PdV’s free ride is over
1 Sep 2010
JON CARDINELLI says the only surprise regarding Peter de Villiers’ impending dismissal is that it’s taken this long for Saru to realise he’s a complete liability.
There’s been plenty happening behind the scenes since Monday’s press conference in Bloemfontein. De Villiers wasn’t asked about the Bees Roux murder case, but felt obliged to bring it up while waxing lyrical about the hope the Boks bring to people in dire situations. He said that the Boks are behind Roux 100%, a statement that’s caused an uproar in certain communities and enraged his employers at Saru.
This careless comment could be the final straw. Come Sunday, De Villiers should be gone.
De Villiers will face a disciplinary committee this week and an announcement regarding the incident will be made on Sunday. The deluge of embarrassing comments he’s made during his three-year tenure will be used against him as grounds for an early dismissal.
No one should be surprised, because if it were any other coach, they would have been fired long ago. There’s no denying De Villiers has brought the game into disrepute. The Bees Roux statement was a misplaced show of patriotism, an absurd gesture. He’s never been a fit spokesman for the Boks and his latest offering only underlines the fact.
De Villiers in a press conference is like a loaded gun. The slightest provocation sets him off. On Monday, that gun exploded without prompting. Saru should bullet him on Sunday, but they cannot say that they didn’t see another verbal calamity coming. Keeping him as Bok coach will continue to risk the reputation of Saru, the Boks and South Africa itself.
Nick Mallett and Jake White were two of South Africa’s more successful coaches, but their strong-willed personalities saw them clashing with the top brass at Saru. Mallett was fired after complaining about ticket prices, something most South Africans complain about on a weekly basis. White won the World Cup, but it wasn’t enough. Saru wanted him out after 2007, and his resignation pre-empted their move to displace him.
What if Mallett or White had botched a press conference so spectacularly that they ended up condoning eye-gouging? Would they have made it to the next Test, let alone the next season?
De Villiers showed his support for Schalk Burger after the second Test against the Lions in 2009, but his misfiring mouth spoke about gouging lions on the highveld in the same breath, an arrogant and defiant statement that almost dared the authorities to censor him.
In 2008, he responded to criticism by saying he’d had enough, and that they ‘should give rugby back to the whites’. On Monday in Bloemfontein, he made another outrageous claim that smacked of mindless bravado, ‘You’re either for us or you’re against us’. He spoke about the laager being closed and how the team is unified and immune to any criticism. And here I’d thought we were done with the laager mentality. Apparently not.
Earlier this year, his comment on live television intimated referees favoured the All Blacks because of the 2011 World Cup, and referees knew it was in New Zealand’s interest that the home team remained successful.
Former Wallabies hooker Brendan Cannon called him a clown, a view shared by many opposition coaches and players abroad, and a few in this country as well. If De Villiers is a clown, he’s the unfunny kind, and the only people laughing are those who aren’t South African. They want De Villiers to continue because they know he’s the Boks’ primary stumbling block. Technically, he offers nothing, and his controversial rants only result in more pressure on a team that he’s ironically sworn to protect.
All these incidents have been kept in a file and the latest comment, which amounts to backing an alleged murderer, should be the blunder that hastens his departure. He no longer enjoys the government’s support, and his president will no longer tolerate his arrogance. Regan Hoskins has been instructed not to comment, but deal with the situation. There’s no way De Villiers can survive the axe. Anything but an axing will be a let off.
Regardless of what happens in the final Tri-Nations Test on Saturday, Peter de Villiers can no longer be tolerated. The Boks are the world champions and the South African community should accept nothing but the best. It’s been obvious from day one that De Villiers doesn’t fit the criteria, and he’s consistently proved it over a three-year career. The free ride is over.
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752 Comments
1 Sep 2010, 11:11 am
off with his head dragons
1 Sep 2010, 11:12 am
Bye bye Diffy
1 Sep 2010, 11:15 am
Surely putting PDV before an enquiry is racist, and an affront to SA Rugby.
Will Saru be looking to end SANZAR as a result??
1 Sep 2010, 11:15 am
I’d say the players still back him.
1 Sep 2010, 11:18 am
So it seems Keo and his cronies have achieved what they have set out to do the day PDV was appointed as Bok coach.
I wish I could run into Jon one day in a dark alley!!
1 Sep 2010, 11:20 am
@wpw(wpw)-5:
keo
to tough
for
you
1 Sep 2010, 11:22 am
Alistair or Heyneke?
Matfield is Meyer’s captain so that might put an unnecessary spanner in the team dynamic so close to the world cup.
Waaaaaay overdue.
1 Sep 2010, 11:22 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-6:
too
1 Sep 2010, 11:22 am
Thank god….. AT LAST!!
1 Sep 2010, 11:23 am
Celebrates and embraces mediocrity.
Asserts that one can’t control winning or losing.
Has stated that he’s just happy to be in the position he’s in, and that even the bad days are good.
Alienates Bok supporters by telling them if they criticise (which is their inalienable right) then his Boks are against them.
Has soured relations with the two most talented backline players to emerge out of SA in the past five years.
Condones violence on the field.
Has stated that he may urge his team to cheat.
Supports a potential murderer.
The list goes on…
SACK HIM! SACK HIM NOW!
Heynecke Meyer
Alistair Coetzee
Jake White
Rassie Erasmus
Dawie Theron
All waiting in the wings.
1 Sep 2010, 11:23 am
Okay so let me get this right…
He is going to be fired (according to this website) for things he said to the media?
Most of which have been discussed and debated both ways, at times completely taken out of context?
For which he was found not guilty in official disciplinary hearings?
Well I would love it if they did do this…
1 Sep 2010, 11:23 am
Can’t say I won’t support that decision. Hell, I welcome it.
1 Sep 2010, 11:23 am
What’s the smell??
Oh, fat porra opened his mouth! That explains it!!
1 Sep 2010, 11:24 am
not
a given
yet
1 Sep 2010, 11:24 am
@wpw(wpw)-5:
PDV has done this all by himself.
I fear KEO is right though – wishful thinking that we’ll see the back of him.
1 Sep 2010, 11:26 am
@wpw(wpw)-13:
just
because
you’re scared
of keo
you say
i stink
typical
gangster
mentality
take a
few
fellow
gangsters
with knives
and guns
you’ll be
okay
even against
keo
1 Sep 2010, 11:28 am
PuffDivvy — his lips are flapping while his brain is napping.
1 Sep 2010, 11:28 am
My guess is if Div gets the boot, then so should Hoskins and some of his deputies. Now that would be wishful thinking.
Do we really think a second win on Saturday is a turning point? Somehow I think the Aussies will have our number this time, and so should they. They threw away the match and it wasn’t a case of us winning through brilliant play.
What is so annoying is that the players we have should be winning matches easily considering how talented they are, but all that has been coached out of them. They weren’t exactly bad during the Super 14, so why are they now? Having said that, it depends of course if you were playing for the Lions….and they were coached by Muir….who is also a Bok assistant coach.
Say no more.
1 Sep 2010, 11:29 am
I always supported giving Div a go and i thought i was justified after his first year. But seriously, you can’t be world champions, and be continually making such dumb statements. The rugby world needs to respect us even when we are in a slump, but with these outbursts i don’t think they can.
I live abroad and watch rugby mostly with kiwis, aussies and poms and every week i find myself trying to justify what he has said.
Coaching team of Rassie, Os and Percy is the “quick-fix” we need before th WC>
1 Sep 2010, 11:29 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-17: That is about right.
1 Sep 2010, 11:30 am
he
was out
of his
depth
from the
start
so who
appointed
him
that’s the
question
1 Sep 2010, 11:31 am
Come Sunday, he’ll be gone??? On what basis JC? Cos YOU said so???
Gosh, I wanted to be nice today, but this thumbsucking is getting under my skin.
Rugby365 reports: The latest outcry against the outspoken Bok coach came after he told a media gathering in Bloemfontein that the Springbok team is “100 percent” behind Blue Bulls prop Bees Roux, who faces murder charges after a metro police officer was killed in Pretoria last Friday.
(* To listen to Peter de Villiers’s comments, CLICK HERE!)
Earlier reports suggested that De Villiers was expected to face a disciplinary hearing, because of his statement that the team is behind Roux.
However, South African Rugby Union President Oregan Hoskins told rugby365.com that there is no plans for a disciplinary hearing involving De Villiers.
Hoskins added that he will have a “heart-to-heart” with De Villiers about his statements in the media.
1 Sep 2010, 11:32 am
Give it to Plum – should cause a stir back in NZ!
1 Sep 2010, 11:32 am
What the Hell is this ****? It will be a calamity if Div is axed. The team will be in freefall.
1 Sep 2010, 11:33 am
@superbok(superbok)-18: ‘What is so annoying is that the players we have should be winning matches easily considering how talented they are’
I think you vastly overrate their talent.
1 Sep 2010, 11:34 am
@Victor4CAPTAIN(UnbeataBULL)-22: exactly … heart to heart … sorry, we have to let you go Div.
1 Sep 2010, 11:35 am
@Victor4CAPTAIN(UnbeataBULL)-22:
You should know by now they have impeccable ‘sources close to the team’
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-25:
As do all South Africans…
1 Sep 2010, 11:37 am
These Keo ******** are annoying. Div is staying till 2011. Deal with it.
1 Sep 2010, 11:37 am
This is based on rumour. There is no hearing scheduled.
1 Sep 2010, 11:37 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-25: not looking for an argument and not agreeing with the original statement … but SA really does have the most talent on offer. We just don’t use it properly.
It’s a bit like Indian cricket, they should be able to field 3 sides of dominating the world.
1 Sep 2010, 11:38 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-24:
The team is already in freefall.
Replacing the coaching staff now with astute replacements is the best thing to do.
1 Sep 2010, 11:38 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-28: so why you here if they so annoying and stupid and don’t know what they talking about?
1 Sep 2010, 11:40 am
Bulls/stormers coaching staff is the answer. Too risky one year out from the world cup, though.
1 Sep 2010, 11:41 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-25: The players are mentally and physically drained. The players are going through a slump. We will be ready next year. Its not that they have been uncoached.
1 Sep 2010, 11:42 am
Okay wtf am I missing here.
I have no read his comments on Roux about 4 times, even listened to the audio clip and I am struggling to see why everyone is in such a big hoo-haa about the incident?
1 Sep 2010, 11:43 am
* now read…
1 Sep 2010, 11:44 am
hoskins is going to do what straeuli did with keo when the geo cronje saga erupted…a tete-a-tete about how we don’t want to alienate communities, constituencies etc..
1 Sep 2010, 11:45 am
@kevin w(kevin w)-32: I am here for the rugby news! Not this **** that they think up! Why are you here?
1 Sep 2010, 11:45 am
@Chris D(Chris D)-7: Heyneke perhaps – cant see Matfield being his captain being a problem. I think John Smit is being a greedy pig trying to go for anotehr World Cup before retiring. He is out of form and no longer an asset as a player. As part of the forward coaching staff no problem.
Matfield is on his last World Cup too – he deserves to be in it as captain. And frankly I think at the moment he is probably a better captain than John Smit as well.
1 Sep 2010, 11:45 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-33:
Not necessarily.
There is continuity in either Meyer or Coetzee.
Meyer – Bulls comprise large part of squad and he is an exceptional motivator. He could conceivably get the Boks up to optimum level for NZ next year.
Coetzee – has worked with the RWC 2007 players plus new Boks like Louw, De Jongh, Aplon. Appears to be a fantastic man-manager and exceptionally articulate at press conferences.
1 Sep 2010, 11:47 am
Man fire die ou en kry klaar, en fire sommer sy twee assistent coaches . Baie swak kombinasie , my magtig die een wil meer se oor hoe die game gespeel moet word. Dink die spelers weet self nie eens meer watter game plan hulle moet speel nie. So ja raak nou van hulle ontslae asb. Dis hoog tyd dat daai plek weer bietjie skoon gevee word.
1 Sep 2010, 11:48 am
@puff(puff)-31: The team is in a temporary slump….this happens in all sport codes. New management I agree with you can have a positive effect but then again it can also have a negative effect. New systems, new tactics, new favourites new ideas. This is ludicrous one year from the WC.
1 Sep 2010, 11:49 am
What a totally ridiculous article written to create hits on the site.
1 Sep 2010, 11:50 am
MEYER! It would be fantastic.
1 Sep 2010, 11:50 am
How is the coach suppose to prosper if there is so much negativity around?
1 Sep 2010, 11:53 am
@kevin w(kevin w)-30: I was really talking about the current 3N team, it’s nothing special in the forward pack. Re. SA’s talent, I think the problem is they don’t manage it correctly, they contrive to have a lot of their best talent out injured.
1 Sep 2010, 11:55 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-42: It happens every time, few months out of the RWC journos get on the “Axe the coach” horn, as predictable as the tides, from now till the WC PDivvy wont be able to even drop a dart without the people calling for his head just you watch, absolute madness
1 Sep 2010, 11:55 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-38: Its enough to make one vomit on one’s keyboard!
1 Sep 2010, 11:55 am
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-33: Whats risky is keeping P Divvy and co on as the coaching staff
I say wholesale changes to coaching staff. Its not like the players wont know the coachign staff. The Boks are fairly well split between the Bulls and Stormers with a few Sharks chucked in so if ALlister Coetzee and Heyneke Meyer were running the ship I hardly think that would be problematic.
Need to bring in the new players on EOYT and give them a furthur run in June Tests and Tri Nations. If they step up to the plate they NEED to be in the World Cup squad. Just 2 months ago people were vascillating between selections like Juan de Jongh, Gio Aplon and Francois Houghaard… who can deny they all deserve a fulltime place in the squad at the moment?
Id say furthur youngsters that need to be included for either the fulltime World Cup squad or as substitutes for the World Cup squad (that is 3rd rank players that will remain in Sa during World Cup and only be called up if 1st or 2nd choice player is injured) should be the following:
1 Coenie Oosthuizen
2 Deon Fourie
3 Werner Kruger
4 Flip van der Merwe
5 Anton van Zyl (not a youngster but 3rd choice for sure)
6 Francois Louw or Stegmann
7 Willem Alberts
8 (Kankowski)
9 not needed as with 2 scrummies and Francois Houghaard in the team there wont be a need (Vermaak if needed)
10 not needed as with M Steyn and James in the squad and Patrick Lambie there wont be a need (Peter Grant if it gets there)
11 Bjorn Basson or Nokwe
12 not needed with J de Villiers and Juan de Jongh and Frans Steyn as backup in the squad (Wynand Olivier)
13 Not needed with Jacques Fourie Francois Houghaard and Juan de Jongh in squad
14 Lionel Mapoe
15 Not needed with Frans Steyn, Lambie and Aplon in the squad but in case (Conrad Jantjes or Riaan Viljoen)
1 Sep 2010, 11:57 am
JC, show your thumbsucking face! Where did you get your “facts” Do you know something we dont?
1 Sep 2010, 11:57 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-35:
One reason/word comes to mind PA:
AGENDA!!
1 Sep 2010, 11:57 am
@kevin w(kevin w)-30: Do you realize that NZ have won the last three IRB Junior World Champs(formerly under 21) with scores of 38 – 3, 44-28 and 62-17? In 2007 it wasn’t played.
1 Sep 2010, 11:58 am
Forgot to mention my first choice young players not currently in the setup:
2 Tiaan Liebenberg (not so young)
7 Dewalt Potgieter (in the setup but should be 2nd choice)
8 Duane Vermeulen
9 Sarel Pretorius
10 Patrick Lambie
11 Lwazi Mvovo
12 (Juan de Jongh in already)
13 (Francois Houghaard)
14 (Gio Aplon)
1 Sep 2010, 12:00 pm
please man div is not that bad, talks a lot of nonsense, but i still believe the guy is a great coach, i think he just needs to be told the truth concerning the media and that is the fact that money makes their world go round meaning they will always get something to critizise, he is taking things to personal and that cuases these blow ups.
otherwise this guy should take us to the world cup it is anyway to late for changes. it would be nice if keo and co could maybe try and ask some of the players if they are against the coach or not..?? this article is nothing but “Son” quality anyway, seems that it has no substance and only wishfull thinking and thumbsucking as a its base…???
1 Sep 2010, 12:01 pm
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-45: He cant he´s an idiot. The negativity is justified based on years of ridiculous selection policies, failed tactical planning, lack of insight to discovering new talent (see Brussouw, M Steyn etc etc),
idiocy and lack of diplomacy in post match interviews and with the press in general, and a lack of vision. need I say more? Try posting something intelligent for a change.
1 Sep 2010, 12:04 pm
@malema vs verwoerd(malema vs verwoerd)-54: Its never too late for change. We still have more than a year for gods sake. Cant ask the players cos like nurses they will always close ranks and stick to the story.
1 Sep 2010, 12:04 pm
And the saga continues. Fire PDV? Really? Not gonna happen, for reasons alreasy pointed out by Pissant. For those who want him fired, who are the realistic alternatives? White. Coetzee. Meyer.
White? After the way he bad-mouthed SARU? I doubt they’d say “All’s forgiven Jake!”
Coetzee: remember that he threw his name in the hat after White left, in fact White touted him as his successor. Basically the kiss of death at the time for Toetie. For SARU he is a White-boy. hehehe. Had to get that pun in.
Meyer: Seems the logical choice and as a Bulls supporter, my pick. 2 issues though: When last did he coach? and: Cast your mind back to last week’s run on team. Count the black players (remembering that two was dropped after having been two of the beter performers the previous test). Do you guys honestly think Heyneke will get that leeway from the politicians?
My prediction: Boks to come out for PDV on Saturday and absolutely smash the Wallabies.
1 Sep 2010, 12:05 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-55: Calling someone an idiot is hardly intelligent bud. He won us the British Lions series and Tri-Nations with excellent tactics that worked like a bomb. I think everyone is just upset because Div has the ability to speak his mind.
1 Sep 2010, 12:06 pm
“JON CARDINELLI says the only surprise regarding Peter de Villiers’s impending dismissal is that it’s taken this long for Saru to realise he’s a complete liability.
There’s been plenty happening behind the scenes since Monday’s press conference in Bloemfontein. De Villiers wasn’t asked about the Bees Roux murder case, but felt obliged to bring it up while waxing lyrical about the hope the Boks bring to people in dire situations. He said that the Boks are behind Roux 100%, a statement, that’s caused an uproar in certain communities and enraged his employers at Saru”
So it’s been decided then?
“This careless comment could be the final straw. Come Sunday, De Villiers should be gone.”
So it’s not been decided then?
“De Villiers will face a disciplinary committee this week and an announcement regarding the incident will be made on Sunday. The deluge of embarrassing comments he’s made during his three-year tenure will be used against him as grounds for an early dismissal. ”
OK so definately decided then….
“There’s no way De Villiers can survive the axe. Anything but an axing will be a let off.”
Ok so we don’t know for sure???
Come on JC, this is speculation wrapped in innuedo parcelled in bad writing. You can do better….
1 Sep 2010, 12:07 pm
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-42:
It is NOT a temporary slump.
The team won the Lions series under PDV – his big claim to fame.
But the truth is the Lions victory can be attributed to some individual brilliance more than anything else.
Beast’s dismantling of Vickery.
Heinrich Brussow’s scavenging, which the Lions were unprepared for.
Morne Steyn’s accurate boot.
Of course I will concede that PDV did well to recognise these players talents and he must be credited for choosing to play them.
But he nearly lost the first Lions test with his ridiculous substitutions.
The second test boiled down to Steyn and Brussow.
And the third test was a disaster with PDV’s wholesale changes.
Thereafter, the team has been sliding and it’s been alarming.
Plus Smit has been messed around, which has threatened to prematurely end his international career.
Boks were woeful on end of tour.
Our victory against France has to be seen in context: no Barcella, Servat, Marconnet, Chabal, Harinordoquy, Jauzion, Basteraud playing.
Boks struggled against Italy – Italy!
Youngsters with oodles of talent like Heinke Van Der Merwe and Ruan Pienaar opting to leave.
The rot must stop now!
1 Sep 2010, 12:07 pm
And regarding De Villiers as coach i´d say its high time this guy got shafted. He´s made a mockery of rugby and South Africa in general. He´s embarrassed himself ad infinitum. He cant make selections based on form cos he has no clue what form is.
He will drive the Boks into the ground if given the chance. Thats what happens when you get people who arent qualified for the job and havent got the brains to learn on it.
1 Sep 2010, 12:08 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-55: You have been sucked in bud. By this propaganda started by Keo the moment it was announced that Div would be coach.
1 Sep 2010, 12:08 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-59:
No he can’t.
All this website needs currently is a chick with nice tits on page 3 and we are sorted.
1 Sep 2010, 12:09 pm
Boks are due for their next hiding on Saturday. A 49-0 is a possibility.
1 Sep 2010, 12:10 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-63:
1 Sep 2010, 12:10 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-57: Ludeke/Roussouw have the Bulls playing in a style well beyond anything Meyer achieved.
1 Sep 2010, 12:11 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-64: I don’t see this Oz side beating anyone 49-0.
1 Sep 2010, 12:11 pm
@jamisz(jamisz)-52: An interesting point mate. Did you watch the Women’s rugby WC? SA team got thumped! It’s the teams no one cares about now so they pack them with quotas- as all we really care about are the Boks. Here is a funny story: my Thai wife has picked up a little rugby know-how in the last 3 years- she still knows precious-little about the great game. As it happens they televised SA vs Nz women’s WC game on Thai TV while I was at work. My wofe had this to say: “The SA woman’s team looked really funny- they got beaten by a much better team”. This from someone who doesn’t know much about rugby! I watched the game and thought “shame”…
1 Sep 2010, 12:12 pm
@wpw(wpw)-51: @Slumtown(Slumtown)-55: eeds
Public relations disaster
Somebody please shut these clowns up!
