Chiliboy’s been cheated
25 Aug 2010
RYAN VREDE is utterly disgusted at the raw deal Chiliboy Ralepelle has been given.
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers deplores the suggestion that Ralepelle is nothing more than a token selection to appease those appeased by that sort of thing. How does he justify that he isn’t when his actions reinforce that view?
There is, and will continue to be, debate about whether Ralepelle merits selection on ability alone. That isn’t the point of this argument. De Villiers has selected him and in doing so implies he rates him and is committed to using him.
Ralepelle played 56 of a possible 400 minutes in 2009. In 2010 that figure has risen to 160 of a possible 320 minutes. On the surface the latter figure seems acceptable for a second-choice hooker, but eliminate 79 minutes against Italy in East London and 17 minutes in Witbank and you begin to see a different picture. Consider also that he would probably have not have had more than 10 minutes against France had John Smit not been injured (he played a full half and impressed).
De Villiers said after that Test it was the first time since the start of his tenure that he trusted his bench. Ralepelle was obviously an exception because he subsequently got two minutes in a losing cause against New Zealand in Auckland, eight in a similar situation in Wellington, eight in Brisbane against Australia and zero in Soweto, where he watched a physically exhausted Smit crawl through his 100th Test and miss the decisive tackle of the match.
De Villiers’ commitment to Smit knows no bounds, which is partly understandable given that he travelled to Clermont to get him back in the Springbok fold in 2008. At this point it seems that De Villiers would instruct his medical staff to strap a wooden peg onto Smit should he somehow lose a leg, slap him on the arse and send him to war. He’d then spend the match formulating an excuse for Smit’s struggles and get his conditioning team to tell the media that wooden pegs actually make you go faster.
I don’t share the view that Smit is finished. I do, however, believe that he needed to be rested for the two Tests against the Wallabies, then be put on a specifically tailored conditioning programme during the four-week camp the contracted Springboks will embark on following the Tri-Nations.
That would have given Ralepellle two matches against world-class opposition to establish his credentials as a Test hooker. Bismarck du Plessis could have been eased into action off the wood and all three players (Smit included) would have benefited.
After 14 Tests and four years we still only have a vague idea of what Ralepelle can offer. This is utterly unacceptable. Jake White is partly culpable for this, and his coaches at the Bulls must accept some responsibility. But De Villiers, who in 2008 told the media that Ralepelle would have been his first-choice hooker had he not been injured, must shoulder the bulk of the blame.
And the future doesn’t look bright for Ralepelle either. If one considers how deeply De Villiers lamented Du Plessis’ injury-enforced absence, and how little faith he has shown in Ralepelle in the biggest matches, the Sharks man is likely to be Smit’s deputy for the foreseeable future. This will leave Ralepelle third in line at the Boks and under immense pressure from the likes of the dynamic Tiaan Liebenberg.
I recall an informal conversation with Ralepelle earlier this year, just before the June internationals. He said that for the first time since 2006 he was enjoying his rugby. He said he felt confident. He said he no longer felt like he was being used to make up the numbers. He was optimistic about his Springbok future.
I’d venture to suggest that his point of view has changed dramatically. This at the hands of a coach who prides himself on his honesty and man-management. Pathetic.
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535 Comments
25 Aug 2010, 10:06 am
Side-Lined Dragon
25 Aug 2010, 10:07 am
wood ridind dragons!
25 Aug 2010, 10:10 am
fully agree with Ryan.
25 Aug 2010, 10:13 am
ryan! This is classic sh*t my man!!! You’re on fire this morning boyeee!
De Villiers’ commitment to Smit knows no
bounds, which is partly understandable
given that he travelled to Clermont to get
him back in the Springbok fold in 2008. At
this point it seems that De Villiers would
instruct his medical staff to strap a wooden
peg onto Smit should he somehow lose a
leg, slap him on the arse and send him to
war. He ’d then spend the match formulating
an excuse for Smit’s struggles and get his
conditioning team to tell the media that
wooden pegs actually make you go faster.”
25 Aug 2010, 10:14 am
You can’t blame the player for been selected and you can’t expect the player to turn down the oppertunity to wear the green & Gold. I aggree it’s the coach and selectors fault. I do feel Craig Burden and Bandise Maku are way better then him though.
25 Aug 2010, 10:19 am
@grant10(grant10)-3: Plod stole chili’s gps now the conditioning people think chili is the slapgat who is unfit, it’s an open secret.
25 Aug 2010, 10:20 am
10th best hooker in SA … he can consider himself lucky that he even has 1 Bok test cap …
25 Aug 2010, 10:24 am
Is Ryan Vrede only disgusted because Chilli is black….I think so. What about being disgusted at a vodacom cup player coming straight into the Bok squad Ryan.
25 Aug 2010, 10:24 am
He shouldnt have even been there in the first place.
Liebenberg, Botha, Maku, Burden, Strauss… the list goes on.
Also, where are all those clowns that were shouting about Hougaard the quota? Tranny and Skoppie and Xhosakid I think.
i dont think we’ll be hearing much from them on that subject for a while.
25 Aug 2010, 10:27 am
Speaking of Quota’s – would someone be good enough to resolve a Kiwi post match argument from the weekend…. Is there a formal race quota requirement for the Springbok team?
25 Aug 2010, 10:33 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-10: Yes. An all-white team is totally unacceptable.
25 Aug 2010, 10:33 am
seems that almost 78 % of bloggers want smit to retire after Tri Nations.
Thats remarkable.
25 Aug 2010, 10:34 am
22 bok players have to be saffas….thats the quota.
25 Aug 2010, 10:35 am
Raw chilli?
It’s enough to make your eyes water…
25 Aug 2010, 10:39 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-10: Based on this weekends team, we know it is 2 at the max in the starting XV.
25 Aug 2010, 10:39 am
So the ‘quota’ for the Boks is an ‘understanding’ as opposed to a legal requirement?
25 Aug 2010, 10:39 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-10: Dah? Would you play Chilli, Januarie, Kirschner in your national squad?
25 Aug 2010, 10:40 am
@JKBridge(JKBridge)-5: Totally agree. The only one blameless is Chili.
25 Aug 2010, 10:44 am
It’s jst sad that a talented rugby player hardly plays any damn rugby anymore… Completely mismanaged
25 Aug 2010, 10:45 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-9: doos, i acknowledged hougaard shutting me up proper on saturday already, he took his chance and did well. Good for him and the Bokke…now pdv must give the woodrider Chili the same chance to prove himself against his detractors!
25 Aug 2010, 10:49 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-16: there’s no legal requirement…
25 Aug 2010, 10:52 am
Wonderful article Ryan, take a bow son!
Chilliboy has become a latter day Hanyani Shimange and he really needs to ask himself some serious questions about missing an entire Currie Cup season to go sit on the Bok bench. Smit’s legs were finished at about 60 minutes during Saturday’s game and his missed tackle on Nonu showed this. If P Divvy doesn’t believe in Chilli enough to put him on for 20 minutes in a game then as Chilli I’d take it as my cue to exit. This business of Smit not being substitutable because of his leadership is an insult to the other senior players in the team.
25 Aug 2010, 10:57 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-9: I wouldn’t get too upity about Hougaard – you are only as good as your last game.
25 Aug 2010, 11:02 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-16: Jake White, in his “Black and White” book, makes it clear that quotas continue to exist at all levels of South African rugby. They’re no longer written down into law at national level, because there’s simply an acceptance that this so-called transformation is a pre-requisite to anyone applying for and accepting the job as head coach and an expectation that so-called players of colour, especially Black African players, like Ralepelle are encouraged into and included in the match-day 22. Serious pressure is constantly exerted from politicians through the national sports council which filters down to SA Rugby’s administration and national team coaches who do not buy into this understanding or don’t evolve squad’s quickly enough would be out of a job. Short and simply, but sad really!
25 Aug 2010, 11:03 am
I think Pdv got a plan to show the world that Springbok rugby is better off with quotas. He wants to embarass Frans Steyn and JF as well as us the White people of South Africa by exposing our beloved sons in hard to win games.
I will insist that an All White team play Italy after the 3N’s so that we can win handsomely and restore our pride as a Volk
25 Aug 2010, 11:03 am
Slow news day Ryan? Just retreaded an article already flogged to death on this site?
25 Aug 2010, 11:04 am
@garth(garth)-17:
I’d select Chilli Boy for his name alone!
We had a Safa for dinner, he provoked quite an, er, ‘discussion’ (what does ‘kak’ mean exactly?), by claiming there was no such thing as a quota for the Bok, that whatever anyone said, there was no requirement at all for any particular ‘quota’ at Bok level.
If that is so, it must be gutting for players of colour selected on merit to always be subject to the implication they are there purely on political grounds.
But then there are obviously other pressures – and it’s probably beyond us Kiwi’s to fully understand all those.
Re. Test at weekend. For what it’s worth, the consensus (Safa aside) was that the Bok played with enormous spirit. No one enjoyed watching John Smits wife crying. We know how it feels.
25 Aug 2010, 11:04 am
@Diegees(Diegees)-25: LOL
You a maljan boet!
25 Aug 2010, 11:06 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-27: i hope Mrs Matfield doesent do a similar cry this sat!
25 Aug 2010, 11:07 am
like habana ..he has k@k games for the boks against NZ etc .. then he has a blinder against Fiji, Argentina etc ..
25 Aug 2010, 11:10 am
@KeyserSoze(KeyserSoze)-24:
Thanks for the reply. However you sort these mind boggling issues…we just long to always see the best possible Bok team on the field. Good luck with that.
Better go and sort out a minor scuffle among future AB’s….
25 Aug 2010, 11:10 am
17& 11.. We should let a quotaless Springbok team play the NZ maori and show the world which volk is baas
25 Aug 2010, 11:14 am
diegees … didn’t the Blue Bulls do that in the Super 14 in the last 3 – 5 years?
25 Aug 2010, 11:15 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-27: it should be equally gutting for white players who get included in the Bok team when they clearly don’t deserve it, don’t you think?!
Jake white had a lot of them in time – 32yr old Andre Snyman, Jaco van der Weshuyzen at flyhalf’, Meyer Bosman!
25 Aug 2010, 11:16 am
@Diegees(Diegees)-32:
NZ Maori v The Volk? – that would be a match!
25 Aug 2010, 11:17 am
All this nonsense could have been avoided had all the pro-transformation (racists) had not propelled him to his doom. Heyneke Meyer (Rightful Bok coach 2008) had a plan for him, but South Africa doesn’t like development, only window dressing, thus pushing and pushing and destroying him. Well done, because a player that really did have potential (Unlike the other nonentities like Jacobs et al) has been destroyed. What a bunch of chops.
25 Aug 2010, 11:19 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-27: I think race is just one consideration in the selection process. The days are past of having to have 3 or 4 or 5 non-whites at international or provincial level, although there were apparently quotas at age group levels until recently.
I think most unions in South Africa, and most coaches understand that it is in their best interest to develop non-white talent, but the fact is, there is plenty of talent coming through in South Africa for quotas not to be officially needed.
Quotas are a pretty miserable situation as any non-white player who has a bad game is immediately called a quota. A player like Kirchner had an excellent Super 14 – top 2 fullbacks in South Africa, although he has struggled at international level. He is immediately called a quota.
“Kak” means how delightful – use it in a sentence! (Don’t really – it means ****)
25 Aug 2010, 11:20 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-37: Sh it
25 Aug 2010, 11:21 am
From what I see there is a clear indication of who are first choice players, and who are bench players.
Chili is the latter.
The opinion to rest Smit is just that, an opinion. The fact that we might share that opinion still only makes it an opinion.
And Vrede, that is just your opinion…
The one whose opinion counts and will live or die (figuratively) is Peter de Villiers, not you – which makes this article – pathetic…
25 Aug 2010, 11:22 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-34:
You missed what Jake did, because you are trying to twist the facts to make a racist point. Jake called up previously capped players to fill in for injured/rested front line players, rather than handing out cheap caps… you know, like de Villiers? Thus he added value in the Bok jersey, value which has started closing in on toilet paper the last three years. And the likes of Jaco were the best available at the time, we never had the depth like we do now. We never had a 2nd test wing for most of Jakes reign, only on the eve of WC did JPP get the nod (a big risk at that time), Back in 2004-2006, it was either Jaco or Pretorius as Butch was barely injury free those years. No, your argument is heavily flawed, the more I delve into the pesky finer details, the more it falls flat on its face.
25 Aug 2010, 11:26 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-37:
Again blame your politicians, that create a racist system that is going to obviously tar everyone with the same brush. It’s totally stupid and thoughtless. The sad case for Kirchner is that he is one of many players that is struggling to function under a simpleton/madman that just can’t coach. He’s taken so much flak, but much of it is not warranted. Poor git.
25 Aug 2010, 11:26 am
33,35,36… You ouens are my heroes .. The quotas want to take our woman. We must stop them. Btw,33.. The bulls are not pure volk. 80% only. Somebody needs to sort that out
25 Aug 2010, 11:26 am
@Alucard(Alucard)-36: this whole ‘development’ angle i really don’t get because now we will here that pat lambie has ‘bok written all over him’ but elton jantjies still needs to ‘develop’. Develop what exactly?
25 Aug 2010, 11:27 am
@Alucard(Alucard)-40: Really? White gave Tim Dlulane a 2min cap. 2 years beofre Dlulane was in fact probably one of the stand-out flankers before his neck suffered.
25 Aug 2010, 11:27 am
Chilli should/must feel very insecure, because he havent proven anything at the highest level (S14) before the international step up.That must be at the back of his mind.
So I have no sympathy for him. He did not deserve to be there. PDV screwed him, the first time he picked him, discarding other top S14 hookers, who deserved to be in the match 22. If the kid allows PDV to help ruin his career, then so be it.
25 Aug 2010, 11:28 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-37:
Ooops, and I had started using ‘kak’ whenever possible in everyday conversation. My kids thought it was rather cool that i had introduced a novel bit of street slang….
Thanks for the info…really must go and sort out escalating feud between future AB’s. Where’s that red card?
25 Aug 2010, 11:30 am
@Alucard(Alucard)-40: however you try to dress it up son! Bobby SKinstad, Ashwin Willemse both didn’t deserve to be at the world cup but because they were Jake’s favourites they both went but only Ashiwn will be singled out as not being there on merit! I’ve heard and seen it all before!
