WP clinch Cape cracker
14 Aug 2010
JON CARDINELLI reports on WP’s 15-12 win over the Bulls in a bone-crunching and unforgettable derby at Newlands on Saturday.
The brutality of this contest was beautiful. Each collision appealed to the sick delight of the crowd, thousands of ‘ooohs’ quickly succeeded by a collective cry for more blood. This was Currie Cup combat at its best, as while the handling of both teams was below standard, the desire and intensity was spectacular.
Province enjoyed the majority of the possession in the first half, but the Bulls produced an inspirational display of defence to keep the hosts tryless. There were times when the Bully Boys lost their cool, the sin-binning of Gerhard van den Heever being a prime example. Amazingly, the visitors rallied together and kept a rampant WP at bay, finishing the period of sanction without conceding a solitary point.
Willem de Waal began this fixture in impressive form, and it surprised to see Anton van Zyl turning down kickable penalties as the Bulls repeatedly infringed. A promising movement from a set-piece deep in Bulls’ territory too often culminated in a knock on. You have to tip your hat to the Bulls defenders, but the fact that WP showed such a poor return for their first half possession was criminal.
Jacques-Louis Potgieter slotted the equaliser right after half-time as the Bulls played themselves back into the game. Tactically, Potgieter kicked cleverly, using the swirling wind to torment the WP back three. He was poorly supported in this facet, however. Zane Kirchner and scrumhalf Ruan Snyman failed to make telling kicking contributions, and the latter was under plenty of pressure at the base of the ruck.
WP did manage to penetrate the Bulls’ defence on occasion, Nick Koster’s incisive run after a well-taken lineout bringing the Newlands faithful to their feet. But poor hands cost them possession for the umpteenth time. WP’s lineouts were uncharacteristically inconsistent which also resulted in missed opportunities in Bulls’ territory. They held a slender 6-3 lead at the break when they should have been at least 10 points ahead.
But the Bulls were guilty of their own blunders, a decision to kick a penalty for touch backfiring horribly. Their maul from the lineout was marched back and possession conceded. This time WP’s defensive giants stood tall. That shaggy-haired monster, Duane Vermeulen, delivered some ball-jarring hits, as did former Blue Bull Frikkie Welsh.
A record Currie Cup crowd of over 47 000 were made to wait until the final quarter for the decisive blow. De Waal held his nerve to kick a 45m penalty before Potgieter missed one and then goaled another to leave the score at 12-9 with 10 minutes to play. De Waal’s fifth penalty was succeeded by another Potgieter goal, but that one miss proved to be the difference as WP played themselves into Bulls’ territory and killed the clock.
The result sees WP maintaining their unbeaten record and top position on the Currie Cup log. Their U19 and U21 teams also remain unbeaten after downing the Bulls juniors earlier on Saturday.
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354 Comments
14 Aug 2010, 18:54 pm
western dragons
14 Aug 2010, 18:55 pm
Another poor game by de Waal. Him being man of the match is a joke. He looked so tired in the 2nd half.
14 Aug 2010, 18:56 pm
not so exciting game…
14 Aug 2010, 18:57 pm
@Petri(Petri)-2: wasn’t mom. it was harris.
14 Aug 2010, 18:58 pm
harris?
14 Aug 2010, 19:02 pm
Brok Harris’s face when he was named Man of the Match…
14 Aug 2010, 19:03 pm
WP was exposed tonight, Bulls lacked brains at no. 9, liked the play of van Velze
14 Aug 2010, 19:05 pm
@crowbar(crowbar)-7: elaborate on the ‘exposed’ bit..
14 Aug 2010, 19:06 pm
Province too strong in the end.
14 Aug 2010, 19:10 pm
Boring game , thought the Bulls played negative too much , lucky to have only 1 yellow , WP totally dominated the game and should have been much more ahead , thats the worrying part. On the plus , Brock and Koster. Thought Koster did well and as well as reserve hooker once again.
14 Aug 2010, 19:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-8: yes please elaborate.
14 Aug 2010, 19:14 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-10: Yeah, brok and koster played well. Also Fourie and Louw. But de Waal looked tired. They obviously kept him on to kick the penalties in the game stayed tight, but de Waal and Duvenhage had poor kicking games. Unfortunately Hoffman did not have chance to impact on the game. Also I wish they would give JJ Engelbrecht a game ahead of Welsh.
14 Aug 2010, 19:16 pm
Engelbrecht should get a game ahead of Juries.
14 Aug 2010, 19:16 pm
@Petri(Petri)-12: Yes I rate JJ and we need to know if he is good enough , having said that I thought Welsh was the correct choice for this game , defensively he was very good.
I would also like to see Cronje ahead of De Waal. Or evens Hoffman
14 Aug 2010, 19:17 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-13: Jaa but JJ plays ledt wing doesn’t he ?
14 Aug 2010, 19:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-8: Well WP’s record so far was very good and they started to run away on the log, well they are still on top. They scored the most tries so far in the competition and they was the favourites going into today’s game. They could not dominate tonight against an average Bull pack and poor decision / over confidence cost them a lot of points.
14 Aug 2010, 19:21 pm
It’s as good as a loss. The Sharks is a much more daunting prospect. WP were arrogant in the first half and could have paid the price. Nice to see another Suidkapenaar stepping up. CJ stander made a more than decent debut for the Bulls. Go Geelhoutboom, go George, go Oakdale(Riversdal)!
14 Aug 2010, 19:22 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-15: WHen he first started playing u19, u21 and then senior rugby for WP he played right wing. It’s only this u21 season that I’ve seen him play left wing. Maybe he’s doing it to accommodate Poolman or maybe it is his more natural position, either way he’s proven he can play at right wing. And I’d definitely have him ahead of Juries.
14 Aug 2010, 19:23 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-17: “It’s as good as a loss” – The 4 points and top of the table say otherwise.
14 Aug 2010, 19:25 pm
@crowbar(crowbar)-16: Aah I get it, so you’re saying despite being easily the best team in the comp so far, this one poor game (which they still won) means they’ve been exposed?
14 Aug 2010, 19:27 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-17: As good as a loss ? Explain as well please , how can this count as good as a loss ? If anything its a wake up call to remind them to stick build a innings , we should have taken the points in the first half.
14 Aug 2010, 19:28 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-18: Oh ok , did not know that , thanks for the info
14 Aug 2010, 19:29 pm
Gotta say I’m surprised at the lack of comments by Bulls supporters here. I would have imagined that a 3 point loss against a rampant WP team at Newlands by this Bulls team would be cause for celebration.
After all, this is a moral victory for the Bulls – they didn’t concede a try and picked up a bonus point. This is a far, far better result than the majority of Bulls supporters expected.
14 Aug 2010, 19:34 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-21: This game should have been, and would have been if we took the points in the first half, a walk in the park. We under performed. One break, or intercept right up to the end could have burried us. Not acceptable. Period.
14 Aug 2010, 19:35 pm
@crowbar(crowbar)-16: ok, what about the bulls’ negative play in their own red zone, don’t you think that disrupted wp?
14 Aug 2010, 19:36 pm
@Windhoek.Lager(Windhoek.Lager)-23: The Bulls have reason to rejoice. We were shocking. At least we got 4 points.
14 Aug 2010, 19:38 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-25: It did, but that’s no excuse for taking wrong options and put the game at risk. Different decision making would have had us in front by at least 14 throughout the match.
14 Aug 2010, 19:39 pm
WOW!! What a game!!
I was on the edge of my seat…
then I fell off because I have fallen asleep.
14 Aug 2010, 19:40 pm
Juries was way out of his depth. He didn’t seem to value possession.
14 Aug 2010, 19:41 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-20: “easily” eh?
now this is why you capies get your *** kicked so regularly when you get ahead of yourselves.
next week will tell us a lot methinks.
14 Aug 2010, 19:45 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-30: I trust we won’t be so arrogant against the Sharks. The coming game against the Sharks is really the big test for the season.
14 Aug 2010, 19:46 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-30:
I was analysing what HE said, hency why I SAID “So you’re saying”: “Well WP’s record so far was very good and they started to run away on the log, well they are still on top. They scored the most tries so far in the competition and they was the favourites going into today’s game.” – That to me sounds like he was saying we were easily the best. I, myself never said that, understand?
Not the smartest crayon in the box are you? I’d read properly before I post next time.
14 Aug 2010, 19:46 pm
Well the Sharks won’t be shaking in their boots at the prospect of playing province after watching this afternoon’s performance.
I predict a feeding frenzy.
14 Aug 2010, 19:47 pm
As it is, the Sharks also derailed the Stromers in the S14 and showed where our weakness lies. It’s still the same, although a decent nr. 14 would have made a hell of a difference in this match.
14 Aug 2010, 19:49 pm
If we can beat the Sharks, we can take the Cup. They are the team to beat.
14 Aug 2010, 19:51 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-34: I was thinking thw hole time if we’d had a better wing in place of Juries we’d have easily scoed a few tries. He had so many opportunities and messed up in most of them. Hopefully his performance will convince the coaching staff that he’s not up to it.
Got it wrong on Engelbrecht by the way, he did play left wing for the u19 team at least, we have played him at right wing though and he’s done well there.
14 Aug 2010, 19:51 pm
A win is a win! Well done Province, but next week is going to be tough. Sharks always tough.
14 Aug 2010, 19:54 pm
No one can doubt that the two best team in the competition are top of the log.
14 Aug 2010, 19:59 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-36: One weak link makes a big difference. A backline is as good as its worst player.
14 Aug 2010, 20:02 pm
Well thank goodness for our Springbok full back and hooker!!
-Jonker carding the first BB high tackle (as he should’ve under the circumstances-eventhough it was very unfortunate as the replay shows), then procedes to ignore the following 3 WP high tackles. And I can forsee a number of bloggers complaining about Vermeulen’s “illegal” steal…
- A White man can’t jump!!
…so they say, well a Black man can’t throw!!
Got bored halfway through and started observing our latest “Springbok” hooker, Bandage Magoo (the rare glimpses the camera got of him), and I realized that he never tried to cleanout on our ball! He simply rushed to the 2nd channel and sat there. when the ball inevitably came his way, he rushed forward five paces at a 45 degree angle and came to
rest. Buggered up half our lineouts and hardly tackled. This boy isn’t even a shadow of Chiliboy……he’s….erm…..Pepperboy……..
-How is it that in a top rugby country where we enjoy and employ the kicking game, we only have a single half-dececnt flyhalf? JLP threw away probably a third of our attacks. And why on earth if you get frustrated do you try and stab the ball through…..right next to the fullback!?
-Snyman looked like a school kid out there. Maybe he should get a “bakoond”.
-Is it just me or do the BBRU play a player with niggles in every match every week?
-Juandre tried his heart out. Probably the best BB on the field.
-Kirchner…what can we say about the boy? Well, one thing I know: he looks very good with some Fourie and Spies. Though still better than Jaco vd West.
-I can see why Frikkie Welsh left the Blue Bulls.
- Vermeulen and Watermeyer Strong on their feet and good drive that’s for sure.
-First half territory in the BBs, second half in the WPs. Pretty even and equally sloppy, if we just had a decent kicker we could have taken this- barely.
Ag ja. Dissappointing match. I think I missed about 15 minutes of it somewhere in the middle (just before and after Potties went off. BBs looking very average in ball retention without a certain bunch of first choice players. OK, a couple of guys will comeback from injury and then we’ll have some fun.
14 Aug 2010, 20:05 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-40: If I were you, I would go out and celebrate. You should have been hammered!
14 Aug 2010, 20:06 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-6:
Ja…pretty much sums the match up.
14 Aug 2010, 20:06 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-40: My team won and I feel robbed and depressed!
14 Aug 2010, 20:07 pm
Winning ugly is the sign of a quality team. Province were not brilliant today. Quite a few half chances not converted into points. A win against the stinking blue %^^#^#E% from up north , i’l take it any day of the week , thanks.
14 Aug 2010, 20:07 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-32: use some quotation marks if you are referring to another persons ideas then you touchy little piece of shade
Otherwise your post is pretty ambiguous.
you understand this concept of course?
