Wallabies 28 All Blacks 49
31 Jul 2010
Keo.co.za brought you live commentary on the Tri-Nations clash in Melbourne.
Full time: Wallabies 28 All Blacks 49
80 mins: All Blacks try! Was basic. The All Blacks just spread the ball end to end on each attack to stretch the Wallabies’ defence. As they broke into the Wallabies’ red zone, the ball was passed to the right, where the All Blacks had a major overlap. Replacement hooker Corey Flynn touches down in the corner. Carter misses the conversion, which could’ve made it the All Blacks’ highest score tally against the Wallabies. The final hooter blows to end the game. The All Blacks win 49-28!
70 mins: Wallabies try! From the lineout, the Wallabies build momentum with several ball carriers. Eventually, skipper Rocky Elsom breaks through and crosses the chalk. Giteau converts. 44-28 to the All Blacks!
68 mins: All Blacks determined to run the ball as they play from their red zone. However, Pocock wins the Wallabies a penalty as he catches out the All Blacks holding on to the ball on the ground. Wallabies kick for touch.
58 mins: All Blacks try! Didn’t take too long before the All Blacks hit back. The visitors won the ball at the kickoff (again) and set out on an attack. After a couple of set phases, play goes wide and Nonu’s pass threads Rokocoko through and the wing stretches out for another try. Carter misses the conversion, 44-21 to the All Blacks!
55 mins: Wallabies try! Finally! After spending eight minutes in the All Blacks’ red zone, Ashley-Cooper dives over after gatherong a loose pass from Giteau. Giteau converts. 39-21 to the All Blacks!
52 mins: Genia takes another quick penalty tap and Pocock drives over the line moments after. However, the TMO rules the ball is held up. 5m scrum to the Wallabies.
50 mins: All Blacks concede a penalty in their 22m area and scrumhalf Will Genia takes the quick penalty tap. After 15 phases, the Wallabies get another penlaty as the visitors are adjudged to be offside.
47 mins: All Blacks try! Wallabies have the put in to the scrum in their 22m area, but the All Blacks pack drive through and win possession. Read drives up and the ball is spread wide to an unmarked Muliaina, who grabs his brace. Carter slots the conversion. 39-14 to the All Blacks!
43 mins: Wallabies see red as Mitchell is sent off after receiving his second yellow card for obstructing a quick throw. Joubert gave the final warning in the first half and the Wallabies will have to play with 14 men for the rest of the game.
41 mins: Good kickoff from Carter, which allows No 8 Kieron Read to win the ball in the air. However, Read loses the ball forward and the Wallabies have the scrum. Lucky layoff early on for the hosts.
Half-time: Wallabies 14 All Blacks 32
40 mins: All Blacks have the lineout as the half-time hooter blows. However, Pocock makes another steal at the next breakdown. The Wallabies spread play wide and Mitchell puts in the kick ahead, but it’s too long and rolls out. Joubert blows to end the half.
35 mins: All Blacks try! And it’s the bonus-point five-pointer! From a 10m lineout, lock Brad Thorn drives up play. As the forwards gain metres, replacement scrumhalf Piri Weepu decides to go back to the blindside and the ball is passed wide to Jane, who touches down in the corner. Carter kicks over the difficult conversion. 32-14 to the All Blacks!
32 mins: All Blacks win the ball from the restart and the Wallabies are later penalised for a breakdown infringement. Carter converts. 25-14 to the Wallabies!
30 mins: The All Blacks are caught out as they attempt to run the ball from their 22m area. Inside centre Ma’a Nonu gets possession and slips, and is penalised for holding on at the tackle point. Giteau slots the penalty from right in front. 22-14 to the All Blacks!
28 mins: Mitchell is yellow-carded after a call from the assistant referee Cobus Wessels. The punishment is for no arms in the tackle, which was late too. Wallabies down to 14 men.
25 mins: All Blacks try! Clever tactics from the All Blacks. They target Ashley-Cooper with a chip and win a turnover from the breakdown. Skipper Richie McCaw picks up the ball and runs down the touchline and beats three defenders to score. Carter adds the extras. 22-11 to the All Blacks!
24 mins: BIG HIT! Wing Joe Rokocoko bumps off fullback Adam Ashley-Cooper in a big collision. Ashley-Cooper gets medical attention.
22 mins: All Blacks Owen Franks is sent to the sin bin for an offside and shoulder charge tackle. All Blacks down to 14 men.
20 mins: All Blacks win possession from the restart and use their forwards to drive into the Wallabies’ red zone. But Wallabies flanker David Pocock makes a crucial steal and the Wallabies are awarded a scrum.
17 mins: Giteau gets another opportunity at goal as the All Blacks are penalised moments after again. This time the pivot converts. 15-11 to the All Blacks!
15 mins: The first scrum of the game and All Blacks loosehead prop Tony Woodcock is penalised in a kickable position. But Giteau misses the straight forward kick.
13 mins: All Blacks try! All Blacks pass the ball through the hands and wing Cory Jane puts the chip ahead. Muliaina gets the perfect birthday gift as he gathers to dot down. Carter misses the conversion. 15-8 to the All Blacks!
10 mins: All Blacks try! Can you believe it!? Carter makes up for his earlier error as he charged down inside centre Berrick Barnes’ clearance after the restart and dives over for the All Blacks’ first five-pointer. Carter converts and the All Blacks are ahead. 10-8 to the All Blacks!
8 mins: Wallabies try! The home team regain the lead as wing Drew Mitchell charged down Carter’s clearance. The All Blacks pivot took too long with his kick and the Mitchell pounced to dive in at the corner. Giteau misses the conversion. 8-3 to the All Blacks!
6 mins: All Blacks get their first penalty moments after the kickoff as the Wallabies are penalised for competing at the breakdown off their feet. Pivot Dan Carter finds the target. Score level at 3-3!
2 mins: Great break from pivot Matt Giteau from his own 22m area as he set out on a 40m run. It’s 3 on 2 and Giteau offloads to wing James O’Connor who has centre Rob Horne on his outside. O’Connor decides not to pass and goes down to recycle. Poor passing slows momentum. However, the Wallabies still break into the All Blacks’ red zone with a penalty advantage for offside. Nothing comes from it the opportunity and referee Craig Joubert awards Wallabies the first penalty. Giteau converts. 3-0 to the Wallabies!
1 min: Wallabies kickoff and it’s a deep one. Easy for the All Blacks to secure possession and they run a couple a phases before fullback Mils Muliaina puts a long toe-poke through.
Wallabies – 15 Adam Ashley Cooper, 14 James O’Connor, 13 Rob Horne, 12 Berrick Barnes, 11 Drew Mitchell, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Will Genia, 8 Richard Brown, 7 David Pocock, 6 Rocky Elsom (c), 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Dean Mumm, 3 Salesi Ma’afu, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Benn Robinson
Subs: 16 Saia Faingaa, 17 James Slipper, 18 Rob Simmons, 19 Matt Hodgson, 20 Luke Burgess, 21 Anthony Faingaa, 22 Kurtley Beale.
All Blacks – 15 Mils Muliaina, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Joe Rokocoko, 10 Daniel Carter, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (c), 6 Jerome Kaino, 5 Tom Donnelly, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Keven Mealamu, 1 Tony Woodcock
Subs: 16 Corey Flynn, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Sam Whitelock, 19 Victor Vito, 20 Piri Weepu, 21 Aaron Cruden, 22 Israel Dagg.
By Gareth Duncan
675 Comments
31 Jul 2010, 10:41 am
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c’mon B L A C K !!!!!!!
lets get 1 hand back on the Cup, fellas.
31 Jul 2010, 10:43 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-1: Cannot see the Wallabies moering you guys. Superbru pick, AB by 11. Should’ve made it 20
31 Jul 2010, 10:47 am
ABs by 25
31 Jul 2010, 10:50 am
Let’s hope the ref plays a lesser part in this one………….
31 Jul 2010, 10:52 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-4: No let us hope he does play a major role.This will help to open up their “we cannot be touched” organisation
31 Jul 2010, 10:52 am
wobblies by 6
31 Jul 2010, 10:55 am
@JL1(JL1)-5: Also true. Just not prepared to listen to moans and groans about the ref again for the next week.
31 Jul 2010, 10:55 am
if ref has got a mature eye on mccheat the wobblies will win this
31 Jul 2010, 10:56 am
Kia Kaha black..
IF they are to win, I think it will be through the midfield channels, wont be surprised to see the drive employed 2 passes off the ruck..
31 Jul 2010, 10:56 am
No Weepu or Cooper is a pity as they occupy crucial roles.
I think the Wallaroos will miss Quade more . Giteau is best at 12.
The All Blacks have more to offer across the Park. A lesson is definitely on the cards for one team tonight. Australia’s relative inexperience will tell in the game.
The Wallabies are still short on pure firepower offensively and their tight five is good but not dominant.
The speed of the game will be alarming at times. It is an attraction .l the ABs vs Aus is the fastest game in the world. What slows continuity is error rate.Both Teams are very accurate and so both XVs can play for long periods at a serious clip.This is as good as it gets if you enjoy width in rugby..
31 Jul 2010, 10:58 am
Have’nt followed all the news this week. Anything new on the pitch?
31 Jul 2010, 11:04 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-11:
The ABs are happy, but feel the scrums might be a bit dicey if the surface breaks up.
31 Jul 2010, 11:08 am
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-8: you might have hit onto something there… what money Joubert making an example of Ritchie, after reading all the “cheat” press this week…
31 Jul 2010, 11:09 am
@David(David)-12: Could be interesting. Heard Henry groan about it but 10/10 for Deans’s response saying that it’s the same for both teams and ltes carry on. Still do not understand why the AB opted for Henry ahead of Deans.
31 Jul 2010, 11:11 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-14: probably because after every other WC loss, we have changed coach… I too think 8 years in charge of a team is way to long in rugby circles..
31 Jul 2010, 11:11 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-4:
That shouldnt be a problem here. The ref only seems to “play a part” when a Sth African team is involved.
31 Jul 2010, 11:12 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-14:
I don’t either, although apart from the WC Q final disaster, his record was amazing.
31 Jul 2010, 11:14 am
I predicted ABs by 11, not so sure anymore. It can be much closer.
31 Jul 2010, 11:15 am
Wobblies by 6
31 Jul 2010, 11:15 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-16: Remains to be seen. @David(David)-17: I Reckon Deans is probably the best around given his track record with the Saders. Wonder if he’ll give it a shot with the AB if Henry do decide to call it a day.
31 Jul 2010, 11:16 am
Agree with Keo, AB’s to wrap up the 3N today.
31 Jul 2010, 11:17 am
McCaw might be getting the heat from the Saffas, but in truth, it was the whole interpretation of the NH refs of the breakdown that allowed both Wobblies and ABs to get away with infingeing. Our problem was that we didn’t adjust as well, once we saw what was being allowed.
31 Jul 2010, 11:17 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-21: Aussie have actually led a few of the games recently going into half time, we have run over the top of them in the second half.. so I for one am not discounting them at all..
31 Jul 2010, 11:17 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-13:
Im sure there will be a load roar if the King gets ping’ed. It will only be that, tho, our Kissing Cousins cocking an ironic snook to our Absent Friends across the Indian Ocean, a sign of our everlasting ANZAC brotherhood much like the secret handshake at the Masons.
31 Jul 2010, 11:17 am
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-8: Judging by your comments since you’ve joined this site you wouldnt know what a mature is, so the sooner someone replaces the rock you were under the happier we will all be.
Wallabies in for a snotting
31 Jul 2010, 11:18 am
Gents enjoy the Ruggas. Off to top up the Castles and take some Gemsbok billies out the freezer. Chat later.
31 Jul 2010, 11:19 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-24: not only the king, but if we lose.. I know in which direction it will all be targeted too… you and I the chief recipients, but thats cool…
water of a clowns back..
31 Jul 2010, 11:21 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-23:
Oh no it is not going to be a walk in the park by any means.
Both teams are highly skillful but the Aussies lost quite a bit in this department loosing Cooper which is one reason why I think they might not make it today.
AB’s have also improved their set pieces from last year so I dont see any team dominating the other one here other than the odd line-out steal.
I think the AB’s will out-muscle the Aussies though, specifically at the break-down point.
What is going to be interesting to me is the fact that both these teams adopted a no-kick return policy against the Boks and almost never played the territorial game through kicking – I wonder if one of them will change this approach slightly now playing each other…???
And in that battle, there is only one winner, the man DC cause Gitt’s can’t kick tactically for ****.
31 Jul 2010, 11:24 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-27:
There is only one thing that the Bledisloe Cup NEEDS
A Wallaby win.
I hope they dont. Please God, no ! But it will be great for the rivalry.
I think it will be close <10
kia kaha !
31 Jul 2010, 11:26 am
Go Wobblies. Show the revenge-obsessed how to play the game with sportsmanship.
31 Jul 2010, 11:29 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-30:
The Auusies, Sportsmanship?
31 Jul 2010, 11:30 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-28: agree with you on Gits tactical kicking, can be shocking if pressured… I think Barnes though is more then capable of that role too though…
Tight five will be the difference I feel, and think the ABs will have the ascendancy in the scrum and this will lay the platform IMO for them to get home against the Wallabies..
31 Jul 2010, 11:31 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-30: yep, sportsmanship is disappearing for 3 weeks after your team loses aye?
31 Jul 2010, 11:31 am
@David(David)-31: Relatively speaking…
31 Jul 2010, 11:31 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-33: Only for 2 of the 3 losses…
31 Jul 2010, 11:37 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-35: Were there elements of no sportsmanship…
31 Jul 2010, 11:46 am
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Given that Craig Joubert is involved, another of the dreaded hometown variety, look out for 1 of many personality deficiency trait-decisions like:-
– being overruled by linesmen despite seeing incident clearly himself
– blowing a penalty because a dumb@rse rugby player has asked rather encouragingly whilst raising his arms in the air frantically
– will penalise the high profile players early, just to ‘get his message through’.
– a bizarre interpretation of a technical rule that somehow gives the wrong team possession/advantage, probably leading to a game-turning score.
– allow play to be called back for a forward pass because the crowd did an especially big “whooooooooooooooooooooooAAAAAH !”
……all this whilst keeping his Mr Serious face on.
31 Jul 2010, 11:46 am
I really do not care about this match … the only thing I care about is my Lions eating some Bull this afternoon.
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31 Jul 2010, 11:49 am
WTF … who changed the font? My Lion looks malnourished
Keo fix it man.
31 Jul 2010, 11:55 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-16: well, that’s not what Poppa told us last year, he seemed to think the ref downright cheated the all blacks
oh well.
31 Jul 2010, 11:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-40: still going on about that Trans? sheesh, good to see youve hit up kevinrack or Cab for example who havent exactly done anything different aye?
31 Jul 2010, 11:57 am
@RedLion is born again(RL)-38: Your lion looks stunned and scared actually.
31 Jul 2010, 11:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-40:
Give it a break man,your down right annoying
31 Jul 2010, 11:59 am
The fooking game just appeared on my tv screen here in Afghanistan. Well done to the technician. Lets see how these guys play.
31 Jul 2010, 12:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-40: come, watch the two teams in the 3 team comp that have actually got points on the log..
31 Jul 2010, 12:02 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-41: hi poppa, didn’t see you there
do you think the ref will be a factor?
31 Jul 2010, 12:02 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-44:
Private security contract?
31 Jul 2010, 12:04 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-46: well he is SA, so probably aye
31 Jul 2010, 12:05 pm
@David(David)-47: no baby killer actually … typical behaviour of a Shark.
31 Jul 2010, 12:05 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-43: hello to you too hurri
mate i was just setting black panther straight, did you see his comment #16? 
31 Jul 2010, 12:07 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-49:
They’re all mercenaries, it comes naturally.
31 Jul 2010, 12:07 pm
Some Kiwi tokoloshes already complaining about the ref…
Duplicitous twats
31 Jul 2010, 12:08 pm
Remember when rugby jerseys had collars. Look like soccer shirts now.
31 Jul 2010, 12:08 pm
ka mate…
31 Jul 2010, 12:09 pm
Seeing these white guys pretending to be Maori warriors is always amusing.
31 Jul 2010, 12:09 pm
Carter just doesn’t pull off the scarey look very well.
31 Jul 2010, 12:09 pm
Now the ballet is over time for the game.
Joubert will show them how to play properly
31 Jul 2010, 12:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-54: so, what SAs have you taken to task about ref complaining, theres been plenty the last few weeks..
hope you set them all straight too…
31 Jul 2010, 12:10 pm
It’s a bit like watching Johnny Clegg doing his Zulu dance.
31 Jul 2010, 12:11 pm
mils is dangerous!!!!! Damn
31 Jul 2010, 12:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-57: Rugby must be painful for you to watch.
31 Jul 2010, 12:13 pm
high tackle on pocock
31 Jul 2010, 12:13 pm
go wobblies
31 Jul 2010, 12:14 pm
So much for Cardinelli saying that Giteau doesn’t take on the defence.
O’Conner screwed that up.
31 Jul 2010, 12:15 pm
That run will give Geits some confidence we may actually have a game on here… Nice run by Mills!
31 Jul 2010, 12:15 pm
That run will give Geits some confidence we may actually have a game on here… Nice run by Mills!
31 Jul 2010, 12:16 pm
if that was an oirish ref – no penalty
31 Jul 2010, 12:17 pm
3 all fast game
31 Jul 2010, 12:18 pm
great try mitchell
31 Jul 2010, 12:18 pm
What a try off the kick! Drew Mitchell!!
31 Jul 2010, 12:18 pm
good try Mitchell…
31 Jul 2010, 12:18 pm
Oh dear, Dan.
31 Jul 2010, 12:19 pm
put put put choke choke choke
31 Jul 2010, 12:19 pm
first blood aussies!
31 Jul 2010, 12:19 pm
Bliksem!!
31 Jul 2010, 12:19 pm
Carter so dozy
31 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm
It is certainly going to be a very close game after McCaw gifted that try.
31 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm
hahahahahahaha – no paddys-in-a-pocket here…
31 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm
Ouch, apologies, that was Carter.
31 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm
What the Fark!!!!!
31 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm
Barnes so dozy
31 Jul 2010, 12:20 pm
carter was offside
31 Jul 2010, 12:21 pm
Carter returns the compliment.
31 Jul 2010, 12:21 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-73: you were saying??
bwahahaha
31 Jul 2010, 12:21 pm
What a comeback from the underpants rep.