25 Aug 2010, 11:30 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-43: The problem is taht the system means that talented non-white players need to be treated with more care to avoid another chiliboy situation, for example. There have been a number of talented black players ruined because coaches wanted to window dress. If Lambie doesn’t perform people will say he is too young, and should play Currie CUp and Super 14 first, if Jantjes doesn’t perform, people will say he is a quota, and should never have been selected.
25 Aug 2010, 11:32 am
@Oval Ball Tart(Oval Ball Tart)-46: If they are future ABs, give them another final warning!
25 Aug 2010, 11:35 am
Ryan you are a disgrace to rugby journalism. Smit is very much finished and Ralepelle isn’t even in the top 10 hookers in the country. F.u.c.k I hate your articles. Out of principal I will not buy the next SA Rugby Magazine
25 Aug 2010, 11:37 am
so you pick elton jantjies after half a decent game against a k@k cheetah team? ignore lambie’s form?
25 Aug 2010, 11:37 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-49:
25 Aug 2010, 11:40 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-48: my question is who ‘developed’ juan de jongh? Is he better ‘developed’ than say, andries strauss or tim whitehead? Or is just a little matter of the boy just being a more talented player?
25 Aug 2010, 11:40 am
Off course Chili is a EE selection.Why else would the Bulls not select him more often? Let me guess they are all a bunch of white racists. There is no way that in the professional era of sport a coach would not select a player based on color if that player is clearly an asset to the team. Sport is all about winning and being competitive on the field. Coaches need to keep winning to keep their jobs and they would field an all black team if that was the best available and would ensure success. I think players need to turn down being selected if they suspect they are a token selection. Chili should do this as he knows he is not the 2nd best hooker in the country.
Quotas must end in sport. It will destroy development in sport just like tokenism is destroying our business world.
25 Aug 2010, 11:50 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-49:
LOL! Unfortunately for future AB’s it’s Mum in charge of this match!
25 Aug 2010, 11:51 am
54.. Don’t be silly. No quotas?? Who we going to blame when kak happens. An all black springbok team? What if they win?? It will be the end of the volk and they will take our woman
25 Aug 2010, 11:53 am
@alession(alession)-54:
Its so stupid blaming the opportunities Chilli havent received. A bunch of white racists must have seen that he is to injury prone and therefore had more confidence in Maku,what a racist move… Its a stupid comment because that doesnt change the fact that he hasnt played at the top level like the other top hookers in the country!
25 Aug 2010, 11:55 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-53:
All three are overrated nonentities. de Jongh was lucky enough to get a call up on the basis of his incredibly mediocre performances this year, and back it up with three mediocre performances at test level.
25 Aug 2010, 11:55 am
Couldnt agree more Ryan, good article.
25 Aug 2010, 11:57 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-53: He is real talent. Would have played Fourie on the wing for this game after Juans performance on Sat and dropped Habana
25 Aug 2010, 11:59 am
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-60: As for Spies, never would have selected him in the first place
25 Aug 2010, 11:59 am
seriously….if a definition of a quota is a player playing that is not there on merit….
then current quotas in bok team are
1 Smit
2 Spies
IMO the absolute quotas of bok rugby…..a case can be made for the other 13….but these 2 players???
No way Jose…
These 2 constitiute the Chairman and the Treasurer of the Quota Boys Club.
Dual membeship of the Fat Boys Club….[ with all due respect to Spies lack of fat ]….
25 Aug 2010, 12:05 pm
@grant10(grant10)-62: Well put
25 Aug 2010, 12:07 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-58: de jongh is lucky neh? Hehehe
25 Aug 2010, 12:10 pm
Interesting article on the “other side of the coin” – being a cosmetic fill-in player – how utterly unfulfilling and humiliating. True.
But he shouldn’t be the number two – we all know it; how ironic that it is “policy” that is causing the hooker crisit God, pleae bring back Bismark and not let him be injured and let him play all 80 minutes in any match featuring the All Blacks, Wallabies and France.
Too bad for hurt feelings on the bench.
25 Aug 2010, 12:10 pm
juan de jongh is as much a quota as what dracula is a vegetarian….kak story man.
Juan de jongh is the best bloody 12 or 13 we have right now….disgrace that he is dropped…bloody disgrace!
25 Aug 2010, 12:12 pm
We are the only country in the world which plays with a “handy cap” in all our teams sports.
Just imgaine how nice it would be if we could truely select out best players in every position including the reserves with have to consider quota’s.
That is why when we have a few crutial injuries we are more effected than N.Z. or Australia. Our selections are always such a balancing act which in most cases disrupts the entire balance of the team.
It is hard enough beating the worlds top teams with the best 15 let alone 10 of the best and 5 quota’s!
25 Aug 2010, 12:13 pm
problem is smit has said publically that ‘ i cant captain the team from the bench ‘….
Huge crisis….now he keeps the best hooker in the world in bissy from starting.
Chilliboy as bencher with Bissy to start….thats the way to go.
I was at newlands when chilli played french….he was far better than smit….who also missed a tackle that day that lead to a frog try…chilli was better than smit.
25 Aug 2010, 12:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-34: Quite right. Players should always be selected on merit, particularly at international level, regardless of colour but based on ability and performance. The difficulty to assess someone like Ralepelle is injury aside, he’s not played any rugby to demonstrate whether he’s good enough or not. Part of the problem lies in that he plays the same position as the Springbok captain, a situation brought to a head last year for someone like Bismark, and partly perhaps that De Viliers doesn’t actually know whether he can cut the mustard or not or feels he cannot take the risk to find out in case Chilli fails!
25 Aug 2010, 12:14 pm
@iceman(iceman)-67: ja
its kak having to carry the 2 quoats like smit and plod…not easy.
25 Aug 2010, 12:14 pm
From an external, no loyalties, point of view, your team is carrying Smit, Matfield, Spies, and Habana. I can’t argue the relative merits of all the various replacements etc, but to me those 4 players are all passengers at the moment. Doesn’t mean they can’t be ‘retreaded’, but none of them are adding the value they should be and all are playing on past reputations.
Years ago the AB selectors sacked their captain of 3 years under whom the AB’s had never lost a game. It was incredibly controversial, but they had a new young player who they rated higher in that position. You guys need a little bit of that thinking about now.
25 Aug 2010, 12:16 pm
at least spies had a good super 14 … habana’s form was on Vodacom Cup level, if not worse …
25 Aug 2010, 12:18 pm
@grant10(grant10)-66:
de Jongh’s contribution’s thus far.
Test 1: Runs through a 2metre wide gap to score a try
Test 2: 2 inside passes, one goes astray. A stray pass outside to ?, got turned over.
Test 3: Got totally overpowered by NZ, and got spun around like a hoola-hoop whilst trying to hang onto Nonu. Made 0 impact on attack, and a very frail defender.
Overall, nothing, we’ve seen no attacking ability and nothing on defence. He has done nothing better than Olivier. Frans is the best and most complete 12 in test rugby, Jean is our next best 12, followed by Olivier. There are no other test 12s in SA. At 13 we have Fourie and Joubert, de Jongh gets a mention purely on the basis of us never having produced a 13 in at least half a decade.
de Jongh further more never produced the goods at S14 level, he held his ground defensively, but offered nothing on attack. He was the weaker of the backs. so your over elaborate argument is a tad girlish.
25 Aug 2010, 12:22 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-73: Ha Ha Ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
haaaaaaaaaa
Oh my Gawd, I just wet myself. You are funny
25 Aug 2010, 12:24 pm
@grant10(grant10)-68: no grant, in disagree! Smit never said that.
This is what he said:
Smit, who hasn’t represented the Boks since
the Tri-Nations Test in Wellington due to
injury, said the move was made purely for
the sake of team dynamics.
“It’s not about surrendering a position.
Bismarck is going to be the best hooker in
the world, and I want to do everything I can
to ensure this team is the best it can be. If
that means I have to be the baggage boy or
play tighthead, then so be it, ” he said.
25 Aug 2010, 12:25 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-74:
I have all the TNs games downloaded, so please tell me where I am wrong and I’ll check it right now. That’s if you can.
25 Aug 2010, 12:27 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-74: hahaha i’ve said it before, alucard’s a cad!
25 Aug 2010, 12:32 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-76: de jongh made the MOST tackles of any BOK on saturday and you say he was ‘frail’ defensively!
25 Aug 2010, 12:32 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-73: Your knowledge and insight into centre play is astounding. Thank you very much, I am now educated in this area of play. I thought, that having played in that position for the Leopards at under 21 level, that I knew something about it, but I was clearly wrong. That must be why I never made it to the big league. I wish I had your insight then – life could have been different for me.
I now know that the reason that I did not make it was because I passed too often. If I had died with the ball like Frans Steyn, I could have been Marius Joubert’s partner for the Boks. Or, if I had the ability to create space for my opposition like Olivier, then I could have been retired now with a cooshy job as coach somewhere.
Maybe my mistake was that I was a “poor” defender and a clueless distributor like De Jongh. He only tackles players around their ankles – Nonu included.
Thank you once again. You can rest assured that you changed one person’s life for the better on this day.
25 Aug 2010, 12:33 pm
chilli is not even on the african continent! lets be honest he is a token created by jake white & divvy is forced to choose him
25 Aug 2010, 12:33 pm
I also have a question mark on what de Jongh offers nevertheless I must say that this past weekend he was played out of position.
25 Aug 2010, 12:34 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-76: Why so defensive, I never said you are wrong – is it a small voice inside your head that you are hearing perhaps?
Oh wait, I forgot, the voices inside your head are not so small, are they?
Don’t worry, you are special if you are the only one who hears them.
25 Aug 2010, 12:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-78:
And the quality of tackle? Not taking that into consideration. According to the stats Adi never missed a tackle in the first Lions test, but look how they directed play right through him and nearly beat us because of it. Quality over quantity.
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-79:
Nice try, but back to topic. Where am I wrong. Given how poor South African’s are regarding backplay, and how few good centres come out of the country your background doesn’t really impress me. You called me out as being wrong, now I simply ask you to point out where. I have all the games here and should you provide me with the details I’ll humbly accept I was wrong. The ball is in your court.
25 Aug 2010, 12:38 pm
Another point on technique. What is it with SA players in the backline not being able to pass the ball without spin passing it. The time it takes for the ball to travel down the line is longer as a result. The spin requires that the arm travels back and forth whereas if you watch the Ozzie and NZ players they flick pass the ball like the Rugby League players. The ball is easier to catch as well as making for a quicker pass.
I was watching the Sharks on Saturday and notices that they were doing the same and its annoying as the ball travels faster down the line with the flick pass ala Rugby League.
25 Aug 2010, 12:41 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-83: Please point me to the place where I told you that you are wrong
Come on…humour me
25 Aug 2010, 12:44 pm
“Ha Ha Ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
haaaaaaaaaa
Oh my Gawd, I just wet myself. You are funny”
Surely your memory is not that short. That is clearly conveying a converse opinion.
25 Aug 2010, 12:54 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-53: He is more talented, that is for sure. THe only problem is that talented players of colour, especially youngsters function under a different type of pressure to white players. In that regard it isn’t an even playing field. Imagine if Spies was black. People would be calling for his head, saying that he was a quota selection and should never have played for the Boks. It can be tough to return from the type of criticsm some black players receive.
25 Aug 2010, 12:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-75: that changed…..i saw a far later arcticle…
25 Aug 2010, 13:01 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-87: you said it, not me
25 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-53: Look how ridiculously talented JDJ is, yet, dumbasses like Alucard still dont rate him.
25 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-86: The fact that I differ from you does not make you wrong, does it? Unless you believe in objective empirical testing of a rugby player’s performance on the field. If you do, it would mean that you compare players’ performances in exactly the same conditions, because that is the criteria for empirical testing.
I believe that this is not possible unless you do it in a controlled environment which a rugby match is not.
The biggest stumbling block to objective assessment of a rugby player’s performance is the preferences of the assessor.
1. Provincialism
2. Preferred style of play (very much determined by the province that you support)
I know that I am subjective in my assessment of rugby players. I am a WP supporter and I prefer an open game where the ball is given air and the players play with intelligence. (This is a far cry from the way WP play their rugby at the moment because of the presence of Willem de Waal.)
I do prefer JDJ and JDV because they are from WP. I am not ashamed to say it and I acknowledge my subjectivity.
I just wonder, do you support the Bulls?
I digress. Coming back to my opening statement, it is not a matter of who is right and who is wrong because there is no way on this planet that we can determine that, because objectivity is an illusion.
The beginning of a true assessment is the acknowledgement of your preferences
25 Aug 2010, 13:11 pm
Politically correct Springbok team
1) Beast
Luke Watson
2) Chilliboy Ralepele
3) Brian Mujati
4) Hilton Lobberts
5) Fudge Mabeta
6) Kabamba Floors
7) Ashley Johnson
9) Heini Adams
10) Burton Francis
11) Brian Habana
12) Juan de Jongh
13) Lionel Mapoe
14) JP Pietersen
15) Gio Aplon
Actually not that bad. Could be a good team for the SUPER KINGS.
25 Aug 2010, 13:14 pm
@grant10(grant10)-88: Prove it old chap,you tend to now make up these quotes or use them selective
The system has stated that POC are quotas-Fact
Chilli is a quota, fact
Chilli is not one of the top 5 hookers in the country-fact
Chili is one of many players that do not get a start at their own provinces-fact but still play for the Boks
Chili deserves more game time for the Boks-FICTION!
25 Aug 2010, 13:16 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-86: A converse opinion…no my friend. Calling your post an opinion is to ascribe a degree of sanity to it
25 Aug 2010, 13:18 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-73:
Dracula, hou op kak praat. Jislaaik!!!
WO beter as JdJ? Nee heerlikheid, nou’t ek alles gehoor.
Gaan kyk op jou na die vertoning van WO teen Frankryk en vergelyk dit me die van JdJ s’n Saterdag teen die AB’s.
25 Aug 2010, 13:18 pm
i bet , given 3 weeks under Mallet, i could choose a bok team that would moer the fat boys club chosen for sat…… 6 love.
Here goes
15 Lambie
14 b basson
11 aplon
12 p bosch
13 j d j
10 butch
9 jano vermaak
8 w alberts / vermeulen
7 dewalt potgieter
6 flo
5 Hargreaves
4 D Rossow
3 bj
2 bismatck
1 beast
would run those fat boys klaar!