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-31: looking forward to the game. hopefully i can find a spot to watch it in scotland but i doubt it.
14 Aug 2010, 20:07 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-43: Even pi$$ed off.
14 Aug 2010, 20:08 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-41:
One plus about this game is the defence. Some nice hits (on Juandre and Kirchner and Vermeulen etc.) and my magtig! nobody got given an inch. This is another area where a fetcher helps indirectly-tremendously.
14 Aug 2010, 20:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-25: Negative, yes and it disrupted the WP, and it showed that on the night they could not adapt to the gameplan of the Bulls, and to be honest it was not much of a gameplan.
14 Aug 2010, 20:10 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-43:
Ah man, there was a great knitting show on the Home Channel….can’t believe I missed it for this!
14 Aug 2010, 20:11 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-47: True, but the chances we squandered through bad handling by Juries for example is too much to swallow.
14 Aug 2010, 20:12 pm
JC, you switched the halftime score in the brackets.
14 Aug 2010, 20:14 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-50:
Loved it whe Tiaan bumbed off Kuun…
14 Aug 2010, 20:15 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-45: I quoted the poster, generally when you quote someone you refer to the posts they made. The “you’re saying” couldn’t have made it any clearer I was analysing what he said. Nothing ambiguous about it. Don’t get bitter because I pointed out your inability to read.
And yes people trying to bring up their provincial bias in every thread for no reason get me a bit touchy.
14 Aug 2010, 20:15 pm
Pity about Gary, when you have a janitor to replace your captain, things tend to go wrong.
14 Aug 2010, 20:17 pm
Should’ve kicked the goal when we had a chance, and perhaps went L/O with 3 minutes left. An draw would have made it interesting.
14 Aug 2010, 20:18 pm
it wasn’t pretty, but we’ll take it
14 Aug 2010, 20:20 pm
2 things!
Bulls played negative
Fabian Juries too slow
14 Aug 2010, 20:20 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-54: Thought your reserve hooker was 10 x better than the token Gary Botha
14 Aug 2010, 20:21 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-52: Tiaan’s not linking up with support players when he’s on attack. He should have a better support player awareness. It’s a general problem with most of our players in the country – trying to gain that extra yard, instead of playing for creating a better platform for further advance. One or two steps closer to the support can make all the difference in the world.
14 Aug 2010, 20:22 pm
@renoog(silent_shadow)-53: ag, your post in ambiguous because you refer to two seperate ideas another person has.
for instance:
so you are saying that despite being easily the smartest crayon in the box i misread your post?
but bygones mate. well done to your team. my PROVINCE, NATAL will stuff your lads like the christmas turkey this weekend (its a PROVINCIAL competition mate, what do you expect? kumbaya around a campfire?)
14 Aug 2010, 20:22 pm
WP should have scored at least 4tries in 1st half
14 Aug 2010, 20:25 pm
It was hardly a cracker. It looked very much like 2 teams who couldn’t finish. The occasion was too big for them it seems.
Thought that Jonker was a little one-sided but nothing that really changed the outcome. One missed penalty did that.
Sharks will be sleeping easy, the WP will be sore tomorrow.
14 Aug 2010, 20:29 pm
Province getting stronger and stronger, with every passing day.
14 Aug 2010, 20:30 pm
The first 25 minutes inside the Bulls 22 also said a lot. Too flat on the attack, giving the attacking player no time to beat the defense. He gets ball and defender at the same time. He has no option but to make contact and go to ground. Just 1 yard back would give hom more options. The next receiver should rather hang in a bit closer to the ball carrier laterally. Instead of in line and 4 meters away from the ball carrier, he should be 3 meters in and one meter back. Can’t anybody remember the glory days of Naas, Michael Du Plessis and Danie Gerber?
14 Aug 2010, 20:32 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-63: Not from where I sit. WP just beat the Bulls who just beat the Leopards who were hammered by the Sharks…
14 Aug 2010, 20:32 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-61: Maybe not four, but at least two. It’s all down to lying too flat on attack.
14 Aug 2010, 20:35 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-65: ‘…Sharks…’ who was beaten by Griekwas who was hammered by WP.
14 Aug 2010, 20:35 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-65:
Ist problem with you is that you’re sitting.
2ndly you cannot see what’s in front of you.
It seems that Province is the benchmark for rugby in SA and they have not even reach their full potential. This is a side very much in a building phase…
14 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-66: Four tries! That old piece of trash, Willem de Waal with his FreeState mentality and behaviour should copped the blame for the lack of tries!
14 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
The thing that will hurt tonight is the smile on the WP players’ faces in the postmatch function.
14 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-70: postmatch function? the M&G?
14 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-68: ‘it seems province is the benchmark’… it does seem that way with everyone from WP, from Skinstad and co who are so biased it’s frightening.
I don’t know if you recall who actually won the S14… it was… NOT PROVINCE.
One little slight promise and you people are touching each other in change rooms and howling at the mountain.
WP are good, but they have a long way to go to be THE BENCHMARK… win a cup or two first perhaps…
14 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
If Province play to their full potential they will beat the All Blacks.
It’s as simple as that.
14 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-69: I’m also not a fan of De Waal. He looks more like a Bulls flyhalf to me (as Naas Olivier before him), but there were opportunities created and they were squandered out wide.
14 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
that Gary Botha another overrated vet gat whitey glory boy show pony, Maku came on and suddenly Bulls looked a whole lot better. As for No. 8 Van Velze way better prospect than show pony useless Mr Muscle Spies, though if anyone still doubting the qualitative difference between Vermeulen and Spies got to have dumb doos rocks inside their heads.
14 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-73: maybe if the All Blacks play REALLY badly
14 Aug 2010, 20:45 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-73: Ok you’ve been in Boland’s Cellar today I see. Lay off the Friesenhof a while, you might wake up
It scares me how WP are so arrogant having won nothing yet, give the team a chance mate, let’s see how they do against the Sharks first.
I mean I could say ‘with the right coaching and players the Lions will beat the All Blacks’ but that is bo’locks of course…
14 Aug 2010, 20:46 pm
Next up is the Guppies! After losing against Griquas nobody take the Banana boys seriaas! Losers!
14 Aug 2010, 20:46 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-65:
Where they eat “kasies en weense worsetjies”
And have a few Lion Lagers
14 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-79: I am a Durban guy, we don’t even understand Afrikaans
Watch out come Saturday… I have a feeling you are going to be tested a bit more than you were today.
14 Aug 2010, 20:48 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-73: Easy, easy… We still have a lot of problems. Our frontrow is suspect, the balance of our loose trio is wrong, we still can’t dominate as a pack, at the moment we don’t have a flyhalf and we don’t have BMT yet.
To think a provincial side can beat a team like the All Blacks is precisely the trap that PdV fell into. Any one of the Stormers, Sharks of Bulls will receive the hiding of a lifetime against the All Blacks.
14 Aug 2010, 20:49 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-77:
John Mitchell, Carlos Spencer
Give them time, before long it will be whole 2000 AB squad
14 Aug 2010, 20:51 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-80:
Surprise us and move the game to Moses Mabhida.
Where do you live, in the Gateway Shopping Centre?
14 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-82: LOL
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-81: Yeah you guys are looking solid but the lack of ability to break through the Bulls today was a worry. You went sideways, a lot, and against 14.
Odd game 2 different styles and for a team with 23 tries you would have thought more would have come today but not to be. Bonus points may get you in the end, as a Sharks supporter I know all about lack of bonus points. This year we have some, which has not been the pattern.
Looking forward to the game on Saturday, going to be a good one.
14 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
Wonder where UnbeataBULL is hiding? Doing a Waterkloof 4?
14 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-83: Never Moses is not a rugby ground.
I live in Morningside, gateway is like Sandton by the sea, no thanks.
14 Aug 2010, 20:53 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-81:
ABs are imposters.
They’ve done nothing to advance rugby union.
Where have you heard of rugby players thats into knitting.
Dan Carter, Jimmy Cowan, Tialata and another unidentified indiv; all into knitting
14 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-87: At least they aren’t into each other like the boys from Caaape Town….
cheers all
14 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
Currie Cup, like S14 is no sprint. It’s more like a Ultra Marathon… like the Comrades. You can run all the way, but if you don’t have the stamina and the grunt when needed, you’ll lose. Coming Saturday is WP’s Polly Shorts. And after that, there’s still a long way to go.
14 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-86:
Why did you guys give the stadium a name like that plonker; no creativity in KZN it seems
14 Aug 2010, 20:57 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-88:
Did your boyfriend tell you to type that?
14 Aug 2010, 20:58 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-87: There wa a famous Springbok prop from the 1950/1960′s also into kitting. It might have been Piet Spiere du Toit.
14 Aug 2010, 20:58 pm
come now, nothing wrong with *** people
14 Aug 2010, 20:58 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-90: You have to try a lot harder than that, I don’t think you understand, we DONT CARE about the new stadium, it isn’t Kings Park. It’s horrible to watch rugby at as the sight lines are too far.
A big white elephant took a dump on our beachfront, that is all.
14 Aug 2010, 20:59 pm
Just a quick one. i am a WP fan, but a big up to the Lions and John Mitchell. I think P Divvy should rather shut up about NZ landers “sniffing around”. Mitchell has done wonders with this team, much more than **** the **** Muir. Did you see how Jantjies gave credit to Mitchell and Spencer for the man of the match award. I hope Mitch and King Carlos can keep “sniffing” around by the Lions, great work guys! Oh, and off course, Provinceee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To all the Bulls fans, great game, thanks. And by the way, 8 Bulls by the Boks and 8 WP players by the Boks, so don’t even try that axcuse.
14 Aug 2010, 20:59 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-93: omw I never get censored! I didn’t say anything bad…
14 Aug 2010, 21:00 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-93: No there isn’t you are right, we just have less in Durban… now, I must go… good luck all.
14 Aug 2010, 21:00 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-90: How does Wahl Baartman Stadium or Cabous International Stadium or Tony Watson Stadium sound?
14 Aug 2010, 21:01 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-97: night
14 Aug 2010, 21:03 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-98:
I’d suggest Waylon Murray Stadium
14 Aug 2010, 21:03 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-98: How about the Gary Teichmann Stadium or the Tommy Bedford Stadium?
14 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-99:
Sarah, you must be 16 by now?
I think when you started here you were 14?
14 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-100:
14 Aug 2010, 21:05 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-102: I turn 17 in Novemeber
14 Aug 2010, 21:06 pm
I am a WP man and I am really disappointed at a 3 point win
14 Aug 2010, 21:07 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-104:
That is absolutely amazing!
But you’re still too young for WPTID to take you out on a date?
I remember he had this “rule of thumb” formula of: his age divide by 2 + 7 or something
14 Aug 2010, 21:08 pm
@JL1(JL1)-105:
Gaan lees die WP game thread op Rugby talk gou …
14 Aug 2010, 21:10 pm
@JL1(JL1)-105: same here man
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-106: ha ha ja you lot are getting old, I’ll be going for my learners, looking at varsity…
lol no ja still way too young for him!
btw remember I told you I was writing my IGCSE’s?
14 Aug 2010, 21:10 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-101: Adrian Garvey International
Lem’s Stadium
14 Aug 2010, 21:13 pm
You have to wonder how the Bok coach can leave guys like Vermeulen, Duvenhage and Liebenberg out of the Bok squad in favor of Spies, Januarie and Chilli. Is the guy that trapped by politics?
As for Kirchner and Jantjes – both pathetic excuses for Bok fullbacks.
14 Aug 2010, 21:16 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-107: Give me the short version, that site is not Ipad or Iphone friendly
14 Aug 2010, 21:16 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-65: That maths dont work out , WP totally killed the griquas who beat the sharks……see what I mean ?
14 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
All I know is that some Blue Bulls supporter that was talking up a storm last week here suggested a wager of a case of beers on the outcome of todays match, or the cash equivalent. So I’m a case of beer to the good. And winning it off a BB supporeter will make it tast all the better….
Anyone know what a case of Heineken costs these days?? I’m not used to buying my own beer. The wife does that.
