Boks rebound but not revived
28 Aug 2010
RYAN VREDE writes that the Springboks salvaged some pride in a 44-31 victory over Australia, but it only serves to plaster over the cracks in this team.
Doubtless there will be those who speak of the team having turned the corner. But such assertions are foolish. Since when have Australia, on the highveld, been an accurate measure of the Springboks? Heavyweights pit themselves against world-class heavyweights to establish their standing. The Wallabies in Pretoria are nothing more than super-middleweights – albeit ones who were allowed to punch above their weight for too long, squandering a 21-7 lead.
The scoreline suggests a classic, but don’t be fooled. This was one of the most inept defensive performances in Tri-Nations history, with both sides exhibiting the resistant qualities of a weathered, old barn door and the intensity of touch rugby players at the tackle point.
The Springboks were certainly the worse of the two for much of the contest, conceding four tries in the first half alone, three of them thanks to defensive incompetence of the very highest order. A year ago these same players were defensive giants, granitic in nature. Now they’re being dwarfed by an ordinary outfit.
Certainly the lack of a specialist openside flanker to stem the Wallabies’ attacking flow was a factor – coach Peter de Villiers’ selections exposed once more. Fatigue is another. You only get a sense of just how poorly conditioned some in this Bok side are when you see live how props Gurthro Steenkamp and Jannie du Plessis crawl from ruck to ruck, or how John Smit sucked in the highveld air like he was trying to drink wet concrete through a straw. His ongoing value as a player was illuminated when he was replaced by Chiliboy Ralepelle, who was very, very impressive.
There were those who stood out, Juan Smith the best of them yet again, but a better side (read New Zealand) would have demolished the Boks.
Barring some touches of class, their attacking play was equally woeful, lacking in creativity it was a hideous hybrid of inaccurate bombs – Frans Steyn the worst offender – and rudderless ball-in-hand play. That they scored five tries was more a reflection of a feeble and often generous effort from the visitors, than it was a polished attacking performance.
The Springboks fell behind 14-0 just seven minutes into the match, Will Genia profiting from a slipped tackle from the centurion Victor Matfield (it’s a curse), before Kurtley Beale danced through the midfield as if he were pitted against club rugby players, his run culminating in a try for James O’Connor.
The ease with which Juan Smith scored a minute later suggested defence wasn’t a priority for either side, but an elementary blunder from Bryan Habana directly from the restart saw O’Connor swoop on the loose ball to grab his brace.
When Gurthro Steenkamp rumbled over from a simple lineout drive and Morne Steyn added to two conversions with a 55m penalty, the Boks were back in business. But they then conceded a turnover on the Wallabies’ 22m and seconds later Robbie Deans’ charges’ were 28-17 up, Dean Mumm cantering over, leaving Giteau with an easy conversion.
Francois Hougaard crafted a try for Pierre Spies seven minutes before the break to keep the Boks in touch at 28-24, and when they managed to string together their best passage of play just thereafter – thanks in most part to displaying a level of control through the phases they hadn’t prior to that – one sensed the tide had turned.
Morne Steyn and Giteau exchanged penalties, before Frans Steyn touched down in the corner in the Boks’ best-structured try of the match. The Boks absorbed significant pressure and summoned some defensive solidity to deny the Wallabies, before Frans Steyn landed a long-range penalty to give them a six-point lead going into the closing stages.
Under pressure the Wallabies became increasingly cavalier, easing the defensive burden on the Boks and allowing them opportunities to have a crack at the breakdown. They effected a turnover with a minute to go and a couple of phases later JP Pietersen clinched the match.
Again a victory over a weak Australian side at altitude gains De Villiers a reprieve. But perspective must be maintained. The cracks are patent. This Wallaby team was just too poor, too inexperienced, to take advantage.
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567 Comments
28 Aug 2010, 18:58 pm
Drop Habana
28 Aug 2010, 18:58 pm
Congrats Boks
28 Aug 2010, 18:59 pm
Hougaardt is awesome, dragons
28 Aug 2010, 19:00 pm
Bad defence. Bad referee. Doesn’t know how to referee a maul. Australia got away with pulling down one attacking maul, and coming in from the side in another.
28 Aug 2010, 19:02 pm
Drop Helium, D.i.c.k. and Old.
28 Aug 2010, 19:02 pm
@coherence(coherence)-4:
Let’s go there. He was equally “okay”.
28 Aug 2010, 19:03 pm
CHILLIBOY WAS INCREDIBUL ! HUGE EFFORT AND PROVED ALL OF US HE IS THE BEST NO 2 IN SA ! THE CRITICS CAN SHUT UP NOW !
28 Aug 2010, 19:03 pm
There were almost always overlaps outwide that the defensive line never closed down. There was no drifting in defense, and usually no effective rushing up either. The Bok coaches know very little about this area of the game. It’s strange because D. Muir was such a good defensive coach in the Super 14.
28 Aug 2010, 19:06 pm
There is similarities between Lions defense and Boks, what’s the common denominator between the two teams ?
This team needs two players, Basson (wing) and Vermeulen (loose forward).
Ralapelle is far superior that JW’s boy – Smit.
28 Aug 2010, 19:08 pm
Brilliant Boks. Agree Habana must go …conceded 4 tries in 2 games!! Centres pair outstanding!!
28 Aug 2010, 19:09 pm
Muir was a good defensive coach in S14, that’s plain joke. His team, the Lions, lost all matches and by big margins.
28 Aug 2010, 19:10 pm
#10 Zandberg, talking from beyond, you have awesome wisdom. Once again nice holding on boks
28 Aug 2010, 19:11 pm
@coherence(coherence)-8: lot of changes might’ve affected that, plus they dropped the best defending 13
28 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
@coherence(coherence)-8:
Cannot agree with that. By the time DM got to the Lions they where completely f&^*^ up.
Best thing they can do is rest the senior players and prep for the Cup next year.
28 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
Haban was dropped by White and Heyneke Meyer, his trip down south has been totally unsuccessful.
28 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
OCO’s prediction 100% correct. Congratulations.
Boks under pressure until BJ comes on. Smacks opponents back and the ball, for the first time, actually gets to the wings.
JdV, Habbana, Spies, M. Steyn should be dropped.
End of story.
Did I mention congrats to myself? OK, guess I did.
Also drop the dom *** WP/N.TvL commentators who obviously no idea and can’t even understand reality.
I should also mention congrats to the BB faithful who booed BJ on his conversion attempt. Guess you took the stupid booing award from WP?
28 Aug 2010, 19:14 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-13: The problem of not drifting in defense has been there throughout the Tri-Nations. It has little to do with replacements.
28 Aug 2010, 19:15 pm
Francois Hougaardt is the type of ‘new’ legs we need.
28 Aug 2010, 19:17 pm
gio & juan MUST b there…these old tarts need 2 go!! incl victor, john, habana, spies
28 Aug 2010, 19:18 pm
@OCO(OCO)-16: Butch was monstrous, a joy to watch for those who appreciate the collisions, nailed that kick at the end too
28 Aug 2010, 19:18 pm
@OCO(OCO)-16: hiyas oco
south africans must be by far the worst supporters of sport in the world
28 Aug 2010, 19:18 pm
BTW, it would have been a ‘no contest’ if Kanko had played instead of Spies. The first try Spies scored anyone could have done it, the second ‘attempt’ Kanko would have gone over unoppossed. Spies is a Dianosaur and should take up shot put or something. Also slipped more tackles than any other player (except maybe JdV).
28 Aug 2010, 19:19 pm
@OCO(OCO)-16: oh and congrats
28 Aug 2010, 19:20 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-20:
yes a joy that has been with-held because he doesn’t fit the ‘WP and NTvL players ubber alles’ mentality of the Bok (so called) management.
28 Aug 2010, 19:20 pm
Bryan should be booted. Not sure about Frans Steyn. F Hougaard is turning into a legend, like I said before. Butch hasn’t got the goods, nearly killed himself making that big hit. Morne kicked well. And Ryan’s squeezing sensationalism out of it.
28 Aug 2010, 19:21 pm
@OCO(OCO)-16: I thought JdeV had a great game.
28 Aug 2010, 19:22 pm
Hahahaha! The most amusing thing i Have SEEN ALL DAY, like concrete through a straw!
In Knots I laugh, with tears streaming from my drunken face, I stagger out into the star filled Namibian skies…. to light my fire…… Like Cement through a straw….. Haw! Haw! HAw!…. aah! Com’on okies…. that’;s fekkin funny….
28 Aug 2010, 19:24 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-21:
Some of the supporters who fel that if the team isn’t 100% Wp/NTvl then they’re not up to scratch.
As I’ve always maintained, the SA side should be equally divided amongst the best players irrespective of Province. However, 2 provinces, namely WP and NTvL believe they have the better players and the results thus far show exactly the stupidity of that assumption.
28 Aug 2010, 19:24 pm
Chilli is amazing. The future of rugby. Future captain.
28 Aug 2010, 19:25 pm
Hougie outplayed Genia completely.
FdP did a good job preparing his successor.
28 Aug 2010, 19:25 pm
geluk bokke ! nie dat dit gord was nie
28 Aug 2010, 19:26 pm
@David(David)-26: So did I. He was into tackling everything and looked dangerous a few times on attack as well.
28 Aug 2010, 19:28 pm
@Washier(Washier)-25:
Lost the ball in contact, missed tackles resulting in trys? You a great game by JDev once more.
I should also mention poor Habs that was castigated because he went for an intrecpt try. JDeV has lsot more points than he gained becuase of trying intercepts – but then again, the BB/WP commentators don’t seem to pick up on this.
However, he did play better today that previously but I suspect that JF with DJ could be a better combo.
28 Aug 2010, 19:29 pm
Folks we should not get over ourselves and need some perspective. Seems to me that the SA Bokke players, BB’s in particular, have developed a serious problem in playing away. After the S14 it seems a bit of a mystery, I really hope this is a temporary clinch as the WC is in NZ & we were dismal over there this year.
28 Aug 2010, 19:30 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-30:
Hougie played well – after the first 30 minutes. I felt, and he said, that playing with BJ made the difference. The whole team came alive when BJ entered the foray – same as in Oz when the Boks put on 2 tries when BJ repalced MS.
28 Aug 2010, 19:32 pm
Australia threw away so many scoring chances. They should have easily won this game. In my opinion they were the better team today. Hopefully next week they will convert their missed chances into points next week and finish of the sa tour with a win.
28 Aug 2010, 19:34 pm
@OCO(OCO)-28:
Why wouldn’t WP and NTvl believe they currently have the best players? Both of them played in the Super final recently – isn’t it logical?
28 Aug 2010, 19:35 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-36: If they were the better team, why did they lose?
Sport is about winning a contest. If you don’t win, then that almost always mean you were inferior – even if that means not adapting to the referee.
28 Aug 2010, 19:36 pm
Spies and F Steyn was not on par. Although they both scored, Spies is so poor defensively.
28 Aug 2010, 19:37 pm
This must be the worst articles I have ever read in my life…
28 Aug 2010, 19:38 pm
Frans Steyn – 5
JP – 6
J Fourie – 7
J de Villiers – 7
Habana – 4
Steyn – 8
Hougaardt – 9
Spies – 7
Juan – 9
Burger – 7
Flip – 6
in’VICTER’US – 8
Jannie – 6
Smit – 6
Steenkamp – 8
Butch – 5
Chili-man – 6
CJ – 6
Row’sou-7
28 Aug 2010, 19:38 pm
Much beter performance , but i believe our top players deserve a break from the game , what do we have to lose ? lets give the younsters that feeling of big rugby , we have the players from all over. Well hope i guys don’t burn out
28 Aug 2010, 19:39 pm
@lepel(lepel)-40: Agreed. But I must say, this space is fun
28 Aug 2010, 19:39 pm
@lepel(lepel)-40: Coming back from 21 – 7 (and yes, we were rubbish in getting to this position), against the Aussies is very good.
Ryan, stop believing that only the All Blacks can play rugby and that the Springboks are necessarily the best team in the world. We were WAY behind and should’ve been dead and burried, but we fought back tremendously well.
28 Aug 2010, 19:40 pm
@coherence(coherence)-38: They lost because of their missed chances in the second half.Even with these missed chances they still looked far more dangerous on attack than the boks. The boks were lucky to get their last two tries. Overall the Australians did play a superior brand of rugby. I look forward to the game next week. Austalia 1 – South Africa 1, so its the decider.
28 Aug 2010, 19:40 pm
@Washier(Washier)-37:
Duh! No.
In an international one is playing against the best that the Oppo has to offer, not 7 good players. BB managed to suck in players becuase of their forwards play leaving gaps in the oppo defense. At international level its’ Manno-a-maano’ so the players don’t get sucked in and the backline has to produce. WP and BB backline alone don’t cut it when they have opposition. Very simple really.
28 Aug 2010, 19:43 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-41:
Frans Steyn – 7
JP – 7
J Fourie – 7
J de Villiers – 3
Habana – 3
Steyn – 3
Hougaardt – 8
Spies – 2
Juan – 9
Burger – 6
Flip – 2
in’VICTER’US – 8
Jannie – 4
Smit – 6
Steenkamp – 7
Butch – 9
Chili-man – 3
CJ – 5
Row’sou-8
28 Aug 2010, 19:44 pm
Not a perfect performance by any means, but we showed great heart to come back from the fiasco that was the first 10 minutes. That really impressed me.
Contary to what has been written by some on this blog, I thought that Pierre, JDV and Morne had much improved games. the trend comtinue. Francois Hougaard has proven me wrong in my skepticism of his ability to transition from 11 after not playing 9 for so long. He was great, both in broken play and behimd his pack. He really has an infectious energy.
Smit had an improved game from previous weeks. Well done Captain, lots to still do, but you put in a lot of work today.
28 Aug 2010, 19:44 pm
Ja, but what about the cement through the straw…. hehehehe!
28 Aug 2010, 19:45 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-36: For the first forty minutes.. Yes. After that they thought the game was won and stopped playing. An old adage about rugby and 80 minutes comes to mind…
28 Aug 2010, 19:46 pm
@gecko(gecko)-39:
F.Steyn was great in defense and on attack. Spies (yet again) did absoultely nothing to maintain his place – other than the “Look at the Spies” syndrome that is akin to the ‘Look at the Mountain (with the diminutive Geo Applon on top)’ syndrome.
28 Aug 2010, 19:48 pm
Watching the first half of this game, the basic errors of both teams were appalling. Defence wasn’t a priority.
It was a match I think neither team wanted to play seeing the Tri-nations had already been decided.
Sort-of like kissing your sister. No-one wants to come second.
Before the match I was just hoping for a 1 point winning margin. But the score line of 44 – 31 certainly flattered the Boks.
Now that we’ve got a few more log points and Vic and JS have got their 100th caps, it is time to introduce more youngsters into the starting line-up and give the older Boks a rest. Starting next Saturday.
28 Aug 2010, 19:49 pm
@namibianmoose(namibianmoose)-49: You know, I made a remark to my mates that JS looked a lot less out of breath than Curtly Beale at interview time. Good recovery, not really indicative of an unfit player. Yes he didn’t play 80 minutes but he did play the last 5 or so.
28 Aug 2010, 19:49 pm
I’m amazed by the apparently blind and un-knowledgable people who comment on this site. It’s like they watched different games !! I think mostly it’s that they don’t really know what they’re watching unless it has blue or hooped jerseys on (personally, I’m biaised when they wear black and white !!).
The Boks won, really should have last week and whilst they weren’t great/bullet-proof, they’ve looked a lot better than they did down under last month. Give credit where it is due and lets move on. There’s so much rugby between now and the WC that the team will change thru necessity and form, and do well (despite PdV and his cohorts).
A win’s a win – and this one was certainly done with lots of entertaining rugby and no small degree of panache.
28 Aug 2010, 19:49 pm
‘F.Steyn was great in defense and on attack’ – I didn’t see that game
28 Aug 2010, 19:50 pm
@namibianmoose(namibianmoose)-49: Brilliant….hahahaha
28 Aug 2010, 19:50 pm
@OCO(OCO)-46: Maybe a quota system whereby we divide up the springboks evenly into each province!?
That’l make the sharks happy, at least they’ll get a couple of numbers
28 Aug 2010, 19:51 pm
I’m very sorry Ryan, but I can’t agree with your assessment of Guthro Steenkamp in your article above – the guy played his heart out today and I thought he was awesome. Just my humble opinion.
28 Aug 2010, 19:52 pm
@OCO(OCO)-47: Can live with that….Spies on plays well when the Boks move forward. Disagree with your rating on the centres.
28 Aug 2010, 19:52 pm
My sister, watching her first rugby game in 3 years said after 20 min and again after the game: ‘It seems like Oz uses the whole width of the field and we don’t’. Hell Snor, phone her.
28 Aug 2010, 19:53 pm
@KiwiSaffa(KiwiSaffa)-50: I agree, the australians did slow down in the second half. However they still looked a better team than the Boks. I hope that they will learn from this test and next week continue the ehilarating performance they showed in the first 40 and carry it through for the whole game. I was impressed with the Aussie forwards at scrum time although the lineout was poor. Should be a very interesting game next week.
28 Aug 2010, 19:54 pm
smit is all over rover
chilli did more in 20 minutes than fatty did in last 5 tests….
F Steyn also unfit.
28 Aug 2010, 19:55 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-61: Just like you reckon the Ausies will improve,so will the Boks and they will beat them next week by 20!Cant wait
28 Aug 2010, 19:56 pm
Smit said yesterday he’d be staying on until the World Cup
28 Aug 2010, 19:57 pm
@grant10(grant10)-62: I agree,in 20min Chilli conceded 3 penalties and J.Smit none!
28 Aug 2010, 19:58 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-65: I thought he conceded one penalty.
28 Aug 2010, 19:58 pm
I am glad for Big Vic that he is the first 100th test cap to win, Guthro had an awesome game as well as Juan Smith. Francois Hougaardt is an excellent replacement for Fouries, the centre pair had moments of brilliance, the ball did not get to the wings, although Habana cocked it up, F Steyn was average at the back, Morne was cool.
28 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
WHO ELSE NOTICED :
How much Ricky january has influenced Hougie .
Its clear that the old lion is teaching the young lion how to play preoperly. Hougies game definitely looks like Ricky in his prime. Very nice to see. Ricky is unsung hero.
28 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-64: yeah
lucky for him he chooses the team….
28 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
@coherence(coherence)-66: Said 3 just to make a point
28 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-63: Well you are entitled to your opinion but if you look at it objectively, the Australians have a much younger team who are much fitter and skilled from number 1-22. The Boks do have loads of experience but they are old and fitness is questionable. Juan and Francois did play well today but overall Australia do have the edge.
28 Aug 2010, 20:01 pm
No 68 Rugbygenius, huh? Please explain.
28 Aug 2010, 20:01 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-68: You can leave all that in front of Bolla Conradie’s door!hahaha
28 Aug 2010, 20:02 pm
I’ve never wished injury on anyone but I seriaaaaaaasly wish John Smit eats some strong Chicken Phaal curry and angers his aggressive piles so that he can’t play next week…
28 Aug 2010, 20:02 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-70: You could have said 10,000. It would also have been inaccurate, but would have made a stronger point.
28 Aug 2010, 20:03 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-71: Fully agreed,defense is a problem i think for both teams,but in the Bok camp there is definately positive points to move forward on,but not a bad game for a couple of tired horses
28 Aug 2010, 20:04 pm
@coherence(coherence)-75: hahaha,well said!
28 Aug 2010, 20:05 pm
pieter 2 take the punch hey ryan? my wish is for pieter 2 win the WC so cookies like u can lick his arse
28 Aug 2010, 20:05 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-72: @Geldjie(Geldjie)-73: Did you not see the hunger around the edges. The good defence . The good service. The passion. The pride. It was like watching a young Ricky. If you ask me Oom Piet has has put them to play with each other at training and it is working . Well done Ricky – we love you
28 Aug 2010, 20:05 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-36: Oz did miss scoring chances but so did SA (Spies held up over the line comes to mind). Australia did well but I’m not sure they’ll ever find an SA defence so porous again.
28 Aug 2010, 20:06 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-76: And also its alot easier to motivate a team with a win under the belt than a team with 4 losses?
28 Aug 2010, 20:06 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-45: South Africa also missed a lot of chances. How could you argue that the Boks’ tries were lucky and the Australians’ weren’t? It’s funny that the team that scored fewer tries looked more dangerous to you. Doesn’t being “dangerous” have something to do with scoring tries?