25 Aug 2010, 13:22 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-83: De Jongh put in some great hits, his major strength in defence is his speed off the mark which allows him to get to his opponent before they can get going, Conrad Smith was a non-factor last weekend and I didn’t think JDJ’s tackle was high either, just unlucky.
25 Aug 2010, 13:25 pm
@nama1(nama1)-95:
…op jou na die – …op jou rekenaar na die
25 Aug 2010, 13:25 pm
@JL1(JL1)-93: i am many things….but not a liar…..i read it somewhere recent…..may have been the Os arcicle in a previous SA Rgby Magazine.
Call me all the names you wish….but i try my best never to lie mate…..
25 Aug 2010, 13:29 pm
@kingrichard(kingrichard)-92: Its really not a bad side. Would be great to watch this team playing a game against the ABs if we had the old tours again.
25 Aug 2010, 13:29 pm
Hahahahaha, I see Alucard is still stirring.
Just ignore him, he’s quite deluded
25 Aug 2010, 13:29 pm
There are a couple of issues here: ChilliBoy is not alone in not been given an decent opportunity to show his worth … Ruan Pienaar is another and he’s lost to Springbok rugby now. He, too, had to compete against someone in Mr Rugby immoveable in his position. And, even when FDP was injured, Januarie was frequently preferred to start, so this mismanagement of playing resources is not new nor are white players immune. The reality too is that if someone like Ralepelle is third choice in the Super 14 for the Bulls behind Botha and Maku, then De Villiers is hard pressed to include him in his starting XV because he simply doesn’t have any performance or game time to go on. As Jake White discovered, it’s hard to pick ethnic black players when so few are playing Super rugby. White blooded Breyton Paulse, Ashwin Willemse, Lawrence Sephaka, Tonderai Chavhanga, Guthro Steenkamp, Januarie, Bolla Conradie, Hanyani Shimange, Solly Tyibilika, Tim Dlulane, Quinton Davids and Jongi Nokwe. However, at one stage the only regular black players in Super Rugby were the Ndugane twins, Odwa and Akona. How much has really changed, I wonder?
Secondly, all coaches have their preferences, those they select in a particular position or who they’d always back to go into battle with. PuffDivvy has stuck with his old guard, who taken him through thick and thin, having won everything in the game at the expense of blooding younger players. Now they’ve been played into the ground, are clearly fatigued and needing to undergo an urgent reconditioning programme but the disastrous away leg of the Tri Nations has ensured he needs to engineer a win, whatever the method, not only to restore some battered pride but quite possibly to save his job!
25 Aug 2010, 13:32 pm
serious question….
if boks get beaten at Loftus, at altitude….again this weekend…..
Will plod and pdv still have jobs Monday?
Or will the fat lady have sung?
25 Aug 2010, 13:32 pm
To be honest, I am absolutely astonished that Gio Aplon was dropped. I’m sure the Aussies are overjoyed at that. Ah well, from a Province point-of-view I don’t mind.
The Aussies will also be jumping for joy that Spies has retained his spot. Seriously, when last did he have a good game? I am actually pretty sure that I’ve never seen Spies bleed, never seen him with any bruises?
Juan de Jongh has proven himself to be better than Wynand Olivier.
25 Aug 2010, 13:34 pm
@JL1(JL1)-93: Well said
25 Aug 2010, 13:35 pm
in the super 14 final .. WO killed JDJ ..spies killed vermeulen (spies made him bleed) Shadowwwww killed aplon … nou wat nou
25 Aug 2010, 13:36 pm
oh and habana killed himself in the same final
25 Aug 2010, 13:38 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-83: You are talking **** man, and everyone knows it, you think we have forgotten about your “Olivier killed De Jongh” in the S14 Final, when that nerver happened in the 14 minutes of De Jongh being on the field, in fcat the hit that Olivier made was on Jacque Fourie but clearly in yours selective retentive mind it was made on JDJ, so hey!!, whatever dude!!!
25 Aug 2010, 13:42 pm
@grant10(grant10)-99: Well then time to prove it, go get the quote that you have been throwing about
25 Aug 2010, 13:43 pm
@grant10(grant10)-103: They will have jobs until the World Cup, if that is how they want it. I can’t see PDivvy being forced out of the job.
They are lucky in that a lot of people keep going on about 2006, and how we won the World cup a year later. This means that people are reluctant to actually judge the team until next year.
The reality is that this Tri-Nations is basically the last proper picture we can get of where the Boks are at. End of year tour is always a case of old horses being flogged – people will say you can’t read much into that. Incoming tests next year are likely to be second string northern hemisphere teams – resting for the world cup, and the Tri-Nations finishes 2 weeks before the World Cup starts. I can’t see the stars playing many games in that – maybe two? Do you risk losing in New Zealand with your best team a month before the world cup?
It is true – the Boks are stuck with these players. A player liker Vermeulen, if selected tomorrow, would have maybe 10 caps before the World cup.
25 Aug 2010, 13:43 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-73:
Oh come one.
In his first Test (against Wales), playing at inside centre (his preferred position is outside centre), he kept Jamie Roberts – one of the best centres in the world at the moment – honest, even though Roberts is about 20 kilos heavier. He has consistently shown his strength on defense, adopting a nice old-school go-in-low tackling technique.
What impressed me as well on Saturday was how he was organising the defense at times.
He is a real prospect since he can play either 12 or 13, plus he could even play on wing if need be.
25 Aug 2010, 13:45 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-111: Wow there – easy now. Please don’t mention that he can play a number of different positions, or we might see him at fullback next week, and scrumhalf the week after.
25 Aug 2010, 13:45 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-108: Hehe, Alucard is just a twat…
De Jongh’s so-called frail defence is actually what indirectly allowed Francois Louw to be so effective for the Stormers.
If you tackle a player around the ankles/legs, they go to ground much faster than when you try a ball-and-all tackle. The ball-and-all tackle, while occasionally allowing you to hit the player back, more often than not just allows the attacker to stay on his feet for a second or two longer. This second or two allows backup to arrive. No back-up means an easy steal. Brussow in tandom with JdJ would be devastating.
And this nonsense of being able to offload if a player doesn’t hit you where you carry the ball is stupid. Getting an offload while your body is falling in a different direction is not an easy skill. Popping the ball to someone while standing still is.
25 Aug 2010, 13:48 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-111: I don’t think he’d make a great wing. If I was playing against him I’d just kick on him all day long.
That said, Aplon proved that small okes can leap REALLY high too.
Besides, his skills’d be wasted on wing.
25 Aug 2010, 13:49 pm
@KeyserSoze(KeyserSoze)-102: The funny thing is he would probably get a win if let the youngsters start.
25 Aug 2010, 13:50 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-97: Please dont give fact to Alucard, the fact that Nonu, an inside centre had a field day, has nothing to do with Jean de Villiers, his opposite number 12 no the numerous missed tackles by Smit and Spies. In his mind, it was De Jongh’s fault, it had to be, because De Jongh was the closest blak guy to Nonu, LOL!!!!
25 Aug 2010, 13:50 pm
@lepel(lepel)-113:
Correct – nothing like the good old-fashioned flying tackle to the legs. Properly executed the smallest player can bring down the biggest player, literally cut them down.
The finest exponent of that sort of tackle I’ve ever seen was Henry “Lem” Honiball.
25 Aug 2010, 13:50 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-106:
WO killed JdJ in what? 15 minutes?
Dom DOOS.
25 Aug 2010, 13:50 pm
JDJ is the real deal
he might have had frail defence before , he sure as hell dont now
this kids a brilliant player and will only get better
WO might have had the better in the final of him , but WO onjly plays well for the bulls and in the context of their style of play
JDJ will fit into most styles of rugby , something WO cannot do
25 Aug 2010, 13:51 pm
@JL1(JL1)-109: ffs my man…..i am not going to try and find anything for your sake…if you dont believe me then so be it!
25 Aug 2010, 13:51 pm
Spies, now that boy’s a quota…
25 Aug 2010, 13:52 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-87: Interesting comment
25 Aug 2010, 13:53 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-117: And the whole world feared Honiball…
You can’t go fast with no legs!
25 Aug 2010, 13:54 pm
@grant10(grant10)-120: Maybe you told a lie?
25 Aug 2010, 13:55 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-119: It’s cause WO probably just isn’t too bright. If the Bulls changed their game plan, then he’d also be nowhere.
JdJ is actually willing to learn and is just getting better. A guy who wants to get better and is willing to learn will get better.
25 Aug 2010, 13:56 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-117: The best current is Conrad Smith. De Jongh would do well to copy Smith. The big difference between the two is de Jongh has pace, where as Smith has deceptive pace – he is a lot slower than he looks!
25 Aug 2010, 13:56 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-119: would be a great addition to the Sharks backline, he’s going to end up playing out of position for the Stormers for the next couple of seasons minimum.
25 Aug 2010, 13:57 pm
yes nama virgil/virgin, it only took 15 mins om te wys wies baas
25 Aug 2010, 13:57 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-127: I reckon one year – I can’t see Fourie and de Villiers staying in SA rugby after the world cup.
25 Aug 2010, 13:58 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-127: eish true BH
sharks get him and we will have a dynamite backline
we have all the other positions covered
25 Aug 2010, 13:59 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-117: You see, in Alucard and those of his ilk, that type of tackling is only good if its executed by Japie Mulder ( an Afrikaaner) on Jonah Lomu,in the 1995 WC Final……..
25 Aug 2010, 13:59 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-127: Well, it all depends on whether Fourie goes over the pond for the pound. JdJ might just have one season of playing out of position. And then he gets to learn from Fourie and De Villiers. Bodes well for the kid.
25 Aug 2010, 14:00 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-130: Its just a shame they will all either be played out of position and leave the Sharks disgruntled with SA rugby, or under go a shocking loss of form and have to be replaced.
25 Aug 2010, 14:00 pm
@lepel(lepel)-125: lepel i wont sit here and say WO is dumb , i do not know the man at all
but as a rugby player or center i feel JDJ is much more versitile and has a bright future
25 Aug 2010, 14:00 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-131: Thats prejudice.
25 Aug 2010, 14:01 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-133: come not all teams play players out of position
show me one that does not mate
25 Aug 2010, 14:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-130: I’d rather not have that happen… cause I’d be scared!
This Lindique kid doesn’t look like a bad talent comming up though..
25 Aug 2010, 14:02 pm
@JL1(JL1)-124: fark you moron!
25 Aug 2010, 14:02 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-134: I’m not saying he as a person cannot do maths or anything, I’m just saying I question his rugby brain…
25 Aug 2010, 14:02 pm
@lepel(lepel)-137: nope lepel , the kid can play and is still very young
i think he is naturally quite skinny so they need to build him a bit
25 Aug 2010, 14:03 pm
@lepel(lepel)-139: lol true took it as such
25 Aug 2010, 14:05 pm
@lepel(lepel)-137: I reckon the Sharks will try and get Jaco Taute soon though. He’s actually a centre. He looks like a very good prospect and he is playing for the Lions, which seems to be the Sharks’ favourite hunting ground.
25 Aug 2010, 14:05 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-134: I’m sure LEPEL was referring to rugby intelligence, not academic.If we were to talk academics, Percy Montgomerry wouldnt have gone as far as province, how many times did he fail STD 8 at SACS????
25 Aug 2010, 14:06 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-140:
Your team is on fire at the moment. Good thing you got rid of Muir!
You guys have some brilliant youngsters coming through.
Bodes well for Springbok rugby in two years’ time.
25 Aug 2010, 14:06 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-140: Besides, leave JdJ alone… you’ve got Lambie!
25 Aug 2010, 14:07 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-136: I am joking around with you. I remember looking at the Sharks backline which contained: Kockett, Steyn, Barrit, Murray, Pienaar and JPP thinking that they were going to dominate South African and world rugby.
Now only JPP is still at the Sharks, and living up to his potential, Pienaar was ruined by Snor and Muir, Steyn needs to grown up while in France, Murray is at the Lions, Barrit is playing for the Poms and Kockett is an emo. That is a lot of talent no longer playing for your team.
25 Aug 2010, 14:07 pm
@JL1(JL1)-124:
You said to me the other day that you were too young to vote pre the NSA. A few days later you told G10 that you are about the same age as him.
That means that you must have you turned 18 in the early to middle 80′s.
Maybe you told a lie. Either to him or to me.
25 Aug 2010, 14:07 pm
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-143: Mind you, I’d love to see some of our Springboks’ matric results. It could shed some light on why they do the stupidest things on occasion.
25 Aug 2010, 14:08 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-110: I think its time to stop blogging in terms of any sensible criteria regarding PdV,Muir and Gold. They have the backing regardless of how cr*p the Boks are from the usless ANC govt. Embaressing them viz Banana Banana who had bucket loads of money spent on them for zero return.
These stupid selections are just a cover for all the **** politics that can be carried in the mediocre enviroment they are running.
Bring on the abuse !!
25 Aug 2010, 14:08 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-119: SL tell me what makes you think he is the real deal at 12. Whats his passing like -accuracy, speed and putting others into space?, whats his spatial awareness like i.e. the ability to identify spaces that others cannot see (in behind defences for example) and apart from exploiting the space in front of him – whats his anticipation like on defence i.e. where does he see the move going and where can he best deploy himself.
If you watch Carter for example he has that ability as does Giteau and Cooper. I have yet to see a backline player in the current Boks side that does that. They are all able to exploit the space immediately in front of them but very few are capable of identifying where the gaps will appear and put players into those gaps. Until they can do that they are not the real deal for me.
25 Aug 2010, 14:09 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-146:
“Kockett is an emo” – that is hilarious!
25 Aug 2010, 14:10 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-126: would you agree with me when i say pdv is really showing his true colours re ‘black mechanic/white mechanic’ comment? In that he backs his ‘favourite’ players to the hilt (black or white) even when they’re off form, he picks the over & over again, until they – in his eyes – have regained their groove…the difference though is that spies, meisiekind, plod won’t be called quotas but ricky, chiliboy will be called tokens by the media and some saffas. Habana is immune too to being called a ‘quota’ – the boy has been washed
25 Aug 2010, 14:10 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-150: Which by the way is the reason Sheryl Calder is so important to the Bokke – get her involved sooner rather than later.