14 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
@Windhoek.Lager(Windhoek.Lager)-23: Actually majority thought the Bulls would win , just check the polls , 460 people actually voted Bulls by 15+. About 2000 casted their votes and at least 1600 voted for the bulls , just goes to show the mentality of the Bulls supporters on keo.
14 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-112: rugby players & maths… not a good combo
14 Aug 2010, 21:20 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-108:
No you did not tell me.
But you did mention at some stage you were studying something in IT?
What ever happened to Dylan?
14 Aug 2010, 21:21 pm
@JL1(JL1)-111:
Impossible; you will have to wait until you can access
14 Aug 2010, 21:22 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-108:
Sarah, you dont know how old I am…
I’ll never forget how I tricked you to think I’m over 60
14 Aug 2010, 21:24 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-116: well IGCSE’s were like my second most important exams I had to write. I wrote them in May & June (that’s why I was MIA). I got my results back on Thurs. I scored 2 A*’s, 3 A’s & 2 B’s… all I have to do is pass english at the end of next year and I’m all set for Varsity!
Dylan who? Capes or Andrews?
14 Aug 2010, 21:26 pm
Stormers should have smashed these Neaderthals
14 Aug 2010, 21:27 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-119:
Well done Sarah!
Always knew you were a clever girl!
You-see-tea I take it?
I dont know, just a young man who also logged on at some stage. I still asked him why he liked you so much and his reply was that you are hot, that guy …
14 Aug 2010, 21:27 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-118: I was young and naïve!
14 Aug 2010, 21:30 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-121: lol er maybe… kinds leaning towards WITS… *shock & horror
oh wow that was ages ago! I haven’t heard from him in ages!
14 Aug 2010, 21:31 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-122:
I once tricked a guy here on keo to think I live in Bay of Plenty NZ
In those days I was a regular and would immediately pick up a newcomer
Invariably we will put bait out and the victim will fall for it
14 Aug 2010, 21:34 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-123:
Interesting choice, why not UCT or Maties?
Good univ I suppose but I dont like the location, in JHb of all places
Stb of course the ultimate student island, very similar to Potch but Stb cooler I think
14 Aug 2010, 21:34 pm
Ahhhh….good times for Province supporters.
14 Aug 2010, 21:37 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-125: Maties & UCT are both def options. But a lot has happened this year which has asked me to re-examine what I want and who I was doing it for.
WITS is sounding good cos my big sis lives in JHB and the Dean of Admissions is like family
14 Aug 2010, 21:48 pm
Frikkie Welsh, Derick Kuun, Duane Vermulen, Juandre Kruger and Willem De Waal all had great games.
Kruger, Vermeulen for Bok Squad instead of Kanko and Flip?
Would add real value
14 Aug 2010, 21:50 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-127:
Choice of univ quite crucial!
For example, if my wife did not attend Maties then I would not have met her, still possible but you know what I mean
My advice would be to actually visit all your options in person and take an informative tour and do thorough research
Quite convenient to go home over weekends
14 Aug 2010, 21:52 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-129: lol yes will def do that!… but you know, next year
and may need to really think it through… I don’t want to get married
cheers, need to edit a story for a friend
14 Aug 2010, 21:59 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-130:
Cheers Sarah!
14 Aug 2010, 22:13 pm
What a heartening performance by the Bulls. I’m very proud of the boys.
I had to laugh when Supersport tried to suggest that both teams are missing the same amount of depth (8 each to Bok duty, apparently).
The truth of the matter is of course very different, if you look at the quality that’s missing from key positions in each team.
Back to the game, I would have made Juandre Kruger or Van Velze the man of the match. Watermeyer looked good once again, as did most of your young forwards.
Duane Vermeulen – sorry, but whoever suggested he should be in the Bok squad must have been drinking. The guy is a plodding donkey, and just how many balls did he lose in contact?
I thought van Velze outperformed him on the day, and 19 year old CJ Stander was impressive.
Furthermore, our number 5 and 6 locks didn’t do badly against Province’s at all. In fact, I would say we had the edge there – particularly in the second half.
There’s a lot more to comment on, but in a nutshell, the young Bulls are starting to come together and the future is looking very bright.
14 Aug 2010, 22:22 pm
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-132:
Whether you have laughed at Supersport mentioning of a fact does not matter. All that matters is that WP won and the Bulls lost.
Obviously you would have a go at Vermeulen- after all, his name is one of those mentioned to replace the overhyped and overrated Spies.
Anyway, its always nice to win against the other superpower of SA rugby. Long may the battle continue.
14 Aug 2010, 22:39 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-85:
Wonder where you were all week, doing a Moses Sithole?
14 Aug 2010, 22:39 pm
5 penalties to 4 penalties? Ho-hum… zzzzzz!
14 Aug 2010, 22:43 pm
Duane Vermeulen getting criticised for losing the ball in contact… This site never fails to surprise.
14 Aug 2010, 22:45 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-133: We should have buried the Bulls
14 Aug 2010, 23:22 pm
@JL1(JL1)-137:
But you couldn’t.
14 Aug 2010, 23:29 pm
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-138:
No,no, Tacitus. Let’s be thorough.
JL1, you couldn’t, not even with Fourie du Preez; Victor Matfield; Bakkies Botha; danie Rossouw; Morne Steyn; Pierre Spies; Gary Botha; Deon Stegmann; Francois Hougaard; Gurthro Steenkamp; Chiliboy Ralepele; Flip van Der Merwe; Wynand Olivier; Dewald Potgieter (sat out an entire half)………
What do you think’s going to happen when they return?
Yes, that’s right! A+ for you!! Baas moer vir klaas.
14 Aug 2010, 23:31 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-139:
15 Aug 2010, 00:16 am
@JL1(JL1)-137:
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-138:
Remember, the scoreboard doesn’t lie.
In fact, there isn’t even a remarks column on the scoreboard.
A win is a win, and I’ll take it, and move on.
15 Aug 2010, 01:50 am
Ahh to only have been in the stands at Newlands. Well done Province time to take back what is rightfully ours.
No CC coverage on Fox sports anymore after the Cannon debacle. Up yours Rupert, miskien fix jy die rugby…
15 Aug 2010, 02:03 am
Ok, let’s see who is missing from the WP lineup, virtually the whole backline, Habana, Fourie, Aplon, De Jong, Jean de villiers, so where are the “missing” bulls players to match this backline? In the forwards WP were missing Schalk, F Louw and Andries Bekker, now I would say that more than matches the missing bulls players!!
15 Aug 2010, 02:09 am
that Gary Botha the most overhyped piece of overrated white lard@ss ever just like his overhyped colleague Spies.
Maku and Van Velze light years better
P. Louw, Koster and Vermeulen shaded the loose exchanges. Bulls 2 locks were good. D. Potgieter still doesn’t impress as much as all the hype surrounding him, neither does his namesake all that much at 10.
First 35 min Province were all over Bulls to tune of 70/30 in both territory and possession only Van Zyl opted to go for line outs when he had kickable penalties the final execution letting them down.
Vermeulen is a machine best 8 in the country by miles, never loses it in contact ever, positional sense superb, doesn’t ever drop high ball, takes his share of line out ball, drills 3-4 defenders every time he takes it in on front foot, tackles like a demon unlike poefta Spies, comparing Vermeulen to Spies is like comparing Zinzan Brooke to Tommy Bedford – no comparison and these Bok selectors still blinded by poefta flashman antics of Spies and Kankowski when they got Vermeulen and Alberts and J. Kruger playing in the CC.
Pieter Louw would also be a better bet in the Bok camp then some other overrated sugar daddies. Watch Koster if he stays injury free boys gonna go places in a hurry, also another class act on the horizon
15 Aug 2010, 02:15 am
white quotas: Botha, Spies, Olivier, Smit, Kankowski, Pienaar how many others
Brown quotas: Kirchner, Januarie
White quotas weighing the boks down get them out the system fast they clogging up the works
15 Aug 2010, 07:34 am
@modawg(modawg)-143:
This is just silly now.
Missing players list:
WP:
- Schalk Burger
- Andries Bekker
- Francois Louw
- Jaque Fourie
- Jean de Villiers
- Bryan Habana
- Juan de Jongh
- Gio Aplon
The Blue Bulls:
- Fourie du Preez
- Victor Matfield
- Bakkies Botha
- Danie Rossouw
- Flip van der Merwe
- Pierre Spies
- Morne Steyn
- Francois Hougaard
- Gary Botha
- Deon Stegmann
- Gurthro Steenkamp
- Wynand Olivier
- Chiliboy Ralepele
- Dewald Potgieter (sat out most of the match).
So how is WP more influenced than the Blue Bulls?
Or do you want to have Sireli Naqelevuki listed too?
15 Aug 2010, 07:40 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-146:
Forgot to add Akona Ndugane, and let’s put in some others, so here goes again:
WP:
- Schalk Burger
- Andries Bekker
- Francois Louw
- Jaque Fourie
- Jean de Villiers
- Bryan Habana
- Juan de Jongh
- Gio Aplon
- Joe Petersen
- Peter Grant
- Sireli Naqelevuki
The Blue Bulls:
- Fourie du Preez
- Victor Matfield
- Bakkies Botha
- Danie Rossouw
- Flip van der Merwe
- Pierre Spies
- Morne Steyn
- Francois Hougaard
- Gary Botha
- Deon Stegmann
- Gurthro Steenkamp
- Wynand Olivier
- Akona Ndungane
- Chiliboy Ralepele
- Heini Adams
- Pedrie Wannenburg
- Dewald Potgieter (sat out most of the match).
Did I miss anything?
15 Aug 2010, 07:43 am
When looking at players missing from the starting lineup, it seems cloer with WP missing 10 starters and Blue Bulls missing 12.
But then WP have none on bench (disregarding Sireli), and the Bulls have 5 on the bench. Pretty much the whole team.
15 Aug 2010, 08:09 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-146: Due, it was always going to get silly. The game is won on the field, not in blogs and their “dream teams”…
I’m personally dissapointed in the way that WP took their opportunities. They had the opportunity to put at least 9 points on the board in the first half but didn’t take their options well.
I’d say the scoreboard could have had a much bigger winning margin. There’s a lesson there: Traditional N/S derbies are like test matches. You take your points when you can get them. Ignore that at your peril.
All in all an ugly win, but we’ll take it. For now the bragging rights belong to us, until the semis. Then we’ll see again.
Shoulda coulda woulda doesn’t cut it, but congratulations to your team for playing really well. Extremely physical in there. I was quite close to the field and you could hear the hits. The guys weren’t holding anything back.
We have a lot of work to do before next weekend at the Shark tank.
15 Aug 2010, 08:10 am
if a
bonus point
means
within seven
then what
was going
on
in the
bulls’
upstairs dept
they are
within
seven
there is
3 min
left
they are
on the
attack
they get a
penalty
and go for
poles
turn around
and go back
50 yards
and forget
about
scoring
a try
stupid stupid
and stupid
15 Aug 2010, 08:13 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-150: Lots of dumb decisions on the night dude…
15 Aug 2010, 08:22 am
The bottom line is WP province won and the Bulls lost. Winning becomes a habit and losing too.
Make excuses till the cows come home – list the number of players missing in each team and pretending it made a difference. Quality is better than quantity – now measure the value of each of the missing players – probably evens. Why when a team loses you always have to find an excuse.
Province won and the record book will tell you that.
Well done Province. Sharks going to be tough next week though.
15 Aug 2010, 08:23 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-149:
Ugh, and it isn’t my team. I’m too tired to disagree and too sober to care.
15 Aug 2010, 08:25 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-153:
Not having lost in the Currie Cup yet is enough to brag about mate. Stop being sour – accept the loss and move on mate. We did in the Super 14 and Semi’s last year.
15 Aug 2010, 08:29 am
Well done to the Lions as well. I said earlier in the year that I’m impressed with the style of rugby they are playing and sooner or later things will change. The kicking for kicking sake is no longer a recipe for success.