31 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm
Star Wars Episode 5: The Carter Strikes Back.
31 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm
to think a class player like mitchell was dropped by deans, in sa the senior players get picked even when they’re kak
31 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-82: No chance buddy
31 Jul 2010, 12:22 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-76:
Aussie commentators are saying do not kick … I like alot because antipodes to not know how to kick and will not develop their kicking game … next year in the RWC defense and kicking will again beat running rugga.
31 Jul 2010, 12:23 pm
another try abs mean boys mean
31 Jul 2010, 12:23 pm
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!
31 Jul 2010, 12:23 pm
great try, intelligent chip from Jane
31 Jul 2010, 12:24 pm
Brilliant counter by ABs.
31 Jul 2010, 12:25 pm
All those Saffas saying MAtfield is too old – Muliaina is 30 and a backline player – prats
31 Jul 2010, 12:25 pm
All Blacks are going to rip them apart, it seems now. Good stuff.
31 Jul 2010, 12:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-87:
I was thinking the same thing.
31 Jul 2010, 12:25 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-89: Aussie commentators secretly want to watch Rugby League
31 Jul 2010, 12:26 pm
@Nils(Nils)-95: dont get too far ahead of yourself Nils… still a lot of rugby in this game..
31 Jul 2010, 12:27 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-87: @David(David)-96:
Comment 94 applies to both of you. Treacherous yellow bellies
31 Jul 2010, 12:27 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-98: Sure thing. Just my emotions
I will be calm as cold beer only when ABs are by 15+ ahead with 10 mins to play.
31 Jul 2010, 12:28 pm
Giteau determined to keep NZ in the lead
31 Jul 2010, 12:28 pm
cheating ABs tokoloshes at it again. no turn the other way from a leprechaun ref here
31 Jul 2010, 12:29 pm
@Nils(Nils)-100: Make that 11 or it’ll fark up my Superbru
31 Jul 2010, 12:29 pm
Joubert seems to be reffing the S14 interpretations
31 Jul 2010, 12:29 pm
Hey, the roof is closed, what’s wrong with Giteau? Almost like that sitter vs England.
31 Jul 2010, 12:29 pm
Aussie commentators – “super refereeing”
31 Jul 2010, 12:30 pm
@Nils(Nils)-105: don’t forget the one against Scotland
Giteau just not a great goal-kicker.
31 Jul 2010, 12:31 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-103: Well, that’s my predicted margin, too. 15+ just for the better looking IRB ranking nothing more plus extra safety zone with 2+ tries.
31 Jul 2010, 12:31 pm
great turnover wobblies
31 Jul 2010, 12:31 pm
great counter ruck by the wobblies
31 Jul 2010, 12:33 pm
Out with the handbags!!!!!
31 Jul 2010, 12:33 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-107: If I recall correctly, that was from almost the touchline, so fairly difficult if you are not kicking machine like certain gentleman from high veldt.
Unlike that English game where Matt just had a shocker with a capital S.
31 Jul 2010, 12:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-99: senility is ravaging you dude… Who said Matfield is too old?!
31 Jul 2010, 12:33 pm
shuolder charge – send the kiwi off
31 Jul 2010, 12:33 pm
lol Joubert, yellow it is. Justice 4 NZ
31 Jul 2010, 12:34 pm
You’ve gotta laugh
31 Jul 2010, 12:34 pm
bwahahahahaha – no paddies-in-a-pocket kiwis. remember, try not to complain about the ref…
I suspect the bitter bile is rising
31 Jul 2010, 12:34 pm
Now the real test begins for the ABs.
31 Jul 2010, 12:35 pm
“Slightly mistimed hit” WTF??
31 Jul 2010, 12:36 pm
@Nils(Nils)-112: he was 1 from 4 in that game Nils, missed a drop or two too. You’re right though, it was to the left.
31 Jul 2010, 12:36 pm
Attack of the Clowns
31 Jul 2010, 12:36 pm
The Clown Wars
31 Jul 2010, 12:36 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: and the talk about revenge…
31 Jul 2010, 12:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: who needs to complain when you score with 14 men?
31 Jul 2010, 12:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: I could have sworn Australia beat SA with yet another Paddy in charge.
31 Jul 2010, 12:37 pm
try Suarez, Wallabies concentration is terrible. NZ almost have the bonus point.
31 Jul 2010, 12:38 pm
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Just give it to the KING !
31 Jul 2010, 12:38 pm
what the hell, okay poppa ill take my choke to bed with me lol. the bloody all blacks calving up!
31 Jul 2010, 12:38 pm
Owen Franks is a thug … he’ll hit his own daughter
31 Jul 2010, 12:39 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-124: Will see when the game is close or Kiwis are behind in the 2nd half-different story then – I know you little tokloshes…
31 Jul 2010, 12:40 pm
@Nils(Nils)-125: Aussies played with more sportsmanship – says something, eh?
31 Jul 2010, 12:40 pm
Trinations over, thanks for playing.
31 Jul 2010, 12:41 pm
C L O W N !
31 Jul 2010, 12:41 pm
both these teams hardly kick to get out of their 22…
31 Jul 2010, 12:41 pm
lying all over the ball, kiwi. can’t do that with s14 interpretations
31 Jul 2010, 12:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-130: I’ll still be here at the end of the game, when do you go for your sojourn to France?
31 Jul 2010, 12:42 pm
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Transformation
are you enjoying ticking off the Clown List ?
31 Jul 2010, 12:42 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: What revenge? It’s going to be yet another 5 points for the 3N, so thanks for the trophy very much.
It must be rather hard time for you – 4 weeks in a row being bitter and disappointed.
31 Jul 2010, 12:42 pm
That is how a Captain should play and be an asset for any team! Maybe if Piet Snor and the peanut coach crew did their jobs the senior boks would be able to sleep more and focus on their game more instead of trying to be coaches as well!!
Please, someone record this game and sen it to Snor with a red ribbon and a pair of “spectacles”
31 Jul 2010, 12:43 pm
Genia kicking, skop won’t be happy
31 Jul 2010, 12:43 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-137: the what?
31 Jul 2010, 12:43 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-136: already been, thanks.
@Nils(Nils)-138: so the game is over, done and dusted… hmmm
31 Jul 2010, 12:44 pm
NZ not being allowed to cheat at the breakdown.
31 Jul 2010, 12:44 pm
“cheers Rocky, let’s chat later in the bar”
31 Jul 2010, 12:44 pm
give those cheats another yellow
31 Jul 2010, 12:44 pm
NZ looks k@K 2day … if we had jake white we’d kille you ..you NZ guys must be pomping “EE/AA/quotas/etc” in Saru’s ears … only way you’ll beat us ,… just look @ the Super 14 were we beat you by 15+
31 Jul 2010, 12:45 pm
genia not good enough to drink FdP’s piss
31 Jul 2010, 12:45 pm
tri nations over again! all blacks do it again the bunch of w8nkers
31 Jul 2010, 12:45 pm
Joubert is showing just how blind the oirish refs were.
31 Jul 2010, 12:46 pm
Penalty-fest.
Let the game flow
31 Jul 2010, 12:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-142: No it is not. There are still some 50 mins to play until ABs oficially register their 5 pointer. Which they will do.
31 Jul 2010, 12:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-149: and joubert is a shyteref
31 Jul 2010, 12:47 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-150: the game will flow when both sides stop cheating at the breakdown
31 Jul 2010, 12:47 pm
na take that back the abs are are a fu*ken great team i will eat my humble juicy pie.
31 Jul 2010, 12:48 pm
Both these teams showing how to actually play rugby. Showing up the Boks and to be fair, showing up the previous refs.
31 Jul 2010, 12:48 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-146: hows them lemons…
31 Jul 2010, 12:49 pm
bonus point try before half time, Wallaby defence leaves a lot to be desired
31 Jul 2010, 12:49 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-153: Cheating? More like playing the game to the limits ey?
Something the sorry-assed-clown-coached Boks can’t do.
31 Jul 2010, 12:50 pm
Janes try was the first deserved try for the hobbitts the whole game
31 Jul 2010, 12:50 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-143:
What was that you said about Mealamu not being effective in the tight loose?
31 Jul 2010, 12:50 pm
Jane scores another bonus try. Mission accomplished.
31 Jul 2010, 12:51 pm
players are slippin all over…
31 Jul 2010, 12:52 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-158: normally I would say yes, but the S14 prepared the players for a different approach at the breakdown (the approach Joubert is taking tonight), so as **** as the Boks were I do have a little sympathy with their complaints on that front
31 Jul 2010, 12:52 pm
Australia looking average, NZ good but not SUPER GOOD, shows how absolutely RUBBISH the ‘Boks’ are.
31 Jul 2010, 12:52 pm
Wow this is an exciting ab side. Unfortunately for them you can’t play like this at a world cup though…
31 Jul 2010, 12:53 pm
@David(David)-160: he’s in great form it has to be said
31 Jul 2010, 12:53 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-163: As a SAFFA I would like to blame everything I can, but the ref didn’t have much to do with the outcomes.
Boks wouldn’t win with Snor as the ref.
31 Jul 2010, 12:53 pm
who else is smiling at how well the AB are playing right?????!!!!
31 Jul 2010, 12:54 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-167: true, they weren’t going to win regardless.
31 Jul 2010, 12:54 pm
@MacToogie(MacToogie)-168: right now i mean
31 Jul 2010, 12:54 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-167: rubbish
31 Jul 2010, 12:55 pm
brunch time
31 Jul 2010, 12:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171: You right, the ‘Boks’ are rubbish.
31 Jul 2010, 12:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-159: I have strange feeling that if Boks would have scored all those Carter, McCaw, Muliaina tries, you’d be jumping with joy all day. But as they all have black jerseys it’s all bitterness, geez, better have a cold beer and enjoy the game for a change.
31 Jul 2010, 12:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-172: co-sign
31 Jul 2010, 12:56 pm
Richie McCaw is the Hansie Cronje of rugby
31 Jul 2010, 12:56 pm
Transformation. Sorry you were spot on re schalk not playing first lions test. Was confused, schalks suspension won us the tri nations as he kept being the first choice 6 whenever he was fit at the expense of brussow
31 Jul 2010, 12:56 pm
This is how rugby is supposed to be played not that dumb f.ck garbage that John Smit and his dumb f.ck mentor has straight jacketed our dumb f.ck kick and chase **** strengths strategy to.
Wallaby’s made some mistakes but this game is 200% more representative and a proper advertisement for committed rugby than the crapp we been playing since we ditched our running game and reverted back into our dumb f.ck JW kick n chase traditional trash.
This ref is busy stuffing this game up the creek just like his other Irb stooges
31 Jul 2010, 12:57 pm
The man they call Jane.
31 Jul 2010, 12:57 pm
With all the complaints about the Bok coaching and the refs, the real difference is that, in the main, the ABs currently have better and more skillful players than us.
31 Jul 2010, 12:59 pm
Genia looks like a quota from SWD getting some game time @ international level … weak link
31 Jul 2010, 12:59 pm
ABs will flay the Boks in Soccer City. They’re a hundred miles further down the highway than Snor’s leaky green-and-gold jalopy.
31 Jul 2010, 13:00 pm
the ABS are nothing but a bunch of cheaters lol jst jokes. they are a brilliant team but hey all good things come to an end eg. engalnd team after 2003
31 Jul 2010, 13:00 pm
Aussies have been terrible. What the **** did Drew Mitchell do?? He never even made a tackle.
Funny how we whinge about the AB’s for 2 weeks and then our own ref lets them get away with the same stuff.
Blacks will win this by at least 30. they look very composed and very skillful
31 Jul 2010, 13:00 pm
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-177: no sweat bud…
31 Jul 2010, 13:01 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-182: hahhaa i cant control myself
31 Jul 2010, 13:01 pm
McCaw’s a captain’s captain. Right at the heartbeat of everything that’s happening and calm, cool and in control. Rocky’s melting away under the McCaw blowtorch.
31 Jul 2010, 13:01 pm
@David(David)-180: missed the Super 14 did you?
31 Jul 2010, 13:02 pm
Good to see Joubert being consistant with his calls .
David Pocock is playing out of his skin unfortunately the rest arent quite up to it.
31 Jul 2010, 13:02 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-178: You are confused, you say you support PdV and then slate him and his team. Two-faced yellow belly…
31 Jul 2010, 13:03 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-187: McCaw is playing fantastic.
Although if i was Rocky I’d be pretty pissed off. You should see some of the **** the Blacks are doing off the ball down here – very cynical stuff going unnoticed
31 Jul 2010, 13:03 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-187: dude now your talkin kak
31 Jul 2010, 13:03 pm
tackler, i know you ms’s .. good ppl.. you should join www dot kiwiklub dot com
31 Jul 2010, 13:03 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-188:
I’m talking about the ABs, not the S14 franchises.
31 Jul 2010, 13:03 pm
@David(David)-180: there’s certainly a world of difference in their backplay, but then if you compare Cowan/Carter/Nonu/Smith with Januarie/Steyn/Olivier/Fourie you begin to see why.
31 Jul 2010, 13:03 pm
Enjoying the game so far. Great skills on show. Defense of Wallabies poor. Craig doing a great job at keeping the game up tempo and fair to both sides.
31 Jul 2010, 13:04 pm
@David(David)-180: You are forgetful aren’t you.
Just another Stormersader, stormercane apologist ben dover…
31 Jul 2010, 13:04 pm
ignore skopskiet …his papsak & TIK “praaitjies” are always different
31 Jul 2010, 13:04 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-183: … or SA after 2009?
Hey, nothing lasts forever, right. So let’s enjoy the moments while they last like Boks fans did last year, Poms did almost decade ago and we do now. Especially after 0-3 last year.
31 Jul 2010, 13:05 pm
deans wishes he’d looked @ that snap of father ted’s plays hahaha
31 Jul 2010, 13:05 pm
guys calm down will ya, its all right its not world cup time. come world cup time the all blacks will be out qf time, going back into their hobbit enclaves in the black hills. hahahaha
31 Jul 2010, 13:05 pm
@Nils(Nils)-199: it’s only 7 years son
31 Jul 2010, 13:05 pm
Another false dawn for the Wallabies??????
31 Jul 2010, 13:06 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-167:
lol
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-186:
You can piss off,you tosspot.
And heavens game,your a joke.
31 Jul 2010, 13:06 pm
@jeest(jeest)-203: Wobblies lack brawn
31 Jul 2010, 13:06 pm
The ABs are well-coached. Their game has a plan and a structure and each player knows what to do in any situation because they’ve drilled and drilled and rehearsed it all a hundred times.
The Bok “game-plan”? Boot away possession and wait and see what happens. And have the wingers loitering close to the gain-line in the faint chance of nabbing an interception…
It’s like Oxford University versus the University of Venda.
31 Jul 2010, 13:07 pm
Over 60% of respondents to the Keo survey said that Oz would win by over 15 points. It’s going to have to be an extraordinary second half.
31 Jul 2010, 13:07 pm
Pocock is playing like a machine
31 Jul 2010, 13:07 pm
@David(David)-194:
sigh
31 Jul 2010, 13:09 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-202: Right. That’s exactly why I added “almost”.
31 Jul 2010, 13:09 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-206: to be honest tackles, the Wallabies should consider kicking more.
They’re running everything, not getting over the adv line and it’s killing them.
31 Jul 2010, 13:10 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-204: The only joke is that the tokoloshes (butt-ugly hobbits) can always count on support from capetown apologists
31 Jul 2010, 13:10 pm
WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lovely stuff
31 Jul 2010, 13:10 pm
Now game is over.
Oficially.
31 Jul 2010, 13:11 pm
Celebrating Heaven’s Game Competition!
It’s all about guessing the ” ol’ codger’s ” age.
I say with all the evidence of second childhood manifested here by HG(and some others on both sides of the divide) that it has to be no less than 86 years old for him.
Give it a break you offenders and enjoy the wonderful spectacle of rugby union.
31 Jul 2010, 13:12 pm
@Nils(Nils)-214: it was over before it started, look at the recent record between the two sides. No way I’m watching this 4 times this year, it’s been the same game for the past two seasons.
31 Jul 2010, 13:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-212:
You’re one sour person.
Time to move on with your hatred towards NZ. Its looking like a jealous little kid everytime you post your rubbish.
31 Jul 2010, 13:13 pm
Kafer says the red was spot on, got to agree but the ABs are going to make Oz look like Japan now.
31 Jul 2010, 13:13 pm
I wonder if Robbie Deans’ CV is up to date?
31 Jul 2010, 13:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-212: the only joke is someone whose hatred is so evident he has to blog about it when his team isnt playing, but when they are he decides NOT to turn up..
31 Jul 2010, 13:15 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-216: Recent record also suggested 50:50 on Aussie soil so they definitely had a chance and they constantly have been potential banana skins. So until ABs run rampant I ws pretty cautious.
31 Jul 2010, 13:15 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-204: hey no need to loose your temper, its a forum you low life
31 Jul 2010, 13:15 pm
Come RWC2011 — on NZ soil — the already-slowing, ageing multi-cappers like Smit, Matfield, Burger, Habana et al will be one year older, feebler and slower than they already are today.
And the fit young bucks in the AB team will be a year more experienced, street-wise, fitter and faster.
Snor took over the experienced Jake White side and stupidly imagined that with 4 more years on their clocks, they’d be even better!
Well, the Boks peaked in 2009 and are now already far down the downslide as their 0-3 12 try hiding Down Under demonstrated. In a year from now they’ll be even deeper down in the valley of despond. They’ll be lucky to get past pool play.
31 Jul 2010, 13:15 pm
@ET(ET)-215: Elliot go and watch a game more suited to a crossdressing academic – soccer…
31 Jul 2010, 13:16 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-204: Classy, as usual, you do your country proud
31 Jul 2010, 13:16 pm
Drew mitchell is really unlucky but i wonder if they’ll be questions about the wallabies discipline just the same way the springboks were questioned
again how many minutes of rugby have the all blacks played against a full 15 this year (not enough if you’re preparing for a world cup!)
31 Jul 2010, 13:16 pm
Anyone think the laws on two yellows equalling a red should be repealed where the two offences aren’t for foul play? 10 minutes without a player is punishment enough imo.
31 Jul 2010, 13:17 pm
The Abs can only get stronger. Fatboy’s 100th test could see him on the end of a beating in Soweto.