25 Aug 2010, 14:12 pm
Can someone explain Volk??
25 Aug 2010, 14:14 pm
@PaulLondon(PaulLondon)-154: Nation – it basically refers to the “Afrikaans nation”
25 Aug 2010, 14:15 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-152: Transie if that were the case would you then say that PDV has been rather fortunate since taking over in order to win the 3N’s last year and the series against the BIL’s because by your implication his favourite players were always on form in those games.
25 Aug 2010, 14:15 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-128: Jy is n’ doos!!
It is with interest analysing your comments. They are all just based purely on race. Its a pity you will leave in your own oppressed space and will die a man with a heavy soul.
Shame I feel for you!!
25 Aug 2010, 14:17 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-144: thanks boet , yeah lots comming through , i think the acadamy is starting to bear fruits
@lepel(lepel)-145: eish mate why not have ,Lambie and JDJ
@XhosaKid(XhosaKid)-143: i know what he meant mate , i just dont go for the player insulting thing
25 Aug 2010, 14:19 pm
I believe Peter De Villiers should go now and save us the time and energy. I find it hard that he has to bend over backwards to go fetch Frans Steyn in a country that has so much full backs. How he dropped Gio Aplion is beyond my imagination.
On the matter of race, why not call in Mvovo to replace Habana. He is fast, strong and black. While Habana is slow, weak, can’t defend and white?
25 Aug 2010, 14:20 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-146: lol np boet
25 Aug 2010, 14:21 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-128:
That’s what you can come up with? Trying to make a play on my name?
Not cool. Not cool at all.
Use my nic. I didn’t give you permission to use my real name, OK.
But one should expect it from a DOOS like you.
25 Aug 2010, 14:21 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-150: hiyas piesangs , i meant as a 13
sorry should have made it clear
25 Aug 2010, 14:25 pm
nama1 ..wtf? your real name is virgin?? LMAO!!
25 Aug 2010, 14:29 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-146:
“Kockett is an emo.” – Extended multiple ******?
25 Aug 2010, 14:30 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-163:
Jou tanta se kont, **** jy my. Loop naai.
25 Aug 2010, 14:32 pm
**** jy my?
25 Aug 2010, 14:32 pm
@nama1(nama1)-165: thats not very nice
25 Aug 2010, 14:33 pm
eish
25 Aug 2010, 14:33 pm
ho or
25 Aug 2010, 14:37 pm
Thanks Wolfman…
25 Aug 2010, 14:42 pm
Tell me is the title of this article “Chilliboy has been cheated” or is it “Chilliboy is being cheated” because as it stands at the moment it implies that it has already happened whereas the wording indicates it is currently going on in which case it should read “Chilliboy being cheated”
25 Aug 2010, 14:44 pm
@nama1(nama1)-161:
So I take it you have the same name as the author of The Aeneid?
25 Aug 2010, 14:46 pm
BLAH BLAH BLAH
25 Aug 2010, 14:50 pm
WPTID
If not the same quality of penmanship…
25 Aug 2010, 14:51 pm
KEO! The same rubbish is being written allover, time after time.
25 Aug 2010, 14:55 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-167:
Sorry about that little outburst there. Apologies to you and everybody else on the blog, excluding that DOOS.
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-172:
Yes. Spelled differently though.
25 Aug 2010, 14:58 pm
@gunther(gunther)-174:
Maybe better qualities in other areas.
25 Aug 2010, 15:03 pm
@nama1(nama1)-177: Ignore that verkrampte!
25 Aug 2010, 15:06 pm
@nama1(nama1)-176: lol its cool mate NP
25 Aug 2010, 15:07 pm
147
Nama
I told him that I am not as old as he is
Read post slowly back to yourself
25 Aug 2010, 15:07 pm
Hoekom is die Afrikaanse woord HO OR op die lys van woorde wat verban is?
Verwar hulle dit met die engelse wh ore?
25 Aug 2010, 15:09 pm
chilli is only there because of skin colur no other reason he shouldnt be there at all i can think of 10 white hookers who r way better dont complain bouth the coaches complain bout the anc and there insane laws
25 Aug 2010, 15:10 pm
Nama
Perhaps I did you a disservice…
Your grasp of the Afrikaans vernacular is breathtaking…
Jou tanta’s se kont..
Beautifull … we just need to set it to iambic hexameter..
25 Aug 2010, 15:11 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-178:
Will do
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-179:
Cool
25 Aug 2010, 15:12 pm
@nama1(nama1)-181:
Ek dink die klomp Souties wat die webwerf bedryf dink “hoer” word gespel met twee o’s.
25 Aug 2010, 15:13 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-185: lol
25 Aug 2010, 15:14 pm
’cause “****” can’t be done on a blog…
25 Aug 2010, 15:14 pm
so as n mens se “**** wat ak vir jou se” sal dit nie verskyn so nie
25 Aug 2010, 15:15 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-186:
Yip, I think Roy praat nie the taal nie.
25 Aug 2010, 15:15 pm
hehe, hoer nou vir my, julle gaan geban word
25 Aug 2010, 15:16 pm
Gehoor van die jong getroude knaap wat vir sy pragtige vroutjie sê:
“Hiert jou sexy ding – op kamer toe is jy.”
Sy kyk hom diep in die oë, giggel en sê ” O nee, jou ou stoute kabouter.”
Hy: “Nee ernstig, die rugby gaan begin – so fokof nou.”
25 Aug 2010, 15:17 pm
so Roy is the new man, last time I was here it was still Ig
25 Aug 2010, 15:18 pm
@WP – LMAO
25 Aug 2010, 15:20 pm
Maybe Chilli could try and get a NH contract, not many quotas get a contract in the NH and if they do it seldom gets extended
25 Aug 2010, 15:23 pm
Merit selection is the only way to go or we will always end up with the Jorrie Mullers in a Bok team
25 Aug 2010, 15:24 pm
@JL1(JL1)-194:
True , JS got one !!
25 Aug 2010, 15:25 pm
“the raw deal Chiliboy Ralepelle has been given.”
Are you guys for real?
This chump has NEVER done anything at senior level, amid injuries, could never make the run on side in the S14, recently not even the 3rd choice for his province, has an average VC performance, and q few weeks ago got subbed for being so kak in the CC at half time!
YET, still has been paid top dollar as the Bok ‘back up’ hooker for several seasons for no other reason than his skin colour!
I’d say it’s the rest of the form hookers in the land that have been cheated and Ralepelle and his bank manager have been laughing all the way to the bank!
25 Aug 2010, 15:27 pm
Justrugby he did get one
Lawrence Sephaka was jeered in France and hence the one season and one season only
25 Aug 2010, 15:27 pm
@gunther(gunther)-183:
What can I say? Sometimes you’re a product of the environment/region you grow up in. Lots of guys I know will not bat an eyelid if you say something like that to them, as long as you don’t bring their mother into it.
Something Quota did in the past.
You’re the master of putting things in verse. I’m awaiting you’re masterpiece.
25 Aug 2010, 15:27 pm
@JL1(JL1)-194: like brian mujati who you called a quota too, how long has he been there?
Or maybe gcobani Bobo
25 Aug 2010, 15:28 pm
they say it takes 2 beers …
25 Aug 2010, 15:29 pm
@money_man(money_man)-197: i dont see chilli refusing to sit on the bench forever and collect his wonga.
Also I guess its no extra competition for JS to worry about considering he aint exactly a Biz or Libenburg.
25 Aug 2010, 15:29 pm
jl1….you 1 of the the biggest bigots here on keo….along with a few others that thankully seem to be living outside the borders of RSA…thank fark for that!
Please stay overseas…..wish another wally on this site was heading overseas , but sadly the wa nker coming to Cape Town….
He trys his kak here he will quickly be shown we dont tolerate his type …
25 Aug 2010, 15:31 pm
Adriaan Strauss, Deon Fourie,Tiaan Liebenberg and even Gary Botha are all better hookers
25 Aug 2010, 15:32 pm
@JL1(JL1)-204: ja
agree….all better than plod….the quota cappy
25 Aug 2010, 15:33 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-191:
Vokken LOL.
Ten minste kan ‘n mens se vokken.
25 Aug 2010, 15:34 pm
Adriaan Strauss, Deon Fourie,Tiaan Liebenberg and even Gary Botha are all better hookers
i 100 percent agree
25 Aug 2010, 15:36 pm
Grant10
You are so full of yourself
Calling people names on a blog, damn that is so mature
Making up quotes about John Smit as you please
You do not have to be a bigot to identify rubbish rugby players
Owen Nkumane played for the Boks,why?
25 Aug 2010, 15:39 pm
@grant10(grant10)-103: They will still have jobs.
25 Aug 2010, 15:40 pm
@grant10(grant10)-203: listen you inbred twat
you know where ill be dont threaten you coward dog
you me , not you and ur *** crowd to help you
your mouth is way to big on a blog, or you wanna try attack me with mitchels plain by you side?>
ur low down trash that insults players you dont even know
25 Aug 2010, 15:40 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-207: yes, some of those guys are better than captain Plod
25 Aug 2010, 15:41 pm
Transie, 2 players well done
Grant10, that John Smit played 100 tests, more than 200 forts class matches and more importantly under many coaches
We can all be very glad that blokes like you stick to parading your pompous backside on the beach and stay far away from the Bok team
25 Aug 2010, 15:43 pm
@JL1(JL1)-208: jorrie muller was a Bok, why?
25 Aug 2010, 15:43 pm
Whoa…everyone chill out.
25 Aug 2010, 15:44 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-214: Sorry wp , but that oke is nausiating apologies
25 Aug 2010, 15:44 pm
Transie coaches having their favourites
Chili being a Bok and not playing equals tokenism and quotas
25 Aug 2010, 15:45 pm
ill ignore what it says
25 Aug 2010, 15:45 pm
no better than chilli boy
25 Aug 2010, 15:46 pm
why is it that the best of south africas black talent cant make the boks but the worst ones do ? just to keep the anc happy
25 Aug 2010, 15:46 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-210: Hear hear.
Catch him in his speedo showing parking at Camps Bay
25 Aug 2010, 15:46 pm
@JL1(JL1)-212: yes that 2 guys more than you had cared to mention
25 Aug 2010, 15:48 pm
@JL1(JL1)-216: but they can’t have favourites that are black huh?
25 Aug 2010, 15:49 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-219: It’s a part of the ANC’s proud tradition of gloryfying mediocrity and underachievement, and taking great pride in being average.
Just look how chuffed Snor is, beaming from ear to ear at the Bok’s performances! A true party man….
25 Aug 2010, 15:50 pm
This had certainly made for entertaining reading. Hectic stuff…..
I mean….can’t we all just get along..??!!??
lol i guess not.
25 Aug 2010, 15:50 pm
does someone have any idea whats happening to Mapoe??
25 Aug 2010, 15:52 pm
Transie,2 players in 15 years
I reckon NH team should also have quotas
It is obvious to see that the quota system is not working
25 Aug 2010, 15:52 pm
I’m utterly disgusted by this article!! Chillipop has no place being anywhere near a Springbok side….and there is nothing in his game play that suggests he is anything more than a Currie Cup hooker at best……
Right now – he’s ranked behind Garry Botha and Bandise Maku in his own franchise..
If he went to the Sharks he’d be ranked behind Bismark Du Plessis and Craig Burden
If he went to WP he’d be ranked behind Tiaan Liebenberg and Deon Fourie….
If he went to the Cheetahs he’d be ranked behind Andries Strauss
Then we have John Smit….So, Chillipop’s ranking in SA should be about 9th…..what the hell is doing in a Bok jersey??
Geeez…..somebody order a side bench with a serving of quota garnish….here’s your chilli sir?
25 Aug 2010, 15:54 pm
finally someone with balls no scared to say whats true
It’s a part of the ANC’s proud tradition of gloryfying mediocrity and underachievement, and taking great pride in being average.
Just look how chuffed Snor is, beaming from ear to ear at the Bok’s performances! A true party man….
25 Aug 2010, 15:54 pm
Correction…..Cheetahs = Adriaan Strauss…..(Andries is his useless cousin that plays center for the Sharks)
25 Aug 2010, 15:54 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-225: Awol.
Becoming rather daft this spat.
25 Aug 2010, 15:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-222: Eish, Transie, why do you look for **** where there is none? You must know by now that there are some really thick okes on this site who can’t distinguish their arses from their elbows. They see the coach’s black or coloured favorites as quotas and his white favorites as investments in the future. Their opinions are only endictments to their narrow mindedness and should be seen in that light. Don’t let them frustrate you…it is not worth it. The Bible says that we will always have the poor with us – by the same token we will always have the idiotic with us. Lets move on
25 Aug 2010, 15:55 pm
Anyone that watched the last test and says that Smit was under-par in comparison to any of the other hookers in the land clearly deserves to be stuck blogging over here on Keo when the real rugby discussions happen elsewhere!
25 Aug 2010, 15:55 pm
@JL1(JL1)-226: yes, but jorrie muller can be a Bok and it’s not tokenism or quotas? Gtfoh
25 Aug 2010, 15:56 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-210: Cool your jets Madshark! Don’t get bedonnered here.
25 Aug 2010, 15:56 pm
@Pam Anderson’s left ( . )(Pam Anderson)-230: yeah and in the meantime his career is standing still and going nowhere
25 Aug 2010, 15:57 pm
well said CT Shark
the anc should be more worried bout the awefull goverment hospitals and crime than the skin colour of the boks
i support them cause they are south african not because of the skin colour if thats all you care bout then shame on you
you should support the boks. not the colour of the teams skin
25 Aug 2010, 15:57 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-228: naka drotske must be an ANC member then hahahaha
what is his win ratio in super rugby 
hahaha
i won’t mention the lions & d*ck muir
25 Aug 2010, 15:58 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-234: ross i am cool 2 things though…..
i dont take instructions
2ndly i will apologise for my words to you the other day
SORRY
just you do have the tendency to get under my skin , and i dont take the whole race issue all the time to well
but yes i am sorry for what i called you
25 Aug 2010, 15:59 pm
It is true, the best POC seem to be no nearer to the Bok team than 15 years ago
Why did Ryan actually write this article if he knows that Chilli is just not good enough
25 Aug 2010, 15:59 pm
@money_man(money_man)-232: Lol I also thought he played ok…but with the Smit-bashing going on here I thought I better not say anything…
25 Aug 2010, 16:00 pm
Read my lips – Hougaard is a marked man on Saturday. I reckon that thug Elsom will give him some special treatment. Aussies will want Januarie on the field ASAP.
