Tri-Nations latest (Tues)
31 Aug 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the news from the Tri-Nations.
Deans demands Wobblies to toughen up
Robbie Deans says his players need to toughen up ahead of the Wallabies’ Test against the Springboks in Bloemfontein on Saturday.
The Wallabies head coach lamented his team’s performance last weekend which saw them relinquish a 21-7 lead and lose 44-31 in Pretoria. Deans said his players need to be ‘tougher on each other’ and on defence.
Deans added that his players need to cut out unnecessarily pressure they put on teammates with ‘schoolboy rugby’ cut-out passes and accepting mediocrity. He also stressed that they need to take more of their opportunities.
‘What that loss came down to was unnecessary lapses,’ Deans said.
‘In the game, there were elements which were good, but some of the old elements of our play came back. You’ve got to put that down to the ability of the players to drive each other to keep their minds on the task. This team is not yet tough enough.’
Deans warned his players about their World Cup spots next year, saying that he will drop repeat offenders once injured players, like Digby Ioane, Ben Alexander, James Horwill, Wycliff Palu, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Peter Hynes, Rob Horne and Rod Davies, become available again. He also mentioned bringing back veterans like former skipper Stirling Mortlock and lock Dan Vickerman, who returns from Cambridge University next season.
O’Neill to seek reconciliation
ARU boss John O’Neill will meet up with his Saru counterparts in Bloemfontein on Friday to try and rescue the Sanzar partnership.
In recent weeks, Saru officials have been critical about their Australian and New Zealand partnership and admitted to the media that they will look at better potential partnerships after the Sanzar contract ends.
Saru president Oregan Hoskins also said that Sanzar’s disciplinary hearing over Bok head coach Peter de Villiers’s comments was ‘a declaration of war by Australia and New Zealand against South Africa’.
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31 Aug 2010, 10:52 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-91: Are you the gatekeeper of other languages? From now on, if anyone says a word that is not English you will b responsible to trash them soundly.
Bear in mind I’ve seen people speak French, Afrikaans, Maori, etc here, so you will have your work cut out for you. But as self appointed language COP. You’re up to the challenge to doubt.
By the way. How’s that translation comming. The Afrikaans one I posted. I WANT YOU TO SAY IT.
31 Aug 2010, 10:52 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-95: What do you mean Bees “supporters” or are you yet another racist trying to stir with needless insinuations about yet another death in Sa…
31 Aug 2010, 10:53 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-98: Different meanings to one word. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!
But I was actually looking for a verbatim translation to my post.
31 Aug 2010, 10:54 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-101: Its already been said, Transie’s Mummy…
Fark do whoever you represent know you are this thick and impartial to the truth…?
31 Aug 2010, 10:55 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-102: Just what he said. People that support BEES. Please don’t try and twist this to suit you. We all read english. You are supposed to COP the other languages.
31 Aug 2010, 10:55 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-105: according to transie’s mummy…?
31 Aug 2010, 10:55 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-104: Translate the whole sentence. Come on…..You can do it…. You are shirking you Language COP duty.
31 Aug 2010, 10:56 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-106: Must I post it again. Are you having trouble with the whole sentence?
31 Aug 2010, 10:57 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-105: Who “supports” Bees?
His family?
His friends?
His lawyer?
and what else is their to support?
31 Aug 2010, 10:57 am
“HEAVEN’S GAME IS A GROOT D00S”
Now you managed, the last word. What about the others. Come come. You can do it.
31 Aug 2010, 10:57 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-88: Yep, his credibility will come under scrutinity. Up to this point he is however the only independent witness who has nothing to gain or lose. Also my post was selectively edited. The security guard also stated that when Bees realised the policeman is lying motionless on the ground after the beating he was shaken, urging him to:”Staan op, jy is mos ‘n sterk man”. He then proceeded to try and revive him. This strokes with initial reports that Bees was found on top of the victim when the paramedics and police arrived. So, it can be argued from the above that Bees did not have the intent to kill the officer, reducing the charge to that of culpable homicide. Dolus eventualis is however strong enough intent for a murder conviction (test whether the reasonable person in Bees’ shoes would have foreseen that the nature of the beating could culminate in the death of the vicim), though more difficult to prove. My guess is a guilty plea on culpable homicide with 2 – 3 years imprisonment. Private defense pretty much out the window as the act of was interrupted (running over to stop his car) and then continued again.
31 Aug 2010, 10:58 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-109: Ask Pietman. He has it in his nic that he supports BEES. Presumably that means he is a BEES supporter. Are you alleging that he is BEES’ family member or lawyer?
