Regan rocks Jake’s comeback
27 Jul 2010
MARK KEOHANE says Jake White won’t coach the Boks again as long as Regan Hoskins is Saru president.
Hoskins on Monday admitted the world champions did not have the best at the helm. But here’s the kicker. In an interview with the Cape Argus, Hoskins said Bok coach Peter de Villiers was no worse than World Cup winning coach Jake White, with Hoskins saying the two were on par as far as coaching goes.
‘We’re concerned about the losses. We shouldn’t change the personnel – in other words we shouldn’t sack the coach. I wouldn’t say he’s the best coach in the world, but I wouldn’t say he’s inferior to Jake White. I’d say they are on a par,’ said Hoskins in the interview. ‘My issue with the coach is his media comments – I think that detracts from his ability. That’s where I’d like to concentrate.’
Hoskins, when De Villiers was appointed, said his own choice was Heyneke Meyer and that De Villiers’ appointment was based on issues greater than rugby. It was a transformation appointment.
Once again Hoskins has highlighted this by publicly saying his coach – the coach of the Tri-Nations and world champions – is not the best in the business. White, though, will feel insulted that Hoskins considers his successor to be his equal as an international coach.
The comment is ignorant and outrageous because you can’t compare De Villiers to White when it comes to technical ability. However, it is not unexpected as there is no love lost between Hoskins and White.
Last year Hoskins said the Boks were a better team under De Villiers than they were under White and a happier team. In a news statement he lauded De Villiers’ tenure as the Bok coach.
White on Sunday told Rapport newspaper that he would apply for the Bok job post the 2011 World Cup, but given the history between Hoskins and White there now seems little chance the World Cup-winning coach would be a consideration.
Hoskins is at the helm for the next four years as president and that would mean the last two would overlap with any new Bok coaching appointment. Hoskins is still a believer in Meyer, and when De Villiers goes Meyer will be the first recommendation.
Hoskins has never forgiven White for what he wrote about his relationship (as president and coach) in his autobiography Black & White.
And to have put it so bluntly in an interview – what he thinks of White as a coach – tells you if it is up to Hoskins, White will remain a part of Bok rugby history and not the future.
This is the fight White will be up against if he is serious about wanting to coach the Boks again.
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27 Jul 2010, 16:49 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-98: 5 nations in 4 weeks… go back to school kid
27 Jul 2010, 16:51 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-99: You speak truth
27 Jul 2010, 16:54 pm
@Ig(Ig)-100: I agree…not sure what the rush is to throw in the towel with this current Bok team and management. We are also missing 6 players who would make a significant impact.
I think we should wait until after the next 3 matches are played to see where we stand. Should we win all three all it says to me is that it’s standard business as usual in that all three teams are good at home. With the upper hand going to NZ who will be hosting the WC.
27 Jul 2010, 17:01 pm
@RaGe_Xx(RaGe_Xx)-101: Yes, will play Fiji on Saturday, Samoa midweek, then Argentina and England on the weekends, The Boks have just played 3 tests in 3 weeks against number 1 and number 3 in the world, surely they can handle four minnows and 1 home nation, in fact here is there squad.
1. Guthro, Beast
2. Chilliboy, Smit
3. BJ, CJ
4. Rossouw,Fondse
5. Matfield, Bekker
6. Schalk, Brussouw
7. Juan, Flo
8. Potties, Spies
9. Ruan, Ricster
10. Steyn, Butch
11. Habana, Nokwe
12. JDV, JDJ
13. Mossie,
14. Aplon, Basson
15. Steyn, Jantjes
Anyway this is hypothetical, the point was/is Jake White played against Fiji, Samoa, USA, Argentina and England and now some of you are making him out to be a freakin genius, **** that!!!
27 Jul 2010, 17:05 pm
@AJ(AJ)-93: quiet true, in fact, had Regan said the coach is the best in the world, Keo and his side-kicks would have made a headline about it, so whatever Regan says will always be twisted to suite the agenda.
27 Jul 2010, 17:11 pm
Can anyone remind me which Keo-blogger resides in Paris ?
27 Jul 2010, 17:15 pm
So how many tests have Pdivvy lost with a margin of 49 points? And how often has he lost 5 in a row?
27 Jul 2010, 17:24 pm
all 88791 tickets sold in soccer city for kiwi test.
27 Jul 2010, 17:25 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-104: Let me start by saying, I won’t appoint him as coach again due to the way how he handled Schalk Brits in the media. Luke Watson brought it onto himself when his dad helped him get a selection, so I won’t completely blame JW for that one.