If it is not Joe van Niekerk firing up the
Aussies with the old tale of the bounty on
George Smith ’s dreadlock or Jake White
telling the Irish that none of their team
would make his team (whilst in Dublin) or
White questioning the absence of Waratahs
players in a Brisbane test, it is now the
leader of the pack, convener of selectors
Peter Jooste telling the media just why
Butch James will play and how he will play
against the All Blacks.
“Against New Zealand, if you keep kicking
them into the corners and stopping their
momentum, they can crack under the
pressure. They get frustrated far easier than
the Australians, ” Jooste told the media in
explaining James’s late call-up.
In the meantime New Zealand sent out two
players to talk up the Boks.
They spoke of
the wounded Bok, the pride of the Bok
jersey and how tough Saturday ’s test would
be. They spoke of the physicality of the
Boks and the demands of playing them.
Graham Henry said the Boks would not
again be that poor as they were in Brisbane.
He said he failed to understand what went
wrong because they were a better team
than the result reflected.
He spoke with respect and reference, a
respect the Boks don ’t deserve.
Like any informed and astute sports coach,
he let the local media wind up the
opposition. The New Zealand media laughed
at the Boks performance. They splashed
‘braindead boks’ headlines across the local
papers in Wellington.
The public and media
in New Zealand have let the Boks know
what they think of them.
Henry has not needed to chip in with a
barb.
So enter our clowns.
The All Blacks have not lost in 20 tests at
home in the past three years. They ’ve been
pushed close a few times and come out on
top. They ’ve played a different starting XV
in nearly all of those tests and beaten
everyone in world rugby. Teams have
kicked to the corner and stayed there for
five minutes without scoring.
Think back to
the Pumas in Buenos Aires a month ago. For
five minutes the All Blacks held firm. They
certainly did not crack under the pressure.
Any team going backwards Mr Jooste is
vulnerable. Any team without momentum is
not as effective. But can you tell me when
you saw an All Blacks team under Graham
Henry crack because of a straight-running
flyhalf who keeps them in the corners with
probing kicks?
I think Butch James is a good call-up, but
Butch ’s strength has never been a
conservative game of kicking to the
corners.
He is an abrasive and instinctive
player who can be brilliant and woeful in
the same movement.
Message to the Boks. 49-0 was your
statement. Now shut up, get your head
down, pull on that jersey on Saturday and
restore some of that pride.
Tell those hangers-on in the squad set-up
that they only add to the crassness of the
last week with their poorly timed need to be
quoted and be read about in the papers.
It makes for great banter from the Muppits
and myself, but for goodness sake get it
together over there.
I feel for the public relations manager Anne
Lee Murray. How does she actually get her
job done when every hanger on in the
squad set-up has an opinion and wants to
read it in the paper over breakfast?
Where’s the control and the protocol in this
squad?
Where’s the manager (oh there is not one)
Where’s the communications manager?
(apparently there is one) Where’s the
professionalism? Where the hell is the team
that won the Tri Nations in 2004?
Keo
This entry was posted on Tuesday, July
18th, 2006
1 Sep 2010, 12:12 pm
@puff(puff)-60: You forgot the Tri-Nations. Dude I here you but all coaches makes mistakes. Some people make like Div has a 25% win ratio. Its absolute craziness. Let him finish his 4 year contract.
1 Sep 2010, 12:13 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-63: Instead of some dude in G ay undies?
1 Sep 2010, 12:13 pm
@puff(puff)-60:
Winning test in NZ also down to individual brilliance – Ricky Januarie. But it’s the last good thing he did for the Boks.
And even though PDV has introduced Mtawarira, Brussow, Steyn, De Jongh and Aplon to Bok rugby, he has also introduced Raubenheimer, Adams, Rose and has called up Newman to a camp.
His selections are as confusing as his press statements.
As is his penchant for moving players around: Smit, Pienaar, Steyn, De Villiers…
And if Adrian Jacobs wasn’t injured?
What are the chances of him starting ahead of Jacques Fourie?
Or ahead of JDV partnering Fourie?
And as for the amount of disciplinary indiscretions made by the Boks under PDV… of course, the players must be held responsible. But so must the coach!
1 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-66: Dunno bout that, think the current Bulls coaching staff will be the first to admit Meyer’s hand in creating this team and the likes of Fourie, Victor, Pierre, Danie. Their acid test is how they go without the established Boks, a test they fail dismally.
1 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-57: I think he wouldn’t want to coach the team for that exact reason!
1 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-58: We won those tests because we have a very strong team and 2 new guys who were “unfortunate” (for Puff Divvy) last gasp replacements – Morne Steyn and Heinrich Brussouw. Had it not been for those 2 gentlemen we would have lost the B&I Lions tour. We almost did anyway. It was super close and never super convincing. We threw huge leads on various occasions and one often thought another 10 minutes and it would have been all over for SA. Clinging on by the very fingertips springs to mind. Tri Nations a different story. I think we can thank the Bulls and their coaching staff for that.
Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. If the guys is thicka nd doesnt learn from his mistakes he´s an idiot and that is no relfection whatsovere on my or anyone elses intelligence. I´m just gatvol with all his BS.
1 Sep 2010, 12:15 pm
Ain’t gonna happen!
1 Sep 2010, 12:16 pm
@puff(puff)-72: PDV has won more than one test in NZ.
1 Sep 2010, 12:16 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-73: no doubt, but the Bulls never played under Meyer like they’ve played in the last two seasons under Ludeke. Since Meyer’s absence they’ve become the undisputed No.1 club/provincial side in world rugby, capable of playing an expansive or tight game.
1 Sep 2010, 12:16 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-69: p1 ss off dude. Youre the number one lamer around here with billions of daft posts always stirring.
1 Sep 2010, 12:18 pm
@puff(puff)-60: Thanks very much Mr Puff. Someone who doesnt have blinkers on.
1 Sep 2010, 12:18 pm
@Staal(Staal)-76: Yeah I agree. Much propaganda, no action. Again from the ministry of misinformation…..
1 Sep 2010, 12:21 pm
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-62: Nope I make my judgement based on what I see and anyone and I repeat ANYONE who makes the daft comments Pdiv does and chooses players such as Earl Rose, Davon Raubenheimer etc in a team is NOT up to the task – sorry. I dont need someone elses opinion to make that clear. He repeatedly refused to include Brussouw and Morn Steyn in his team even though everyone thought they were aboslutely brilliant. Need I say more?
1 Sep 2010, 12:21 pm
Let’s be honest here – PDV was never going to last as our coach- straight off the bat. Period.
1 Sep 2010, 12:23 pm
Cardinelli, are you trying to make it so by saying so? Give us a source or a quote or a press statement. Give us anything other than your opinion. I mean, we’d all like him to get booted, but this is like telling your boy he’s definitely, definitely getting that red BMX for Christmas, but when he opens his gift it’s a set of encyclopaedias.
1 Sep 2010, 12:25 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-78:
Coetzee better option that Meyer at this point, I feel.
Meyer will more than likely disrupt by making Matfield captain – some might argue this will be a good thing, but I disagree.
Meyer will probably persist with Spies, Olivier and possibly even Kirchner…
1 Sep 2010, 12:25 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-82:
I reckon you do yes.
Brussow was already selected by PDV for the EOYT in 2008 where he got capped.
Morne was selected in the B&I Lions squad following a great S14 and got his shot once Pienaar limped off injured who at that stage (Pienaar) was the number 1 choice at 10 following the last test the Boks played (England) where he was sensational. So there is no reason he should have been dropped given what he showed in the last game he played at 10 also given the B&I Lions series was the first time the Boks got together again (following the EOYT in 2008).
1 Sep 2010, 12:28 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-79: hahaha
1 Sep 2010, 12:28 pm
This is a load of ****. What has happened to Bok rugby since we won the WC and PDV was appointed. I for one had question marks about his appointment but man has he proved me wrong. The style of rugby is improving, players are being empowered to play a more heads-up game of rugby, confidence this year has waned a little because of disruptions but I believe that we have had one of our best runs internationally prior to this 3N’s. And now they are calling for his head because he cannot express himself appropriately in the media. I don’t condone what he said about supporting Bees however on a pure coaching ability perspective he has done nothing to warrant firing him.
1 Sep 2010, 12:33 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-82: what about a person who chose jaco vd westhyuzen as their no.1 flyhalf, are they astute students of the game?
1 Sep 2010, 12:38 pm
Maybe it’s time for a non-South African coach. I’d back Eddie Jones any day of the week!
1 Sep 2010, 12:39 pm
Isn’t it amazing how divided people are on almost any issue on this site? Love him hate him, classic stuff. At least he doesn;t invoke an indifferent response I guess. That would be the worst…
1 Sep 2010, 12:41 pm
Someone help me, my mind has gone into shutdown mode.
Not too long ago some other rugby player (from the Pumas or somewhere) was also accused of murder but continued to receive support from the union and continued to play rugby?
Who was that again and what was the situation?
1 Sep 2010, 12:42 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-92: The waterkloof 4 issue wan’t it?
1 Sep 2010, 12:43 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-93:
Not sure, guy played provincial rugby however
1 Sep 2010, 12:44 pm
Becker, Frikkie du Preez, Gert van Schalkwyk, and Reinach Tiedt were found guilty in June 2005 of attacking and killing a man in Moreleta park and attacking another on the same evening in Constantia in December 2001.
Throughout their lengthy trial the four maintained their innocence and conviction appeals and applications to argue in higher courts were subsequently turned down.
1 Sep 2010, 12:44 pm
Yes one of the Waterkloof 4
1 Sep 2010, 12:45 pm
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Johannesburg – A row has erupted over the inclusion of a convicted former Waterkloof High School pupil in Mpumalanga’s provincial rugby team.
Defending the selection of Gert van Schalkwyk, Mpumalanga Rugby Union (MRU) Hein Mentz said on Wednesday the player was being given a fair chance to continue his rugby career.
He said Van Schalkwyk – part of the Waterkloof Four – had appealed against his conviction and sentence for murder and assault charges and the case remained sub judice.
Van Schalkwyk, Christoff Bekker, Frikkie du Preez, and Reinach Tiedt – four whites – were found guilty of the murder of an unidentified black man and of assaulting another.
They were sentenced to 12 years in prison each but are currently out on bail pending the outcome of their appeal, which will be heard on April 29 2008.
1 Sep 2010, 12:47 pm
He could have a 100% winning record and he should still get fired for supporting someone who allegedly beat a policeman to death. It sickens me that people are discussing the rugby reasons for not firing him. I’ts got nothing to do with rugby he is an embarresment to our country.
1 Sep 2010, 12:47 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-97:
Aaahhh thanks.
Cant remember SA Rugby taking Hein Mentz and the Pumas to task though for bringing the game into disrepute.
1 Sep 2010, 12:49 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-97: Gert – Jimmy Stonehouse’s step son.
1 Sep 2010, 12:49 pm
JC is an idiot who prob like keo never played rugby.
bunch of wimps. Get people who played rugby to write your articles and maybe it will have some value.
As for the incumbents fckoff to the voice
1 Sep 2010, 12:49 pm
JC,
I say don’t hold your breath, all indications are that as a quota appointment PdV the clown will not be sacked.
Only IF Baba Z. has decided he wants to lift the Trophy, just like his other two predecessors, then and ONLY then PdV is gone.
Fact that he is still the coach clearly means the opposite, bear in mind: Januarie’s still there, this is served to demonstrate the power of the quota!
1 Sep 2010, 12:50 pm
Ook maar lekker dom, ne!
Al hierdie ouens wat nou so op die rug van JC se strond ry en hiep-hiep hoera skree. LMGA
1 Sep 2010, 12:50 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-99: Yes, and in that case they were already convicted of the crime and were out on bail pending an appeal. In Bees’ case he hasn’t even had a chance to defend himself.
Having said all this, I firmly believe that in this case less is more, as far as statements is concerned both by public personas and people on this site. Let the process take it’s course….
1 Sep 2010, 12:54 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-98:
Riiight okay…
Explain to me how we go from this:
Coach Peter de Villiers, while not condoning the action, told journalists that the matter had been discussed within the national team context and that it was a “tragic” affair.
Several of the current Springboks are teammates and friends of Roux, who was arrested in the early hours of Friday morning for the alleged murder of a metro police officer.
Weekend newspaper reports indicate an altercation ensued after the policeman was busy driving Roux home. The burly prop appeared in court on Monday.
Several Bok players have told SuperSport.com they are in the dark about what happened, and have had no contact with Roux or anyone else on the matter.
“We definitely talked about Bees in a team context,” De Villiers said, “We feel for all South Africans and especially rugby players because a situation like this can happen to anybody. It is a tragic situation and we wish it on nobody.
“The team supports him 100 per cent, not on the deed but rather on the circumstances that led to the situation developing.”
(Comments from PDV reported on Superrugby)
To this:
Peter de Villiers backs accused murderer
(Headline from another newspaper)
Especially given that Roux is citing self-defence in his case which won’t surprise me after reading just this morning how a guy was forced off the road by cops, R5′s to the head driven to a secluded location, dropped off with guns pressed against their heads while the cops drove off with their car and the car they transported them in leaving them right there…
1 Sep 2010, 12:55 pm
@katman(katman)-84:
Sacking the clown isn’t at the capacity of SARU, it’s a high level decision at the anc hierarchy. I doubt JC is privvy to their inner caucus.
1 Sep 2010, 12:57 pm
It wont happen. One thing all South African rugby supporters know is that SARU has never been rational. PDV is here to stay until the world cup…. Dare I say if he was white the news papers would have gone crazy. “Bok coach supports cop killer!”
1 Sep 2010, 12:57 pm
@gray(gray)-100: I didn’t know that.
1 Sep 2010, 13:00 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-105: Yes, now I’m all for freedom of the press but seriously, some of the cr ap we read is just downright irresponsible. This article is a good example of how to twist words to your own end. I mean please. By all means write an opinion piece but don’t try and pass it off as “insider knowledge” or fact.
1 Sep 2010, 13:00 pm
Anycase, this is a bullshit thread and I have spent far too long on it already.
1 Sep 2010, 13:03 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-107:
he is not a killer, only in your mumbled, fume loaded dead brain, all indications are he was hijacked by armed black cops and acted in self defence.
1 Sep 2010, 13:03 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-99: Khompela took Mentz to task over it. Mentz famously retorted “What about the Makaya Ntini rape case?”
1 Sep 2010, 13:04 pm
Its funny how most of you play to the medias hands.Its a fact that you never liked PdV from the start,no matter how his record is better than JW record after same time as Pdv.
Media has always told us what PdV meant that what he said.Then we came to sites like to argue about what he meant rather than what he really said.The journalist are always laughing in those press conferences yet when its done,they write about how embarrassing PdV is.
Can somebody show me what exatly was wrong with what PdV said!If the boks did not agree with him,how come the captain is not saying it as he represents the whole team? Most rugby players and the teams BEES played for supports him,why is it so wrong when PdV says the “BOKS” supports him??
Right now people think RUGBY players are ruthless and kill people(balcks to be specific),when the highest coach goes out to protect his sport by supporting a rugby player,he is seen as a disgrace??
You guys need to think for once.Do you want PdV to go cause he is really a bad coach or you just hate him due to the circumstances he was hired under…
1 Sep 2010, 13:04 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-109:
Use some brain work if you have any, you don’t ned any ‘free press’ to figure what happened there!
1 Sep 2010, 13:07 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-114: Que? You talking to me?
1 Sep 2010, 13:08 pm
@Virus(Virus)-113: The one leads to the other- how can you separate them? He IS a bad coach and was hired for political motives only- to appease the big-wigs. In that time he has done sweet ******
1 Sep 2010, 13:09 pm
@Kobus Kitty(Kobus Kitty)-33:
Perhaps not a risky as we think – it can only get better.
We have so much talent in SA, yet we produce performances like we have of late. How can this be? SA rugby should be setting the trend worldwide with the players at our disposal, any other national coach would be in his element, and yet we ….
1 Sep 2010, 13:10 pm
@Virus(Virus)-113: Well, since you ask, let’s look at what he said:
“We definitely talked about Bees in a team context,” De Villiers said, “We feel for all South Africans and especially rugby players because a situation like this can happen to anybody. It is a tragic situation and we wish it on nobody.
“The team supports him 100 per cent, not on the deed but rather on the circumstances that led to the situation developing.”
WTF? We feel for all South Africans and especially rugby players because a situation like this can happen to anybody?
What does this even mean? A situation whereby you inadvertently beat someone to death against the tarmac can happen to anybody, particularly if you’re a rugby player?
Why don’t you tell me exactly what this clown meant when he spoke that garbage.
1 Sep 2010, 13:10 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-111: Please dont overreact like that, you’re embarrassing yourself. All im saying is that the media sensationalize stories more than often and if he was a white bok coach the headlines would have been more radical. I just gave an example. Stop being so sensitive to peoples opinions.
1 Sep 2010, 13:10 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-111: Indulge us, Hondo. What are those indications?
1 Sep 2010, 13:12 pm
what so the bok coach is gone ? has he been fired or not can we make we now for mallet
1 Sep 2010, 13:13 pm
@Virus(Virus)-113:
Agree about the article – it may have been taken out of context.
However, the performance of Pdv cannot – the team has suffered under his tutorship and something needs to be done urgently. It’s not about race but producing quality rugby whoever is on the field and coaching.
1 Sep 2010, 13:14 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-116: So whats it like participating in the coaching sessions, discussing tactics with the coaches etc as you’ve no doubt been there in order to make that informed comment/observation.
I understood from the senior players that they were very impressed with PDV with FDP even saying 2009 was the best time he has ever had playing for and with the Bokke, so I’m kind of mixed up with these conflicting reports we are getting. Can you shed some light please.
1 Sep 2010, 13:15 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-111: It’s exactly this sort of statement I’m talking about. Based on nothing other than how you would like it to be, and not on any real facts whatsoever.
1 Sep 2010, 13:16 pm
whats wrong with backing Bees Roux ? he might have acted in self defence tis not like violent crime in sa is a surprise i hate walking thru dark joburg carparks and its worse when u see someone sitting near your car
i know a cop was killed but still what if the cop is guilty
1 Sep 2010, 13:20 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-123: Back in Kamp Staaldraad days the Boks were saying that everything was hunkey-dorey. A springbok would not come out and call a spade a spade when his livelihood is on the chopping block. As long as he supports the coach and gets picked every week we will have to wait for his book to see the truth.
1 Sep 2010, 13:21 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !
God Save the Clown !
Long live Krusty !!!!!!
1 Sep 2010, 13:21 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-107:
“Dare I say if he was white the news papers would have gone crazy. “Bok coach supports cop killer!””
Unbeknown to you, some newspapers actually did use headlines like that. See PA’s post just before yours.
I can also argue that if the coach was white, the newspapers would’ve handled his support for Bees much more sympathetically. You just have to look at the way they handled JW extra marital affairs vs the rumour of a PdV affair in EL to know that.
Let’s not make it about colour, please.
1 Sep 2010, 13:23 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-125: We don’t know whether the cop was guilty. But we do know that Roux brutally beat him to death. And that’s why it’s not cool to pledge your unwavering support for the guy when all you know is that he killed a man. You reserve such statements for a time when you know more. Now it simply says that he/the Boks back their man regardless, even when he kills a cop. Do you see why this doesn’t look good at all?
1 Sep 2010, 13:25 pm
@bangkok-bok(bangkok-bok)-126: Well then do yourself a favour and read John Smits book as he has plenty to say about the coach, both positive and negative and believe his coaching abilities and team management are the positive comments, its his mouth that lets him down sometimes which has been openly discussed within the Bok leadership with him. It has been put down to the fact that he is Afrikaans speaking and battles to communicate in English.
1 Sep 2010, 13:27 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-130: That’s because Jake White was a decent coach…
1 Sep 2010, 13:28 pm
firstly…there’s a game to play and divvy hasn’t been fired yet. Pure speculation so far.
Boks had better win well otherwise it is definately curtains for him.
Secondly….limited duration contract for Heyneke Meyer until the end of the worldcup.
1 Sep 2010, 13:33 pm
are you mad JC, fire PDivvy? No have you not read Keo’s article backing him until 2015?
get real now and fall in line with your boss – back him do don’t break him – you are with him or against him.
1 Sep 2010, 13:34 pm
This proves that pdv will always make **** ups at press conferences, they didn’t even goad him into it he did it himself.
1 Sep 2010, 13:35 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-132: If this is true, then it explains the continued selection of the old guard.
1 Sep 2010, 13:35 pm
@nama1(nama1)-128: The sad fact is, we live South Africa and it will always be about color, or at least a subtext. It would have been so much different if he was white. Lets be honest. Its sad but true, because then it would have been much more political or at least have given the politicians and the media reason to make it a nasty racial issue. But youre right, there was no reason for me to have brought it up. I was just surprised how calm the media was in general.
1 Sep 2010, 13:37 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-132: To do what?
1 Sep 2010, 13:37 pm
be nice to see meyer coach the boks we have such great forwards and we need to have someone who knows how to make them fire
1 Sep 2010, 13:38 pm
@nama1(nama1)-128: And i dont know what newspapers youve been reading, but if a bok coach says something stupid or does something stupid, they are never sympathetic
1 Sep 2010, 13:38 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-138: I think it will be between Meyer and Coetzee after 2011.
1 Sep 2010, 13:42 pm
JC is it possible that you can sit on all the fingers you’re typing with?