They will also wrap Smit and Spies in cotton wool to prevent Kanko and Chili from improving the team.
25 Aug 2010, 16:01 pm
what has Mitchells Plain got to do with this discussion?
25 Aug 2010, 16:01 pm
JS missed his first 2 line outs .. he missed the final and most crucial tackle… if that is a ‘good” game ..then i’ve reached a point of no return
25 Aug 2010, 16:01 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-235:
Absolute nonsense. Freestate wants to pay him peanuts arguing that he was nothing when they signed him.
Then sharks should have to pay peanuts to get him based on his salary, but Freestate wont let him go without a big payment.
Must say I think Jan-Harm van Wyk screwed up in not insisting on a salary negotiation clause after the 1st year.
25 Aug 2010, 16:02 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-241: I’m sure, but It hink he’s tough enough to handle himself….
25 Aug 2010, 16:02 pm
@money_man(money_man)-232: why you think i am having the fights i am money mate????
the insulting of a national capt and hero and trashed like a dog on blogs by people with agenda’s other then rugby
smit played damn good rugga last weekend
but an idiot cant see what he chooses not to see as per his agenda
25 Aug 2010, 16:03 pm
@money_man(money_man)-232: Did you see Bismarck play vs WP?
25 Aug 2010, 16:03 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-243: I picked up quite a few errors by quite a few players on both sides….does that mean they should all be dropped?
Lets just build robots to play rugby, that way there will never be mistakes. Will make for thrilling viewing.
25 Aug 2010, 16:04 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-245: Thats no lie – he can dish it out more than he gets. A real mongrel worty of his mullet. That kid is something else
25 Aug 2010, 16:04 pm
@Pam Anderson’s left ( . )(Pam Anderson)-244: i think so too and this is not going to help SA rugby or mapoe one bit
he needs to be playing
25 Aug 2010, 16:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-200:
@JL1(JL1)-212:
Norman Jordaan, Wayne Julies?
25 Aug 2010, 16:05 pm
LOL
Some okes are so ingrained farked up racist they try and deny it and sommer show there colors again….!
Shame….
Ja….al die grootbekke…..thank heavens these bas tards no longer rule….fark me !
25 Aug 2010, 16:06 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-246:
Smit played a reasonable game when compared to his other performances this year, but compared to world class hookers, he is not up to it. It is nothing against his personality – it is just a fact.
25 Aug 2010, 16:06 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-247: bismark was great yes but he was able to play that way as the pack dominated
i am a fan of both these players , also you cant compare playing against the AB’s to playing WP
25 Aug 2010, 16:07 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-238: Apology accepted.
25 Aug 2010, 16:10 pm
plod feeding at the trough…..munch…munch…munch…
the losses mounting though….as i said they would….
Changes ??
No…pokes drop aplon and de jongh..
All the old munchers there….
munch munch munch at the trough…
sentimental old buggers here say we cant drop them….they will get good again….sometime…farks knows when…but soon….need there captaincy…there auras…
next weekend …lose again…
munch…munch …munch at the trough….
lekker!
25 Aug 2010, 16:10 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-253: boet i am one that has many a time said smit matfield and quite a few others should not be playing now but should have been reted and gone for condtioning.
the point in here is not if smit actually played bad or not, but why smit always takes the blame for everything even when he isnt in the team
many players were not up to standard last weekend , tell me is nothing said about Juan smiths missed tackle that lead to the first try????
25 Aug 2010, 16:11 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-255: thanks
25 Aug 2010, 16:13 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-254: That is the whole point, is it not? Why is our pack not dominating? Could it be that the Sharks pack dominated because Bismarck was there, and could it be that the Bok pack will then also dominate because he is there? Surely Bismarck has proven himself at test level for me to assume that he will have a greater impact on the game than Smit?
McCaw said after the match that they knew they had the Boks beat because they saw how Smit and co were standing with their hands on their knees. I mean, come on, sentimentality aside, is John Smit the best hooker that we can put on the field? I do not think so.
And his captaincy? What good is his captaincy doing the team after 4 consecutive losses? And please, don’t tell me that the same happened in 2006 and the team rose to the occasion after that. Just look at our test record in 2007 and you will see why I believe that our mediocrity was covered up with a World Cup win.
25 Aug 2010, 16:14 pm
@grant10(grant10)-256:
Jeez but you are monotonous.
Have you no real input? You carry on like a two year old whose doll was stolen.
25 Aug 2010, 16:15 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-236:
Until some players are a bit off color (pun intended) afa their game go, then they’re quotas… because of their… guess…
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25 Aug 2010, 16:15 pm
some fools will have smit in a zimmerframe playing efore saying enough is enough…..pride and ego…thats all.
Didnt stop over 78 % of bloggers …out of 2600 votes….wanting smit to retire after tri nations…..
ja….says it all …
25 Aug 2010, 16:16 pm
You know the saying ” better to keep quiet and let everyone think you are a fool rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt” – well don’t you guys think that applies as much to a blog. The fact that your personna is not known does not remove you from idiocy of your comments on a blog like this.
Also I wish some would just keep quiet – apologies if this sounds a little sanctimonious but going on and on about something will not make it more or less true/right. If something is true you only need to say it once. Its the old ego that has to be satisified that persists in ensuring that everyone knows that you know what is right. Give it a rest guys.Please
25 Aug 2010, 16:17 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-253:
These players in my mind should all have been rested and gone for conditioning
smit
matfield
spies
habana
schalk even though he had a great game
russouw
guthro
those already reasting
brussow
Fdup
bakkies
beast and bismark just back from long rests
JFourie
25 Aug 2010, 16:17 pm
@Pam Anderson’s left ( . )(Pam Anderson)-260: ask me some questions….my input available to you….
25 Aug 2010, 16:17 pm
there is a saying … If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck
25 Aug 2010, 16:20 pm
@grant10(grant10)-265:
Would you regard 78% of bloggers here as having great rugby knowledge?
25 Aug 2010, 16:20 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-263: yessir piesangs
25 Aug 2010, 16:22 pm
@Pam Anderson’s left ( . )(Pam Anderson)-267: lets put it this way….
i would regard 22 % as morons….
you work out the math
25 Aug 2010, 16:22 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-257: Atreides said that all the players probably made mistakes and we could blame all of them if we wanted to. The problem arises when the same players make the same mistakes week in and week out. In all fairness to John, he is tired and he is out of form and it can be rectified, but he should realize that his presence is not good for the team.
Did you see him at the press conference on Tuesday? He does not look right. He looks under pressure, angry and irritated. That is not good for the team. He should know better than anyone else that he needs a bit of distance away from the spotlight and away from the team.
I know he does not select himself, but surely there are grounds for him, or anyone else within the powers that be, to make a case for him to rest. That is what irks me most about everything.
25 Aug 2010, 16:23 pm
@grant10(grant10)-256: munch munch…classic stuff. It may become the new “turbo reverse”..
25 Aug 2010, 16:25 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-270: i understand mate
to me they dont just become bad players , we all know something is wrong
they need rest , and no not only for one month
25 Aug 2010, 16:26 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-271: LOL
Ja…..Turbo Reverse….
The fat Boys Club
now Munch…Munch…
Bloody hell!
25 Aug 2010, 16:28 pm
ralapelle has only been cheated if he genuinely feels that he is the next best 2 in the country.
the bulls have never had him as their preferred 2, or made any secret about it.
this oke is way overrated…glimpses of potential in a perrenially injured career.
much like burton francis packing up and moving to the lions to get the starts that he feels he deserves.
no wait
isn’t that oke janjties the talk of the town in the lion kingdom.?
this is much about nothing.
players need to take some responsibility for themselves.
we live in a fckup world..particularly SA.
Everyone knows non white players are used as political pawns whenever convenient. what to say, coaches can only operate in the perameters they are given. That is the rules of the “game” weather we like it or not.
why wouldn’t have chilli just have announced his unavailibily for the foreseable future and concentrate on his provincial career for the moment? As it is, it looks as if Maku has leapfrogged him anyway. Probably because he is playing more?
who knows
this is a nothing article.
25 Aug 2010, 16:28 pm
@nama1(nama1)-251: I liked Julies – quality distributor – shame he didn’t have much speed.
25 Aug 2010, 16:29 pm
smit should be put out to pasture.
Then he can munch, munch to his hearts desire.
No amount of rest going to turn back the hands of time…its over…klaa…kaput.
Niks oor nie….the petrol is gone…red lights on dashboard flickering brightly.
By the time Smit is fit and ready Bissy is 10 miles ahead of him.
Its called Father Time….and he is a hard son of a beetch….
No chaps….Mr mUNCH MUST CALL IT….PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
25 Aug 2010, 16:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-276: You have changed dude – you genuinely have hate for Smit as a person. The reality is he was the most successful bok captain, is respected around the world by players, coaches and fans, and the fact that he is coming to the end of his career is a shame for him and plenty of supporters.
It isn’t necessary to delight in it.
25 Aug 2010, 16:34 pm
blast from the past….
Smit, reacting to reports that senior World
Cup Springboks were demanding a meeting
with De Villiers to allay fears about their
future, said no player had the right to ask
for any selection guarantee. He included
himself in this category.
“Yes we won the World Cup, but no
player in that World Cup squad is bigger
than the game or bigger than the national
team. No player has ownership of the
Springbok jersey. It is earned through
performance.
“I said it before we played Wales (last
November) that we have to move on from
the World Cup success. Iâ €™d like to think
we already have” said Smit.
“As far as
I am concerned nothing has changed: If a
player consistently performs he makes it
hard for the selectors not to pick him. No
player should be given preferential
treatment on the basis of what has been
achieved. It is about how he is performing
in 2008 that matters.
“I was fortunate to chat with Peter and I’m as optimistic about the Boks in 2008
as I was about the Boks in 2007. Whether I
am picked for the Springboks in 2008 or
not I am comfortable the future is bright for
the Springboks. I don’t share the view
that it is doom and gloom and I think those
opinions are ill-informed and unfair
towards the new coach”
25 Aug 2010, 16:34 pm
I am looking forward to the Genia/Hougard battle, should be worth the entrance fee alone !!
Hougard going to have to put lots of pressure on Genia to disrupt the service to cooper !!
25 Aug 2010, 16:36 pm
What’s the point in typing the same thing every day OCD style?
25 Aug 2010, 16:36 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-277:
…the name calling is a little childish,isn’t it.
25 Aug 2010, 16:37 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-279: Genia has been off form this 3N so far, weighed down by injury. Will be interesting to see if he’s made a recovery.
25 Aug 2010, 16:38 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-264:
Overplaying players in the S14 only to rest them for the internationals surely can’t be the right way to go. Why did we not rest those players for the first 6/7 S14 matches and have them fresh for the test season? If we did that, a guy like VM would’ve played “only” 14/15 matches at this stage. Instead, he now has already played more than 20. (22?)
Isn’t that the way to go? Imagine all those players being rested and the Bok B team getting 50+ points put past them? This past few weeks would’ve been a picnic compared to what you would have witnessed on this site then.
Also, what would the purpose of a rest period be now if the players are going to play 14/15 S15 matches again next year? Don’t you think that they’ll be just as tired come the WC?
Remember, there’s also a 3N to be played before the WC.
If I read some of you okes’ correctly it seems you want the following:
-Play your top players in the S14;
-Rest your top players during the international season;
-Play them in the CC after the international season is over;
-Rest them for the end of year tour;
-Play them in the S15 next year;
-Rest them in the 3N;
-Take them to the WC.
It does not make sense to me.
25 Aug 2010, 16:39 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-282: He was pretty good against South Africa – the Kiwis were able to shut him down.
25 Aug 2010, 16:39 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-282:
Will be very interesting to observe !!, agree he has not been as good as when he exploded onto the scene…..hope that trait continues
25 Aug 2010, 16:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-278:
…if there was ever any further evidence needed why deVilliers sticks with Smit.
Smit backed DeVilliers to the hilt when DeVilliers was needing support.
currently it looks the other way around.
I still maintain that Smits form will be assessed properly next season withregards to WC selection.
25 Aug 2010, 16:40 pm
@grant10(grant10)-276: So tell me how does Blondie put up with it when you go on and on about the same thing? I think we’ve all heard you and understand that you feel JS should be put out to pasture but now you are rambling on like someone who should be put out to some other kind of pasture
G10 in case you missed it “We’ve heard you, don’t necessarily agree but we’ve heard you” – You may possibly also be right but for our sakes God forbid that that should be the case.
25 Aug 2010, 16:41 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-277: i admit to not liking him…..i always felt he was no more than a very average player…..throughout his career….
But the LW slating was the end for me…its true….i just cant reconcile myself to a bok capt slating another fellow bok in a book….its cheap and undignified…..
I would love to meet Smit…i would tell him face to face with pleasure…..i really abhor what he did ….
But you are right…i dont like him…at all…
As for taking delight in his demise ….well lets just say i believe he has long time overstayed his worth….and his presence curtailed a few better players than he will ever be.
25 Aug 2010, 16:42 pm
@grant10(grant10)-288: Have you read Smit’s book?
25 Aug 2010, 16:42 pm
@nama1(nama1)-283: nama i hear what ur saying and it is very complicated
but rugby is very physical and the top players bodies are taking a pounding
i dont have all the answers , but somehow time for these players to be rested needs to be found
VM himself has said he hardly goes to gym just to preserve energy
25 Aug 2010, 16:43 pm
@nama1(nama1)-283: Ideally the national set-up would have the power to pull players out of certain games, this goes for all nations. Test rugby should be at the forefront of the sport because the clubs generally don’t make a profit through the gate.
25 Aug 2010, 16:43 pm
Just a thought…
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
~ Theodore Roosevelt
25 Aug 2010, 16:45 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-287: remember how ‘luke the puke’ was manhandled day in and day out on this site….?Shame on you okes for not saying anything then!
Now its Smit and all the santimonious Hypocrites crawl out the woodwork??
dish it out but cant handle the heat ladies?
25 Aug 2010, 16:45 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-292: pretty cool quote
25 Aug 2010, 16:46 pm
@grant10(grant10)-288: Yea and some of the things LW said were as, if not more, indefensible. However I imagine you would either call fro him to be forgiven, or try to condone what he said? Why not afford Smit the same courtesy?