28 Aug 2010, 20:07 pm
2012 future is bright. Our starting line up for backs .
9.) Hougie
10.) Elton jantjies
11.) Mvovo
12.) Rose
13) De Jongh
14.)Nokwe
15.) Burton Francis or Lambie
28 Aug 2010, 20:08 pm
# 79, thank you for explaining Fourie du Preez’s influence on young Hougaardt, from the same province. Please explain why ricky had any influence on Hougaardt?
28 Aug 2010, 20:08 pm
Frans Steyn was Super K@K and I am a big fan of the boy. He needs to come play in SA again, I can see no reason to keep Aplon out of the Bok team for Frans. Aplon’s on form Frans is not.
28 Aug 2010, 20:09 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-76: yeah the defence was definitely questionable at times e.g matfield and JDV both missing Genia and Juan scoring his try basically untouched. Maybe bring back Juan De Jongh and Gio in my opinion. Both had solid games against NZ. Australia definitely could do with Palu and Alexander coming back.
28 Aug 2010, 20:09 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-84: Hougie was never this good until Ricky told him how to play
28 Aug 2010, 20:11 pm
One hour after a 13 point Bok victory, where 75 points were scored in a test match, and we have 2 articles up lamenting the Bok performance…
Ryan Vrede, it must be tough being a tosser hey?
Funny how context is only used when it suits agendas…
Still amazed people get paid for **** like this…
28 Aug 2010, 20:11 pm
@JA-JA(JA-JA)-85: It is better not to select NH based players during this part of the season. He should have been saved for the end of year tour.
28 Aug 2010, 20:12 pm
#85 Ja-ja, agreed, but there was so much controversy around Frans Steyn coming over, with relatively little practise time? Aplom did a good job at the back, but I somehow missed his running strength from back yonder. He will be better served in Habana’s place.
28 Aug 2010, 20:12 pm
@JA-JA(JA-JA)-85: Just keep in mind that Fransie got the call to play just after his holiday,he’s only played 2 club games in the last couple of months,i think with that in mind he had quite a good day,agreed that Aplon needs to be picked,why not drop Habana,he is getting worse whereas Frans will only improve.
28 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
Ouch!!! pdv reprieve for another week. Still no where near where we should be…
28 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
#87 Rugbygenius, and you know this how?
28 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
Hats of to Spies, Victor, Schalk, John, Morne and Juan. Thought they were exceptional and like last week I think they gave the MOTM award to the wrong person.
28 Aug 2010, 20:13 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-80: We will have to see what happens next week, if the Aussies can shift the ball wide and make the bok forwards run around they will soon get tired . With the footwork of Quade,Beale and O’Connor they will easily penetrate the tired bok defense. Beale today was superb and broke the line at will.
28 Aug 2010, 20:15 pm
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Morne isn’t going at his best.
Butch James is trying but he’s only 2 years younger than my oupa.
We need a Flyhalf cover with TEST experience.
Earl Rose’s time has come to be back in Boks colours.
I know many hate him because of deifferent reasons like jealousy over his skills and looks. But please think of the country ne ?
28 Aug 2010, 20:16 pm
@coherence(coherence)-82: The Aussie back line were electric! Beale and O’Connor today showed amazing footwork. Quade was a bit quiet but we all know what he is capable of. The first O’Connor try has to be up there for best try in the try nations so far.
28 Aug 2010, 20:16 pm
F Steyn 2 – He kicked his first 4 balls directly into touch and looked slow on defense. Played better as the game went on. Would like to see him playing next week with more confidence.
JPP 7 – Had a good game and is one of the best defensive/ physical wingers.
JF 7 – Had a good physical game, both on defense and atack.
JdV 6 – Played well with ball in hand, but slipped off a couple of tackles
Habana 1 – He was awful. Trying too hard.
Steyn 7 – Had a much better game and atacked the advantage line. Typical Loftus performance.
Hougaard 9 – Would have been ten if he saved Habana and tackled O’Connor for his second try. He will be the best player in the world if he does not get injured. He is too physical to not get injured.
Spies 7 – Much better and a couple of guys on this site dont want to give him any praise, because they crucified him this whole tournament.
Smith 9 – Just go and look at his “Bus is vol” moments. Mitchell did not want to tackle him. Would like to see how many times did he tackle a player backwards. I would think he had a 80% success rate
Burger 7 – A bit quiet, but did his work well
Matfield 8 – Controlled the lineouts brilliantly
Flip 7 – He stole a couple of balls at the front, which is normally the safe option on your own ball. Was very physical
Jannie 6 – Seemed to struggle a bit against the midgets of World rugby
Smit 7 – Contibuted well, counter rucked alot, but he is playing like a prop. Would have been 5 if he didnt leave the field.
Steenkamp 7 – Was very good in the loose and his defense for a prop was brilliant.
Subs – Chilliboy was the only player that went for the ball and was the best fetcher (together with Hougaard). Butch showed some good defensive moments and if F Steyn becomes a reliable kicker he could be an attacking weapon for us.
28 Aug 2010, 20:16 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-95: What did you think Juan De Villers and Jacque Fourie did to their line!! If they mange to off load Boks would have scored 4 more tries!
28 Aug 2010, 20:17 pm
# 96, Rugbygenius, you mention we need test experience, how many tests does Earl Rose has under his belt?
28 Aug 2010, 20:18 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-96: Never ROSE again….maybe club rugby!
28 Aug 2010, 20:18 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-100:
Zero
28 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-100: Hayi stop being jealous ne ? Can’t you remember he has been part of squad ne ? And played EOYT ?
28 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
Rugbygenius, please substantiate your comments?
28 Aug 2010, 20:19 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-86: I think next week we might see a totally different game being played,more tight and forwards orientated as both teams will want to look better defensively next week.Quite a couple of untouched tries i thought.I’m also a big fan of Juan de Jongh,but todays,i thought,was a good performance from the centres,IMO,breaking through defenders regularly,but then you can say its back to the poor defense.I’ll definately put Aplon in for Habana,he needs a bit ”alone time”.I also think that Kanko would have had a field day if he got the same ball as Spies.
28 Aug 2010, 20:21 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-99: Don’t get me wrong Jean De Villiers and Fourie are good centres but they don’t have that same skill set as the Aussie backs. It must be said that Australia must have one of the most potent backlines in world rugby at the moment. Their forwards will strengthen with the return of Palu, Alexander. Horwill etc. The World Cup next year is looking very achievable for the wallabies.
28 Aug 2010, 20:22 pm
#103, and what was the outcome? Why did he had a good EOYT? He has been a part of the squad yes? Why did he have a good influence on Hougaardt, EOYT????? Where is the timeframe they had together to smoke cigars and talk number 9 stats? Why did Hougaardt had an awesome Super 14 when he played? How many tests did Earl Rose played to get his test experience? Where is his strong points, and not? Can he kick to goal? Does he distribute solidly? Please quantify?
28 Aug 2010, 20:23 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-104: I dont have to substantiate anything when its obvious ne !
28 Aug 2010, 20:24 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-106:
There is a case to be made for the quality of the backs, and the quality of ball the backs are getting.
Aussies are very good no doubt, but the Boks still play off bad recycled ball where they dont.
28 Aug 2010, 20:24 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-106: Point taken….iys going to be a “pearler” next week mate!
28 Aug 2010, 20:24 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-80: I think the drift of his post is that SA is a team that’s holding on at the moment… Very much like an old, limp lion chucked out of the pride – he doesn’t catch an Impala every day to eat because he simply can’t – he only catches a young, baby Impala every now when he is REALLY hungry because he still has the instinct.. The Bokke were REALLY hungry today because a loss would’ve been catastrophic and us fans absolutely demanded a win, but we won’t win every game playing like we played today. Teams like the AB’s, France and even Aus will pomp us next year if we do. I think we need some new blood in the team – guys like Bjorn Basson (who’s scoring at will at the moment against all CC teams) for Habana, Bismarck for John Smit, Brussouw (when he’s fit) for Burger, Proudfoot for Gold and Eddie Jones for D i c k Muir to name a few. Maybe then we’ll have a decent chance of being the first team ever to defend the World Cup. Just my humble opinion.
28 Aug 2010, 20:26 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-107: Hayi Me and you can argue here all day here now meneer . But you will see when he plays in the world cup next year. This is a season for him to condition and build. He will be going to NZ wait and see. You cannot ignore talents like that. Earl can do all of those things you say
28 Aug 2010, 20:26 pm
108 Rugbygenius, if it is obvious, why is it obvious? Pleas refer to #107? I do not see the obvious answer and need to be enlightened? Please forgive me for asking the questions, but I do not see the value.
28 Aug 2010, 20:28 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-105: yeah both centres did play well but i feel that Juan De Jongh is slightly more dangerous as he has a very good step and his defence is solid. However JDV and fourie are a good combination and understand each other’s play very well. I am pleased to see the genia,cooper and giteau combination are getting better with every game.
28 Aug 2010, 20:28 pm
#112, why will we see next year when for the past 2 seasons we have not seen it? Where does his talent lie? What does Earl Rose do what is different than Steyn or James? Pleas prove me wrong?
28 Aug 2010, 20:30 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-113: Please dude, ignore this gwar – he’s taking the p i s s
28 Aug 2010, 20:31 pm
Rugbygenius, rather young Juan de Jongh has an awesome future, he has got a rugby brain and talent. Other new blood we need is at number 8, 11, and 15
28 Aug 2010, 20:32 pm
RUGBYIDIOT – Your IQ shows as just above that of a amoeba.
And that is being generous
Are you on TIK?
28 Aug 2010, 20:32 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-117: I agree, I like him…about time somebody replace that useless Olivier.
28 Aug 2010, 20:33 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-109: I agree that the aussie forwards at times do not allow the backs to show their full potential but with their first choice pack returning at the end of the year they will have a solid platform and then they will be a very difficult team to beat. I was very impressed with the ability of the Aussie backs on the counter attack as evidenced by beale’s brilliant footwork and ending in a try. Their ability to run the ball from anywhere on the field is brilliant.
28 Aug 2010, 20:34 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-116: Perhaps you are right dude, sometimes I blunder in asking the right questions. but you are right, opinions are opinions, and not necessarilt good debate.
28 Aug 2010, 20:35 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-110: yeah it will be a very good test match!
28 Aug 2010, 20:35 pm
An amoeba.
Just as the saying goes:
Never argue with an idiot – they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
28 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@Brink_015(Brink_015)-123: Forgive me for having an opinion . I thought we can share ideas here. But clearly you cant say anything .
28 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-119: Olivier did not regain any form last night playing for his province, missed a try saving tackle, and this problem occurs with most of the medium and long term senior players. Perhaps we need to look at some virgins? Gray College first team?
28 Aug 2010, 20:37 pm
@Brink_015(Brink_015)-123: lolololol
28 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-116: So I cant have opinion of my own ne ? I must just say JA you are right and I am wriong ne ?
28 Aug 2010, 20:38 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-125: I was shocked when I saw the highlights….
28 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
118 and 123 Quite sharp there dudes. 124 it is good to have an opinion, but it quantify and debate. Otherwise it remains an opinion, and nothing more.
28 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-125: Ouch… It’s Grey, not ‘Gray’
28 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-126: ja now I will be just like everyone and say the same thing . No opinions here. Just the same comments from everyone ne.
28 Aug 2010, 20:39 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-114: Agree with De Jongh,I wouldn’t want to make that decision for next week though,but its great to be in a situation again where you have to decide who to play when all is well rather that when everyone is k @ k.QC WG and MG is looking very dangerous at times,especially Cooper,has a helluva step!He’s becoming the type of player where I (IMO) fear evrytime he gets the ball,much like O’Connor (great player) and Conrad Smith!It’s gonna be a cracker next week!
If you see this message twice,the other one is awaiting moderation!haha
28 Aug 2010, 20:40 pm
127 You are right dude, have your opinion. And that is that.
28 Aug 2010, 20:42 pm
130 Panniepeet, sorry man, luckily it is only a B, C and D between the two. Lotsa grey inbetween
28 Aug 2010, 20:42 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-131: You want an opinion, I think you have never Played rugby before and don’t undersand the game at all an have appreciation for the game!
28 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-133: Ja but that doesnt mean people can just insult me saying my intelligence is bad ne ? Why must people be rude like that ? Did i say anything to them bad ? No ! i just share my ideas . People should learn some manners. This is disgraceful . I am very upset .
28 Aug 2010, 20:43 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-124:
Everyone can have an opinion – it is like an @$$hole.
Having the “genius” part in your forum name places some responsibility to at least make SOME sense.
So far you have failed miserably.
Considering Earl Rose negates any value that you can ever add.
28 Aug 2010, 20:44 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-132: I really do not want to have the coaching team’s jib in coming days, did you guys see their faces throughout the game? What is happening behind the scene?
28 Aug 2010, 20:45 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-135: Ja thats okay thats your opinion but there are people here insulting my intelligence. Do they know me ? I am very insulted at their crude vaulgarity . Can there be no respect for me ? Do they know my age ne ? its wrong to talk to a PERSON like THAT !
28 Aug 2010, 20:46 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-139: They did seem more worried that happy up in the box!I guess only time will tell!
28 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
@Brink_015(Brink_015)-137: You dont know me . Many other people may be thinking i make a sense. I am sharing my opinion and you say I have bad intelligence or using a substance . NO THAT IS VERY RUDE . I AM OFFENDED.
28 Aug 2010, 20:47 pm
#136. They are not talking about your intelligence, nor your ideas, it is good to have them, but you should be able to talk what you feel strongly about. You surely have your reasons why you feel like you do. Gooi mielies and do not people speedwobble you, but put some meat in your opinion.
28 Aug 2010, 20:52 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-140: No, and even **** Muir was a lot more quiet on the mike downstairs, there must be a lot of pressure in the box. It was a great, close game, but the gaps in defence was still visibly lacking, as shown in the early try of the Wallabies number 15.
28 Aug 2010, 20:53 pm
Now how do you **** the name of the assistant coach, Keo check your scripts ****.
28 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
Rugbygenius
Of course you are upset.
You have the eq of a four year old.
I’m sure you will bounce back.
28 Aug 2010, 20:54 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-141:
I am disturbed that you are offended.
The only other person that would agree with your knowledge of rugby would be OCO.
28 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-141: You may be offended, and possibly even with good reason, however if you are at all sensitive about what people say about you, then this blog is probably not going to be a very happy place for you boet…….
Just saying. Use it, don’t use it.
And in response to your post, Earl rose is to Springbok Rugby as Bakkie Botha is to restraint on the Rugby field.
28 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-144: I get the strange feeling there might be a couple of ”i told you so” flying around in the box,IMO.I’m looking forward to the team selection though!
28 Aug 2010, 20:57 pm
@couch-bok(couch-bok)-142: Hayi but this is the problem meneer . People were saying things like so
RUGBYIDIOT – Your IQ shows as just above that of a amoeba.
And that is being generous
For what I can see thats talking about my intelligence ?
i would rather leave this forum if i will be disprespected like that. i am an elderly man . i do not deserve to be talked to like this
28 Aug 2010, 20:57 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-132: ya it will be interesting to see what happens with the team for next week. IMO dannie should start instead of flip, Francois Louw for Burger because i think a fetcher is definitely needed to compete with pocock, Kankos for spies and gio and juan de jongh somewhere in the backline. Aussies should probably stick with the team they started with today.
28 Aug 2010, 21:00 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-147: Thank you Stormer for at least having some manners. How can the younger users be having this forum if we can be talking so roughly to each other ? it sets a very bad example.
28 Aug 2010, 21:00 pm
@gunther(gunther)-145: tell me please what is an eq ?
28 Aug 2010, 21:02 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-151: To be honest I’m not a big Flo fan,but then again I wasn,t very kind about Hougaard either and I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong….ish about him!I’ll also like to see Danie start.When is Bakkies’s ban over?Aus will probably start with the same team,maybe switch hookers?
28 Aug 2010, 21:04 pm
#148, I may not have the answers, but this is the first game where we upped the tempo of the game, and we definitely did better than previous weeks, but we need to rework the stop-start game plan we harvested, and worked for us, in previous years. If we do not keep up with the tempo, it will be a harvest fest at year end.
28 Aug 2010, 21:08 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-152: Eq equals emotional intelligence: emotional quotient, a (notional) measure of a person’s adequacy in such areas as self-awareness, empathy, and dealing sensitively with other people
28 Aug 2010, 21:08 pm
Hi guys. My thoughts on the weekends rugby:
SA vs Aus:
- We were not any better than against the ABs
- We were lucky to win mainly due to Aus messing up two tries and two lineouts in the last 15 min
- Though James O’Connor’s try should have been awarded since it touched the line
- Our last try resulted from an illegal turn over (hands in the ruck)
- Spies was still nowhere. Anyone could have scored that try. Later on he couldn’t even run over Quade Cooper 5m out
- Its time Habana are dropped.
- Luckily Francois Hougaard stopped with his useless “tactical kicks” after the shocker in the 1st min.
- F Steyn was clearly not fully match fit or NH rugby is much weaker
WP vs Cheetahs:
- How many more game will WP lose before they realise they will have to exile Willem de Waal and Frikkie Welsh before they win any games?
- Somethings wrong with the quality of our local refs. Although Pro was better than than vd Merwe of the previous week.
- F Louw belongs in Springbok group
28 Aug 2010, 21:11 pm
@Petri(Petri)-156: For the most, I agree with your assessments. F Louw @ 6, Smith @ 7, and Burger @ 8.
28 Aug 2010, 21:13 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-153: ya i think Flo has a lot of potential and offers not only the fetching ability but also is a solid carrier. Bakkies is out for the rest of the tri nations and i think danie really played well when he came on today so has to be there alongside victor. Yeah stephen moore is more solid in the tight but faingaa does offer quite a good running game and his scrummaging has improved. However his lineouts today were not good so it might be good to give moore a start. When Polota-nau gets back it will be a huge boost for the Wallabies.
28 Aug 2010, 21:15 pm
@Petri(Petri)-157: WP has only lost 2 now,the way you put it I thought that WdW and FW made sure your 2nd devision next year?
28 Aug 2010, 21:18 pm
@permelsy(permelsy)-159: With backs like the Ausies have,is it realy that necisary to have a good running hooker?Does it make THAT much of a difference?Just asking,but i thought Moore played better while he was on,maybe have Faingaa play 2nd half where an extra runnibg forward could be more valueble when opposision forwards start to get tired?
28 Aug 2010, 21:19 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-159: Most of the wins was against weak opposition like pumas, griquas, leopards, lions and bulls. The bulls win was still a shocker of a display. The griquas win only came because of 4 tries in 10 min after WdW was subbed.
28 Aug 2010, 21:20 pm
Can anyone please teel me what Conrad Jantjies is like since his return,I’m in Spain so I cant watch too many CC?
28 Aug 2010, 21:20 pm
Deans is just not up to scratch as an international coach and the Wannabees have won nothing in the past decade. People they celebrate finishing 2nd fss.
Anyway Hougie will again school Genia next week and the Boks will cruise to an easy win.
RL out.
28 Aug 2010, 21:22 pm
@Petri(Petri)-162: Oh okay,cheers!hahaha….sorry but you just put that brilliantly,I will go to bed tonite with a big smile!
Most of the wins was against weak opposition like pumas, griquas, leopards, lions and bulls!
BULLS! haha!
28 Aug 2010, 21:23 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-162: Against griquas he had a few good runs, but in general he is not yet up to the form he was before the injury.
28 Aug 2010, 21:24 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-162: Well you missed not much, he is not the greatest, it will take time for him to get back
28 Aug 2010, 21:25 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-164: Bulls lost to pumas…Beat griquas by 1 point because Naas missed conversion…Beat Leopards only be 3 points at Loftus….
28 Aug 2010, 21:26 pm
@Petri(Petri)-166:
@JL1(JL1)-167:
The reason why I asked this is because someone earlier in the week put him at fulback for the WC,but thank you
28 Aug 2010, 21:30 pm
@Petri(Petri)-168: I realise how badly they have played,but just to here…erm…read that someone is calling them weak opposision was priceless!I didn’t really expect the Pumas loss though!I’ll be in Cape Town Finals day and it looks like i might be in the wrong city?I still reckon it will be Sharks against the Province in Durban?
28 Aug 2010, 21:31 pm
@Geldjie(Geldjie)-168: He is a natural footballer,make no mistake, but to exoect him to be back after such a long lay off is tough
We are talking a year or more,so maybe later
28 Aug 2010, 21:56 pm
Great to get the win.