15 Aug 2010, 08:30 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-154:
…what? All I read was: “Not having won the Currie Cup in 10 years is nothing to brage about mate. Stop the pain- cut our losses and move on mate. Did we do anything in the S14…”
15 Aug 2010, 08:33 am
15 Aug 2010, 08:35 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-157:
LOL – I know how you feel. I’m a Province supporter and being through it enough. The wheel turns and it is a new dawn! That name rings a bell.
15 Aug 2010, 08:46 am
WP really missed WO tonight. What a pleasure to play against him!
15 Aug 2010, 08:50 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-144: True about Gary, I saw it here in the UK as well, he is really average, will always be
Not a test player
Btw, you do not get white quotas in rugby
15 Aug 2010, 08:52 am
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-159: It seems that the Bulls and WP can defend, but not the Boks
You right we did miss WO, another average player, doing average things, and not a test player at all
15 Aug 2010, 09:10 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-145: They are not quotas but they are very much part of the old boys club who should not be there… net result. same as if they were quotas.
15 Aug 2010, 09:20 am
73. Sheriff(Sheriff)Reply to this comment :
August 14th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
‘If Province play to their full potential they will beat the All Blacks.
It’s as simple as that.’
Not in you wildest dreams.Marius Jonker appeared to be influenced by a biased WP-crowd that let him know in no uncertain terms what they thought about his decisions if they were against Province.
He penalised the Bulls front for slipping the bind,but neither he nor the Assistant ref. noticed on one occasion that the Province prop had his jersey pulled up to his neck and the Bulls prop had to bind on the love handles of the Province prop.
He also failed to notice the tactics of the Province
front row to crab sideways in order to turn the Bulls pack.
In the long run the WP maybe deserved a 3 point win as
they were the more enterprising side and came close to scoring although a draw would not have been a bad result for the Bulls.
15 Aug 2010, 09:32 am
@Brentie1(Brentie1)-163: i actually thought both teams had no appreciation for possession, between de waal & jlp they pissed away a lot of ball with aimless kicking.
15 Aug 2010, 09:45 am
Was that it?
a wopping 3 point win against the bulls?
not quite a super 14 final now,is it?
15 Aug 2010, 10:06 am
And the kiwi fruits will say tryless games are boring…
15 Aug 2010, 10:18 am
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-156: Yes I know….let it out…..it’s ok, we know if Deon Stegman was in the team everything would have been different….
That’ll be R650 + Vat for the therapy please..
15 Aug 2010, 10:19 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-165: Nope. That was then and this is now. Our tesm won and your team lost…
15 Aug 2010, 10:25 am
The BULLS lost fair and square , we could have beaten you by far more than we did.
But for some reason ,maybe because you were the underdogs and or only lost by 3 , most of you are going on as if you won the game????
WTF ??
Accept you got beaten by A BETTER TEAM. BOTTOM LINE
15 Aug 2010, 10:28 am
Look I will take this win, I am disappointed with the score though, it looks like the Bulls played negative rugby to keep the score down
15 Aug 2010, 10:29 am
PROVINCe
15 Aug 2010, 10:30 am
And again, PPPPPrrrrrrovince
15 Aug 2010, 10:30 am
Who won yesterday ? Ummmmmmm , I think it might have been Prrrrrrrrrroooooooovince
15 Aug 2010, 10:41 am
next weeks gonna be a cracker
15 Aug 2010, 10:46 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-174:
Should be a way better game ja , Win or Lose.
15 Aug 2010, 11:18 am
Gotta love the posts from the Bulls fans on here! Early season or not we won and you lost. You were lucky it was only a 3 point margin in the end thanks to some poor decision-making and handling by Province. Cheer up boys, at least you got a barely-deserved bonus point. Doesn’t make up for the S14 final, but our time will come and it is approaching rapidly!
15 Aug 2010, 11:49 am
164. Transformation(Transformation)August 15th, 2010 at 9:32 am
‘@Brentie1(Brentie1)-163: i actually thought both teams had no appreciation for possession, between de waal & jlp they pissed away a lot of ball with aimless kicking.’
I agree but unfortunately with the defensive line bordering on off side,Bulls were penalised on a number of occasions, there is not much a fly half can do.WP had the better possession but in typical South African fashion it once again became a matter of brawn over brains.
For me South African teams have not as yet mastered the balance between the two.The All Blacks in my opinion have the best balance.There is lots of physicality but they far
more than any other team are able to off load in the tackle.
South African players are far more inclined to attack the
opponent ball in hand and would rather run over him than to attack the opening between two defenders and free their arms to off load.
This was clear to see in all the games the Boks played against the All Blacks.If the Boks can master this art they
should be able to hold there own and might even surprise
all of us.
15 Aug 2010, 12:01 pm
It’s still early days in the competition. We’re not even at the half way stage yet. Still feet on the ground stuff.
Saturday at the Shark tank is going to be huge.
Province still have to play the Bulls away.
You know what?
I think it’s time to pay Loftus a visit again. I think it’ll be worthwhile.
15 Aug 2010, 12:24 pm
Inside the mind of Peter Div
Aug 14, 2010 10:50 PM | By SIMNIKIWE XABANISA
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Springbok coach Peter de Villiers is undergoing his most difficult year in charge, with the world champions having lost all three of their Tri-Nations games. He spoke to SIMNIKIWE XABANISA this week about his plan to turn things around
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STILL THE BOSS: Peter de Villiers during the Springboks’ practice session at Hyde Park High School this week Picture: GALLO
What have you learnt from the unexpected reversal of form for the Springboks?
If you go back to 2008 I was new and the players were working hard to be in my good books. Then came 2009 and the inspiration was to win the (British & Irish) Lions series. Then we’d almost wrapped up the Tri-Nations by winning our three matches in South Africa, so there was more motivation for us. Then we had two teams in a Super 14 final in 2010 for the second time, and suddenly there was nothing to play for except another Tri-Nations. What was there to motivate them internally to go that extra mile? The second thing I’ve learnt is that as a group we need to be on the same page all the time. After winning the Tri-Nations last year I think the management team and the players slacked off a bit because we felt all we had to do was rock up and things would be easy.
It has been said the Boks have missed Fourie du Preez from a kicking perspective and Heinrich Brussow at the breakdown. Is it really as simple as that?
It is. Fourie is someone you can’t replace. You can find someone with other attributes, but you can’t find someone to replace him. The kicking part of his game is only one part of his brilliance. There’s still his decision-making, his reading of the game and the fact that he can inspire others around him. He is the most rounded rugby player in the country. We didn’t make the necessary adjustments when he wasn’t there, we thought we’d do the same things but our execution wasn’t as good. Heinrich brings something extra, but Fourie is a guy you really miss.
Given your feelings about the pace of northern hemisphere rugby and that he still has another two years at Racing Metro, what’s the plan with Frans Steyn with the World Cup in mind?
I think we’ve learnt from the last few Tests that the pace of the northern hemisphere game can’t compare with what we have down here. It’s taken us three months to bring all the guys who play in the northern hemisphere up to speed. Regarding Frans, I haven’t thought that far yet, but we can’t have him come here from France and straight to the World Cup because it won’t allow us the luxury of having him as just another player on the same level as others. I think the best thing to do now is talk personally to his club and see if we can work out something.
Have the Springboks’ latest performances alerted you to any changes you might need to make to some of your World Cup plans?
Studying our videos, it’s mind-boggling to me why we didn’t win. (For senior players) to get three yellow cards in the first 20 minutes of all three Tests is unheard of. Then you look at how we progressed from the 10m line to two metres from the tryline five times without scoring. In Auckland, we tackled a lot but still conceded only five penalties, which means the discipline in that Test was actually good. As a coach you struggle to understand why you lost. Then you realise that 95% isn’t good enough at Test rugby, you need to be 100% on top of your game if you want to make life difficult for the opponents. So what we’ve learnt is that with the game officiated differently in the two hemispheres and the IRB going for neutral referees – New Zealand and Australia don’t have such good ones – we’re going to have to contend with northern hemisphere referees. We have to make a shift in mind-set and not allow circumstances to bully us. We must adapt and play the game without looking for excuses.
Are you still going to take all your senior players on the Grand Slam tour?
I’ve had a big change of mind on that. The Super 15 next year will be longer than we’re used to and it will be tough on the players. So we just have to give them that much-needed recovery period, and I think the end-of-the-year-tour will be the best time to do that.
You have said it is a bit late to incorporate new players into the squad because you know your World Cup team. Is the door really closed to those outside the team?
If you look at the players we took overseas to Wales and the guys we played against Italy, there’s a clear indication of who will be there. If you rest a few players, the guys who will replace them are already known and know the culture of the team. There might be two or three new faces, but if there are more than three then I haven’t done my job well over the last few years.
Two of the players you contracted with a view to playing in the World Cup, John Smit and Victor Matfield, have come in for particular criticism after the tour of Australasia. What would it take for you to consider not taking them to New Zealand?
You must understand one thing about New Zealand and Australia. They will do everything in their power to disjoint this team, to make us doubt ourselves and each other. It isn’t what they think that’s important, it’s what we know. If you look at their playing hours you can see players like that have been a bit overplayed. They’re not young any more, but they are brilliant leaders, make a difference in the team, and they instil fear in the opposition. Listening to the **** that people are saying about them will only mean we are lost in the end. It’s up to me and my medical team to sit down and work out a plan for guys such as Victor, John, Bryan, Schalk, Danie … there’s quite a lot of them.
Smit started the season as a tighthead prop, played a fair amount of it at loosehead, but has been asked to be the best hooker in the country at international level. What’s your plan for him now that Bismarck du Plessis is fit again?
He is the best hooker in the country. His scrumming ability is beyond anything another hooker can give us. His basic job, throwing in, is good. When he runs with the ball he generates forward momentum. What people can criticise at the moment is his defence. But our defence in general wasn’t good so that’s unfair on John. We’ve got two brilliant hookers in the team with Chiliboy Ralepelle having come on in leaps and bounds. Players in this team know that when you’re no longer in the fold, you have to work your way back in again. We’ve sent Bismarck back to the Sharks. If he shows signs of being better than anybody here, he will be back.
Does that mean you would consider playing John at tighthead again?
No. John did great service at tighthead when we didn’t have the luxury of the three tightheads we’re sitting with at the moment. I won’t be unfair on him again.
Why has the defence struggled so much in the Tri-Nations?
The other stuff is technical, we just had to fix it. The players have to understand their roles. I just don’t think they took responsibility for their roles. It goes back to what I said at the beginning – was the inner motivation there to put their bodies on the line? The disastrous results for the team came at the right time, just to get our feet back on the ground.
The so-called player-driven system has also come in for criticism after the three losses away. Will you review it or continue as you were?
I empower the people I work with to be their best for their country. We played our first Test a week after the Super 14 final, so what chance did we have to work on anything new with the players? I believe my input and that of my staff on a Sunday or a Monday is much more valuable than to be seen out there telling the players to clean and run. I try to simulate a game situation in training where the captain runs the show and then I make my input. I’m still the boss around here, and if I don’t agree with something, I’ll step in and say I don’t.
15 Aug 2010, 12:26 pm
i am thrilled about PDV s stance on Smit at tighthead. Thenext question should have been would PDV consider Plod at loosehead…..that is my burning concern.
15 Aug 2010, 12:31 pm
i was at Newlands yesterday…..congrats AC and the boys, also watched the second half of the u 21 game that wp also won….
But….have to say it was a truly brave and defiant performance by the bulls…..really hung in bravely and tackled like trojans…..it was a test like atmosphere….personally i was relieved to get the win…..although deservedly so, a fine performance by 2 teams that know how to defend.
Standouts for me…Duanne Vermeulen…..surely better than Spies…..Brock Harris….P Louw and Koster….
Bul;ls had a few heroes….Van Velze,Juandre Kruger [ a huge game by him ] and dewalt potgieter …..
And i like the look of Watermeyer…
15 Aug 2010, 12:32 pm
kirchner also had a huge game
15 Aug 2010, 12:38 pm
see wp u 19 also beat bulls
clean sweep….augurs well for wp ….
Well done Rassie,AC and all the management
15 Aug 2010, 12:40 pm
what a weekend in propect next week!
