WP clinch Cape cracker
14 Aug 2010
JON CARDINELLI reports on WP’s 15-12 win over the Bulls in a bone-crunching and unforgettable derby at Newlands on Saturday.
The brutality of this contest was beautiful. Each collision appealed to the sick delight of the crowd, thousands of ‘ooohs’ quickly succeeded by a collective cry for more blood. This was Currie Cup combat at its best, as while the handling of both teams was below standard, the desire and intensity was spectacular.
Province enjoyed the majority of the possession in the first half, but the Bulls produced an inspirational display of defence to keep the hosts tryless. There were times when the Bully Boys lost their cool, the sin-binning of Gerhard van den Heever being a prime example. Amazingly, the visitors rallied together and kept a rampant WP at bay, finishing the period of sanction without conceding a solitary point.
Willem de Waal began this fixture in impressive form, and it surprised to see Anton van Zyl turning down kickable penalties as the Bulls repeatedly infringed. A promising movement from a set-piece deep in Bulls’ territory too often culminated in a knock on. You have to tip your hat to the Bulls defenders, but the fact that WP showed such a poor return for their first half possession was criminal.
Jacques-Louis Potgieter slotted the equaliser right after half-time as the Bulls played themselves back into the game. Tactically, Potgieter kicked cleverly, using the swirling wind to torment the WP back three. He was poorly supported in this facet, however. Zane Kirchner and scrumhalf Ruan Snyman failed to make telling kicking contributions, and the latter was under plenty of pressure at the base of the ruck.
WP did manage to penetrate the Bulls’ defence on occasion, Nick Koster’s incisive run after a well-taken lineout bringing the Newlands faithful to their feet. But poor hands cost them possession for the umpteenth time. WP’s lineouts were uncharacteristically inconsistent which also resulted in missed opportunities in Bulls’ territory. They held a slender 6-3 lead at the break when they should have been at least 10 points ahead.
But the Bulls were guilty of their own blunders, a decision to kick a penalty for touch backfiring horribly. Their maul from the lineout was marched back and possession conceded. This time WP’s defensive giants stood tall. That shaggy-haired monster, Duane Vermeulen, delivered some ball-jarring hits, as did former Blue Bull Frikkie Welsh.
A record Currie Cup crowd of over 47 000 were made to wait until the final quarter for the decisive blow. De Waal held his nerve to kick a 45m penalty before Potgieter missed one and then goaled another to leave the score at 12-9 with 10 minutes to play. De Waal’s fifth penalty was succeeded by another Potgieter goal, but that one miss proved to be the difference as WP played themselves into Bulls’ territory and killed the clock.
The result sees WP maintaining their unbeaten record and top position on the Currie Cup log. Their U19 and U21 teams also remain unbeaten after downing the Bulls juniors earlier on Saturday.
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15 Aug 2010, 20:05 pm
@JL1(JL1)-298:Jeez JL, I was having a pretty good day until I read your summary of events. Think I need a strong drink to recover my senses.
15 Aug 2010, 20:08 pm
pay your own way my arse…
what is the price of an easyjet ticket from Paris to Cardiff?
on a 750,000 a year pay packet.
crymeafuckingriver…
15 Aug 2010, 20:09 pm
so where to from here bok supporters? Are we staring down an abyss? Or is this a temporary glitch?
15 Aug 2010, 20:10 pm
sorry paid his own way to sa?
he is a foreign-based player?
the other overseas players would have had to do the same?
crymeanotherfuckingriver…
15 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
@gunther(gunther)-304: its not about the money
15 Aug 2010, 20:14 pm
@gunther(gunther)-304: its about saru and our coach and selectors not doing their work
but him paying his own way also shows his loyalty
think about it , if he had no wish to play for the boks why on earth did he go through the expense ???
15 Aug 2010, 20:15 pm
Sharkie
Hiyas bro ^5
Is he the only one?
15 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
I am sure he wants to play for sa.
Just as sure as I am that his worm of an agent leaked this juicy little titbit.
15 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
@gunther(gunther)-302:
Gunther, the expense claim is a minor issue if an issue at all.