1 Sep 2010, 13:43 pm
well if pdv gets the sack i feel sorry for him i just dont think he was ready but i think meyr has proven his worth and deserves the job
1 Sep 2010, 13:43 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-98: ahh yes and that too.
1 Sep 2010, 13:44 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-127: yeah sure mate that means you lot get to keep winning when really we have the talent to skin your asses! heheh No down with the clown. Die Krusty die!
1 Sep 2010, 13:44 pm
This from Iafrica.com:
Div in trouble… again
Article By: Jan de Koning
Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:49
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers will be ‘called in’ by his employers for another talking to about his public and media utterances.
However, De Villiers will not face any disciplinary hearing, at least not in the immediate future.
The latest outcry against the outspoken Bok coach came after he told a media gathering in Bloemfontein that the Springbok team is “100 percent” behind Blue Bulls prop Bees Roux, who faces murder charges after a metro police officer was killed in Pretoria last Friday.
Earlier reports suggested that De Villiers was expected to face a disciplinary hearing, because of his statement that the team is behind Roux.
However, South African Rugby Union President Oregan Hoskins revealed that there are no plans for a disciplinary hearing involving De Villiers.
Hoskins added that he will have a “heart-to-heart” with De Villiers about his statements in the media.
“We will talk after the Tri-Nations,” Hoskins told us.”
1 Sep 2010, 13:48 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-145: At least the Keo writers are very flexible. Being able to suck articles out of their own a-sses like that. so if PDv’s a clown they can team up with him and we’ll have a true circus.
1 Sep 2010, 13:50 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-111:
No that’s what I would call a “devisive shy.te stirring speculation”, MR HG.
Any comment from you?
1 Sep 2010, 13:52 pm
@katman(katman)-129: I dont even think we know for sure that Bees beat the guy to death. The whole story seems to be strange. i dont think anyone can really say much about this case till more is revealed. There seem to be too many inconsistencies. If he did beat the guy to death then obviously stuff him, but crazy things happen and people snap all the time.
The appropriate course of action for the Boks and Bulls is just say no comment at this time till more is known.
I do however feel for the guys family and the kids who now have to grow up without a father. That is simply not on. But perhaps theres a lot more to this story than meets the eye? Who knows.
1 Sep 2010, 13:52 pm
Give the job to Mitchell and Jake W until after the WC, and then give it Alistair C.
1 Sep 2010, 13:53 pm
guess we’ll find out from…”informed sources”…who has been approached to take over if snor get’s the boot.
can’t imagine in this situation so close to a WC that they will be holding interviews and collecting CV’s.
They’ll already know who they want up until the WC and then address the situation after that withregards to the long term and 4 year cycle.
1 Sep 2010, 13:54 pm
Pieter aint going anywhere…& meyer has proven himself with a 5yr plan, 15 players from all over the country bar pretoria & assistants from other provinces…WC is next yr we dont have all of the above to make him shine
1 Sep 2010, 13:57 pm
This is the last time Keo will see me. We’re just enriching the fucked up journo’s on here.
I found s banter site where the journo’s actually do some homework before publishing ***** like this.
Cheers, I’m out!
1 Sep 2010, 13:59 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-146: Yes, Isn;t it amazing that iafrica.com, a general news site, seems to have more accurate info than a rugby site? They at least have a quote, and have stopped short of giving any overt opinion about the issue.
1 Sep 2010, 14:00 pm
@Victor4CAPTAIN(UnbeataBULL)-152: and what site would that be/
1 Sep 2010, 14:00 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-151:
what pish, don’t forget the oke in charge of wp is not from cape town.
neither are most of the players
…at least heineke has proven himself, would be a first for a bok coach selection, really,if you think about it.
1 Sep 2010, 14:01 pm
so there will be no hearing so then this article doesnt matter ?
1 Sep 2010, 14:01 pm
JON, a clown that won the 3N and Lions series.. face it, no matter what he does or how he succeeds on the field you’ll want him gone..because when he suceeds on the field you’ll turn your full attention to any scrap said out of context off the field. KEO.co.za has never agreed with his appointement because it was an affirmative one.
All your articles will never change their tune until he’s gone. Remember Boks won a World Cup without playing France, NZ or AUS – just a second rate English side twice. Judge DIV on next year’s tournament.
1 Sep 2010, 14:02 pm
Despite this circus….Bokke will “klap” the Aussies this Saturday! 32 – 22
1 Sep 2010, 14:02 pm
If SARU axe PDV they would need to put their hand up and admit to a grave error in his appointment, especially since through all the external criticism of PDV they have time and again stated that he has their unequivocal backing until post RWC 2011.
I cannot see SARU willingly losing face to such a degree in that manner.
1 Sep 2010, 14:03 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-153: In defense of KEO, both iafrica.com and rugby365 are Primedia sites and they share their sports stories, so this was also printed on Rugby365.
1 Sep 2010, 14:03 pm
i remember under Mallets tenure hundreds of shirts displayeed at Bok games and Natal games with the “-UCK MALLET”
haven’t seen any for DIVVY yet?
perhaps we should start a trend, and the amount old fisherman clown loves us, the country and the boks surely he will just resign…
i cannot believe how springbok rugby has got to this point since the end of 2007, in the position we were with the players at our disposal.
I think its safe to say that in 2008 and 2009, we would not of lost half the games we did, if different coaching decisions had been made, and those lie with the current coaching team.
in 2009 the all blacks have been sublime and well we should not of lost in Aus.
Is it too late? It’s a valid point, but SARU doesnt have the balls…
1 Sep 2010, 14:03 pm
@Victor4CAPTAIN(UnbeataBULL)-152: Where?? You must lead us to the promised land.
1 Sep 2010, 14:05 pm
for the record…I think it is the wrong time for DeVilliers to go.
By all accounts, he still has the backing of his players and that is mighty important
1 Sep 2010, 14:06 pm
Yes much as it is tempting to believe, PdV wont be going anywhere. He is the first political coach of SA so is untouchable.
More worrying is the pair of testicles we call our assistant coaches who are absolute cr*p. Now those two whities should be sacked !!
1 Sep 2010, 14:06 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-139:
“…but if a bok coach says something stupid or does something stupid, they are never sympathetic”
And in PdV’s case, even more so. Worse than any Bok coach before him.
Maybe it’s just because he says a lot more stupid things than the previous coaches, who knows.
1 Sep 2010, 14:08 pm
why would people wear shirts that say @uck mallet we won a tri nations and 18 tests in a row wasnt it ?
his only mistake was he fired gary before the world cup
1 Sep 2010, 14:09 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-155: who is in charge of WP? rassie is in charge of the U21′s LOL…’neither are most of the players’ ??
1 Sep 2010, 14:09 pm
LOL
Peter De Villiers
is
such
a
m.o.n.k.e.y
1 Sep 2010, 14:10 pm
@Seven(Seven)-161: What are you smoking? In 2009 we won the 5 games in the 3N’s and beat the B&I Lions. Up until this year (2010 that is) we have had an incredible record in Internationals. Also 2010 has been blighted by injuries and suspensions and we beat the Ozzies on Saturday without FDP and Bakkies and with 3 players recently back in JF, JPP and Juan Smith
1 Sep 2010, 14:11 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-144:
what ever happened to the unanimous Keo-verdict in 2009 that Krusty was the ‘Wee Maestro’ ?
1 Sep 2010, 14:12 pm
Ofcourse he wont be fired
Affirmative action is God in SA
1 Sep 2010, 14:12 pm
****! is it that serious? come on, the guy has said worse things……
i for one thinks he means well, but from the signal from the brain to the mouth somewhere all get’s mangled into something weird.
good luck pdivvy.
who’ll replace him? PLEASE DON’T SAY ****!
in fact, i think both his henchman should leave with him.
1 Sep 2010, 14:12 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-169:incredible record under PDV that is
1 Sep 2010, 14:12 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-160: so what you’re telling us is that Keo & his ladies copies articles & uploads it here?
1 Sep 2010, 14:13 pm
@klippies101(klippies101)-166: Nick wasn’t that well liked by all the players. His style was a bit too abrasive for some. Plus he comes from the WP which annoyed some of the other players.
1 Sep 2010, 14:13 pm
@puff(puff)-60: PDV did not pick Brussow.
1 Sep 2010, 14:15 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-174: NO, the opposite. Iafrica & Rugby 365 share articles. Keo’s minions dream up their own. The Iafrica & Rugby365 articles are the same, by Jan De Koning. That article actually has a quote from Hoskins. I was critical of the fact that a general news blog like iafrica was closer to the truth than a specialist Rugby one like Keo.
1 Sep 2010, 14:17 pm
@nama1(nama1)-165: Thats seems to be the case yes. Poor guy. If he didnt have such a bad track record with is mouth, there would probably not have been articles like this… Because his rugby record is definitely not the worst and frankly still not a bad one…
1 Sep 2010, 14:17 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-174: Although I’m not saying that that’s never happened…..
Just Kidding Ryan. Please don’t email me….
1 Sep 2010, 14:21 pm
@willievz(willievz)-176:
Correct
Fate picked BRussow through 2 injuries
PDV did not
1 Sep 2010, 14:22 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-172:
Agreed
PDV and his moron selectors/coaches should be sacked
1 Sep 2010, 14:24 pm
SAVE OUR BOKS
S.0.B
Fire the Morons
1 Sep 2010, 14:24 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-177: ‘I was critical of the fact that a general news blog like iafrica was closer to the truth than a specialist Rugby one like Keo.’…must admit I never thought so highly of this circus
1 Sep 2010, 14:24 pm
a few points….if i may.
1…IMO PDV should go…..and just as importantly, take the other 2 stooges with him.
2 For both rugby and other reasons…..the 3 stooges are just not equipped.
3 key will be who will be appointed? I would try Mitchell….Jones….Mallet,AC or H Meyer.
However….these coaches would want to, rightly, appoint there own back up staff…..so this is not just PDV…this is a palace coup!
4 Plod must go as well….any new coach should not be unfairly handed the Fat Boys Club….
5 Will PDV go?
Lets wait till Sunday…..but if it were up to me….i would say let him go…..not only is he not improving as a coach….he continues to make insane comments to the Press….
Truth is SA rugby should be enjoying a golden age….instead we have regressed.
Always said 2010 would be a watershed year for boks…
1 Sep 2010, 14:27 pm
Some stange opinion on here…
1 Sep 2010, 14:28 pm
Just something to consider:
PDV speaks to the media in his second language.
He should be allowed to voice his comments in Afrikaans.
1 Sep 2010, 14:31 pm
@grant10(grant10)-184: I just don’t see any of it actually happening….
1 Sep 2010, 14:32 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-183: LOL but we live in hope and expectation….
1 Sep 2010, 14:33 pm
the truth is no other coach would have given the senior players so much rope and no other coach would have been able to do so well in 2009. he managed the players, he didn’t coach them….partly because he doesn’t know how to.
1 Sep 2010, 14:33 pm
@willievz(willievz)-186: correct…it’s like saying juju also speaks in his 2nd language which equates to bullsh!t LOLOLOLOLOLOL
1 Sep 2010, 14:33 pm
Don;t start degrading our Wc win you **** head!!!
That England side beat Aus and France – ******
1 Sep 2010, 14:34 pm
@flamed(flamed)-157:
Don;t start degrading our Wc win you **** head!!!
That England side beat Aus and France – ******
1 Sep 2010, 14:35 pm
I will be quite surprised if he actually goes
1 Sep 2010, 14:37 pm
@Mike H(Mike H)-192:
OK, so those were Engls’ opponents………
and SA’s ?
keep rolling that dice.
1 Sep 2010, 14:38 pm
now appoint heyneke meyer so we can shut up the bulls supporters and then give rassie a go after 2 years…..
only Heyneke can get the best out of those old bulls legs….vic, bakkies, du preez, morne, habana etc
1 Sep 2010, 14:38 pm
Why, when I read about Pdivvy’s “you are either with us or against us” rant did I automatically think about Keo and his story tellers, and especially of their efforts last week. This hatchet job was expected.
1 Sep 2010, 14:38 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-169: what are you smoking?
in 2009 we lost/gave away the final lions lest, another in the trinations, and got SMASHED BY FRANCE AND IRELAND ON END OF YEAR TOUR!
1 Sep 2010, 14:40 pm
@willievz(willievz)-186: Willie he sounds better in English. That Helium voice and Afrikans don’t mix so Lekker, djy varstaan!
1 Sep 2010, 14:40 pm
why should he go? ….you’re just tsatsarag!
1 Sep 2010, 14:41 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-194: England beat Australia. It’s not our fault France beat you okes (again) and you didn’t earn the right to contest the final against the Champions…..
1 Sep 2010, 14:41 pm
SO TAKE THAT BANANA AND FIND SNOR IN A PARKING LOT
1 Sep 2010, 14:41 pm
@willievz(willievz)-186: Do you think that Harry Viljoen or Rudolph Straulie or Carel Du Plessis would have been afforded that excuse? Because I don’t. It’s not how he says things, it’s what he says that’s so shocking. I just don’t think he has the intelligence – intellectual or emotional – to cope with this job.
1 Sep 2010, 14:43 pm
@willievz(willievz)-176:
He picked him for the 2008 EOY tour already. Made his test debut as a sub during that tour. People tend to forget that, it seems.
1 Sep 2010, 14:44 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-194:
If you win next year we’ll make sure to degrade it as well.
It was a great WC win by a fantastic team – end of story
If england could beat Aus and France and France could beat NZ, well then Aus, France and the NZ sucked.
He hammered Eng in the group stages and won a competitive final.
Learn to play WC winning rugby before you come degrade our cup
1 Sep 2010, 14:44 pm
jeepers….if they appoint Jake Luke could be the next captain!!!
Oh hell….i reckon keo will be like a circus….that happens i will sommer pay an entrance fee to read the site…
1 Sep 2010, 14:45 pm
@nama1(nama1)-203: You are right, people forget it.
But he picked Schalk as the sole opensider for the BIL series in 2009.
Brussow was not even in the initial group.
1 Sep 2010, 14:46 pm
@grant10(grant10)-205: It’s all part of Keo’s master plan…..
1 Sep 2010, 14:47 pm
Oh joy I see we’ve been afforded the luxury of Wayne Barnes for Saturday’s match. Why do they persist with these Northern Hemisphere clowns for a Southern Hemisphere based competition?
1 Sep 2010, 14:48 pm
JC u an idiot !
1 Sep 2010, 14:48 pm
My World Cup Squad and Coaching staff:
TEAM
15. Francious Steyn
14. Gio Aplon
13. Jaque Fourie
12. Jean de Villiers
11. JP Peterson
10. Butch James
9. Fourie Du Preez (vc)
8. Piere Spies
7. Juan Smith (c)
6. Schalck Burger
5. Andries Bekker
4. Victor Mattfield
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. Bismark du Plessis
1. Tandai Mtwarira
16. John Smit (Still need his leadership in the side)
17. CJ van der Linde
18. Flip van der Merwe
19. Ryan Kankowski
20. Francious Hougaardt
21. Morne Steyn
22. Bryan Habana
COACHING STAFF
HEAD COACH: Heynike Meyer
ASSISTANT COACH: Alister Coetzee
TECHNICAL ADVISOR: Jake white
FORWARDS COACH: Os du Randt
BACKLINE COACH: Eddy Jones
DEFENCE COACH: Jaque Nienaber
KICKING COACH: Percy Montgommary
I think that could win us another world cup!
1 Sep 2010, 14:48 pm
if pdv is fired it will be ironic.fired for standing up for the same people who are out to lynch him.
1 Sep 2010, 14:52 pm
pdv HAS ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE HIJACKED BY THE INNER SANCTUM OF THE FAT BOYS CLUB.
But if he takes the bullet….where will the fat boys be?
Hiding with there staaldaks in the trenches….
pdv chose kak friends….and cast away true ones.
1 Sep 2010, 14:52 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-211:
Dont worry PFV will never be fired before the world cup
Affirmative Action wont allow it
1 Sep 2010, 14:53 pm
PFV
PDV
whats the difference?
1 Sep 2010, 14:55 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-210: bj BETTER THAN JANNIE AND your lock combo is as fickle as fickle can be
1 Sep 2010, 14:56 pm
aussie team named
1 Sep 2010, 14:57 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-194: And who were your opponents? And perhaps you can enlighten us with the score against your opponents please? Apparently SA were still in the game and were allowed to keep rolling the dice, whilst the AB’s were in their changing rooms sobbing, not wanting to take off those lovely Grey jumpers because it may be last time they wore them…sob….sob. But Mommy I don’t want to go home now…
What you fail to realize is since ’87 your choke’s have mounted and mounted and are now so firmly etched in your nations psyche and insecurity, that it babble through the likes of your and TheTacklers comments. You have blamed Suzie, Fwd passes, John Mitchell & Carlos Spencer, now cometh the hour in 2011 on home soil where you can control all conditions you will have nowhere to hide. The pressure will crack your fragile, insecure backs as quickly as one of those tin shack arenas you call stadiums, will crumble under a collective Vuvuzela blast (oh hang on those have been banned). As has been seen over the years, the AB’s when put under pressure fold like a pack of playing cards. So forget about the bullying old Yarpies and their comedian coach, the hairy cavemen and co from France, the neanderthal old white pommies from up north and worry about your own game and we all know how that will end.
So stop trying to define yourself by the success of your Rugby team and your Sailing team, even though it is all you have.
So well done and keep your 10 TN’s titles and your Bledisloe Cups and we’ll keep our 3 TN titles and our 2 World Cups and World Champion title for now thanks.
1 Sep 2010, 14:58 pm
@katman(katman)-202: “It’s not how he says things, it’s what he says that’s so shocking.”
The problem is that “how” and “what” are interrelated. He thinks in Afrikaans, and speaks in English.
If you are talking or engaging in conversation about issues of significance, you can easily be misinterpreted, only because of an inappropriate translation from your side.
This is precisely why the French president will speak French in the EU parliament, or the German councellor German, because they can say it best in their mother tongue and convey the message to the world in the most accurate fashion.
Can you imagine them speaking about very sensitive issues such as war or nuclear power in English? Not only will they be on the intellectual backfoot and appear less confident and hence less capable leaders, but they can easily be misinterpreted in a world where the media fraternity is ruthless and sensationalist.
Spanish and Brazilian football coaches also speak to the media in their mother tongue. So does the badminton coach of South Korea. They have interpreters if people are interested in what they are saying.
I don’t care if Rudolf, Harry or Carel could speak their second sandwich more deliciously than PDV. The latter should have a fair chance to speak in a language in which he feels most comfortable in. We are living in an open and democratic society after all.
1 Sep 2010, 14:59 pm
All the Drama! I don’t get why more women don’t follow rugby. There is no soap opera that can possibly be more entertaining.
1 Sep 2010, 15:00 pm
@willievz(willievz)-218: German chancellor, sorry.
English is my second language too.
1 Sep 2010, 15:00 pm
one thing is clear, jon cardinelli can’t stand PDV!
hahahahahahahahahaha
1 Sep 2010, 15:01 pm
@toddke(toddke)-217:
and when you start with “AND……” then that would suggest you had already provided the answer.
You have not.
It could almost be suggested you were somewhat embarrassed to do so. Why is that ?
1 Sep 2010, 15:02 pm
@willievz(willievz)-206:
So did most bloggers on this website. What with the “aura and presence” Schalk has on the field. Only a few people like G10, Skoppie etc were adamant that HB should replace Schalk. They were ridiculed for their view.
It was only AFTER the Lions matches that people became HB groupies and PdV the fool for not selecting him in the first place.
1 Sep 2010, 15:02 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-219: almost as good as Binnelanders!
1 Sep 2010, 15:04 pm
@nama1(nama1)-223: i was almost burnt at the stake for saying Schalk is no opensider and Smit is no 3…..
Bloody okes wanted to murder me.
Heinrich or Steggmann….always play an opensider….
Now we win at Loftus and the opensider debate is open again?
Saffas are a bit dof…..
1 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
@grant10(grant10)-212: grant you are a stuck record, you should write for this site the amount of time you waste on it…
by the war loving the currie cup..
when was the last time the stormers/western province beat my boys in a competitive match?
1 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-86: Actually no. He had to pick Brussouw based on form – but only considered him a faint possibility to try out for the disastrous EOYT – no doubt he had him bracketed behind Davon Raubenheimer ahem cough cough…
His hand was however forced by Burger´s injury. In addition Burger was out of form at that time last year. Brussouw I always felt was reluctantly picked because he had no choice and no solid backup at 6.
Ditto with Morne Steyn – I mean how the hell could you not acknowledge the guys superiority after the Super 14 quarters, semis and finals?
Then he had to play second fiddle to PDV´s FIRST choice who he was determined to continue with until the latter got injured.
Now Ruaan´s ok but apart from the match against England I cant say anyone was 100% convinced that he was the one. He has great attributes and as a backup Id say yeah great. But Pdiv wasnt having any of it.
No mate credit where its due – when a player is on fire he needs to get his chances and the out of form players need to sit back and get hungry. habana could certainly do with watching from the ubs bench at the moment for one.
1 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
cheers
outta here
1 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
@nama1(nama1)-223: In my defense, I also strongly advocated Heinrich in 2008 already, but did not blog on keo from 2007 to 2009.
But yes, us Saffas are quick to praise the brilliance of the Boks one day and to crucify them the next day.
John Smit is a classic example.
1 Sep 2010, 15:06 pm
@Seven(Seven)-226: sharks too strong for us capeys….
not here as much as i used too.
Gotta pay the piper….
1 Sep 2010, 15:06 pm
@grant10(grant10)-224: No, should rather be called “Onder draai die Duiwel rond”….
1 Sep 2010, 15:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-221: LOL What gives you that Idea?
Surely you can find an “archived” article that shows JC up for heaping praise of PDV and his charges for their masterful display of next generation rugby?