Well done MOM Fdplike Hougaard
and Jdv too
28 Aug 2010, 21:59 pm
Not all doom and gloom. A win is a win, but there should definitely be some changes. My team for next weekend would be;
15.F Steyn 14.Pieterson 13.Fourie 12.De Villiers 11.Habana 10.Butch 9.Hougard 8.Smith 7.Louw 6.Burger 5.Matfield 4.Van Der Merwe 3.Beast 2.Bismarck 1.Jannie
Reserves: 16.Smit 17.CJ 18.Rossouw 19.Spies 20.M Steyn 21. Vermeulen 22.Vermaak
I’d bring Smit on with about 20minutes to go. Likewise with Vermeulen and sub Louw. Move Smith to 7. Bring Spies on the wing at half time in place of Habana.
28 Aug 2010, 22:00 pm
The Great One pulls one out the bag.
Hopefully we can get an interview.
The big dogs have shaken their legs.
28 Aug 2010, 22:01 pm
@JL1(JL1)-170: JL1, he is a natural footballer, but I think his days are over – he was fluttering and hana-hana-ing all over the place last night. Don’t know if its because he’s got the injury on his mind but anyway – I think Province need to find another fullback soon (if Gio is playing with the Boks)
28 Aug 2010, 22:01 pm
@cab(cab)-173:
Your last line…hehehe.
28 Aug 2010, 22:04 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-172: Sheeeeesh Biltong – your loosie combo grates like chewing my ouma’s knitted toilet covering op die plaas. No way.
28 Aug 2010, 22:05 pm
That right Pumes, he said it would happen
28 Aug 2010, 22:06 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-172: Bissie went off from the Sharks game with a niggle I think. Think for now he does not want to play internationals right now. Just wants to get back into rugby after such a serious neck injury.
Just play the same team. Only player needed to change is Habs. Can’t play Smith at 8 he is our very best 7. Louw was not that great for WP last night. So not him either. Would rather see Vermuelen at 8. If Spies passed to Morne we could have had another try instead of going it alone.
But really would only change one player for next week. Habs for Aplon. Cause Aplon has trained and played with the squad. He will fit straight in at 11. Or if not him there then bring in one of the younsters. Basson or Mvovo. But really this is not the time to mess about. WE need to win the last of this Tri-Nations games and end it off with confidence.
28 Aug 2010, 22:06 pm
Right, Morne needs a rest now (next weeks game), Butch in. Victor rest, Danie in. Janurie out, any other scrumhalf in. Aplon and De Jong need a tilt at the Wobblies.
Oh and Habana needs a damn rest…
28 Aug 2010, 22:07 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-176: Suggest an alternative?? Spies is up to shite at the momnet. Smith is more of a natural 8 than burger. And Louw is an obvious as the fetcher.
28 Aug 2010, 22:07 pm
@cab(cab)-177: He did too Cabbie. Just funny that though.
Pleased we won. No matter how. A win is a win but we need to up our defence.
28 Aug 2010, 22:09 pm
@Puma(Puma)-178: Good post.
28 Aug 2010, 22:10 pm
@Puma(Puma)-178:
Yes, Spies had another ordinary game, despite his try. He’s just not an international 8th man.
Night everyone.
28 Aug 2010, 22:11 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-180: Kanko for Spies…?
28 Aug 2010, 22:12 pm
@Puma(Puma)-178: Just think a few of the seniors need a fire under their asses. Sometime on the bench could do them some good.
28 Aug 2010, 22:14 pm
@JD(JD)-184: Never really been a Kanko fan. He has all the skills but just seems to get lost in the tough games. An impact player at best. Much like Spies at the moment in my opinion.
28 Aug 2010, 22:15 pm
@David(David)-183: Night David.
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-182: Yip, We have to get another win next week. Need to be consistent with the players. We win next week we will end this Tri-Nations with confidence. Think that is more important right now than changing whole sale the team. Maybe only change Habs he really is struggling right now. He will be back but for now maybe play Aplon.
Okay everyone. Out of here now. Catch up tomorrow.
Enjoy the rest of your evening.
Well done Boks.
28 Aug 2010, 22:18 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-185: Biltong, They need a rest but they must play the last game next week. If they get dropped for that game. Confidence will drop buddy. Only one more week then they can have a big rest and then do the conditioning work.
For now they feel great. A win is a win. No matter what.
Cheers buddy. Out of here now.
28 Aug 2010, 22:21 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-186: True true… I think we’re maybe short on cover at 8… Coz ther’s really, at the mo, only Spies, Russouw and Kanko. Spies and Kanko can be pretty different players in their styles and Russouw is lock cover. Vermeulen, Alberts or Deysel it is then…
28 Aug 2010, 22:22 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-180: Louw had an absolute shocker last night for Province – I think he’s got a few problems adapting to the new laws… As for Juan – I can guarantee you that he’ll play 7 in every single test that he plays in future – he is the ultimate workhorse and there’s no-one better. I’d rather have Schalk at 8 because he is a natural 8 with his defensive abilities and also the way he drifts on defense after 1st phase ball but then I’d rather pick someone at 8 who plays there regularly like Spies or Duane Vermeulen. For 6 it has to be Brussouw when he’s fit but for now Burger will have to make do. So:
6 Burger
7 Juan Smith
8 Duane Vermeulen
When everyone is fit:
6 Brussouw
7 Juan Smith
8 Spies
The problem is that PDivvy has publicly said that there’s no place for new players in the squad available for next year’s World Cup so if that’s true I feel sorry for players like Bjorn Basson and Duane Vermeulen…
28 Aug 2010, 22:27 pm
Well done to the Boks and Victor
28 Aug 2010, 22:30 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-190: Burger off the bench for either Spies or Smith then? Damn that sounds good
28 Aug 2010, 22:31 pm
We need a new 8
Alberts?
28 Aug 2010, 22:36 pm
@JL1(JL1)-193: I have somebody else in mind
28 Aug 2010, 22:41 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-194: not Vermeulen?
28 Aug 2010, 22:42 pm
@JL1(JL1)-193: JL1 – I agree, but that will be only temporary until Brussouw is fit. When he gets back the combination of: Brussouw, Smith and Spies is unbeatable but until then you are right, we need a new 8 to play with 6 Burger and 7 Smith… Duane, Kanko or Alberts?
28 Aug 2010, 22:44 pm
@JL1(JL1)-195: er not quite… wanna guess again?
28 Aug 2010, 22:46 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-196: Yes, Spies needs some grafters to put him into space
28 Aug 2010, 22:47 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-197: Please do not say Lucky Luke?
28 Aug 2010, 22:51 pm
Eoy tour
1. Guthro 2. Bismarck 3. WP/Kruger 4. Danie 5. Flippie 6. Potgieter 7. Juan (c) 8. Alberts
9. Hougie 10. Morne 11. Mapoe 12. De Jong 13. Fourie 14. JP 15. Frans
16. Beast/cj 17. Rallapele 18. BJ 19. Bekker 20. Vermeulen 21. Ricky 22. Basson
conditioning and timeout:
smit, bakkies, matfield, brussow, burger, fdp and habana
28 Aug 2010, 22:52 pm
@Biltong boytjie(Biltong boytjie)-172: interesting team but i would send spies packing to the bulls where he can play against the chiefs every week!stop with the spies on the wing option because that will never happen…he should first master the art of a number8.
28 Aug 2010, 22:52 pm
@JL1(JL1)-199:
ding ding ding we have a winner 
aw but I want him home now
28 Aug 2010, 22:55 pm
@cab(cab)-200: You’d bring Ricky!?
28 Aug 2010, 22:55 pm
@cab(cab)-200: Why Chili?
28 Aug 2010, 22:56 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-202: Too much bad blood between him and the Springbok
28 Aug 2010, 22:57 pm
The saddest fact for me was that loftus was not full for a test match,normally loftus is always full for a test match and correct me if i am wrong but i thought i heard the commentator say the crowd was only 35,000,that is way below the 60,000 capacity of loftus.It looks like the paying public are fed up paying good money to watch an underperforming team led by the three stooges,who have not a clue about teat match rugby.I saw HM in the crowd and i wonder what he thinks of the poor rugby the boks are playing.Congrats to Victor on his 100th test.
28 Aug 2010, 23:03 pm
@JL1(JL1)-205: neh, tell them to grow up and be big boys and deal with it
Keo seems to be a fan hey… maybe they should make him coach
28 Aug 2010, 23:06 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-207: Not that easy, Keo used to be anti Bok until they made him media spokesperson
Luke is still not coming back for at least 2 years
28 Aug 2010, 23:06 pm
Sarah,
good conditions for him, had a good spell in Wales
JL1
played very well today, he’s light but determined, give him a go and let’s see if he can also do it away from the melktert
28 Aug 2010, 23:07 pm
@blueboy(blueboy)-206: That is quite amazing,
The interesting part is the Bokks beat the number 3 team in the world and probably every other team in world rugby but against the AB’s its just not good enough, that goes for both of us
28 Aug 2010, 23:08 pm
@cab(cab)-200: At first glance it doesn’t work but when you think about the bigger picture it’s not a bad team at all… Maybe just add Gio Aplon, Coenie Oosthuizen, Steven Sykes, Rob Ebersohn and any other scrummie except Fat Rick to that…? (how about Ruan P?)
28 Aug 2010, 23:09 pm
@JL1(JL1)-208: hhhmmm really? contract ends in may or june… with a little one on the way… they may want family around them
@cab(cab)-209: nogal… well who knows, maybe he won’t disappoint
28 Aug 2010, 23:09 pm
pathetic game of rugby. how poor are these aussies. they were tripping over their own shackles the whole bloody time. time that giteau gets the boot. useless personified.
frans steyn was a disaster, only out”disastered” by habana. bring back aplon. bring back de jongh. chili was awesome, but then again, so would by my grandmother compared to smit.
showpony spies still cannot tackle. juan smith awesome. burger quiet. big vic is back. gurthro is a monster of note. hougaard is king. morne only ever plays well at loftus. jdv and mossie have to play together more often – they are still world beaters as a combo.
expect the aussies to put up a better showing in bloem. going to watch the game.
28 Aug 2010, 23:14 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-213: Amen. Spot on.
28 Aug 2010, 23:16 pm
211 pannie
yeah I’m not sure it works either, they will have their work cut out but it’s a pack of hard grafters with a sprinkling of vets, the young okes will also bust a gut to make a claim
rickie not great with service, but he’s often done quite well in those scrappy conditions, maybe pienaar.u right and sykes might also be good to take along with aplon
28 Aug 2010, 23:16 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-212: Sarah, that will never happen – not while guys like Victor, Juan Smith and Jean DiV is still there
28 Aug 2010, 23:18 pm
Also really like coenie oosthuizen especially in the tightloose, but he’s scrumming might be badly exposed up north, got a slightly skied back when he buks
28 Aug 2010, 23:22 pm
@cab(cab)-215: I think it’s a good team – we can use the EOY tour to give guys like Flip, Juan de Jongh, Basson, Coenie O and Francois Hougaard more exposure and other youngster can get used to the cold…hahaha!
28 Aug 2010, 23:22 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-216: jean is not a problem & hopefully Smit will take Victor with him when he retires
28 Aug 2010, 23:25 pm
@cab(cab)-217: You’re absolutely right – Coenie O is 20 years old, 130kg of pure Free State beef but he needs good coaching and technique – if we can utilise someone like Matthew Proudfoot/Os’s coaching ability (instead of that Gold gwar) we’ll turn Coenie into one of the best ever
28 Aug 2010, 23:27 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah)-219: I can guarantee you Pukey McNasty will retire before Victor or Juan Smith will
28 Aug 2010, 23:52 pm
Just saw an article claiming that the Golden Lions are thinking of luring John Smit for R4mil…. Sharkies, here’s your opportunity to make some serious moollllaaahhh! Now I know the Lions are really farking desperate!
29 Aug 2010, 00:25 am
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-222:
The Lions have made many mistakes in the past (buying the Rose brothers for example) but surely they cannot be THAT stupid.
29 Aug 2010, 00:38 am
well done to the boys.
still a lot to work on both defensively and on attack but this is a start.
29 Aug 2010, 00:41 am
Just finished watching tghe game. All Blacks have nothing to worry about. Two poor teams having an off day.
29 Aug 2010, 00:43 am
The Aussies lost through their inability to continue the momentum they had created through their expansive play.Their set piece failure meant they couldn’t take any number of opportunities available. 20 minutes to go and the game tightened which played into the SAs hands.
Steyn,s strengths suited the game last year. SA have the weakest back three of the 3N and this is a concern for Bok selectors as rugby encourages 15 man rugby under the current interpretations. Habana , Peterson and Steyn do not offer the threat to well organized defenses in the way Mulliania, Jane and Rokocoko do for the ABs or even Mitchell Beale and O’Connor.It is the achilles heel in the Bok game.
Juan Smith has been tremendous for the Boks. He has been providing the go forward that Spies is supposed to bring to the squad. Better from Spies today but he was allowed to be by a poor defensive intensity at times from Aussie.
Fourie who? Hougaard has been outstanding. His game suits the present rules.
Although the Boks won today the Wallabies will take great heart from the game. A better side would of made the Boks pay for the amount of possession hte wallabies enjoyed in the Boks half.
29 Aug 2010, 00:44 am
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-222: Lions notorious for buying has-beens. No surprises there. King Carlos the most high profile has-been. Waylon Murray from Sharks. Wickus van Heerden from Saracens. A good place to finish your career in disgrace. Go Barney, go!
29 Aug 2010, 00:54 am
@lapoftherugbygods(lapoftherugbygods)-226: Dropping Habana will make a big difference to back three. He contributes nothing – he embarrassingly drops the kick-off and then proceeds to miss a straight forward tackle on O’Conner to gift the fullback a try. It looks like Habs has lot all interest in the game.
Agree that win against mediocre Wobblies means nothing, especially at altitude. But let’s face it – these sides have nothing left to play for.
For final test I would like to see Bismark back at hooker. Smit ‘rested’. Keep Chilli on the bench and nail Ricky to the wood. Hougaard is the fire in the Bok belly. The player that will spark a revival. ‘Rest’ Jaque Fourie and bring De Jongh back.
29 Aug 2010, 01:13 am
these journo’s are screwed in the head, that was a great game of rugby as a spectacle if ever there was one, and the first time this year that Boks got stuck in at the gain line, everyone of them, from Hougaard to M. Steyn and even Spies, JdV, Fourie, all of them got stuck in and didn’t shirk and attacked the advantage line with mening.
Morne and Hougie didn’t kick half their good ball away and if backs would spin the ball a bit instead of trying to be hero’s with players wide in better finishing positions, then poor buggers like Habana can also get some piece of the action.
If Burger, Spies, JdV, Fourie would check there are players wide of them that can round off and finish instead of them going for glory and getting stopped short, we would have rounded at least couple more tries.
The one time JdV offloaded to JPP at the death it turned into a winning move, same as few moves earlier, if ball would have gotten some width would have been good few tries extra on the cards.
29 Aug 2010, 01:14 am
Come on Ryan. What drivel you spew.
Three of the Wallabies were very soft and from just poor mistakes from the Boks.
After the first 12 mins when we were 21-7 down, we lifted our game competely, bettered and controlled the rest of the game. The result of that?
We won the last 68 mins by a scoreline of 37-10.
29 Aug 2010, 01:22 am
@kwas(kwas)-228: I’d also drop Spies and Morne for the next game. Both are overrated.
Sqaud for the WC:
1. Steenkamp/CJ
2. Bismarck/Liebenberg
3. Kruger/Jannie
4. Botha/Dannie
5. Matfield/Bekker
6. Brussouw/Burger
7. Smith/Deysel
8. Vermeulen/Koster
9. Du Preez/Ruan
10. Butch/Lambie
11. Hougaard/Habana
12. Jean/Lambie
13. De Jongh/Fourie
14. Mapoe/JPP
15. Frans/Aplon
29 Aug 2010, 01:39 am
@garth(garth)-231:
What has Koster done to warrant a call up in your book? Smacks of one eye stuff!
29 Aug 2010, 01:42 am
“that was a great game of rugby as a spectacle if ever there was one” – skopdoos
That was a circus of note, all that was missing were a few elephants and some burning hoops………
29 Aug 2010, 01:43 am
@kwas(kwas)-228: Yes its been a long time between drinks for Brian. I cant see him returning to the devastating form of 2006-2007.
Must be some young speedster surely champing at the bit somewhere in the Currie cup surely?
29 Aug 2010, 02:04 am
Typical armchair critics article rubbishing the players sweating gallons some of them – interesting game and a lot of good rugby in it; the Boks tries were all very good and some of the Aussie playmaking was very skilled; big hits galore – Smit’s best game of the season.
Sure – you can rip it to shreds – that’s how critics make themselves feel important – that was a good test match, full errors, occasional bad play, major hits and several flashes of sheer brilliance from both sides.
It was fast as anything and very exciting.
Hell man, what more do you want?
29 Aug 2010, 02:29 am
BOKKE!!! BOKKE!!! BOKKE!!!
Well done boys.
Oh yes, I’m wearing the yellow cap on bru.
Not bad for somebody who “knows nothing about” or has “never played” rugby.
Of hoe HG/SL???
Hahahaha.
29 Aug 2010, 02:34 am
@whatever(whatever)-232: I predict he’ll start living up to all the hype come S15. What’s Spies done to deserve a callup?
29 Aug 2010, 02:43 am
Goodness, I was embarrassed for both teams watching that game this morning – it was painful for both teams. The Aussies are back to their light weight best but what happened to the defensive jagganuat (sp??) that nearly strangled the Mighty All Blacks last week.
It was very disappointing, if the Boks played like that against the ABs it would have been a absolute hiding.
I really felt for Habana, a simple mistake with horrific consequences. From a Kiwi point of view, if no intercepts are going, then this man has no other dimensions to his game.
Where was the Bok passion?!!? The reason we fear and respect them? No counter rucking, no intimidation, soft…
Come on guys,I want the old Boks – the ones we are scared of!
Good to see Big Mat firing again – good reff’ing too
29 Aug 2010, 02:44 am
Spies is sommer kak. He must go, the sooner the better. He can’t go to the WC next year.
Hougaard played well. Still needs to work on his pass and his speed to the breakdown. Too many times where other players had to pass the ball from the base of a ruck, Habana, Matfield, JPP etc. (Ricky would’ve been nailed for this). Shows a lack of awareness which he will only develop if he plays regularly at SH. And yes, he should serve his apprenticeship at the Bulls, not the Bokke. I think Tac will agree that the Bokke is not the place where a player should serve his apprenticeship.
F. Steyn is not so super after all. Too many times out of position at FB. Trying a monster drop kick after the whistle had gone??? Who was he trying to fool??? He is a liability.
Danie, as usual, the unsung hero. Good impact in the time that he was on the field.
JS had a good game. Great commitment from him.
Chili even better.
CJ moet vokkof. Hy beteken vokkol.
29 Aug 2010, 02:54 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-238:
“…if no intercepts are going, then this man has no other dimensions to his game.”
Don’t agree with you. Habana is probably one of only a handful of Bok players who can play rugby without the ball in hand. That is since readmission in the early 90′s. The amount of work this man put in throughout a game without receiving a ball in a back line move, is astounding. Yes, he made a mistake not catching that ball. He will probably not sleep tonight because of it. Apart from that mistake, I though he had a decent game. Fourie/JdV (not sure) could have put him through for a try at one stage if he looked to his right after a mini break. Instead he looked for support to his left and there was none. That’s how it goes sometimes.
29 Aug 2010, 02:58 am
Very poor game from both teams in many respects. Boks were pathetic in tactics, vision and gameplan, the box kick and aimless mid field bomb are still being used as if it was 2008-9.
Lets be realistic the Kiwis would have utterly destroyed that Bok team with those pathetic tactics by something like a 50-7 scoreline. The Aussies missed 2 easy trys and let in 2 easy trys, poor Deans he doesn’t deserve a team like that.
29 Aug 2010, 03:08 am
@Nama1
Agree with you, the poor bu$gger will worry that error to death when the rest of his game was alright…
I am really glad we did not give Deans the AB Coaching Role over Henry now…
ABs are the best team in the World – except for every four years…
If we can win that critical game then all this silly ness about chocking can stop. Sometimes I wonder if the WC actually over shadows test rugby…
29 Aug 2010, 03:09 am
I was happy that we were able to construct tries, where the Ozzies were only lucky that our defense was ****. I still feel the backline needs to run more with ball in hand, especially against the ABs. Let’s face it, we need to plan our game plan for a final against the ABs in 2011 WC in mind. You cannot kick and chase against the ABs They have 2 or sometimes 3 fullbacks in their back 3 who can run it from anywhere and don’t drop balls.