The main point here is the lack of professionalism at SARU in not following the correct protocols in obtaining Steyn’s release on two occasions. The Welsh test and this one coming up.
If we want to include guys from the NH we just have to follow the rules.
And it makes us look like a bunch of jerks.
15 Aug 2010, 20:20 pm
look you guys can make of this what you like. At the end of the day, the Bok management has to do what’s good for the team. Fransie is a laaitjie, a very talented one but a laaitjie nevertheless. So, he needs to be managed in a certain way. When I read these reports about Fransie these days, what immediately springs to mind is: the ‘tail wagging the dog’ syndrome. Maybe we’ll get the best out of Fransie yet. Now that he’s matured a bit. We’d all like him to be wearing the number green 15 jersey again but for my money, in the right frame of mind.
15 Aug 2010, 20:23 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-309:
saru maintained they have followed the rules…
mny impeccable sources tell me frankies agent is a huge great hairy spannner in the works…
15 Aug 2010, 20:24 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-301: I walk with a half jack on me every day, I take a swig as soon as I open the Keo site
Just to calm my nerves when I see what the Ringmaster has done
15 Aug 2010, 20:25 pm
crymeanotherfuckingriver…
there I have solved sa’s water problems…
he who pays the piper calls the tune…
15 Aug 2010, 20:26 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-309: I’ll need you to explain this to me because I don’t understand what happened in terms of the protocols. Sure I’m aware FS played in the Welsh Test but I’m unaware of the other bits, behind the scenes.
15 Aug 2010, 20:30 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-309: is that pdv’s fault or andy marinos’ baby ie arranging the paperwork to the FFR 2 weeks before any Test, book flights for francois steyn.
15 Aug 2010, 20:31 pm
Question:Please let us know when you will (put) the petty personal issues aside and select the best fullback talent we have had in years. Frans (Steyn) is the most talented player since Naas Botha, but you let your personal feelings get in the way of us winning the 3N and the WC. You are supposedly to be objective, clearly not. Dawid Louw
Peter replies: Dawid, I am glad you asked that question. Thanks to Steven Hapelt, Gerrit Conradie, Mandy Kotze, Simon Clements and Jacques Harmse too for asking about Frans. There are no problems between Frans and I and I certainly do not have “petty” issues with him. I will never deny any player the opportunity of playing for his country. The truth is that Frans was only available for the Wales Test. Further discussion is needed with his club and agent about future availability and this is being dealt with presently. You have fallen for the perception created in the media that there may be issues between myself and the player which is untrue.
This is also not true, or PDV is being kept in the dark and fed sht all the time
15 Aug 2010, 20:33 pm
@gunther(gunther)-311: Marinos contends that because he was a late call up to an existing squad that the same rules are not applicable. He may be right, who knows?
15 Aug 2010, 20:33 pm
@JL1(JL1)-312: only a half? I’ve already uncorked a 750ml of the Cape’s finest. And that’s just to line the stomach.
15 Aug 2010, 20:36 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-317:
in the words of the great billy joel..
you may be right
I might be crazy
but it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for…
15 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-314:
Read the article on rugby 365 by Sharkie or on rugby talk.
Pierre Berbizier, director or Rugby at Racing Metro, gave Steyn a tounge lashing after the test against Wales. Steyn was under the impression that SARU had applied for his release for international duty but guess what. SARU hadn’t. Racing Metro said they won’t stand in Steyn’s way of representing his country as long as the correct protocols are followed.
And now, for this test, as you know , the 14-day rule wasn’t adhered to.
15 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-318:
tassies?
15 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
look who knows the real story? The point is, whether FS is available or not, we should be competitive against whoever is put in front of us. The fact that we are not(currently) begs another question. Fransie is not going to be the saviour to all men. There are one or other other issues to solve first.