31 Aug 2010, 10:59 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-108: I think you need someone to translate your english posts for you – a bit incomprehensible… I know it must be hard for you and do sympathise…
31 Aug 2010, 11:01 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-110: leave this conniving scumbag, you won’t get an honest retort from him, he tried his stunt, he didn’t succeed
31 Aug 2010, 11:02 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-96:
Fair enough.I agree with that principle
I wish then that principle of “trail by media” etc to be applicable accross all peoples/facets in our society.
That same trial by media didnt seem to be problem for many when other “prominent” individuals of SA society were put through the grinder whether founded/unfounded.
Now….
31 Aug 2010, 11:02 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-113: Jeez what is this with you. You are suppose to call out anyone who posts in different languages and not just put your spin on one word in their post, ignoring the context or the fact that the word could have a different meanings. THE WHOLE THING.
But that was not your intention WAS IT! Your plan was to nit pick and spin it your way. Ag, why try and make it pretty.
YOU LIED.
31 Aug 2010, 11:04 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-112: Obfuscation… this was a post that started out about sticking up for her not so innocent boy that now seems to have turned to raging about the “terrible” “whites”… Or to use ET’s term: “Non-blacks”… Because how dare anyone support someone who may or may not have committed a crime…
Take your hue based glasses off – you are being exposed for being a racist like ET…
31 Aug 2010, 11:04 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-114: I think it’s embarrasment more than anything else. He is one of those that can’t admit they were wrong, so compouds the situation.
31 Aug 2010, 11:04 am
PDV also supports Bees 100% … i’m not a PDV fan, but respect to him!
31 Aug 2010, 11:05 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-116: Okay expert – why don’ you translate for me the whole thing?
Transie hasn’t, by the way, for all the world to see…
31 Aug 2010, 11:07 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-115: Good we agree on that then
Though to be fair, you can’t expect people to remain impartial when issues like this arise, there will always be emotional responses and the media vultures will play on that.
If you;re referring to Zuma, I guess it’s the sheer number of fraud accusations levelled at him, over 700 I think… And the conviction of Shaik led to the old question, how can a corrupt relationship only have 1 offender? And how long did he serve? It brings to mind the mobsters doing time for their bosses, serve a year or 2 and you’ll be taken care of….who knows, not sure any of these questions were ever really answered?
31 Aug 2010, 11:07 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-117: WHOOOOH!
Grabing that old blanket are you. My only gripe with you all morning was that you misinterpret other bloggers posts, and tell a blog that they said something and insulted someone, WHEN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, what was posted in the first place. Then, when you are corrected, you STILL PERSIST WITH THE LIE!
Now, please explain who I suddenly become a racist, for calling you out on BEING A LIAR!
31 Aug 2010, 11:08 am
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-99: Dont come with your racist tendecies, you baster!
31 Aug 2010, 11:08 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-120: He has. Go back to the thread. He even invited you to do the same. Aparently… YOU DECLINED.
31 Aug 2010, 11:11 am
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-119: You are right. Pdv came out and said he is a Bees supporter. Guess he must be his lawyer then if HG is to be believed.
31 Aug 2010, 11:11 am
Somebody died/was killed brutally and somebody else needs to pay!
31 Aug 2010, 11:12 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-122: The only protestations and loud shouting is coming from your corner… I know its not nice to realise little Mummys boy may actually have twisted the truth to you… Someday you will realise this and come apologise to HG…
until then, be easily led…
31 Aug 2010, 11:13 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-124: Been reading this blog for a while. All I can say is you have serious issues and need help. And I mean that in a good way. No offence. Take a valium and then go and read ur comments again.
31 Aug 2010, 11:13 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-123: Go out! Bloody agent!
31 Aug 2010, 11:13 am
mighty horua, do i look like Herchelle gibbs? i’m no baster haha
31 Aug 2010, 11:14 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-126: I feel the worst for that officer’s poor children. No-one should have to grow up without a father
31 Aug 2010, 11:14 am
Yeehaaaah, let’s round up a posse and jump on our moral high horses and lynch some f.cker….
31 Aug 2010, 11:15 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-64: Reserve prop is an issue with Franks, Tialata, and Afoa all in the frame. None great, but each at least capable when alongside Woodcock and Hore/Mealamu against all but the best scrums.
If Dagg shines in the NH tour this year I could see him replacing the Rock. Rock has been solid since returning to the side, but the X factor isn’t there any more. Dagg is a capital X factor, so just needs to prove that he is reliable.
Whitelock, Donnely, Williams, Thorne – what a problem to have. Those 4 will all go, and the combination of any 2 looks pretty good. Williams and Thorne most likely if Ali comes back strong, but Donnely has been a real find for the AB’s as well. Whitelock is the apprentice, but learning fast.