31 Jul 2010, 13:17 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-220: Always turn up… Here I am, little jubilant tokoloshe
31 Jul 2010, 13:17 pm
Jake White and John Smit are the cancerous clowns that have f.ck’d up our rugby to Timbuktu. They thought that playing to the dumb f.ck play without the ball kick n chase strengths of 2007 was going to take us forward.
Problem with delinquent saffa dumb f.ck brains is they simply don’t know how to evolve when its called on them to, they prefer to cower back inside their demented archaic dumb @ss philosophy’s.
John Smit with his bum chum mentor Wc winning coach have systematically destroyed any possible advance in Sa rugby mentality they still stuck in 2007 if they don’t ditch the cancer right now we sunk.
31 Jul 2010, 13:17 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-222:
You are the one talking about RWCs next year etc. Who cares,i live for the now,loser
@JL1(JL1)-225:
Thanks i will show you how one day.
31 Jul 2010, 13:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-229:
You were missind for 2 weeks not so long ago,strange that seen as you were on everyday before the frist test at Eden park. Dont worry,even some of your country men noticed.
31 Jul 2010, 13:19 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-227: I disagree. 2 yellows mean serial offending and that must be punished more severily. Probably refs should award each and every yellow carefully on merit, not for petty crimes (unless they are not frequent).
31 Jul 2010, 13:20 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-227: Perhaps you have a point. BUT laws are laws. Can’t change them to suit the circumstances.
Joubert didn’t change the laws at half time.
Personally I think there are too many laws that have made the game soft.
Bring back rucking, ease off the ‘shoulder’ charge and also the ‘spear’ tackle.
There is a massive difference between a tip and driving a bloke into the ground.
Rugby for softies.
31 Jul 2010, 13:21 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-231: hey hey hey you know it in your heart that you will be hurting the most when they drop next year loser
31 Jul 2010, 13:21 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-230:
Hey bakkiebouer,lots of work in the Cape.
You must be hectically busy.
Got 2 big projects coming up down there.
31 Jul 2010, 13:21 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-230: Just another stormersader f.kwit kiwi “revenge” apologist… careful, you are becoming as duplicitous as those hobbit **** floriensii you so love
31 Jul 2010, 13:21 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-230: Bleh, your stupid coach invited SMit back didn’t he.
Just as dumb as the rest.
JW = Word Cup Champ
Snor: WC chump
And cut the sweating fella, kids also log on here.
31 Jul 2010, 13:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-237: h.omo floriensii
31 Jul 2010, 13:22 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-227:
2 yellows to one player = a red card. Been like that for a while now BH.
31 Jul 2010, 13:22 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-238: sweating – swearing
31 Jul 2010, 13:23 pm
Genia looking a bit flat today.
31 Jul 2010, 13:23 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-232: the only eden park I was close to was one in perpignan. i am back to point out you and your cuntrymens’ obvious “revenge” laden hypocrisy…
31 Jul 2010, 13:24 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-240: I know hurricane, I’m not complaining as it was the right decsision but it seems harsh to get red for non-foul play.
31 Jul 2010, 13:24 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-235:
No worries.
But at ther moment NZ looking good. I dont know what country you back but i am sure we have beaten you this year. See ya
31 Jul 2010, 13:24 pm
Well deserved try, after the TMO balls up.
31 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-243: bwahaha you were hiding with all the other surrender m o n k e ys..
we know your type, all talk and hot air before the game, then disappear for 2 weeks..
loser…
31 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-242: Genia is the “hero” that kickshot thinks is a lightyear better than FdP… farking joke
31 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
@David(David)-246: who is the TMO?
31 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
Why did the Wallabies have to lose a man before they woke up?
31 Jul 2010, 13:25 pm
Nice passage of play by the Aussies, pride on the line, well deserved try.
31 Jul 2010, 13:26 pm
skopy did the cat get your tongue?
answer me
31 Jul 2010, 13:26 pm
all blacks looking the second best against 14 men what does that tell ya. please dont lose your temper hurricane
31 Jul 2010, 13:27 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-223: Tackler which ones are young
McCcheat will be almost 32
Woodcock will be 31
Brad Thorn all be 36
Mealamu will 32
Dan Carter 29 half way to 30
31 Jul 2010, 13:27 pm
Joubert is doing what he can to make a farce of the game.
31 Jul 2010, 13:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-248: It’s totally clear how GOOD FDP REALLY IS.
Light years ahead of the rest.
A pure genius.
31 Jul 2010, 13:27 pm
beach volleyball consultants
31 Jul 2010, 13:28 pm
brilliant delayed pass from Nonu, on a plate for the wing
31 Jul 2010, 13:28 pm
@Auntie Mavis(Auntie Mavis)-255: Are you watching the live game?
Joubert not bad at all.
31 Jul 2010, 13:28 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-249:
I don’t know, although all the officials seem to be Saffas.
31 Jul 2010, 13:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-243:
You seem to have it all wrong.
Which one of us is calling people cheats here. Which one of us is calling people Hobbits. Honestly you are a loner on,no one else seems to this angry towards a country. But looking at it you have a friend,Wayne Barnes #1.
31 Jul 2010, 13:29 pm
congrats all blacks brilliant play
31 Jul 2010, 13:29 pm
8 tries inside 60 mins
31 Jul 2010, 13:29 pm
@David(David)-260: The TMO is Australian.
31 Jul 2010, 13:29 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-247: the only s.urrender m.on.keys I have experienced near a rugby field are those whining hobbits who get outsmashed on the greenfields (the complaining quotient increases the more they taste the dirt, and the more dirty they then play), or when watching AB performances in WC’s since ’87 – the epitome of s.urrender m.on key
31 Jul 2010, 13:30 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-253: every time you post we seem to score… instant karma was indeed a great song dont you think?
31 Jul 2010, 13:30 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-261: “loner” – keep it going – I know you little islanders too well…
31 Jul 2010, 13:31 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-253:
ABs looking the Second best??
lol. There we go 44-21 to the ABs ,yep i am dissapointed with this,where should be doing better.
31 Jul 2010, 13:31 pm
here’s a tip tackle coming!
31 Jul 2010, 13:31 pm
@JL1(JL1)-254:
Howzit
Maybe bakkiebouer skopy should spend less time talking kak here and spend his time looking for some building work.
He isnt very busy because he hasnt answered me and by reading his posts he is not working but hitting the bottle instead.
31 Jul 2010, 13:32 pm
Commentators are funny. Not understanding that a tip tackle is a yellow/sinbin/suspension. Just the way it is.
Just because it’s soft is NOT THE POINT THEY ARE THE RULES.
Aussies sound like whining SAFFAS lol
31 Jul 2010, 13:32 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-266:
Howzit poppa
31 Jul 2010, 13:32 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-256: That is correct and it really shows up kickshot and his cr.ap…
31 Jul 2010, 13:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-267:
You dont know nothing about me clown,hang on are you PDV?
31 Jul 2010, 13:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-265: bwahahaha pathetic..
you are a joke..
31 Jul 2010, 13:32 pm
i su@Hurricane(Hurricane)-268: dont get cocky you know the french dont ya?
31 Jul 2010, 13:33 pm
@Fern(Fern)-272: kia ora fern..
31 Jul 2010, 13:34 pm
Dont you guys think the advantage rule needs to be looked at?
Each ref have there own point of view. It would be nice to get a consistent ruling to it.
31 Jul 2010, 13:35 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-278: hard to regulate adv. it depends on a lot of variables.
31 Jul 2010, 13:35 pm
Abs looking good like they do every year that doesn’t have a RWC in it.
There is no way that the Boks will turn it around for the RWC with current players and management…
So it’s up to Australia, England and France to better the Abs in 2011.
31 Jul 2010, 13:36 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-274: I know that are likely to be a “revenge” obsessed little islander – a south sea tokoloshe, if you like…, with a slight tinge of duplicity quite commonly found in the antipodes…
31 Jul 2010, 13:36 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-276: ABs cannot meet them in the playoffs until the final. SA can. So you’d better be worried.
31 Jul 2010, 13:36 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-276:
Yep i know the french.
But i am at least not writing any team off in the RWC next year.
By all means write NZ off,all is good.
31 Jul 2010, 13:36 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-266: yeah whats ya point the abs are at the top of the great game at the moment….. but come wc time thats a different story./ jokes i honestly think its the abs wc (take away the choke) this time.
31 Jul 2010, 13:38 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-277:
I am due fo a visit to NZ,stuff I want to to like the 8 hour trip in the waitomo caves with the abseiling etc.
Another 5 day seakayak of the Abel Tasman would be nice as well.
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-278:
We need consistencies across all the areas.
31 Jul 2010, 13:38 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-275: glad you are laughing – your team won, what more do you want… surely not capitulation and adulation – from me you aint gonna get it… I am not a stormersader supporter
31 Jul 2010, 13:39 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-284: still a year away, lot of rugby before that tournament even begins..
31 Jul 2010, 13:39 pm
the abs unstoppable the springboks need to adapt but 1 year is too much
31 Jul 2010, 13:39 pm
It’s bizarre that the Wallabies are on top with 14 men.
31 Jul 2010, 13:39 pm
Pocock has ‘outfetched’ McCaw in this game, and that’s under the S14 interpretations.
31 Jul 2010, 13:39 pm
@Fern(Fern)-270: Fern, you sound busy
Building business picking up?
31 Jul 2010, 13:40 pm
abs defence looks sussed
31 Jul 2010, 13:40 pm
Wallabies still trying, not capitulating like the Boks, even down to 14 men.
Shows what can be done. So so obvious the massive liability we have in Smit.
31 Jul 2010, 13:40 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-279:
Yeah understand BH. Just sometimes it seems there is no advantage at all.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-281:
Revenge?
I dont know what you are on about,seriously. Hence the PDV comment
31 Jul 2010, 13:40 pm
pricks that think Smit was going to carry the cause to 2011 are the dumb fool apologists, the dumb @ss idiots that can’t see evolution till its already passed them by.
De Villiers one idiotic mistake was to run after John Smit and Victor Matfield as his holy grail knights in armor to success.
Problem with saffa rugby is it always takes an entire generation to rid itself of its inherent generic idiocy and wake up to reality like a dumb heffalump of cardiac arresting immobility such as John Smit and his archaic destitute rugby philosophy born and bred in the sewers of aimless Jw kicking to oblivion rugby strategic none eventuality is a heritage of dumb delinquent stupid conservatism, which is only good for being trampled into the dirt as it deserves.
31 Jul 2010, 13:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-286: whose laughin, the only time Im laughing is when you try to defend your absence after all your braggart posts before the start of the 3Ns..
I find that something to laugh my farken head off at..
31 Jul 2010, 13:42 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-290:
Yep for sure,but McCaw has out played Pocock in all other departments.
Wallabies can still hold there head up high i think. They have played with passion tonight
31 Jul 2010, 13:42 pm
i think the abs attack is best in the world but their defence maybe the second/third in the world
31 Jul 2010, 13:43 pm
@JL1(JL1)-291:
Stuff in the pipeline for next year.Recession is affecting everyone.Picking up now.
31 Jul 2010, 13:43 pm
The Wallabies have outscored the ABs 14-12 since they lost a man.
31 Jul 2010, 13:44 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-295: Think you will find more than one mistake with Snor:
1. Smit
2. Matfield
3. Muir
4. Gold
5. frans Steyn
6. JDV on wing
7. Smit to Prop
8. Kanko to 7
9. Pienaar to 10
10. Januarie
11. Rose
12. Calling refs cheats
13. Calling AB captain a cheat
14. Calling everyone a cheat
15. Callig SA supporters racist
and and and and….
31 Jul 2010, 13:44 pm
Well, ABs know they have won long ago, 5 pointer in the bag, nevertheless full credit for Australia for not giving up. 2 tries while 14 men show that they still are one of the best teams in the world despite pathetic player resources.
31 Jul 2010, 13:44 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-295:
khunts like you should spend less time here and do job hunting.
Answer my question dhoos.
31 Jul 2010, 13:44 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-297: well they haven’t capitulated completely, but there was only ever one team in it and given that Oz are at home I’m not sure they can hold their heads too high.
31 Jul 2010, 13:46 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-300: That just shows how good Australia are. Of course, let’s not forget the game was done and dusted before red card.
31 Jul 2010, 13:46 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-300:
Yep Henry would not be happy. ABs have put the foot of the pedal,something they need to seriously look at
31 Jul 2010, 13:47 pm
@Nils(Nils)-302: ’2 tries while 14 men show that they still are one of the best teams in the world’
can’t agree with that, Ireland scored loads against NZ when down to 14 too, NZ have taken their foot off the gas.
31 Jul 2010, 13:47 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-304:
Come on BH,they have been down a man for over half the game probably. Going on that i think they can and OZ have finished the stronger i think,at the moment
31 Jul 2010, 13:48 pm
to say “welp, we don’t have the players, the AB’s are just more talented than us” is giving a free pass to the Bok coaching staff. we do have the players, the S14 clearly demonstrates this, so stop making excuses for PdV and his staff for their terrible decisions. foreign journos acknowledge this fact too, it’s undeniable.
31 Jul 2010, 13:49 pm
Completely off topic but I am not sure I like 72 points in a test match?
Something wrong there.
31 Jul 2010, 13:49 pm
@Nils(Nils)-305: @Hurricane(Hurricane)-306: The Wallabies can be proud of this performance. I thought they were going to get a huge score put on them when they lost Mitchell but they refused to give up.
31 Jul 2010, 13:50 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-308: they’re at home and were never in it when it was 15 v 15, I think the Aussies will be unhappy with this groundhog day result v NZ.
31 Jul 2010, 13:50 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-307: Both your mentioned things. I just rate Australia much higher than Ireland. They have beaten the ABs during the last 100 or so years, after all.
31 Jul 2010, 13:50 pm
The only way SA will win the RWC is if they fire Smit and Snor and neither are going anywhere.
Building to 2015 then chaps
31 Jul 2010, 13:53 pm
If Carter kicks the conv, this will be the record points scored vs Australia.
31 Jul 2010, 13:53 pm
Pity Fdp cried off like the little groot kop prima donna he is.
Those thinking Fdp and F. Steyn would have made an iota of difference to the dumb f.ck archaic useless strategy that Smit and his has beens have choked Sa rugby with are more deluded than they were before when Fdp and Steyn systematically coughed up our advantages to Ireland and France on a plate. Just as Spies and Olivier are overrated idiotic palooka’s so too is the dumb idiot genius Fdp who at least knows when its time to go absent because had he been present in 2010 his overrated status would have been categorically exposed for all dumb idiot delusionals to see straight up.
If Joubert had not red carded Mitchell this game might still have gone down to the wire. He simply destroyed any semblance of a rugby test by reducing Aus to 14 players. Travesty of a nonentity event.
31 Jul 2010, 13:54 pm
Kak AB team, could not even get 50 points against the OZ mob
31 Jul 2010, 13:54 pm
@Nils(Nils)-313: I think they’re roughly the same level to be honest Nils as the head to heads would suggest, also think rating a team based on their performance against one side isn’t very accurate.
31 Jul 2010, 13:54 pm
congrats nz i will eat my humble steak pie by myself thankyou very much
31 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-294: Talk from Reechie and the ABs before the 3n – your memory that hazy?
31 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-312:
I believe OZ were in it with there 15 on the park.
If you cant see what i am saying we shall just leav it at that then BH
31 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
Well, I’d have preferred another Irish referee rather than that idiot with a national agenda to push.
31 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-316: Isn’t it the coach’s strategy? Is he or is he not in charge of the team? You assured us he was. Therefore he is responsible. Hard cheese old man.
31 Jul 2010, 13:55 pm
look @ rocky all bloodied, spies never leaves the field looking like that..
31 Jul 2010, 13:56 pm
Let’s hope our Coaching staff watched this game. Hard earned possession kept and not kicked aimlessly away.
This is how rugby should be played. Well done to both teams.
31 Jul 2010, 13:56 pm
Lucky Aussies, only 49.
Anyway, New Zealand proved yet again they currently are no 1 while Australia showed some pride while man down. Good game.
Cheers all and go Lions.
31 Jul 2010, 13:56 pm
@JL1(JL1)-317: how many did your team score against them? bwahahaha
31 Jul 2010, 13:57 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-325: Mate you think our arrogant coaching staff will take notice of anything?
They are the 3 muppets.
31 Jul 2010, 13:57 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-295: Your Kiwi friends are applauding you and your anti-bok propaganda tirades. An evolutionary mistake, like h.omo floriensis of the antipodes…
31 Jul 2010, 13:57 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-321: I do see what you’re saying, I just think the Aussies will aspire to being better than that.
31 Jul 2010, 13:57 pm
Richie deserved m.o.m award – what a class act.
31 Jul 2010, 13:58 pm
whats with the refs in this years 3N, not a single game has gone the distance with 15 men
31 Jul 2010, 13:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-320:
No. I knew Richie said that,and so what,who cares. I didnt say anything of the sort but yet you still think you know all us Islanders.
31 Jul 2010, 13:59 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-331: Best rugby player on the planet.
31 Jul 2010, 13:59 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-316: The strategy was affected by typical kiwi underhandedness and their paddies-in-a-pocket
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-329:
And yet you can preach your anti NZ all over the place. Fuc’ken man up ya puss
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-328:
Well if they don’t and continue to play the old fashioned rugby we will be thumped weak in and weak out. Bottom line. Adapt or die. The last 25 minutes – I counted two kicks and they were grubbers to wings. Those guys were finished but what entertainment.
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
Congrats to the All Black supporters and the team.
Thought it would be closer. IMO once the red was given the kiwis were backing off anyway so nothing in it really. ABs still would have won handsomely.
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
@Wayne Barnes No.1 Ref(sipher)-319: It’s crow pie, pilgrim.
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-318: Head to head reads 18 wins Australia, 1 draw and 8 wins Ireland and – while many games have been compatitive and exciting – I struggle to recall when Ireland last time won in Australia. So in my books, still advantage Australia. And nothing taking away from the Irish, they are really good team outside top 3.
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-334:
Won’t disagree mate. He is such class.
31 Jul 2010, 14:00 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-334: get real tackles
31 Jul 2010, 14:01 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-333: well, you asked, and were given an answer, now go be happy with your “magnificent” win. your team is indisputably “no. 1″ before the WC
31 Jul 2010, 14:01 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-327: @Nils(Nils)-326: @Hurricane(Hurricane)-321: Well done to your All Blacks. 7 tries that was totally brilliant from them today.