However, a WC win is a WC win! It’s like an Olympic gold medal. For the next 4 years you are the World Champs/Olympic gold medalist.
That said, I hope they appoint Rassie/AC next year. Rassie as director and AC as coach. They took the Stormers from a poofter team to playing in the final.
27 Jul 2010, 17:32 pm
@Wolf(Wolf)-99: The worry for me in this is the idea that as part of our World Cup winning strategy we have to be humilated in the Tri-Nations the year before the world cup, and more importantly lose the psychological edge of beating New Zealand in New Zealand – the country of the World Cup.
The problem is not so much that we lost, but rather the manner in which we lost. We seemed sterile, and bereft of ideas. We also didn’t adapt from one test to next, and appeared to be tactically inept.
It is all good saying that we have won the World Cup from the same position, but this fails to consider the manner in which we lost, and also a million other facts that surrounded our World Cup victory.
27 Jul 2010, 17:34 pm
He should just speak in Afrikaans and get an interpreter, all the European and South American football coaches speak in their mother tongue.
However, I suspect there would be political issues regarding such a move.
27 Jul 2010, 17:43 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-110: What did our “pychological edge” get us this season.??
27 Jul 2010, 17:44 pm
WPW et al, Torres has just confirmed he is staying at Pool
27 Jul 2010, 17:58 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-110: Do agree with you to a certain extent…and do agree that if we had won in NZ we would of help a psycological edge for next years WC…but that being said there is A…a lot of rugby still to be played between now and next’s years WC including another Tri-Nations…and B…correct me if I’m wrong but for the most past the All Blacks have ALWAYS held the psycological edge going into the past WC’s and we all know how much that helped them.
My thoughts are simple…lets wait and see where we are after this Tri-Nations and take it from there. Can our boys turn it around…because if they do…other teams will take note.
I bring up similarities to 06/07 only to illustrate and even though we thought we were dead and buried for 07 we won. I even remember a panel discussion with all the previous WC winners asking which team would be the biggest failure…and John Eales said the Boks.
Cheers.
27 Jul 2010, 17:59 pm
If jake white was such a great coach why hasn’t someone else hired him I agree with hoskins
27 Jul 2010, 18:02 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-110: Even more worryng is the fact that the majority of players are 4 years older and we have yet to see a young face in our team.
Unfortunately SA Rugby is now reaping the rewards of is own policies. When last did we see an U19 or U21 team in a world cup final? Just look at the Craven week selctions and tell me if the team selected consists of the strongest school players (not provincial players as quota politics comes into play in provincial selections). Why si development money lining the pockets of teh development officers and nto being spent in develpoing school player talent whatever colour or creed they may be? WE haev no policy forget abotu team level, we have no national sport policy either than vying for mediocrity so what do you expect.
We have finally hit where we want to be, mediocrity, the simple admission that we have a coach that is not the best but meets the greater aim of “transformation” criteria and politics proves it. What are we transforming a winning team into a losing one by appointing incomptent joe? Anyway if the boks continue to lose spectators will start voting with their feet and then we ‘ll see the demise of rugby as a sport of excellence in SA. Maybe by tehn soccer may have sorted its own p[roblems out so we will have at least a team selected on merit to cheer for even if they are pretty *****.
27 Jul 2010, 18:21 pm
Snort the Affirmative Action m o n k e y
27 Jul 2010, 18:23 pm
@Objective 101(Objective 101)-116:
Quotas will be the death of SA rugby
ANC will be the death of SA
lol @ your soccer comment
bafana is a fully racist team
27 Jul 2010, 18:28 pm
@Boksarenumber5(Boksarenumber1)-117: No need to be insulting to the person but he is way out of his depth. Only more losses wil make people chaneg their mind. Forget about JW I am looking at present times.
27 Jul 2010, 18:35 pm
Bring the Beast and Smith back!!!
27 Jul 2010, 18:43 pm
Bob Dywer one of the greatest rugby minds said this
“KIRCHNER IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT DOUBT HE IS WORLD CLASS,
APLON I LIKE HIM
FRANS STEYN IS A MUST
MORNE STEYN I AM IMPRESSED WITH HIS DEVELOPEMENT BUT
IT WOULD BE VERY IMPRESSIVE FOR HIM TO PLAY WELL IF YOU HAVE ‘DUDS’ INSIDE AND OUTSIDE YOU”
Referring to Januarie and Olivier
South Africa’s rugby minds are idiots
27 Jul 2010, 18:58 pm
Lol Jake must be on some heavy medication
27 Jul 2010, 19:27 pm
The people have spoken. Heyneke Meyer should be the next Bok coach.