Sharks …..WP…huge….In durban so it will take a lot to nil the running hot sharks….
Boks at Soccer city…..kiwis swaggering into town…..fantasic occassion.
15 Aug 2010, 12:40 pm
massive 48000 crowd at newlands yesterday….great atmosphere.
15 Aug 2010, 12:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-179:
“and suddenly there was nothing to play for except another Tri-Nations. What was there to motivate them internally to go that extra mile?”
Pieter de Villiers should be fired on the spot. Right now. Isn’t that his job? And he brags about his man-management skills. I don’t see that here.
He’s obviously not in charge – that’s as clear as daylight.
He’s a joke.
A clown.
15 Aug 2010, 12:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-179: Grant read that article. Good read. Also did you read the great article on Smit “Captain’s cap still fits” by Xabanisa on page 7? of the Sunday Times. Nice photo there of our Captain holding up the world cup up too.
Congrats to Province yesterday. Now for the big one at the Tank where the Sharks lay in wait
It should be a cracker.
15 Aug 2010, 12:49 pm
@grant10(grant10)-180: Grant PdV is going play John at Hooker so why ask about looshead? PdV will play Steenkamp there. Did your read that part where he says “John Smit is the best hooker in the country. His scrumming is beyond anything another hooker can give us. His basic job, throwing in, is good. When he runs with the ball he generates forward momentum” Well that says enough for me. PdV wants John at Hooker and I am pleased about that.
Also our top Boks will be rested for the eoyt. I have counted if they were rested after the CC until we leave for the eoyt it would be almost 8 weeks. I would have rested them there and taken them to the eoyt for the grand slam and taken some of the exciting youngsters coming through. Otherwise their rest will be far too long if they don’t play in the CC which they should not, must rest after the Tri-Nations.
15 Aug 2010, 12:49 pm
No doubt the biggest game of the weekend will be at the Shark Tank!
15 Aug 2010, 12:51 pm
@Puma(Puma)-187: hi Puma
Read it
You know i dont believe smit is there on merit…..lets see how he does on the home leg….when i see the young guns like burden, liebenberg, bissy, maku , gary botha i have my doubts about smit being reinforced…..and remember i am not a sentimentalist, so rread these platitudes with a sense of unease…..
But lets see what happens here at home…..just glad pdv has shelved the smit at 3….that was unbearable for me!
Ka….Sat will be very interesting….sharks must be favorites, hell they playing great rugby at the moment….no place for smit in that team….not with the high tempo game that is serving sharks so well at the moment.
I am sure Durban will be ezpectant….and i hope its a full house like newlands yesterday.
15 Aug 2010, 12:52 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-146: You missing the point boyo, the discussion was about which team would be strengthened more by the return of the boks, so you look at the list of returning WP players and say that they are going to be less effective than the returning bulls plodders, dream on!!
15 Aug 2010, 12:54 pm
@grant10(grant10)-190: Grant the Tank will be fullhouse, well it normally is when we play Bulls or Province. Only thing our game comes after the Boks game and I know a few flying up to FNB to watch the Boks game there. So hoping it will be fullhouse but think it will be.
Should be a cracker. Sharks are playing some really exciting rugby but so too are WP. Going to be a great match up I think.
15 Aug 2010, 12:54 pm
@Puma(Puma)-188: it is a pity the main manne will be rested for eoyt, A Grand Slam is a helleva prospect, but it seems to be the case…..some decent young talent, not sure they can win a Slam, but if we mindful of conditions up North we can be more than competetive.
15 Aug 2010, 13:00 pm
@grant10(grant10)-193: Yeah, Think this would be the last chance for these players to ever play in a grand slam. If they are rested after the Tri-Nations and no CC that would mean about a 4 months rest, for me that is far too long and it will actually work against them. They wont be up to speed then. If they rest after the Tri-Nations and no CC they would get about a 8 week rest. Then after the eoyt rest for at least another 6 weeks even if they miss some of the S15. That would be the way I would go with the team. Break up the rests it works better for the body than one huge rest.
Also I always want to see our best playing. We do have some super exciting players coming through but this is a massive tour coming up. I look on it like as much as the world cup, playing ABs and the Lions. So hoping we not just making this tour cheap by not sending our best. Then who knows our youngsters could win it too. But doubt it though. You need some experience with youth.
15 Aug 2010, 13:02 pm
WP were extremely naive yesterday by not taking 5 kickable penalties, Anton van Zyl’s explanation being that they wanted to reward their supporters with attractive rugby. We should have had 30 points on the board, denying the bulls a losing bonus point, that would have made their supporters even happier.
15 Aug 2010, 13:03 pm
a young squad for eoyt should look a bit like this ….imo
15 F Steyn / Aplon
wings…JPP…B Basson…Mvovo
centres….JDV….JDJ….JF….
10 s Butch….P Grant…Lambie
9 F Hougaard…J Vermaak…
loosies…. W alberts….D Vermeulen….Kanko
L Watson…Brussow…J Smith…F louw
Locks….B BOtha…J Kruger….S Sykes…A Hargreaves
Looseheads….Guthro….Beast
Tightheads….BJ….CJ
hOOKERS bISSY…CHILLIBOY
15 Aug 2010, 13:04 pm
@Puma(Puma)-194: JA
ITS A FINE BALANCING ACT
Sorry caps
15 Aug 2010, 13:04 pm
@grant10(grant10)-193: What are your thoughts of Province moving over to the New Green Point Stadium? I feel we should use these magnificent stadiums. I would like the Sharks to move over to MM Stadium. After going to watch the Portugal/Brazil game there thought what the heck are we waiting for. We must move over the road to this awesome stadium and start using it. Think all the new stadiums should be used and let us say goodbye to the very old and out of date stadiums.
15 Aug 2010, 13:08 pm
@Puma(Puma)-198: i agree 100 %. Sat in huge traffic yeaterday….Justrugby and i chatted about just that….i am all for the move….its a waste of a great new beautiful stadium…..i am sure it will happen….matter of time.
15 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
@modawg(modawg)-195:
True, it was plain stupid – and it nearly cost us the game.
The Bulls were “lifted” when they managed to defend their line with only 14 on the field and came back much stronger after that.
If you have the best place kicker in the competition in your team you have to make use of him in tight matches.
15 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
@grant10(grant10)-196: would also like to find a spot for steggmann in the mix…
15 Aug 2010, 13:10 pm
@grant10(grant10)-196: Agree with some of those selections but not all. Butch does bring experience but we know what he can do. Would rather give Lambie a shot there or even Jantjies from the Lions. But Lambie has that BMT he has played S14 so maybe play him there.
Bissy needs to keep the discipline though Grant, he always gives away penalties. That is one part of his game that really spoils it for the team. He has had a long lay off so he can go on eoyt but keep the discipline. I also like Burden from the Sharks. He has impressed me huge this CC. Mvovo will take over from Habs after 2011 have no doubt. He must go on eoyt. What a fantastic player.
15 Aug 2010, 13:11 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-200: hi Rob….were you there?
Tough old fashoned battle….loved it!
15 Aug 2010, 13:12 pm
Cheers Grant, Out of here now. A beautiful day here to be sitting at the pc. Just a bit windy but full sun out.
15 Aug 2010, 13:14 pm
@Puma(Puma)-202: Bissy ….on form….a player that worrys the Kiwis….ask BP!
On form he is a huge factor at the breakdown…..a 4 th loosie …and strong as can be….i would always want a fit Bissy and Brussow in my team….terrorise the opposition at the breakdown….thats where Smit is not contributing….too damn slow and unfit, sad but ots the reality.
For me Smit a passenger….at best i would play him off the bench….it seems the high tempo ball in hand game is the way forward….and smit doesent suit this style…
15 Aug 2010, 13:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-203:
Hi Grant,
Unfortunately not, terribly busy lately, but watched on TV.
Yip, it was like the old days – North versus South.
Its great that WP could close out the game – during the last few years they (Stormers too) lost too many of the close ones.
What do you think of Koster’s performance yesterday?
15 Aug 2010, 13:15 pm
@Puma(Puma)-204: ja
i am off for a long walk too
Cheers
15 Aug 2010, 13:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-199: Before I go. I AGREE 100%. We MUST move over to the new Stadiums. They are magnficent. Not to be left empty and using the old out of date stadiums. So I for one hope the Sharks move over the road to MM. It is a beautiful stadium.
Okay now out of here. Catch up later.
15 Aug 2010, 13:16 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-206: Koster mixed it up well…..showed he is no ‘softie ‘…..kid will be a star…
have a good one rob…..dog giving me the look…cheers
15 Aug 2010, 13:19 pm
@grant10(grant10)-209:
I also think he carried well in the first half and put in a huge number of tackles in the second half.
Personally I would like to see Hoffman getting more starts at no 9 and cannot understand why Engelbrecht does not even make the bench.
See U then, enjoy.
15 Aug 2010, 13:25 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-200: The bulls were definitely lifted after their excellent defensive effort in the first half and well done to them, and after the Leopards scored 4 tries against the bulls last week, it’s a bit embarrassing.
The pressure should have been converted into points, granted, van Zyl is a pretty new captain, but what were the instructions coming from the bench during this period? What should have been a win at a canter turned out to be a struggle.
The sharks aren’t going to let us get away with these bad tactics next week.
15 Aug 2010, 13:27 pm
I’m amused and saddened seeing how arch muppeteers gwanty and snoottie rubbish Spies and sing Vermeulen’s praises. Without doubt Vermeulen would not disgrace a Bok jersey given the right role.
But, what happened the last time (or 2 times?) these two met?
15 Aug 2010, 13:34 pm
There PDivvy, you have it now. Defense is not a mystric art. It is a mindset. Yes, you can organize it and structure it to an extent, but in the final analysis it is about bodies on the line. No need for no Nienaber bulldust or anything. If Gary Gold cannot command enough respect from the players for them to defend like the Bulls and Province did yesterday, you know what to do. The Bulls youngsters especially showed you the rush defence works. Get in their faces and knock them over. All the Province guys are mighty relieved about this win and are already talking about semis and meeting there again, which is highly likely, but they forget that there is still the small matter of the return leg before the semis at Loftus, so claiming the high ground is a little premature. Homefield is always gonna be a factor, and quite honestly, as you saw yesterday, it is to close to call. This coming weekend you need to get past the Sharks and as you saw in the Bulls/Leopards game last week, the Lions/Cheetahs game this week, etc. the team that pitches up wins So I guess the trick for AC is to get his guys to pitch from here on in until semitime, and that will be no mean feat.
15 Aug 2010, 13:34 pm
@modawg(modawg)-211:
It seems as if the captain makes the calls most of the times as whether to go for posts or to try and score a try.I remember that Luke also preferred to go for the tries on many occasions last year while Schalk ( captaining the Stormers) nearly always took the 3 points.
Next week should be very close – will be interesting to see if the Sharks’ new “attacking fast paced game” works against a proper defence.
15 Aug 2010, 13:40 pm
@husky(husky)-212:
I cannot recall that Spies ever comprehensively outplayed Vermeulen.
The fact is that Spies fades in tough hard encounters when his forwards do not dominate and it might be worthwhile to try a more physical player like Vermeulen. Sadly, PdiV (or his handlers) , seems to have decided to go with Spies comes hell or high water.
15 Aug 2010, 13:48 pm
@grant10(grant10)-209: Never ignore the look from the dog
There will have been around a month’s break between the coming Kiwi match and the last time we played. Why have the Keo crowd not given us stories over fitness training etc…
15 Aug 2010, 13:54 pm
puma you still around
i just did an article on FRANS STEYN , and i dont agree with all Div has to say
he talks a hell of a lot , but there is a lot of fingers pointing his way when it comes to actually doing things
15 Aug 2010, 13:56 pm
or shall we say not doing the things he says he will or is meant to
15 Aug 2010, 13:57 pm
Rugby reality will win latest Sanzar spat
Aug 14, 2010 10:51 PM | By LIAM DEL CARME
South African rugby is exploring the possibility of terminating their alliance with New Zealand and Australiabecause the relationship with their Sanzar partners is so strained.