Go celebrate and enjoy a fantastic win that was. Was for the first time hoping Oz would win not that I support them over the ABs, always support ABs when not playing the Boks, was just hoping for a much more exciting Tri-Nations this year and not that one team would run away with it. Seems ABs are doing just that.
31 Jul 2010, 14:01 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-337: Well be prepared to be sorted out better than a 5 dollar hoe on a Saturday night in Fish Hoek.
We on a hiding with Snor, Muir and Smit.
31 Jul 2010, 14:01 pm
fern you little dumb f.ck rock spider poesie boy you want an answer from me you little ignorant dumb schmuck twat @ss prick come get one in your dumb f.ck rock spider snout you twat @ssed little ignoramus d!ckhead schmuck
31 Jul 2010, 14:02 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-338:
Thanks mate
31 Jul 2010, 14:02 pm
plod will get 100 caps and the all blacks will pumps us @ soccer city! Mealamu & Muliaina revitalised, wow!
31 Jul 2010, 14:03 pm
Well that was a good old snotting.
31 Jul 2010, 14:03 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-336: and that is what I am doing, little islander. no fawning adulation for precious ABs from me, im afraid…
31 Jul 2010, 14:03 pm
@Puma(Puma)-344:
Thanks Puma
31 Jul 2010, 14:04 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-338: cheers, hate to see a game decline into 14 on 15 though… it ruins the spectacle…
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-335:
“typical kiwi underhandedness and their paddies-in-a-pocket”
so tell me, which one of the SA linesman or referree are “paddies”?
what a bitter, bitter, bitter person you are… is that all that revenge duplicity you like to talk about ? seems your the only duplicitous one, when you bother to show up here of course..
31 Jul 2010, 14:04 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-348: stormersader adulation…
31 Jul 2010, 14:04 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-345:
Yeah we are far off the trend mate! We all see it but for a few who still think we are unbeatable at home. We are going to be thumped 40 love if we don’t change our play and players soon.
31 Jul 2010, 14:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-353: any way the wind blows…
31 Jul 2010, 14:05 pm
ABs scored 8 tries versus SA and have now scored 7 tries versus Australia. Fifteen tries in three tests! They certainly have got their attack sorted out.
31 Jul 2010, 14:05 pm
@Nils(Nils)-340: I knew you’d pull up the all time record but it was clear I was talking about recent head to head games where the two teams are pretty evenly matched. There is no top 3, it’s not Premier League football, any one of a number of teams can beat each other on any given day and I have to say having been beaten by Scotland, drawing with Ireland and losing at home in June I don’t rate the Wobblies as highly as you do.
31 Jul 2010, 14:05 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-352: …the last 2 games against the boks, dullard
31 Jul 2010, 14:06 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-356: Wow, panting ensues…
31 Jul 2010, 14:06 pm
@Puma(Puma)-344: cheers Puma…
31 Jul 2010, 14:06 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-351: ABs looking the business mate. Really awesome today. Go celebrate.
31 Jul 2010, 14:06 pm
@Puma(Puma)-344: Hi, Puma, thanks and good luck to your team be it Boks or Sharks!
31 Jul 2010, 14:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-350:
No worries little white person that hates Islanders…………….hmmm does not look good does it.
31 Jul 2010, 14:06 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-356:
Yes the AB’s treasure possession and keep it all the time. We get hard earned possession and kick it back at the opposition.
31 Jul 2010, 14:07 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-360: Have a big glass of red Poppa. I will have one tonight for your brilliant ABs. I missed the first half but will watch it later. Saw the 2nd half well most of it.
31 Jul 2010, 14:07 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-346: mmmmmm rock spider??
your immaturity levels are hitting new lows
31 Jul 2010, 14:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-358: isnt this thread for the Aus/NZ game?
your bitterness is showing, run away for 3 weeks again..
please
31 Jul 2010, 14:07 pm
Well done to all the AB supporters here! Be proud guys – be very proud.
31 Jul 2010, 14:08 pm
KEO so racial slurs are allowed????
31 Jul 2010, 14:08 pm
@Nils(Nils)-362: Thanks Nils, Well hope the Boks can come right. For today though hope my Sharks can beat the Cheetahs. They our bogey team as you know and we playing on their home turf. So keeping my fingers crossed. Game starts in a hour.
31 Jul 2010, 14:08 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-357: Oh come on now. The Tri-Nations teams are clearly the top 3 sides in the world, as is consistently reflected in the rankings – at least for most of the past 5 years.
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
well done all blacks , good game of rugga
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-357:
Sorry Big Hit,there is a top 3,even a top 10.
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-363: What makes you presume I am “white” and what makes it important to a kiwi – this Kiwi “non racialism” at play or just confirmation of antipodean duplicity…
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
who remembers the game against Ireland in the EOYT last year, our kick and chase game was thoroughly destroyed. somehow we didn’t learn and now we’re getting thrashed. the writers at Rugby Heaven (the NZ variety) were saying how the AB’s need to adapt and innovate if they are going to beat the Boks this year, but it seems all they did is learn to catch a ball and then keep possession. our persistence with this one dimensional garbage is the biggest thorn in our side. once this changes, inevitably the dead weight players in the team will be shed too. i hope you didn’t read all the way to the end of this post
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-357: Yes, partly I agree with you. 50:50 chances for both for most of the time. Just wandering why Australia hovers all the time around no. 2-4 in the rankings while Ireland had no3 for a one brief moment long ago. It must have something to do with their results and therefore strenght, I guess.
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
Incredible performance from ABs again, is it just me or do they look to have better skills and are in much better condition than Wallabies or Boks. Incredible mixture of power and speed
Wallabies did not play well though, terrible discipline, not same concentration levels as last week
2010 Tri-nations over, well done ABs, wooden spoon play off left only
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
Cory Jane has just said that the game tonight was “a step up from the Springboks” and this game was “another level” to the games vs the Boks.
31 Jul 2010, 14:09 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-367:
Hi Poppa – well done buddy! The game is played on grass and your team show up day in and day out. No doubt about the class team this year.
31 Jul 2010, 14:10 pm
@Puma(Puma)-365: at work Puma so will have to have a raincheck on the vino…
31 Jul 2010, 14:10 pm
Cheers all and go celebrate all the AB supporters. Your team was outstanding.
Go Sharks for later.
31 Jul 2010, 14:10 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-368: beating Oz under Deans for them has become like beating Italy, that’s 8-1 and a gift bonus.
31 Jul 2010, 14:10 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-367: Go be happy, not bitter. Your team did win, you know.
31 Jul 2010, 14:10 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-369:
Reckon,dont like being called an Islander
31 Jul 2010, 14:10 pm
@Puma(Puma)-370: I will certainly watch it. Hoping for a good game.
31 Jul 2010, 14:11 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-380: Don’t worry Poppa I will have one for you later……hahaha.
Cheers mate. Out of here now.
31 Jul 2010, 14:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-374:
What makes you think i am a Kiwi??
HOw about you just leave
31 Jul 2010, 14:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-359: Beats the whining and bleating heard from the Yarpies… boo hoo, the ref hates us…sob sob, Richie gets away with murder…whine whine, we have a “travel disadvantage”…snivel snivel… why didn’t the ref dish out a card for that… sniff sniff… it’s all so UNFAIR…
That sort of thing, you know?
31 Jul 2010, 14:12 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-384: NZ is an island in physical reality and mentality it seems
31 Jul 2010, 14:13 pm
@Nils(Nils)-376: I’d imagine it has more to do with playing the Springboks more often. You get a lot of points for beating a side ranked higher than you and the Boks have been above Aus for the last 2/3 years. Australia probably are the better team than Ireland but not by a great deal imo.
31 Jul 2010, 14:14 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-379: Hey Bill, thanks mate… still a lot for them to work on, and Im sure Aus will be back next week… have to feel for Mitchell somewhat, fights his way back into the Aus team only to be red-carded…
31 Jul 2010, 14:14 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-387: Ahhh, some more duplicity. on the one hand “where were you for 3 weeks” and then on the other “just leave”. typical
31 Jul 2010, 14:15 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-388: you’re talking like NZers didn’t have a good whine last year too, it’s human nature tackles, very rarely a side used to winning won’t start chucking the toys out when things go against them.
31 Jul 2010, 14:15 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-384: what you on about????
31 Jul 2010, 14:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-389: Shame that little has shown the Boks on a nummber of occassions how to play the game. Anyways carry on little fella,i am proud to be supporting the Kiwis.
So how did the refs go tonight?
Did the linesmen get it right this time. How about the read card,have you got your armband on yet?
31 Jul 2010, 14:16 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-388: It has more than an element of truth, “you know”.
31 Jul 2010, 14:16 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-395:
Read Card = Red Card
31 Jul 2010, 14:16 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-391:
Well done for providing us with a great display. Well, at least the AB players.
31 Jul 2010, 14:17 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-394:
dont mind me,just enjoying the win
31 Jul 2010, 14:17 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-391:
That’s the game mate! Take it like a man, which he did, and come back better. The AB’s are close to the perfect game now. I hope our coaching staff are watching this – otherwise it is going to be a long way to get before 2011.
31 Jul 2010, 14:17 pm
1. New Zealand 3 3 0 0 112 57 55 3 15
2. Australia 2 1 1 0 58 62 -4 0 4
3. South Africa 3 0 3 0 42 93 -51 0 0
31 Jul 2010, 14:17 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-395: Except in WCs that is. Score Boks 2 ABs 0.5 (the other 0.5 for a WC without the best team playing)
31 Jul 2010, 14:18 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-346: I’ve emailed the webmaster again dude, you can’t talk like that in a public forum.
It’s disgraceful, I don’t care how you speak in front of your own kids, not on in here. Show some respect.
31 Jul 2010, 14:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-402:
31 Jul 2010, 14:19 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-403: hiyas mate. no doubt he is trailer park material
31 Jul 2010, 14:20 pm
Well outta here guys. Well done to all the AB’s enjoy the celebrations.
31 Jul 2010, 14:21 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-406: catch you later Bill.. cheers..
31 Jul 2010, 14:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-402: dont forget the AB’s always win everything the year before the world cup
31 Jul 2010, 14:22 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-404: Howzit. Any thoughts on the game later. Will be a good one against the orange nemesis
31 Jul 2010, 14:22 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-408: Yup, its in the bag
31 Jul 2010, 14:22 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-373: the side ranked 11 are better than the side ranked 10, it’s a futile system.
31 Jul 2010, 14:23 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-405: hey, pity though because when he’s not ranting about JWs agents he actually has some great insights.
Pity they are rendered redundant with the rest of the twaddle cascading out of his mouth…
Sharks better sort out the Cheetahs today.
31 Jul 2010, 14:24 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-412: how many hours until kick-off?
31 Jul 2010, 14:25 pm
To break this appalling monotony let’s say that Bold Silvano(6) to fight it out with Aslan(11-25/1) in the Durban July and these two to be followed home by Happy Valley(13) and River Jetez(10).
31 Jul 2010, 14:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-402:
Shame you guys still balme everyone else for not being there in 1987. Suppose it was the refs fault.
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-404:
Wow,your easy to make smile
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-408:
I dont forget,all good. Remember next year you cant hide behind a nice draw. You wont be skipping the best teams in the world to get the RWC 2011 finals
31 Jul 2010, 14:27 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-413: 40 mins
31 Jul 2010, 14:27 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-413:
Half an hour, 2.00pm UK time, immediately followed by Bulls v Lions at 4.pm your time.
31 Jul 2010, 14:28 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-411:
Yep and the winners of the RWC lost to the NZ that came 7th or 8th in that tournament so whats the point?
31 Jul 2010, 14:29 pm
@ET(ET)-414: Durban was quiet this morning, and the race course didn’t seem to have as many tents as usual when I looked from Musgrave today.
No doubt it’s going to be an all-fall-down affair as usual.
31 Jul 2010, 14:30 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-415: of course
cat steal ur sense of humour??
comes free you know
31 Jul 2010, 14:30 pm
.
Finally, a match with TWO sides playing rugby !
Let’s forget about the CLOWN masquerading as a ‘referee’ for now and applaud both teams for having a go until the final whistle – salute !
31 Jul 2010, 14:30 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-403: Kickshot just needs a pg rating with his comments thats all. to be accessed by grownups (which unfortunately will exclude most tokoloshe south sea islanders). kickshot bullshyte humour surprisingly is chickensoup to the soul – just don’t take it personally. btw Kickshot was goaded by that dimwit, and his reply was not as bad as some on this site… It was colourful prose only he can write…
31 Jul 2010, 14:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-410:
hmm i remember you saying that 3-4 weeks ago about the 3N.
31 Jul 2010, 14:31 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-415: hey if you win good luck
its part of sport
but lets not go into favourable draws etc
31 Jul 2010, 14:31 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-415: Who said anything about blame… not I. HG just pointed out the best team was missing…
31 Jul 2010, 14:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-422: Most of it is super funny, especially when I imagine the accent that goes with it LOL.
31 Jul 2010, 14:32 pm
@ET(ET)-414: WTF?
31 Jul 2010, 14:32 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-421:
Yep thats right. Two teams that actually put a good game together
31 Jul 2010, 14:33 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-412: @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-409: yup cant wait should be a good game
lets hope the sharks are in form or it’ll be a sad day
31 Jul 2010, 14:34 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-423: Its called staying on message and not wavering – something a duplicitous islander knows nothing about
31 Jul 2010, 14:34 pm
tsk tsk tsk ,johannesburg is waiting mate ,
31 Jul 2010, 14:35 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-424:
lol
Ok i will keep away from the Draw saga.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-425:
Sorry,you seem to blame everything of late on the refs and Kiwis.
By the way SA wasnt the best team in the world in 1987,NZ was and proved it. Live with it and carry on,is what you need to do.
31 Jul 2010, 14:35 pm
skoppie suddenly dissapeared
me thinks his gutter language accounted for him again 
31 Jul 2010, 14:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-430:
Yep,even though you look like a twat,carry on with your SA will win the 3N etc
31 Jul 2010, 14:38 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-432: uhm they proved it against everyone but south africa …….
but illl be fair . you guys won the world cup 1987
2-1 boks
31 Jul 2010, 14:38 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-432: Well done bud, I was afraid we wouldn’t show up tonight and we didn’t, you guys must be pround, looking good, Our guys can go away lick the wounds and try and restore some pride
31 Jul 2010, 14:38 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-426: lol. what is the imagined accent? (for me its a spluttering lisp induced by two incisors missing in the top row of teeth along the lines of (phonetics) eggk gkaan joe moo-rrrr!)
31 Jul 2010, 14:39 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-419:
There will be a rush soon as the big buck Dubai oil barons are in the Indian market not far from Greyville.
What number is your bucks on?
31 Jul 2010, 14:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-437: LOL
31 Jul 2010, 14:41 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-434: It has been said many times before on Keo – “this is not a popularity contest”…
I like to see it as a quest for truth and exposure of duplicity in rugby…
But thank you for your concern…
31 Jul 2010, 14:42 pm
@SAussie/QldRed(SAussie)-436:
SAussie
Pride is never a problem with you guys.
I think even with the odds against you with a man down for 60% of the game,you did really well. A couple didnt do what i thought they would. Genia i thought was going to come out take the fringes like we all know he can,but he didnt. Pocock is a good player,how many steals did he get?
But thanks mate,always a good game against the Kiwis and the Ozzies,something special about them i think
31 Jul 2010, 14:43 pm
@ET(ET)-438: I haven’t a clue about ponies.
I only win when I go to the July and put cash down after 3 beers and forget about it. When I go back later I normally win. If I think about it I have no chance.
31 Jul 2010, 14:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-427:
It’s called the Sport of Kings but then you’re too old to even be a Prince let alone a rugby playing prince like William was.
31 Jul 2010, 14:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-440:
duplicity – talking up your team before the game
– disappearing for two weeks after they lose..
yep, you are extremely duplicitous…
31 Jul 2010, 14:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-440:
No worries,carry on with finding the truth,but it might hurt a little so be prepared its not what you think it is
31 Jul 2010, 14:44 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-432: NZ proved it by losing the year before WC ’87 and by losing ever since (in WCs), soozie or waynebarnes notwithstanding…
31 Jul 2010, 14:44 pm
@ET(ET)-443:
lol
31 Jul 2010, 14:47 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-442:
Are you to get your usual beating today at the hands of your Nemesis, OFS?
31 Jul 2010, 14:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-446:
Really it does not matter. We have won the RWC,you only have won one more,good on you and well done.But all your chest beating and we are better than you has sort of back fired really has it HG. You were the one saying all this by the way.
Anyway NZ on top of the hardest Tournament in the world,top 3 teams in the world playing home and away.
31 Jul 2010, 14:48 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-441: Genia was good, I thought Barnes did nothing and really demonstrated what a loss cooper was. Mitchell is just plain stupid, One positive was that the subs did really well, I think we just don’t have the depth in Aus to compete, Maybe with a full compliment such as with Digby, Horwill, Alexander, Cooper we may have had a shot. I guess I if you look at the game in contect such as there is no other team in the World that can match you guys we did alright. Black out times are here again
31 Jul 2010, 14:49 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-444: I “disappeared” before they lost and have turned up after they lost to “face the music”, as such …
That is not duplicitous, but you wouldn’t know the meaning, hey?
The “music” from little south sea tokoloshe islanders hasn’t been that convincing – a bit like a cover of Pink Floyd (always *****)
31 Jul 2010, 14:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-451: always sh.yte
31 Jul 2010, 14:53 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-447:
I am glad your guys(ABs) are back to making many downtrodden Capetonians happy again by winning with the regularity that they are.
Always good to have as many poor people happy as there is so little cheer in their lives.
31 Jul 2010, 14:53 pm
@ET(ET)-448: We beat them last time but who knows… maybe it’s because we steal their players
Hoping for a good performance from our guys, but time will tell.
Juan Smith is in good form so we should watch out
31 Jul 2010, 14:54 pm
@SAussie/QldRed(SAussie)-450:
Last week i said Genia was the best #9 at the moment. So maybe i was expecting a little bit more from him as i dont rate Cowan at all. Mitchell did do something silly but he was off the field when Rocky was told about the infringing and stopping of the quick taps. So maybe Rocky didnt tell Mitchell.
Oz are missing players so its not all bad as is SA. Just NZ are not missing to many players where we cant cover.