29 Aug 2010, 03:16 am
@Dex(Dex)-241:
In 2008 they ran everything apparently, remember? Playing the situation.
With nothing to play for, except pride and Victor’s 100th match, I thought their tactics were spot on. Can’t imagine them playing the same way against the AB’s.
Maybe Deans is just overrated. What’s his record against the top nations with this talented Aus side? SA, NZ, France, Ireland, Eng?
Reminds me a bit of Buchannan, the former Aus cricket coach.
29 Aug 2010, 03:16 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-242: ‘ABs are the best team in the World – except for every four years…’
….at a tournament where the best team in the world is officially decided.
29 Aug 2010, 03:29 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-242:
Habana will be back, of that I have no doubt. You only have to look at the Rocketman to see that class is permanent. All Habana needs is a few lucky breaks to get his confidence back. Unfortunately he didn’t have any this 3Nations. Oh yes, and a flyhalf/back line that will give him some ball on the front foot.
But he’ll be back. Of that I’m sure.
@garth(garth)-243:
Yes, when last did we score 5 tries against a top rugby nation? Good, constructed tries. Not intercepts or tries coming from mistakes by the opponents. I just hope that the players, and coaching staff, will start to believe that we are capable to play that kind of rugby instead of that kick and chase kak.
29 Aug 2010, 03:35 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-245:
Were Greece the best soccer team in Europe when they won the European championship? (in 2004, I believe)
PS, stick it to them.
29 Aug 2010, 03:44 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-245:
Big Hit,dont go down that silly road.
Its a knockout tournament where you have the top 30 teams in the world. We all know anything can happen.
But playing 3 games home and away against the top teams is a far better way to get the real best team in the world. Thats why we have IRB rankings,you might not rate them but i do as well as the IRB who know a little bit more about rugby than you do.
Not trying to knock the RWC here but it is only a tournament that happens once every 4 years. I admit to win it sometimes you need a bit of luck and amongst other things of course a good team. But just cos you won that tournament does not mean you should not worry about the next 3 and bit years to the next one,this is what is killing rugby at the moment. And fans like you are buying into it
29 Aug 2010, 04:03 am
Well done Boks! After having a few beers to celebrate they now need to look critically at the game and see what improvements they can make going forward. Heres a few that I thought of:
1) Hogaard needs more time at 9. He was a fantastic addition to the team and pops up everywhere doing his best (which is usually pretty good). The other side of that though is that on more occasions than the team might want he was not fast to the base of the breakdown. It meant slow ball and sometimes disorganised attack from what may have been a good position. He needs to decide if some of the other stuff he is doing is more valuable than firing quick organised ball from the base of the breakdown.
Habana needs to be ‘re-treaded’ or dropped for good. You feel that he is so desperate to make a statement that he takes the high risk option too often. His attack is mostly OK, although you have to question why he isn’t used more (is it him or the game plan?). His defense is a liability in nearly every game now. If you are not going to use him to attack in space, and he is a defensive liability, then why is he there?
2) Smit played much better today, but he had little real go forward in his drives and seemed to go to ground more easily than some more dynamic hookers. I still feel that he either needs ‘re-treading’ or replacing to further improve the forward effort.
3) Steenkamp seemed like a walking penalty at the breakdown. He was quite dynamic today, but gave away too many penalties. He needs to be more careful and work on his technique.
4) F Steyn the ‘great saviour’ wasn’t great at all. He was inconsistent (as we know he can be) and didn’t add any real value. I think he is much better than he showed tonight, so he either needs to become a permanent part of the team at 15 and get game time at this level, or maybe become an impact player off the bench. The fact that he can cover 10, 12, 15 (and I guess 13?) would make him valuable on the bench.
5) Matfield got up for this game and played his best international of the season. Give him a rest now if you want to see that again next year.
6)M Steyn vs Butch. Morne had his best game of the Tri-nations today. Play him again next week and see if he can build on that confidence. Butch is great off the bench. I wouldn’t change this even though Butch looked good when he came on.
7) The loose trio looked good tonight, but I still think there is someone better than Spies. More show than go that man. Time to test some alternatives.
I thought that once they settled into the game the midfield looked pretty sharp. The locks were good. CBR made an impact off the bench (although you need to balance the turnovers vs the penalties). Lineout was good. Scrum was OK, but being ‘OK’ against Aus may not really be OK. Looked to me that the Bok scrum got away with ‘boring in’ a few times which the refs may pick up on for the future after reviewing the great overhead shots.
The important games will be tighter than that, and some of what looked OK tonight will not look OK when the game is tighter and the opportunities are less.
29 Aug 2010, 04:05 am
Just caught the replay this afternoon on Sky. Worrying signs for the Boks, who were lucky to come away with a win today. As others have said, they would have been buried if they’d been playing New Zealand. Frans Steyn was very quiet for most of the game and failed to make an impact when he did have his hands on the ball (apart from the opportunistic try he was handed by Steyn M). Hopefully he will be allowed to stick around to gain some much needed game time. I can’t wait to see the talent that will emerge on the EOYT when the senior players are rested (read: whipped into shape).
Based on what I’ve seen so far, there is no way that the Springboks can expect to successfully defend their title in New Zealand next year. They have a long way (and another 3N) to go before they can be regarded as a credible threat to New Zealand who are (apart from 2009) the best rugby playing team in the world.
29 Aug 2010, 04:07 am
@big hit
come on, with that logic, a team could win 99 games out of 100 over four years, fail in one and not be the best team in the world…
..beside other teams don’t beat the ABs in the World Cup games, we seem pretty good at beating ourselves..
..all I can say, is please keep your current coach and that may give the ABs the edge they will ened.
But can you imagine a Bok / AB final next year – epic!
..and I am happy the Boks win the WC as long it is not those insufferable UK teams…
I love a AB victory over the Boks but ones over the English really makes my front pants much less roomy!
29 Aug 2010, 04:15 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-251: “beside other teams don’t beat the ABs in the World Cup games”
Except France (2007), Australia (2003), South Africa (1995 and 1999).
29 Aug 2010, 04:18 am
@aliboy(aliboy)-249:
Your take on Spies and CJ!!!
Agree with everything you said. (see 239)
29 Aug 2010, 04:21 am
@Esoteric
And France again at some time..
Nah, those teams were ok, but for whatever reasons the ABs had brain explosions (or were poisoned) – yes, that’s it, poisoned every time…
29 Aug 2010, 04:36 am
@nama1(nama1)-253: Looks like we agree on most of that. See my 7) in previous post re Spies – “more show than go”. I didn’t get left with any real impression about CJ at all, which is why I didn’t mention him. Bok scrum was only average, so maybe that is the clue. What was your take on him?
29 Aug 2010, 04:40 am
For me Hougaard was easily man of the match. Two try saving tackles, two direct try set ups. Not to mention he was everywhere and doing something at speed. Passing was clean and crisp, I thought he was fast to the breakdown (when he wasn’t there it was because he was stuck at the bottom of the ruck). MOM easily. Looks and plays like a kiwi, in fact on current form he is better than Du Preez.
F.Steyn started poorly and improved to average. It was said before that he lacked match fitness, I even heard that his Metro Racing coach said he wasn’t ready for test matches. Playing him now will only set him up for failure.
Juan Smith is just a machine, such a great fend.
Spies looked pretty determind, always just got tackled at the bootlaces before he opened up but the fact that Pocock and Brown were quiet can be attributed to SA’s loose trio. Burger is so consistent at putting mamoth efforts in game after game.
The critism of Habana is harsh. Obviously he made some big mistakes but its not from “not being interested”. Far from it, in fact I think he is trying too hard to inject himself which is why he is rushing up and making silly mistakes. Just needs to ease up and get himself back in the groove.
M Steyn had a much better game, at times showed that he is good at running the ball.
Fourie constantly impresses me with his ability to stay on his feet during a tackle and continue to burst through it. Would have liked to have seen JDJ replace JDV.
Chilliboy got stuck in at rucktime when he came on and made a couple of important turn overs. That being said, Smit did play better than last week.
I think the biggest difference today was the speed at which the Boks were recycling the ball. It gave little time for the wallabies fetchers to steal the ball and opened up their defence. In addition it gave us momentum at ruck time so towards the end of the game even the backs were pushing wallabies off the ball. We can thank Hougaard for initiating this- I said at the very beginning that I had a gut feeling he would be good at scrum half
29 Aug 2010, 04:41 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-251: You do of course realise that Mr Big Hit is a Pom? He is not the AB’s greatest fan, although to be fair he has been more complimentary than normal this tri-nations
. The Bok’s seem to be his 2nd international team for some reason, but perhaps if you are an England supporter having a 2nd team from the Southern Hemisphere eases the pain a little 
29 Aug 2010, 05:38 am
@aliboy(aliboy)-257: Well, that does explain a lot, the home of the most boring rugby in the World…I hope he is not as bad as that Journalist Stephen Jones..The English are the worst Winners in the World..I have a lot of respect for the Boks – what you see is what you get – but the Pom National team are arrogant beyond belief, 9 man rugby at its worst.
I actually thought the Boks ran some good backline moves this morning – if the Boks can merge the set pieces with some more backline moves plus keep up the normal quality of their kicking they will be unstoppable.
It just seems to me the heart has gone out of the Boks somewhat. NZ needs the Boks to be hard, horrible and scary – it keeps our ABs at a good level. The whole country hated what the Boks did to us last year, absolutely rogered us, without even a kiss on the forehead afterwards…
29 Aug 2010, 05:49 am
Once again great rugby poor journalism! This site is so anti anybody besides WP
Thanks to both teams for such great entertainment!
Hougaard is just what we needed at 9, mongrel and youthful injection. His fast pace and unpredictability gave us great go forward! The was a doos on this site still saying Januarie is better! Doos don’t like whites
FSteyn improved quickly but Aplon should have got the nod
Mstain was masterful and showed great glimpses of running rugby
Great leadership by the seniors to keep the players motivated
Well done Boks and thanks for winning
29 Aug 2010, 06:00 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-259:
Ja Kevin Hougaard apart form 1st poor kick was excellent
Does remind me of a quick Fdp.
And those still think Ricky is better well today shut them up.
Maybe Aplon for Habana? Keep Steyn there at 15
habana needs some time with province.
Add Bismark to the mix, and the Beast
Our senior backs looked good
I still think JF is best center in the world
And a new # 8 although Spies was ok.
Why did he go left with a big right blind saide in front of the posts??
29 Aug 2010, 06:04 am
CoachPete ja the players need to look left and right as we lost a few oppurtunites
Spies was great but only an impact player
29 Aug 2010, 06:07 am
I am sure that BH has been accused of being an S Jones clone before. There have been occasions when the comments have been startlingly similar. To be fair to the bloke though he has been more balanced in his comments this tri-nations and I think he is sometimes just winding up a few of the more obnoxious kiwi bloggers.
29 Aug 2010, 06:09 am
A lousy Boks performance yesterday, despite dropping two pathetic Quotas and bringing on two world class backs.
I put my bet on the Boks winning by 20-25 margins, didn’t happened, against a real hopless Wallabies team.
29 Aug 2010, 06:10 am
Will Genia get cited for the dangerous spear tackle in the 54thinute? That was the most dangerous tackle I have seem since Coopers head drive
29 Aug 2010, 06:10 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-261:
He is listening to you carefully, just let him consume his daily whisky allocation and he will response!
29 Aug 2010, 06:12 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-261:
If you have a scrum 5 meters near line and a big weak (blind side) to the right you MUST go right because the opposition scrum half cannot defend it. Add the extra man and its a try most times.
So Spies picks the ball up at base of scrum and goes left into the defence????? Somebody not tell him about this?
29 Aug 2010, 06:14 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-264:
More a desperate tackle than dangerous plus bok player landed on another aussie
29 Aug 2010, 06:17 am
What impressed most was the protecting of the ruck and clear out
29 Aug 2010, 06:19 am
Ja but he still lifted his feet above his body
29 Aug 2010, 06:19 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-263:
I think it was a better performance
Remember we are basically playing with 14 men (Smit is a walking captain)
Bring in Bismark (added agression and speed
Play Aplon for habana
The addition of JP, JF Juan and even steyn at 15 has helped
I think it will get better
29 Aug 2010, 06:20 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-264:
Those will get away with anything.
Look at who broke Stuart Abbott’s leg in 2002 Test between England and France in a classic ‘Chop Block’ act, a huge outcry at the time but guess what: he wasn’t even warned and then played with Wasps as their influential figure!
29 Aug 2010, 06:21 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-254: Hehe, Boks could have used some of that “poison” this 3N me thinks :p
29 Aug 2010, 06:25 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-272:
Durban Poison?
29 Aug 2010, 06:26 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-270:
Did you watch Danille from FS walking over Aplon on Friday?
Keep the gogo away from the Boks, they can’t win with midgets
DeJongh ditto, that is if you want to rebuild a Test winning culture
29 Aug 2010, 06:28 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-274:
He has guts and speed better than some players
Sorry mate I disagree Just my opinion
29 Aug 2010, 06:33 am
Bismark has been on fire
Got worried when Butch came on but he kept his discipline that was the big difference was discipline and substituting Smittie has chiliboy had a noticable affect when he came on
29 Aug 2010, 06:35 am
Great performance by the Aussies, that game was there for the taking against the hapless Boks – roll on Bloemfontein
29 Aug 2010, 06:36 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-276:
Yes Chili boi’s big hit great, but for me Bismark at 2
Butch never made a mistake really maybe a few touch finders but otherwise good.
I am also not sure about Jannie Dup
29 Aug 2010, 06:37 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-275:
Consider the facts:
The Boks lost 4 Test on a row with Aplon, DeJongh and Januarie playing in the lin up or as subs,
enough said
29 Aug 2010, 06:41 am
Hondo I disagree with you totally with Aplon and JdJ
we lost because we lost the breakdown and was on the bacfoot
29 Aug 2010, 06:44 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-279:
Not Aplons fault at all.
Yes Ricky is kak
J smit done matfield has been poor
Spies not my choice at 8
Olivier was there too and is no JF or Jdv
So many other reasons including coaching no fetcher etc
Not Aplons fault We disagree
29 Aug 2010, 06:45 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-280:
We agree
29 Aug 2010, 06:45 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-280:
Plus we should have beaten ABs last week we had that game
29 Aug 2010, 06:50 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-283:
To be fair the Boks did well to hold the Kiwis out for so long. Boks did twice as much tackles. The ABs had run 3 times as much metres than the Boks so the Boks did well to hold on. But really going on that the Boks were lucky not to be beaten by more
29 Aug 2010, 06:52 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-283: Yep, you should have won – the Boks were awesome on defense. If they had played like that this week, they would won in a more definitive manner.
I took a lot of heart out of the AB’s last minute win last week – in the past, the mental toughness would not have been there.
29 Aug 2010, 06:52 am
An aside from the rugby. After the game we were having this discussion on which is the best National Anthem. Well, the South African anthem won hands down. Toks Van der Linde, ex Bok prop and Karen Ferreira’s version this morning, was simply outstanding.
29 Aug 2010, 06:52 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-284:
I disagree
many mistakes in last 15 blew it for the boks vs your boys
Plus wipe out the Mc Caw try (earlier forward pass)
I think Boks should have won
29 Aug 2010, 06:55 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-285:
Agreed
@horiman(horiman)-286:
Agreed
29 Aug 2010, 07:02 am
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-287:
I know what you are saying but if you think you should win a game by playing only 65 mins of solid rugby then theres a problem. As said the stats show a different story. Boks were on the defense most of the game.
As we all know forwards passes get missed and people score tries from it,just think yourself lucky that it didnt happen in a quarter final at a RWC
29 Aug 2010, 07:05 am
What a bizaar 3n this has been,allthough nz playing some good footie at the moment I am not convinced they are as great as a lot of people are making them out to be.
There is no denying they have had the rub of the officiating green what with playing the first 3 games against yellow card depleted teams(unfairly I might add)and then in soweto getting a fifty fifty call from Veldsman(which even the kiwi commentators said should not have been given),and then scoring from a blatant forward pass.
The only game that was not influenced by officials was the one in Christchurch against Aus, which lf memory served took an allmighty defensive effort by nz to win (which you would expect at home).
Surely we will never see a 3n start the way this one did again with some of the most sub-standard reffing ever allthough if Paddy has anything to say about it you never know.
Perhaps we should have an asterix next to this 3n.LOL.
29 Aug 2010, 07:10 am
@4moreyears(4moreyears)-290:
I think when we have Oz play Boks then a Kiwi ref and same for other games Oz vs Nz a saffa ref etc
29 Aug 2010, 07:12 am
@4moreyears(4moreyears)-290:
Those same refs were reffing last year so whats the difference?
I understand there has been some strange decisions,some even have been in the favour of the Boks as well so dont think the ABs are the only ones that have got of lightly.
I think the ABs are good,infact better than OZ and SA at the moment. Do you ever notice how many times the the Bok players are ahead of Morne when he kicks,you probably dont notice.
29 Aug 2010, 07:21 am
Oh cmon this whining about the ref is really pathetic and something I would expect from Stephen Jones and whinging Poms.
The Kiwis are winning because they have the best game plan and execute it extremely well, not because some as some childish whingers suggest that there is a conspiracy amongst referee’s to benefit them. They are a distinctly superior team playing a superior brand of Rugby to the Bok and just a superior team when it comes to Aussie. I look at all the games and in not a single one did they not deserve to win.
And the Kiwi’s didn’t score off a blatant forward pass, that was well prior to the try itself and not directly influential on it, had it been picked up they would more than likely still have managed to run rings about a tired and boring Bok team. You might as well whinge because they had an offside player 10 minutes earlier that wasn’t picked up.
The article was exactly right and you can see the attitude here with people ignoring the major problems and deficiencies because they are fooled by a win. We saw today how good the backs can be, with a very strong centre field and pace on the wings, supported by an excellent forward pack who are more than capable of controlling possession and yet this ridiculous boring and outdated gameplan of box kicks, midfield bombs and kicking for territory still exists. Bad to watch, bad for the game and bad for future prospects given the way the rules and interpretations are heading.
29 Aug 2010, 07:21 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-292: The difference is the plethora of yellow cards against anyone who played the kiwis this year which killed off any chance of this years 3n being a contest from the word get go.
And what is with the fact that they have all of a sudden dried up for things players were getting binned for only a short while back,do you think it is because the players have cleaned up there act?or because the officials realised what a complete ****-up those first three games were.
Or if you are a real conspiracy theorist is it that nz had all but one the 3n by the 4th game.
However I dont blame the ABs for what they might or might not have got away with,for me the blame lies squarely at the feet of Paddy O Brien his kiwi bias is allmost palpable.
29 Aug 2010, 07:26 am
@4moreyears(4moreyears)-290: Don’t blame crappy reffing for losses, the last WC game we had against France, the ref was an absolute shocker, but you need to adjust to that on the day and still win – we didn’t….and this year other teams did not in 3N.
If someone (not you, i realize) says there is a conspiracy with refs helping out NZ or that NZ get away with murder , I will scream!
I have no doubt McCaw breaks the rules but he is a master at adjusting his style game to game depending on the ref, adding to the fact he is a very skilled player gives him supra human outputs..
..and last week, if DC had had a good day , the tries would not have mattered, if an asteroid had hit Earth, the Boks would have won.
Lets look on the bright side – between the Boks and AB’s, the Northern Hemi’ must be quaking in their boots…
agree re refs , not a big fan of the northen ones, though the ones so far have been harsh, but consistent…
29 Aug 2010, 07:27 am
@Dex(Dex)-293: Actually I believe one of the only ways to beat the ABs is through the use of kicks,box kicks etc providing you chase them,if you go back to the Soweto game you will see in the first half the Boks use of box kicks gave the ABs all kinds of problems because they were chasing them,
Then in the second half they did not chase them and then it becomes a gift.
I dont believe the kiwis have found away to best the Boks kicking game I think the Boks have forgotten how to execute it properly.
29 Aug 2010, 07:32 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-295: I have no doubt you are right , but the only game we have not been hard done by was this one against AUS and that is not to say we were favoured ,4 out of 5 I mean what is up with that,you would feel hard done by with that in a season let alone one competition.
29 Aug 2010, 07:45 am
@4moreyears(4moreyears)-296: Actually i agree partially with this.