25 Aug 2010, 16:46 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-289: i would never do that…..i will not contribute a cent to the munchers pension fund.
25 Aug 2010, 16:46 pm
@grant10(grant10)-288:
that is completely contradictory.
Watson had plenty to say withregards to Smit and White in 2006?
But that is okay by your fcked up standards, right?
puking on the bok emblem…okay for you as well, obviously.
watson has shown to be an average player and even more average person time and again.
Smit on the other hand will go down as a legend of our rugby. A tri-nations and WC winning captain to boot.
25 Aug 2010, 16:47 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-294: My favourite!! Always brings me down to earth when i find myself being an armchair expert d**s…
25 Aug 2010, 16:48 pm
@grant10(grant10)-293: most of those who got at LW have left the site
25 Aug 2010, 16:48 pm
i am off
outta here
25 Aug 2010, 16:48 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-291:
there are way more club televised games than international ones.
football also makes a pittance through the gates when compared to the broadcasting income.
25 Aug 2010, 16:50 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-297: rah rah pom pom girl….
smit is a has been ….
now outta here
25 Aug 2010, 16:50 pm
@grant10(grant10)-300:
mind the step as you leave….
25 Aug 2010, 16:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-302:
still better than being…”a never was”
ne?
25 Aug 2010, 16:52 pm
@grant10(grant10)-296: Don’t you think it is maybe worth borrowing a copy off a friend and reading the chapter that mentions Watson?
25 Aug 2010, 16:54 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-301: well ok fair enough, I don’t know about SA provinces but there is barely a club in England or France that makes a profit, they’re nearly all loss-making and any money spent comes from the pockets of businessmen (Rupert at Saracens a good example amongst others). Test rugby by contrast makes a lot of money. Against that background test rugby is the jewel in the crown of the sport and as such should surely be given precedence?
25 Aug 2010, 16:56 pm
Not just disgusted, but ‘utterly disgusted’, what a strange choice of words.
I mean I can imagine getting utterly disgusted at having to bite into a **** sandwich, but cant say my sensitivities are so horrifically offended when PdV is selecting arguably the best rugby captain in the world at hooker.
25 Aug 2010, 16:58 pm
What is wrong with the word t u r d? It’s PC gone mad, a natual bodily function.
25 Aug 2010, 16:59 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-275:
Yeah, good player. He was very underrated. You’re right about his speed, or lack thereof.
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-290:
Their bodies should be taking a pounding for their country, first and foremost. Not their provinces/franchises, as is currently the case.
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-291:
My point exactly. You think this will happen in SA? Not a chance.
Not as long as there are people who say things like: Bulls 1st, then Blue Bulls and after that, the Bokke.
25 Aug 2010, 17:04 pm
@nama1(nama1)-309: sorry no disrespect boet may ( and of course i dont know you )maybe you have not played rugby
and as you could see saturday smit was bleeding for his country
no matter what but a human body can only take so much just ask dr TIM NOAKES
25 Aug 2010, 17:05 pm
Oh **** I see that idiot grantie is still flapping his lips – ffs keo can’t you simply spot the sterrerjies to all of grants posts
25 Aug 2010, 17:05 pm
Nama mate also remember the front row takes more body punnishment then any other position
25 Aug 2010, 17:05 pm
Likely Wallabies starting team:
15. Beale
14. O’Connor
13. Adam Ashley-Cooper
12. Matt Giteau
11. Drew Mitchell
10. Quade Cooper
9. Will Genia
8. Richard Brown
7. David Pocock
6. Rocky Elsom (c)
5. Nathan Sharpe
4. Dean Mumm
3. Salesi Ma’afu
2. Saia Faingaa
1. Benn Robinson.
possible 5/2 split on the bench
(rugbyheaven.com)
25 Aug 2010, 17:06 pm
@cab(cab)-311: lol cabby
they guy seriously needs help
25 Aug 2010, 17:07 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-312: But props can often play on the longest as they don’t have to be as mobile, where as a hooker does need to be extra mobile.
25 Aug 2010, 17:07 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-247:
Yes he schooled the front row and loose forwards, he should at least be on the bench with Smit playing 50-60mins, and the giving the captain some time on the bench the following week and a break on the EOYT with a Liebenberg or Fourie or any other current S14 hooker in the land before the uber quota Ralepelle.
Not going to happen.
25 Aug 2010, 17:08 pm
@nama1(nama1)-309: sorry misread what you said, and yes they should be country first specially if they are to be the world cup squad
this will mean the bulls , stormers and sharks lose many players but it has to be done
to me the top 20 players should surely not play currie cup and be rested
25 Aug 2010, 17:10 pm
Comparing players is done best, I think, if you pick a team. Here is my Tri-nation’s 15 based on performance during the tournament.
1. Woodcock (Nz)
2. Mealamu (Nz)
3. Du Plessis (RSA)
4. Nathan Sharpe (Oz)
5. Thorn (Nz)
6. Juan Smit (RSA)
7. MacCaw (Nz)
8. Elsom – Had to find a spot for him (Oz)
9. Weepu – No obvious winner (Nz)
10. Carter (Nz)
11. O’Connor (Oz)
12. Nonu (Nz)
13. Ashley-Cooper (Oz)
14. Jane (Nz)
15. Mills (Nz)
Nz – 9
Oz – 4
RSA – 2
If we are honest, not many SA players deserve to make this team based on performance
25 Aug 2010, 17:10 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-315: agreed wolf
then rest smitt and get him under a conditioning program
he was made to pick up weight to help the boks at TH
that weight he still has , and no not in fat but in muscle ,
it has taken his mobility away
or they have to play him at prop , but a change has to be made
25 Aug 2010, 17:11 pm
@grant10(grant10)-262:
“Didnt stop over 78 % of bloggers …out of 2600 votes….wanting smit to retire after tri nations…..”
Didn’t stop the majority of South Africans voting in Jacob Zuma so the likes of his son and a very select few can strip Billions, out of the now BEE obliterated RSA mining sector, a source for the people now down the drain.
So what was your point again, oh yes, not much, bag to being tea-bagged by your good ‘mate’ JR.
25 Aug 2010, 17:12 pm
@grant10(grant10)-293: If you recall my dear deluded fellow blogger I came and stated that LW was more than likely misunderstood and in my opinions we needed to bury the hatchet against him not put it in him. In fact I even praised him concerning his way of handling the takeover of the captaincy at Bath – Have you done the same for JS in any way? – who is santimonious now?
25 Aug 2010, 17:13 pm
wolf as sorry as i feel for guthro?? i would have smitty at LH with bismark in the middle
25 Aug 2010, 17:13 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-310:
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-312:
During the 12-15 scrums per match, you mean? What about the loosies who hit ruck after ruck?
You miss my point. It’s not about Smit. You mentioned a few names in an earlier post and I responded to that.
Let’s leave it at that. Don’t have enough time to break it down. (No disrespect).
25 Aug 2010, 17:17 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-317:
OK, see you got my point.
25 Aug 2010, 17:18 pm
All I want to know is who let grant out of the jacuzzi? Dammit man is there no attempt at any quality control in here!
25 Aug 2010, 17:18 pm
@nama1(nama1)-323:
nama
i understand that
but yeah even habana needs a break from rugga , he is a quality player just going through a bad patch
i am also talking in general
he too has been playing none stop
25 Aug 2010, 17:20 pm
LOL
Oh my word….here we go again.
Plod cant make it as a 3 …..
Back to 2….cant make it…
solution….lets move him to 1….
FFS !!
The accomodation of the fat boy has no limits…..
Guthro by far the best 1 in the land….
beast making a huge attempt to get back via sharks….
but lets drop them to accomodate an unfit, overweight …poor and out of form Plod….!
Does my head in…
25 Aug 2010, 17:21 pm
@cab(cab)-325:
Don’t slate the ‘Clifton beach struggle rebel without a cause’.
25 Aug 2010, 17:21 pm
which blogger wrote this glowing tribute about Plod?
Smit – Extaordinary leader. Big tackles
and huge in the big games. He brings brains
with the brawn, which is what seperates
this side. Fitzpatrick is the best captain I
have seen, but Smit is as close as one comes
into of taking it for the team and being very
wiley in handling the oppo and ref. Saved
us against Fiji and Samoa by regathering
and refocussing. Indominable, well spoken
and regal on the park.
25 Aug 2010, 17:21 pm
@cab(cab)-325: as you just saw i knew it would get attention , does not take much huh????
25 Aug 2010, 17:21 pm
@grant10(grant10)-288: Any Bok saying that what Luke said, earns no respect as a Bok player
25 Aug 2010, 17:22 pm
@Dumb Supporter(DumbSupporter)-318: changes I’d make:
1. Steenkamp (SA)
3. O.Franks (NZ)
7. Burger (SA)
8. Read (NZ)
11. Rokocoko (NZ)
13. De Jongh (SA)
but your point is certainly sound.
25 Aug 2010, 17:22 pm
78% out of 2600 votes wanted barney out of the big brother house.
That is not the same as saying 78% of 2600 people.
How many times did grantie vote I wonder.
25 Aug 2010, 17:23 pm
@cab(cab)-325: quality control?
Is that what you Frenchies call restricting freedom of speech these days?
Scroll on by tou bloody wally….its not difficult!
I do it with your garbage 99 % of the time.
And with some others 100% of the time.
25 Aug 2010, 17:24 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-332: Burger being blindside, McCaw (or even Pocock) at openside.
25 Aug 2010, 17:24 pm
@gunther(gunther)-333: once…..
25 Aug 2010, 17:27 pm
Oh fk when he’s in this sort of mood, we all in trouble, the entire blog is devoted to turbo fat plod- 343 posts of what can only be termed s h i t e.
25 Aug 2010, 17:28 pm
anyway….leave the wit wolwe to the sanctity of there lair…..with aplon, de jongh and Guthro looking more and more like an endangered species the fat boys club really looking like a relic from the distant past….
25 Aug 2010, 17:28 pm
@cab(cab)-337: munch munch munch
25 Aug 2010, 17:28 pm
@cab(cab)-337:
25 Aug 2010, 17:29 pm
According to the article, Ralepelle is a “token” selection.
Is “token” now the new pc word for “quota”…
Ha, you woolly farking Cape Town liberals…
25 Aug 2010, 17:29 pm
@grant10(grant10)-327: You know what the problem with you isis the more I flush the more you just dob about, you just won’t flush into the Atlantic
Yada, yada, yada
John Smit this and John Smit that all day and all night
Go and see a shrink about this unhealthy obsession
25 Aug 2010, 17:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-341: hiyas HG
25 Aug 2010, 17:29 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-291: thats a great thought BH, you could gear it on the AB model
25 Aug 2010, 17:30 pm
@cab(cab)-337: G10 is the seventh sigma – non existent quality control in budgie smugglers…
25 Aug 2010, 17:31 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-306: true Bh, stop all June development tours
25 Aug 2010, 17:32 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-343: Howzit SL – lovely win this weekend for the Sharks.
That’s keeping the clifton budgie smugglers (Speedo-wearers) quiet…
25 Aug 2010, 17:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-347:
yup mate
must say she sharks new brand of rugby is sweet on the eyes
obviously not perfect but whatever Plum and Reeceas well as the other coaching staff are doing is working
and of course the players players doing their part
25 Aug 2010, 17:35 pm
I feel a bit bad everyone is ganging up on the old budgy smuggler from down south. Never has a man spoken so much and said so little – cab
25 Aug 2010, 17:35 pm
I see the Sharks team has not been anounced yet
i think one or two of the injury worries have not been solved yet
25 Aug 2010, 17:36 pm
When is Keo going to be censored – just on QC alone I think many journalists in SA deserve to come under the censorship axe – especially the rugby writers. Devious little lying ********…
25 Aug 2010, 17:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-347: hiyas ^5 george
25 Aug 2010, 17:38 pm
lol HG i see you got that wooden spoon out
25 Aug 2010, 17:39 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-348: Yeah, they are playing a style reminiscent of 90′s Sharks – smash mouth and Mac’s “rugger is 90% possession” principles…
I heard a rumour about JdJ…
25 Aug 2010, 17:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-354: oh??
25 Aug 2010, 17:41 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-348: How long ago were people on this site saying ” there is **** going down in Kwazulu country” or something to that effect. Everyone was decrying the demise of our provincial team and saying we should be replaced by the Elephants etc. Seems similar to the mutterings about certain individuals in the Bok squad, alhough it will be stated that this is the reason the Sharks are doing well i.e. the certain individuals are missing- utter bollocks.
25 Aug 2010, 17:43 pm
I thought mac was a great coach, but his record with the Boks was terrible, couldn’t understand it really
25 Aug 2010, 17:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-352: You need some karma…? your overrated brokeback streeptruie with that treacherous nienaber got their karma against the sharkies, hey… lekker. If he aint good enough againt the black and whites then hes def not good enough against the all blacks…
25 Aug 2010, 17:45 pm
@cab(cab)-357: Wrong time, wrong place and an unfortunate bit of ear cannibalism may have had something to do with his DCM (dont come monday)…
25 Aug 2010, 17:47 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-344: you laugh pops, but how great would it be to see full strength sides in all test windows, we might even see who was really the best between world cups then
25 Aug 2010, 17:47 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-356: agreed bananas , whats happened here is plum and the coaching staff got together, did their homework after we just kicked everything in the super 14 and have changed
awesome to see
25 Aug 2010, 17:48 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-356: It was in a bad place, there is no doubt about that…
It seems that the Sharks have regained a bit of professionalism which had being taken for granted and had lapsed a bit…
25 Aug 2010, 17:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-358: who said i support Province?
hahahahaha
25 Aug 2010, 17:51 pm
See the waters are infected by chest beating Sharkies………careful gents……it’s currently a under strength CC and the Sharks have been less affected than the other big boys with Bok duty …….oh yes, us having to play our reserve hooker at lossie for most of the game did not help……..so down boys , down !!!!
Going out for a while ……catch up later !!
HG …..budgie smugglers ……..farking funny ……lol !!