15 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
There is no 2 weeks notice that needs to be given to release a player that is all BS
Peter replies: Dawid, I am glad you asked that question. Thanks to Steven Hapelt, Gerrit Conradie, Mandy Kotze, Simon Clements and Jacques Harmse too for asking about Frans. There are no problems between Frans and I and I certainly do not have “petty” issues with him. I will never deny any player the opportunity of playing for his country. The truth is that Frans was only available for the Wales Test. Further discussion is needed with his club and agent about future availability and this is being dealt with presently. You have fallen for the perception created in the media that there may be issues between myself and the player which is untrue.
Here is IRB REG 9.5
When the Right to Release applies
9.5 The Right to Release for Matches shall apply to Designated Release
Events, Global Release Periods, Hemisphere Release Periods and from
June 1, 2012 to the Four Nations Release Period.
Gee seems pretty obvious doesn’t it… especially that part that says there is Hemisphere Release period…
I wonder what a “HEMPISPHERE RELEASE PERIOD is… shall we explore a little further…
Yes let’s do…
I know this is difficult but do try to follow… you’re really emabarrassing yourself in front of fellow bloggers…
Okay now we have established that nations can ask for players to release players in HEMISPHERE RELEASE PERIODS
First and second
What is a HEMISPHERE RELEASE PERIOD?
Which players can be selected?
Regulation 9.8(b)
(b) Southern Hemisphere Release Period
(i) The Right to Release for Matches shall apply to Players
who are eligible pursuant to Regulation 8 to represent the
senior, the next senior National Representative Team or
the Under 20 National Representative Team of a Southern
Hemisphere Union in a Southern Hemisphere International
Match, International Tour or International Tournament
during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
(ii) Unless Council approves otherwise the Southern
Hemisphere Release Period shall operate each year. It shall
commence on or around July 1 and shall conclude on or
around August 31. Players shall be released prior to the
Southern Hemisphere Release Period in accordance with
the provisions of Regulation 9.9.
(iii) Subject to the provisions of Regulation 9.32 during the
Southern Hemisphere Release Period Unions may only
exercise the Right to Release pursuant to this Regulation 9
for six weeks out of the nine week period. The six weeks
shall be the same weeks for each of the senior National
Representative Team, the next senior National
Representative Team and the Under 20 National
Representative Team.
119
REGULATION 9
(iv) Unless Council approves otherwise for the purposes of this
Regulation 9, Southern Hemisphere Union shall mean the
Unions listed in Appendix 2, Part A and Southern
Hemisphere International Match(es), International Tour or
International Tournament shall mean those Matches, Tours
or Tournaments listed in Appendix 2, Part B.
9.11
Limitation on release…
(b) For Southern Hemisphere Unions these 12 occasions will be taken
as follows:
(i) 3 Matches in the November Global Release Period.
(ii) 6 Matches during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
(iii) 6 Matches during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
The 12 occasions in respect of which the Right to Release may be
exercised shall be the same for each of the senior National Representative
Team, next senior National Representative Team and the Under 20
National Representative Team.
So let us conclude shall we
1. IRB says that National Unions have a right to obtain player releases for the Southern Hemisphere Release Period which is from more or less 1 July to more or less 31 August for six matches. Clubs MUST release players during these periods.
15 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
@gunther(gunther)-311:
yeah.
Mr twenty percent
15 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@gunther(gunther)-319:
15 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-324:
I tell the guy is a hacker…
Is he really looking after his client’s CAREER?
15 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-318: Bwahahah, I thought they serve those stomach liners in a 5l called:
Chateux Cardboard
15 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
@gunther(gunther)-319: Turn out the light
don’t try to save me
you may be wrong for all i know
but you may be right…..
Sounds quite apt dontcha think?
15 Aug 2010, 20:42 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-320: What 14 day rule?
15 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@JL1(JL1)-323: Very good JL. When I need to know the whole truth and nothing but….I know where to come knocking in future. So let collectively kick the agent’s butt because he should be looking after the player’s welfare and not his own(perhaps).
15 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@JL1(JL1)-327:
chateaux happybox..
I have an appointment with a bbq and a squid…
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-328:
zigactly…
15 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@JL1(JL1)-323: It’s so hard to read that sort of thing in isolation, without considering “practice agreements” which may be in place, or references to other clausses..Everyone is talking about a release notice period and noboddy at SARU is disputing that it exists so it must come from somewhere….