1 Sep 2010, 15:10 pm
This site has become like ‘Ask Sister Ruth’
Some real primadonnas!!!
1 Sep 2010, 15:11 pm
@grant10(grant10)-224: Yoh! Unbelieveable stuff. Like hearing that Brooke that was married to Eric and Ridge etc is going to marry her son or something.
Pdv is coming accross as very George Bush these days. Nee wat Pdv, jy gaan ge fire word.
1 Sep 2010, 15:11 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-227: Just like Jake didn’t pick on-fire Luke in 2006?
1 Sep 2010, 15:14 pm
@willievz(willievz)-218: With all due respect, that’s nonsense. Defending an eye-gouge would have been equally unacceptable in beautiful Afrikaans. Ditto for “backing” a cop killer. Or speculating on referees favouring the future WC hosts. That’s ludicrous content, not poor translation. He’s a fool, and he’s an embarrassment to us, SA rugby fans. And we should bin this crazy political correctness and call a clown a clown.
1 Sep 2010, 15:16 pm
@Mike H(Mike H)-204: Well done, you can’t argue with that.
And if NZ where that great in 2007 then one “forward pass” should not have been the game for them, they should have been 10 to 14 points up on France.
1 Sep 2010, 15:17 pm
@katman(katman)-236:
On the eye gouge – point taken.
On Bees – I believe he has been misinterpreted.
On referees – I am not so sure that he is completely wrong altogether.
1 Sep 2010, 15:18 pm
@grant10(grant10)-224: Do you seriously watch Binnelanders? Ag nee man. The ladies at my office are 7de laan chicks, not that I have a clue as to what they are talking about.
1 Sep 2010, 15:19 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-208: Wayne Barnes for ref this weekend? Well at least there can’t be any after match complaints when you have been given such a perfect ref for the game
1 Sep 2010, 15:20 pm
Since we’re all putting our respective teams up on this blog, here goes:
15 F Steyn
14 JP
13 JdJ
12 JdV
11 Basson/Mvovo
10 James
9 Hougaard
8 Kanko
7 Smith c
6 Stegman
5 Bekker (if fit)
4 Sykes
3 BJ
2 Bissie
1 Beast.
16 Botha, 17 CJ, 18 Hargreaves, 19 Pottie, 20 Anyone but Januarie, 21 Lambie/jantjes, 22 Mapoe
Good mix of experience and youth I think. Plus, very importantly there are players there who know the NH conditions (Frans Steyn, JdV, Butch, BJ, Botha).
1 Sep 2010, 15:21 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-219:
The ‘verkramptes” in S.A., like the Mormon groups(Utah,Texas etc.) in the U.S. because of their cultural leanings and tendencies give rise to the most SOAPY of soap operas.
1 Sep 2010, 15:24 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-189:
Logie
Just shows how much you actually know about PDV.
He has been coaching for many many years.
I would even go as far as to say that he has coached longer than either of HM, Rassie, Coetzee or Jake White.
1 Sep 2010, 15:25 pm
why would PDV even stand up for a murdering farmer like bees roux thats just dumb they dont even like PDV.
If PDV gets fired it serves him right and he should have nothing to do with rugby again the same should be done to rouxs rugby friends who support him but not the action.
And then all the selectors who picked henry tromp ,the original murdering farmer, should be banned from rugby altogether and his springbok friends should all return their blazers
1 Sep 2010, 15:26 pm
Is this actually a possibility of is it just JC ranting again?
1 Sep 2010, 15:27 pm
lock bees roux up and throw away the key or hang him he is a murderer
1 Sep 2010, 15:28 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-227:
Heinrich played his first game under PdV against England on 22 November 2008.
So yes, he did pick him based on his form in 2008 already.
No, he did not bracketed HB behind Davonheimer as the latter did not go on that tour.
No, his hand was not forced by SB’s injury.
He had HB as his back up for SB all along (The fact that HB toured in 2008 is prove of this). It’s just that he rated SB his no. 1 open side flanker, as did a lot of rugby followers at that stage. Maybe even you.
Every coach has his first choice players. Morne, for years, had to play second fiddle to Liefling under HM, not so?
1 Sep 2010, 15:28 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-222: embarrassed of what? Not of a World Cup win that is for sure. Like I said, take your TN titles and #1 ranking and do what you want. Go tell everyone how wonderful you are. Well done and good luck, just don’t bring your BS to forums and start questioning everyones intelligence. Fact remain SA 2 WC wins and NZ 1. So no matter how much you spit your dummy/pacifier out the cot, the FACTS and yes the ANSWER remains the same. But if you are so confident of your team, go bet all your dough on them. Go for it, do yourself a favour. Good luck fella, I’ll support you all the way.
1 Sep 2010, 15:29 pm
@grant10(grant10)-216:
This Aussie team is bad
Weakest since the 1960s
1 Sep 2010, 15:29 pm
zero tolerance for cop killers and their supporters
1 Sep 2010, 15:31 pm
@nama1(nama1)-247:
Dont post lies boet
The only reason PDV the idiot picked Brussow was because
Destiny intervened and there were 2 injuries that paved the way
for Brussow to be picked
1 Sep 2010, 15:32 pm
Peter De Villiers of ALL previous ‘Bok coaches is the one who has clearly NOT been given a free ride.
We have the ‘verkramptes’ in the SARU structures(eg. President’s Council) to thank for that when they deliberately and thoughtfully instructed their other puppet, Hoskins, to tell the whole world that PDeV was not the best man for that job during the very speech that they announced his appointment. The poor man had been harrassed and compromised from the first minute in this job and his first serious comment on that appointment deliberately refferred to that poisoned Hoskin’s uttering.
To sack him now, or before 2011WC, would be the final piece in the puzzle of the blackmail that this man has had to endure and would save the real perpetrators of the present mess in rugby(and there are many) from the culpability that they should answer to.
1 Sep 2010, 15:32 pm
@nama1(nama1)-223: yep you’re quite right! The majority of people on this site didn’t want Brussow!
Knowing how many Jake White groupies are on this site you can imagine the frenzy when this article dropped
‘Madness to drop Schalk’
Jake White believes statistics don’t reveal
Schalk Burger’s true value to the Springboks.
Heinrich Brüssow made his Bok debut off
the bench in last year ’s 42-6 hiding over
England at Twickenham, while Burger had
been at his irrepressible best – especially on
defence – for the full 80.
Before Saturday’s final round of Super 14
fixtures however, Cheetahs opensider
Brüssow had better numbers when
compared to Bok incumbent Burger.
The statistics show that Brüssow has
bettered Burger in areas such as the tackle
and breakdown, but White believes
statistics don ’t tell the entire story as a team
that is forced to make more tackles would
inflate a player ’s stats in this regard.
Brüssow had made 205 and missed just 30
tackles in 903 minutes of rugby (before the
final round), compared to Burger ’s 116
completed and 35 slipped in 774 minutes.
‘You don’t pick rugby teams based only on
stats,’ White told The Sunday Times. ‘The
tackle-count stats are only relevant if the
opposing teams are making a similar
number of tackles.
Brüssow made 25 tackles
against the Bulls, out of 237 tackles by the
Cheetahs, which is massive. But look at the
amount of defending his team was forced
to do.
‘Tackles missed is a more vital stat, and if
the difference is marginal, then what’s the
big deal? The reality is that Schalk Burger
can tackle and he has made 25 tackles in a
Test before, so why are we suddenly
concerned he won ’t do it again?’
At the breakdown, the Cheetahs flank had
forced 24 turnovers compared to Burger ’s
three, while the former had hit 80 rucks
compared to Burger ’s 52. Brüssow has
conceded nine turnovers and 18 handling
errors, compared to 15 and 22 respectively
from Burger.
In a likely Bok loose-trio of Burger, Juan
Smith and Pierre Spies the Boks would then
have five lineout options – an area that is
expected to be crucial in the Lions series –
and here Burger edges the shorter Brüssow.
Burger has won eight set-pieces compared
to Brüssow ’s one and has also fielded four
kick-offs to one. Burger has passed 102
times to Brüssow ’s 65, as well as having
more offloads – nine to seven.
These statistics for the Super 14 may point
to a case for starting Brüssow against the
Lions, but White is amazed this is even
being contemplated.
‘Schalk is the best rugby player I’ve ever
coached,’ he said. ‘The reason for that is
simple — he’s the difference between
winning and losing Test matches. Any guy
who has that ability — a Jonah Lomu or a
Jonny Wilkinson — has to be in your side.
‘That kind of player, who when he plays
ensures the team is vastly better than when
he doesn ’t play, is special. Burger is that
guy. He is the kind of player coaches can’t
do without,’ said the former Bok coach.
‘Why would you want to drop a 1.93m, 49-
Test veteran who’s won a junior and senior
World Cup and is only 26, for a player with
one Test cap in the most important series in
the last decade?
‘Is dropping a player going to change the
team or improve the team? If it’s the
former, then why do it? If the answer is the
latter, then it ’s the right move.
‘Can we honestly say that at Test level
dropping Schalk Burger will improve the
team ?’
This entry was posted on Monday, May
18th, 2009
1 Sep 2010, 15:34 pm
@nama1(nama1)-247: I think it is accurate to say that he had HB as a backup for Burger on the EOYT in 2008.
But I also think it is accurate to say that he had no backup for Burger in 2009.
He did not even select Brussow in the initial group for the BIL series speaks books to me about how highly he rated Schalk as an opensider and the value he thought Brussow would add in the broader group.
What if Schalk got injured in the match, with no Brussow on the wood?
Maybe he thought a Kanko-like player would do a good job…
1 Sep 2010, 15:34 pm
@nama1(nama1)-247: Davon Raubenheimer is superkak and there’s no two ways about it. Was a paid spectator on that tour…
1 Sep 2010, 15:36 pm
Anyone know if this will actually happen??
1 Sep 2010, 15:36 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-250:
agreed and zero tolerance for the ANC fraudulent activity
1 Sep 2010, 15:36 pm
Peter De Villiers Coaching CV
2008: Springboks
2007: Emerging Springboks [IRB Nations Cup - Winners]
2006: Springboks u21 [IRB World Championships - 2nd]
2005: Springboks u21 [IRB World Championships - Winners]
2004: Springboks u21 [IRB World Championships - 3rd]
2003: Valke\Falcons [Currie Cup]
2002: Valke\Falcons [Currie Cup]
1999: Springboks u19 [IRB World Championships - 3rd]
1998: Springboks u19 & Assistant coach WP Vodacom Cup
1997: Tygerberg [Club Rugby] & WP Disas
1996: Tygerberg [Club Rugby]
1 Sep 2010, 15:37 pm
Coach – Correctional Services, Western Cape
(1994 – 1996)
Coach – Athlone College, Cape Town
(1993 – 1993)
1 Sep 2010, 15:38 pm
@WP_(WP_)-256:
It won’t
1 Sep 2010, 15:38 pm
@grant10(grant10)-212:
The plot comes closer and day by day to my reading of the real rugby situation in the country.
To overcome your enemy you need to know how they think and why, and SACOS knew that like no other and brought racist sport to its knees.
1 Sep 2010, 15:39 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-260: Just a JC rant then. Thought as much…
1 Sep 2010, 15:39 pm
PDV is a rugby clown
We all know that
1 Sep 2010, 15:39 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-250: If you’re gonna troll, at least change your nick. You are destroying a wonderful rugby legacy with your ignorance.
1 Sep 2010, 15:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-253: Burger might be the best Springbok player, but he is not an opensider.
Selecting him at opensider severly reduces the potency of the loose trio, on attack and defense.
I have been a keyboard warrior on this issue for far too long.
1 Sep 2010, 15:40 pm
@WP_(WP_)-256: I doubt it. Read the article on Rugby365.com for a better balanced article, complete with quotes from Hoskins.
1 Sep 2010, 15:40 pm
@wpw(wpw)-259:
There is no ATHLONE College in Cape Town.
There is similar in the S.Cape area.
1 Sep 2010, 15:40 pm
@WP_(WP_)-262:
1 Sep 2010, 15:40 pm
@wpw(wpw)-258: Quite a good CV. Now just to add the WC to that.
1 Sep 2010, 15:42 pm
@willievz(willievz)-265:
Burger is not the best Bok player, come on dude get real
1 Sep 2010, 15:42 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-257: what fraudulent activity. There are know thieves in the ANC they only take a small percentage of whats owed to them.
down with racist farming murderers
1 Sep 2010, 15:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-253: Aint it funny, how many are citing Heineke’s non selection (initially) as a reason why PDV does not know anything about Rugby, and in the same breath want Jake White back, the one guy who says as per your quotes that Schalk would be the first guy he picks??
Herd mentality comes to mind……
1 Sep 2010, 15:45 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-266: Yeah it’ll be like last time he got in trouble, slap on the wrist and a tap on the arse, and he’s away.
1 Sep 2010, 15:45 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-271:
What country do you live in halfwit?
1 Sep 2010, 15:46 pm
I think SARU find themselves in a position now, where even if they wanted to get rid of PDV, they actually couldn’t because of their own statements and actions since his appointment.
This is just the typical agenda-backed opinionated rant of an article we’ve become so accustomed to on this site.
1 Sep 2010, 15:46 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-251:
What part of my comment is a lie?
1 Sep 2010, 15:46 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-264: yo siesa ignorance destruction and legacy in the same sentence you must b a uct girl
1 Sep 2010, 15:49 pm
@willievz(willievz)-254: @willievz(willievz)-265: how much was the potency of the loose trio reduced last weekend? Was david pocock even a factor? How did that happen?
1 Sep 2010, 15:50 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-277: Stellenbosch boy actually.
1 Sep 2010, 15:51 pm
This is a biased opinion piece. It has been presented as fact.
1 Sep 2010, 15:51 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-264: im a part of that legacy why would i want to destroy it. The original SARU that is not this bastardised version
1 Sep 2010, 15:51 pm
@ET(ET)-267:
Athlone College was situated in Paarl. Don’t ask me why it had that name.
1 Sep 2010, 15:52 pm
I see Wayne Barnes will be refereeing the match on Saturday.
1 Sep 2010, 15:52 pm
Is this an opinion piece or a well resarched article? As a report, it does not cut the mustard, as it is full of innuendo and speculation, as an opinion piece, it comes across as a report. What is it JC?
As for PDV, he has made some outrageous comments,and we have had coaches fired for less.
If, and I repeat if he is fired due his latest gaff, we need a coach that can hit the ground running. Maybe Rassie, or Coetzee who has surprised me with his coaching of the Stormers and WP this season
1 Sep 2010, 15:52 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-222: “AND” yes I do know the Answer:
2007 WC
NZ v Portugal = NZ Won
NZ v Romania = NZ Won
NZ v Italy = NZ Won
NZ v Scotland = NZ Won
NZ v France = NZ Lost
2003 WC
NZ v Wales = NZ Won
NZ v Canada = NZ Won
NZ v Tonga = NZ Won
NZ v Italy = NZ Won
NZ v SA = NZ Won
NZ v Australia = NZ Lost
So let’s apply your brilliant analysis to SA 2007 WC campaign. So NZ beat the mighty, Portugal, Romania, Italy and even Scotland? Wow amazing. But because of Wayne Barnes lost to France, sorry about that sport.
And what about the 2003 WC? The mighty Wales, Canada, Tonga, Italy and even those filthy yarpies. But again in a match of consequence against a top tier team you lost again, but this time it was Carlos Spencer and John Mitchells fault.
But according to your logic SA cannot be called World Champions because we only beat England (Defending World Champs) twice and the Argies. The truth is however, you haven’t beaten any team of any significance in any recent World Cup. But we all know that apart from yourself and TheTackler (whom until a couple WC’s ago – was still supporting the green & Gold).
Lets just end off with this shall we, so you can get over your WC insecurities and actually go celebrate your nations current success:
WC Success rate
Team Appearances Won Win rate (Tournaments) Win rate (Matches)
South Africa 4 2 50% 86%
Australia 6 2 33% 85%
New Zealand 6 1 17% 83%
England 6 1 17% 73%
1 Sep 2010, 15:52 pm
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-269:
Did you know he actually started coaching back in the 80′s, in Kimberley!!
1 Sep 2010, 15:53 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-279: then you must be a bunny
1 Sep 2010, 15:53 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-277:
You are an idiot don’t you think?
Does the wealth of a country belong to the few elite
who rule it and defraud it and not the masses?
Why do you condone the fraudelent activity of the ANC?
Do you know about the STRIKES going on in South Africa
right now?
Are you a halfwit?
1 Sep 2010, 15:53 pm
Who can rightfully claim that ‘Bees’ Roux is close to the ‘Bok team other than brought close to it by the 9-14 or so Bulls squad members present in most, if not all, the squads since PDeV. became coach.
So explain the need for PDeV. to make that “100% Bok support” if not influenced or forced to do so(subtlely or not) by the Bull cabal that thinks they own the ‘Boks.
Can anyone show a rugby team selected by PDeV. that has a ‘Bees’ Roux in it?
1 Sep 2010, 15:53 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-271:
Don’t stoop to that level. Not necessary. You are better than that.
1 Sep 2010, 15:53 pm
@willievz(willievz)-265: the sh*tty scribes on this site haven’t even touched on the fact that Pocock was nullified yet last week there were two pocock article saying de villers is stupid…
1 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
@nama1(nama1)-282:
Thanks for that.
Is there not similar in Bridgetown in the M.Bay area?
1 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
@nama1(nama1)-247: Brussow was not in the orignal squad until Schalk’s injury, which is why he played for the Cheetahs against the B&I Lions
1 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-221: Not at all. It’s like if Heaven’s Game was a journo he would write repeat pieces on how he hates WP.
1 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
@ET(ET)-292:
M.B./Oudshoorn?
1 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
Div has been thrown out on his arse….January is laying into the ‘Burgers.
1 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-279: Me too. Maties all the way….
1 Sep 2010, 15:56 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-270: I didn’t say he is the best Bok player.
1 Sep 2010, 15:56 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-278:
Easy answer to that is how many turnovers did Burger make in the last game? None according to the stats I looked at.
1 Sep 2010, 15:56 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-281: Whats your name?
1 Sep 2010, 15:56 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-288: yes,but its still half a wit too much for you
1 Sep 2010, 15:57 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-287:
Let’s keep it to the SARU 1983 level.
1 Sep 2010, 15:58 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-287: Its the name of an ex-girlfriend. Whats yours? Dont hide behind the nick.
1 Sep 2010, 15:58 pm
juan de jongh is a decent player ..until he plays against WO .. (killed in just 14 mins in the Super final)
1 Sep 2010, 15:59 pm
@ET(ET)-289: ET, he may have been encouraged to have support, but no one, NOT even Victor, was crazy enough to openly make a statement like that in the press, esspecially when he was not even asked about it!
If you are implying that he was set up. Sure, but couldn’t he see the set up? It’s as obvious as mud that no comments ought to be made about the Bees incident, esspecially when so little information has been made available to the public and no trial has been run.
1 Sep 2010, 15:59 pm
@wpw(wpw)-286:
Player/coach at Perseverance Teachers College in Kimberley, wasn’t he?
1 Sep 2010, 16:01 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-301: Please shut up. Your blatant trolling spoils the place for the rest of us who aren’t here for bitchy little squabbles.
1 Sep 2010, 16:01 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-303: Thought so. You must have played for Tygerberg back then. They were cowards then. You’re a coward now.
1 Sep 2010, 16:01 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-288: i was speaking about PDV you brought up the ANC
the country has been raped and plundered before or is your memory fcuked
Its never been in the hands of the masses
No i dont
and i was a part of the strike
the last question i answered already
1 Sep 2010, 16:03 pm
Oom Div has more credentials than many think!
1 Sep 2010, 16:03 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-305: Yep. I routinely checked the Bulls players Twitter accounts for any word on Bees. Up to now: Nothing. No Bulls player or official at his bail hearing either.
1 Sep 2010, 16:03 pm
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-304: You and Tacitus can both keep saying that until your sphincters bleed – that still won’t make it true.
1 Sep 2010, 16:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-278: I am not going to engage in a debate on a topic that has been squeezed to boredom. If you want my views on it, archive them – you appear to be very good at it.
By archiving them, you will notice the rhetoric I have advocated on several occasions – that the counterrucking approach can be effective on the day, but you will not be successful at test level on a consistent basis if that is your sole method of slowing down opposition ruck ball.
However, whether to pick an inferior fetcher in an international team only for the sake of playing a fetcher is a different topic altogether.
1 Sep 2010, 16:03 pm
@nama1(nama1)-306:
Yebo. A family member of mine attended that same college!!
He laughs when he reads articles such as this.
To quote him: ‘Hulle kan maar sé wat hulle wil, maar ek weet Peter ken sy rugby’
1 Sep 2010, 16:04 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-308: i played for WP tygerberg were moffies like you.Ek is van die original boetas
1 Sep 2010, 16:04 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-299:
LOL geez not one turnover
I reckon Burger is the most overrated rugby player
Brussow and Du Preez will make the Boks 50 times more potent.
Juan is a giant and hougard is a star
1 Sep 2010, 16:05 pm
Let’s rather talk about the article, shall we guys? And what a hyprocritically small-minded piece of writing it is. I don’t recall Div ever losing 49-0 to anybody. Nor, as far as I know, has he ever threatened to set a gangster like Nigel McGurk after a journalist who wrote something he didn’t like.
1 Sep 2010, 16:06 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-315: Again. Your name.
1 Sep 2010, 16:07 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-315:
You are a moffie
1 Sep 2010, 16:08 pm
@pierre(pierre)-317: Nor did he have altercations with people at News Cafe.
1 Sep 2010, 16:08 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-4: They may, they have manoevered a situation where they call the shots with him. A new coach may not play ball. But on the other hand, they could have been setting this up for a while to get their favourite HM in. Who knows.