Toeava vs Kahui vs SBW – those 3 in contention for the midfield spots. If SBW shows his class on the NH tour he will go to RWC. Another big X factor coming on in the last 20 minutes.
I still like Hore to start and Kev to finish. It is not about who is best, it is about Hore taking the sting out of the opposition forwards and then high rev Kev providing the speed and impact.
One interesting area will be the 2nd backup flyhalf. The name Luke M comes to mind. He has been finding his form now the injuries are over and he is now playing flyhalf for NH in the NPC. I smell a plan there.
The only weaknesses I see in the AB squad for next year are backup 7&8, Cruden’s inexperience, and backup props. If everyone is fit the first choice team and bench looks very solid.
31 Aug 2010, 11:17 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-111: What worries me about a situation like this is that we have already seen on this site even, a massive polarisation in terms of opinion, and often seperated along racial lines.
The defense will do their best to paint the circumstance to their best advantage, which will include trashing the metro police, dragging the names through the dirt, highlighting the issue of crime in SA as the real problem, and so on and so forth.
The Prosecution will do their best to paint Roux as nothing more than a common thug who didn’t want to be held accountable for drinking and driving to the point of being willing to murder the policeman who was simply trying to enforce the law.
And so it will go back and forth. And the tide will sweep people up around it. Handbags at dawn on this site i’m sure.
I’d urge people to withold opinion where inflamatory, and consider the implications of their words carefully. And not to rise to the bait….
31 Aug 2010, 11:18 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-131: Thats exactly what i told ***-face last nite
31 Aug 2010, 11:19 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-135: T.i.t
31 Aug 2010, 11:21 am
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-130: You sound like one
31 Aug 2010, 11:23 am
mighty … okay then gibbs & i are broertjies
31 Aug 2010, 11:29 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-127: Funny. I’m the one that will be holding out for that apology but I’m not holding my breath either
@Two Eyed(Two Eyed)-128:
No offense, but you’ll understand if I decline your ‘SO WELL MEANING’ advice. You do not know me. I’ve never read anything you’ve posted until this second. Let’s keep that way.
31 Aug 2010, 11:35 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-139: anytime… humble yourself and you will be forgiven… I see you have yourself in an absolute flapping twist with Jockbok on the other thread too…
Hmmm, Mummys and their little darlings… tut, tut.
31 Aug 2010, 11:36 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-134: Yes, that is what I immediately feared upon hearing the news as well. To my knowledge though no of the relevant role players have made race an issue yet. Bees hasnt claimed racial discrimination/ attack(s) by the officer(s) involved, the family of the victim have stated they do no view it as a race motivated incident. As always the little people on both sides of the divide will in their ignorance always fall back on the race card though.
31 Aug 2010, 11:40 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-65:
Are you saying that if Mohale was trying to steal Roux’s car then he deserved to get his brains emptied onto the road? Or are you suggesting Mohale was trying to kill him?
31 Aug 2010, 11:42 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-141: Yip, with emphasis on “little people”.
31 Aug 2010, 11:43 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-140: Not at all. He said I’m a “type” he doesn’t have time for, and he will be scrolling on in future. It works for him. You could try it to. But I don’t think you have “type” issues.
31 Aug 2010, 11:44 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-134:
Excellent assessment.
I just wish that was applicable for media related cases.ALL
31 Aug 2010, 11:45 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-85:
“Most Saffers are farking more than at least 2% better than any Kiwi on the planet…”
Better at what, donkey?
31 Aug 2010, 11:50 am
@Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-146: Rugby… Nuff said, prat.
31 Aug 2010, 11:50 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-53:
I believe “HA !” is universally regarded as a ‘laugh’.
I bet the History Channel is very popular in Pretoria.
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-54:
altho, it truly IS nigh impossible to distinguish when youre TRYing to be funny and when youre just talking cr@p……”Paddy as an Aussie” ???!!!! try not to make it toooooo cryptic now shall we.
Im still laughing at your previous attempt to say Kaplan “is in Paddy pocket” just because he refereed an AB victory.
In fact, Ive hardly felt the need to put my 2p’s worth in this year, the whinging from Bok fans has been reward enough. Why bother ?!
31 Aug 2010, 11:51 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-131: Yeah. HG did and look what’s happened.
31 Aug 2010, 11:51 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-145: I agree, the press will not cover themselves in glory on this issue, believe me…..Sensationalism, half quotes, innuendo will become the order of the day in many instances. But as you say, it’s not like that’s never happened before….
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