25 Aug 2010, 17:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-363: You sound and act like one. A flipflopping any-way-the-wind-blows throw-the-bath-out-with-the-bath-water panic merchant
Ja, you G10, minime and the rest of the liberal crew – streeptruie all…
25 Aug 2010, 17:53 pm
HG
yes probably bad timing, he was probably one of the main reasons natal got their name on the cc board and with the golden team era – nevertheless the sharks were prob the first pro union in sa, especially in terms of buying a helluva lot of talent
25 Aug 2010, 17:54 pm
@cab(cab)-349: LOL, didn’t see that one
25 Aug 2010, 17:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-365:
25 Aug 2010, 17:54 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-364: But the way the Boks have been playing thats hardly likely to improve your performances
25 Aug 2010, 17:55 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-364: Its not funny
G10 is the head of your budgie-smuggling clifton gang…?
25 Aug 2010, 17:56 pm
@cab(cab)-366: Yeah, Mac will always be legend for the Sharks…
25 Aug 2010, 17:57 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-369: eish
25 Aug 2010, 18:05 pm
Grantie don’t tell me you only voted once!
Any more porkies from you and you are going to have to start typing with your nose.
25 Aug 2010, 18:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-365: whatever goerge
then you’re a sentimentalist, senile, plod-worshiping, guppy-loving, dumb struck f’ckadilly colonalist 
hahahaha
25 Aug 2010, 18:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-374: It senile, barney-loyal, Shark-supporting, farking-clever-realist, Sir to you…
25 Aug 2010, 18:26 pm
@ 342 JL1
Why have a go at G10 for voicing his concern over the constant garbage produced by the team captain. Ricky gets bashed whether he plays or not. If Ricky gets slated for being ”slow” why cant Smit be judged for being c.rap, slow, unable to throw a lineout, scrum, yada yada yada?
25 Aug 2010, 18:30 pm
@The Dude(RaynoG)-376: Because Barney is Captain and even at his worst is still farking good. Thats more than can be said for warthog…
25 Aug 2010, 18:32 pm
@377 HEAVEN’S GAME
Lacking logic mate
25 Aug 2010, 18:33 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-356: The difference is you got your cheque book out and called your lawyers to comb through the contracts of all South African rugby players.
The Boks don’t have that luxury.
25 Aug 2010, 18:36 pm
@The Dude(RaynoG)-378: No logic can get through to woolly liberals…
25 Aug 2010, 18:38 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-379: Its actually more to do with the Sharks opposition being rubbish… Nienaber or no Nienaber – Weepee is overrated, so are their players…
25 Aug 2010, 18:39 pm
@The Dude(RaynoG)-376: Fair enough, Ricky is not mentioned in every sentence
Ricky is only mentioned ito his performance, nothing personal
G10 is going personal all the time
25 Aug 2010, 18:40 pm
doug wilson aka Kevin Nealon is one funny guy
25 Aug 2010, 18:41 pm
@JL1(JL1)-382: What do expect from a dolphin watching budgie smuggler in the midst of a midlife crisis…
Outtahere
25 Aug 2010, 18:43 pm
ja don’t let these double standard two face colonialists try bullsh’t their way round their hypocritical compromising lies Raynog. One mans pork chops is another mans jelly wobble, when it comes down to ultimate quotas in Bok’s team for now I’d hazard a guess that el capitano vetgat and the gladiator No.8 actually are top of the list.
25 Aug 2010, 18:46 pm
@380 HEAVENS GAME
You sound like AWB
Afrikaner Without Brains
@382 JL1
Nonsense. Ricky gets unfair treatment all the time. Smit gets a standing ovation for 100 caps. Ricky gets booed by 90000. K@k man.
25 Aug 2010, 18:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-381: Just don’t tell them that!
25 Aug 2010, 18:48 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-385: Whats two face about being rationally loyal to the Boks and Barney, as opposed to stupidly throwing the bath out with the bathwater in blind panic…? ya farking flipflopping dimwit…
25 Aug 2010, 18:49 pm
@The Dude(RaynoG)-386: Ricky hasn’t performed since 2008, John hasn’t performed for 4 tests. You can’t compare the two of them.
25 Aug 2010, 18:51 pm
@The Dude(RaynoG)-386: Typical… with no answer…
Out comes your poppers…
… not to self-flagellate, but to attempt to self-procreate…
25 Aug 2010, 18:52 pm
really outtahere
25 Aug 2010, 19:02 pm
@390 HEAVENS GAME
You didn’t ask me a question. Going to practice, excuse the silence. Good chat!
25 Aug 2010, 19:02 pm
@The Dude(RaynoG)-386: Ricky could not get into a CC side even with all the quota help at his disposal
Smitty has been there done that, current form obviously is not what it should be according to his own standards, but he is still way better than RJ Ito of total contribution to the team
@skopskiet(yliad)-385: Thanks for the kind words, seems that the green pills are having a good effect on you
25 Aug 2010, 19:07 pm
Question:Previous coaches got all sacked or severely reprimanded for losing fewer games than this coach
Is there a different set of rules for this coach and his cronies?
25 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
Ralepele got a raw deal, much like Ruan Pienaar. I’ve never rated him, but when he got his chance he played well. There are so many hookers that deserved more chances: Gary Botha, Schalk Britz, Tiaan Liebenberg, Strauss from FS, the Shark’s new hooker, Deon Fourie of WP, to name a few. It seems that we have an embarressment of riches on hooker, yet we pick the only out of form, aging hooker.
If we must be dead honest though, nobody touches Bismarck, not even Smit in his prime.
It’s just the way the cookie crumbles…
25 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
@JL1(JL1)-393: lol hiyas JLI and well said
25 Aug 2010, 19:20 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-396: The site has been hectic
I see the budgie smuggling beach hippie threatened you today
25 Aug 2010, 19:24 pm
pity is these double standard two faced twits can’t even see their own blind hypocrisy, if Ricky January where white and FdP were brown the boot would be eactly on the other foot, and anyone here trying to bullsh’t themselves to the contrary sre the biggest lying two faced hypocrites out. Just imagine Smit had to carry a brown body aroind that obese frame, I’d sure just love to hear all the flowing patriotic gat kruipery going on ariund his diabolical performances then. Like Olivier,how many witgats actually call him the quota that he is, yet Jacobs, and lately even ex Blou Buls quotatjie darling Habana been getting it in the neck from these flip flopping colonialist two faced hyypocrite liars. Smit can practically wobble onto the field and collapse in a heap after 40 minutes huff n puff, yet in these @rselick jelly wobble hero worshippers eyes he ain’t nor ever can be termed the quota token player he actually IS..
25 Aug 2010, 19:26 pm
@JL1(JL1)-397: shark-lover is a bang broek if he thinks he was threatened! Haha
is he scared to come to cape town now?
25 Aug 2010, 19:34 pm
@JL1(JL1)-397: lol yup mate , but fear not he is welcome to try anytime
but he aint worth it , a waste of typing even
25 Aug 2010, 19:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-399: transie who is threatened?? please mate i even told him where to find me
25 Aug 2010, 19:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-399: you like to assume you know me huh???
25 Aug 2010, 19:46 pm
boks better hope the altitude assists them the weekend….i reckon the aussies have been a bit silly training in CT the whole week…..last 20 may see us home.
25 Aug 2010, 19:48 pm
if we do lose…..well then i reckon a big ugly tomcat let loose in the hen house……
Plod will have run out of lives….perhaps even PDV as well….
it may get ugly.
25 Aug 2010, 19:58 pm
would have been so much more to look forward to if we had experimented a bit more and played some new blood.
Probably be the skop en jaag game again……a narrow bok win …..same old same old.
25 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
@grant10(grant10)-404: Helloo….Strange old day here on ‘Sunny Keo’ !!
You just watch, now Smittie has got his 100 he will hang his boots up soon!
You will be bereft!!
25 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-402: assume to know you? Who the f*ck are you?
25 Aug 2010, 20:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-399: Transie, I am no bigot or racist, Smits form has been poor for a couple of tests
RJ’s form has been diabolical, sent to Wales to see if they can help, it did not work, anyway…….
Smit has also not been up there, by my word, I do not carry on ad naseaum about Smit or RJ or for that matter any other player
Let the natural course run now, Smit and PDV need to pull a rabbit outta the hat
Now it could happen by selecting certain young individuals or by getting some professional experts(read coaches) to help out, or it could happen by getting the right combinations to play together or it could even happen by getting injured players back and having a full strength Bok team
…..but the yadda, yadda about Smit is really someone just showing that they know sweet f’all about rugby
SA rugby is better than 1992 but we are still some way of being very good consistently
We now need administrators with a strategy and a vision, professional coaches and assistants, experts in the required fields and selectors selecting the right players
Strong leadership
I get the feeling we just pitch up on a Saturday afternoons the same as we did 100 years ago, that is just not good enough
Smits form is neither the root or the cure of the problem
25 Aug 2010, 20:08 pm
@carol(carol)-406: LOL
Its all just theatre…..as Keo would say….
25 Aug 2010, 20:10 pm
@carol(carol)-406: hey carol, longtime no see, how is it over there on RT, you must be having fun, having GBS all to yourself
25 Aug 2010, 20:10 pm
@JL1(JL1)-408: munch…munch…munch…
yada…yada…yada….
All talk….no action.
We need a John Mitchell….or a Martin Johnson….or even better a Robbie Deans…
Now he really culled the aussie fat boys club…
25 Aug 2010, 20:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-407: well you calling me a bang broek??
25 Aug 2010, 20:12 pm
just saw Smit on news…..he is still looking out of shape.
but his aura like Spies…..solid and strong…..
so he is good to go!
25 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
best is transie just scroll past K???
25 Aug 2010, 20:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-411: Give it a rest, really pathetic, go patrol the beach or throw darts at your John Smit poster
25 Aug 2010, 20:16 pm
@JL1(JL1)-408: for the record, i don’t remember ever saying you were a bigot
yeah man it makes a mockery of the paying public when a dikgat player like smit who has been kak since the 1st game vs wales is played EVERY week!
25 Aug 2010, 20:18 pm
@grant10(grant10)-409: Does Keo ever show his face here these days?
25 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-410: Hello Confused of Cape Town….Who rattled your cage?
25 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
@JL1(JL1)-415: go scroll through the keo records….i never engage you ….you seek me out…..so i suggest you do as i do…scroll my man…its best…it will save you heartache…..just ignore me….as i will you.
I dont like you….i dont respect you….i believe you are a bigot ….i can go on….but wont.
So leave me alone….as i will leave you….and we will co exist happily here in cyber space……Same as i do with 2 other bloggers…..just ignore…its not difficult actually.
25 Aug 2010, 20:20 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-416: And so many players being played by coaches before
25 Aug 2010, 20:21 pm
@JL1(JL1)-415: …and it looks like the rain here today is making you all ‘scratchy’ too.
Wassup with everyone?
25 Aug 2010, 20:23 pm
@JL1(JL1)-394: yes there is a different set of rules, look at how the “Boks” were embarrassed with their end of year tour against english club sides..it started then. but PdV and his cronies could loose every single game to the end of 2011 WC and they would remain untouchable – don’t you know, its the dawn of lack of accountability.
25 Aug 2010, 20:23 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-412: jl1 said you were ‘threatened’ and you acknowledged it, now i was askin HIM if that’s what he really thought. Don’t get your shark panties in a knot
i know you like swearing at other bloggers so i’ll stop now before another avalanche of vulgarity
25 Aug 2010, 20:25 pm
@carol(carol)-417: rarely!
25 Aug 2010, 20:27 pm
@JL1(JL1)-415: ha ha ha…
25 Aug 2010, 20:28 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-423: scroll by
25 Aug 2010, 20:29 pm
@carol(carol)-421: Carol, the same reasons on Keo why the best knowledgeable bloggers left and formed their own blog
I see your cricket team is coming to London, good luck with that one should be big, are you up for the double header at Twickenham?
25 Aug 2010, 20:31 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-422: Definitely a new set of rules
Eric Sauls have been doing what he has been doing for years and nothing gets done to change it
PdV seems protected as wellk
25 Aug 2010, 20:35 pm
I see Robbie wants some of the fat boys back like Rodzilla
Deans will never coach SA with quotas forced upon him
Steve Waugh wanted to coach SA cricket until they told him he had to play quotas, he run faster than the budgie smuggler or Clifton beach after his relationships
25 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@JL1(JL1)-429:
25 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-422:
The same lack of accountability seems to be entrenched with the players !
They have signed contracts till WC 2011, does not matter if we win or lose, the moola is there for them anyway.
I say reduce basic salary and pay bonuses for a win !!!
25 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
@JL1(JL1)-428: PdV has apparently even said he won’t take responsibility for the loss on Saturday, I mean wtf??? Bring on Meyer!
25 Aug 2010, 20:41 pm
@JL1(JL1)-427: Our boys ‘Dun Good’!! We are dead pleased!
Will go and see the Boks in Cardiff again. Will there be an outing to Twickenham with ‘London Keo’ (Norms Nomads) do you think?
25 Aug 2010, 20:42 pm
@JL1(JL1)-429:
He does not have to…….. enough talented players of colour to start on merit !!!
25 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-431: Hey JR, long time…Your W.P boys let me down badly on Saturday, I had them them to beat the Sharks!
25 Aug 2010, 20:44 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-431: ja some of the older boys need a bit of a kick up the ar*se, but I like how some of the new blood like Hougaard, Aplon, De Jongh and Flip are playing. I’m not writing off the Boks for 2011.
25 Aug 2010, 20:45 pm
@JL1(JL1)-427:
Rubbish. The core of the guys who started RT did it because they couldn’t tolerate their “senior” status being challenged by young black bloggers who wouldn’t accept their point of views.
25 Aug 2010, 20:46 pm
@carol(carol)-435:
HI Carol
LOL…..me to, we were handicapped by losing 2 of our loose forwards and having to play a hooker as a loosie.
However , I did say that the Sharks at home were favourites…….also said the hard game we had against the Bulls the week before would take it’s toll on us in the last 20……which is what happened !!!
25 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-434: hope you not talking about RJ and chilli being there on merit?
25 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
Always barneys about Barney.
25 Aug 2010, 20:48 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-436:
Absolutely not, with proper and brave selections in key positions we will no doubt be a force !!!
Here I am talking about 2, 6, 8 10 !!
25 Aug 2010, 20:48 pm
@David(David)-437: are you one of those young black bloggers then?