1 Sep 2010, 16:08 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-318: its been given here before if you a punkie you will kno who i am made my saru debut in 83 hence the nick
1 Sep 2010, 16:08 pm
@ET(ET)-292:
OKSK was situated in Oudshoorn.
@WP_(WP_)-293:
I understand. My point is, the fact that PdV took him on the EOY tour in 2008 already, suggest to me that he had him in his sights as back up for SB.
1 Sep 2010, 16:10 pm
i know a rugby player who played under PDV …. the player said that everyone in their team laughed at PDV behind his back .. he is clueless … maybe @ college level (koekliga rugby) one will think PDV knows alot … the REAL players all think he is a clown
1 Sep 2010, 16:10 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-322: but i assume sine you a stellenbosch boy you a bit too young to really tell about the track
1 Sep 2010, 16:11 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-311: They are being clever. Keeping their mouths shut!
1 Sep 2010, 16:11 pm
also a coach who rates :
Earl
Lobberts
Eal Tollie
January
as GREAT players, and not picked as Boks because of their skin colour, really is a dom d00s
1 Sep 2010, 16:12 pm
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-324: i also know players who played under PDV and they said he was brilliant duh
1 Sep 2010, 16:13 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-35: agree , he clearly states that they support Bees and then cautions that they dont support the actions. As per always Keo and co continue with their absurd crusade against PDV , its open secrets time.
I wonder what JC is gonna say come Monday when PDV is indeed not gone ?
1 Sep 2010, 16:14 pm
PDV is a complete IDIOT
FIRE the Moron
1 Sep 2010, 16:16 pm
Do you guys honestly think booting PDV a year before the WC is a good thing?
He’s won twice in the land of the Silver Fern. That alone is significant enough for me.
I might not support him 100%, but I support him 99%.
He must just be allowed to speak his mind in Afrikaans if asked a question, and shut up altogether at other times.
1 Sep 2010, 16:16 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-316: I reckon thats why u cannot be taken serious.
1 Sep 2010, 16:16 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-315:
you are a moffie
2 sarus now
1 Sep 2010, 16:17 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-330: Refer to post 332
1 Sep 2010, 16:17 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-330: Hey, I didn’t realise that writing in CAPS could add such GRAVITAS to your ARGUMENT. I must REMEMBER that for FUTURE USE.
1 Sep 2010, 16:17 pm
The media is not doing its homework with Bees, the circumstances around the incident are highly suspicious, his credit card taken and a security guard who saw the incident saying he was hi-jacked. Whether Div is the best coach or not and whether he has a big mouth or not, the fact remains that Bees should be supported. Div is 100% right on this one, and the media is absolutely f*****g disgraceful, having tried Bees and convicted him.
1 Sep 2010, 16:18 pm
word has it Hoskins is doing nothing about it. Just a tallking too. I think everything depends on saturdays result. lose & pdv will go. I also think players will distance themselves from the statement after the O
Z game. I know i would
1 Sep 2010, 16:18 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-305:
You have to accept that the man is like most people an ordinary Joe Average with not too much socio-political sophistication and thus can easily be influenced, held to ransom or even blackmailed by a bunch of players who he, as he was growing up, was forced to accept were in every way superior(APARTHEID) to him.
Remember he is no modern day youngster(‘hardegat’) and is thus too respectful to those he should really not trust.
Yes he was set up like most times to do the dirty work.
These players from day 1 did not support him(remember the poll in Dec 2007, 76% wanted H.Meyer) and when he was instructed to lick the A R S E S of Smit, Matfield, James, Monty(all in Europe) he was further compromised.
What acceptable reason can be offered for that stupid 100% ‘Bees’ support accept for him to ‘g a t kruip’ for the player’s support that he, to me, does not have. They play when they want to and now that they are there for 2011 WC the need is less for them to play.
1 Sep 2010, 16:19 pm
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-327:
Apparently Jake White also rates Earl. January played many a test match while he was Bok coach. Guess that makes him a doos also.
H. Meyer brought Lobberts from the Cape to pretoria. Must’ve rated him. Also a doos then.
You’re a funny oke… cancel that. You’re a not so bright oke.
1 Sep 2010, 16:19 pm
@nama1(nama1)-323: Perhaps, but it was a stroke of luck that he played in that first test, IMO
Divvy also wasnt keen on Morne Steyn, he backed Ruan “Tiger” Pienaar, then those 15 mins in the 2nd Lions test taught him something and MS has been at 10 ever since…
1 Sep 2010, 16:19 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-332:
Lol i cant be taken seriously and PDV can be?
You are another clown on keos
1 Sep 2010, 16:19 pm
@willievz(willievz)-331: Ja, I mean, just looki how wonderfully we were doing the year before the last World Cup (2006). 49-0 and everything. And our coach at that time, who as we all know has subsequently been deified, wasn’t able to point to having won a Tri-Nations the previous year, either.
1 Sep 2010, 16:20 pm
I would be surprised if Div is sacked – I think JC has jumped the gun here.
Would be good for springbok rygby if true!
1 Sep 2010, 16:20 pm
What gutter journalism , why dont u guys show what PDV actually said and break in down , u taking his remarks out of context.
For instance this is what he said at the end
“The team supports Bees 100 per cent, not on the deed, but rather on the circumstances that led to the situation developing.”
Now tell me again ,whats wrong with that JC ? Utter **** u writing , u should apply to the Daily Voice cos u lost your journalistic credibility.
1 Sep 2010, 16:21 pm
@WP_(WP_)-340:
100% correct, how the memories dim with time
Destiny played its hand many times
but PDV the clown has run out of luck
1 Sep 2010, 16:22 pm
Get rid of snor and get us a proper coach.
1 Sep 2010, 16:23 pm
@WP_(WP_)-340: Lets not forget that he also backed broussow while Jake stated evens after the Lions series that he would have not picked Broussow.
1 Sep 2010, 16:24 pm
@Ray(rayoohoo@yahoo.com)-336: Where do you get your info from about the guard? Is this true and if so then why hasn’t it been reported?
1 Sep 2010, 16:24 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-345: Hello, do you okes want me to recite the names of some of the players Jake White backed?
Wacko Jaco van der Westhuyzen; Gerrie Brits; Andre Strydom
1 Sep 2010, 16:24 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-344:
WTF has PDV the moron got to do with the Bees saga?
He is supposed to be the Bok rugby coach but he wants to be a politician and he will fit in well with the other
imbecile politicians
He just can not keep his stupid mouth closed
1 Sep 2010, 16:25 pm
@pompies(pompies)-346:
Pompies for President
1 Sep 2010, 16:26 pm
@pompies(pompies)-346: A “proper coach” like Heyneke who will take five years to get off the bottom of the table?
1 Sep 2010, 16:26 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-347: I dont think this has anything to do with Jake. Pdv was Bok coach not Jake. The JW bashers always have to bring him into it…
1 Sep 2010, 16:27 pm
@ET(ET)-338: Sucking up to the players? I think you are bang on the money. It has ensured his survival up to now after, as you pointed out, very little support.
In order to survive, he had to support the eye-gouger and the headbutter, to much disgust, but from people who do not matter in his world.
By playing the bureaucratic game of survival, he needs to please everyone in his immediate reach (read players), which is more important than pleasing the average rugby supporter. Perhaps it is also more important than pleasing the president of SA Rugby.
Only time will tell if his strategy will pay off, or whether he faces the prisoner’s dilemma.
1 Sep 2010, 16:27 pm
@saru1983(saru1983)-322: You’d be surprised how much I know. Dad played for Somerset Rugby Board. No, Im not a pig, I take it you are. Hungry?
1 Sep 2010, 16:28 pm
@willievz(willievz)-354: Unfortunately, a rugby coach in South Africa needs to be some kind of politician or “gatgabba”.
That is the rules of the game.
1 Sep 2010, 16:28 pm
@ET(ET)-338:
Matfield backs PdV
Victor Matfield says Peter de Villiers has not
been given enough credit for the Boks ’
series win against the Lions.
It’s been an open secret this year that the
Bok side is being run by De Villiers’s two
assistants – Gary Gold and **** Muir – as
well as a group of senior players, including
captain John Smit.
This was evident when De Villiers left the
Bok squad during the Lions series in order
to attend the Southern Kings and Emerging
Boks midweek games. The Boks were
apparently glad to have De Villiers away
because it allowed them to get through
more work.
However, Matfield, one of the senior
players, has rushed to De Villiers ’s defence,
saying the coach played his part in the
Lions series win.
‘We don’t have any problem with the way
Peter coaches us,’ Matfield told Die Son. ‘He is
a good guy that makes everyone feel
comfortable. His technical knowledge of the
game is impressive and we are very
satisfied with his coaching ability.
‘Not only does he get along well with the
coaching and management team, but he
also has a excellent working relationship
with the players. You always know where
you stand with him. Unlike many other
coaches he allows the players to also give
their input. That ’s what makes him a good
coach.’
Matfield’s comments come just days after
former finance minister Trevor Manuel
defended De Villiers in a letter he sent to the
editor of Business Day.
‘What matters in sport is the result,’ wrote
Manuel. ‘Surely what matters in respect of
the Springbok coach in this instance is that,
unlike so many of his predecessors, he
scored a series win against the British &
Irish Lions ?’
This entry was posted on Friday, July 10th,
2009
1 Sep 2010, 16:29 pm
As much as I would love to see the door smack pdv on the
*** on his way out. Its not going to happen simply because the cheapskates at saru wants to save a buck at all costs.
What is going to happen is that pdv will be gagged while
Smit, Matfield would handle the media.
Or perhaps pdv will get a teleprompter to read his comments from once its approved by one of the assistant coaches.
Its wishful thinking but if div gets the axe, I hope Jake
gets the second term that I think he deserves but that isn’t
going to happen eigther.
1 Sep 2010, 16:30 pm
@willievz(willievz)-356: i have noted that you think david pocock is an ‘inferior fetcher’…
1 Sep 2010, 16:30 pm
@pierre(pierre)-349:
I never was a Jake White fan, he was a lucky boy
Destiny favoured him with England in the finals.
Lol how often did we demand Jake be fired here at Keos,
countless times.
1 Sep 2010, 16:30 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-341: Erm yes , u a clown that cannot be taken serious.
OK lets indulge for a sec , in the S14 which SA flank was the stand out ? In the Test matches after that which SA forward stood out ? In the Trinations which SA flank stood out ? Now ask everyone as they will tell u Schalk Burger. No one said Juan played bad or Broussouw is not a great fetcher , but simply stating that Burger who has been colossal this year is overrated without backing it up is stupid and makes u a idiot that cannot be taken serious.
Tell us why u think so ? Back it up with facts , where did Schalk fail this year ? Who has been better ? throughout the year ? I mean was Juan really better ? Would he have been able to perform that way had Schalk not been on the team ? Sure he was very good , I am also a fan by the way. Will broussouw’s inclusion make the team 50 times better ? U forget that Broussouw just had another op.
I wonder how he will return , remember Skinstad after the knees ? Hell remember Schalk after his neck operation , lets see if Broussouw can comeback like Schalk did.
1 Sep 2010, 16:31 pm
@JohnX(John_Psycho)-358: You’re right, it isn’t going to happen, and than f**k for that.
1 Sep 2010, 16:32 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-357: Is Trevor Manuel actually a Springbok supporter?
1 Sep 2010, 16:32 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-359: No, I was referring to Louw.
1 Sep 2010, 16:32 pm
Fire PDV the clown
and fire John Smit the fattie
and Spies
and Habana
1 Sep 2010, 16:34 pm
@willievz(willievz)-363:
LMAO @ Trevor Manuel
He Hates the BOKS
but he loves the racist Bafana team
1 Sep 2010, 16:35 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-360: And if PDV got beaten 49-0, or threatened a journalist, or got involved in a physical altercation with a journalist, or claimed that there is no such thing as a fetcher, he would have been fired already.
The fact that Jake became an evangelical Christian to win the affections of a wine-farm widow, tells you everything you need to know about him.
1 Sep 2010, 16:36 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-365: I agree with you about Smit, Spies and Habana, though.
1 Sep 2010, 16:38 pm
@willievz(willievz)-363: @Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-366: yes he is a Bok supporter, he presented the jerseys in Bloem last year before the Boks klapped the All Blacks in the tri-nations…he was sitting with Hoskins in the stands wearing a Bok scarf…
1 Sep 2010, 16:38 pm
@WP_(WP_)-340:
After the first test, everybody was raving about Ruan’s performance in general play. If I remember correctly he also had a 100% performance with the boot. Nobody queried his selection for the 2nd test against the Lions after his performance in the 1st.
In the 2nd test he also had a very good game in general play but he hit the upright twice and miss another 1/2 kicks to poles. In step Morne and kick over a long penalty to win the match and the series.
The thing is however, most people agreed that maybe PdV was onto something wrt Ruan at flyhalf after his performances in that tests. If only he can be consistent with his kicking to the poles. I can only recall Just Rugby who was never convinced about him at 10.
Hindsight can be such a b itch.
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-345:
You still didn’t tell me what lie I told!!!
1 Sep 2010, 16:38 pm
@pierre(pierre)-367:
Jake White has sweet f@ckall do to with PDV the clown
Jake is history and its time Peter was history
1 Sep 2010, 16:38 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-350: Did u actually read the comments he made ? He was taking about how nothing must stand in the way of the Bok players between now and the WC and that the players need to be mentally strong as they have to deal with a lot of psychological and domestic issues , he then cited the Bees incident and how it can affect the players as some of them are most likely friends with the man. Now what we have heard so far is that the Bees incident is not just cut and dried and I am sure that what we heard is nothing compare to what they have heard.
So jaa the players can be affected , this type of thing can happen to anyone , PDV clearly states that they feel for all South Africans , and that they support Bees on the circumstances surrounding the incident not the deed. ie , how this happened and what transpired but not the result.
Did u take a min to actually read what he said or are you like the rest of the lemmings that allow keo and co to formulate a opinion for you ? This is what he said.
“Nothing must stand in our way between now and the World Cup and the players have to be strong enough to deal with all kinds of psychological issues and domestic circumstances,” said the outspoken coach who was cleared of a misconduct charge last month over his alleged claim that referees are under orders to favour New Zealand ahead of next year’s World Cup. “For instance, how will the Bees Roux tragedy affect those who know him well? We must deal with everything that comes our way.”
De Villiers revealed that the Springboks had discussed the Roux incident and sympathised with the uncapped prop. “We feel for all South Africans, especially rugby players, and while we do not defend the act [of Roux], we sympathise with the tragedy,” he said. “It is an unfortunate reality that these things can happen to anybody. The team supports Bees 100 per cent, not on the deed, but rather on the circumstances that led to the situation developing.”"
1 Sep 2010, 16:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-369:
Trevor Manuel is a traitor to the Boks
1 Sep 2010, 16:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-369: Looks can be deceiving…
1 Sep 2010, 16:41 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-372:
WTF has Bees got to do with the Boks?
1 Sep 2010, 16:41 pm
@I_support_BEES(suffer_guy)-304: And Wo is a decent player until he plays against any international team , matter of fact just singing the anthem makes him crumble while De Jongh has shown that the occasion only got to him once and he is the man for the Boks.
Again u a joke.
1 Sep 2010, 16:44 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-376: Shame man, Meisiekind is a good example of a guy with plenty of heart constantly performing to the very limits of his natural talent. Unfortunately for him, that limit falls somewhat short of Test rugby.
1 Sep 2010, 16:44 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-373: @willievz(willievz)-374: if he was lying then so be it, maybe maria ramos put him up to it seeing that she was to take over ABSA…
1 Sep 2010, 16:44 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-344:
“The team supports Bees 100 per cent, not on the deed, but rather on the circumstances that led to the situation developing.”
What does he know about the circumstances that led to the situation? How can he back him on the circumstances if he knows nothing about it? The circumstances are still being investigated afa I know.
He should’ve kept quiet. Bees has nothing to do with the Bokke. Even the Blue Bull, the team for which Bees play, have not say anything up to now.
1 Sep 2010, 16:45 pm
PDV is no pushover. He’s had a tough grounding school if you consider his background so I don’t see him being pushed over by the senior rugby players as some suggest. Rather I see him as a democratic leader taking responsibility for the losses and not blowing his trumpet when the team wins. The way it works in the Bok team is that the Sunday before a test the coaches have a planning session and senior players are invited to attend. At this session they discuss how they expect the opposition to play and what they want to do and then go about developing the training sessions. The senior players have an input and PDV steers the discussions by first putting down his expectations and ideas. That doesn’t sound like a coach who knows nothing or is hands off but one who uses influence rather than coercion to get his players to do what they all think is right
1 Sep 2010, 16:48 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-376:
I agree about De Jongh 100%
He was a hero against the ABs
but PDV is far too stupid to play him
1 Sep 2010, 16:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-378:
maybe
1 Sep 2010, 16:50 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-380: tough background or not…the man can be stupid!
1 Sep 2010, 16:50 pm
peter should have just kept his big mouth shut…..he can learn from KEO. Mark Keohane would still be a SARU employee if he did the same
1 Sep 2010, 16:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-357:
Of corse, in the media they ALL, especially those “2007 WC seniors” have to stick together or the whole ugly can of maggots and worms will be crawling all over.
If the beans are spilt no one who is now assured of going to 2011 WC can be so sure if and when a NEW coach is chosen.
If, for example, they do sack PDeV., and let’s say they appoint Meyer do you think J.Smit can be sure he is going to 2011 WC? I think not.
Remember when the heat was on PDeV. after 2009 eoyt all of Smit, Matfield, FDuP., Smith, Bakkies, even Burger were quoted in the media of defending him, voluably. A few weeks thereafter they were ALL(you gave the list recently) rewarded with contracts to 2011 WC.
Everything is so contrived. You pat my back or palm my hand then I will look after you is the mantra.
1 Sep 2010, 16:51 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-239: i love it!
1 Sep 2010, 16:51 pm
@nama1(nama1)-379:
“The team supports Bees 100 per cent, not on the deed, but rather on the circumstances that led to the situation developing.”
Thanks i was looking for his idiot quote
FIRE PDV the Moron
1 Sep 2010, 16:53 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-361:
He’ll probably not answer you. Accused me of lying earlier and I’m still waiting on him to tell me where I lied.
1 Sep 2010, 16:54 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-375: Eish , u just dont get it. Lets leave it there.
1 Sep 2010, 16:55 pm
last one ‘blast from the past’ of the day, dedicated to all the All Black supporters on this site
Defiant or delusional?
Jake White is convinced the Springboks can
win the World Cup next year.
This follows a 36-26 defeat to France in
Cape Town, a 49-0 thrashing to the
Wallabies in Brisbane and a 35-17 loss to
the All Black second-stringers in Wellington.
“There’s no doubt in my mind that we can
win the World Cup,” White told the
Independent’s Peter Bills. “I intend to focus
on nothing else now than except making
sure this team can develop to win the World
Cup. I love my job, I love coaching South
Africa and I ’m determined to get it right.
“[The criticism] hurt, it hurt a great deal. It
has been an unbelievable week. But I also
found out who my friends were. I had
messages from all kinds of people
encouraging us to keep going. That meant a
lot.
“I know we will turn the corner. We will get
our injured players back and that will make
a big difference. ”
White also had a dig at the All Blacks, who
are ranked No 1 and are favoured to win
the World Cup.
“There is no guarantee that if you have
been dominant for 18 months before the
World Cup that you are going to win it, ” he
said.
White then defended flank Solly Tyibilika
who failed to make an impact at the
breakdown on Saturday and ran the wrong
defensive lines.
“Solly did well, he never looked out of
place,” said the coach.
This entry was posted on Monday, July
24th, 2006
1 Sep 2010, 16:55 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-25: ” I think you vastly overrate their talent.” I agree.
Some people are using a very small part of their brains when they make statements like
“How can these players lose the 3N when 2 S.A. teams competed in the S14 Final”
“the Bok players have regressed after the S14″ etc
All national teams are made of the TOP talent in those countries.
To make the long story short, in NZ, Dagg plays the Highlanders and they are a bottom half dwellers in the s14, but Dagg can make most National sides including the Boks IMO.
Now select Dagg & substitute with Mils (Chiefs), Sivivatu (Chiefs),J O’Connor (Force), etc and play them with Carter, Mcaw (from the recording breaking s14 side “the Crusaders”) etc in the national team and you have a formidable team that will beat all challengers. As shown by the All Blacks in 2010.
Unlike the s14 there are no weak sides in the 3N!!!
Jaque Fourie played for a weak Lions team but put him in the national side, he becomes a different animal.
on the opposite, WO plays for a strong Bulls outfit but put him in the Bok side and he plays like a puppy
1 Sep 2010, 16:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-383: Transie, tell me you haven’t done anything stupid in your life recently and on more than 1 occassion. There are no degrees in stupidity, its either stupid or not, there are only degrees in consequences.
1 Sep 2010, 16:59 pm
@ET(ET)-338: I know what you are saying and you’re right. He is people pleasing. Which is dangerous. But two years into this job, he ought to have figured out the backstabbers by now. He may know rugby, but he does not know how to navigate the political landscape which is the Springboks.
1 Sep 2010, 17:01 pm
@nama1(nama1)-247:
The only reason PDV picked Brussow was because of 2 injuries
way back then. The 2nd injury was when danie Rossouw came on
against the Lions and was taken out in about 15 seconds,
i cant recall the first injury maybe it was Burger?
So Destiny picked Brussow
and PDV the clown had f@ckall to do with it
1 Sep 2010, 17:02 pm
PdV gaan net so min afgedank word as wat daar mannetjies op die maan is.
