jul 2010, 01:46 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174:
Well looks like BP is here to stay. Good stuff
29 Jul 2010, 01:49 am
@whatever(whatever)-173: To be fair to BP Whatever, since I was the one who introduced the term “beyond the pale” to this thread, I must agree that your comment in post 124 does go WAY beyond the pale. Easy to post in a blog, but surely you wouldn’t say it to his face? Lets all stick to rugby and “keep it light”
29 Jul 2010, 01:56 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174:
hahahaha…………get a life, I must waste time trawling through the history on this blog to make you happy??
You accuse people of being racist with no foundation dude. Thats beyond the pale. You are lower than shark sh i t at low tide. You dis SA, it’s people and our rugger at every opportunity. A few throw away positive remarks does not smooth over your hatred.
I don’t do deals with the devil and anyway, if you go who then is the doos on the blog??
Man the f uk up yourself!
29 Jul 2010, 01:58 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-178:
I’d say it to his face any day of the week!
Dude, perhaps you should trawl through this blogs history and have a read at this doos’s contribution….then comment!
29 Jul 2010, 02:05 am
@whatever(whatever)-180:
Then I take it that your answer will be:-
(b) refuse it like a Coward
?
I have not proposed this deal with anyone else but you, Whatever. Only you. Noone else.
But you only have the ONE shot at it. So get it right.
Show us what youre made of, Whatever. Show us you can walk your talk.
29 Jul 2010, 02:10 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-181:
That maybe your perception, but we all know what a warped perception you have, don’t we?
I tell you what I will do, I will appologise for bringing your wife into the picture, you are the doos, it’s probably not her fault.
29 Jul 2010, 02:20 am
Class is purported on this site to be permanent.
Ah…. how does it go?
whaaaaaaateva.
29 Jul 2010, 03:37 am
@whatever(whatever)-180: I’ve read some of BP’s contributions and I’ve had it out with him, but I’ve grown weary of the gun slinging – I’d rather just get back to rugby.
Man, I’m sick of SARU and their administration blunders over the years that have hindered the boks. They are core problem with the boks – always have been since reintroduction. The Super 14 proved that SA have the players, but they picked a quota coach and two laughable side kick – **** Muir, coach of the mighty defenseless Lions, and Gary “nobody” Gold. Compare their CVs against those of Henry, Smith, Hanson and Deans – it’s a joke! Lots of bloggers on this site don’t have much time for Jake White, and maybe he isn’t the best coach around, but he was an excellent manager. He surrounded himself with key people and built something out of the rubble left behind by the Strauli era. He put some pride back in the jersey! Mark my words, the boks don’t stand a chance in the World Cup with this lot, and it will be left to someone else to do a Phoenix rising job from the rubble afterwards. I’ll happily eat my words if I’m wrong, but I doubt I’ll have to. Please don’t tell me that the boks had a good year last year. Sure they won the tri nations, but put that down to the players. The ABs and Aus were rebuilding too. The Lions series win wasn’t as convincing as it should have been, and the end of year tour was a disaster! Yes, there have been key injuries, but with the current player depth, sensible selections and a half decent game plan, they should do better! SARU have done PdV no favours – they’ve set him up to fail. The progressive decision would have been to give him 4 years as Heyneke Meyer’s assistant. Or, if they had to pick a coach of “colour”, why oh why couldn’t it be the impressive Allister Coetzee!!? Yes I know, Hoskins hates Jake, and Coetzee has been tarred with that bush… bla, bla, bla. Grrrrrrrrr… it’s frustrating!!!!
29 Jul 2010, 03:44 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-184: side kicks and tarred with that brush – I hate typos. And for the sake of the moderator, that would be the accepted shortening of the name Richard!
29 Jul 2010, 03:46 am
@whatever(whatever)-182: You are just like he thought
29 Jul 2010, 03:50 am
@Waster(Waster)-186:
And you would know? Stick to your own battles chum, don’t butt in where you know nothing, except that wet pantie is a Kiwi…
29 Jul 2010, 03:52 am
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-183:
Exactly dude………..if you want politically correct go blog elsewhere……..a spade is a spade is a doos!
29 Jul 2010, 03:59 am
@Grant in NZ(Grant in NZ)-184:
Fair comment, the thing is wet pantie does not change his tune, it’s the same old same old stick the boot in, low blows to SA all the time…….one has to wonder why the hatred? (It can only be that?)
Got no time for the man, and never will…….
I share your frustration with the politics of SA rugby mate, unfortunately we have to live with it
29 Jul 2010, 08:06 am
@whatever(whatever)-180:
You have now shown your true colours here and nailed them to the post for all to see. You are a Coward, one completely lacking in respect for anyone but yourself, protected only by the anonymous vagaries of of these synthetically-manufactured walls here in cyberspace.