The executive council of the SA Rugby Union this week expressed the view that alternatives to the Tri-Nations and Super rugby tournaments needed to be explored from 2015 when a broadcast deal with the rugby unions of New Zealand and Australia expires.
“The council gave the instruction that we should look at other possibilities beyond 2015,” said chairman of the board Dr Jan Marais.
“We can’t do anything about the current agreement because we are locked in until the contract expires. However, there is the strong feeling that we should at least look at possibilities we can explore at the conclusion of our current broadcasting deal.”
Saru’s relationship with New Zealand and Australia has deteriorated to such an extent during this year’s Tri-Nations tournament that local rugby bosses insisted SA’s standing as the major revenue generator in Sanzar be re-emphasised.
The relationship has reached an all-time low following:
the Springboks’ persistent complaints about the referees in the away leg of the Tri-Nations;
the resultant charge of misconduct against Springbok coach Peter de Villiers;
disciplinary hearings that seemed to go against SA players and
Sanzar’s letter seeking clarification on Saru president Oregan Hoskins’s supposed “declaration of war” comments.
Asked whether SA would be predisposed to continuing their alliance after 2015 in the current climate of disaffection, Marais said: “We won’t automatically opt for a renewal of the current deal. I think by then anyway we’ll have new people running the game but given the present climate we have at least decided to start looking at options.”
Marais indicated Saru was pursuing “nothing concrete” by way of alternatives to the Tri-Nations and Super rugby competitions at the moment.
As rocky as the relationship may be, strain in the Sanzar alliance is not uncommon.
Hoskins intimated as much when he suggested news of Sanzar’s imminent demise was greatly exaggerated.
“Vodacom Tri-Nations rugby is a robust game and we have robust conversations in the boardroom and occasionally knock each other down and have to pick each other up, dust ourselves off and get on with it. But it has been like that since day one,” said Hoskins.
“The bottom line is that this is the toughest rugby competition in the world and we’re fully part of it with our neighbours.
“In that spirit, we’ll be having discussions with New Zealand and Australia when they’re over here and after that we’ll get on with ensuring we continue to produce the best rugby tournaments in the world,” he said.
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Aug 15 2010 12:03:00 AM
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The Aussies and the Kiwis can easily do without the Boks — just as they did in the days before SA’s re-admission. But the Boks will grow weak and feeble on their own. And, no, forget about joining up with Europe — they’ve already got all the competition they need. The Boks will be opting for isolation if they drop out of Sanzar.
15 Aug 2010, 13:59 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-218:
He has no clue and the sooner he goes the better for everyone including himself.
15 Aug 2010, 14:02 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-220: hiyas Rob
I have never been one against PDiv but things are starting to show that he is all mouth
i hope i am wrong , but it does not seem so
but one3 cannot only blame PDiv , the selectors and saru are just as much to blame
15 Aug 2010, 14:03 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-220: next weekend , sharks , wp gonna be on heck of a game
15 Aug 2010, 14:15 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-222: just read your arcticle…..you should put it up here SL…
Bloody shameful treatment …..what the hell is PDV up to?
15 Aug 2010, 14:16 pm
@JL1(JL1)-219: Best news i have read in a long time…..
Go North….this Sanzar thing doomed to failure from word go….
15 Aug 2010, 14:20 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-221:
I was also a supporter of Pdv and has given him the benefit of the doubt and defended him on many occasions.
I have since given up on him, but you are right, it’s probably not only his fault but I do not think he is strong and good enough enough to handle the job and should take most of the blame for the fact that the Boks have lost ground to the Kiwi’s and Aussies.
Next weekend should be a humdinger, I think the Sharks will be favourites on their homeground.
15 Aug 2010, 14:20 pm
@grant10(grant10)-223: grant its very clear saru and pdiv is behind the problems
it has to stop
no wonder we are losing the players we are
no country can afford to throw away talents like steyn ruan etc
15 Aug 2010, 14:23 pm
steyn pays his own way to play for his country yet gets insulted on sites like this by idiots who assume he does not want to play for his country
saru does not even comply to IRB regulations and quietly just sit back and lets the player take the blame
head of selectors lets steyn know he wont be needed till end of the year, just to get a sudden call up
the list goes on
15 Aug 2010, 14:24 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-225: wp still unbeaten , so they should be favourites
15 Aug 2010, 14:27 pm
i also firmly backed PDV
No more though…..he sold out imo.
15 Aug 2010, 14:27 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-228: not in Durban.
WP will struggle there.
15 Aug 2010, 14:29 pm
very happy for the lions.
Shows you what a world class coach can do.
15 Aug 2010, 14:31 pm
well may the best team win
play clean play fair , and score the points i say
15 Aug 2010, 14:46 pm
Here’s my team for the world cup team next year:
15.) Frans Steyn (although I don’t like him)/Joe Pietersen
14.) JP Pietersen/Lionel Mapoe
13.) Jacque Fourie/Juan de Jongh
12.) Jean de Villiers/Peter Grant
11.) Bryan Habana/Gio Aplon
10.) Morn Steyn/Butch James
9.) Fourie du Preez/Dewald Duvenage
8.) Pierre Spies/Duane Vermeulen
7.) Juan Smith/Franois Louw
6.) Schalk Burger/Heinrich Brussouw
5.) Victor Matfield/Andriess Bekker
4.) Bakkies Botha/Flip van der Merwe
3.) CJ van der Linde/Jannie Du Plessis
2.) John Smit/Tiaan Liebenberg
1.) Beast Mtawaria/Wicus Blaauw
I think they should be given a rest and do condition until the Super 15.
15 Aug 2010, 14:49 pm
Many gave PDIv the benefit of the doubt, it is now clear for all to see that PDIv needs to go
The fish has rotted from the head down and his boss also seems to need to go
15 Aug 2010, 14:50 pm
@JL1(JL1)-234: hiyas jli
i am starting to believe you are right lol
15 Aug 2010, 14:54 pm
@JL1(JL1)-234: no doubt we will be branded racist by some later as we said something negative about a fellow of colour
15 Aug 2010, 15:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-236:
Well, I don’t see you jumping up and down that Naka Drotske should be fired!! Nope. Heyneke Meyer took 7 years to build the Bulls team. In that time he was fired twice. Frans Ludeke, got fire from the Lions…THE FREAKING LIONS!! ANybody who knows something about rugby knows that the rugby works in cycles. This year is the All Blacks here.
When PDV applied for the Stormers job it was given to Kobus van der Merwe! Kobus van der freakin Merwe.
15 Aug 2010, 15:06 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-237: where did i say he must get fired
you my friend are very arrogant and assuming
but he is responsible for the lies he spews , noone told hiom to spew BS
and lastlt wtf does naka have to do with the NATIONAL TEAM ??
then again because its a coloured fellow ur tail is up//
you hace a flucking blue gum tree on ur shoulder dude , get it off it sure must be getting heavy
15 Aug 2010, 15:08 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-237: who gives a **** about wp or bulls or what ever province??
you dare compare the national team to a province??
ya nee rugby writer se gat
15 Aug 2010, 15:08 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-238:
Ok, so why are you on PDV’s case? Because English is not his first language. Try being fluent in Xhosa and coach the national team.
15 Aug 2010, 15:14 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-240:
i am on pdv s case because he insists on playing a washed up plod
because he continues to stick with Spies….and sommer adds kanko with spies to the loosetrio!
No fetcher…
A slow and fat Januarie….
The 1 dimensional WO and M Steyn
My list goes on….and on…PDV is the boss my man….he must sort the kak…its called accountaability
15 Aug 2010, 15:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-241: not to mention the lack of any discernible game plan….and the treatment of f steyn
15 Aug 2010, 15:16 pm
@grant10(grant10)-242: and the lack of discipine in the team….the media gaffes….
15 Aug 2010, 15:18 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-233:
mostly there but some glaring ommissions.
no danie roussow
or Hougaard
Kirchener way better than Pieterson regardless of what Keo’s opinion is.
Lambie before Grant
likewise no Potgieter…way more versatile than Louw as a back up.
Mapoe hasn’t played in months so I’d be interested in seeing him before selecting him.
It’s pretty early to be naming back up players really.
not sure we could afford to carry Butch but he is versatile and could be an option at 12.
15 Aug 2010, 15:19 pm
the claims that the bok team are not on the same page….after 7 tests!!! Baffles me!
15 Aug 2010, 15:22 pm
@grant10(grant10)-241:
morne steyn set a new super 14 record just 3 months ago.
You’re a little bizzarre really.
If a coach doesn’t select exactly your preffered players…..then he’s rubbish?
that’s just dof.
PS: Spies and Olivier helped carry the bulls to theri 3 rd superrugby triumph.
Something Vermuleun and DeJong were incapable of doing.
….I thought picking form players was important to you?
15 Aug 2010, 15:25 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-240: no purely because he is not doing his job
NOR IS SARU
i have never been on PDIVS case before ,but things are getting out of hand
what has his poor performance got to do with colour or language????
15 Aug 2010, 15:25 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-246: MS has proved 1 thing….at loftus …ay altitude…king
Away from SA….rather ordinary.
Spies is a weak link….
Sat a watershed game for boks …lets see…
15 Aug 2010, 15:27 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-246: if we had to pick form players the team for sat would look rather different from the team that pdv will announce tues….thats for damn sure
15 Aug 2010, 15:28 pm
rugby student i see it did not take long for you to make this a race issue
PDIV is failing , have the balls to admit it
jusy like streauli and others failed
15 Aug 2010, 15:29 pm
going to watch the wp …bulls game again
Nice to se teams that know how to defend and play with passion.
Hope boks are watching.
Cheers
15 Aug 2010, 15:30 pm
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-240:
“Try being fluent in Xhosa and coach the national team.”
PDV is Dutch/Malay and speaks Afrikaans.
15 Aug 2010, 15:32 pm
here is a fact
and no grant its not smit thats the problem , infact again its smit and co thats demended steyns inclusion , they know his worth to the team
1)bulls players as a unit , super 14 champs and on form
2) stormers 2nd in super 14 and 1st in currie cup at present
3) sharks on form won last 8 of 9 super 14 games , yes whipped the stormers etc , along with the wp the form team in the currie cup
now all these players showing form under other coaches etc , we as a nation stood tall in the super 14 etc
the same form players have suddenly gone bad in the bok setup ?????
there lies the problem
15 Aug 2010, 15:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-241: hey crazy …dont know about the fetch story maybe we need one maybe we dont ,maybe we just need to protect our ball better ,tighten up around the breakdown ,make ball retension a priority (take a look at the bulls tactic for the last like 100 years :p) maybe and if thats the case then it all boils down to lack of technical input and any form of analysis of opp team ,maybe the loose trio ,regardless of who they are should follow matfields exmample and study the countless 100s of scenarios of any of the games breakdowns and formulate a stratergy -my thoughts on potgieter ,youre favourite ,his only argument is his linking skill at the back of the scrum -in that case why not have daniels ,based on current form (i know it sounds biased)arguably one of the most underated and dynamic forwards in the country if not world rugby but the only concern is maybe he will dissapear in a tight game ,who knows ..
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-246: Good point ,although wynand is over the hill and not good enough to be a test center -there is actually not much that sets him apart from guys like morgan ,corne uys, swanepoel and struass
15 Aug 2010, 15:35 pm
@money_man(money_man)-252: MM as you can see this fellow had no answer so he made it a race issue
very very sad
15 Aug 2010, 15:39 pm
@JL1(JL1)-219: It’s a pity we can’t just give SANZAR the finger right now, f c u k’em, no matter what they say, it doesn’t take a genius to see that SA keep on getting screwed with refereeing, judicial decisions etc.
It’s obvious that the “get the yarpies” mentality is still good and strong.
15 Aug 2010, 15:40 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-255: Where can I read your article?
15 Aug 2010, 15:55 pm
rugby-talk.com
15 Aug 2010, 15:57 pm
now i again am not saying fire PDiv
its a bit late for drastics now
but he and saru need to own up and stop the BS
have the balls to admit they are doing wrong , correct the issues and move on
but solve it they must
15 Aug 2010, 16:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-259:
It’s against the constitution to fess up…
15 Aug 2010, 16:09 pm
And the debate rages on, not too sure why?