1 Sep 2010, 17:02 pm
@ET(ET)-385: that is so true it’s scary.
but who says heyneke will be appointed? it may be someone like alister coetzee…..then the bulls players will really feel the heat.
i would appoint the griquas coach. no ties to ant of the existing boks….
1 Sep 2010, 17:04 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-392:
I serioulsy doubt there is anyone more stupid than PDV
1 Sep 2010, 17:05 pm
@tole(tole)-395:
LOL @ mannetjies op die maan
FAKE moonlandings
1 Sep 2010, 17:08 pm
@puff(puff)-60: “But the truth is the Lions victory can be attributed to some individual brilliance more than anything else”
hee hee hee chap!
Let me see if I get this right…you mean
Like the individual brilliance of Nonu in Soweto that gave GH the victory?
Like the individual of the cover tackle JPP made in France 2007 against Fiji/Tonga (don’t have time to look up which)?
Like the individual brilliance when Danie’s cover tackle denied England a certain try in the 2007 RWC final?
the list goes on and on and on…
Eish… what would all these incompetent coaches do without these brilliant individual players I wonder
1 Sep 2010, 17:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-357: Agreed!!
1 Sep 2010, 17:09 pm
@nama1(nama1)-388: Jaa I dont expect anything less from him , anyone can make a statement , few can back it up. Re teh coach and the circumstances comment u made , I agree we dont know what transpired but I think thats what the coach was trying to say as well , so they symphathise with what happend or whats gonna happen to Bees but not his actions. Bees is after all a fellow rugby player and a friend to some of the players.
Its like if you brother committed a crime , u know he is wrong and u dont support the deed but he remains your brother and you feel for him especially if the crime was not intended and I don’t think Bees deliberately tried to kill the man.
1 Sep 2010, 17:09 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-392: piesangseun, if i’m the Bok coach and nobody has asked me about the Bees Roux saga, i will shut the f*ck up! Unless i have been compelled by those who have a damaging *** tape of myself in an east london parking lot to say something about it!
1 Sep 2010, 17:10 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-393: In the power game that is called rugby administration, I think PDV has figured out who will NOT backstab him, which is sometimes more important than knowing who the actual backstabbers are.
Remember this against the backdrop of PDV’s primary goal – his survival from day to day until the end of his contract.
The players he has already referred to as the selected WC squad will not backstab him.
They are the ones who matter most in the entire landscape. The rest, including the media and the supporters, are not as important to please, simply because the current group of senior players are the ones running the show.
1 Sep 2010, 17:11 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-394: U a joke really. So Destiny picked Broussow , The senior players are the reason we won and PDV is the reason when we lose ?
Yup Idiot is your name
1 Sep 2010, 17:12 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: Gotto agree here with you , wish PDV would just keep his mouth !!
Anyway . I am outa here , cheers.
1 Sep 2010, 17:13 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-397: Have you seen some of the comments on this site and those people have the good fortune of having time on their hands to think about their responses.
1 Sep 2010, 17:15 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: Allegations tut tut
1 Sep 2010, 17:15 pm
@willievz(willievz)-313: agree ….good post…again.
1 Sep 2010, 17:18 pm
@willievz(willievz)-331: no willie….pdv sold out….he is being lead by plod…..best a clean out….new coach will sweep clean….still got a year…..we dont do it we stuffed anyway.
1 Sep 2010, 17:22 pm
@grant10(grant10)-409: Grant, you are bargaining on a new coach actually disposing Smit.
That will not necessarily happen.
Let me ask you this – will you keep PDV if Smit goes? Or if he has the guts to drop Smit himself?
1 Sep 2010, 17:23 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-59: “Incite”ful analysis. Every day I log in to read utter bullsh.it by the KEO “journos” and some sense written by the posters.
Some of these articles show nothing but resentment to the Boks not due to “reported” player/team performance reasons or PdV’s inaequacies / faux paxs but rather simply as a result of lack of access. The Boks do not allow Keo and his cronies in, whether in the guise of sasi journos or for this website.
Why? Simply the Boks do not trust them and neither do a growing amount of rugger fans.
actually the “craft” of the journos and articles on this site is Exhibit I in the case for censorship. Not censorship for dangerous ideas or exposure of corruption, instead censorship of crass stupidity.
Down with the authors, long live the posters. Viva!
1 Sep 2010, 17:23 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-394:
What does it matter that he selected him after somebody else got injured. The fact that he took him on tour the previous year already, prove that he had him in his plans. He just didn’t rate him as 1st choice at that stage and so did 80%, or more, of the bloggers on this site. Not many people left out Schalk, and selected HB, when they played “This is my team for the first test against the Lions”, apart from a few who was ridiculed for doing so.
Tell me, who did YOU prefer before the 1st test vs the Lions: HB or SB?
1 Sep 2010, 17:23 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-393:
My dear Rosso, you forget those mysterious tapes and why they suddenly appeared on the scene at the time they did when PDeV. was not yet in the kraal(Luke was still on the team). Cheeky’s name appeared in the press with wild attempts to link him to the on-going mischief making. Where are they(tapes) and can they make a re-appearance if a ‘dilinquent ‘, defiant coach gets rid of at least these 10 or so world super special class stars of ‘Bok rugby?
Also in sport there is a cardinal rule that your players can make or break you if they do or do not play for you.
Because he played along with them after they showed him how poorly they could play( 2008 3N-2/6 and losses in C.T. 19-0 and Durban) the eoyt results became 100% wins which led to BL 2-1 series win and 2009 3ns win(5/6). But in the meantime, that melancholy jailer, Father Time and the lack of a need to be motivated for 2010 because by end of 2009 the main ‘manne’ were contracted to 2011 WC the results have plummeted. Thus they are all picked and overplayed this week in the hope that they can improve the wins % and get people of their backs.
It is easy for me to make the being held to ransom, or even blackmail, call of these clearly gloriously vain 2007 WC seniors(read greedy, spoilt brats).
Did anyone say coaching is easy? You have to egg dance and more so in SA with the colour question always all around us.
1 Sep 2010, 17:25 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-407: look, all i’m saying is pdv gets himself into sh*t ALL the damn time…the journalists know he is always defensive so they probe, and probe and probe until he cracks…
If journalist are suggesting that the Boks have been poor there’s no need for him to clam up and use a george w bushism – it’s either you’re with us or against us? What the hell man…
He needs to cool down, suck on a lollipop if he has to…have you ever heard a robbie deans interview? It is the most boring sh*t you’ve ever heard the man is toooo measured! Pdv needs to learn from that…
1 Sep 2010, 17:25 pm
@toddke(toddke)-248:
SO
thats 2 x posts from you and
STILL NO ANSWER ?!?
You can send it in on the back of a postcard, if you prefer. So noone else will see.
1 Sep 2010, 17:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: Why would those who “have a tape” compel and why would PdV have to comply?
1 Sep 2010, 17:28 pm
@ET(ET)-413: But it is always about colour for the likes of you.
“those evil mlungus” is a permanent get out of jail free card for not accepting any responsibility.
1 Sep 2010, 17:28 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-396:
It could be a lot worse than that. At least there is now a 60% or so win state.
1 Sep 2010, 17:29 pm
typical’snotty nosed little white boy JW arsecreep agendas, pitiful bunch of lily livered whitey woosies calling for the bruinou’s blood cos he tells these pompous little snotty nosed prat eyed pr’cks exactly where to get off.
i’m pretty much convinced that this set of players in the main are far happier and more comfortable playing under Pdv than anytime under that pompous ratty faced palooka prat that preceded him. These muppets smell blood and like the long knived arselicking agenda laced schmucks that they are they can’t wait to try bury them in between the bared brown shoulder blades. Let em try, let em have their glorified Whitey faced coach back, they’ll regress all the way back to the diabolical dark ages. Maybe its time PDivvy give these schmuckarsed toffy noses what they always wanted, give the game back to the whites seeing as they think they always owned it here.
1 Sep 2010, 17:29 pm
@willievz(willievz)-410: i dont think PDV will do a clean sweep….i honestly believe he has sold his soull…..no proof….but he is not leading….he is being lead. Sorry Willie….but if we believe this bok set up going to win us 2011 wc we being silly my man…..
For me….do the clean up….
Will it happen? Personally i doubt it…..
Why?
It will cost a small fortune….remember no coach will want the other 2 stooges…..
1 Sep 2010, 17:31 pm
@willievz(willievz)-410: sorry….didnt answer your question.
Lets do it by saying this….i believe PDV will be a better coach without Plod dictating ….
1 Sep 2010, 17:32 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-415: Yes, the abs are the greatest team ever in terms of win %. They are always no 1 between WC’s. They should have won every World Cup. There you go, now f.ck off, Kiwi.
1 Sep 2010, 17:35 pm
-417:
Exposed RACIST(do-you-consider-yourself-black), show me any word in that post that refers to the COLOUR purple, blue, red, yellow, black or white.
Your attempts to smear are childish at best.
Your tags like CONSERVATIVE and worse you have earned in WORD and deed.
I am being polite next time I will not.
1 Sep 2010, 17:35 pm
If Meyer is appointed,IF PdV does get the axe,wich I seriously doubt,we will only be taking a biass Bulls team to the WC!I reckon its the perfect time for a foreigner!
1 Sep 2010, 17:37 pm
@ET(ET)-413: ET ek verstaan. This is no easy job. I just do not think that Pdv recognized what he walked into to, (all the various agendas), and he is not savy enough to know how to navigate the maze. If there is blackmail, the s*x tape etc, hoe het hy homself in daai sous ingerkry!
1 Sep 2010, 17:38 pm
@ET(ET)-338:
Jaysus, Mary & Joseph…are you serious?
You’re basically saying that PuffDivvy and Hoskins are mere puppets? They’re Uncle Toms, controlled by the white might to do their nefarious bidding?
Could you be more patronising towards them? Could you be more insulting?
Good grief. Why can’t the decisions of Snor and Hoskins be theirs as human beings, foibles and all, why must it all boil down to some apartheid hangover 3rd force conspiracy?
I take it you believe in the Illuminati and the Rothschild-Jewish banker conspiracies too?
1 Sep 2010, 17:43 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-396:
I am not gunning for any specific person I just used H.Meyer’s name as an example to make my point of why certain players(Matfield above in a previous post) will be seen to be supporting PDeV., because he has contracted them to 2011 WC.
1 Sep 2010, 17:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-416: this is a dumb question!!
1 Sep 2010, 17:45 pm
PDV will take the Boks to WC2011 and there is nothing Keo, JC, Ryan Crybaby Vrede, Mrs Grant Ball, Rory Keohane, Jake White, Heyneke Meyer, and Heaven Game can do!
1 Sep 2010, 17:47 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-429:
You had to add HG hey? Hahahahahaha
1 Sep 2010, 17:47 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-426:
I have said that in 2008 already and nothing has happen since then to dispel that notion but many things have occurred to in fact support that notion.
I don’t know you but I probably know the two names you mention better than you do.
1 Sep 2010, 17:48 pm
However with the current seniors/selectors/coaches, their run will end at the 1/4 final stage
1 Sep 2010, 17:50 pm
@ET(ET)-423: Its easy to read between the lines with your agenda.
1 Sep 2010, 17:51 pm
This is very dissapointing, I thought he was a good coach and very loyal to the players – he should be allowed to continue until the RWC.
It was extremely stupid to voice support for Roux, but JW made many a f-up in public statements and the next coach will to. Leave him be to take his squad to the RWC, same as White was allowed to when all and sundry were calling for his head in 2006.
1 Sep 2010, 17:52 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-425:
You are correct in all those various aspects, except to add there may or may not be any legitimate tapes. But sadly in our lives perception and not reality dominates and the damage is already done that is why he seems so cap in hand wrt his bosses and players(if they are not both).
1 Sep 2010, 17:52 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-429: always have supported PdV actually. I challenge you or anyone to find any post that states otherwise.
1 Sep 2010, 17:54 pm
@ET(ET)-431:
I don’t know them at all. Never met them, probably never will. But, seriously, dude, you’re honestly saying they’re puppets. Really and truly?
Well, fark me standing still, the puppet masters sure made a right royal hash of things – they really should’ve chosen a better candidate. They could’ve at least chosen someone who wasn’t so controversial and was better able to articulate his…wait, sorry…their…thoughts than Uncle Snor.
Surely…?
1 Sep 2010, 17:54 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-426: The Rothschild aren’t Jews, they’re shape shifting Lizards
1 Sep 2010, 17:54 pm
@ET(ET)-413: then they used smear to create a chasm between cheeky & pdv…
Cheeky cleared of racism
Cheeky Watson has been cleared of any
racial abuse against Peter de Villiers after an
SA Rugby investigation.
Sondag reported that Eastern Province
rugby boss Watson allegedly called Bok
coach De Villiers ‘a bab oon who does not
know what he is doing’ at a meeting of the
EP Rugby Legends.
Acting MD of SA Rugby Andy Marinos said
the investigations proved there wasn ’t
enough convincing evidence to show the
incident took place.
‘We immediately launched an internal
investigation into the allegations and
interviewed some of the suggested role
players, ’ said Marinos.
‘I understand that a newspaper was
provided with written confirmation of the
allegation but what we have is minutes of
the meeting as well as a letter from an
organisation of Rugby Legends who were
present and from other individuals who
attended. They all concur that neither the
subject of Peter de Villiers nor Springbok
fixtures were even discussed in the
meeting. ’
Marinos questioned the timing of the
allegations and claimed it is an attempt to
harm De Villiers ’s reputation.
‘The original incident is alleged to have
taken place on 10 December and we would
have expected to hear about it about on the
11th, ’ said Marinos. ‘For the allegations to
emerge almost four months later seems
unusual.
‘In the absence of a formal complaint or
new information substantiating the
allegations, SA Rugby can do no more than
consider the matter closed. ’
De Villiers’s lawyers sent SA Rugby a letter
regarding the allegations and asked the
organisation to investigate the matter.
‘I have met and had discussions at length
with Peter about the story and brought him
up to date with our inquiries, ” said Marinos.
‘The timing of this incident makes me
wonder if this is not just another attempt to
drag his name into controversy at a time
when he is preparing for the Lions Series. ’
This entry was posted on Tuesday, April 7th,
2009
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
@ET(ET)-435: It’s so irritating watching him arse kiss in every interview. Damn!
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-429: hahahahahahaha
well said!
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
Wish People give the guy a break and stop continually running him down everytime he says something that does not meet with their approval, i think he is a absolute sweetie, and fireing him would be a huge mistake and destroy team moral.
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
-433:
F…OFF, puerile one.
The truth will always disturb you and be seen as an agenda.
Yes, the TRUTH is always an agenda and it is an agenda I am proud off.
1 Sep 2010, 17:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-439: And Pdv fell for it.
1 Sep 2010, 17:59 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-438:
As is the Queen of England – why do you think she goes through so many Corgis?
1 Sep 2010, 18:00 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-442: Admit though that he is kinda “George Bushish”.
1 Sep 2010, 18:02 pm
@ET(ET)-423: re “do you considers yourself black?” was in context of one of your “analyses” where somehow skin colour was considered implied by you to be a prime factor in performance. You were, as usual, talking about black and “non-black” players. To understand this paradigm of skinhue and perfrmance that you somehow felt was logical, it was fair to ask a question related to this.
This farcical recourse to crying “racist” to any questioning or disagreement with any of your self-constructed PC conventions, including your term “non-black” betrays your stupidity and obvious fear of inferiority…
1 Sep 2010, 18:03 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-442: black man, you’re on your own
1 Sep 2010, 18:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-436: My bad….although you have been a silent supporter while most of the BullSharks supporters have hail Heyneke as the saviour of Bokrugby!
1 Sep 2010, 18:05 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-440:
He has had no free ride and should not be sacked at all.
The lot of them responsible for this **** should work at correcting the situation and if they have no inclination to do so then they must be man enough to be kicked out and hand over to younger players who have a better desire to come out on top evn if it means we lose this WC. At least we will be ahead of all others for WC 2015.
This damn thread is moving too fast.
1 Sep 2010, 18:06 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-446: He has a bit of foot in mouth yes, but i think he just says what is on his mind and is maybe to honest, but i think he is a nice man with no agenda and just loves rugby.
1 Sep 2010, 18:06 pm
Should Peter de Villiers be axed?
Yes -81%
No -19%
I can thus conlude that all BullSharks wants Heyneke Meyer in
1 Sep 2010, 18:07 pm
@ET(ET)-443: State your “truth” then. Don’t wrap it in layers of slithering political correctness disguise with a facade of quasi-medical terminology that betrays your ignorance of said subject matter and then resort to crying wolf or “racist” when your own chauvinistic bluff is called. Especially when related to the game of rugby itself.
1 Sep 2010, 18:08 pm
See the problem is ppl call these guys gatgabbas and uncle toms when they are faced with an impossible situation – picking a springbok team that every bok Kenner supports.
Rule no 1 in the coaching handbook is loyalty to your players insofar as possible – you don’t have the players and you don’t have a team – both White and PdV knew that and it’s probably their greatest strengths. Unfortunaty they are hopeless public speakers, but that’s ok, they rugby coaches – time to lift the big dogs leg. The Great One will silence all critics soon.
1 Sep 2010, 18:09 pm
@cab(cab)-454: “Rule no 1 in the coaching handbook is loyalty to your players insofar as possible” – an absolute gem
1 Sep 2010, 18:11 pm
I have never seen Keo so emotional about a Bok coach. Even in the deepest darkest days of Jake White’s tenure Keo never showed this level of disrespect and animosity towards the Bok coach.
Sounds like a personal vendetta to me. And now it is rubbing off on his underlings too.
1 Sep 2010, 18:11 pm
What do you expect a guy to do when he never had a real job before and then gets the top job all of a sudden? Coaching kids is not a real job. The same goes for England, appointing Johnson, was a joke. Coaches need to gain experience far more then players do. Why didn’t SARU make P-Divvy coach of one fo the Super 14 franchises first. It was just a rushed job to get their man in before he was rady and its really starting to show now.
1 Sep 2010, 18:12 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-448: Oh me gad !!!!!! i know i got sunburnt today but still seem to be female , and yes hair is still long and blond.
1 Sep 2010, 18:12 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-449: WTF is a Bullshark? Someone who doesn’t think WePee is as good as their supporters think they are? If yes, then count me in…
1 Sep 2010, 18:13 pm
@ET(ET)-450: I thought the thread is moving too slow.
I don’t know about Pdv anymore. The guy that burst on the scene made bold rugby decisions, the current coach looks burdened and unsure, and says more eratic things than ever.
1 Sep 2010, 18:13 pm
ABs to get Super 15 break
2010-09-01
Auckland – Leading All Blacks may be rested during next year’s Super 15 in order to ensure that they will be fit for the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand later in the year.
According to the Rugby Week website, All Blacks coach Graham Henry came under fire in 2007 for his reconditioning programme which saw the New Zealand’s leading players pulled out of the Super 14 for half of the season.
The Super 15 kicks off in 2011 with a much more demanding programme and Henry says that he plans to pull players in a similar fashion to what he did in 2007.
Henry says that he will meet with New Zealand Super 15 coaches shortly to discuss the increased workload imposed on players by the expansion of Super Rugby from 14 to 15 teams in 2011.
He said top players would have to be carefully managed to ensure they avoid burnout in a lengthened season.
Henry said it was “ridiculous” to think any player could play in every week of the new tournament.
(news24)
1 Sep 2010, 18:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-447:
Forget it, you are wasting your time with this continuous garbage.
Notions, points being made, ideas etc. have no need to be linked to colour or race or do you believe only whites are ‘verkramptes’ or blacks are criminals(deliberate use of colour for you).
Are you expecting me to believe in your glorious Natal lifestyle you NEVER evr used the term non-white. Spin me another.
Go and read post 196 on yesterdays Trinations thread if you have not done so.
And with that I am done with this matter.
1 Sep 2010, 18:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-459: Sharks that bask in the glory of the Bulls!
1 Sep 2010, 18:18 pm
@kwas(kwas)-456: Too true. It is a personal vendetta, and along with the continuous WePee drumroll on Keo, has destroyed the credibility of this site and its journos as impartial. But as they say, its only theatre. However it definitely is partial, agenda driven theatre.
1 Sep 2010, 18:19 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-457: where the f*ck did jake coach professionally sherlock?
1 Sep 2010, 18:20 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-457:
So, what “real job” did JW had before he became Bok coach? Any CC team/S14 team that he coached that you can name?
1 Sep 2010, 18:24 pm
Loyalty does not mean being led by the players, I believe PdV has had many run-ins with them and maybe even his support coaches over this kick-chase rubbish which PdV hates, He has encouraged them to have a go and that is precisely what is needed to offset their overly conservative approach. It was a hood approach to get into the top 3, but to be consistent no 1 got to move to next level and build on that confidence with attacking football when it’s there to be had.
1 Sep 2010, 18:27 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-458: hey boom-masseur, why were you in the sun?!
1 Sep 2010, 18:33 pm
@nama1(nama1)-461: i personally believe that a key factor in the AB’s losing in the 2007 WC was the dropping of Aaron Mauger. if the AB’s are to stumble next year too, it will be something similar, like Henry axing Mills. wait and see…
1 Sep 2010, 18:35 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-460:
They gave him just one opportunity to show his hand in 2008 and that was when he selected his squads to play Wales twice and then Italy(in the wet in Newlands) and that other squad, at the same time, to play in that Nations Cup in Europe.
In those 2 squads(‘Boks & the other) he picked players like Grant, Skeate, Watson, Mostert, Hargreaves and a host of others.
Against Wales Matfield, Smit, Monty, Bakkies, FDuP were not in the run on team or not in the squad and they played a different but exciting style but all this scared the hell out of conservative SARU and so their choice had to be reigned in. Everybody now knows what happened in the Antipodies when he was instructed to pick his WC greats(2/6).