31 Jul 2010, 14:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-451: you still “disappeared”
all we needed to really know…
31 Jul 2010, 14:54 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-416: @David(David)-417: cheers guys
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-418: weakened Bok sides lost to NZ that year, but that’s not the point. You’re implying there’s a league, but the ranking system doesn’t represent a league. There are no home and away fixtures and all teams don’t play each other. Moreover, they use historical points from prior years so they don’t reflect the reality in 2010.
31 Jul 2010, 14:55 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-449: Oh, but the Boks are second to no team and South Africa is the greatest rugby playing nation on the planet.
The 3N is a lopsided tournament as many Kiwis point out. A kissing cousin party gatecrashed now and again by the Boks which is the way you would like it to remain and do your damdest to ensure.
The Argies only are entering through support of SA… then we shall see the effects of travel – similar to the last few years of S14 (1 extra team outside Aus and its island province of hobbitland)
31 Jul 2010, 14:56 pm
@ET(ET)-453:
ohhh nice post,us Kiwis are always here to help
31 Jul 2010, 14:56 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-457: and that’s before I go into the differences in the timing of the NH/SH seasons, injury rate differences between various nations etc etc. It goes on and on, bottom line, rankings aren’t reliable.
31 Jul 2010, 14:56 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-456: Yeah, but am back an ensuring you Kiwis don’t get away with your little flip-flop fibs
31 Jul 2010, 14:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-458: yawn!!!!
31 Jul 2010, 14:59 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-457:
BH.
NZ beat them in 2007 as well as 2008.
Again NZ 7th or 8th and we beat the RWC holders before and after.
So the 2010 ranking are wrong now?
BH please dont bother. IRB have a few people that know what they are doing.
31 Jul 2010, 14:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-458: ? I think you are wrong mate.
As much as I want the Boks to win all, I can’t say the tournament isn’t fair.
We were beaten by bringing sticks to a nuclear war, clear and simple.
Probably our best shot is playing Australia away twice as opposed to the Abs, but then the Abs play us twice at home those years so it balances out.
31 Jul 2010, 15:00 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-454:
Who needs more motivation than stolen players in SA.
Less has started wars before.
About to watch that game soon so I am technically out(but in on the game).
31 Jul 2010, 15:01 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-460:
So RWC isnt reliable then if you are taking into account the injuries.
NZ #1 team in the world,if you dont like it BH so be it.
31 Jul 2010, 15:01 pm
@ET(ET)-443: Um, its nothing greater than a gambling den common in some areas of capetown where the snoekfisherman with their beanies bet on the winner of the boardgame played with sparletta bottle caps – you could probably tell me the name of the game…
31 Jul 2010, 15:01 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-463: Boks sent a 2nd team to NZ in ’07 and were missing 5 or 6 players in the home leg. The rankings are unreliable, period. If you want 2010 rankings look at the 3N and 6N tables but they certainly can’t be applied on a world level (that’s why we have a World Cup).
31 Jul 2010, 15:02 pm
Geez…how about pitch conditions, third world stuff if you ask me, reckon even Nelson Mandela Bay surface is better than Etihad Stadium , absolutely shocking!!!
31 Jul 2010, 15:03 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-462: Capitulation…?
31 Jul 2010, 15:03 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-466: I’m not disputing NZ are the best team at the moment, I’d question the quality of opposition they’ve played this year however.
31 Jul 2010, 15:03 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-459:
Just don’t let them(and me) down at Soccer City on 21 Aug.
That is the BIG one for them, the one that counts, the proverbial Cherry on Top because it is in Gauteng.
31 Jul 2010, 15:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-458:
lol
Another cracker of a post,but i have a funny feeling you believe it
31 Jul 2010, 15:05 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-464: Unlike others (generally stormersaders) I refuse to capitulate and smother precious kiwis and their team with unjustified fawning adulation
31 Jul 2010, 15:07 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-473: “If the truth hurts, dont read” – HG, 2010
31 Jul 2010, 15:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-467:
Sorry don’t know. Too sophisticated for that hence the SPORT of KINGS rules.
Make more money and quicker than the shares games that you indulge in.
31 Jul 2010, 15:07 pm
@David(David)-180: I think we have the guys. The coaches need to do a few things now that the Trinations is already a bridge too far.
1. Rest the seniors and build them up with a re-conditioning program and play their way back in during CC semis/finals.
2. Make a very clear decision on getting our defence to shift up quickly and tackle opponents on/behind the ad-line.
3. Pick a fetcher.
4. Be brave and adventurous like Deans and trust your youth. There is no sense in reverting to the senior side now again.
5. Bring speed and intensity back into our game.
Play this side:
1. Beast
2. Bismarck- we need 1 good half from him.
3. Werner Kruger- we need new blood
4. Flip vdM
5. Juan Smith (Ideal way of bringing him back where we don’t need him to play at full tilt. We need another 5 lock as there is no-one putting up their hand- Hargreaves not the man)
6. F Louw- basically last chance saloon for him in remaining three Trinations games
7. Dewald Potgieter- has to prove he has what it takes and stake a claim for a starting place come WC
8. Duane Vermeulen- one shot = three games to spark
9. Francois Hougard
10.Morne Steyn
11.G.Aplon
12.Juan de Jongh
13.Jaque Fourie
14.JP Pietersen
15.Hennie Daniller= we need a big fullback with a thundering boot and sound defense as well as ability to join the line. If Frans Steyn does make his way back in it will probably have to be at 12 with de Jongh moving to 13 when Mossie is done.
The view should be that the seniors return to this side to bring their experience and fresh legs come EOYT to establish depth in key positions. We must sweep everything in front of us come outgoing tour time. Then all we need is Brussow back and we are raring to go come WC.
16.Chilliboy
17.Coenie Oosthuizen- we need new blood
18.Gurthro Steenkamp
19.Danie Rossouw
20.Piere Spies
21.Ruan Pienaar
22.Jean d V
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31 Jul 2010, 15:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-470: nah, just in a state of ennui with your posts actually..
31 Jul 2010, 15:09 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-464: Watch and then we shall see… A little live experiment I think…
31 Jul 2010, 15:10 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-478: Fark, thats a big word like marmalade for the likes of you…
31 Jul 2010, 15:10 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-468:
Big hit.
Stop with the rankng are flawed cos of injuries cos that is just dumb. It seems everyone has injuries but NZ.
RWC we had injuries so does that make the outcome wrong?
31 Jul 2010, 15:10 pm
Well that craapy in decline team seems to have edged another close win
31 Jul 2010, 15:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-475:
Aggh this must be the second chapter cos your first chapter of NZ K@K and SA taking the Tri Nations had anything but truth in it.
31 Jul 2010, 15:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-458:
Can’t wait to see you guys thrashing at at home.
The difference is of course that if you beat us by that much it would actually be a record.
31 Jul 2010, 15:13 pm
@ET(ET)-476: …derivatives and equities… maybe, but shares – no clue, as flummoxed as you.
A humble janitor knows nothing about such things
you started with me… unofficial truce ended??
31 Jul 2010, 15:14 pm
@chch(chch)-484:
Can’t wait to see you guys thrashing us at home.
The difference is of course that if you beat us by that much it would actually be a record.
31 Jul 2010, 15:14 pm
@chch(chch)-484:
lol
31 Jul 2010, 15:16 pm
Okay, outtahere…
Cheers rugbylovers and little islander hobbits…
Just remember “If the truth disturbs then dont read”
PS well done to the ABs on a deserved (but lucky) win.
31 Jul 2010, 15:16 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-471: I would question that quality as well after tonight, We’ll be back boys, Aussies are always dangerous after a hiding, especially when our media gets into them, Good night Kiwis, saffas and poms
31 Jul 2010, 15:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-488:
Cool cya later and dont let the door hit you in the V@gina on the way out
31 Jul 2010, 15:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-485:
Especially if your Sharks cop a defeat today.
I just restored some balance for the foreigners.
31 Jul 2010, 15:27 pm
Heavens Game obviously took his own advice about the truth hurting
and left
31 Jul 2010, 15:35 pm
Well done to the AB’s.
I was offered 5 tickets to take clients to the match on 21 Aug at Soccer City.
But am leaving for the game reserve for a week with the family on the 20th Aug.
What’s a man to do?
They’re going to be devastated when I break the news to them.
31 Jul 2010, 15:58 pm
@catleya(catleya)-477:
I agree with a lot of what you say. At the moment, and for large periods of Bok rugby, we rely more on strategy than skill and speed in execution, as if that’s enough.
31 Jul 2010, 16:30 pm
.
Specialists have advised that I may, in fact, be in early stages of acute Coulrophobia.
31 Jul 2010, 16:36 pm
@SAussie/QldRed(SAussie)-489: I think Aussie are in the position depth-wise where every player counts and against that background Alexander/Cooper are big losses. I take nothing from the ABs though, winners are grinners and 50 points away from home speaks for itself.
31 Jul 2010, 19:27 pm
@catleya(catleya)-477: Now this team I like. in fact I like it a lot
31 Jul 2010, 21:40 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-495: coulrophobia…
quite common in SA at the moment too I believe
31 Jul 2010, 22:05 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-498: you’re not wrong there POPS.
1 Aug 2010, 00:50 am
15 tries and 15 log points. That’s the AB tally after three games.
1 Aug 2010, 03:25 am
I have to take my hat off the the AB coaching staff. From WC 2007 disaster, to 2009 embarrassment …. they have coached up a storm and deserve all the success they are getting.
Just hope the Bok management team can take a leaf out of their book and turn things around for the Boks. They have all the “ingredients” i.e. the players and S14 blue print, to achieve it.
But somehow I fear the bok management team are not in the same class as the Three Amigos from All Black land …….
Bugger.
1 Aug 2010, 03:32 am
Just remember how the AB’s are brilliant leading up to a World Cup…they are also fantastically reliable chokers! It’s a tough habit to kick! Here’s hoping for consistency!
The Wallabies showed that the ABs are not invincible…just very good.
And a corollary is how piss poor the Boks were!
1 Aug 2010, 05:30 am
This time it’s the Boks who peaked between world cups. In 2009.
Their “veterans” with all their precious “world cup winning experience” are now past their shelf-life, over the hill and are rotting away. The Boks will be lucky to make it past pool play in NZ in 2011. They’re on the way down.
The Wallabies got hammered by almost 30 points. That shows the ABs really ARE just about invincible (bar a plane crash) and very good. And still they’re on the way up. Every week they’re playing even better than in the preceding week.
Their veterans have won all their mojo back — Mils, Roko, Nonu, Carter, Weepu, Mealamu, Thorn, etc — and their young un’s are all good un’s — Jane, Dagg, Franks bros, Vito, Reid, etc.
And they have the best player on earth in McCaw as the skipper.
All looking good at the right time.
1 Aug 2010, 06:48 am
Hey Tacky. This Bok team will be back and better for it MARK MY WORDS.
When the veteran Boks do get their mojo back come WC2011 it will be deja vu for you my friend. You do remember the period pre and after after WC2007 when you first flexed your muscles and then went underground hey?
1 Aug 2010, 11:11 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-503: I don’t know what goes on in New Zealand’s schools, “pilgrim”, but where I come from 21 is a lot closer to 20 than it is to 30. The Kiwis beat the Wallabies by 21 points. The Wallabies were down by 18 points when they lost a player, and in the nearly 40 minutes that remained, the margin “ballooned” out by three whole points. That doesn’t sound like an “invincible” team, really – does it?
1 Aug 2010, 13:29 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-505:
Then commend the opposition, dont belittle the victors’.
2 positive teams ‘having a go’. At last.
1 Aug 2010, 13:40 pm
@fredman(fredman)-504: These veteran backs are too old to get their mojo back. They’ll probably get it back in time for the inaugural Zimmer-frame RWC to be held in sunny Bulgaria in 2012.
1 Aug 2010, 13:42 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-505: Being a staunch capitalist, I always round figures upward. Rounding things downward is for pinko socialists.
1 Aug 2010, 13:46 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-505: If I were that far ahead and one man up, Id ease off the gas too. No need to kill yourselves.
1 Aug 2010, 14:08 pm
Look, the Boks flew into NZ with their chests all puffed out over their 2009 success and the lower-order gains of the S14. Even the NZ bookies favoured them to win. And they swanned and swaggered about. Their SA hometown press were calling the ABs one of the poorest in memory and the Boks apparently had “momentum” after their early French victory. (Conveniently, perhaps, the rocky four defeat horror show of their 2009 EYOT was ignored and not contrasted with the ABs undefeated four-test EOYT gallop.)
Their grand triumphal march to RWC2011 greatness was about to unfold. Defeat of NZ at the 2011RWC final venue, and breaking a decades-old Eden Park jinx was all written in the happy script.
A month later and where are we now?
The Boks are in deep crisis. Their coach has yet again made a complete clown of himself. The team, who pride themselves on their resolute defence, have bled an embarrassing ten tries and nearly 100 points. They haven’t even collected one paltry bonus point for losing by 7 or less! They’ve played dirty and re-earned a costly reputation for a thuggish lack of sportmanship to add to the one for whiny ref-bleating. The team is old, flabby, porous and unimaginative.
The ABs have won the 3N already with three consecutive landslide victories. One more bonus point — even one for an under-7 defeat, will finish the contest. They have the best attacking game AND the best defensive game, and by far the best game for any spectator or rugby connoisseur to watch. Every game gets better than the one before and the trend is upward. There are absolutely NO weaknesses anywhere on the park. Their coaches are dignified, courteous and modest. The team is all spring-steel and whipcord.
A month ago it was all so very different, wasn’t it?
There are vultures circling over Soccer City already, apparently?
1 Aug 2010, 14:19 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-510: Maybe to some, to those who actually watch rugby and observe the plight of our coach and the Lions, this was all too obvious. Anyone who saw Smit this year could have called it too.
Only the SAFFAs who either really think we are the best because of some devine right, or those that back Div for reasons other than rugby did not see this coming.
I believe the Unions advised SARU of this back when Div was appointed.
1 Aug 2010, 14:31 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-510: damn….
I wish i was able to retaliate….i cannot.
But what i will say….is be careful the victim does not become the perpetrator.
You are starting to sound as windgat as the very saffas you now so ridicule.
1 Aug 2010, 14:40 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-510: Have a tug while you at it with the blind, incessant, fawning but undeserved adulation of the abs. Go on about how useless the Boks are suddenly. Do it… with the rest of the small minded “revenge-obsessed” islanders… its music to the ears of genuine Bok supporters without the short memories of some of the yellow bellies.
The Boks are going to have a successful Grand Slam EOYT following which they will win their 3rd WC next year. That is more important to these Boks. Of course the 3N is important to little south sea islanders, it is the only tournament they can win post ’87.
Ahhh, and I forget, the lopsided 3n tournament contributes to the AB “No 1.” “ranking” – a nice big wet comfort-blankie….
So rah, rah for those indomitable ABs and Ted peaking the year before the global tournament (again) and contributing to the Boks having their backs against the wall – you have given these Boks an almighty gift – something to prove, as they are written off by the yellowbelly anywaythewindblows bok “supporters” and all fall down and messiah worship those “unbeatable” men in black…
bwahahahahahahaha…..
1 Aug 2010, 14:42 pm
correction
So rah, rah for those indomitable ABs and Ted peaking the year before the global tournament (again) and contributing to the Boks having their backs against the wall – you have given these Boks an almighty gift – something to prove, as they are written off by the yellowbelly anywaythewindblows bok “supporters” and those who all fall down and messiah worship the “unbeatable” men in black…
bwahahahahahahaha…..
1 Aug 2010, 14:45 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-511: But South Africans are the best rugby players and rugby playing nation on the planet. Full Stop.
1 Aug 2010, 15:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-515: Are you being ironic, sarcastic or do you work for PDV?
The South Africans have a good pool of players, but their muppet gameplan, coach, assistants and Captain are letting them down.
There is no way they will win the RWC with Div at the helm and Smit by his side and Gold and Muir.
Get new assistants and maybe he has a chance, until then, don’t wast your money on tickets.
1 Aug 2010, 15:09 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-516: No, all I am saying is that South Africans are the best rugby players and SA the best rugby playing nation on earth. Full Stop. Nothing to do with PdV.
Rugby is a game waiting for SA to play – The Boks at their best do justice to the great game – Smashmouth power, passion, skill, speed…
England next adding pride and pageantry to the above, not the willynilly helterskelter change the rules or control the refs if it doesn’t work out for us antipoean way…
1 Aug 2010, 15:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-517: Take your meds, I think you are missing something.
1 Aug 2010, 15:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-514: The Boks peaked in 2009. Their peaking days have passed. Now they’re into plummeting. Without a bungy cord.
1 Aug 2010, 15:18 pm
I can relate a story when talking to an Italian rugger fan – he was asking why nz are allowed to dance around before a game and the other team must just stand and watch – I explained to him that their is a convention of respect.
His reply – that is farking unfair (something for you to bear in mind an extend in your logic for banning Maori but then fawning adulation of ABs)
He stated that if he was there on the field when it was happening (and that he wishes the Italia team would do it) – to pull down the pants, show them his a.rsehole and then “pees” on them…
I agree on his point – the Kiwis an their team are far too precious. I can’t wait until they don’t win the 2011 WC…
1 Aug 2010, 15:23 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-519: Boks have form of turning on a “ticky” so keep it going – The Boks are “Old” and they “peaked” in 2009 (When? To me it was when they beat the BI Lions – more important and special than beating little bitter south sea islanders)
They also put the record straight against France this year – a repeat next year in the WC against the ABs (thats if the ABs don’t get knocked out by France… again)
1 Aug 2010, 15:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-520: I’m not fawning over the All Blacks. I think they were allowed to get away with a lot, I think we were poor and Australia didn’t turn up either.
They are better than the other 2 teams right now.
However I do think our Boks are a SHAMBLES AND OUR TEAM AND COACHING STAFF ARE EMBARRASSING
1 Aug 2010, 15:53 pm
if losing the last 3 games on home soil meant the 3 stooges and plod would get the chop……
i may just be tempted to rent an aussie and kiwi flag for 3 weeks….
1 Aug 2010, 15:56 pm
@grant10(grant10)-523: G10 the only problem is: Auzzies at altitude. They suck up in the air, may be an unfortunate irony that winning keeps us losing.
1 Aug 2010, 16:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-517:
HG – perhaps you and Big Hit could set up your own private blog – perhaps call it Fools Paradise, or FantasyLand, or something like that…
1 Aug 2010, 16:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-517:
“Rugby is a game waiting for SA to play”
OK – but its been a year or two now, hasn’t it?