15 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-315:
If PDiv and his co-selectors say “we want Steyn in the squad” then SARU must make it happen.
But PDiv, and his co-horts, for that matter should understand different requirements exist when selecting a NH player. Maybe do their homework a bit better and understanding the overseas players club committments.
I don’t know if this 14-day rule applies to all overseas clubs or just the French ones.
15 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@JL1(JL1)-327: we’ve progressed JL. We’re even doing screw tops now. And I’m not talking about my namesake.
15 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@gunther(gunther)-331: try to enjoy the both without us Mr G. And make sure to drink plenty of H2O tonight like ma taught you or that head will be eina boetie. Just like mine was on saturday morning.
15 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
I think Steyn and his agent has been telling some porkies
15 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
and I’m outta here to read the Sunday Crimes, which has happily remained unattended so as not to depress me on my day of rest.
15 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-334: Screwtops, now have you ever, that spoils all the fun trying to squeeze that last glass out of the bag
15 Aug 2010, 20:56 pm
@gunther(gunther)-319: I echo your sentiments. And the piper is a bit of a prima donna as well.
Don’t get me wrong, Fransie is a great kid. “Oom and “Tannie” and perfect manners, friendly and all, but somewhere inside there is an individualistic, selfish streak that borders on a glaring F***-U ttitude.
And for an old-school coach stomaching all that might be asking a bit much. I know it would be for me as well.
So PDivvy- sympathy, my man.
15 Aug 2010, 21:01 pm
@catleya(catleya)-339: Having said that, I believe there is a definite place for him in the mix if that can be sorted. I reckon there is very little wrong with Zane K at the moment, so I see a role for Fransie at 14 to boost our back three or at 12 to play where he is playing now.
15 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
@JL1(JL1)-329:
This from a few day’s ago.
Frans Steyn won’t play against the All Blacks due to injury and eligibility problems.
Andy Marinos confirmed on Thursday that Steyn’s quad injury will rule him out of training until next Wednesday, only three days before the Test. However, there were also problems with the player being released by the FFR (Fédération Française de Rugby), as Saru failed to ask for the clearance request 14 days before the Test, as the French union wants.
15 Aug 2010, 21:37 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-341: its not only the french rugby federation , but an irb rule
15 Aug 2010, 21:39 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-342: But there is no mention of this in the IRB regulations
15 Aug 2010, 23:20 pm
Bulls should drop JLP and get Jaco in at 10. He is a much better running flyhalf.
15 Aug 2010, 23:54 pm
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-344:
don’t say that, skoppie rekons that JLP should be with the Boks.
16 Aug 2010, 11:11 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-132:
Its a sad day in SA rugby when a Bulls loss to Province makes a bulls supporter very proud. Nee man! Sies!
16 Aug 2010, 11:18 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-342: SARU wouldn’t have to answer to the FFR if the 3N was in an international test window, which as far as I’m aware it won’t be until 2012.
16 Aug 2010, 12:39 pm
@Breads(Breads)-346: Agreed. Well done to WP but as a Bulls supporter I always expect my team to win. Always. Proud of their defensive effort but the manner in which they kicked the ball away in the last 2 minutes was dissapointing, as if they setled for the bonus point.
16 Aug 2010, 12:52 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-347: BH ok so what you are saying we have to answer till 2012 then it will change as per the international test window??
16 Aug 2010, 13:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-349: as far as I’m aware the Tri Nations never needed to be an IRB test window because (unlike the NH with the club v country issues) NZ/Aus/SA could always guarantee the release of their players from their provinces for the 3N tests so they didn’t need the window.
I believe it was only with Argentina joining that required the 3N (now 4N) to be under a test window as the Argentine players mostly play for French clubs in Europe.
JL1′s post at 323 states the regs will apply from 1st June 2012, until then SA will have to hand in the 14 day requests to FFR and hope the clubs release the player.
Invariably the clubs will release the player, it’s not good business for them to upset their playing staff. They will however not be keen on releasing them early without sufficient notice (which I think is basically what happened here).
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