1 Sep 2010, 18:35 pm
@ET(ET)-462: Generalisations and assumptions are your stock and trade, arent they? I have never used the word “verkrampte” in a single post of mine unless quoting another fool who does use the word.
No, I have never used the words “non-white”, an how could you assume my Natal lifestyle was “glorious”. Is that because of another assumption that I should be “non-black” (your term) and that all “non-black” people in or from Natal have or had a “glorious” lifestyle while there.
But hellsteeth why do these half-baked assumptions give you this right to cry “racist” to anyone who challenges them. also, what makes you think that any of your racist insinuations with regard to the death of a policeman will also go unchallenged.
Your assumption of a PC agenda centred around race being mainstream on this site does not mean that it is the status quo for all individuals, but that does not mean all individuals who question this or object to it are racist.
That is your mistaken generalisation and it will never go unchallenged.
1 Sep 2010, 18:36 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-468: Wasnt by choice, but dealing with the animals and the temp was 36 here today, wind howling and my eyeballs got fried as well
1 Sep 2010, 18:38 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-465:
If you think he was a great coach fair enough, I don’t I think he was, he got pretty bloody lucky. Who has he coached since the boks? Not really in too much demand is he.
1 Sep 2010, 18:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-453:
Says the discredited one of “do-you-consider-yourself-black” fame and fortune.
1 Sep 2010, 18:42 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-428: Oh dear, I better be careful here. itsheri lakho khona. ‘zo betha mina…
1 Sep 2010, 18:44 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-469:
That’s what happens when you are spoilt for choice. You don’t always know who your best player is. Or maybe he was thinking about resting Mauger for that game to have him fresh for the semi and the final. Unfortunately for him, his plan bombed.
Big time.
1 Sep 2010, 18:45 pm
@ET(ET)-474: What is racist about the question – “Do you consider yourself black?”?
Do you?
1 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
I wont fire PDV for the Boks recent performance cause Jake White’s was rubbish! I’ll fire him for stating that he and the Boks supports the Slayer of Tswane.
1 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
-471:
Immature ramblings of one desperately trying to save face but failing to do so by means of confused garbage.
What is assumptively half-baked about “do you consider yourself black”.
1 Sep 2010, 18:48 pm
I somehow doubt this will happen.
If I had sole decision making:
1. Replace existing coaching staff with:
a. Alistair Coetzee as head coach
b. Heyneke Meyer as forwards & defense coach
c. Robbie Fleck & Pieter Rossouw as backline coaches
2. Announce that we intend taking Matfield, Smit to WC2011.
3. Put them both on custom conditioning program.
4. Tell Bismarck and Chilliboy what their roles will be.
5. Drop Habana with immediate effect, so he can regain
confidence at provincial level, or not.
6. Never ever again select Meisiekind, Ricky.
7. Drop Spies, and replace him with Skalk, then add a # 6
fetcher & slowerdowner to the trio.
8. Find a strong [young] backup to 10, and start bleeding
him.
1 Sep 2010, 18:48 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-472: sounds hectic…
1 Sep 2010, 18:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-475: oluhlobo lunguwe luyahlanya.
1 Sep 2010, 18:51 pm
-477:
Look for your racist, conservative platform elsewhere.
You will not get it from me. Not today or any day for that matter.
That is the last word.
1 Sep 2010, 18:53 pm
Johannes,
which 10 do u think we must start bleeding?
1 Sep 2010, 18:54 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-482:
Please do not speak to the man in the vernacular for you will encourage him to say negative and rude things about others(as he suggested you did) either in French or German or Spanish or his common language, Garbage.
1 Sep 2010, 18:55 pm
I will also position Smit and Matfield going forward as 55 minute operators.
after the 55-mark, they get replaced by:
1. smit –> bismark
2. matfield –> bekker
and juan takes over as captain.
everything in life is EXPECTATION mgmt. solves most problems.
1 Sep 2010, 18:56 pm
@cab(cab)-484:
don’t have a clue! i support the concept, not able to attach a name to it yet…not close enough to currie cup scene.
1 Sep 2010, 18:57 pm
@ET(ET)-479: Save face would assume a need for credibility here. That assumption is wrong.
This more like a kitten playing with a caught gecko. Examining it, maybe having a chew and then regurgitating it later on its assumed owner’s carpet.
I digress.
Black can refer to Blackness as in the degree to which an individual has, expresses, or acknowledges their ancestral, physical, cultural, and social ties to Black people of African descent.
The question is “do you?”.
I may.
1 Sep 2010, 19:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-482: so now you say what you assume is my race, is mad? Eish.
1 Sep 2010, 19:02 pm
keo.co.za is deeply in rapturous bedfellow embrace with JW and the schmuckabybaby english speaking rugby press, the likes of Rich, Greenaway, Lanning etc, and similar snotty nosed prat goons that all think they know the ins and the outs of this game better than the current bok coach. Who tells them without any reservation to all go take one long flying leap everytime they come snooping around with their double sided underhand JW inspired toffy nosed agendas, and so they are precisely cast right out the loop. Their backstabbing ways are rendered superflous to the national rugby cause because they hold no sway or influence as to how he conducts his springbok affairs. Unlike poncy boy White and Rich and Lanning and this lot who are all thick as thieves in bed together.
Hence this blatant toffy nosed uppercrust white agenda to rid the conscience of the brown clown exposing their ill willed modus for what it is, a ploy to get one of their toffy nosed pale faced gatgabbas back in the saddle so that they can try have some type influence back in the inner kring loop again.
Pdv is more Afrikaans in thinking and consciousness than even the most ardent verkrampte boertjie in the rugby fraternity, and these toffy nosed whitey white english speaking highfaluting know-it-alls can’t stomach him one little bit because he tells these ponsified little prat faced pundit palookas to take their stiff upper lipped snot nosed old **** attitudes and shove them exactly where they fit best, right up their own ponsified wet luminous backsides.
1 Sep 2010, 19:07 pm
Not quite sure what the White English got to do with the price of Cheese or tea. What you think the ou baas afr takes PdV to their bosom? That us really where the bruin ou is well and truly pegged.
1 Sep 2010, 19:08 pm
I would like all the PdV haters to stop for a minute and get a pen and paper and jot down 5 positive things that PdV has done for the team. Let me get the ball rolling:-
1) He is such a twit in the media that he keeps the attention off the players.
2) Coached 2 teams to victories in NZ (bigger than a WC IMHO).
3) Had the balls to pick Brossouw, without who we would have lost the Lions series.
4) ….. OK so I could come up with 3.
It would be good to see some positives from some people as he will be our coach at the 2011 WC.
HE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!! For those dumb enough to think that he will be fired (JC I know you really don’t think he will be) then you don’t know SA politics at all.
1 Sep 2010, 19:10 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-490: 1. You give JW too much machiaellian credit
2. Your racist dichotomy of “whitey white” english speaking know-it-alls vs ardent verkrampte boertjie is incorrect. JW is, in fact, a boertjie after all.
Utter bullsh.it, but bloody amusing nonetheless, my son.
1 Sep 2010, 19:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-493: Correction.
1. You give JW too much machiavellian credit
1 Sep 2010, 19:11 pm
@BokEd(BokEd)-492: You speak truth
1 Sep 2010, 19:13 pm
@willievz(willievz)-354:
Willie sorry, I knew I read something you posted to me but in the hustle and bustle i forgot to find it again until now.
There is an unhealthy working relationship between coach and players although they will all obviously deny it.
With any coach, players should not be seen to be making demands and getting positive reactions to those demands. This will undermine the always fragile team dynamics especially when you are dealing with overpaid, not so smart, mere sport performers.
The only way to correct this is to make wholesale changes with too much inexperience and it is far to close to the WC to do so thus it will not happen.
The whole bang lot of the spoilt and vain “2007 WC seniors” will be in N.Z. in 2011, barring injury and even that has to be catastrophic in nature.
1 Sep 2010, 19:14 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-490: That was classic. wahahahaha.
“ponsified little prat faced pundit” – That’s a keeper!!!
1 Sep 2010, 19:17 pm
Unfortunately the English like to rile folk up, virtually the entire english, oz, nz culture is based on a piss-take and some of our afr coaches get riled by this criticism and get defensive about it, which merely encourages the pot shots. He’s got to develop a thicker hide or a faster quickstep.
1 Sep 2010, 19:20 pm
its a garbage faced English thing, check it out who’s toffy noses are most put out of joint by the ‘clown’, yeah all the toffy nosed colonialist brethren of the long lost empire thats who, the Keohanes, Rich’s, White’s, Lannings of the world, even the toffy nosed colonialist Aussie and Kiwi press putting their toffy nosed English tuppence worths in.
Can vouch for it that Matfield and his broederbonders would far prefer going to war with a salt of the earth Afrikaans sprekende klontjie like PDivvy than anyone of those stiff upper lipped ponsified prat faced Engelsmanne like White and his crony arselicking brigade.
Any one wanna bet on it?
1 Sep 2010, 19:21 pm
@Johannes Expatinus(hanneslom)-480: WTF is so good about alistair Coetzee?
What has he done?
What has he won?
that demonstrates that he is a better coach than PdV?
1 Sep 2010, 19:25 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-499: But you say it is all inspired by JW who is after all a boertjie.
Pricksnot, are you being two-faced in the self-same fashion as you highlight in “english-speakers”?
1 Sep 2010, 19:25 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-499: Ja but Matfield doesn’t like White because he sent him home from NZ to have a haircut not because he isn’t a damduiker. Which he is actually.
1 Sep 2010, 19:26 pm
Well I’m not put out of joint, couldn’t care less either way, in fact IMO the best it to make light of it, cos as soon as he tries to button up, they going to feed on him like vultures. It also does not help that the boks do not appear to reciprocate the support he has shown to them. They can daren help out in interviews when a sarky comment is directed at him, especially if Engels is their native taal.
1 Sep 2010, 19:27 pm
its a bloody shame really. I beleved in PDV…..but he changed.
He has allowed too much interference in his vision….
I remember listening to White [ who i really despised ] saying that at the end of the day he would listen , but always would go his own way….because if he was fired he always wanted to know it was through his own choices…..not by others choices.
My heart goes out to PDV….his start was tainted by Hoskins….and after the horrible 2008 he seemed to ‘fold ‘ and allow others too much influence.
Personally i think we damned if we do and damned if we dont. Pdv stays the course it will mean the fat boys club dictate even more….pdv will be nothing more than a passenger afraid to rock the boat…..
If he goes its 13 months before show time…..
Oh well…2010 was always going to be make or break…..so far i rate the boks have had a wasted opportunity….all the season has proved is the ou ballies have been overplayed….and this we knew a while back.
the man management of boks is amateur hour, actually criminal. The contracted boks and the 3 stooges have made it damn difficult to bring others in [ maybe something to do with costs]….the 100 game tests precluded rest …..all in all a stuff up.
Out of 10…..a 2 score imo.
1 Sep 2010, 19:30 pm
The boertjies would rather have a klonkie, you must be joking, the only trenches they been in together was when the one was moering the other stukkend.
1 Sep 2010, 19:30 pm
@grant10(grant10)-504: Just get rid of donkey de Villiers (Jean) and things will come right in the bok and WePee backline. Its not the fatboy club thats at fault, its the blond donkey club.
1 Sep 2010, 19:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-506: d.ick Muir is head of the blonde donkey club – with Burger, De Villiers, CJ, bekker and WO being prime members…
get rid of these chaps with no ballas and things will all come right…
1 Sep 2010, 19:34 pm
Never heard so much horseshit in all my life – who the fk were the AWB? You think they have a fellowship of the klonkie? What you think the sharpeville riots were protesting over her majesty’s finest?
Fk me this is revelationary, the whole is mery confusion, it’s the engelse to blame.
1 Sep 2010, 19:37 pm
@cab(cab)-508: But you forget the Engelse have conquered and colonized the world – defeating all through the sweet, swift, stab of the double forked tongue…
1 Sep 2010, 19:41 pm
betcha if you took a consensus amongst the current players senior and junior who they rather go to WC 2011 with, PdV or Meyer or White, I betcha that consensus don’t come out like this ratfaced Keo inspired poll here where more than 80% want him fired. Betcha its more like the other way round or perhaps even unanimous that they stick by him now. Maybe with the exception of Frans Steyn if at all anyone of them.
1 Sep 2010, 19:45 pm
Oh yes I totally agree with that, I think the players like him alot. But keo and the engelse brethren are not the only stereotypical group to have put the knives in, who created all the kak about the *** tapes and Watson ******** chirps – not the engelse.
1 Sep 2010, 19:46 pm
Pdv is still having it easy, all he needs to do is shut his bloody big mouth! Who cares what the Boks think about Bees?
Frik tells Jake to go!
South Africa’s player of the century Frik du
Preez has told Jake White to pack his bags
as Springbok coach. He is not alone among
former Springboks.
Rapport newspaper predictably fired
cannons at White through former players
and the most significant of these was Du
Preez.
“It is a disgrace,” said Du Preez to Rapport
Newspaper. “Losing is not nice, but to lose
like this is very bad. The Boks lost before
they even walked onto the field. I don ’t
blame the players because they don’t pick
themselves. Blame the coach. I would have
walked if I was Jake White. I don ’t
understand why certain players don’t get
picked. Where are guys like Luke Watson,
Kabamba Floors, Tim Dlulane?
“If they (selectors) don’t know who to pick
then they can come and ask me. I will tell
them. ”
Former WP and Bok scrumhalf Divan
Serfontein said White should go and be
replaced by Free State coach Rassie
Erasmus, who is only into his second season
as a senior coach.
Serfontein accused White of having his
favourites and always talking about the
need to plan for the World Cup. Serfontein
said focus should be on getting the best out
of every test. ”
Former Free State and Bok flyhalf De Wet
Ras criticised the selections. He called them
pathetic.
He was especially critical of not playing with
a specialist openside flank, calling it
madness.
Burger Geldenhuys said he
struggled to finish watching the game.
“Jake White’s team selections are catching
up with him. It was suicide to play against
George Smith without a specialist fetcher. ”
Alan Zondagh completed the assault by
saying that technically the Boks were poor
and that White could no longer try and tell
the world the players he had in his national
group were the best ones.
This entry was posted on Saturday, July
15th, 2006
1 Sep 2010, 19:49 pm
South Africa sport/politics/rugby 101.
PdV will not be sacked. He will be reprimanded, apologise in public, undergo counselling, kept out of the limelight, (for a while), Boks will lose most of the end of year tests, lose Tri Nations in 2011, reach semi’s at the WC, will not reach the final, massive Bok exit,( retirement and Europe clubs) PdV contract end, Springbok rugby disappear into a big black hole, end of part one.
1 Sep 2010, 19:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-506: well i would certainly play JDJ…..but its also Spies…..fat boy….MS….lack of the opensiders….Habana that seems to have regessed at a rapid rate of kmots…
Certainly not just JDV…
1 Sep 2010, 19:52 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-510: if you heard that someone called you a bab oon at a site meeting you didn’t attend, would you be tjommies with them skop?
1 Sep 2010, 19:52 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-510: ja skoppie.
Maybe thats part of the problem….are they sticking with PDV because they then run the show?
Seems that way to me….
1 Sep 2010, 19:57 pm
@crowbar(crowbar)-513: What we do know is that you can have a kak per-WC season and still win it. There is no such thing as too much experience. It was no surprise that England made the last WC final. It was experience, experience, experience and………… not facing the Haka. We have such an experienced team and barring the usual “let’s sabotage our chances by causing a scene” we will be in good shape for next year. We don’t need to get rid of PdV. He does need PR help but so do a lot of coaches. Watch some ESPN and see some of the drivel that the NFL coaches spew. Let’s back the boys through thick and thin. Let’s also leave anything to do with Bees Roux out until the courts are done with the matter. Then we can pile in.
1 Sep 2010, 19:57 pm
i tell you 1 thing….
PDV better pray the boks win Saturday…..
Fark me….they lose….the Grim Reaper going to lurking about….
1 Sep 2010, 19:59 pm
Jake White is no Boertjie, his name might be Westerduin of Dutch decent, just like John Smit’s no boertjie with a Dutch surname sporting a soutie accent, while Juan Smith carries his English lost genes behind his proud Afrikaans heritage. Jacobus Westerduin is almost as wannabee English as they come and would be up Her Majesties pettycoat as fast as you could say Jack Sparrow or Henry Higginsbottom if he got half the toffy nosed chance.
Nah you ponsified pontificated Queenie colonial bred prats wouldn’t know a true bred ware sout van die arde Zuid Afrikaner if you had to trip over him, and you certainly don’t get any more ware Afrikaner in this country than the little bruin kleurling jestertjie Pieter De Villiers.
1 Sep 2010, 20:00 pm
The talk of the town in SA at the moment (amongst other things) is the proposed media tribunal.
Earlier today I had a conversation/debate with an ex-journalist, one who specialized in sport, specifically rugby journalism since the 70′s.
Now in general, I am against censorship of opinion, and believe that (to a degree) freedom of speech is a basic human right.
I mean personally I have stated my opinion on various online forums many times related to rugby matters…
However, I think there is a real case to be made for responsible reporting.
The duty of a journalist, is to report facts and happenings from the source, to the general public. I say DUTY because I think the difference between duty and job became somewhat of a grey area of late – not only in SA but worldwide.
A journalist (and keeping this to rugby) has the access to resources us normal guys on the street do not have. We rely on them to report thoughts, facts and opinions of those in positions of power accurately and factually.
Now I don’t think they (journalists) should be censored from including their personal opinion when it comes to matters they report on, but I do think that if they do, it needs to be a responsible, researched opinion backed up by facts and solid arguments.
When I joined this specific website years ago I remember one comment by the man Mark Keohane himself – I think it had reference to Straueli but I cannot remember accurately. Point however is he mentioned something as a rugby journalist or reporter, that he (implicating this very website) will not print a statement or quote from a person not willing to put his name in print (basically nothing of the sources close to the team bullshit who remain anonymous).
I respected that, because I believe in the same thing.
The thing is, these reporters have a lot of power. A type of power you and me reading sites like this, or buying newspapers don’t always realise.
They help form opinions on matters, to such an extent that what is read, is believed almost 99% of the time.
In the last 4 years or so however I have seen enough of reporters (in general and believe me there are some very good and honourable ones with integrity) to realise that what is generally said (by those interviewed) and that which is reported, is not factually correct, but conveniently skewed to suit a specific agenda.
So why would an individual have an agenda against a person like a rugby coach?
Well I do not believe it is anything personal really, but this comes back to something being a job, and something being a duty.
The job of a reporter is to write and print information to sell. Plain and simple.
The happenings surrounding PDV in the last 3 years, and even before that with the likes of Mallet, White etc. was a coach, saying what he believes to be true but how that is reported (opinionated columns) either supports him, or disagrees with him to sensationalize.
For every single ‘controversial’ comment PDV has made in his tenure, and argument can be made that he was speaking the truth, but the time, place and context for what he said was wrong.
In conclusion, this ex-reporter told me that ‘journalists’ did SA rugby a service in the past, espeically when it comes to getting guys like Viljoen and Straeuli fired or forcing them to resign…
My question to that remains that if we are to give media the power to do this, then what does that say of us or the sport of rugby union in this country?
If a person gets fired from a job, for reasons not related to his job (refer to the article above and issues outside of rugby) then that says more about the individual trying to discredit him, than the individual he is campaigning against…
And that is all I have to say about that… (credit to Forest Gump)
Ciao
1 Sep 2010, 20:04 pm
I am sure that the Boks will do us proud! (by 10 points)
Warning bells Divv!! Lucky for him the WC is to close.
1 Sep 2010, 20:06 pm
Tell you what you so enamoured with the ware regte egte why don’t you go onto one of their sites and see how long you last? This bunch of toffee nosed prays let’s you vloeking them the whole day, go try that at RT or Rapport?
Your ethnic group was also persona non gray amongst the regte egte boers least you forget.
1 Sep 2010, 20:11 pm
i am a regte egte saffa….fark the tribes.
1 Sep 2010, 20:12 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-520: Brilliant post. Legend.
1 Sep 2010, 20:17 pm
to be fair to Cardinelli ….he is on the button…..
1 Sep 2010, 20:21 pm
@BokEd(BokEd)-517: I also do not want PdV to go. It will be suicide. The players and team believe in him and them in him.
That combination is crucial for the WC. You are right experience counts a lot. I think that the dynamics inside the team is still working with all that experience and leaders I suspect PdV is just one of the coaches. Not so sure if Caesar should trust Gold & company.
My concern is that our experience might have reached the expiry date. Hope I am wrong.
1 Sep 2010, 20:22 pm
Previous Bok coaches like Viljoen/Streauli/Mallett/White etc all had hordes of offers from other clubs, countries after they resigned/was fired etc… For some reason I can’t see PDivvy being offered ANY job overseas OR any S15 job? He’s better off going back to Athlone…
1 Sep 2010, 20:27 pm
Watch the post match presser
supersport.com/video/video5.aspx?play=11603
you can clearly see he’s reading from a prompter or script behind th3e desk and he still makes a hash of it. The comments at the end about Smit and Matfield are cringe-worthy…
1 Sep 2010, 20:30 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-527: who offered world cup winning coach jake white a job after being fired by SARU? Wasn’t jake the same coach who refused to have a DOR oversee him when he was coach yet was shouting to high heaven that he is the right guy to be DOR over Pdv?
1 Sep 2010, 20:33 pm
He’s on the button allright grantie..
The panic button.