The Boks at their best (when are you thinking this last happened – the ’70′s?, ’60′s? )
do justice to the great game – Smashmouth power, passion, skill, speed… (Hardly any of these seen in the last 12 months – you must be getting tired of waiting :l0l:
1 Aug 2010, 16:24 pm
Many are writing about how old and **** the Springboks are. That the game has changed and the Boks haven’t adapted. I am not convinced about how the game has changed. The South Africans cleaned up the S14 with no problems under the “new laws”. I think from the Boks point of the view the problem lies with selection and coaching rather than game plan. All sides must play to their strengths and for the Boks, trying to emulate the All Blacks style would be futile. If they want to kick, they need to do so with precision and the scrums and line outs need to function. The “offensive defence” game of the Boks has will still win many matches if they right team is picked. On a good day the Boks line out destroys the All Blacks. One of the reasons why the All Blacks would want to run at all costs and kick for position. More competition for positions in the Bok side is long overdue and as the writer says the more gain than there is to lose. You can’t pick January for a game that requires du Preez razor sharp box kicks and decision making. They can’t play without a dedicated fetcher. If the game plan is offensive defence, one can’t miss tackles! In the words of Heyneke Meyer “it’s not rock science”.
1 Aug 2010, 16:32 pm
@Cyperus(Cyperus)-527:
In the words of Heyneke Meyer “it’s not rock science”.
Did Heyneke really say that?? Perhaps he was referring to “rock spiders”? Or was that “petrology”?
1 Aug 2010, 16:41 pm
I am wrong. It was Frans Ludeke. I suspect he meant rocket science. Funny enough though although the geologist or petrologist out there will know rock science is complicated.
1 Aug 2010, 16:45 pm
@Cyperus(Cyperus)-529:
Probably about as complicated as selecting/coaching a Bok rugby team
1 Aug 2010, 16:50 pm
@Cyperus(Cyperus)-527: Good comment – you are a rare breed at the moment – a Bok supporter who speaks sense without a yellow belly and who seems not to collapse in dilly excitement at the “unbeatable” ABs.
Well said…
1 Aug 2010, 16:51 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-526: Jeez where have you been – only start watching rugby in the last month have you, fo.kken kiwiboetie…
1 Aug 2010, 16:52 pm
@grant10(grant10)-523: another f.okken kiwiboetie stormersader…
1 Aug 2010, 17:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-532:
Na – been watching quite a while. I take a look at Keo every now and then – probably for 4 years or so now.
I must say – some of the tripe you’ve been spouting over the last month or so has been quite spectacular. I just hope that whatever is causing you so much pain in your life gets sorted out quickly.
1 Aug 2010, 17:26 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-534: Its called pre-3rd world cup bok winning dynamic tension, and its not the cause of pain – rather a big picture awareness of a plan coming to fruition – a few little weather glitches but the overall climate trend is warm, humid with stormclouds ahead for the world of rugby (including those treacherous so-called flipflopping Bok “supporters”) that is so quick to play down Bok achievements and ability – writing them off and simultneously placing the ab pretenders on a pedestal before the WC tourny next year. Thus I have plenty material to comment about and am truly happy that people have short memories and place so much stock on the World Champs ’87
1 Aug 2010, 17:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-535: History repeats itself… Hip,hip hooray
1 Aug 2010, 17:33 pm
So – the Bokke are throwing games now, to put the rest of the world off its stride, confuse their planning, and lull them into a false sense of confidence. Is that what you’re saying?
Now, that does sound like a plan that might come straight from the deeper recesses of PDiv’s mind.
(Presumably they aren’t doing a “Hansie” and having a bet on the opposition as well?).
1 Aug 2010, 17:57 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-537: bwahahahaha – typical duplicitous Kiwi pointing fingers about the “big, bad yarpies” re: “doing a Hansie”… How about “doing a Cairns”
Indian Times Jan 5 2010:
“NEW DELHI: Flamboyant New Zealand all-rounder Chris Cairns has been removed from IPL auction list because of the match-fixing slur against his name during his stint with the rebel Indian Cricket League.
Cairns’ name featured in the original list for the January 19 auction but Indian Premier League commissioner Lalit Modi said the Kiwi’s name was removed because of the match-fixing taint.
The match-fixing allegation against Cairns surfaced when the Kiwi, along with former India batsman Dinesh Mongia, were suspended by ICL authorities on “disciplinary grounds” in 2008. ”
Hansie was a cheat but he manned up and paid for it in blood… Not like those named but cowardly antipodeans who did not…
Carry on… I enjoy exposing Kiwi duplicity – I know you little tokoloshes too well…
1 Aug 2010, 17:57 pm
Hey HG,
Just one question you may be able to answer for me while you’re living past glories….
Given that SA scraped through close games against Tonga and Fiji in the 2007 RWC, how do you think they would have gone if they actually had had to play 3 of the top 5 ranked nations ie, New Zealand, Australia, & France). Would the result have been the same?
1 Aug 2010, 18:01 pm
the closed ‘FAT BOYS CLUB’ has more chance of fixing itself than a field mouse up against a bloody Siamese Cat.
No….sometimes a cancer can be treated, sometimes it must be cut out.
This cancer has 4 main tentacles, cut them out the scene, and re invent.
Still 13/ 14 months to go.
Its not terminal ….yet.
But the op must be done….
1 Aug 2010, 18:02 pm
@grant10(grant10)-540: sorry….meant to say a crippled, 1 legged field mouse….yes HG, i am making up this kak as i go along.
1 Aug 2010, 18:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-538:
I presume you have your bed up on bricks so that the Tokoloshe can’t get to you during the night?
A little more research would have shown that Chris Cairns has sued Lalit Modi for libel, and that Cricinfo has already settled damages out-of-court over those remarks…
Perhaps you’d better add another round of bricks onto the stack already there
1 Aug 2010, 18:09 pm
HG is a bit of a crazy ,insane mad hatter on crack cocaine.
But he aint no fool…..imo…..and with each and every loss he will slowly come around to the notion that one actually needs your best 22 on the field….and that the Fat Boy himself is long past his sell by date.
Mythical leader losing tests and playing the worst of the lot….even HG must see this….eventually.
Outta here.
1 Aug 2010, 18:12 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-539: Um, lets look at that WC, the second one that the Boks have won. They have played 4 WCs, won 2, and 3rd once.
In 2007 they beat England, who beat Aus and France, who in turn beat the AB’s… Thats it, Boks were deserved World Champs… Tough bitterwaynebarnes obsessed kiwi
1 Aug 2010, 18:13 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-539: surely that world cup demonstrated better than another other that rankings are irrelevant.
Fiji beat Wales, France beat NZ, Argentina beat France, England beat Australia, Argentina beat Ireland, England beat France. The latter sides were all higher ranked than the victors.
In light of all that, what exactly are rankings are worth? (rhetorical question)
The problem is too many people had their minds made before the World Cup how the results would (or should) go, they didn’t factor in that rugby is played on the pitch by real players showing pride and skill, not worked out through bogus mathematical equations.
1 Aug 2010, 18:20 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-542: Innocent until proven guilty hey. Yup Hansie stood up and accepted responsibility for the crookedness of the cricketing world containing many shameful, deceitful antipodeans who ran for the shadows and then turn up with their precious self-righteous moralising – typical… Consider yourself privileged – I gave you one example. I could give you many more examples of antipodean “morality”…
Yup, Kiwi tokoloshes…. The name suits little Kiwis just perfectly. A nice little essay explaining why a Kiwi is a tokoloshe will appear on Keo soon…
1 Aug 2010, 18:27 pm
@grant10(grant10)-540: Give me the “Fat Boys Club” along with associated Old Age Pensioners than the treacherous Puking Rat (Prat) Club along with its flipflopping yellowbelly stormersader cheerleaders in blue and white streeptrui speedos anyday…
1 Aug 2010, 18:32 pm
So guys, if you’re having a punt with your own hard-earned, do you back “Form” (ie, “rankings”), or go by the sound of the horse’s name, or the jockey’s colours???
If you were to put 10,000 (of your money) on the result of the game at Soccer City between the Boks and the AB’s, a game that is to be played on the pitch by real players showing pride and skill, who would you back? The Bokke – because they are the “World Champions” because they won a tournament 3 years ago, or the AB’s??
It will be interesting to see what the Bookies say – when the odds are set.
1 Aug 2010, 18:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-540: Ahh, a siamese cat loving, speedo wearing, dolphin watching, mid-life crisis enduring, pale hue liberator, liberal hippy Capetonian – I have solved you…
1 Aug 2010, 18:38 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-548: Kiwi Bookies had the Boks as favourites pre 3N. Funny that, an islander mentioning “doing a Hansie” and then talking about bookies and odds all in a few post – again, exposure of the peculiar duplicitous moralistic rather precious finger pointing common to antipodeans…
I can tell you where you can place 10000 guaranteed – on the ABs not to win the WC 2011…
1 Aug 2010, 18:43 pm
SARU: War declared on SA
1 minutes ago
Rudolph Lake and Henry Cloete
Johannesburg and Cape Town – The
SANZAR hearing of Springbok coach Peter
de Villiers is a “declaration of war by
Australia and New Zealand against South
Africa ”.
That is the view of South African rugby
bosses, who are rallying behind the
beleaguered coach. They have questioned
the Aussies and Kiwis ’ motives.
“We are right behind Peter and will defend
him to the hilt,” said SARU president Oregan
Hoskins.
Hoskins confirmed that De Villiers had
promised in an “informal discussion” in
which he and his assistant coaches had to
report back about the Springboks ’ pathetic
Tri-Nations campaign that he would not
make anymore controversial remarks
about referees.
De Villiers will shortly have to appear in a
SANZAR hearing about comments made on
Australian television after the Boks ’ two
recent defeats against the All Blacks.
Meanwhile, former Springbok team
psychologist Henning Gericke has said that
there are strong indications that all is not
well in the camp of the current Bok squad.
Gericke worked on the World Cup-winning
management team of 2007.
The leaders in the team are possibly too
soft on one another and the players in the
squad, he suggested. The balance of power
may have swung to the players.
That can be among the explanations for
South Africa ’s poor performances in this
year’s Tri-Nations. The team’s poor
discipline, in particular, points to problems.
“Does that mean the players have too much
freedom? They will have to be tough on
one another. John Smit is a great leader, but
he will have to step up. He ’s not standing
out at the moment. If you’re not there
psychologically, you will get results like
these, ” said Gericke.
“What Peter did really well was to empower
the players. But it’s a very fine line … Only
the squad will know, but it’s quite possible
that the balance swung too much to the
players. Peter will have to show mental
toughness and address the issue. ”
He believes the fact that De Villiers is
hammering on refereeing errors shows
that the focus of the team is not on the
right areas.
De Villiers had to explain his selections and
game plan to the country ’s rugby bosses
on Thursday.
Rapport’s sources indicate that his assistant
coaches – **** Muir and Gary Gold – were
facing possible dismissal.
However, rugby bosses denied that De
Villiers had shifted the blame to his
assistant coaches.
Reliable sources indicated that De Villiers
had admitted that he, as well as Muir and
Gold, had made mistakes.
He asked to be able to speak to them to
“ iron out small problems” before sackings
are considered.
The rugby bosses agreed and afterwards
expressed their satisfaction about a
“ straight, honest and fruitful” chat.
De Villiers and the Boks are facing an
official assessment by SARU ’s technical
committee this week.
Sport24 understands that Golden Lions
president Kevin de Klerk will be used to
head up the assessment.
1 Aug 2010, 18:46 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-546:
It’s pretty late where I am HG, and I will have to retire for the evening, but before I go, I’ll give you a hand starting your essay if you like.
“Once upon a time, there was dwarf-like zombie called Heavens Gate. Known in his home country as “Tokoloshe”, Heavens Gate was considered by most to be a mischievous and evil spirit. His postings on the Keo rugby blog site certainly served to confirm peoples’ suspicions in this direction.
Heavens Gate is not often sighted out in the real world, preferring to spend most of its time in the “bloggo-sphere” However, reports from the odd sighting suggest that HG looks like a very nasty looking teddy-bear in appearance, in that its head is like that of a teddy-bear, but it has got a thick, sharp, bony ridge on top of its head. While Tokoloshes have a hole in their head, Heavens Gate speaks out of the hole at the other end of his body…..”.
Now, that should give you a start – I’ll check tomorrow to see how you’ve got on completing your essay.
1 Aug 2010, 18:48 pm
Someone needs serious medication. Seriously.
1 Aug 2010, 18:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-551: whew!
Some radical stuff that…
1 Aug 2010, 18:59 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-551:
I posted something similar to Gericke’s thoughts yesterday. The tail is wagging the dog.
1 Aug 2010, 19:01 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-551: Even more embarrassment from these guys. What is it, is this the way these guys deal with failure? Arrogance and Ignorance combined with these two.
1 Aug 2010, 19:17 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-552: Night, night my little kiwi tokoloshe – happy hunting…
1 Aug 2010, 19:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-551: Well done to SARU – they have finally grown some balls.
Tricky dicky will be getting his DCM soon…
Gerricke is just speculating, like the rest of you yellowbellies. Many psychologist quacks are nothing more than charlatins – Gerricke is not one of the best, no matter how many books he has written with Naas.
Sounds to me he is getting bitter with his superfluous-to-requirements-status in the Bok camp.
He is beating from the same drum as JW and its unedifying…
1 Aug 2010, 19:24 pm
charlatains
1 Aug 2010, 19:25 pm
fark, charlatans
1 Aug 2010, 19:27 pm
This is brewing into a hectic standoff…..
Northern Hemisphere here we come?
And not a moment too soon imo.
Take the Argies with us….
1 Aug 2010, 19:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-561: Thats more like it. Growing some gonads and not flip-flopping at last…?
1 Aug 2010, 19:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-562: I have never been in favour of Sanzar…..never mate.
By the way….Matfield started on his book today.
1 Aug 2010, 19:52 pm
@grant10(grant10)-563: the travel…..the proximity of our 2 members…..
No….its stale….the dices are too loaded….it was never a win….win….win…
imo.
Nothing against the aussies and kiwis…..and its nothing to do with losses, etc…..
I have said many times i felt we wre far more suited to engage with the North.
There was talk of the Magners league at a stage.
If this goes pear shaped we need an option B…
1 Aug 2010, 19:53 pm
People tend to forget the repeated administrative and organisational shagging SA has recieved from the rugby administrators of the antipodean kissing cousins for many a year… Last years success with the Boks and the previous few years success with the S14 has blinded Saffers to this state of affairs.
At last SARU has stood up and said enough! This is triggered by nascent and quite frankly racist Kiwi/Aussi generalisation and insults about the Bok coach…
This gives an entry point for SA diplomatic intervention… Aussie and Kiwi administrators will be screwed here, just in time for next year…
kiwi/aussie rugby administrators to be caught from all angles -
- financial (last resort – Boks can withdraw)
- racist (welcome to political machinations, SA/Africa style)
- diplomatic
- on the field (neutral turf with refs familiar with the “new laws”, not paddies in a pocket)
The big 2 fingered up yours farkoff can be justified and be made to work if continual crude unfairness is perpuated by duplicitous antipodeans as it has for years in the 3N and S14…
Time for SA to help develop nearby African countries, play them, and possibly link in with the Argies, USA and Canada…
Antipodeans can link in with Japan… The Boks can then play them in WCs or tours… Its worked in the past and will work again.
At least the CC will be saved – with the S15 (Aussies benefit), the CC will be slowly destroyed. This is the true backbone of SA’s strength.
There will be many other benefits to breaking this “partnership” with backstabbing antipodeans, one just has to look further down the line…
1 Aug 2010, 19:54 pm
this is actually turning into a huge showdown
again….
too much blood in the water….move on i say.
Now things to do.
Cheers HG
outta here
1 Aug 2010, 19:55 pm
@grant10(grant10)-564: Yup , can only agree. was writing my post before seeing yours. Am a bit more radical it seems
1 Aug 2010, 19:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-565: i agree with the breakaway idea….always have….but lets look North and take Argies along.
I share the concerns about the 2 x kissing couins…always have.
Not bitter, just seen and heard enough to make me realise a very long time ago we will always be the stepsister…..
Farkem…we go North.
Cheers
1 Aug 2010, 19:59 pm
@grant10(grant10)-566: Cheers. A juicy week ahead in the world of rugby (and on Keo)
1 Aug 2010, 20:03 pm
@grant10(grant10)-568: “just seen and heard enough to make me realise a very long time ago we will always be the stepsister”, now that is the quote of the month…
Kissing cuzzies and a stepsister don’t work – three’s a crowd…
1 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
Unfortunately, I doubt whether any other union would be as profitable as the current SANZAR one.
1 Aug 2010, 20:14 pm
@grant10(grant10)-554: i guess even Gericke is a Smit hater because he is singling Smit out to be not particularly shining…
1 Aug 2010, 20:23 pm
3N has always been a Lose, Win, Win for SA NZ Aus
S15 is now a Lose, Win, Win more for SA NZ Aus respectively…
And now the latent, goading disrespect from the antipodean administrators, commentators, players and many supporters…
It will be great to say farkoff like. Its similar to the first time you resign from a shytejob / organisation or divorce from a partner, – it can be a bit worrying, but after you have done it – a big relief and gladness at turning your back on something not good for you…
South Africa was isolated for the right reasons in the past, this initial self-imposed isolation would be for the right reasons and SA will come out stronger with greater self-respect and better external admiration for putting self-serving antipodeans in their place.
Not sure North would want the Boks – 7N is not right. 6N has great heritage that SA just would not fit with…
SA + Argies will be good especially with much past connections and history. A couple of other nations would be brilliant – imagine linking in with the USA on an upward growth with rugger especially considering Hollywood exposure and Olympic 7′s rugby growth driver…SA could also gear up with more tours instead of 3N
Self-imposed scarcity will make the Bok more valuable not devalue it with overexposure as at present and the ridiculous overplaying of the top boks in devious tournaments with underhanded antipodeans…
1 Aug 2010, 20:24 pm
@David(David)-571: I can bet you England and France Rugby Unions are more profitable than all three put together…
1 Aug 2010, 20:32 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-572: Wishy-washy. You don’t even know what you believe
1 Aug 2010, 20:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-573: won’t be S15 for too much longer either…
some other team is gonna want in… and it’s gonna be a super 15… really stupid plan. Why fix what isn’t broken
1 Aug 2010, 20:34 pm
I think you guys are over-reacting. Again. I didn’t expect anything less than this result(SARU). And Gericke is correct in his assessment IMO, because the captain does have to step up and take responsibility. As Brendon Venter wisely opined in his piece on the ST Sports pages today; had Richie been pinged early, as he should have, for his multiple transgressions at the breakdown, things could have been very different. Now Venter’s opinion has to be taken seriously because he has proven to be rather successful as a coach/manager in recent times don’t you think?