Whereas your well-worn insults thrown at me are based no more than on opinion and surmise, twisted for your own sick self-serving purposes, your refusal to take my offer establishes your Cowardice as FACT, recorded here for perpetuity. Your comments here on this thread, and many many others, are and have been beyond the pale, and yet you continue to cling to some unspecified derogatory insult that allegedly includes a whole nation of persons. You had a unique opportunity to nail me on this one in full view of the Keo Jury. But you could not.
You can not Walk the Walk, because you ARE a Coward.
Fact.
29 Jul 2010, 09:51 am
Blek Panter, wot’s wrong with you bru? You come to an SA site to join the muppets, enjoy one-eyed support of your AB’s, relish slagging off the rudderless Boks and expect everyone to be like Gwant10 and Snotskiet, queing to lick NZ and Oz ring piece.
Man up, this is Africa, corrupt, incompetent and violent. No place for precious squealing Kiwi’s, imitating rugby’s great squealers, Fritzpatprick and McScwaw. Take the advice given to McEnroe about Wobledon, “If you don’t like it here, don’t come”.
29 Jul 2010, 10:42 am
161. Transformation(Transformation) Thank-you for finding this article.
Groundhog day 2006.
Is world cup shaninagans, Same dirty boks comments, same coach clown and same poor reffing and results.
Right out of the Fox propaganda hand book.
What mifs me is why is SARU not deploying media and as we know some paid bloggers on this site are journos.
29 Jul 2010, 11:01 am
@husky(husky)-191:
You appear to have some ketchup on your collar
30 Jul 2010, 11:05 am
I have written for a while that the 3stooges(snor and his two performing clowns gold and muir) will eventually ruin everything that jake white brought to the boks and i would not bet on the boks to win the world cup in NZ if they are still the management team.I have said before snor is a rugby idiot at test level and the other 2 stooges are not much better,but nor is in a class of his own he would make a good comedian as he is a quota rugby and nothing else and he has proved that.I would like to have seen him starting from scratch the way JW did and see how far he would have come,but no snor took over a world cup winning team and preceded to stuff them up what a pity for SA rugby.
30 Jul 2010, 15:49 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-174: What he wrote was not cool, and very immature. And personally I think more tasteless than most of the other **** going on here.
That said, you are not all that clean either, theres not many who blog here that are. Unfortunately there’s no rule saying which **** is worse. When you deal out ****, you are bound to get some splashed on your face.
Still agree it was a cowardly remark though.
30 Jul 2010, 16:04 pm
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-175:
No, Le Panther sounds angry.
And rightfully so.
Why do so many of the Keo Muppits hate Panther?
Because you gives them back, “whatever” they dish up.
30 Jul 2010, 16:13 pm
This story is old, we all know Div was an AA/BEE appointment and we all know he isn’t up to the job.
Can we agree to agree on this or disagree on this and move on. He’s not going anywhere fast, the ego or the pay-cheque is too much for that.
Div is the coach, live with it. If you want to make a change get a new 2 and get 2 new assistant coaches.
One that knows something about defence too if possible. And one that concentrates on scoring on the field not off it.
The party bus has to stop with these chaps, you know who I am referring to. I am surprised the guy is still married.
31 Jul 2010, 00:41 am
@TheBoksAreBack(bringbacktheboks)-195:
Until Whatever, or anyone else, comes back with something – anything – that I have said here that is “more beyond the pale” than that, then I believe I can look any person in the eye here and be no less their equal.
If there are enough Panther-haters here with half a modicum of balls, then they’ll take me up on that. But until they can, I say
JUSTICE4 Panther !
31 Jul 2010, 00:43 am
UNLEASH THE HOUNDS !
31 Jul 2010, 01:16 am
tell you what
the only SA expatriate living in New Zealand that frequents these blogs that has much credibility is Tackler
He emigrated and imbibed and absorbed his new country of residence and is reasonably proudly New Zealander
The other saffa hypocrites that ditched their home country, ran with tails tucked between their legs and then come on these blogs defending the country of their origin like they the custodians of all her virtues and patriotism are the biggest two bit sham shackled hypocritical liars who simply can’t deduce their @nuses from their elbows. They can’t fathom out whether they are New Zealander or African, they so confused they got one leg over there and one still firmly entrenched over here and between the two their d!cks are hanging somewhere into the wide Indian Ocean.
These blogs are far richer for the likes of Black Panther, Cane, Hurricane, Capt. Fantail, and a good few other Kiwi contributors, if not for them this place would be dead as a prolific Dodo and boring as snot sh’t hell.
this other twat @ssed imbecilic doos Huthky with the lithp is just a palooka pr’ck that thinks he’s way smarter than he actually is, lot like most saffa schmuckaroo’s that parade around these parts thinking they got something relevantly intelligent cavorting through their dumb f’ck deluded self aggrandized idiocy infatuated brains.
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