The home team won by one penalty kick, no try scored, so what kind of conclusion are we supposed to take away from that game?
The coming home tests means nothing to the opposition, only the rugby columns here will be full of the Boks’ latest heroics and it will be fun to see them whacking the ABs and spanking the haoeless Wallabies.
We are in a need of fresh, knowledgeable and bold ideas.
15 Aug 2010, 16:21 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-259:
Please be a bit specific, exactly what did you refer to as a’BS’, what issues need to be addressed?
15 Aug 2010, 18:05 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-261: You sound like you think our home test victories are a foregone conclusion?? I hope you are right, just for a start, if the boks don’t start showing 500% more commitment in the tackle than they did in NZ/OZ then we can forget about any victories in our home games.
I hope they had the good sense to bring in a defensive coach.
15 Aug 2010, 18:11 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-258: Sharky I read it. It is now also on Rugby365. Frans Steyn said “He would die on the field to play for South Africa” So what PdV said about him not wanting to play for SA is a whole load of hogwash rubbish. Fransie also paid his own fair to come here to play for the Boks. We need him to play end of story.
Read a great article today in the Tribune today written by David Berman. If you can go read it. He talks about Fransie there and makes plenty sense.
15 Aug 2010, 18:18 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-258: Why does the article on Steyn say that he came to SA to play against wales at his own expense?
Wasn’t the game and preparation in Wales?
15 Aug 2010, 18:22 pm
@modawg(modawg)-265: Think they done some training here before leaving for Wales.
15 Aug 2010, 18:41 pm
@modawg(modawg)-265: like puma said , they had to get together in SA first , the depart for wales
Hondo go read the article i did or the one on 365 and it will explain the BS i speak of
BS anyhows is the not doing things right by players or things a union should do
dont bad mouth one of your players if you yourself is to blame
that kind of BS ya know???
15 Aug 2010, 18:42 pm
@Puma(Puma)-264: puma bro exactly
its not only pdivvy though , even though he is spewing the ****
saru really needs to get their house in order
15 Aug 2010, 18:44 pm
as for the bulls wp game , i didnt get to watch the whole game , but from what i saw it was hard and uncomprimising , but the best team won on the day
all be it just , a win is a win
congrats to the winners
15 Aug 2010, 18:45 pm
@modawg(modawg)-265: it says that because its the truth
he paid his own way
15 Aug 2010, 18:46 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-267: Jeez, what an amateur bok setup, with the players having to pay their own travel expenses, I wonder if the other overseas based players also had to pay their own way??
Bunch of el cheap-ous!!
15 Aug 2010, 18:51 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-268: Agree Sharky, Saru has to pull themselves up there. Something not right. Especially to speak about this Frans while he is not even here. Not good at all.
You should try and read that article by David Berman in the Tribune if you can. That article makes sense brudda, it hits home for sure. We need to get Frans Steyn back and play him. Zane is not our man for FB not at all. This Saturday think play Aplon there.
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-269: Sharky can’t wait for the Sharks/WP game next week. Should be a cracker.
15 Aug 2010, 18:52 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-269: The frustrating thing about the WP/BULLS game is that WP left the door wide open for the bulls by not taking the points on offer, passing up 5 easy (for de Waal) kickable opportunities at the posts, smacks of either arrogance or naivety. WP should have denied the bulls a bonus point because they didn’t deserve anything out of the game with their “all blacks” style of killing the ball that Marius Joubert allowed them to get away with all game.
15 Aug 2010, 18:53 pm
@modawg(modawg)-271: You can say that again. How Frans had to pay his own way here is out of order really.
15 Aug 2010, 19:07 pm
@Puma(Puma)-274: I ont think it’ the case with all the players playing in Europe.
Poblem is there is not unity in the way of thinking with SARU personel and it shows the way each ones seems to do or say as he pleases
For me what PDiv is doing very wrong , is the making of public statements when he himself infact is in the wrong , this surely cannot be good for the Bok team
Also one begs the question of why does it take senior players to demand his inclussion , and forget about what some clowns in here saying he is a bad influence and a big head and blah blah blah
I have had the honour of meeting steyn and he is a tremendous kid, that still shows good values
all he wants to do is play rugby
And if the selectors dont want to select him no problem , but why then publicly try humiliate him with rash statements
leave him be and move on , or show some back bone and select him, and do it the right way , and work through his employers . they do after all pay him what he is worth
something that is not done locally ,
some how it seems our arrogant saru and coach think they do not need to abide by the IRB rules
15 Aug 2010, 19:12 pm
@Puma(Puma)-274:
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-270: @modawg(modawg)-271:
Sharkie, i read your article – good read.
What came out of it was this.
Firstly, SARU, possibly in conjuction with PDiv, failed to get clearance from Steyn’s club Racing Metro for him to play for the Boks against Wales. Pierre Berbezier clearly told Steyn that the correct protocols were not followed. He did not say that Steyn could not represent his country or that they would stand in his way.
Secondly, didn’t SARU again fail to observe the 14-day clearance from Racing Metro for Fransie to play in the Tri-nations this weekend?
One lesson I’ve learnt in life is that everyone makes mistakes. But only a fool makes the same mistake twice.
And that within 3 months.
It begs the question, who’s the fool?
15 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
@Puma(Puma)-274: did joe van niekerk pay his own way to get here too? Has Saru confirmed that indeed frans paid his own airfare and the reason why that happened?
Between yourself and sharks_lover you don’t have a semblance of objectivity when it comes to francois steyn, so your views are always clouded
15 Aug 2010, 19:18 pm
Frans just forgot to turn in his expense claim form…that’s all
You okes are such drama queens.
15 Aug 2010, 19:20 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-277: transie we are objective , you aint
15 Aug 2010, 19:21 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-278: now go change ur nappy
15 Aug 2010, 19:29 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-278:
Forget about the expense claim. The thing that I can’t understand is for SARU not following the correct protocols in obtaining Steyn’s release, twice.
15 Aug 2010, 19:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-277: And Transie you sit in the clouds
How was Bafana the other night? Did you watch? I went out and never saw that game against Ghana. Did Ghana have a full strength side? Really want to get into seeing more soccer from now too. So enjoyed the world cupl
15 Aug 2010, 19:31 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-281: Yes, doesn’t look good.
15 Aug 2010, 19:31 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-281: exactly , thats the main point i was referring to also
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-275: in this post
remember also the butch james saga , wrong protocols followed
or non followed at all
15 Aug 2010, 19:32 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-281: Exactly.
15 Aug 2010, 19:36 pm
@Puma(Puma)-285: puma mate what happened of the other site???
i dont see you there??
15 Aug 2010, 19:37 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-275: Sharky agree, don’t think PdV should be speaking about Fransie to the press. Not fair really while he is not even here to defend himself.
Just pleased that once again the senior players play a roll in getting Frans back here, when he should have been playing all the time after the Wales game.
For me we need Steyn for the world cup. No ifs or butts. He is our man for FB no question. Zane is good but not in the class of Fransie.
How I wish you could read that article by Berman. It was damn good with humour too.
15 Aug 2010, 19:37 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-286: Long story, but I will be back.
15 Aug 2010, 19:39 pm
@Puma(Puma)-287: well bro you could scan and email me lol
i only have accesss to the daily news with subscription
or sit and type it all to me
15 Aug 2010, 19:39 pm
@Puma(Puma)-288: good , dont let asses get to you bro,
15 Aug 2010, 19:42 pm
@Puma(Puma)-282: yeah they played well puma, the new coach seems to be pragmatic, making necessary changes to the world cup team and trying new players. Good start against ghana.
Puma, where did you get that Francois paid for his own flights, and is he the 1st player to ever do that?
15 Aug 2010, 19:44 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-259: Hi SL
It is never too late to get rid of PDV.A new coach will have loads of time to build a team
15 Aug 2010, 19:45 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-291: transie go read the article on 365
and of course we not sure if he is the only or first player to do so
but if he did not want to play for the boks as the coach says , why on earth go through the expense he did ???
come now transie even you cant be that stupid ????
and no , i actually dont think ur that stupid , but just a tad protective of the bloke of colour taking critism
:
15 Aug 2010, 19:47 pm
@JL1(JL1)-292: nope i guess not , i am just trying to see how to solve the problem rather then be drastic
but saru now needs to wake and do the work they are paid to do
15 Aug 2010, 19:53 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-293: please slow down on the proclamations on intelligence, you should know better!.
I’ll check out 365
15 Aug 2010, 19:53 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-291: Read that on Rugby365 that he paid his own way here.
Pleased Bafana won. Good start for the new coach. See some of our players might go and play overseas. Read Rangers in Scotland are interested in 2 players. Forget how to spell their names. Sorry I will get used to seeing their names as will be watching everytime Bafana play from now.
15 Aug 2010, 19:55 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-289: I will scan it and send it to you Sharky. Will send it to you through Rudi. He has your addie.
15 Aug 2010, 19:56 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-294: SARU is doing well,
mess up with administration,
over play our players,
appoint quota coaches and then admitting to it,
getting shafted by SANZAR,
adding test matches to a busy schedule for more money
not having a defence coach employed
Employing Tom, Diek and Harry as assistants
15 Aug 2010, 20:01 pm
@JL1(JL1)-298: JL1 you summed it up well there.
Okay I am out of here. Cheers all catch up during the week.
15 Aug 2010, 20:03 pm
@Puma(Puma)-297: get my email from rudi and mail me bro , i will email you back with my cell no , can call me anytime bro
but thanks will enjoy the article ,
like JLI says above , its not only Pdiv , but SARU in a whole thats stuffing up in maany ways
15 Aug 2010, 20:05 pm
@JL1(JL1)-298:Jeez JL, I was having a pretty good day until I read your summary of events. Think I need a strong drink to recover my senses.
15 Aug 2010, 20:08 pm
pay your own way my arse…
what is the price of an easyjet ticket from Paris to Cardiff?
on a 750,000 a year pay packet.
crymeafuckingriver…
15 Aug 2010, 20:09 pm
so where to from here bok supporters? Are we staring down an abyss? Or is this a temporary glitch?
15 Aug 2010, 20:10 pm
sorry paid his own way to sa?
he is a foreign-based player?
the other overseas players would have had to do the same?
crymeanotherfuckingriver…
15 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
@gunther(gunther)-304: its not about the money
15 Aug 2010, 20:14 pm
@gunther(gunther)-304: its about saru and our coach and selectors not doing their work
but him paying his own way also shows his loyalty
think about it , if he had no wish to play for the boks why on earth did he go through the expense ???
15 Aug 2010, 20:15 pm
Sharkie
Hiyas bro ^5
Is he the only one?
15 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
I am sure he wants to play for sa.
Just as sure as I am that his worm of an agent leaked this juicy little titbit.
15 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
@gunther(gunther)-302:
Gunther, the expense claim is a minor issue if an issue at all.
The main point here is the lack of professionalism at SARU in not following the correct protocols in obtaining Steyn’s release on two occasions. The Welsh test and this one coming up.
If we want to include guys from the NH we just have to follow the rules.
And it makes us look like a bunch of jerks.
15 Aug 2010, 20:20 pm
look you guys can make of this what you like. At the end of the day, the Bok management has to do what’s good for the team. Fransie is a laaitjie, a very talented one but a laaitjie nevertheless. So, he needs to be managed in a certain way. When I read these reports about Fransie these days, what immediately springs to mind is: the ‘tail wagging the dog’ syndrome. Maybe we’ll get the best out of Fransie yet. Now that he’s matured a bit. We’d all like him to be wearing the number green 15 jersey again but for my money, in the right frame of mind.
15 Aug 2010, 20:23 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-309:
saru maintained they have followed the rules…
mny impeccable sources tell me frankies agent is a huge great hairy spannner in the works…
15 Aug 2010, 20:24 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-301: I walk with a half jack on me every day, I take a swig as soon as I open the Keo site
Just to calm my nerves when I see what the Ringmaster has done
15 Aug 2010, 20:25 pm
crymeanotherfuckingriver…
there I have solved sa’s water problems…
he who pays the piper calls the tune…
15 Aug 2010, 20:26 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-309: I’ll need you to explain this to me because I don’t understand what happened in terms of the protocols. Sure I’m aware FS played in the Welsh Test but I’m unaware of the other bits, behind the scenes.