25 Aug 2010, 20:49 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-434: That is just the point scrap quotas, we have enough talent across all spectrums
One week we will have 2poc and the next , so what
Same as style of play, Heineke Meyer said there is no such thing as attractive rugby, there is only winning rugby or losing rugby, I agree
25 Aug 2010, 20:51 pm
@David(David)-437: Not true, I was on the blog when it happened, check the records
25 Aug 2010, 20:51 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-441: what about 11, and the bench? I’d prefer JPP and Aplon instead of JPP and Habs.
25 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-432: We need a change across the board, but maybe that is a bit too radical, so maybe we need an evolutionary process
25 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-439:
Ricky definetely not , he has let himself down from a fitness perspective, I think Chilli is talented and needs to be given a chance, the best thing for him to do imo is perhaps look to join the Lions where he can get relevant game time to prove his abilities to his critics.
From what I have seen and I was at the French game the guy definetely has somethinhg to offer, given the chance !!
25 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-445: JP is a great player, Aplon has the heart, but needs some refinement
25 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-438: Well just as I was clawing my way up superBru that happened!!
Glad you have been getting ‘You know who’ back to his fighting weight!! I look forward to seeing the results!
25 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
John Smitty Smit can’t retire, he can’t do what the budgy smugglers call the honorable thing.
The reason he can’t is cos he’s been contracted by Saru until 2011.
The only question is whether they rest him on EOY tour, but he’s def going to the RWC smiling all the way like a cheeky ******
25 Aug 2010, 20:56 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-440: So if Barney retires and now LW is at Bath this blog may grind to a halt!!
25 Aug 2010, 20:56 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-438: we also lost 2 players early
excuses ?? eish
25 Aug 2010, 20:57 pm
@carol(carol)-451: carol the reason the wp lost is pure and simple they do not have the forwards to match
its also why they lost badly in the super 14 to the bulls and the sharks
flair play yes they have , power play nope
25 Aug 2010, 20:57 pm
@JL1(JL1)-446: We need Meyer
25 Aug 2010, 20:58 pm
This is getting ridiculous what is wrong with cheeky m o n k e y?
25 Aug 2010, 20:58 pm
@grant10(grant10)-413: You mean the man hasn’t improved his fitness since Saturday? At this rate P Divvy is going to start questioning his commitment to Springbok rugby
25 Aug 2010, 20:58 pm
Good day soda mate ^5
25 Aug 2010, 20:59 pm
@David(David)-437: Rubbish. When are you and the rest of the streeptrui budgie smugglers going to run off to form your own website: CliftonG10Sm(h)ittalk dot com…
It would be good riddance…
Average IQ and QC on this website would consequently rise exponentially…
25 Aug 2010, 20:59 pm
Look, for the record I hate to shatter your illusions boys but G10 really does not wear budgie smugglers!
But if Barney retires and G10 does not wear speedos then this blog may just curl up it’s toes!
Perhaps forget I mentioned it!
25 Aug 2010, 21:01 pm
@JL1(JL1)-448:To me Habs seems to have lost his edge. I agree Aplon does need refining just like GvdH who’s also talented new blood.
25 Aug 2010, 21:02 pm
@carol(carol)-449:
The results have been impressive
…….good coach !!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:03 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-453: Well this season has been a revelation for me as far as WP are concerned….
So you are off to C.T too!! Are you opening a restaurant there?
25 Aug 2010, 21:03 pm
@carol(carol)-459: good evening karolientjie
25 Aug 2010, 21:03 pm
@JL1(JL1)-444:
And I had personal experience of what had previously been going on behind the scenes. I have nothing against RT or the guys there. I’m just a little weary of hearing the “we started it because of all the politics on Keo”, when it was because their politically (racial)charged statements were attacked.
25 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
Robzim told us grant wore speedos – it’s a fact, they all do down in the cape. A sppedo is standard issue, hell it’s a cape town suit
25 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-452:
True though , yes excuse as well !!!!…….fark i hate losing to the Sharks……..see you at the Home of rugby !!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:05 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-463:
25 Aug 2010, 21:06 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-447: Ja let him play for the lions the step up from vodacom cup to Boks is too much. At present I’d put Bismark, Smit, Leibenberg, Botha, Strauss and Burden ahead of him.
25 Aug 2010, 21:08 pm
@foreverrugga(foreverrugga)-442:
At my age and colour? I doubt it.
25 Aug 2010, 21:08 pm
@David(David)-464: David, if RT makes you weary I suggest you stop reading it!!
It is a bit addictive tho, I agree!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:09 pm
@cab(cab)-465:
I have seen far more speedos on the beaches in Durbs………fact !!! especially during the Xmas period when all the Vaalies move down……..hell the same thing happens in CT ….. over that period. Now we know who the real speedo wearers are
Fact…….no one I know in CT owns a speedo
25 Aug 2010, 21:09 pm
the day the fat boy call it i will get open a bottle of bubbly and it wont touch sides…..
i will toast all the great young tightheads and hookers….and the odd loosehead, that had thepoor fortune of having to accomodate a very average rugby player because of these mythical leader powers…..strage powers since we seem to lose quite a lot.
Then i will toast the true spiritual warrior of SA rugby….the true grit champion …..the soul of the game….Luke….the great…Watson.
25 Aug 2010, 21:10 pm
@cab(cab)-465: cab, in the interests of accuracy it was Soda Joe not Robzim I think that first put Grant in speedos!!
Robzim can be blamed for many other things tho!
25 Aug 2010, 21:11 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-471: Actually you do know someone….his name begins with ‘R’!! He is a surfer!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:12 pm
JR
me thinks u okes protest too much, as sure as chips, u all have a speedo collection
25 Aug 2010, 21:13 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-466: no problem we will of course be there,
did you have a hard time at tank many years ago??
thus the dislikes there?? 
25 Aug 2010, 21:13 pm
Right cheers folks. We gonna beat the convicts!! wait and see, we will!!! Go Boks!!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:13 pm
@cab(cab)-475:
25 Aug 2010, 21:13 pm
@carol(carol)-470:
I don’t. It’s the guys who come on here and try to justify it. Why do they think they have to?
25 Aug 2010, 21:14 pm
ja…that mal soda joe with the speedo…bloody hell man…i have never lived it down….
Anyway….let these wit wolwe believe what they will……its all just theatre….as keo would say….
At least in 2 months time my mate and i are ball boys for the ladies volleyball team here on Clifton 2 nd….tough job….but i do my best…
25 Aug 2010, 21:14 pm
@carol(carol)-474:
You gotta be s hitting me !!!
That’s a sight I can’t picture !!
25 Aug 2010, 21:14 pm
Jr is Wp going to move stadiums??
25 Aug 2010, 21:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-472:
Does the blonde know about all those hookers?
25 Aug 2010, 21:16 pm
@David(David)-479: david?? being a little judgemental are we ??
firstly as you know i blog there and i dont have to justify anything
not top you mate or anyone else, amamzing you opnly see one side of a story
i thought you better the that david
25 Aug 2010, 21:17 pm
@grant10(grant10)-480: That was seriously funny evening here on the Keo Night Owl slot, when Soda Joe got you in then infamous speedos.
We had such fun!
25 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
@David(David)-483: LOL…Jaaaaa boet
25 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
@grant10(grant10)-480:
A 40 plus year old “boy”.
25 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
@grant10(grant10)-480:
Spurs 1-0 up …..gonna go watch……..G10……….need u strong boet !!
Cheers all !!
Carol…… nice to see you here !!
25 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
@David(David)-479: Hey, water under the bridge…let’s leave that one!
25 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
Carol
oh right, yep Joe makes alot of sense normally, only thing is his taste in music is very poor
25 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-482:
See you at the New home of rugby !!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-488: Great to see you…Will mail you soon.
25 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
@carol(carol)-485: ja….no doubt about it…loads of laughs…..skop one nite carrying on about Nazi sharks in False Bay with robzim…..i swear i laughed so much i almost had a heart attack.!
25 Aug 2010, 21:20 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-491: ok so i take it it will happen??
25 Aug 2010, 21:20 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-482: They should move stadiums, Newlands should be knocked down!!
25 Aug 2010, 21:21 pm
as for being the new home ….. NOPE
once newlands is gone , its the home no more
25 Aug 2010, 21:21 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-484:
I was referring to the comments that some of the RT guys used to justify their moving, not the ones like yourself and Puma, who happily blog on both.
25 Aug 2010, 21:22 pm
@carol(carol)-495: eish carol newlands has awesome history
not sure it should be knocked down
i can understand ellis park as its in a bad area
newlands is not a bad area
25 Aug 2010, 21:22 pm
@David(David)-487: ja!
My mate is about 52….but a real gym and surfer oke…..summer here is insane…..the parties endless…..about 16 hours of sunshine and surf right on my front door…..manic at times….
25 Aug 2010, 21:22 pm
@David(David)-497: oh ok sorry my bad
25 Aug 2010, 21:23 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-488: LOL
Like a lion
see u tomorrow mate
25 Aug 2010, 21:23 pm
@David(David)-497: david i can tell you they dont talk race all the time there like here
be it you believe it or not , all they wanna do is ta rugby
25 Aug 2010, 21:24 pm
@grant10(grant10)-493: Kayak Bimbo don’t you mean?
I think it was because Skop was upset because some granny had been taken as lunch by a Cape Town shark…boy he was really mad! :lol
25 Aug 2010, 21:24 pm
talk
25 Aug 2010, 21:25 pm
@grant10(grant10)-499:
I know, I used to rent the cottage at Bakhoven that Rob Louw rebuilt.
25 Aug 2010, 21:28 pm
@carol(carol)-503: ja….the banter continued for days…..man it was funny…..some really insane times on here….really had a lot of laughs…..
now got these little wit wolwe here yapping like little poodles…..but they cant compete with the night owls….never ever!
25 Aug 2010, 21:28 pm
My turn to bow out!!
Night Boys
Go Bokke for Saturday…Wallop the Wallabies
25 Aug 2010, 21:29 pm
@grant10(grant10)-506: Amen to that.
Good friends found here, I am very greatful for that! See ya x
25 Aug 2010, 21:30 pm
@David(David)-505: cool….roxy Louw…voted worlds sexiest lady a few months ago….lives maybe 300 m from me….see the most incredible women here daily…..do there training walks…..my dog has a preference for blondes as well….and he is quite a good looking dog….so it s all fun….
25 Aug 2010, 21:31 pm
@carol(carol)-507: cheers
25 Aug 2010, 21:32 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-502:
I know, but at the time things were extremely heated here with the whole Bok emblem issue, quotas and the Spears. The main reason that RT is devoid of politics, I suspect, is that nobody vehemently disagrees with some of the comments due to the filtering process of the bloggers.
25 Aug 2010, 21:37 pm
just helluva relieved that octegenarian flirting came to an end, someone was bound to put a hip out, between that and the resep swapping i had an overpowering urge to hurl – where was the rugby manne ek se?
Only time I ever agreed completely with tackler
25 Aug 2010, 21:38 pm
diverse and robust opinion and debate makes for a healthy blog….perish the thought that keo is ever in any way sanitised….restrictions on opinions are not required imo……the blog has a unique way of self cleansing…..for me keo is a very unique place to blog…..and long may it continue in such a vein.
25 Aug 2010, 21:39 pm
Potjie vir *****
25 Aug 2010, 21:40 pm
although i have to admit i sometimes do wish i had Banishment powers…..fark me a few okes would have got the axe…..before they could say De Jongh or aplon i would have sent them to cyberspace purgatory!
Yes Cab….you included you twat!
25 Aug 2010, 21:41 pm
Yeah but that’s cos we have to listen to you hold forth
25 Aug 2010, 21:42 pm
@cab(cab)-514: ag you just a jealous old git….probably an ugly old bugger who dont score no more?
25 Aug 2010, 21:43 pm
@cab(cab)-516: you love the rants and the truth….its a blessing for you….keeps you honest…..
25 Aug 2010, 21:45 pm
What me? Look go put on your volleyball outfit would you.
25 Aug 2010, 21:46 pm
@grant10(grant10)-515:
Unfortunately Cab was here a few years before you and has seniority when it comes to banning.
25 Aug 2010, 21:46 pm
LOL
okay….moeg….tea and bed….
cheers all…
cab…life is short my man….be cool
outta here
25 Aug 2010, 21:47 pm
I ain’t no oil painting, but rugby is rugby, no speedos.
25 Aug 2010, 21:48 pm
@David(David)-520: LOL
Oh hell…i am farked then….!
I reckon a pack of wit wolwe will fight for the right to push the lethal cyberspace injection….bunch of bloody wallys….
outta here
25 Aug 2010, 21:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-521:
TEA and bed!? Oh dear Grant, whatever image you may have built is seriously in tatters.
25 Aug 2010, 21:51 pm
David, yip quite funny the okes who want their seniority. Wonder what happened to pietman, I genuinely liked him.
25 Aug 2010, 21:52 pm
lastly….still the greatest line i have ever heard on keo….
Okes fighting like crazy about quotas…..
Justrugby pipes up….out the blue….in the immortal words….
‘Hell….i long for the day when just being a saffa will be enough’
Damascus Road stuff……
25 Aug 2010, 21:55 pm
Night grant – hook, line and sinker
25 Aug 2010, 21:58 pm
@cab(cab)-525:
So did I. We had quite a few private e-mail exchanges but he tended to be a bit intolerant when he was challenged online here.
25 Aug 2010, 22:02 pm
Lol yeah did get a bit intolerant, damn funny.
What did you think of the game on sat?
25 Aug 2010, 22:16 pm
@cab(cab)-529:
We did Ok, but we can’t rely on intensity in defence as a game plan. Our guys can be as fit and conditioned as the ABs, but if we spend our time trying to defend after we’ve given possession away, we’ll never outlast them over 80 minutes.
25 Aug 2010, 22:21 pm
Yeah agree, quite amazing to see the way the younger guys came through, but we dying in last 20.
25 Aug 2010, 22:21 pm
Anyway Cab, I’m also off to bed. A few glasses of red and a cognac, rather than tea, is my preferred nightcap.
25 Aug 2010, 22:30 pm
Lol, I’ll go for the octo option with a cup of tea
night
25 Aug 2010, 22:47 pm
Good, budgie smuggler went to rest, seems the drugs are taking affect now
25 Aug 2010, 23:14 pm
@David(David)-530: yeah, pretty much how I saw the game. SA need some backplay, it’s that simple.
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