I think doing this but with other options in case, the pressure doesn’t work. If the AB’s back three catch the ball and run it back successfully, it is very dangerous.
If they don’t, well, then we deserve to get beaten.
Though you notice, the AB’s are smarter this year and actually will resort to tactical kicking when they needed to, a big difference from 2009.
29 Aug 2010, 07:49 am
The sad truth – if your a Kiwi – is that once FDP is back, we will regain the top spot and wipe the floow with everyone.
Bokke Bokke Bokke!!
Sorry AB’s, we are on the up, and I suspect that you will choke in the world cup. Bwahahahahahahahahahahah….!!!!
29 Aug 2010, 07:54 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-298: Yes the run at all cost option has been tempered with a kick option.Will be interesting to see if the refs clamp down on McCaw the way they did in 07 however you are correct he is a very gifted player.
29 Aug 2010, 07:55 am
“I dont believe the kiwis have found away to best the Boks kicking game I think the Boks have forgotten how to execute it properly.”
I think they have, they have clearly mastered the very technical art of a.jumping and b.catching which for some reason seemed to escape them in 09. Now the Bok kicks are just an opportunity for them to gain possession and counter attack. If they had any players with a weakness under the high ball like they used to have then maybe, but not now and its something that they have clearly trained the hell out of.
And I think we all know that if Henry, Deans and co who are clearly streaks ahead of DeVilliers in terms of coaching nous saw any future in such a tactic they would have adapted it instead of doing the exact opposite.
29 Aug 2010, 07:56 am
A quick question, if Bees Roux is found guilty of murder or manslaughter, will he automatically qualify to play for the Wallabies?
29 Aug 2010, 08:00 am
@JohnyBlue(JohnyBlue)-299: Bit dangerous to rely on one player – that is one thing that worries me, if McCaw or Danny Carter are injured, could be bad…
God, i want to win so much in 2011, I can taste it! Then, the silly comments about choking will go away…last time we lsot, i stayed in bed for two days!
And if we lose at home, it will be worse!!
..I’m trying to get a job as the Boks Kiwi based team chef…
4 more years – you are right, he could be shut down by the refs and we don’t really have a good backup..
29 Aug 2010, 08:03 am
@4moreyears(4moreyears)-300:Yip, McCaw is a gifted player, but he is made to look good by the referees….. (more often than not) I don’t think he’d make sellection in half the CC teams…
29 Aug 2010, 08:07 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-303: Sober thoughts, it will be a Bok, AB’s final on the day I think (hope) the Boks can take it.
Changes required, Bismarck for John, Kanko for Spies (Unless Spies regains form), and Beast, Olivier, Applon, Lambie on the bench.
29 Aug 2010, 08:09 am
@JohnyBlue(JohnyBlue)-304:
..sigh…, it is silly comments like this that make it very hard not to post personal abuse…
29 Aug 2010, 08:09 am
@4moreyears(4moreyears)-294: So what we have seen is that head butts, kicking players, eye gouging, tip tackles etc have stopped so the yellow cards have stopped. Lets face it, the yellow cards were mostly not for law infringements, they were mostly for dirty play. Of all those cards, only the Roussow, Mitchel, and Franks ones were marginal, the others were quite clear. There was also Burger and one Aus player who got away with blatant eye gouges, and who knows how they missed the citing commissioner when everyone else could see them? Did Paddy tell the commissioner to not cite those guys, or was the commissioner blind???
Basically, the teams have now worked out that they won’t get away with dirty play so it has stopped. It really is that simple.
29 Aug 2010, 08:10 am
@JohnyBlue(JohnyBlue)-305:
I am happy if it is southern hemi’ final – if we had to lose, prefer it to be Boks…
29 Aug 2010, 08:33 am
What bull. Ryan Vrede appears to forget that the Boks recovered from being 21-7 to win by 13 points against a side that is certainly not the worst out there and is more likely one the best. I would even go as far as to say the Aussies have a better backline than the All Blacks or ourselves. Sure our game was at only “good” but there were a lot of improvements. I think with a couple of tweaks (addition of Bismark for example) and some clever substitutions during the game we will certainly threaten the All Blacks.
29 Aug 2010, 08:39 am
France to win the 2011 World Cup in NZ!
29 Aug 2010, 08:39 am
@Cyperus(Cyperus)-309:
errrr, where you watching the same game I was, defense was appalling, if Boks played like that against the ABs, it would have been a hiding.
Both teams should have been ashamed of themselves for your defense..esp as if the Boks had played like last week, they would have destroyed the Wobblies.
Do agree though, the Boks had good mental strength to keep at it when they got behind, the Boks are bloody hard to catch once they get ahead and start protecting their lead…
29 Aug 2010, 08:50 am
To be honest John had a better game yesterday, but Chiliboy looked so much better when he came on. Roussouw also brought a bit of stability to the team.
Anyone who is going to get carried away with this needs their head read! It was so mediocre and the defensive efforts were very weak.
Think it is time to rid the team of some of the showponies.
29 Aug 2010, 08:52 am
@Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man)-311: I am sure it was the same game. We just see it differently. Sure, the defence wasn’t great but the context explains a lot. Both sides were desperate to win and both decided to throw the ball (the Boks had to when they were 14 or so points down) about It was just the character of that particular game. Once the Boks got ahead they slowed it down and played with more structure. They wouldn’t have played like that against the All Blacks. Having said that, I think the Boks centres looked promising. They found half breaks regularly. They will trouble Nonu and Smith next time round!
29 Aug 2010, 08:54 am
@Cyperus(Cyperus)-313:
Agree centres were good and with JdJ in the wings it looks good. Still need to find a proper six, move Burger to 8 and bring in someone like Steggmann
29 Aug 2010, 08:56 am
Frans Steyn has also not learnt that possession is important. Every time the ball was kicked on him, he kicked out directly or down the throat of an attacker. He was poor and definitely out of shape.
29 Aug 2010, 08:59 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-314:
I actually thought Burger had a good game, was everywhere and had a good work rate – just did not actually pilfer the ball much ..at all…
Why do you think neither team counter rucked at all? It is a great tool.
29 Aug 2010, 09:00 am
311. Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man) thats right so used watching the kiwis pull jerseys and trip players that watching a non obstructive, sorry cheating game, has got you fused. Tries can be blamed on poor defense or great enterprise, you of couse have gone for the poor defence. Its not only the kiwis that score tries.
Kiwis are getting harregat now.
Both teams defensive lines were great, it was the willingness to run and to use the inside player at pace.
It was refreshing to see the supporting players not getting jersey pulled or tripped off the ball.
Well done to the ref at finally keeping it real. Pity it was like that for the first few games, Paddy.
Victor Matfield was incredible, surely the best player in that position going around.
The only thing I did not get was the Aussies not using the bench. Thats what cost us agains the Kiwis in the lst 10minutes, besides a forward pass. Pity Paddy did not jump on the ref like he did to Cobus.
29 Aug 2010, 09:02 am
@Dex(Dex)-301: Yes that was very clear from the slapping they just received from them….you cant be serious..and you cant be serious if you think that the kicking game such as they have employed previously will ever really be an effectual game winner again!!
29 Aug 2010, 09:04 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-317: boo hoo racky…you always forget the nice stuff e…h eye gouging, headbutting and biting. TAW.
29 Aug 2010, 09:10 am
319. captain fantail(captain fantail) LOL like the scratch marks both Smit and Flip
had under their eyes from the kiwis, yes the nice stuff.
I am pleased you bought up that up.
29 Aug 2010, 09:11 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-317:
When i read your post, i was initially lost for words – a jersey pull does not equal a blatant head butt from behind. The boks defensive line was not good, else, they would not have leaked so many tries.
All teams obstruct and niggle, its part of the game. Up to the ref to control.
And lets face it, it is not unusual for the Boks to score in multiples of three…
and for goodness sakes, there is no conspiracy to help out the Kiwis’, if there was, do you think it would ever be kept secret..you need to accept that your team needs to be more consistent and just improve.
While some Bok supporters go on about refs, cheating, the phase of the moon, the coach (actually, you may have a point there) – in the end , you need more fitness, better skills and to get back that good ol’ Bok confidence.
29 Aug 2010, 09:16 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-320:
John is so slow, he probably scratched his own eyes…
29 Aug 2010, 09:22 am
321. Southern Kiwi Man(Southern Kiwi Man) you see thats where you are wrong.
Frustrated players usually end up in niggle. Like the nice left jab Rocky landed on Woodcocks jaw after some jersey pulling. The jersey pull on Bakkies lead directly to the desired outcome, a penalty. Mccaws hand on Burgers face, after Burger threw the ball away(it was our throw in anyway) is frustration at cheating leading to niggle. Even ritchie stoops to that level. Likes his stud up kick on Danie or his trip on Januarie at the base of the scrum.
I do believe Paddys rep has been tarnished by his blatant one side management.
Where you right is the boks were beaten by a better team due to superior fitness, skills and mindset, especially discipline. No one disputes who is the number 1, what is dipsuted is the margins!
Our discipline is what won the game in the end against the wallabies, so hopefully lesson learnt.
29 Aug 2010, 09:27 am
@Cyperus(Cyperus)-309: Kind of agree with you, although it was the Boks’ defensive ineptitude which produced the initial points gulf.
That said, I cannot remember the last time the Boks scored 4+ against a Tier 1 rugby playing nation.
29 Aug 2010, 09:36 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-324: it was in Perth last year, the only bonus point game in the tri-nations.
29 Aug 2010, 09:38 am
Very happy to have Jon Mitchell and Spencer in SA. They are doing wonders with the Lions.
We should nic a few kiwi administrators to get things running smoothly.
Who is the Boks female medic, she used to be with the Bulls, now she should be on the front page of the Bok magazine. I would keep getting injured too!
29 Aug 2010, 09:41 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-326: God, John Mitchell..I still get the heebie jeebies when i see his name, scary scary weird man…
Still any one would be better than the Boks current coach.
I actually think Deans coaching the Boks would produce an amazing team in just 1-2 years!
29 Aug 2010, 09:43 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-325: Ah – so it was, I guess their poor run of form lately has affected my memory.
29 Aug 2010, 09:44 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-326: Ja she’s a honey isn’t she? My friends and I always comment on her when she attends to someone.
29 Aug 2010, 09:48 am
Deans is something else! Good coach, even Henrys got the Saders tatics.
Its great to see how passionate Spencer is on the side lines. His skills are rubbing off on Elton and Burton, they are showing real class.
Nice to have Plum too. If a entity is good at what it does(Ie Nz rugby) copy it or use the people that made it successful.
South Africa seems to rely on the players developing their own skill sets, ie Vic, and not coaches. Its odd seeing Percy going to France and coming back ten times better.
29 Aug 2010, 09:49 am
329. Esoteric(Esoteric) groin injuries
29 Aug 2010, 09:56 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-330: Percy did come back HEAPS better, he used to be a big girl’s blouse, any of the Island boys from NZ bearing down on him and he would panic his kicks (can’t really blame him, personally) – but when he come back, he was Mr Steel Balls.
And we talk about Kiwi / Boks dirty play, no one has dirty play like France… (Argentina are pretty good at it too..)
29 Aug 2010, 09:57 am
@JohnyBlue(JohnyBlue)-304: Are you trolling or just stupid?
29 Aug 2010, 09:58 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-333: I think the latter.
29 Aug 2010, 10:01 am
333. Muttonbird(Muttonbird) Rhetorical?
29 Aug 2010, 10:19 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-318:
Yep very serious, it is clear in what direction the administrators want the game moved and it is not in support of the traditional Bok kicking game and the rules and interpretations will never again encourage it. They know what the viewers and future players want to see and its the style of Rugby the kiwis play and the aussies try to play, not a fat Francois Steyn putting up midfield bombs or boring drop goals like its soccer.
The Boks won here in a large part due to the heart they got from the crowd, no other home crowd comes close, the aussies just wilted mentally and lost a game they should have closed out with ease.
29 Aug 2010, 10:26 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-335: No. I wouldn’t mind an answer.
29 Aug 2010, 10:26 am
In the cold light of day, after all is said and done and after reading the papers, the win last night could be one of the nails in the coffin of Bok rugby.
That muppet Div, his merry men and fatboy get a reprieve when they should be contemplating their futures this morning.
29 Aug 2010, 10:29 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-338: That is always the ‘problems ‘ with these results….
It papers over the problems.
29 Aug 2010, 10:31 am
336. Dex(Dex) but the stats show the kiwis kick more!
Yep very serious, it is clear in what direction the administrators want the game moved and it is not in support of the traditional Bok kicking game and the rules and interpretations will never again encourage it.
That is a serious accusation saying the game is fixed to favour one team and penalize another. Sounds like you are one of us
29 Aug 2010, 10:33 am
@grant10(grant10)-339: Yep and we know it. I wanted desperately for them to get a hiding but it does show what talent there is in SA, even if it has to play like an invitational XV to get anywhere.
I liked Juan Smith’s try, classic reproduction of the ‘Skinstad Special’ from back when. Same lines, same result, same everything. Another example of Div bringing NOTHING NEW but stealing and living on past glories. Unless Muir brought that one in and the other two bozos didn’t realize it was a lift from the previous regime.
29 Aug 2010, 10:40 am
@KevinRack(KevinRack)-340: Stats are odd buddy. If you have possession for 75 mins you may kick 8 times but the team with it for 5 mins kicks 6 times. Not exactly a true reflection is it.
29 Aug 2010, 10:41 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-341: “Yep and we know it. I wanted desperately for them to get a hiding ”
Bit extreme bru – there’s no doubt that there are serious questions about the Boks but it’s not as if the wheels have fallen off completely (yet?) – we know, they know and I’m sure even the coaching staff know (note how solemn they were in the box despite a good come back win) that there is much to be be done to catch and overtake New Zealand. At least the reality of the situation is being brought home now, a year out from RWC2011.
There is still time to fix it. I think that a conditioning programme to enhance overall fitness as well as some more lessons in defence would go a long way to improving the Boks’ form.
29 Aug 2010, 10:47 am
Yeh but its when and where the Kiwis kick that count, they tend to use it as an adaption ie chip kicks vs rush defences rather than as an actual game plan. I can’t think of any other reason why Francois Steyn would have even attempted those pathetic bombs if it was not drilled into them as part of a game plan rather than keeping the ball in hand. It’s just a shame though really, imagine how exciting the Bok could be with a coach like Henry and how different these results would have been?
Even England is playing the running game and even beating Aussie at home using it, although that might be a reflection on how poor this aussie team is.
29 Aug 2010, 10:48 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-343: Blah blah blah fishpaste. Any fool and his dog can tell you those problems. The fact that the coaches recognise the same errors does not mean anything other than they can actually see.
Problems in that squad go deep. Sorry to say it, and I feel for the players because they play their hearts out, but decisions made at the Presidents’ Council 2 years ago and enforced by Hoskins will be the death of rugby.
I’d personally like to boot them in the head.
29 Aug 2010, 10:50 am
Aussies need to make a call between Giteau and Cooper….at 10…12 the pair seem to offer opposition opportunities….Cooper in particular gives me the impression he dont relish making all the ead ontackles in that channel.Butch may intimidate him ….worth a try Sat….go with Butch there.
29 Aug 2010, 10:56 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-345: “I’d personally like to boot them in the head.”
Think you’d find that being like on the phone to Telkom, “You are number 2157 in the queue – your call is important to us, do not hang up”
I agree with you on where the problems stem from but wishing defeat on them, the okes who are trying their hardest and bleeding for the jersey isn’t the way to go and wouldn’t solve a thing.
Unfortunately we (the supporters) are simply on a ride that’s operated by an out of control maniac
29 Aug 2010, 11:04 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-347: Manics need medicine. Where is bees? 1 cop 1 coach.
29 Aug 2010, 11:05 am
Boks were best team of 2009. Kiwis have not played the side of 2009.
29 Aug 2010, 11:06 am
I was unable to watch the game. Can someone please tell me how Butch went after coming on (was it a sub or a replacement for Steyn/de Villiers?) ?
29 Aug 2010, 11:06 am
@cab(cab)-349: true…..good point.
29 Aug 2010, 11:08 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-350: he was fantastic…..made some telling tackles….
In fact Butch and chilliboy were inspired subs…..had a lot to do with seeing boks through to victory.
29 Aug 2010, 11:08 am
butch replaced M Steyn
29 Aug 2010, 11:09 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-350: Went okay – didn’t commit and fouls, made some decent kicks – would probably give him a 5/10 based on the limited amount of gametime he had.
29 Aug 2010, 11:10 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-350:
didn’t have much to do but get in some touch finders. Difficult to say really…but morne had his best game in some time. Took it flat and people forget quickly that he has a good step and is light on his feet as well as being quite a tough cooky in contact.
29 Aug 2010, 11:13 am
Chilli looked good, after Smit waddled off he made an impact. Either Chilli was out to prove a point or Smit is so ***** Mrs Stephen Fry would look good.
29 Aug 2010, 11:15 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-356:
I was wondering exactly the same thing.
I think chilli is ok as a hooker but not the best we have.
But he made a telling impact at the breakdown.
29 Aug 2010, 11:16 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-356: Would be good to see Chilli make the run on squad in Bloem…
29 Aug 2010, 11:17 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-358: Would be even better to see a hooker there on merit. Any of the 35 ahead of Chilli.
29 Aug 2010, 11:20 am
my team for next week…
15 Aplon
14 JPP
11 B Basson
13 J Fourie
12 JDJongh
10 Butch
9 hougaard
8 kanko
7 J Smith [ captain ]
6 Schalk
5 Hargreaves
4 D Rossow
3 bj
2 chilliboy
1 beast
rest the okes now….
29 Aug 2010, 11:22 am
bench…
16 bissy
17 flip
18 cj
19 dewalt potgieter
20 janusrie
21 jdv
22 f steyn
29 Aug 2010, 11:22 am
@grant10(grant10)-360: Hargreaves in injured.
I thought J Fourie yesterday was guilty of the same thing he’s always been guilty of:
Never passing the ball.
Must say, watching Habana make a meal of it was amusing. Stupid glory boy.
29 Aug 2010, 11:23 am
Thanks guys.
Chilli sounds like he did damn well in his time on. I hope he gets more time next week. Smit is obviously tired and Chilli is good.
I am wondering if it was just because it is Loftus or because a decision was made to bring on Butchie that Steyn raised his game.
I’d start with Butch next week but then I’m a mere armchair observer
29 Aug 2010, 11:24 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-359: Not like Chilli’s been given much of a chance recently…
29 Aug 2010, 11:26 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-362: okay….Hargreaves out is a problem….we are short of quality back up at 5 with A Bekker out….perhaps J Kruger?
29 Aug 2010, 11:26 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-364: And why would that be?
You know, when I was 25, I was the best flyhalf in the world, but no one would let me start for their Super Franchise. I mean I was THE BEST but then no one knew it.
Get my drift.
29 Aug 2010, 11:27 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-364: The decision for him to play Vodacom rugby was deliberate and the best. It gave him game time and eased him back in. He played well against Italy and also against France. I wish he had been given more opportunities on the overseas leg. He is a damn fine hooker; I prefer him to the walking penalty battleship.
29 Aug 2010, 11:27 am
@grant10(grant10)-365: Mate, Ross Skeate. Legend.
29 Aug 2010, 11:28 am
cheers all….till later
outta here
29 Aug 2010, 11:28 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-368: Hahahaha. No way, even if he is from my old school.
29 Aug 2010, 11:28 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-368: ja…
awesome player…
29 Aug 2010, 11:30 am
@grant10(grant10)-369: Totsiens. Give your lab a pat; labs are one of my favourites dogs along with collies.
29 Aug 2010, 11:31 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-370: What school? I know he paints and is a bit fairy but good on a rugby field. Like him.
29 Aug 2010, 11:32 am
@grant10(grant10)-361:
why would flip get dropped to the bench…after playing to great tests?
and if butch is injured…who plays 10?
…and januarie again? Rather the oke from the Lions…or me?
29 Aug 2010, 11:33 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-372: We have loads of collies in Durban, oh sorry I misread
29 Aug 2010, 11:33 am
With 13 minutes to go and having a slight 34 – 31 lead, the Boks were making no headway and it was clear that Morne Steyn was weakening and could not stamp his authority any longer on the game. Fortunately the coach made a well timed change by introducing James who immediately with his big hits and well directed kicks, started to get the Boks in a forward movement which ultimately made them pull through. Morne seems to be a “one trick pony” and displays only pockets of excellence. Maybe De Villiers should have brought James on earlier and moved Morne to the wing in JP’s place. JP is clearly struggling with some kind of injury. Hougaard richly deserves the man of the match award with both Juan and Guthro also playing outstandingly.
