Regan rocks Jake’s comeback
27 Jul 2010
MARK KEOHANE says Jake White won’t coach the Boks again as long as Regan Hoskins is Saru president.
Hoskins on Monday admitted the world champions did not have the best at the helm. But here’s the kicker. In an interview with the Cape Argus, Hoskins said Bok coach Peter de Villiers was no worse than World Cup winning coach Jake White, with Hoskins saying the two were on par as far as coaching goes.
‘We’re concerned about the losses. We shouldn’t change the personnel – in other words we shouldn’t sack the coach. I wouldn’t say he’s the best coach in the world, but I wouldn’t say he’s inferior to Jake White. I’d say they are on a par,’ said Hoskins in the interview. ‘My issue with the coach is his media comments – I think that detracts from his ability. That’s where I’d like to concentrate.’
Hoskins, when De Villiers was appointed, said his own choice was Heyneke Meyer and that De Villiers’ appointment was based on issues greater than rugby. It was a transformation appointment.
Once again Hoskins has highlighted this by publicly saying his coach – the coach of the Tri-Nations and world champions – is not the best in the business. White, though, will feel insulted that Hoskins considers his successor to be his equal as an international coach.
The comment is ignorant and outrageous because you can’t compare De Villiers to White when it comes to technical ability. However, it is not unexpected as there is no love lost between Hoskins and White.
Last year Hoskins said the Boks were a better team under De Villiers than they were under White and a happier team. In a news statement he lauded De Villiers’ tenure as the Bok coach.
White on Sunday told Rapport newspaper that he would apply for the Bok job post the 2011 World Cup, but given the history between Hoskins and White there now seems little chance the World Cup-winning coach would be a consideration.
Hoskins is at the helm for the next four years as president and that would mean the last two would overlap with any new Bok coaching appointment. Hoskins is still a believer in Meyer, and when De Villiers goes Meyer will be the first recommendation.
Hoskins has never forgiven White for what he wrote about his relationship (as president and coach) in his autobiography Black & White.
And to have put it so bluntly in an interview – what he thinks of White as a coach – tells you if it is up to Hoskins, White will remain a part of Bok rugby history and not the future.
This is the fight White will be up against if he is serious about wanting to coach the Boks again.
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27 Jul 2010, 14:30 pm
circus !
27 Jul 2010, 14:32 pm
far rather have Heyneke,Mallet,Solomons than White anyway.
27 Jul 2010, 14:32 pm
Hoskins is being pretty honest imo.
27 Jul 2010, 14:32 pm
Why would we want a good coach when we have PDiv? Need to stay with the best! Look at the results!! hehe!
27 Jul 2010, 14:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-2: not Ludeke the coach of the double S14 winners?
27 Jul 2010, 14:33 pm
Oooh foook , net toe ek dink ons rugby is gesond begin dit weer kraak en sommer moerse kraake.
27 Jul 2010, 14:37 pm
Keo, I think you know as well as I do the timing of White’s remark of wanting his old job back was perfectly timed.
Nothing happens out of chance and where White had to sit quietly by last year when Hoskins had a go at him saying PDV was a better coach for the Boks or the Boks were better than him it is now White’s turn to tighten the screws on Hoskins with the other rumor of players wanting him to return to the setupin some way gathering momentum, and PDV’s much publicised unhappiness with his support staff earlier in the year.
But yes, everyone loves a circus.
Best theatre in the world this.
27 Jul 2010, 14:38 pm
This is more a political issue than a sporting one.
Rugby and the fans will suffer in the end.
27 Jul 2010, 14:39 pm
I’d say these comments are fair. PdV is not inferior to White (just look at record), but they are by no means the best in the business as their are many more superior coaches in world rugby. We do well because of our players physical talent, not because of our Superior Brains Trust. Everybody knows this.
27 Jul 2010, 14:39 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-8:
This is even more an issue of ego’s than it is one of politics.
27 Jul 2010, 14:39 pm
Meyer any day! Fake White always had to call in the knowledgeable like Jones. He was not that good but relied on his back ups to assist.
A coach or captain or player for that, that talks bad about anyone in the team shouldn’t be at the helm or in the team.
In the old days problems were sorted out at practice and one on one – now in books and in the press.
27 Jul 2010, 14:40 pm
Yawn, I’m going back to a rugby thread.
27 Jul 2010, 14:40 pm
Jeepers, this website makes me laugh sometimes. I mean how dare anyone compare Div with the darling White!!??
Compare their results at the same stage in their Bok career, and I’m quite sure you’ll find their records are similar, in fact i’m sure Div is ahead.
White was also average… just like Div. WE have short memories in this country
27 Jul 2010, 14:41 pm
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-12:
There is one?
Where?
27 Jul 2010, 14:46 pm
White is a cheesehead.Enough said.
27 Jul 2010, 14:51 pm
*** for Tat. Hand bags at 40 yards…
White saying he should never have been forced into a position of resignation and Hoskins saying that the ‘appointment based on issues greater than rugby’ was the right one.