However, I think PDV is a good coach when he is humble. Over the last year or so, he has probably been the opposite of humble. If he changes his attitude over the next few weeks, then the Springboks can be strong again.
27 Jul 2010, 19:38 pm
Difference, bar colour between Jake and PDV.Jake started building PDV modifying.To modify something is not unusual,I did it myself in order to extract more power, high lift camshafts,pistons,skimmed heads, carbs,you name it, I had it.
Later in life after I had learnt my lesson,that is a better
to buy a fast car and leave as it is,it was too late.Wish
I had some of the dough back though might come in handy today.
Guess PDV is still to learn the drawbacks of the modification
game to.Some of the Boks look seriously overweight,as if on
weight gain programme.
27 Jul 2010, 19:43 pm
@Brentie1(Brentie1)-124:
Nothing that can’t be fixed. If PDV becomes humble, he can improve his selections.
If you’re hoping we will win the next RWC, you can forget about it. NZ extremely unlikely to lose at home, and PDV’s planning for the World Cup has been bad.
Jake White’s planning for the RWC was great, but that was all he had to offer. We also had some luck during the RWC, and if we didn’t have that then Jake White would forever be remembered as a mediocre coach.
In summary, there are pros and cons to the two coaches. Right now I wish Heyneke Meyer had been in charge, but I know PDV can still turn things around if he changes his attitude.
27 Jul 2010, 19:53 pm
there was no luck. NZ lost to France – therefor France was the better team. France & Aus lost to england = England was the better team … we beat england … we are the champs …as easy as that ….
We can’t say Spain were lucky – cause they never played Brazil
27 Jul 2010, 20:04 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-126:
France scored a try from a forward pass and had a lot of decisions go their way in the match against New Zealand. New Zealand was evidently in poor form. In the knockout stages, the Boks were poor against weaker teams like Fiji, the USA and Argentina. They somehow managed to wake up when it really mattered.
Things could have been different. On top of that, Jake White managed to get Eddie Jones as a consultant. He was reportedly an influential part of the coaching set up. What if Eddie Jones had been unavailable?
South Africa has made very brief appearances at the top of the IRB rankings, whereas NZ has dominated. If you don’t think there was any luck in this victory, then you can prepare yourself for bitter dissapointment in the future.
27 Jul 2010, 20:35 pm
Well, well, well!
Seems that the Lang messe are out and the “get rid of PDV” is gathering momentum
Harry Viljoen resigned because of that sort of pressure
Jake White use to say, or was it it Nick Mallet, that you get 2 types of Bok coaches.Those that have been fired and those that will be fired
27 Jul 2010, 21:29 pm
I was a Jake White fan.
The man restored pride in the Springboks.
Not the best coach. He had his limitations. But the best of a very sad bunch that marked SA’s worst period of results in their history:- 1997 with Du Plessis and post the 1999 RWC with Viljoen and Streauli.
But Jake has had his chance. Time for a new direction and fresh ideas.
I also think the timing of his statements reflects poorly on him.
But re the recent performances… let’s be brutally honest:
Januarie
Olivier
Jean de Villiers on the wing
Kirchner
Kankowski
These players aren’t the best in their positions? What were they doing on the field?
Beast
Bismark
Juan Smith
Heinrich Brussow
Fourie Du Preez
Frans Steyn
JP P
These players are all not available for one reason or another (mostly injury)
Matfield
Smit
These players either need a long break if they have any hope of reaching the 2011 RWC, or a bick kick up their arses.
Sack the first list, get the 2nd list back and motivate the third list and voila, big difference to the team.
27 Jul 2010, 21:44 pm
Jake cannot add value to the Boks.
It’s as simple as that. We need not discuss it any further.
What he has achieved tho is to become one of rugby’s most self-absorbed an narcissistic characters.
How can someone be so out of touch with where he is at?
27 Jul 2010, 22:32 pm
By definition, White IS or WAS the “best in the world”. So if PdV is not, then he clearly is not as good as White.
How the HELL can you be happy with a coach that is NOT the best in the world? Hell, we should be the leaders of teh world – we have the most passion for the game, and the largest pool of very talented personell (players and coaching wise). How can he be satisfied with mediocity?
27 Jul 2010, 22:38 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-130:
Jake White can always add value, even did so at the GLRU if only they followed through with it.
Being self-absorbed & narcissistic doesn’t mean he doesn’t know his rugby.