1 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-577: I’ve been mia, what have I missed?
1 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-575: and you know that about me how? Hahaha
what a wa,nker!
1 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-574:
I meant that our cut of the TV proceeds from joining the European comp, or any other, would be less than with SANZAR. The SANZAR deal includes the 3N and S15 and I doubt whether an SA presence in the 6/7 Nations and Heineken Cup would increase the viewership to the same extent to warrent the same income.
1 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
@David(David)-555: David Walsh, Chief Sporst Writer of the Sunday Times writes a very good piece in this weeks edition.
“South Africa have been more unimpressive in losing their opening three,so much so that the ageing Springbok team are being written off because the presumption is that they will be even worse by next year.Naive and dangerous thinking, that.The current Springbok team have been without their injured talisman Fourie du Preez, and without him they are not the same team.They have also been without Bismarck du Plessis,Juan Smith,Heinrich Brussow, Francoise Steyn and the suspended Bakkies Botha.Put those guys back in the side and see the difference.Check out the Springbok record in 2006.It was dismal.A year later they were the world champions.Like Mark Twain’s death, the demise of this team has been greatly exaggerated
1 Aug 2010, 20:42 pm
SOmebody fill me on
I’m soooooooo confused
1 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
and to complete my take on this, I don’t think we should merely throw our toys and ditch the Tri-Nations. That’s in nobody’s interest. I do think it’s time we made a stand and advised the Kiwis and Oz that it takes two to tango and the officiating needs to be seen to be balanced in future. Currently it doesn’t seem that way, even to a neutral.
1 Aug 2010, 20:45 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-578: evening young lady. This SANZAR thing is coming to a head. Coach. Match officiating. PdV. Insult. Censure. The shopping list gets quite extensive. Some are getting quite p.i.s.s.e.d. off it seems.
1 Aug 2010, 20:46 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-576: Yup you have the super 16 right – another “Aussie” team. The S12 was broken. The S14 came closer to fairness and a prime factor was that cross-timezone travel gained some parity with the extra SA team. ANZACS had to play relatively more games across the indian ocean and SA teams had to play relatively less… There is more than a coincidence that those SA teams with favourable draws either made the final or won the competition.
I am willing to guess that if someone did a stats analysis of all S14 and 3N games played – travel effects will be a major contributing factor to success for SA teams…
We already know a home game is worth around 8 points advantage…
1 Aug 2010, 20:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-579: I see it in your posts – flip this way, flop that way… No steel fibre in your type…
1 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
I hope PdV has all the video evidence on hand and throws it into the half breeds faces
Kiwis are known to cheat and to get away with it
Remember when they selected a boxer to “sort” out our front row, or when they had a player lob out of a line out to get a penalty against Wales
Or the spear tackles on BOD and on John Smit
1 Aug 2010, 20:53 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-586: hahaha, i haven’t even posted anything meaningful about this issue and already you’re passing judgement
why am i not suprised… Go take your meds ol’ codger!
1 Aug 2010, 20:53 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-584: aaahhh what did P Divvy do now?
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-585: imho we should have like a currie cup type of thing, with a premier and first division… maybe then the Lions can win something!
1 Aug 2010, 20:53 pm
@JL1(JL1)-581: and a good evening to you JL. What do these City journo plonkers know about the SH game? Squat. Would love to see a current Bok team rip his beloved England apart on a visit to SA right now. I’d imagine the result wouldn’t be too dis-similiar playing at the Home of Rugby either. How many teams tour NZ(and Brisbane) and come out with the spoils. Haven’t been too many in my lifetime unless Alzheimers kicked in early.
1 Aug 2010, 20:57 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-590: Yep they would like to beat SA but I thought his view is very balanced
He refers to the ABs and their choking habits over the last 5 tournaments
Boks are not as deep a mess as many years ago.Poor selections and poor assistant coaches seems to be the real issue and a string of injuries
I am gatvol of these Kiwis though
1 Aug 2010, 20:59 pm
@David(David)-580: I don’t advocate joining 6N.
Instead
1. More tours with greater length (France, Wales, England would welcome that – esp games against top clubs midweek)
2. Regular play with Argies and USA
3. Scarcity will make the Boks more valuable…
Just a miniscule share of USA tv sports exposure will be more profitable and beneficial in the long run than SANZAR…
Laugh about the USA – 7′s Olympics will result in a much greater exposure there and growth in rugby in N America. SA could be an “early adopter” and get in there first with the yanks…
S15 will lead to the demise of the CC as we know it – all for Aus’s benefit… Think, man!
SA Rugby just needs to look a bit further down the line and stand on its own significant feet without the kissing cousins…
1 Aug 2010, 21:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-588: When do you post anything meaningful of your own, quoter poster…
1 Aug 2010, 21:02 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-589: Lol
1 Aug 2010, 21:02 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-589: effectively the SARU have thrown down the gauntlet to the powers across the ditch possibly giving them the two finger, depending on which way you interpret it. Refereeing plays a big role and I support that but they are supporting the coach, which is admirable but he did behave like the idiot he sometimes is. But personally, I tired of the SANZAR holier than thou arrogance in how they deal with the genuine issues sometimes raised. But the S15 and Tri-Nations is the best sporting competition in the world and it would be idiotic to chuck the baby…..
1 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
Outtahere… Banshee is putting her foot down…
1 Aug 2010, 21:05 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-595: Tassies how fair is the draw to the Boks, just imagine if they had to play another test say in Namibia and two in SA (Bloem and JHB)
1 Aug 2010, 21:05 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-595: oh so people are still claiming we were robbed by the ref?
1 Aug 2010, 21:05 pm
evening all
@JL1(JL1)-581:
exactly right, throw those 5 back in the mix not to mention francois hougaard and JP Pietersen and Bokke will kick some gat.
i just wonder if bismarck going to be the same rampaging unit, many players not the same after a serious injury.
1 Aug 2010, 21:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-596: cheers
1 Aug 2010, 21:07 pm
@JL1(JL1)-591: didn’t read the article obviously but biased opinion raises the hackles naturally. Agree on selections and assistants. Said so many times on this forum. Best wake up call we needed; getting zapped on this particular tour. Nice timing.
1 Aug 2010, 21:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-573: ‘Not sure North would want the Boks – 7N is not right. 6N has great heritage that SA just would not fit with…’
If it makes money, it makes sense. There is actually space for one more side in the 6N calendar.
It’s an interesting dynamic financially, if SA rugby were to head North, that would surely be the death knell for rugby in Australia and would likely be very damaging for NZ rugby too.
1 Aug 2010, 21:15 pm
@JL1(JL1)-597: well for a start, this one wasn’t great but that’s how it is. But to expect us to cruise over there and win two out of three like some mamparas did, was just plain crazy. Last time we playing in Brisbane we were nailed. Suddenly we must now win the damn thing. Some people don’t get the conditions I think. How many times do Oz tour the Republic and come away with a win? You only need one hand to accommodate about a hundred years.
1 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-603: True, we are Bok supporters and we are very demanding, more than my wife being demanding with me
1 Aug 2010, 21:20 pm
They need to pick Alberts for \eoy grandslam
This team will klap allcomers, sommer ABs included.
1. Guthro 2. Bismarck 3. BJ 4. Bakkies 5. Bekker 6. Brussow 7. Alberts 8. Burger 9. Hougaard 10. Morne 11. Habana 12. JdJ 13. JF 14. JP/Mapoe 15. Frans
16. Beasty 17. Smitty 18. CJ 19. Matfield 20. Rossouw 21. Ruan 22. JdV
1 Aug 2010, 21:23 pm
i see old cap’n fanny was in and out over the wend, never see him the entire year, the abs win a few and the feathers are splayed, the man is fast.
1 Aug 2010, 21:35 pm
@cab(cab)-605: Not so sure about Schalla and you need Danie on those pitches
1 Aug 2010, 21:35 pm
@cab(cab)-605:
We’ve had this conversation before. I think about a year ago I reckoned Alberts could take over Danies role, which was filled by AJ before him. A guy who could cover 7/8 and 4 on the bench is invaluable. Personally, I really miss Ernst Joubert to play 7 or 8.
1 Aug 2010, 21:37 pm
@cab(cab)-606: naand Cabbie. You appear to be a regular here these days. Wife boot you out then?
1 Aug 2010, 21:39 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-609:
I don’t think Cabs married.
1 Aug 2010, 21:40 pm
@JL1(JL1)-604: nothing is more demanding than my vrou. That’s why I developed a deaf spot early. But yes, I suppose we are a tad demanding. And that wont change anytime time soon.
1 Aug 2010, 21:41 pm
What about Juan Smith?
1 Aug 2010, 21:43 pm
Australia’s Future Looks Black
GREG GROWDEN
August 2, 2010
The All Blacks perform the haka before the
Bledisloe opener. Photo: Getty Images
SENIOR All Blacks players are relishing the
chance to bury the Wallabies in Christchurch
on Saturday night to ensure they retain the
Bledisloe Cup for an eighth straight year
and reclaim the Tri Nations trophy from the
Springboks.
Both contests will be all but over if the All
Blacks can repeat the form that crushed the
Wallabies in Melbourne on Saturday night in
next weekend’s Test at AMI Stadium.
And it was patently clear among the All
Blacks’ key players that they aren’t about to
give Robbie Deans a happy homecoming on
his first official visit to his home city as
Wallabies coach. They intend to take full
advantage of the physical and
psychological scars inflicted on the visitors
by their comprehensive Etihad Stadium
victory.
Although the Wallabies yesterday tried to
gain mileage out of the fact they constantly
threatened the All Blacks in the second half,
the brutal fact was the Test was long gone
by then. Even the All Blacks were miffed by
how they dropped their standards in the
final half-hour and vowed it would not
happen again, especially in Christchurch.
Fullback Mils Muliaina, who scored two of
the seven All Blacks tries, said the players
believed the Wallabies were ”on the ropes”.
”Definitely the way we played tonight,
we’ve got that edge now,” Muliaina said.
”We take some confidence from tonight,
but we know after seeing how they played
with 14 men, that they can come back and
attack from the fringes. But any day you
score seven tries against the Wallabies, you
have to be pleased with that. And looking at
next week, it’s nice to know that we still
have a little more we can give. We didn’t get
the execution right in certain things, but
hopefully next week we have a big
opportunity to get that right.”
All Blacks second-rower Brad Thorn, a close
friend of Deans through their years
together at Canterbury, said he could
sympathise with his colleague’s plight but
added he would not become conciliatory or
drop his standards.
”For us, there’s a trophy we really love and
if we can get that win next weekend, the
Bledisloe Cup is ours for another year,”
Thorn said.
”And going back home playing
in front of our people will be cool. I know
it’s tough for Robbie. What stands out for
me about Robbie is his competitiveness,
and I know that the current situation will be
very hard for him.
”I’m really pleased for us, but you do feel
for him because he is an old friend. It’s just
one of those things … just tough times. I’m
sure he will be disappointed, but I don’t
think the Wallabies are too far off. They had
a really big game last week against the
Springboks and perhaps they were a little
bit flat after that. I know they’ll be trying to
regroup.”
All Blacks hooker Keven Mealamu
emphasised the importance of delighting
the home fans. ”It is really exciting to be
playing for the cup at home. We have a
proud record there and want to keep
improving on that. If we can win it next
week, that would be awesome,” Mealamu
said. ”We came into a Tri Nations well
prepared and are just looking to improve.
We were quite disappointed with how we
started last year and this year we wanted to
change that. It’s a fun game to play at the
moment …. The tempo of the game is fast
and we’re in pretty good shape to handle
that.”
1 Aug 2010, 21:43 pm
@David(David)-610: well at least he can concentrate on his rugga then, without the interference some of us are forced to put up with. My wife sometimes claims I live for nothing else. I have no response.
1 Aug 2010, 21:47 pm
okay, outta here guys. Pit’s calling. Cheers.
1 Aug 2010, 21:48 pm
@JL1(JL1)-612:
Juan should be Ok up till WC 2011, but we need some backup. There’s been far too much hysteria about our losses considering the injuries. What is concerning for me though, is that we haven’t been able, or prepared, to change our approach to accomodate the situation. Playing a kick and chase game without FdPs accuracy is naive.
1 Aug 2010, 21:51 pm
@David(David)-610: Married to rugby maybe
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-611: Yes, the coach has lend his ears out to many and D ick has done nothing with our back line in 2 years, Gold has hardly build on the forwards
I reckon we need a Dingo Deans, we can call him Kudu Deans and make him our own
1 Aug 2010, 21:57 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-614:
I’ve a similar problem, although my wife’s overseas for a couple of weeks.
1 Aug 2010, 21:58 pm
@David(David)-616: I think the players played instinctively or the idiots in charge thought that the new players could execute the same game plan
1 Aug 2010, 21:59 pm
sorry had to duck out, catch up later tassies.
yip JL1 you may be right on Danie, he is bladdy good on those pitches. David, Ernst \joubert is good, but i just dont think he has the size for 7, tho he seems to have just had an outstanding season in the english rugby league.
1 Aug 2010, 21:59 pm
@JL1(JL1)-617:
Gold has spent too much time coaching in the NH, I reckon. After watching the Lions youngsters last night, I’d go for Mitchell and Carlos for the backs.
1 Aug 2010, 22:05 pm
@David(David)-621: Is Mitchell for sale?
I think our players respond well SA head coach and external assistants
1 Aug 2010, 22:06 pm
@cab(cab)-620:
Ernst Joubert
Height: 6ft 4in (1.93m)
Weight: 16st (102kg).
I reckon he’s perfect for the Boks at 8 or 7, apart from the fact that he’s a very intelligent player. He was a major loss for the Lions and SA rugby.
1 Aug 2010, 22:07 pm
@David(David)-621: What will Heineke bring to the table that is different?
1 Aug 2010, 22:08 pm
Love the way this Heavens Shame character rips into everyone telling them they got no willpower of their own and just then Banshee hollers out at him and says ‘Jump’ and poor little Tokoloshe says ‘How High’.
1 Aug 2010, 22:09 pm
@JL1(JL1)-622:
I doubt it, although a Bok assistant job might be more attractive than the Force one, especially now that he’s experienced rugby in SA.
1 Aug 2010, 22:11 pm
@cab(cab)-620: When you play Spies, you need two grafters at 6 and 7 and you need a hooker that is a fetched, then Spies will be unstoppable
1 Aug 2010, 22:12 pm
SA coaches have no clue – plural.
Not a one of them got a clue about squat including that overrated hump of self righteousness – you know who
Aussies and Kiwis use the top two inches while we reverberate around behemoths that got sweet f’all gray matter anywhere and less between their legs.
1 Aug 2010, 22:14 pm
@David(David)-626: He will like that as he will never coach the ABs again
1 Aug 2010, 22:15 pm
@JL1(JL1)-624:
I’ve got no idea. I think his popularity is more emotional than rational. In my opinion, we need someone to bring new ideas to the team, not just have the respect of the senior players. PdeV could do that if he was prepared to take on the senior players and establish his authority.
@skopskiet(yliad)-625:
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if she knows he calls her the Banshee? My bet is that he’s too much of a coward.
1 Aug 2010, 22:16 pm
Ernst Joubert was highly underrated, here we go with fancy pants show ponies like Spies and Kankowski and let all our real hard men like Joubert, Sowerby, JVN etc go ply their trade over there. Joubert was the backbone of the Lions back row and entire pack after Wickus skipped the Jukskei, and they didn’t even recognize it till he was gone, now the Pom’s lapping up his strengths and aggression while we play poeftas like our 2 Flash Gordon’s offering bugger all grit and a whole host of empty promises instead.
1 Aug 2010, 22:19 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-628: Aussies? They use a Kiwi coach and has had nothing to shout about on a rugby field for a long time
Who is Banshee?
1 Aug 2010, 22:24 pm
@David(David)-630: Yes, you are right, surely he is the kind of guy that you need to start and build from scratch.Structures, talent identification and coach development etc etc, but to take the Boks to the next level after Jake White?No way?He will not have brought something different to the table at all
1 Aug 2010, 22:25 pm
@JL1(JL1)-629:
I don’t know if you read my post on the Bulls/Lions thread about Mitchell and offloading as a basic skill. My main point was that we concentrate on our imagined strengths instead of strengthening our weaknesses. When Danie Gerber states that he couldn’t play under the current game plans, it tends to make a mockery of Jakes statements that he wanted to return the Boks to their traditional game.
1 Aug 2010, 22:28 pm
Tell me JL how come your mate the invincible all conquering flip flop fool of a coach who could only muster a 44% success rate in this same competition and still sports the biggest hiding of any SA coach ever went and sucked up to an Aussie coach and not a Kiwi, while he also had his 2 saffa coaches in tow, Smal and Coetsee they could not see nor smell nor feel anything like success whatsoever.
Till he got his Aussie savior on board those 3 stooges couldn’t buy a win against decent opposition for toffee apples, the last 2 years of their 3N record explains it clear as daylight.
So Aussie coaches like Kiss, Louden, Campese, and Jones are actually the guys who put saffa rugby back on the map, leave it up to these idiots we got here and there’s only one direction known, and that is due South.
BTW it was self same E. Jones who taught John Mitchell a thing or two at WC 2003, AB’s were looking good till they came up against Jones and his lightweights, and it took a Wilkinson droppie to put the last nail in the coffin.
JW was a goner sans EJ and he knew it, if were left to White, Smal and Coetsee, I reckon we probably would have been bundled out by Fiji.
1 Aug 2010, 22:30 pm
@David(David)-634: I agree, seen it many times that the game has moved on and evolved.The game is going in circles at the moment and law changes every year has made the circles/cycles shorter
1 Aug 2010, 22:37 pm
I say the dichotomous situation arises with Smit and Gold, my instincts tell me its Gold pulling skeef and rallying behind Smits concervitive penchant around a slow JW style game plan while Matfield and De Villiers and Muir prefer to go the expansive attack mode route.