29 Aug 2010, 11:33 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-373: Ross is a SACSie. He would have been in Std5 when I was in Matric, according to the most recent Old Boys newsletter’s timeline.
29 Aug 2010, 11:35 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-374: Little scrummie from Griquas is good. So is Charl from the Sharks, so is the Lions scrummie.
Better than Ricky, if needed, I can ask my grandmother.
29 Aug 2010, 11:35 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-367: Perhaps yes but my point is that given Smit’s lack of fitness, he should have perhaps been given another international opportunity earlier?
29 Aug 2010, 11:37 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-377: That explains his pinkness
29 Aug 2010, 11:38 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-379:
It wasn’t neccassary to rest all the senior players ad hoc.
but definately manage them better.
Why wouldn’t they have been the ones to play off the bench for 20 minutes a shot.
Smit and the likes could’ve made telling impacts this season coming on for the final 20 with the form players having started.
29 Aug 2010, 11:38 am
Honestly, a team that is 14 – 0 and 21- 7 up that manages to lose a test match isn’t up to scratch.
Pretty poor. Boks cannot measure themselves against that bunch.
29 Aug 2010, 11:38 am
@kayzeten(kayzeten)-376: “Morne seems to be a “one trick pony” and displays only pockets of excellence.”
Hang on – didn’t he score all 31 points against NZ last year? The most by an individual against NZ in one game (forgive me if I’ve got my stats wrong) but results like that don’t come about by accident.
29 Aug 2010, 11:39 am
If flip, hougaard and de Jong develop into what look to be star players – this bok side could be even more potent than 2009.
1. Beast 2. Bismarck 3. BJ 4. Bakkies 5. Flip 6. Brussow 7. Juan 8. Burger 9. FDP 10. Morne 11. Habana 12. De Jong 13. Fourie 14. JP 15. Frans
16. Guthro 17. Smit 18. CJ 19. Matfield 20. Spies 21. Hougaardt 22. JdV
29 Aug 2010, 11:40 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-381: Good points.
29 Aug 2010, 11:40 am
I must have missed all these “telling” hits by James when he came on.
all I remember seeing him doing is kicking for touch and most of those were run back quickly putting us under even more pressure.
29 Aug 2010, 11:41 am
@kayzeten(kayzeten)-376: Does it make you wonder what might have happened if Butch had got sufficient game time against the All Blacks?
29 Aug 2010, 11:42 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-379: Oh I got your point and was agreeing with you. He should have received more game time overseas.
29 Aug 2010, 11:43 am
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-380: SACS rules
29 Aug 2010, 11:43 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-388: Hahah, ja I reread your post afterwards and understood *slaps forehead*
29 Aug 2010, 11:44 am
I maintain that Butch James is the Mike Catt of Springbok rugby.
A good player who would make a telling contribution in a specific situation….but just not a starter given the other players around.
29 Aug 2010, 11:45 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-383: Except that Steyn looks tired and needs a rest. He played virtually the whole S14 on top of hardly getting in rest whatsoever last year.
Proper rotation is the key. Too many of our top players are losing form, just as Noakes predicted for this year.
29 Aug 2010, 11:46 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-391: Catt was the equivalent of long grass in front of a runaway lawnmower (Lomu).
29 Aug 2010, 11:46 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-389: Beautiful school. Explains why Mr Skeate chooses to live in Morningside where I live instead of JHB by the sea where all the nouveau riche rugby players live (Mt Edgecombe).
29 Aug 2010, 11:48 am
Matfield,Steyn,Steenkamp,Spies,Habana…..
have all played the most games with the least rest.
Smit not far behind but I think his problem is more to do with being jerked around positionally and having put on the kg’s to suddenly have to recondition. Which can’t be possible without time specific gyming and cardio
29 Aug 2010, 11:49 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-392: Agree with you on the form / fitness. NZ have done well in that regard, managed their players well and at the same time have blooded some telling new talent. Bok management need to do the same thing now before it’s too late.
29 Aug 2010, 11:50 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-393:
Catt played 2 huge 20 -30 minute spells in the england 2003 campaign if I remember correctly. his boot proving to be particularly useful when sides were putting jonny underpressure
29 Aug 2010, 11:52 am
My comment is awaiting moderation??? I guess that pasting of web links is frowned upon by Keo and Co?
29 Aug 2010, 11:54 am
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-396:
It’s telling when players like mcacw and reid were played off the park by our boys in superrugby but now look like supermen.
…and I still have huge issue with how mccaw get’s away with not being yellow carded. People say he “reads the ref”….what kak. He concede’s the most penalties in superrugby and tri-nations through the tournaments. Statistically….he reads the game worse than any other player. It’s just that refs don’t send him for the bin regardless of conceding 5 defensive ruck infringements in a row.
29 Aug 2010, 12:05 pm
Right – early morning meeting tomorrow. Goodnight all.
29 Aug 2010, 12:26 pm
habana’s performance was the worst performance by any springbok in rugby history… from a “average hero” to a quota is 3 years .. habana can now be mentioned in the same breath as earl rose and jorrie muller …. Also JDV showed that JDJ has still a far way 2 go. And hougaard pissed in the WP rugby supprters beer – you know, those who wanting january to play, and wished hougaard to fail
29 Aug 2010, 12:28 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-399: I disagree. McCaw is a master at not getting penalized in the same place twice hence drawing the yellow.
Its a skill
You do what you do to win.
alls fair in love and rugby
29 Aug 2010, 12:28 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-394: There is no place but by the sea. In fact, off on holiday in a few hours to the Mediterranean
29 Aug 2010, 12:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-397: Catt was instrumental in the 2003 semi-final.
29 Aug 2010, 12:30 pm
@Esoteric(Esoteric)-398: leave the http and www out and the post goes through. The idiots don’t like weblinks.
29 Aug 2010, 12:39 pm
We played so well to lose last week, that its only fair to play so badly and win this week. Still a harsh article. A win is a win. We turned the corner last week. Habana was a disgrace. Shame the guy needs to be dropped and reconditioned.
29 Aug 2010, 12:41 pm
“Statistically….he reads the game worse than any other player”
I don’t really think he cared all that much about those stats when he positioned himself on the wing to score the equaliser the other day…
Seriously, people need to look at his performance and play in isolation from whom he plays for, he would be the biggest Bok hero and national icon if he was wearing green.
29 Aug 2010, 12:44 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-401: Who wanted Januarie to play? I doubt any rugby people did, maybe a few with quota/race issues did, but anyone with half a brain wants him far far away.
29 Aug 2010, 12:49 pm
@408 a certain : wpw, rossenerri, xhosakid, transformation, mighty hurua and i think grant10 .. but grant isn’t lekker upstairs so we can ignore him
29 Aug 2010, 12:51 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-409: Well except G10 those are all quota bloggers
Planks so big in their eyes they can’t see the wood for the trees.
SmitFit, Januarie, Habana. Shocking decision by the ‘coach’ to have them in the team.
At least Chilli played his heart out. Actually looked good so big up to him even if there are 34 better hookers out there.
29 Aug 2010, 12:56 pm
I see weeks game is in Bloenfontain.
All 3, Tri-Nations Tests at altitude!
You lot are getting desperate.
29 Aug 2010, 12:57 pm
The Boks had a nightmare start, but the way they came back was very good. The most important aspect of their performance was that they started to play as a team again. The pack looked a lot more settled and the loose trio combined better.
Hougaard was the playmaker and it worked well. A major factor was our centre pairing that asked a lot of questions of the Wallaby defence.
We have our core team now to tackle te world cup. The only two players that has huge question marks over them for next year is Habana and Smit.
Next year we’ll have Bismarck, Bakkies, FdP and Brussow back in the mix and then it’s an entirely new ball game.
29 Aug 2010, 13:04 pm
cane another reason is because if the boks play NZ in Cpt then its no longer a home game for the boks..also we play NZ in PE next year, so no excuses for you or mr cheat
29 Aug 2010, 13:06 pm
@Suidkapenaar(Suidkapenaar)-412: To be up 21 – 7 in a test and lose also indicates the immaturity of lack of discipline of the Wallabies as much as it shows how the Boks displayed a level of maturity.
Not sure that test was an indication of anything other than SA is blessed with loads of natural talent that can, on average, beat an average team.
29 Aug 2010, 13:08 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-411: no not really, next year all 2 matches are at sea level with PE hosting their very first 3N match in their magnificent new stadium.
29 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-413: That test in PE leaves a lot of questions unanswered:
Who is paying the R6 million guarantee to SARU?
29 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-415: Magnificent white elephant politically motivated dumbass stadium.
29 Aug 2010, 13:12 pm
Anything less than a completely dominant performance should still have had people asking serious questions of this coach, of this team and of its tactics and gameplan. Instead they barely scrape home against a pathetic aussie team, at home, at altitude and suddenly it’s like they just won the tri-nations and are on track to clean up in the world cup for some people.
29 Aug 2010, 13:17 pm
Habanero is going through his rugby “dark night of the soul”. He seems mentally out of sorts and is struggling with himself, forcing his will instead of allowing things to come to him. He is not relaxed and centred.
He’s like an overwound clock. Heaps of nervous energy, feeling tight, not measuring up, perhaps feeling unconsciously guilty that he gets paid a whack and is not delivering the goods so he pushes harder and thus creates more and more harsh self-criticism, judgment and frustration.
He must understand that it is not a shame to be dropped…it can be a massive blessing in disguise if you keep your ego in check. Correctly ingested humble pie can make one re-invent oneself, reboot and find the joy in one’s passion again. Habanero does not give the impression that he is enjoying himself…the Bok thing for him has become a job with records to break, devoid of the original fire of desire.
He is too much in his head. He has become too infatuated with his own publicity of being the hottest wing in the world and a rock star. The ego can play massive tricks on you as you start to believe that you are that “great”. Meantime your heart is crying for help.
Time for Mvovo or Basson to get that Bok jersey on. Habs needs a break from Bok rugby.
Go and reboot Brian! You are still young and have the talent. Now doennit!
29 Aug 2010, 13:17 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-416: SARU will and I’d rather have the match in PE than Bloem, this weeks match is not going to be a sell out. There is still something like 20000 unsold tickets for the match.
I will not be surprised if Bloem never host a 3N match again. Soccer city will get one 3N every year and the rest will have to compete with PE, Mombela and Polokwane for future matches.
29 Aug 2010, 13:20 pm
man , I see posters like Kevinrack and co. are still crying about refs and conspiracies..
wahhh waaaah.. here, use this tissue to wipe the tears from your eyes, as Ritchie did to Burger because he could see Schalk starting to cry..
face it, the Boks were off the boil this 3Ns, as evidenced by the stunned mullets look on their faces at Eden Park..
cry me a river boys… man up and accept your team has played p1ss poor rugby all season… the real reason, not some Paddy Obrien favouritism..
you guys whinge as much as the poms, and thats saying something..
29 Aug 2010, 13:23 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-417:
Port Elisabeth will soon host a Super-16 Team Goodie.
That’s what all this, “SA is looking to Europe for Alternative Opportunities” Bulllshiit is about.
Posturing and brinkmanship.
And next time……………SA will get their way.
Maybe a goodthing2.
29 Aug 2010, 13:23 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-413: we dont need excuses, we won 3-0 this year… though Ive seen many an excuse from supporters such as yourself..
15+ excuses are common…
29 Aug 2010, 13:25 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-421: Well Henry and the NZRU blamed the ref, infact it is written in their official report – go and look into their archives and you will see it in black and white.
29 Aug 2010, 13:28 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-424: an official INTERNAL report… not a blatant, come out in the media and suggest a team won because the world cup is in their country the following year..
and not a blatant, in the international media “declaration of war” was it?
use both eyes, though I know you usually have both closed because if I was a lions supporter I wouldnt watch much rugby either..
29 Aug 2010, 13:30 pm
@Jinx(Jinx)-419:
Nice post Hi Jinx.
I think a number of the Bokke Veterans need some time out.
Brian’s class is without question.
He just needs to be revitalised and refreshed.
29 Aug 2010, 13:31 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-425: an official report is an official report – what are going to do when Wiki Leaks spills the beans and exposes the real ref bashers?
29 Aug 2010, 13:34 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-425: and PDivvy exonerated for that media statement.
29 Aug 2010, 13:34 pm
@Jinx(Jinx)-419:
Good post.
Could say the same thing about John Smit and Spies as well.
29 Aug 2010, 13:35 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-427: so how do you like the Boks replication of the Lions defensive structures?
that sort of overpowering free run to the tryline isnt going to win a WC…
the real ref bashes? one only needs to visit this blog after the first 4 Bok games in this years 3Ns..
4-0
Aussies threw the game, because it was in your country and they wanted to make sure there were bums on seats for the Bloem game..
29 Aug 2010, 13:36 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-428: exonerated by a Saffa..
lets talk “conspiracy” shall we???????
29 Aug 2010, 13:41 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-428:
The “Declaration of War” was made by Regan Hoskins………………..
Not Krusty the Clown.
29 Aug 2010, 13:49 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-430: what do kiwis know about the kind of rugby needed to win a RWC, I mean rugby has changed so much in 23 years.
If you want to know about how to win a RWC read Jakes book, he will tell you that boring rugby based on solid defence and good kicking is what is needed.
29 Aug 2010, 13:50 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-430:
Yes it is possible the Aussies threw the game.
I also think (the SA runner) Caster Semenya (spelling) threw her race this week as well.
But come the Commonwealth Games final, in Delhi……….she is a certainty.
Unless of course the Boks call her up first.
29 Aug 2010, 13:52 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-432: he too was exonerated, impact miss quoted
29 Aug 2010, 13:55 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-433: the ABs this year have had such a leaky defence, I remember we were down 21-7 to the Aussies after 15 minutes too this year huh? lucky defense wins world cups aye, I wonder if you can tell me what the points for and against is for the Bokke? its their defense this year that has impressed me the most!!
and Jake had such a good record as Bok coach… what was his overall win percentage? 50%? 60%?
wouldnt be higher would it? if thats acceptable for the “best team in the world” then fair enough..
but I guess it is a fair ways up on the 20% win record (being generous) that a lions supporter is used to..
how many S14 games did you guys win again?
29 Aug 2010, 14:00 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-433:
RWC 2011
POOL D:
South Africa
Wales
Fiji
Samoa
Namibia
Lets see now……..SA’s record in NZ, would give Wales a good chance.
Fiji…………..they know they cannot win the WC. But they know they can help their Pacific Brothers…………….NZ.
At least 3 Boks will be stretchered off.
Samoa…………….The Exocets of World Rugby. Good Luck Okes.
Namibia……………..a complete waste of time. A training run would do your Team more good.
RWC 2011……………Welcome to Hell.
29 Aug 2010, 14:02 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-420: Shows how little you know about matters rugby. The Guarantee is paid to SARU by the host Union in exchange for the match. Now if SARU waive the fee or halve the fee for the EC then you are going to have very very angry Unions such as WP, Bulls and Sharks. Also, to host a Test each year at Soccer city isn’t going to happen either as the big 5 need the test matches and SARU needs the Big 5 to pay their R6 million to them for the matches.
You see it’s not all that simple chap, and it’s not all equal in terms of playing fields. The Sharks turnover a bunch of cash from their Season Tickets, meaning that they are able to afford the 6 bar. Same with the other Unions. Where is the EC going to get the cash and, if they are not, then as I said, the other Unions have a right to moan. They still won’t say how much revenue was brought in from the Lions match down there last year, it’s all murky and political and not in the interests of rugby.
29 Aug 2010, 14:05 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-422: We already have a team that scored nought from 13 and we think we can have another one. And if the world was fair Griquas would be asking why they don’t have a Super Franchise ahead of the Lions even… They have their house in order and looking good on and off the field.
The EC is rife with political problems, dodgy deals and missing monies all over the place. Don’t expect much to change at their Super franchise.
29 Aug 2010, 14:07 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-436: next year is the Chinese year of the choke, no need to worry only about the Boks who will be back to full strength just like the AB have all year.
If I were a kiwi I would be worried more about the Frogs and the Poms than the Boks because we all know that what happens between WC’s is just practice – ask Big Hit.
p.s. no need to worry about my Lions Mitch is going a great job – 3 wins on the trot ROAR.
29 Aug 2010, 14:08 pm
On the other hand:
POOL A:
New Zealand
France
Tonga
Canada
Asia 1.
NZ Vs France……….Great workout. Absolutely ideal. Win or lose.
Tonga………….We will embrace our Pacific Brothers before the game. A very poor Haka will be done. We will win. And BOTH Teams will be glad we did.
Canada…………another good workout. Ideal.
Asia 1. …………a chance to put ourselves in the record books. By bettering Our own record already set.
RL……………………………bet on Black……………………………..Keo does.
29 Aug 2010, 14:10 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-440: Dude I wish I saw the world through your rose tinted glasses. This ‘bok’ team couldn’t win a karaoke contest let alone a RWC.
Not the players, they are world class (most of them) but you need a brains’ trust to win a RWC and we don’t have a brain cell between Div, Muir and Gold.
29 Aug 2010, 14:13 pm
My niece just turned 2. She likes going to Clamber Club and watching CeeBeebies. She likes ice cream and she likes to clap her hands.
She also knows more about rugby than Div Muir and Gold.
29 Aug 2010, 14:14 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-440: back to the old choke call… I can see your argument has died…
well done, must really irritate you that a kiwi has turned the lions around.. a kiwi nogal…
ask BH? why, England have never beaten us in a WC… and do you honestly think you are going to get such an easy run to the title? bwahahaha as for France, they are in our pool because we rigged it that way… so they can only knock us out in the final… and seeing as Ireland have had the wood on you guys for a while now, how are you going to get past them in the 1/4 final??
no wonder the lions need outside help, its apparent there arent too many bright people that support or work in that franchise…
29 Aug 2010, 14:16 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-444: I have a feeling the All Blacks would have put 70 against both those teams yesterday, and let in maybe 1 try.
29 Aug 2010, 14:17 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-438: shows how little you know of rugby politics, how did the lose out hosting ‘their’ 3N to Rustenburg?
29 Aug 2010, 14:17 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-446: How do you think…
29 Aug 2010, 14:20 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-445: it was good to see you guys actually running the ball, as we all know you are more then capable (the S14 a prime example), defense has to be a real worry though…
they start like that in a WC game and it will be so much harder to come back..
have to credit them for doing exactly that though…
29 Aug 2010, 14:21 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-448: Shows how poor the Wallabies are though to throw it away. England and the Abs won’t do that.
29 Aug 2010, 14:22 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-448: At present Abs look good but we know they always do a year out… the pressure though is different this time… if the Abs don’t win next year, at home, I don’t know if there will be any kiwis left alive to drive me to the airport
29 Aug 2010, 14:23 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-447: you tell me as that Rustenburg test was supposedly a Sharks match.
29 Aug 2010, 14:24 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-449: just shows it doesnt matter what team, if you are even 1% of your game, be it intensity, cohesion etc it is awfully hard to win a game… even at 100% it is still difficult, and shows how little there is between all sides..
thats why a one off game in a WC is never a guarantee..
29 Aug 2010, 14:27 pm
It’s hard to believe that some are panning this game. What did they want to see?
This was a brilliant game of rugby and played in a best of spirits with both sides coming to the party, desperate to score tries & succeeding beyond anyone’s expectations.
When rugby is played with such speed and intensity there are going to be missed tackles and poor defense at times. These are people on the field, not bots! I would rather see a defense un-zipped by skilled runners than the boring kick and bash that we have had to endure for so long.
This type of rugby will attract many more people and sponsors alike to the game thereby helping it to become a truly world wide sport.
29 Aug 2010, 14:27 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-451: Fairly simple, Sharks were shafted by SARU.
Feel for the Bulls too though, lost revenue from S14 semi and finals being held away due to soccer.
These new stadia and the politics that comes with it is going to be a huge headache for rugby.
29 Aug 2010, 14:28 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-453: I’d rather watch a test match than a 20/20.
29 Aug 2010, 14:28 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-435:
Who are you Phuckers gunna exonerate next.
Hansie?
Pieter Van Zyl?
Johan Roux?
The Wiffy swiper Percy?
The Gougers, Bakkies, Bismark and Burger?
The Killer Tromp?
The Bully Boy Bees?
The Coke fiend Wanneberg?
The Child Molester Jappie?
The 17 Referee’s who robbed International Teams of “fair Play” before Neutrals were appointed?