Only thing is while this girly cat fight was going on, you had coaches like Heyneke Meyer on the sidelines being wasted.
27 Jul 2010, 14:55 pm
Another year another slap in the face. What an insult when your ‘boss’ says you are ” not the best ” and this after victories against the BL, TN champs all in one year.
I hope you all realise what happens when you go for weak, non-thinking, peripheral people of colour. Go for the best even if they diificult to control because they are principled around the concept of non-racialism. They are there,lots of them but they are not a r s ecreeps unfortunately and are unlikely to be found in ‘Die Ou Transvaal’ and definitely not in Tshwane.
27 Jul 2010, 14:56 pm
the rugby world must be laughing their arses off! What a shambles…..
let’s see, there was Louis Luyt, Markies with his remark, harry with his ‘vision’, mallet fired for voicing an opinion on ticket prices, strauli’s staaldraad and white’s watson debacle…..now we were treated to PDV’s rants.
SARU has been a joke ever since Nelson Mandela was released…not that the two have anything to do with each other.
27 Jul 2010, 14:58 pm
Can someone tell me what makes Meyer head and shoulders above the other candidates…like say AC, Frans, Naka, Plum etc… I would like facts not opinion..
27 Jul 2010, 14:59 pm
Anyone remember when Keo thought Jake White was the worst thing in the game of rugby? He practically vomited when he spoke about him & now this…
If nothing else, stand by your principles, not who can get you the best publishing deal…
27 Jul 2010, 15:00 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-18: Quite right, Luyt predates Madiba being released.
27 Jul 2010, 15:00 pm
The coach that said the least and did the most is still legend..Kitch Christie.
27 Jul 2010, 15:02 pm
@The Bill(The Bill)-21: in terms of SARU rugby he doesn’t. only go involved after 92….before that he was TRU president….whilst moonlighting as a fertilizer salesman
27 Jul 2010, 15:04 pm
Eddie Jones said, White would even consider making Luke Watson his captain, if he gets the nod,
Bath already appointed him there new skipper.
27 Jul 2010, 15:06 pm
Thank you Regan.Let that bugger rem
ain history,he is clueless anyway.I also dont believe in Heyneke either,his methods are outdated that why he failed at Leicester Tigers,no wonder the Lions didn’t want him either.Rather go for someone dynamic like Alistair.
27 Jul 2010, 15:06 pm
I dont think Hoskins’ comment is “ignorant and outrageous” – at this stage of their respective Bok coaching careers, White and PDiv are on par, if anything, PDiv has the edge as he has a Lions win, and wins in NZ… White and him are then equal on the 3Nations win…
For all the apparent “technical ability” of White, PDiv has actually accomplished more.
This is one of the mysteries of a great coach/team and to make a winning team. You can never put your finger on the exact recipe
27 Jul 2010, 15:06 pm
Kitch was the bomb buddy…..it took a Scot to teach us how to play rugby!
27 Jul 2010, 15:09 pm
@theOracle(theOracle)-19: The massive difference he made at the Bulls taking them from last to first in the Super 14; the amount of Currie Cups they won with Meyer as coach, and the also the amount of quality players developed while he was there.
His player management is apparently very good, and he knows when he needs to get people in to help him with the coaching.
27 Jul 2010, 15:10 pm
I’d like to see Allister Coetzee have a go. Mind you I really wouldn’t mind if it was Heyneke Meyer either.
BUT, I don’t think its as bad a we are making it out to be. Some guys desperately need a rest/reconditioning program (Smit, Matfield, Spies, Burger, Habana, Steyn). Some guys need to return from injury etc. (Smith, Brussouw, Du Plessis, Du Preez, and now bekker) and we need to make some smarter selections. Unfortunately Olivier hasn’t stepped up, yet again, and playing De Villiers on the wing was a disaster.
The Tri-Nations is all but over for us, give the back-ups (De Jongh, Aplon, Potgieter, Flouw, Hougaard, even Chilliboy a run). The youth might do us some good.
the above considered for the home leg:
1. Steenkamp
2. Rallepele
3. vd Linde
4. Russouw
5. vd Merwe
6. Flouw
7. Smith
8. Kankowski
9. Pienaar
10. James
11. Hougaard
12. De Jongh
13. Fourie
14. Pietersen
15. Aplon
27 Jul 2010, 15:11 pm
Somebody please send these polookas on a PR course. All of them – president, coaches, players, ex coaches, groundsman, accountant, family, friends…the whole bloody lot!
Red faced in Green and Gold!
27 Jul 2010, 15:13 pm
@BESTER(BESTER)-24:
seriously…???
sheesh… good to see jake is a man of principle… sticks to his guns…
unless he wants his old job back…!!
seems JS has got a bit too slow fetching those beers…
27 Jul 2010, 15:14 pm
@BESTER(BESTER)-24: A couple of things – as far as I can tell Bath have not appointed him as their skipper.
And also where did you see Eddie Moans say that?
27 Jul 2010, 15:15 pm
if we had nz’s rugby administration we would have dominated world rugby long ago…..that’s a fact.