15 Aug 2010, 20:30 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-309: is that pdv’s fault or andy marinos’ baby ie arranging the paperwork to the FFR 2 weeks before any Test, book flights for francois steyn.
15 Aug 2010, 20:31 pm
Question:Please let us know when you will (put) the petty personal issues aside and select the best fullback talent we have had in years. Frans (Steyn) is the most talented player since Naas Botha, but you let your personal feelings get in the way of us winning the 3N and the WC. You are supposedly to be objective, clearly not. Dawid Louw
Peter replies: Dawid, I am glad you asked that question. Thanks to Steven Hapelt, Gerrit Conradie, Mandy Kotze, Simon Clements and Jacques Harmse too for asking about Frans. There are no problems between Frans and I and I certainly do not have “petty” issues with him. I will never deny any player the opportunity of playing for his country. The truth is that Frans was only available for the Wales Test. Further discussion is needed with his club and agent about future availability and this is being dealt with presently. You have fallen for the perception created in the media that there may be issues between myself and the player which is untrue.
This is also not true, or PDV is being kept in the dark and fed sht all the time
15 Aug 2010, 20:33 pm
@gunther(gunther)-311: Marinos contends that because he was a late call up to an existing squad that the same rules are not applicable. He may be right, who knows?
15 Aug 2010, 20:33 pm
@JL1(JL1)-312: only a half? I’ve already uncorked a 750ml of the Cape’s finest. And that’s just to line the stomach.
15 Aug 2010, 20:36 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-317:
in the words of the great billy joel..
you may be right
I might be crazy
but it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for…
15 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-314:
Read the article on rugby 365 by Sharkie or on rugby talk.
Pierre Berbizier, director or Rugby at Racing Metro, gave Steyn a tounge lashing after the test against Wales. Steyn was under the impression that SARU had applied for his release for international duty but guess what. SARU hadn’t. Racing Metro said they won’t stand in Steyn’s way of representing his country as long as the correct protocols are followed.
And now, for this test, as you know , the 14-day rule wasn’t adhered to.
15 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-318:
tassies?
15 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
look who knows the real story? The point is, whether FS is available or not, we should be competitive against whoever is put in front of us. The fact that we are not(currently) begs another question. Fransie is not going to be the saviour to all men. There are one or other other issues to solve first.
15 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
There is no 2 weeks notice that needs to be given to release a player that is all BS
Peter replies: Dawid, I am glad you asked that question. Thanks to Steven Hapelt, Gerrit Conradie, Mandy Kotze, Simon Clements and Jacques Harmse too for asking about Frans. There are no problems between Frans and I and I certainly do not have “petty” issues with him. I will never deny any player the opportunity of playing for his country. The truth is that Frans was only available for the Wales Test. Further discussion is needed with his club and agent about future availability and this is being dealt with presently. You have fallen for the perception created in the media that there may be issues between myself and the player which is untrue.
Here is IRB REG 9.5
When the Right to Release applies
9.5 The Right to Release for Matches shall apply to Designated Release
Events, Global Release Periods, Hemisphere Release Periods and from
June 1, 2012 to the Four Nations Release Period.
Gee seems pretty obvious doesn’t it… especially that part that says there is Hemisphere Release period…
I wonder what a “HEMPISPHERE RELEASE PERIOD is… shall we explore a little further…
Yes let’s do…
I know this is difficult but do try to follow… you’re really emabarrassing yourself in front of fellow bloggers…
Okay now we have established that nations can ask for players to release players in HEMISPHERE RELEASE PERIODS
First and second
What is a HEMISPHERE RELEASE PERIOD?
Which players can be selected?
Regulation 9.8(b)
(b) Southern Hemisphere Release Period
(i) The Right to Release for Matches shall apply to Players
who are eligible pursuant to Regulation 8 to represent the
senior, the next senior National Representative Team or
the Under 20 National Representative Team of a Southern
Hemisphere Union in a Southern Hemisphere International
Match, International Tour or International Tournament
during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
(ii) Unless Council approves otherwise the Southern
Hemisphere Release Period shall operate each year. It shall
commence on or around July 1 and shall conclude on or
around August 31. Players shall be released prior to the
Southern Hemisphere Release Period in accordance with
the provisions of Regulation 9.9.
(iii) Subject to the provisions of Regulation 9.32 during the
Southern Hemisphere Release Period Unions may only
exercise the Right to Release pursuant to this Regulation 9
for six weeks out of the nine week period. The six weeks
shall be the same weeks for each of the senior National
Representative Team, the next senior National
Representative Team and the Under 20 National
Representative Team.
119
REGULATION 9
(iv) Unless Council approves otherwise for the purposes of this
Regulation 9, Southern Hemisphere Union shall mean the
Unions listed in Appendix 2, Part A and Southern
Hemisphere International Match(es), International Tour or
International Tournament shall mean those Matches, Tours
or Tournaments listed in Appendix 2, Part B.
9.11
Limitation on release…
(b) For Southern Hemisphere Unions these 12 occasions will be taken
as follows:
(i) 3 Matches in the November Global Release Period.
(ii) 6 Matches during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
(iii) 6 Matches during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
The 12 occasions in respect of which the Right to Release may be
exercised shall be the same for each of the senior National Representative
Team, next senior National Representative Team and the Under 20
National Representative Team.
So let us conclude shall we
1. IRB says that National Unions have a right to obtain player releases for the Southern Hemisphere Release Period which is from more or less 1 July to more or less 31 August for six matches. Clubs MUST release players during these periods.
15 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
@gunther(gunther)-311:
yeah.
Mr twenty percent
15 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@gunther(gunther)-319:
15 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-324:
I tell the guy is a hacker…
Is he really looking after his client’s CAREER?
15 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-318: Bwahahah, I thought they serve those stomach liners in a 5l called:
Chateux Cardboard
15 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
@gunther(gunther)-319: Turn out the light
don’t try to save me
you may be wrong for all i know
but you may be right…..
Sounds quite apt dontcha think?
15 Aug 2010, 20:42 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-320: What 14 day rule?
15 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@JL1(JL1)-323: Very good JL. When I need to know the whole truth and nothing but….I know where to come knocking in future. So let collectively kick the agent’s butt because he should be looking after the player’s welfare and not his own(perhaps).
15 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@JL1(JL1)-327:
chateaux happybox..
I have an appointment with a bbq and a squid…
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-328:
zigactly…
15 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@JL1(JL1)-323: It’s so hard to read that sort of thing in isolation, without considering “practice agreements” which may be in place, or references to other clausses..Everyone is talking about a release notice period and noboddy at SARU is disputing that it exists so it must come from somewhere….
15 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-315:
If PDiv and his co-selectors say “we want Steyn in the squad” then SARU must make it happen.
But PDiv, and his co-horts, for that matter should understand different requirements exist when selecting a NH player. Maybe do their homework a bit better and understanding the overseas players club committments.
I don’t know if this 14-day rule applies to all overseas clubs or just the French ones.
15 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@JL1(JL1)-327: we’ve progressed JL. We’re even doing screw tops now. And I’m not talking about my namesake.
15 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@gunther(gunther)-331: try to enjoy the both without us Mr G. And make sure to drink plenty of H2O tonight like ma taught you or that head will be eina boetie. Just like mine was on saturday morning.
15 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
I think Steyn and his agent has been telling some porkies
15 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
and I’m outta here to read the Sunday Crimes, which has happily remained unattended so as not to depress me on my day of rest.
15 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-334: Screwtops, now have you ever, that spoils all the fun trying to squeeze that last glass out of the bag
15 Aug 2010, 20:56 pm
@gunther(gunther)-319: I echo your sentiments. And the piper is a bit of a prima donna as well.
Don’t get me wrong, Fransie is a great kid. “Oom and “Tannie” and perfect manners, friendly and all, but somewhere inside there is an individualistic, selfish streak that borders on a glaring F***-U ttitude.
And for an old-school coach stomaching all that might be asking a bit much. I know it would be for me as well.
So PDivvy- sympathy, my man.
15 Aug 2010, 21:01 pm
@catleya(catleya)-339: Having said that, I believe there is a definite place for him in the mix if that can be sorted. I reckon there is very little wrong with Zane K at the moment, so I see a role for Fransie at 14 to boost our back three or at 12 to play where he is playing now.
15 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
@JL1(JL1)-329:
This from a few day’s ago.
Frans Steyn won’t play against the All Blacks due to injury and eligibility problems.
Andy Marinos confirmed on Thursday that Steyn’s quad injury will rule him out of training until next Wednesday, only three days before the Test. However, there were also problems with the player being released by the FFR (Fédération Française de Rugby), as Saru failed to ask for the clearance request 14 days before the Test, as the French union wants.
15 Aug 2010, 21:37 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-341: its not only the french rugby federation , but an irb rule
15 Aug 2010, 21:39 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-342: But there is no mention of this in the IRB regulations
15 Aug 2010, 23:20 pm
Bulls should drop JLP and get Jaco in at 10. He is a much better running flyhalf.
15 Aug 2010, 23:54 pm
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-344:
don’t say that, skoppie rekons that JLP should be with the Boks.
16 Aug 2010, 11:11 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-132:
Its a sad day in SA rugby when a Bulls loss to Province makes a bulls supporter very proud. Nee man! Sies!
16 Aug 2010, 11:18 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-342: SARU wouldn’t have to answer to the FFR if the 3N was in an international test window, which as far as I’m aware it won’t be until 2012.
16 Aug 2010, 12:39 pm
@Breads(Breads)-346: Agreed. Well done to WP but as a Bulls supporter I always expect my team to win. Always. Proud of their defensive effort but the manner in which they kicked the ball away in the last 2 minutes was dissapointing, as if they setled for the bonus point.
16 Aug 2010, 12:52 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-347: BH ok so what you are saying we have to answer till 2012 then it will change as per the international test window??
16 Aug 2010, 13:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-349: as far as I’m aware the Tri Nations never needed to be an IRB test window because (unlike the NH with the club v country issues) NZ/Aus/SA could always guarantee the release of their players from their provinces for the 3N tests so they didn’t need the window.
I believe it was only with Argentina joining that required the 3N (now 4N) to be under a test window as the Argentine players mostly play for French clubs in Europe.
JL1′s post at 323 states the regs will apply from 1st June 2012, until then SA will have to hand in the 14 day requests to FFR and hope the clubs release the player.
Invariably the clubs will release the player, it’s not good business for them to upset their playing staff. They will however not be keen on releasing them early without sufficient notice (which I think is basically what happened here).
16 Aug 2010, 13:35 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-350: correct BG this is why i feel till they resolve it in the IRB , Saru should be doing their work till then , and the fact is yes in the TRI nations that does not fall under that test window things are different
however when we choose players that do fall under that window we should be doing whats right
Steyn is pain by the french club and not by SARU
thus SAru should adhere to the rules under which that player falls
16 Aug 2010, 13:36 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-351: pain =paid
16 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
what a kak game !! Bulls spoilt and nearly won the game thanks to Jonker who is not a bad ref but should have sorted out the spoiling tactics . The Bulls were offsides the whole game and deserved a few more yellow cards ………all credit vto nthe Bulls they hung in and showed a lot of guts !!
But hey , who cares its always nice to get one over the Bulls .
Go Province ………..Sharks is going to be tough , hopefully Kaplan gets the whistle ot Jason Jafte .
Sharks looking good but think WP will win …. good ref will make for a good game .
16 Aug 2010, 22:12 pm
The bulls only have themselves to blame for that defeat as their discipline was bloody pathetic the amount of penalties they gave away was shocking,their lineouts were poor their scrums average their backline play was non-existant and they have one of the fastest wings in the country in vd heever and the ball never goes to him what a waste.I hope stegmann returns soon because we really miss him.That was an opportunity missed to win at newlands one they might regret.
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