Dannie Craven, for waiting 50 years, before acknowledging the existence of Black and Coloured Rugby Players?
Forgiveness it is a Grand thing.
Exoneration even Grander.
Send in the Clowns………..
29 Aug 2010, 14:30 pm
Inevitable(Inevitable) Ahem Brother
29 Aug 2010, 14:31 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-456: you forgot to mention Caster Semenye, he is a woman … exonerated.
29 Aug 2010, 14:32 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-456: Fair goes, I think Hansie was the best Captain the world ever saw. You have to be fairly good to be paid to lose when everyone thinks you will win.
Imagine bribing the Boks to lose ha ha ha
29 Aug 2010, 14:35 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-450:
I’ll get you to the Airport Goodie.
It will not be a pleasant drive,
But I’ll get you there alive.
29 Aug 2010, 14:37 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-460: Nice one, where do you live, Wellington?
29 Aug 2010, 14:45 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-453:
The match yesterday was surreal. I had to scratch my head as to what to expect next. It was just error laden. The Boks were I think told, just play what’s in front of you and it showed. It just lacked structure.
Hope it’s not like that next week. The Aussies now know these Boks are there for the taking. They’ve already done it once this 3N.
29 Aug 2010, 14:47 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-458:
Caster is a unique case. (I think).
But she is headed for more heartbreak than any Human Being can cope with. (or deserves).
Only ridicule, insult and pain lie ahead.
Those that advise her?
&
Those that Love her?
Two different Camps I think.
29 Aug 2010, 14:48 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-462: Be fair, Juan Smith’s try was a planned move, they got it from Bobby Skinstad’s try at Newlands in about 2004. They nicked an old move, can’t even come up with new ones themselves.
29 Aug 2010, 14:50 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-459:
lol.
Yes we loved Hansie.
But Hansie loved Money.
Not Us.
29 Aug 2010, 14:53 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-463: A friend of mine manages athletes and also used to run internationally himself. He said Caster is one of the biggest biatches on the circuit. He said she always has been since school apparently.
Wonder if it’s because of the ridicule or people ridicule her (within the sport) because she is mean.
Either way, apparently Blanka Vlasic is so far up her own bottom she talks out her bum
29 Aug 2010, 14:53 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-461:
Lower Hutt.
Close enough to an International Airport to get you OUT, when the ****-hits-the-fan.
29 Aug 2010, 14:54 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-465: He was just another Born Again not living up to his preaching. Seems all too familiar a story. Is NZ as full of happy clappers as SA?
29 Aug 2010, 14:56 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-467: Ah Lower Hutt, my dad’s old hunting ground. He was at Petone with Andy Leslie.
29 Aug 2010, 14:59 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-464:
Juan’s running lines were perfect and the handoff as well. But assisted by Hougaard who did well to put him away.
Could Ricky have played his part in such a move? Two steps to pick up the ball, have a good look around to see where everyone is standing, waddle flat out and then trip over his boot laces.
Are you sure you Sharks don’t want him so that we can keep Hoffman?
29 Aug 2010, 15:01 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-470: The only reason we would want Ricky is to stop him playing, for the good of humanity. Buy him, drop him and send him to Club Rugby, Jaguars I think. They’ll klap him for not performing and drop him too.
29 Aug 2010, 15:03 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-470: Do you want Monty Dumond?
29 Aug 2010, 15:06 pm
Best rugby the Boks played all year so far and even John Smit a lot meaner and leaner than he looked all 8 tests before this one. He knew public outcry was homing in on his lack of conditioning and he’s done something about it. Same with Steyn, Spies etc. they all attacked advantage line hard and flat and with mening and it showed, only pity was when they were couple meters out in more than couple occasions they opted for biff bash glory boy antics instead of spreading it wide which would have resulted in at least couple more tries instead of that Aussie Beale O’Connor breakout which almost resulted in Aussie try at other end if Hougard hadn’t accounted for Ashly- Cooper when it counted.
29 Aug 2010, 15:07 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-472:
In exchange for Willem de Waal.
I’d be happy with Peter Grant and Lionel Cronje.
29 Aug 2010, 15:10 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-471:
There is a precedent.
The Lions have done that to Earle Rose. I like your thinking.
29 Aug 2010, 15:10 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-474: Actually tell you what. You can send Ricky, Willem etc etc to us as long as you take SMIT
29 Aug 2010, 15:13 pm
Hougaard still way too slow clearing ball from behind ruck organizing and gesticulating with arms thisaway and that. If were AB’s they would have driven right over him while he’s busy directing traffic instead of clearing ball out at pace. Otherwise ball in hand he’s way better prospect than FdP who if comes back should sit on bench, we don’t wanna regress all the way back to dumb schmuck kick n chase same as we done in Ireland or France or other 4 tests we lost this year playing archaic dismal JW style trash..
29 Aug 2010, 15:16 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-476:
No thanks. He’s past his sell-by date.
Maybe as the conditioning coach.
29 Aug 2010, 15:20 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-477:
Skop, I think Hougaard had a decent game against the AB’s. He kept them busy and wanted to play. I think he even energised some of the older Boks in last week’s game and yesterday as well.
And it’s been a while since his started as scrummie, even at S14. He now knows what it takes to play at this level.
29 Aug 2010, 15:26 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-454: yeah right, the blue bulls got THEIR stadium upgraded for millions at the taxpayers’ expense and you think they got shafted
hahaha
29 Aug 2010, 15:29 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-469:
Andy is one of the most respected AB Capt’s of all time (well in Petone anyway).
President of the New Zealand Rugby Football Union.
Member of the New Zealand Order of Merit.
Your Dad kept fine company.
29 Aug 2010, 15:39 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-481: Yeah he did. They were good mates. Came to stay at our house in Durban during the last tour in the 70s.
Good guy all around.
@Transformation(Transformation)-480: Put it this way, if someone came to your house and forced you to leave for months while they added on a room you don’t need and made you pay to live somewhere else while doing it, how chuffed would you be?
Same is applicable to the Bulls.
29 Aug 2010, 15:40 pm
@Panzer Chief(cane)-481: Cane I read that Sunny Bill will play for the Saders next year – don’t you kiwis ever learn? Henry is going to stuff his centre selections again. Stick with Smith, Nonu, McAlistser and the dragon Kahui.
29 Aug 2010, 15:42 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-479: Good point, I thought he played well considering. And good on him but – why pick him in the first place when there are actual scrummies all over SA who actually play there. Another halfarsed decision by the Brains trust. Anyone though, is better than Januarie.
29 Aug 2010, 15:45 pm
Bully boy faithful are pathetic, shows exactly where their underlying laager type sentiments lie. They turn up en masse to watch Brekers almost go down to Leopards on a Friday evening booze up, but when Boks pull into town stadium remains half empty. Petty prolific provincialism at its pitiful worst showing exactly why some rugby renegades destined for the scrap heap along with the likes of Beestie boy Roux.
29 Aug 2010, 15:51 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-485: After their awful showings in previous weeks they should count themselves lucky anyone pitched up. If it wasn’t Big Vics 100th would have been emptier.
29 Aug 2010, 15:56 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-482: nobody was forced, in 2000-2004 when the world cup bid organisers approached the blue bulls company for the use of the stadium, the bulls were a kak team that never made the semis and had an outdated stadium. In their wisdom they saw a win-win situation. You on the other hand are looking for negatives where there are none! The blue bulls didn’t know when they signed up with the world cup LOC that they would be hosting a semi & final in 2010. Stop being myopic!
29 Aug 2010, 15:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-487: Dude, ask them yourself. Not gonna argue, pointless, as I have discovered many times. Myopic is dead right. Touche buddy.
29 Aug 2010, 15:59 pm
So Joost is into men it seems. How interesting. Nothing wrong with being bent if that floats your boat but his Pastor isn’t going to like it.
Dodgy s.ex with hookers and drugs is one thing, but touching a man stick, that isn’t on.
29 Aug 2010, 16:07 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-488: yep, go ahead and talk about lite stuff you know of…the blue bulls weren’t forced to leave their stadium, period!
29 Aug 2010, 16:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-490: Dude it doesn’t matter, they lost money but it’s not a SARU thing it’s an LOC thing. Not having a go at rugby administrators, they do enough damage to themselves at the best of times.
Looking forward to seeing what Oregan and co try to do to get the Sharks to move cos that isn’t going to happen.
29 Aug 2010, 16:18 pm
Lol hansie throwing games, Bladdy madness.
29 Aug 2010, 16:32 pm
At first glance our world cup pool looks pretty tough, but maybe it’s a good thing, all of those games bar perhaps Namibia could be tricky and even our Namibian cousins will no doubt make a special effort against the boks. Will be doing well to get into knockout stages with a minimum of injuries
29 Aug 2010, 16:36 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-491: SA football in disarray
Johannesburg – The economic model of
football in South Africa is totally wrong and
needs to be overhauled or radically
changed otherwise the game in a country
that has earned worldwide respect for
successfully staging a near perfect FIFA
World Cup will never develop or blossom to
its full potential.
This chilling warning was issued by the
South African Football Association CEO Leslie
Sedibe two days after both cricket and
rugby authorities made presentations to
Parliament warning that all those iconic
World Cup stadiums are in danger of
turning into white elephants because they
were not consulted when the stadiums
were constructed.
And as the debate about how to make the
newly built soccer stadiums more
profitable and even more accessible to local
clubs for use in their domestic matches,
Sedibe painted a gloomy picture which he
said unless the basic needs of football were
aggressively addressed in this country, the
game will never develop.
“Our teams charge their patrons R20 for
domestic matches,” said Sedibe. “But they
have to pay the cost of manufacturing the
tickets, pay an additional fee to the outlet
selling those tickets, pay for the security
personnel in charge at the stadiums, and
pay the company that cleans the ground
afterwards.
“By the end of the day, a team is left with
less than R5 out of the entry fee they
charged their patrons. Now tell me, how is
Moroka Swallows for instance, going to
survive in a situation like that? And how is
football expected to grow under such
circumstances when the economic model
of football is so totally wrong?”
This week, SA Rugby Union president
Oregan Hoskins told members of
parliament in Cape Town that there had
been no discussions between Durban City
officials and rugby representatives before
the $400 million 70 000-capacity Moses
Mabhida Stadium was built, and now it did
not have enough suites to accommodate
the local Sharks rugby team’s suite holders.
Cricket South Africa Chief Executive Gerald
Majola also informed the same
Parliamentary sitting that the pitches at all
the stadiums that were built for the FIFA
World Cup soccer were too small to host
cricket games and blamed this on the
failure of cities to consult cricket authorities
before construction commenced.
Hoskins said in 2007 before the new
stadiums were built, he wrote to the
minister of sport and revealed that he
foresaw major problems coming and asked
for the intervention of the ministry.
“Unfortunately, we were all taken up by the
soccer World Cup and in the hype we
forgot we should have been talking to each
other.”
However, Sedibe said historically, football
has never been helped to grow as much as
both rugby and cricket have been helped
by authorities. In addition, he asked how
much the Blue Bulls, Cheetahs, Sharks and
Western Province have paid to lease Loftus,
Vodacom Park, and Kings Park and
Newlands rugby stadiums?
“The residents of Loftus are the Blue bulls,”
said Sedibe matter of factly. “Give me the
name of one club that owns a stadium or
have a long standing lease that will enable
them to generate funds to help them run
their business profitably. The simple truth
is that none of our clubs have facilities they
call their own.
“And while rugby and cricket are deemed
profitable sporting codes, the reality is that
they are able to utilize their home grounds
to generate as much funds as they possibly
can but soccer has always been the poor
cousins of both rugby and cricket, begging
for lodgings everyday. ”
Sedibe explained that what pains him even
more was the fact that tax payers money
was used to build both rugby and cricket
stadiums. And even when the country was
preparing to stage the FIFA world cup,
again tax payer ’s money was used to
refurbish the same rugby stadiums so that
they should meet FIFA requirements.
“And tragically, the owners of the rugby
stadiums have sold suite tickets to their
customers for all events that are staged at
their venues. And that is why, because we
have no control over the situation, you
always find this empty white belt of shame
because the real suite holders don ’t bother
to attend our events except when it’s
rugby.”
Sedibe acknowledged that both rugby and
cricket officials claim this week that they
were not consulted when the World Cup
soccer stadiums were constructed.
However, the firebrand SAFA CEO asked if
anyone has ever bothered to consult
football stakeholders when facilities in this
country were built?
“Go to any primary or high school in any
suburb across the country,” said Sedibe.
“And 99 out of 100 you will find a well kept
cricket oval or rugby field as well as an
athletic track. But go to any school in the
township and you will either find a shack
or an overgrown shrub instead of a
recreational facility.
“When will our children ever get a fair
opportunity to compete against kids who
practice every day on well manicured
pitches when they grow up running on
uneven, gravel patches of grounds that are
full of stones ?” said a clearly agitated
Sedibe.
Sedibe conceded to the parliamentary
committee that football faced a major
challenge in this country to keep the
stadiums in use and profitable – largely due
to traditionally low ticket prices charged at
local matches and the high cost of running
the world class arenas where they are not
even tenants.
“Assuming our teams find the charges at
Soccer City ridiculous and they run to
another venue, ” explains Sedibe. “The
problem here is that they discover to their
horror that the same person in charge of
Soccer City where they are running from
the costs they cannot afford, is also in
charge of Dobsonville, Rand Stadium and
Orlando and so they cannot win.
“How then, is football expected to perform
when the economic model is so flawed?”
To be brutally frank, our football clubs are
homeless in a country that has built
stadiums that have been hailed as world
class.
“Show me any facility in this country that is
owned by any of our football clubs?”
challenged Sedibe. Sedibe is of the view
that they need to engage government and
come up with plans that will be conducive
for football to grow. The situation cannot
go on where people complain that Safa is
doing nothing to develop football when the
right structures are not conducive tom
producing well balanced footballers.
“Perhaps we need to look at a situation
where the govt must intervene and
study a situation where schools in the
southern suburbs cannot share their
facilities with those that have no facilities
at all from nearby areas like Soweto or
surrounding areas, ” hinted Sedibe.
29 Aug 2010, 16:44 pm
I dunno what they going to do with all those state of the art stadiums, did they really need that many in the first place?
29 Aug 2010, 16:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-494: Interesting reading. Where did the money from the World Cup go then? LOC pockets obviously.
They need stadia I am sure but I am also sure they don’t want the stadia that have been built for the same reason the Sharks don’t want Moses.
Costs too much to run, too far from the seating, not enough boxes. With 20 000 season ticket sales yearly and large fanbase and substantially raised prices for walk in tickets at rugby, if the Sharks can’t make it work, how can soccer?
Unfortunately Soccer, like rugby, is a professional sport and therefore I don’t feel the need to keep the players and managers in 4x4s any more than I would for a rugby player. What to do?
Government has made a mess here and no doubt we will end up paying but how can we make it work, for all? Moses Mabidha is the worst of all in terms of a glaring white elephant slap bang in town. Makes me want to vomit on it each day when I see it. Disgusting waste of money.
And Durban wants the Olympics in 2020, another expensive event no one makes money from. Logic in SA is flawed.
Maybe 2 soccer teams need to play at Moses, maybe they must get super clever with other eventing, who knows. Greenpoint has no parking, which is actually fine for soccer supporters I guess, but same problems too. Difference is Newlands maybe the home of rugby, but it is fairly inappropriate in terms of location.
Who knows, a mess.
29 Aug 2010, 16:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-494:
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-491:
And while we’re on this subject, here’s an article from the Sunday Times.
Underused World Cup stadiums could significantly boost the South African Rugby Union’s (Saru) coffers – but the four big provincial unions are likely to veto a move away from their facilities.
Saru will argue next month, in a yet-to-be-drafted document they will present at a chief executives’ meeting, that they retain hosting rights to high-profile Tests and are not obliged to sell them to provincial unions as is the current practice.
This, they say, will enable them to divide profits from Tests equally among the 14 provincial affiliates. They hope that, in the long run, this will help bridge the gap between rich and poor unions.
Saru intend hosting Tri-Nations matches and other Tests at World Cup venues in Soweto, Cape Town and Durban.
But the four big unions – Western Province, the Blue Bulls, the Sharks and the Golden Lions – have expressed reservations about adopting a model that will preclude them from hosting Tests and harvesting the potential profits.
Saru will have to amend their constitution to push through the move – for which they need the support of 75% – that is, 10 – of their provincial affiliates. The constitution dictates that individual unions have to agree to all Tests played within their geographical borders.
The vote of the medium-sized Free State Rugby Union is therefore crucial to the outcome.
“If we are guaranteed R3-million or R4-million for Tests every year and get to host one of the smaller ones every second year or so, we’re in,” said Free State Rugby Union chief executive Harold Verster.
But Theuns Roodman, WP Rugby Football Union’s chief executive, holds a different view.
He said: “The provincial unions have the expertise to host Tests and I doubt Saru do. I can’t see how WP will support a proposal like that.”
He added that WP were still in discussions with the operators of the Cape Town Stadium about becoming a full-time tenant. “There are issues such as the limited number of suites at the Cape Town Stadium. They have 110 and Newlands has 350.”
Golden Lions chief executive Manie Reyneke was equally lukewarm about the Saru proposal. “I doubt we would support it. Tests are the lifeblood of the unions. To take it away would have serious implications.”
The Lions successfully staged last weekend’s Test in Soweto but Reyneke cautioned that no lasting conclusions should be drawn from that.
The Lions, too, are considering an offer to move from their traditional base to Soweto but Reyneke said before a decision is reached they would have to conclude talks with an equity partner.
29 Aug 2010, 16:52 pm
@cab(cab)-495: No they didn’t. They won the pitch using examples of refurbishing existing stadia. I even saw the plans for upgrading Kings Park that were included. Somewhere it all went bonkers.
No need for them at all, no need for stadiums in the middle of nowhere either.
Madness.
29 Aug 2010, 16:56 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-245: The RWC was never meant to recognise international rugby team achievements outside of the Tournament. In that context your best team tag is deserved.
The Wallabies problems are more complicated than you think. Unlike South Africa with a bevvy of players to choose from and a relatively limited rugby code to compete with. Australians enjoy NRL Rugby League and Super League in Europe and AFL Aussie rules. Their player stocks deminish with the financial influence on players from other codes who poach juniors and attract school boy talent. Its not the Coaches problem to stem the tide or to attract new players, its the ARU’s. NZ and SA dont have that problem.
29 Aug 2010, 16:57 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-496: Well that will kill rugby properly.
Sharks won’t fold but no doubt the soft yes men in other regions will, like they did when they appointed the coach.
You can only live on dreams for so long until you realise you are hungry.
Bottom line: If Sharks don’t host test match then Season Ticket prices will come down. Sharks won’t have to pay R6 million out. Durban people won’t go to watch rugby next door, the sight lines are an average of 86m which is mental.
If I don’t get to see a test in Durban then so be it. I’ll watch the Sharks and watch the test on tv, if we are any good.
29 Aug 2010, 17:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-494: Sounds like the government departments
29 Aug 2010, 17:07 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-498:
At Soccer City during the SWC, I mentally drew out the plans for a rugby field and came to conclusion that the dead ball area would be minute. And that’s exactly want transpired as per last week’s test.
And were the cricket authorities consulted? Weren’t we all talking or thinking about multi-purpose stadiums post SWC?
I’ve for a while maintained that project management is a fantastic qualification with plenty of employment opportunities. Building a stadium means taking a 30 year view or more with running costs, revenue streams built in.
A real mess.
What do you do with Newlands or Kings Park – another shopping mall for ffs or a parkade.
Yeah, goodthing, enough to make you puke.
29 Aug 2010, 17:07 pm
And Harold from Freestate needs a solid runningfuckslap.
29 Aug 2010, 17:07 pm
gyg2
going to be ghost stadiums, dunno what the cost of a modern stadium is but seems crazy
29 Aug 2010, 17:09 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-502: Moses has miles and miles of space, they could play 2 tests at the same time on that pitch.
Makes for no atmosphere, you can’t see the ball and rugby, unlike soccer is a sport where you need to be close to know what is going on.
29 Aug 2010, 17:11 pm
One thing tho that huge bugger where they played the test last week was an astounding atmosphere, made loftus seem like a popgun, I wonder if any rugby test has seen a crowd of 94,000?
29 Aug 2010, 17:13 pm
@cab(cab)-493:
That’s why we need a core of yougsters now with test match experience.
Rest the older guys next Saturday. We want to avoid a situation like in 2007 in the match against Tonga. The reserves bench was emptied at half-time with all the experienced guys coming on. And we had to hang on for dear life.