27 Jul 2010, 22:46 pm
Jake had a 66% win record. Currently PDV has — guess what? — a 66% record.
Looks at the scoreboard.
It’s six of one and half-a-dozen of the other.
Jake really wasn’t crash-hot. Mediocre is the word. Div too.
Graham Henry has an 81% win record.
27 Jul 2010, 22:47 pm
I think the lesson to be learned here is don’t employ any coach at National level until they’ve proven themselves at the highest domestic level .i.e. Currie Cup.
27 Jul 2010, 22:49 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-126: Spanish chests would be puffed out a whole lot further if they somehow HAD beaten Brazil. They know that. So do you.
27 Jul 2010, 22:58 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-133:
Grey-ham Henry.
Please advise him to plan in advance whether he will clap his hands, punch the air or give his mate a high 5 when something good happens during the game.
He also looks so tentative. Almost as if he wonders whether Paddy’s plan will actually come to fruition.
For example: Will they do a replay that shows that Nonu did not ground the ball?
Someone must have given the brief: the higher the likelihood that the AB score the higher the number of replays. It is for that reason that Nonu’s was replayed for a maximum of 1 time.
When Nonu’s mates asked him: did you get it, in other words, did you ground the ball, he simply nodded because he did, but only AFTER the ref awarded the try
27 Jul 2010, 23:03 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-133:
Give it time, Peter’s year from hell is just getting started.
27 Jul 2010, 23:05 pm
Note to the RWC2011 RWC organisers: please ensure that the lighting at the stadiums = sufficient
Boks not used to play in candlelight, which is 30% why they were beaten in NZ; 60% to ref and the rest due to boredom
27 Jul 2010, 23:05 pm
Jakey had 66.7%
PDV has 65.6%
So Henry has lost 19%…
Well every 4 years you can guarantee 1 loss to France at the RWC…
The vast majority of the rest… and I mean the vast majority… 7 out of 12 losses … have been to the Boks.
27 Jul 2010, 23:07 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-138:
I know how you feel.
I sat through a game in 2007,it was a final of some trophy. These teams had perfect lighting and good refs yet they still made the game boring.
27 Jul 2010, 23:08 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-130: Jake is his own worst enemy. I’m sure I speak for many who believe the man has an opinion of himself one step too far. Confidence is one thing. Arrogance is quite another. Consider the following: Mallett found him surplus to requirements. He won a WC and was promptly relieved of his duties. He has been ‘coach jobless since that WC. Why?
27 Jul 2010, 23:11 pm
Boks, despite the slight setback of the last 3 weeks, the most feared rugby side on the planet.
The world is in a state of equilibrium when the Boks win.
27 Jul 2010, 23:11 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-139: hullo Spooner. Welcome back. Again. Couldn’t resist could you. The same old, same old.
27 Jul 2010, 23:13 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-139:
Jakey had to build a team from scratch, PDV took over World Champions.
I’ll always be a Jake White fan!
27 Jul 2010, 23:15 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-141:
I have written extensively here how Jake should be involved in grassroots rugby.
There can be no denying that he has a passion for rugby.
Teacher background x passion for rugby = school boy rugby coach
That is where Jake had his happiest years, read his book.
27 Jul 2010, 23:16 pm
@JohnX(John_Psycho)-132: half the job is man management. Jake appears to operate like the schoolmaster he once was. Namely selecting personal favorites and stubbornly sticking to a philosophy which simply wasn’t working. If referring to “the fetcha da beer theory”.
27 Jul 2010, 23:17 pm
I dont like the yellow colour of the chairs there in the Cake Tin
Boring.
27 Jul 2010, 23:20 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-145: not arguing with you on that point lawman. Makes perfect sense. Book read, done and dusted. The book told me a lot about the man I didn’t admire. But I doff my hat to his many achievements, mostly under enormous pressure and against all odds. But my opinion remains until someone convinces me otherwise.
27 Jul 2010, 23:23 pm
@JohnX(John_Psycho)-144:
Adding value is about showing a MEASURABLE improvement
In the years leading to 2009 the Lions made the CC finals/semi finals
In JWC(coniving)W year of 2009 they did not make the knockouts
So lets talk fact based on hard measure
And lets not forget, despite endless self marketing not a single big job offer; he is busy coaching school coaches for goodness sake
Over to you
27 Jul 2010, 23:29 pm
@Heita(heita)-149: well I’m asking myself the same question. People don’t like arrogant. Jake exudes that nauseous condition and one has to believe it is one of the reasons why he is in fact only coaching at that level today. Who knows the truth but one is left to wonder why.
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