If we would have ditched the kick n chase fools paradise over a year ago we might have fared better on Eoyt and been far more prepared for the £N.
PdV’s fault has been his consensus type management where he don’t wanna rock the boat and Gerricke might not be too far off saying players have far too much control over proceedings.
I reckon players like Smit backed by Gold pulled a revolt after we lost a few games narrowly in 2008 and set the momentum into reverse relying on old hat JW style play without the ball up n under game plans which fluked us a no contest WC win.
The right approach would have been to forge forward with a new set of principles and forced the game to the opposition, instead we went in exactly the opposite direction.
Problem areas in 08 were the inability to switch fly halves and game style, by going back to Butch and FdP we and playing 3 ball carriers at loose forward we lost the momentum going forward.
Now we have to reinvent the attacking game wheel and chuck Smit out with the bathwater, he simply don’t have the knowledge nor the capacity for the modern game, and wonder whether Matfield has it either.
1 Aug 2010, 22:38 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-635:
Don’t underestimate Mitchell. He’s brought a focus on skills to the Lions that the Kiwis take as given. EJ is a different, more cerebral coach, who concentrates on tactics and strategic game plans. Both are superb in what they do.
1 Aug 2010, 22:38 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-635: Skop
I was there against Fidji, not a hope that we were gonna lose that one, maybe I looked different on TV
yes those coaches have all contributed to a lesser or larger degree.KIss went downhill and Louden was also limited
Jake did better than the previous jokers and help getting SA back on track, he was by no means perfect but was very good at talent spotting and playing them when the time is right
He was also clever enough to get help, PdV needs to that very soon, like in yesterday
1 Aug 2010, 22:42 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-637: That play style is dependant on a flyhalf, find a proper one for me in SA
Please do not mention Peter Grant
1 Aug 2010, 22:45 pm
@David(David)-638: What the Aussie coaches do better than us is press conferences, sound bites and quotes a week before the test matches to get refs on their side
1 Aug 2010, 22:46 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-635: if luke watson was the reason that south africa played kak in the tri-nations 2008 as john smit told the whole world in his book, who do you think is going to take the can this year, since luke is busy being considered for Bath Rugby captaincy?
1 Aug 2010, 22:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-642: And with that BS I am outta here
1 Aug 2010, 22:51 pm
It was Kiss and Louden and campese that actually developed the game at Bulls and Sharks which White fed off, it was the platform laid by Louden and Campese that brought us our first S14 win in 07 and ed to the strong patterns for the national team to develop around.
Jones put the cherry on top and remember well how after a couple weeks of Jones’ influence the Bok’s looked like a complete different team where before they were directionless after Jones input they suddenly started seeing some light shining through. Even all the players commented as much.
De Villiers has lost the spark that ignited the flame, he’s going to have to get it back pronto, by relying on Smit and Gold to set the patterns they have stagnated in 2007 style rugby while Aussie and NZ especially have found new direction. If Smit cannot instill any improvement and motivation towards a complete rugby style then he must go and somebody who can step up to the requirements of the modern game will have to step in, dunno if Matfield can do it but somebody must.
Watson would have been the natural progression forward but we all know how JW’s ideological foppery’s stuffed up that possibility and De Villiers fell fowl of the political shenanigans too.
1 Aug 2010, 22:55 pm
@JL1(JL1)-636:
You’re quite right about the game going in circles and it evolving. My worry is that the senior Bok players are forcing PdeV into adopting a game plan that suits their comfort zone. I’m not advocating what Keo and others call a “helter skelter” approach, but just the adoption of skills that can be applied as the situation develops. Rugby is a game of going forward with the ball in hand, or hands. Until we adopt all the variations and skills that make that possible we’ll never dominate world rugby.
1 Aug 2010, 23:00 pm
Yeah David I have plenty respect for what Mitchell can bring to the party I think Lions getting Mitchell is the very best thing they could do, expect big strides forward with him at the coaching helm but won’t be easy with limited player resources.
Peter Grant would have brought a complete new dynamic to a stale staid approach, even sticking with Pienaar would have, instead we went back to Naas Botha style rugby with Morne Steyn, wrong move, backward cycle regression and so we get stuck back inside the ossewa kraal.
Fly Halves to get ready for the new game plan are JL Potgieterm far more front foot style No.10 than Steyn who is willing to test the advantage line, something Grant would have done consistently. If we’d played Grant in 08 and Van Niekerk or Watson instead of Spies we would have won 08 tri nations and we’d never have looked back.
Instead Gold and Smit chickened out and the rest is history.
1 Aug 2010, 23:19 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-646:
I agree about JLP, although I reckon he’d make a better 12 in a future line up. I also agree with your comments a few weeks ago that Steyn would benefit without FdPs presence to dominate him, although he hasn’t stepped up to the plate. Grant, I feel, is a journeyman S14 player. Our problem is that we don’t allow young 10s the ability to develop their specific talents.
Anyway. it’s time for bed. Cheers and goodnight guys.
1 Aug 2010, 23:27 pm
night David go well
1 Aug 2010, 23:30 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-648:
Night Skop. Go well too.
1 Aug 2010, 23:32 pm
Jakey was a great coach and he dud something very unique for an sa coach which is to build a core group of players.
What he really did was get the noks to start doing the basics right when they were all at sea he took them back to a strong pack and solid defdense, but most of all he have them confidence.
That consistency and confidence filtered down into the blue bulls and sharks who went onto dominate the s14 which was def a first fir sa sides.
Catch a wake up ou doosie
1 Aug 2010, 23:44 pm
other way around Louden and Campese developed Bulls and Sharks, which national coach fed off, even then he could not win 3N while he was losing 49-0 the franchises were winning the S14
lost more than he won at all competitions, 44% success in 3N and 50% on eoyt’s
So where all this consistency and confidence took him to it was all losing and losses till EJ and the Argy-England cake walk WC came around.
White did not develop the core group of players, they were all there before, Smit, Botha, Matfield, Smith even Burger, Van Niekerk, Os, BJ and CJ, JdV and Percy were there before Jake came around.
He improved on Streauli but not by much, Streauli lost 53-3 and Jake 49-0 almost one as good as the other.
1 Aug 2010, 23:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-551: SARU: War declared on SA
Wow!!! The wagons are circling big time now. I wonder if the people that make these comments ever stop to think about how silly they look to the world outside SA? I guess their main focus is to stir up local public opinion and move the focus away from on field dissapointments, but this on top of PdV’s declaration that the refs and IRB are ‘cheats’ must make a lot of SA supporters absolutely cringe.
The really scary thing is that even with it being obvious what they are really trying to achieve, it doesn’t mean that a portion of the supporters won’t buy into the conspiracy hysteria, and unfortunately we will probably see it appear on this blog.
Find some class SARU and sort out your public image. After that you might like to help PdV and the team get back the focus they need to play to their potential. This sort of rubbish will be a massive hinderance to the players mindset when they really need to be very focussed on their own recent poor performances. Giving them reasons to blame the world instead is just plain dumb! Don’t just blame the players if they come up short again this season.
1 Aug 2010, 23:54 pm
Haha u just can’t give him credit, u forgot plumtree too
jakey had a total win record of 66%, a world cup, a 3n and an unbeaten home test record – perhaps a handful of coaches on the last 30 years can claim that.
He not only developed them but importantly stuck with them through thick and thin, which very ever did or would do now. When the rwc came along every dingle I had been dotted and t crossed, never ever has a springbok team been that professionally prepared.
1 Aug 2010, 23:59 pm
@aliboy(aliboy)-652:
So what SARU is saying is that they support the stance that the referees may have been involved in a NZ-RWC and/or NZ-Aus conspiracy against SA ?
I blame the Oirish. That evil David McHugh started it all when he winked at Big Piet in the crowd before King Richie handed out some law enforcement, Judge Dredd-style. In 2010, the Oirish are all in on the act. The NZ-Aus conspiracy is merely a cover for the NZ-Ire conspiracy, launched over a few pints of Vitamin G and ended up in winning RWC-hosting rights for Piney and the boys. Cheers !
2 Aug 2010, 00:02 am
Insofar as professionalism is concerned, no-one in sa rugby has ever come close and no-one currently does either, problem with White is he is a coach, not a diplomat and he like krusty have a knack for riling up folk
Mitchell I think is a great coach, a very different attacking coach, but he not what the lions need IMO, he is more what the bold need to take them to the next level in his skill finishing skill but am hoping pdv can do that, the best coach for the lions right now would be jakey and not in that bullshite advisory role, rather in coaching role where his rep is staked to results, he will then bust a gut to get them right, but he now got the taste for the high life and seems a bit of a shitstorrer trying to usurp pdv. If that is the case he must fk right off, he of all ppl should know how it is after a few losses
2 Aug 2010, 00:16 am
Im surprised the Aussies havent alleged a NZ-SA conspiracy by now given that they (a) lost (b) the ref was a Safa clown and (c) had a player YCed (Mitchells 1st YC) when it shouldnt have been.
I just presumed that was the formula now:- Lost + Dodgy Ref x YCs = Conspiracy
Surely the Convicts will show their true colours. Wont they ? Id be embarrassed if they just Man’ed Up, instead, and took a loss on the chin. Like most people would.
2 Aug 2010, 00:20 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-592: The head of USA rugby is an ex-New Zealander.
2 Aug 2010, 00:20 am
This yellow cards are also killing the game, been saying so for about 2 years now, u get a player sent off early and it’s tickets, game is just too intense
2 Aug 2010, 00:26 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-656:
Dont be silly ! They’ll just go and take the p*ss instead……
“How the hell did that happen? Here is the real 10-point plan to beat those mongrel All Blacks
PETER FITZSIMONS
August 2, 2010
On Saturday, Peter FitzSimons fearlessly predicted the Wallabies would romp to victory over the All Blacks. Today, he clarifies his position.
Oh, come off it. One time in your life, one time in your life, you haven’t made a complete ******** of yourself by publicly proclaiming the Ten Reasons the Wallabies would thump the All Blacks, only to subsequently see them go down by a near record score? All while wearing the absurd affectation of a red bandanna?
I know I have.
And the worst of it is I didn’t really mean to. For when I went back to compare what I had written with what was published, I was horrified to see that what I had originally written was actually right on the money, and it was just the bloody subeditors that changed the meaning. Here, thus, finally, is the original, unexpurgated version.
Ten reasons we’re gunna be flogged like a convict caught with the governor’s wife.
1. While it is against the natural order of things for a group of New Zealanders to beat a group of Australians at anything, you only have to see how Julia Gillard went from playing full-forward with the Western Bulldogs to being Prime Minister – all in the space of three weeks – to see that stranger things have happened.
2. George Bernard Shaw once said German composer Richard Wagner ”has some wonderful moments … but some terrible half- hours!” and as the same may be said of the Wallabies over the past few Tests, there is every chance that will happen again.
3. The All Blacks are on fire. Some blowhard know-nothings say there is no way they can possibly play better, ever, than they did against the Springboks in their past two Tests, but form like that doesn’t die overnight.
4. Our forward pack is going to get belted! Yes, they’ve moved forward from the days of having a collapsing scrum and a dud lineout, but they’re still probably a week off being able to BELT THOSE MONGRELS STUPID!
5. We’re out of our depth. When you lose a player the likes of Quade Cooper at five-eighth, it doesn’t matter when you have a genius the calibre of Matt Giteau to move into that position, it never happens immediately. By next Saturday in Christchurch the new combination should be on fire, but I fear it won’t happen immediately.
6. Drew Mitchell. He worries me. Yes, he’s talented, but he’s also hot-headed. If you really want to know what I think, I fear he’s going to threaten my record for being the only Wallaby sent from the field in a match against the All Blacks.
7. Richie McCaw. He is the most damaging player in the world, and has never been stronger than right now. I think he will tear us apart in the second half. Plus he has the luck of the All Blacks.We’re Australians. They’re Kiwis. They’re a lot luckier than us. Fair dinkum, how long is it since the ball bloody well bounced our way in a Bledisloe Test? EVERY freaking time, they get the rub of the green and we get a hole in the bloody donut. There is no reason to expect that will change.
8. History shows that the All Blacks are never stronger than a year out from the World Cup, and that is exactly where they are now.
9. The Kiwis want it more. We Australians have so many things to boast about, we lose track. Those poor ******** only have the All Blacks, so they ride it harder.
10. The Wallabies are cleverer. The most important match is not this first match, but the NEXT THREE, when our blokes will be BAAACK to tear them apart, after having lulled them into a false sense of security by allowing them to rack up 49 points. Remember, you heard it here first!”.
2 Aug 2010, 01:29 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-657: No wonder they are USeless … we’ll send PdV to them … green card is one he hasn’t got yet – he’ll jump at it.
2 Aug 2010, 01:38 am
@TheBoksAreBack(bringbacktheboks)-660: They’re a tiny minority sport, as what underwater hockey is in SA, but they’ve already beaten a team like Tonga, who ran the Boks very close in RWC2007 (30-25). But they have 50000 registered players and have two Olympic gold medals for rugby.
2 Aug 2010, 02:52 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-657: it’s Nigel Melville, no? O’Sullivan is head coach.
2 Aug 2010, 02:56 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-656: the ‘convicts’ just get the laws changed, that’s their answer to everything:
‘While the Wallabies are trying to get more numbers around the ball, the Australian Rugby Union is hoping to drastically slash the number of pages of the law book devoted to foul play. At the moment, there are about 70 of them — five times what the AFL and NRL find necessary — and the result so far in this Tri-Nations has been that all four Tests played have been affected by sin-binnings and send-offs.
“We’ve ended up in a situation where jurisprudence is dominating sound common sense and sound rugby decisions,” ARU chief executive John O’Neill said. “The equilibrium between the law and common sense is out of kilter.”
A SANZAR-supported workshop will be held in Sydney on September 8 as part of an IRB review of the foul play regulations, but it comes too late to avert the farcical situation where two minor offences by winger Drew Mitchell combined to see him become only the second Australian to be sent off in a rugby Test.
Heaven knows what the legendary hard men of the game, Slaggy Miller, Tony Shaw, Stan Pilecki and Simon Poidevin, would make of Mitchell being sent off for slapping the ball out of an All Blacks’ hand to prevent a quick lineout.’
2 Aug 2010, 03:22 am
@cab(cab)-658:
I was disappointed when Mitchell got sent off but in actual fact on Sat both teams played their best rugby and racked up plenty of points while down to 14 players.
2 Aug 2010, 03:44 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-662: The head of any nation’s rugby union isn’t the coach. It’s the chairman of the board. Kevin Roberts is the man — the former head of Saatchi & Saatchi international and a publicity expert.
2 Aug 2010, 03:50 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-665: Actually, Roberts is STILL the global big cheese of Saatchi and he heads USA Rugby as an extra-mural interest.
2 Aug 2010, 04:27 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-665: yeah I read Melville was President and CEO of USA rugby, but you’re right Roberts is his superior. I don’t think rugby is really a goer in the US (15s anyway), I read an article not long ago about how it would take a major investment and no one’s prepared to stump up the cash on that scale. It’s a good thing too imo, they’d be even worse than John O’Neill when it came to law changes and altering the fundamentals and dumbing down the game for the masses.
2 Aug 2010, 05:22 am
Rugby in the US doesn’t HAVE to be as big as the NFL or even the College Football League. All it needs to do is draw 5% of some of the top-flight athletes away from NFL or CFL to play rugby and American rugby union could be absolutely huge and deep and pose a real threat to the existing powers.
Already they have 50000 players — imagine if that number grew to 500000! There’d have to be a whole swag of really good ‘uns in that intake. And the USA has the spare cash to buy in and to train up world-class coaches, refs, conditioner-trainers etc and apply their science.
And they’ve got a master-marketer at the helm. Roberts really doesn’t have a “Too Hard Basket” in his office.
2 Aug 2010, 09:38 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-663:
The law change at the breakdown certainly has made the game far more fluent and attractive to watch and has encouraged positive play. And Engl and the Boks still have the rolling maul. Surely we can agree that the game has improved since the ELVs were binned and 2009′s dreadful kick’n'chase slow poison ?
2 Aug 2010, 11:18 am
catchacrabbertjie is all @ss about face again.
White was a useless coach and a half decent manager. His on field coaching was diabolical hence the 45-26 hiding at home by Nz at Loftus and the 49-0 destruction by Oz at Brisbane. Any decent rugby coach would not capitulate by such margins. His strengths were planning and talent identification but certainly not coaching else he would not have begged EJ to come rescue his down trodden no clue game plan end of 07 when he knew he was up the creek without a paddle before the Wc.
Whites strengths compared to Pdv are actually opposite. Pdv far the superior hands on coach and White the better back room manager. Pdv is weak in overall planning and assistant managing, much better with the players and with hands on coaching on the field.
White handed the coaching reigns to EJ after tri nations 07 and good and well he did, because between himself Smal and Coetsee they simply didn’t have a foggy clue. All the drills and strategy came from Jones prior to and during Wc while White took the honors. .
2 Aug 2010, 17:09 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-670: Blowing air.
Jake White won a RWC, Div will never in a million years, with the wind behind him.
And you blame JW for the problems in the team now… how dare he win a world cup.
You need to go back to school.
2 Aug 2010, 17:12 pm
Ou doos still going on about lucky packet, but the trophy is in the cabinet
If EJ such a great coach and made all the difference, how come reds got done 96-3 by bulls and worst season ever under his reign?
Boks were 2nd favourites going into the rwc long before jones came into picture.
I think pdv is the correct coach to take the current bok team to the next level with his skillful upload game which is surely the pinnacle, but JW is the coach you use to build a team by getting their basics right and getting dome wins and confidence before going to next level.
The danger is too forget the fundamentals and try play like nz, but where the kiwis have always been based on a ruthless pack – the game is still won upfront, you can have all the skill and strike runners in the world but if you beaten upfront, you fuggered up, end of story.
2 Aug 2010, 17:18 pm
Snor is a joke, open your eyes.
2 Aug 2010, 17:46 pm
Far as I can tell pdv got exact same record as jw so far having won a 3n and a 66% win record, he also has beaten nz away twice which jw never did once in 4 years
problem is pdv has had a few key injuries like jw did in 2006 hence the string if losses to top quality 3n opposition who on the day can blitz u on the day or vice versa
2 Aug 2010, 22:24 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-657: No wonder its been so slow on the uptake – NZ administrators dont do much – they all ben dover and let O’neill do it all for them…
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