I don’t want to go through that again. That’s why I say give the younsters 3N experience now and rest the older Boks in Bloem.
It’ll stand us in good stead in the long run.
29 Aug 2010, 17:14 pm
@cab(cab)-504: Costs are going to be in excess of 3 million a month I believe. Why would you pay that when your own stadium is free?
Plus, SARU don’t run match days so they may take the profit, but by the time they have outsourced everything it will be a mess. Drinks, catering, suites that are shells, etc etc. Are they going to transport a crew from venue to venue or are they going to emply a full time crew at the new stadiums or what. Who will clean up, who will do security, who will do ticket sales, who will organise safety security, etc etc.
Sounds like another recipe for disaster. SARU are a bunch of muppets.
29 Aug 2010, 17:16 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-507: Actually mate, I’d quite prefer the younger guys to carry on playing for their provinces.
This Bok team is going to get worse, keep the CCup exciting.
29 Aug 2010, 17:22 pm
Stormer
yeah, I have no problem with resting the players for next week, except I don’t think the coaches will cos they don’t like to lose at home, we still don’t even know if they will actually rest anywhere on the eoy grandslam tour – however if they don’t rest these players I think we can kiss rwc2011 goodbye – these older okes need a long rest. And yes you are right if a few of the younger okes put their hands up, it’s only going to make squad and depth stronger.
gyg2
sounds like madness hopefully costs were factored into account of rwc profits, otherwise seems huge money drain – should have spent on housing and hospitals and education rather, but perhaps world cup needed all the stadia and profits covered them.
29 Aug 2010, 17:30 pm
@cab(cab)-506: Abs vs Aussie has had 100 thousand people..
at the MCG.. might even be 110000..
29 Aug 2010, 17:37 pm
Pops
Oh yes the mcg is used, they still play rugby tests there?
PS: I think the Bokkies going go make you okes cry big tears next year.
29 Aug 2010, 17:37 pm
we can do what south korea did after the 2002 world cup in their country, and demolish the stadiums
29 Aug 2010, 17:43 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-511:
The game played in heaven. At Stadium Australia. In front of 110,000 and 2 billion watching world wide.
NZ up 24 – 0 after 10 minutes.
Half time 24 – 24.
NZ won 39 – 34.
From Andre Watson’s book who happened to ref that game.
29 Aug 2010, 17:43 pm
This has got to be the crappest article i’ve read on Keo for a long long time. There are a lot of things that go into making a succesful rugby team including the balance, confidence and skills in the team. Once that balance is destroyed for any number of reasons teams can go on a poor run as we saw what happened to the AB’s and the Ozzies when they had their injuries.
So what happens in SA is that we start our 3N’s on the road, get the logistics wrong by flying our players in on different flights just after a gruelling super14 final, filled with injuries to the squad, have 2 players Yellow carded and lose badly. The 2nd and 3rd tests also get disrupted due to yellow cards and suspensions and the balance in the team goes out the back door as does the confidence.
We come back to SA and after some rest put in a better performance but we are still lacking some combinations, Midfield, scrumhalf/flyhalf is new, back 3 is a new combo and the flyhalf has no kicking back up. What happens is that we put in a brilliant effort for 77 minutes , make 1 or 2 wrong decisions against a brilliant AB team on the day and we lose.
Then its onto the Ozzies and we see the side go behind by 2 tries after 4 minutes and they don’t panick but claw their way back to him. What does it for them is the confidence they have in each other and the combinations. Morne is free from the encunberance of being the only kicker in the side, and he also has an established midfield combination on his outside. Hougaard feeds off Mornes confidence and that impacts on the rest of the team. The tight five start to fire in the lineouts and after scoring the first from the 2nd or 3rd move from a set piece the confidence in the scrums is there.
Don’t forget we are playing a side that dominated possession against the AB’s in New Zealand but without their playmaker in Cooper couldn’ convert to points and they also beat us in Oz. So instead of looking at what this team has achieved on the day there is talk of cracks in the squad etc. I tell you I’m tired of the one dimensional thinking that comes into the writing here. The perspective that is shown is always from a point of view of wanting to criticise 1 or 2 players rather than reviewing what it is that is missing from the team dynamic and plan and the resources available. PDV and his team have had to experiment and some of it hasn’t come off but anybody who has played in a rugby team knows that there are certain combinations that when they are settled and confident in each other can make a team fire. Conversely when you have to make more than 1 or 2 changes it can dramatically affect the performance
Give credit where it is due. That was a good and dynamic Oz team with ball in hand that was beaten with 4 well worked tries.
29 Aug 2010, 17:45 pm
That’s pretty interesting trannie, wonder if sa don’t do the same
all I know is our kiwi brethrren on here are going to be crying rivers of tears in nz, we will have to setup a hotline on keo or something. Cap’n fanny will be rarer then that smelly parot they have on the south island
29 Aug 2010, 17:50 pm
@cab(cab)-512: yeah they still play them there, like in NZ and SA stadia have turns to host tests… last 3Ns is in Sydney, trying to organise a few people to get along to the game…
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-514: I remember that game vividly, as you can imagine at frac12; time I wasnt too happy..
29 Aug 2010, 17:50 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-517: eish.. should be 1/2 time..
29 Aug 2010, 17:53 pm
½
29 Aug 2010, 17:56 pm
Cane will take the loss in his stride with a congratulations and a few mutterings over bakkies
NZINCHINA will mutter his discontents but probably
Hurricane will blame the ref and commisioned a four thosand page dossier
Poppa will blame the ref and commision a 6000 page dossier and an execution of the coach
Cap’n Fanny will strut around like a prize bantamcock all thru the tournament unt the Abs get knocked out when he will go into hibernation for 2 years
ricane – will argue he was right about henry’s flaws all along and continue to bemoan the loss of deans
black panther – will either slit his wrists or have to cop bowl after bowl after humble **** pie
29 Aug 2010, 17:57 pm
@cab(cab)-520: that bowl after bowl of humble pie, seems it has been well baked in SA this year, lots of people with pie ALL over their faces..
29 Aug 2010, 17:58 pm
And AiDoc will howl at the moon and blame the English or kaplan
29 Aug 2010, 18:08 pm
521 Popps yip strange that, oh well, always good to get the ABs confidence up a year out.
Forgot Stodders – who will look for excuses as to why the ABs are actually better than the Boks despite being soundly beaten, and continue to mantain he is a proud Scotsman despite dressing in black for every game
29 Aug 2010, 18:12 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-497: This is madness. The Lions probably made 40 million from hosting a test match at soccer city before deductions, more double what the FS can make at their stadium and now the clowns at SARU wants to get their grubby fingers on more cash – their excuse share the love between all 14 unions.
Never, screw the small guys and screw Vester and the FS if they agree to this socialist bullcrap.
29 Aug 2010, 18:14 pm
@cab(cab)-523: indeed, because SA have stopped the ABs in the last 3 WCs havent they?
oh hang on..
29 Aug 2010, 18:16 pm
@cab(cab)-523: keep crying Cab, its such a great look
3-0 doot doot doodle oodle oot doot do do
hows that humble pie tasting Cab? a full 3 servings full too… must be hard to swallow huh?
29 Aug 2010, 18:22 pm
Popps yip, but we actually had you at 4-0 and that’s not including the baabaas, which is a tentative 5-zipper. I’m glad the ABs have recovered some ballast, it’s not pretty to see a sinkiing AB ship, but am afraid when it comes to the big occasions we both know how the Bokke step up.
29 Aug 2010, 18:25 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-524:
It is madness. The Big 4 need to stand together and bring Verster into the fold. Majority vote in SA Rugby scares me. It’s like the tail wagging the dog.
But then again tickets for Saturday’s test in Bloem are moving slowly.
The guys in Bloem need to put their hands in their pockets if they want regular tests there.
29 Aug 2010, 18:27 pm
@cab(cab)-527: still clinging to that baabaas game Cab? a non-test, exhibition match you claim as a SA win? bwahahaha
4-0? how Cab, including one game from the previous year is it? was that the game AFTER Newlands when the 3Ns was already won in 08? yep, you guys sure step up in the big games.. like the BIG occassion at soccer city?
desperation indeed…
29 Aug 2010, 18:31 pm
Was at the game again thought we made lostsa mistakes but won ugly which is all we wanted to do after throwing the game last week which we should have won. Must say I have really enjoyed this rugby trip back to SA and really enjoyed the Sa rugby fans we really know how to have a great jol around rugby
29 Aug 2010, 18:32 pm
@cab(cab)-527:
3 weeks to prepare
the captains 100th test match
the advantage of altitude
90000 rabid fans, who left disappointed by the way… never have I seen such a big crowd silenced so easily
yep
you phuckers sure STEP up for the big games..
29 Aug 2010, 18:32 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-524: @I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-528:
Hi guys, I don’t think it’s such a bad idea. The smaller unions aare mostly bankrupt and need the money to keep the game alive in their areas. Why should the major provinces cream the money from the Tests, as well?
29 Aug 2010, 18:33 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-503: Harold Verster – the free state’s biggest weakness.
Moet BAIE hard ge-DONNER word.
29 Aug 2010, 18:38 pm
531 Popps
yeah but how lucky were you? A breakaway try and an illegal try in the space of 5 mins, but do you see the bokke commissioning 2000 page reports. Nope, you boys can learn something from such humility, cowboys don’t cry.
29 Aug 2010, 18:41 pm
@cab(cab)-534: humility..
right, I forgot..
“4-0″
“SA should only play the CC until AB rugby is good enough again”
“NZ rugby is k@k”
“its good they won, they have a WC here next year and maybe it will help them sell seats”
“a declaration of war”
humility indeed, its just them damn conspiracies that keep popping up…
crying about a forward pass Cab, now imagine its a WC 1/4 final..
I see SA has a new lead clown, take a bow Pogliaci
hey, at least in the BIG ganes against Fiji, you did indeed stand up… be proud!
29 Aug 2010, 18:42 pm
Actually the Great One might have decided to throw the games against nz cos he is thinking of the bigger picture – lose the battle but win the war – like Sun Tzu or something.
Brilliant.
29 Aug 2010, 18:44 pm
@cab(cab)-534: thats funny cab, cowboys dont cry..
could have fooled me, thats all youve done in your posts today brokeback..
cowboys just go aan and aan about conspiracies, and even get the head of their union to show humility when levelling accusations…
keep crying brokeback…
29 Aug 2010, 18:57 pm
@David(David)-532:
Hi David.
The bigger stadiums obviously generate the revenue which SARU ensures the smaller unions obtain a part.
But now they want to start dishing it out before the money has been made.
The WPRU own Newlands outright so they will have to recompensed.
And I know the smaller unions want their pound of flesh particularly when they become feeder unions for the major franchises.
But I have a problemm when tickets are moving slowly in Bloem and they still want/demand tests on an annual basis.
29 Aug 2010, 19:03 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-538:
If you read Versters comment, he said that he’d be happy to take the extra cash and just host a second level test match a year.
29 Aug 2010, 19:11 pm
What a goal from Messi – the is too much quality stuff on tv. Live matches from La Liga, Bundes Liga, FA premier league, Frog rugga, Pom rugga and of course the Currie Cup. My eyes are sore from all of this sport.
29 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-540: that was awesome, the quality of the – defence splitting pass – from andres iniesta!!!
29 Aug 2010, 19:13 pm
@David(David)-539: Mighty Whites 6, Yellow Belly Canaries 7′th. Same goal diffs. But we are more handsome I fink.
29 Aug 2010, 19:16 pm
@David(David)-539:
I understand that but the bigger unions are the lifeblood of SA rugby and hence have bigger overheads.
And then SARU will have to ensure that they have the expertise to host a rugby test.
As things stand in the administration, i don’t think they could organise a piss-up in a brewery.
And the ultimate irony is that it is about a yet-to-be-drafted document.
Hopefully sanity will prevail.
29 Aug 2010, 19:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-541: indeed awesome stuff form the world champions.
29 Aug 2010, 19:52 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-538: They creating a mess. A large mess. They forget where they get their Springboks from… the bigger Unions might suddenly play their Boks instead of resting them… make life very difficult for the Boks. Losing millions as happened to the Sharks this year isn’t healthy.
SARU have their heads up their as$ses
29 Aug 2010, 20:00 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-545:
The analogy that comes to mind for me is the European Union financial crisis.
Why should the German taxpayers fork out for a debt problem in Greece or Spain or Portugal. Would they? Of course not.
I see exactly the same situation here. Who advised these schmucks? Julius.
29 Aug 2010, 20:22 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-515: Good post. We beat a good Aussie side and showed character to come back from behind. Positives for me is how quickly Hougaard adapted. We do not have to be too concerned for life after Fdp.
Butch also showed he can stand in for MS if required.
29 Aug 2010, 20:55 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-542:
Yeah, you also had a 17 point lead in January this year. Your guys make the ABs look like amateurs when it comes to choking.
29 Aug 2010, 21:47 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-543: Sanity, in SARU? You and I both know that’s not possible.
Compensation for all Unions is going to be interesting, who draws the fans, who develops talent.
29 Aug 2010, 21:55 pm
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-10:
” Brilliant Boks ”
LMAO
29 Aug 2010, 21:57 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-549:
I think you’re missing SARUs mandate and constitution. As for developing the talent, just look at where the major unions sign that talent.
29 Aug 2010, 22:01 pm
@David(David)-551: I think you are missing the big picture. It doesn’t matter how good Johnny from McDorp is if he stays in McDorp.
The big Unions are the lifeblood of SARU. The dodgy dealings at the smaller unions don’t do much for rugby other than lining a few pockets.
Major metropoles have money and resources, it’s the way it works in a capitalistic society. If you wanna be a movie star, move to LA you can’t expect the directors to find you in Poffadder.
The way SARU is going about this is pathetic.
29 Aug 2010, 22:03 pm
@cab(cab)-527:
“when it comes to the big occasions we both know how the Bokke sometimes step up.
Fixed. Remember WRC2003? And what’s going on if you don’t think Tri-Nations is a big occasion?
29 Aug 2010, 22:15 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-552:
Until the SWC, SARU had no option, other than to hire stadiums from the major unions for tests. Now they do. If you want to talk about capitalism and the free market, that’s exactly what SARU is doing. They’re choosing to go where they can make the most profit without being tied to the previous monopoly of the major unions stadiums.
29 Aug 2010, 22:24 pm
Anyway, I’m off to bed. Cheers guys.
29 Aug 2010, 22:27 pm
@David(David)-554: touche!!!!
29 Aug 2010, 22:45 pm
Chillyboy should seriously consider moving to the Lions:
That would leave each union with a springbok or more at hooker
Bulls – Gary Botha & Badise Maku
Cheetahs – Adriaan Strauss
Lions – Chillyboy Ralepelle
Sharks – Bismark Du Plessis & John Smit
Stormers – Tiaan Liebenberg & Hinyani Shimange
There are also promising youngsters in Deon Fourie, Craig Burden and Hannes Franklin..
29 Aug 2010, 22:47 pm
@Rhys7(Rhys7)-557:
That would also make his bok selection fair because he would be starting at a union in a super rugby tournament and if he played like he did at Loftus then his performances justify his inclusion…
29 Aug 2010, 23:19 pm
I read that game completely different from this article.
There were a couple of defensive errors yes, but the first 3 tries cored by the Wallabies were as a result of good pressure from them, fantastic stepping by Beale et al, and turnovers. That is VERY difficult to defend. But that defence is easy to remedy.
What was better this game was the realisation by the Boks that keeping ball in hand is key. there was none of that kick chase **** in their half for once Instead, there was pateint buildu pin intensity, and scoring tries as a result. Yes, it was a little rusty (hey when last have they done it?) but it marked a change in attitude. Forcing THEM to defend for long periods causes THEM to get tired as well as us for a change.
Because kleeping ball in and is more effective than kick chase, the only weak point is turnovers. We were still not slick in controlling our ball – until the end, when we started to click- and the turnovers were the result. You expects to have tries scored against you in the new game if you have attacking mistakes, but you must also expect to score more than them in the long run. This is a GREAT change in attitude, and the result showed that even when we do it badky, teh laws work for us, and we can get a result. Now we must just get better at doing it.
Hougaard is good at realising exactly when we have “earned the right” to go wide. He still makes a few mistakes, but will get better with more play. He is also a great playmaker with good awareness.
Now if we can just teach the Bok forwards to offload in the tackle, and the Bok backs to use the hand-off more constructively. It really is something that is lacking in the SA game. The aussies and Kiwis use it extensively from their exposure to league over here, where fending and offloading is critical. if their smallr guys can do it effectively, imagine what our bigger guys with longer arms can do with it. But they rarely even try.
30 Aug 2010, 01:06 am
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-559:
Totally agree!
This game was one of the best I have ever seen, only some mistakes led to try’s, but that is common in every game. Looking forward to next weeks game now!
30 Aug 2010, 01:15 am
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-559: I fully agree. Great to see the Boks finally score a few tries. Defense wins world cups and the best defense is to attack. The notion of defending the whole time is mind-blowingly inept. All that does is increase the chances the opposition has to score by gifting them more opportunities to attack you. Meanwhile, they don’t have to worry about defending too much and are more than happy to keep attacking whilst the defenders fatigue at a quicker rate.
Indeed the Kiwis are masters at offloading. It really breaks down the oppositions defense, and its not just the backs but the forwards doing it as well.
Smith, Spies, and Fourie are the only ones I can think of in the Bok team who fend. The first try that Smith scored showed how useful a fend is.
30 Aug 2010, 01:37 am
Congratulations Bokke.
30 Aug 2010, 01:49 am
So much for Pocock, I thought he was ordinary, no link play, AWOL in defence. Fetching is one thing, but there are more dimensions to a 7s play than he showed on Saturday.
30 Aug 2010, 03:24 am
@Black Magic(Black Magic)-563: bit harsh to judge him off one game? as I recall he looked to be carrying an injury in the last 3N match.
30 Aug 2010, 05:48 am
Some more past players getting stuck into the poor reffing and manipulation of the system by Paddy Doos.
News24
And yet the dubious officiating of the (mostly) northern hemisphere referees and touch judges in Bok matches this season goes on.
Now not for a second do I think South Africa would suddenly be looking a million dollars if it weren’t for a catalogue of infuriatingly skewed calls against them.
Yet rank refereeing inconsistency, especially in the area of foul play, continues to dog them and I was so pleased that Breyton Paulse animatedly revisited the Ben Franks shoulder charge (er, sorry, apparently wholly permissible clean-out, Mr Owens?) on Juan de Jongh in the Soweto thriller against the All Blacks last weekend.
Koue Bokkeveld farm lad Paulse will be remembered as fairly soft-spoken, unassuming and even introverted during his playing career, but he has notably come out of his shell as he gains experience as a TV pundit.
And there was no holding him back when KykNet’s SuperRugby chat programme on Monday re-ran the Franks incident.
It seemed clear as the living daylight that the All Blacks tighthead led with his shoulder — or at least very high upper arm — as he smashed into a prone De Jongh at a ruck.
The tenacious centre took the blow smack in the proverbial chops yet didn’t make a meal of it, to his credit. (His “reward”, needless to say, was no action being taken against the offender whatsoever.)
“If that had been Bakkies … 10 weeks,” said Paulse forthrightly and only in very, very partial jest as studio allies Kobus Wiese and Ashwin Willemse nodded in resigned agreement.
He also queried, again rightly, the fact that the Bok camp did not appear to make a post-match issue out of it.
SuperRugby replayed another incident in which, after a collision between the two near a corner flag, Richie McCaw appeared to poke Schalk Burger unnecessarily in the face. One wonders what the (again unmoved) officials might have done had the incident occurred the other way around?
Mccaw strikes Burger in the eyes more like it/ Not to forget the scratch marks under Smits and Flips eyes.
30 Aug 2010, 08:34 am
Maybe they didn’t make an issue out of it because there was nothing in it, just like how Smits and Flips didn’t make any allegations against Mccaw because nothing happened.
Man the players aren’t little whining girls blaming the ref’s they know where the problems are. These explayers and a minority of whining supporters are creating a whole new phenomenom of the whinging Bok which used to be limited to the poms, not the SA way guys.
30 Aug 2010, 10:54 am
That’s right Dex take it like a man
Our compeitors have painted us as dirty and get away with what we don’t
Why is that cos real men don’t whingw well that’s why the kiwis get away with it
They whinge and we get cards
Wise up we need to get smart and not allow teams to get the better of us
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