27 Jul 2010, 15:16 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-28: How did they, the Great Northern Transvaal team, get to be to be so bad, I mean who coached them to last in the S14?
27 Jul 2010, 15:20 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-32:
Dawson: keep Claassens as captain
England rugby legend, Matt Dawson, says he thinks Bath may have made a mistake by not keeping Michael Claassens as captain for the coming season.
The club have opted to give the captaincy role to Luke Watson who has only just joined the club.
I’ll get you Eddie’s quote
27 Jul 2010, 15:23 pm
Can anyone tell me why Spies has become so anonymous during the last couple of games?
27 Jul 2010, 15:23 pm
@theOracle(theOracle)-34: From my understanding, very poor administration, poor coaches, a failure to adapt to the professional era etc.
Heyneke is credited with bringing about a massive change at the Bulls, installing quality coaches from under 19s upwards, installing decent structures and in improving professionalism.
There is probably a degree of hero worship that goes on, and the legend is probably greater than the man in real life, but there can be no doubting what he acheived with the Bulls.
27 Jul 2010, 15:25 pm
White wasn’t the greatest coach, but he was a pretty decent manager. His strength was surrounding himself with the right people.
27 Jul 2010, 15:27 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-38: what, like team manager silas ngkula or whatever his name was? Ha!
27 Jul 2010, 15:27 pm
Ok, this was pretty senseless by Regan Hoskins as there is no benefit to him to make his thoughts public. Pdivvie is on par with Jake White and if you take his record against the top 4 nations, its better! Yes, go look!
So imo opinion fuc Stavos, Richard Loe and whoever. These experts overseas coming down on our coach have a lot to say about us but guess what their teams hasn’t won the world cup since the end of the amateur era (2001).
So now the feeble amongst us come out and portray these overseas comments as gospel. Guess what leaving your team when they need you most is probably a portrayal of SA today. Its great when its good but when there is the slightest wind, everybody turns on each other.
I think PDivvie should get Matt Proudfoot and Alistair Coetzee in as assistants as well as Tim Noakes as fitness consultant.
27 Jul 2010, 15:29 pm
Heyneke was offered the job after Rudolph I-am-white-and-not-qualified Straueli f’d up. He declined.
27 Jul 2010, 15:29 pm
@theOracle(theOracle)-34: Hey *******, It was HM when his wife battled cancer (fact)
….. and they didnt allow HM to implement the structures he designed (fact) it was only after another 2 coaches cocked up that they were with their to back against the wall (fact) and only then bought into the HM blue print (fact) it took him 2 years with a 6th place and then a win (fact) after he was allowed to get the feeder systems and talent identification in place, not to mention the coaching classes to school teachers…. or the conditioning programmes for young talent!
Any other sarcastic questions you would like to ask?
27 Jul 2010, 15:29 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-40: the end of the amateur era was 1995 – what are you on about?
27 Jul 2010, 15:30 pm
“Hoskins, when De Villiers was appointed, said his own choice was Heyneke Meyer and that De Villiers’ appointment was based on issues greater than rugby. It was a transformation appointment.”
Did Hoskins really say that PdV was a transformation appointment? Did he say those words? Does anyone have a transcrtip of the interview?
27 Jul 2010, 15:31 pm
@BESTER(BESTER)-35:
Strange, I got a completely different quote:
World Cup-winning scrum-half Matt Dawson believes Michael Claassens should continue to skipper Bath Rugby this coming season.
“Michael Claassens is a great player,” said the retired England legend. “He is very well respected and he is someone Bath need. I think he quite enjoyed the responsibility on and off the field last season. I can’t believe he won’t be captain again.
“Michael has been at the club for a few years and perhaps has more of a Bath vibe about him than Luke Watson who has just been there for a season.
“But Watson did come in and play well and he does have great leadership qualities.”
thisisbath . co . uk
27 Jul 2010, 15:32 pm
Frans Ludeke???????!!!
Ok, so Heyneke Meyer took 7 years to build the Bulls team. He was fired twice during that period.
Frans Ludeke was also fired twice from the Lions nogal. Now suddenly he is the best coach in SA? So its ok to say Pdivvie used Jake White’s Boks to win but its sheer Frans Ludeke genius that moulded the Bulls into a winning team. Give me an F’in break.
Heyneke didn’t want the job when it was offered. Jake WHite knew for 2 years his job was on the line. Between cheating on his wife, could Jake not fill out his CV?
27 Jul 2010, 15:33 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-43:
Hahahaha, really? Ask anybody outside of the top 5 rugby unions in SA if that’s the case?
27 Jul 2010, 15:34 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-41: he declined because JW did not apply before the cut-off date and then SARFU requested him to apply extending the closing date, in HM eyes they then already made up their minds, and thus withdrew due to their lack of professionalism…… cant fault this man’s integrity?!?
27 Jul 2010, 15:35 pm
someone as dynamic as Allister “F*ck the bonus point, we just want to win” Coetzee??
27 Jul 2010, 15:37 pm
@Tisme(Tisme)-48:
Whatever, you at least have to try or show desire or fight.
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