1 Sep 2010, 20:33 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-527:With all those offers received by the mentioned elite, how many were successful coaches and or are still coaching overseas? Just Mallet? PdV might just not want to coach anywhere else…
1 Sep 2010, 20:34 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-529: The same JW who was fired as video technician under Mallet…
1 Sep 2010, 20:34 pm
Carel Du Plessis was “let go” after a complete clubbing of canary wombats.
Let’s hope that history repeats itself.
1 Sep 2010, 20:40 pm
When did this become a boertjie, soutie or race issue. The article is about how PDV has embarrassed SARU, the Boks and South Africa with his loose canon mouth and one dimensional tactics.
Supporting someone who is accused of murder is not something any Bok coach should be doing, in fact why mention it at all, has this player ever been in the Bok squad, I don’t think so!
South Africa need a competent professional coach who has experience coaching championship sides at the professional level. Just because Jake White had success with the juniors does not mean that every coach without a solid Super 14 and Currie Cup resume will succeed.
Let’s face it, the PDV experiment has failed and the sooner they appoint a real coach like Heineke Meyer (who should have been appointed in the first place) or whoever else is worthy of the appointment the better off the Boks will be next year in New Zealand.
PS I am a Sharks fan so this is not some crazed Bulls fan’s rant but a realistic comment on the real theme of the article.
1 Sep 2010, 20:42 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-419: Blah blah blah, bud I really wish youd invest in a simile dictionary so that you dont have to spew out the same old rhetoric over and over again – perhaps instead of lilly livered try using yellow bellied – and try not frothing at the mouth when youre at it. I shudder to think what your keyboard looks like. And yes I´d like to get rid of the bruin ou and get a black ou in ok? Hows that? If your dumbass tried reading what people were saying a lot of people would like Allister Coetzee in – another bruinou … so ja we´d like to get rid of the bruinou – gotta politicize everything. Its cos I´m black!
Boring… next.
1 Sep 2010, 20:44 pm
@panniepeet(panniepeet)-527:
Another statement with no facts to back it up.
As long as you can diss PdV, you’re da man among you friends, of hoe?
1 Sep 2010, 20:48 pm
It actually doesnt matter who our coach is because i can factually say people, the press, will find something about this person to criticize and ridicule.
You cannot please everyone, but if the players are happy, who are we to complain.
1 Sep 2010, 20:48 pm
I have reservations about they who set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner. Irrespective of the merit of taking appropriate action, have a good look at yourself!
1 Sep 2010, 20:49 pm
Viljoen never got offered nothing, Streauli left in disgrace and somehow schmoozled his way up Brian Van Zyl’s blowpipe to land a DOR at Sharks, not coach, he was diabolical as coach, PdV 1000 times the coach Streauli or Viljoen could be.
Nobody offered White a coaching job anywhere, though his fanfare spin doctors like the cronies that wanna shoot PdV down here pretended he was offered appointments left right and center which was plain utter bulldust, cos he wasn’t offered f’all, not a single one.
Only coach to coach reasonably successfully after his Bok gig, and that is only reasonably, not even anything to write home about was Mallet, who stuffed up his WP DOR appointment something chronic picking Van Der Merwe as head coach.
Sp Panniepiepiejoller’s little side swipe at trying to discredit PdV,s credentials is as far fetched bullsh’t baffles brains as they come.
As one on one coaches go PdV is still one the best this country has seen and leaves most his predecessors in the shade in terms of direct coaching ability on the field goes. White was useless, totally out his depth till Jones caressed and cajoled him out his stupor.
As for the other white has beens not a single one barring Mallet, and quite possibly Du Plessis if they’d have let him see through his visionary purpose, were anywhere near as good a hands on rugby coach as PdV actually is.
1 Sep 2010, 20:51 pm
Touring Squad for Europe:
Props
CJ Van Der Linde
Beast mTwarira
WP Nel
Wian Du Preez
Locks
Bakkies Botha
Flip Van Der Merwe
Andries Bekker
Danie Roussouw
Loosies
Heinreich Brussouw
Juan Smith (Capt)
Duane Vermeulen
Ryan Kankowski
Francois Louw
Joe Van Niekerk
Scrummies
Francois Hougaard
Sarel Pretorius
Pretty Boys
Morne Steyn
Butch James
Centres
Jean De Villiers
Jaque Fourie
Juan De Jongh
Wings
JP Pieterson
Bjorn Basson
Lwazi Mvovo
Gerhard Van Den Heever
Fullbacks
Francois Steyn
Gio Aplon
Sparewheels
Ruan Pienaar
Patrick Lambie
Coaches
Heyneke Meyer (Head)
Os Durandt (Scrummaging)
Robbie Fleck (Backline)
John McFarland (Defense)
Matthew Proudfoot (Forwards)
Vlok Cilliers (Kicking)
1 Sep 2010, 20:51 pm
@motomouse(motomouse)-534: i thought the structure the Boks play with is the sole invention of one Jake White
when did it become Pdv’s tactics? Have the senior players stopped coaching the team?
1 Sep 2010, 20:53 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-539:
Gaan terug berg toe.
1 Sep 2010, 20:54 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-537: nope, the media LURRVE Heineken Meyer…
1 Sep 2010, 20:56 pm
@YoMama(YoMama)-542: lol no hookers???
1 Sep 2010, 20:59 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-537: ja
the Fat Boys Club are ecstatic…
1 Sep 2010, 21:00 pm
@YoMama(YoMama)-540: Not bad:
Mine:
Props:
Beast
Coenie Oosthuizen
Werner Kruger
BJ Botha
Hookers:
Bismarck
Liebenberg
Locks:
Flip vd Merwe
Bakkies
Becker
Anton van Zyl
Loosies:
Brussouw if fit
Francois Louw
Dewalt Potgieter
Juan Smith (capt)
Willem Alberts
Duane Vermeulen
Scrummies:
Sarel Pretorius
Francois Houghaard (as centre and substitute scrummie)
Flyhalves:
Butch James/ Peter Grant
Patrick Lambie
Centres:
Jean de Villiers
Juan de Jongh
Jacques Fourie
Wings:
Lwazi Mvovo
Bjorn Basson
Gio Aplon
JP Pietersen
Fullbacks:
Frans Steyn
(Lambie or Aplon for subs)
perhaps Riaan Viljoen or old Jantjes to get him back on track
1 Sep 2010, 21:01 pm
Transformation(Transformation) – 541
That is exactly what I meant by one dimensional tactics, PDV directing the team to play the tactics implemented by Jake White.
The Boks won last year with the kick chase approach but then when the laws of the game changed Graham Henry went away and formulated a new game plan. The All Blacks implemented it to perfection this year while PDV and Boks have persisted with a tactic that has been sussed out and countered by the opposition.
1 Sep 2010, 21:02 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-544:
Only the Aussie team use hookers.
Sorry, but I couldn’t help that one.
My Hookers would be
Bismarck Du Plessis
Chilliboy Rallepelle
1 Sep 2010, 21:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-543: Nay Sharkformation ::-): he would get nailed. Whoever is coach has one of those shooting target thingies on them, some will defend and some will attack, human nature.
1 Sep 2010, 21:03 pm
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-45:
He is a coach in name only. Everyone know that, how come you are in the dark?
1 Sep 2010, 21:04 pm
@grant10(grant10)-523: you are a no-balls little mangirl who is so far up his own a ss that you cannot call excreta like skopshit on his whitey white ramblings but want to portray yourself as some kind of magnanimous all loving saint.
you should be sterilised along with skopshit, suffer guy and saru1983.
but the three of you are so far in the past that i would guess you have already had the chance to breed sadly.
as for JC, get fukked weasel. PdV will lead us to the WC and you and your CT based jellyfish can squirm like the outcasts you are.
am i clear?
1 Sep 2010, 21:05 pm
@YoMama(YoMama)-548:
its cool mate
1 Sep 2010, 21:05 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-539: skop….i rate your opinion mopre than anyone else here…..some of your predictions sounded left firld but often are proven correst.
So respect.
But i have to ask…..where or how do you come to the conclusion PDV is a great coach? I havent really seen it….in fact i will say Boks have become rather 1 dimensional and boring….even last year we won on a skop en jaag ….
Seriously not sure that Pdv has a clue ….IMO. But i hope i am wrong.
1 Sep 2010, 21:06 pm
@YoMama(YoMama)-542: gaan struik jou smous pelle in die mielies
whats up @Slumtown(Slumtown)-535: , I step on your holy English colonially ingrained toes?
Alistair Coetsee is a kak coach a JW stooge that needed Eddy Jones to show him how a backline ticks, and so is almost every other saffa stooge coach in the country including Heyneke Meyer, who stuffed up his Leicester gig, came crying home and now wants to pick up the aftermath pieces.
White is useless, and all the other S14 or CC coaches barring perhaps the 2 Kiwi’s Mitchell and Plumtree.
PdV is still head and shoulders better than most or the lot, except dumb schmuck anglicized 1820 settlers such as yourself simply can’t see it.
1 Sep 2010, 21:12 pm
@grant10(grant10)-553: @skopskiet(yliad)-554: haha, which ne of you wants to play cosatu and which will be anc?
an unholy alliance formed in mutual hatred, bound to end badly.
life is so schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
and the sharks rule supreme.
1 Sep 2010, 21:17 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-175:
Didn’t he have a boyfriend called Bobby?
1 Sep 2010, 21:21 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-551:
You are being far to kind to the pric.
1 Sep 2010, 21:21 pm
Ai all these rofstooi rowwe ou baasetjies. The regte egte diamanté who actually built the country through the sweat of their brow. What a load of horseshit, I worked in the job fo 2 years, they are the laziest ******** I’ve ever met which is precisely why they do it.
1 Sep 2010, 21:22 pm
let me paraprhase to illustrate my point:
typical snotty nosed little black boy PDV arsecreep agendas, pitiful bunch of lily livered blackie blouses calling for the witous blood cos he tells these pompous littlesnotty nosed prat eyed pricks where to get off.
1 Sep 2010, 21:23 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-210: Great Team! The only things I would change are;
1. You need Morne on 10. Best kicker in SA. Top scorer in this year in S14 …EVER;
2. JPP is a 14 not a 11. I played 14 and it is very difficult to swop to 11. Alternatively Shadow.
3. Best 11 at the moment is Killian, then Basson, then Habana.
Good idea to have Smit on the bench. Can play Hooker and THead,
Would like to have JL Potgieter on the bench. Can play 10, 12 & 13. Kicking is great too.
Personally I don’t like Aplon. 4th best 14 in the country. Scored no tries in the S14. To small and too old at 27. Got lucky against a second rate french team. Thats his only claim to fame.
1 Sep 2010, 21:23 pm
Hier kom die allabullshitters
1 Sep 2010, 21:23 pm
@cab(cab)-558: huh?
which job are you referring to cabbie?
1 Sep 2010, 21:28 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-546:
I like your ideas but:
Coenie is still “‘n bietjie nat agter die ore” I’m liking giving him a good shot in 2011.
Anton Van Zyl is a great Currie cup player. Let’s leave it there. He does not have enough dominance in either lock speciality, ie: enforcer, nor set-piece maestro.
Perhaps you’re right about Dewald Potgieter. Once again though, he is a solid hard worker, but doesn’t have any specific specialist skill, ie: fetcher, barger or creative link. Good enough for any loose trio anywhere in the world. Just too much competition for three spots. He needs a really good Super 15 next year to go to the World Cup.
Willem Alberts, a one skill wonder may be fine for provincial level but maybe not international. Another play who needs to do something special in the Super15.
I prefer Peter Grant to any other number 10 apart from Vetkop. His problem though, is that Jappies aren’t as good competition as the Jaapies. He signed his career away for a few yen.
Lambie is a must for this tour. Conrad need to be thinking about overseas options to play out his career.
1 Sep 2010, 21:29 pm
Hello danger. Ag just stirring n Klein bietjie met die ou menere, die wie werklik ken, werklik, jy weet die ernstige folken Kenner, want hul weet alles.
1 Sep 2010, 21:30 pm
anyways, back to my point.
does my post at 559 seem rational?
why is this immediately a race issue with black vs white?
the answer is: its not.
but some people want it to be that way. the race hatred defines them. its tragic but i see no end to it.
1 Sep 2010, 21:32 pm
dis verby Mery, die mense wat dink hulle gaat n skoon glad held soos Heyneke Meyer kry om bok afrigter te wees le met lang oe onder die gras. Die saak is aan die gang om te draai, die bokke se heilige geskiedenis is agter die rug, nou is dit tyd om die wiele aan die rol te kry, n nuwe dispensasie is ingestel en Bokke is op pad na n nuwe heining waar die ou doos geskiedenis klaar gevrek is. Ou doos rugby is sat, nou is dit tyd om nuwe koeverte te rek en die mense wat juis dapper genoeg is om die waaheid in die oe vas te kyk sal die nuwe geskiedenis kan inhaal en bykom.
1 Sep 2010, 21:33 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-241: Sure, leave out JF. Only the 3rd best try scorer of ALL TIME in SA rugby and second best in this year’s S14. Rather pick a guy that scored 1 try in the S14 as apposed to 7!
1 Sep 2010, 21:35 pm
@cab(cab)-564: howdy cabbo.
ja, me too. i hate hypocrites and as hypocrites go, i find the camps bay race-guru to be about as big as they come.
blame it on white guilt i suppose but i often wonder how many times a week the poor old ballie wakes up in a cold sweat from a dream where the masses have come to repossess the house and benefits he accrued under the apartheid regime.
probably its skop leading the mob
1 Sep 2010, 21:38 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-274: Agreed!
1 Sep 2010, 21:39 pm
paraphrase that Rangerprude
1 Sep 2010, 21:40 pm
Ranger, nah I just figure what good for the goose is good for the gander. How was Scotland?
1 Sep 2010, 21:41 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-549: lmao @ SharkFormation
so when one signs a Bok contract they automatically have a Bull’s Eye on the back?
1 Sep 2010, 21:46 pm
little weedy Ranger prude thinking he’s a big shot, little schmuckabybaby still wet behind the ears with his nappy chafing his lily limp soft soap @ss. Some idiots just remain what they are, no chance anyone can teach them anything, life will simply smack them around the ears and lead them the merry dance they need to grow out their fancy pants daydreams.
1 Sep 2010, 21:51 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-570: *** off “fa ggot”.
@cab(cab)-571: it was awesome cab. truly a beaut country with wonderful people. i will go back as soon as i can.
@Transformation(Transformation)-572: howdy transie. you may be interested to know that i am drinking a Dalwhinnie at the maoment.
have Lagavulin, Lapphroiag and Bowmore on my shelf now having visited the distilleries on Islay. love that peaty west coast whisky.
1 Sep 2010, 21:53 pm
Yes very pretty hey, spectacular scenery. Did you have a wee dram then?
1 Sep 2010, 21:53 pm
anyway…..lets wait and see how it all pans out….
a win Sat vital i reckon.
A loss will possibly be the end for pdv
Hope the fat boys club come to pdv s aid….he has backed them and now looks like the fat boys may hold his fuure in there greedy chubby little paws…..
Best of luck pdv
you gonna need it i reckon.
outta here
1 Sep 2010, 21:54 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-573: yes yes. so full of bravado.
if you dont like me drawing attention to your racist ramblings, simply stfu.
1 Sep 2010, 21:57 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-574: howzit ranger…wow some seriously yummy stuff you stocking…well i have to go to the isle myself to indulge…
1 Sep 2010, 21:58 pm
@cab(cab)-575: haha, a wee dram.
the chap who does the tour at Laphroiag was absolutely cracker. He told us that up until Health and Safety ruined things in 1983, everyone at the distillery got two drams a day..”and it wasnt one of the wee drams you get today, it was a belter!”
1 Sep 2010, 21:59 pm
Peter De Villiers will most likely not land a job coaching a NZ, Aus, French, Australian or British provincial or club team. Here is certainly no super 15 franchise in SA that will even consider to appoint him.
How on earth can he be than in charge of arguably the most talented crop of rugby players to emerge in several generations of South African rugby?
I do not know of one single good reason.
1 Sep 2010, 22:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-578: transie, my boet (who is pounds flush living in london) went absolutely mad, buying “special reserve” botttles from every distillery we went to (oban too).
but the whole process is absolutely fascinating and highly recommended.
1 Sep 2010, 22:02 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-580: melanin
1 Sep 2010, 22:03 pm
When he started out he had (as always) a lot to say. He made us believe he is going to transform the SA game in terms of representation as well as in playing style. He has failed dismally on both accounts – still the same old kick and charge game used by White- still only two wings and one forward from the previously disadvantaged groups. In fact, Jake White probably did more for transformation than him.
1 Sep 2010, 22:03 pm
Ranger
lol, yip those scots are a different species
that whisky is horrific stuff.
You go to any of the islands?
1 Sep 2010, 22:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-572: You like that lololo, yes i think they do, such trash on tv tonight, thankgoodness for V at 10 o clock.
You must have lost signal same time as me, see you also disappeared, Raceing Metro giveing Clermont a hideing,
1 Sep 2010, 22:04 pm
you a joke ranger prudent little predictable prude, you really think you make one iota of a beeswax impression with anything you might think or say regarding what I might have splashed around over here you gotta seriously think you way more influential than you possibly are.
Whatever you have to say regarding anything relevant to my thoughts or thinking is really and totally inconsequential and absolutely unequivocally without any influence or value at all, so be my guest, continue thinking the irrelevant thoughts or opinions you express make any impression whatsoever, perhaps they might to others, but I should inform you for your own sake that to me they absolutely without any remote vague possibility most certainly don’t.
1 Sep 2010, 22:06 pm
Methinks someone doth protest too much
1 Sep 2010, 22:08 pm
@cab(cab)-584: haha, i LOVE whisky cab.
went only to Islay.
took my breath away.
1 Sep 2010, 22:08 pm
RobbieZ
so I take it you are not a fan of the Great One?
1 Sep 2010, 22:09 pm
Wonder if Martin Johnson and PDV have ever had a chat!!
Imagine what it would sound like…..”Nobody loves me” !!
“Hey dude, nobody loves me either”
1 Sep 2010, 22:09 pm
Divvy seems to be incapable of learning (even something basic like to think before he talks) and stumbles from one controversy to the other – we are certainly not going to win the world cup with him in charge and to spare as further embarrassment in the face of international media he should be fired after Saturday whether we win or lose.
Of course it won’t happen. He will take the old boys club to the world cup and they will lose. And he will not cry like John Smit (after his 100th test) when we it happens – he will blame someone or something else and walk away with a smile and a pocket full of money .
But he will never find another well paid job like this in rugby anywhere in the world
1 Sep 2010, 22:10 pm
@cab(cab)-589:
I lost my faith in the great one Cab.
1 Sep 2010, 22:10 pm
Evening All – Looks like it is ‘Fight Club’ here tonight!
1 Sep 2010, 22:10 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-586: i own you old man.
dont forget it.
now have another dop, put your nappy on and get into bed.
1 Sep 2010, 22:10 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-419:
Ah! Skoppie, how are things down in Skopland today?
Judging by your rambling posts you are convinced about many things but unfortunately right about few. But, you don’t know that do you? Living in Skopland where Skoppie is always right and very clever has made you a stranger to reality.
Hopefully, Big Ears and Noddy will pop by soon, then you can invite G10 around for tea. There you have it, a match made in heaven – The Awesome Foursome!
1 Sep 2010, 22:15 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-580: aye
@Robzim(Robzim)-591: aye
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-595: fk’adillydoowopboogaloo
1 Sep 2010, 22:17 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-595:
1 Sep 2010, 22:18 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-595:
ag skop isnt so bad, he just HATES those racist whitey white whinging whitey white english whiteys.
you know, the snivelling snot nosed fkadilly fk faced fkholes.
if we are all just one big experiment then i would guess skop is a n element best kept in the dark.
1 Sep 2010, 22:20 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-591: I agree with you. I wanted the guy to do well but he has lost it now. The Bees comments cemented the deal for me.
1 Sep 2010, 22:21 pm
“Earlier this year, his comment on live television intimated referees favoured the All Blacks because of the 2011 World Cup, and referees knew it was in New Zealand’s interest that the home team remained successful.”
Well Bob Dwyer, Victor Matfield,Saru and 99% of the rugby followers of SA, England and Australia also think that is true and so do I.
Good for P. de V. for saying so and good for him for sticking by his players. His big failing was that he didn’t know how to finesse his dialogue – but in terms of supporting his players he was probably the most loyal we’ve had. Because you know the next guy is going to roll over and take the blatant prejudicial reffing and throw his players to the sharks the first moment somebody goes ‘boo’.
1 Sep 2010, 22:21 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-594: Bushy. Those big island malts don’t do it for me. Too aggressive, too front foot forward, and lacking finesse.
Ok not quite.
But dalwhinney is not bad. Springbank is lovely, Oban is great. And if you ask anyone of the blenders in Diageo they will tell you that Johnny Walker Pure Malt (Green Label) is the most drinkable “single” malt whisky out there.
1 Sep 2010, 22:23 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-598: Phosphorouskiet just explodes on contact with his keyboard.
1 Sep 2010, 22:24 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-602: SulphurCaboxide just stinks it up.
1 Sep 2010, 22:25 pm
@J.B. Cowper(J.B. Cowper)-600: I love satire.
1 Sep 2010, 22:26 pm
you know they say those that think they clever are actually stupid, those that think they are stupid are probably wise, and those that appear to know absolutely f’all actually might know everything there is to know.
As to some the schmucks in here, who think they so smart@ss clever, and these prissy little snot nosed prats that know absolutely nothing about anything yet believe they know so much, its a foregone conclusion that these pitiful little dweebs might still get to realize someday somehow somewhere what it is they’re breathing and contemplating between their imbecilic unknowing and blustering brainless brevity of braggadocio ambivalence.
1 Sep 2010, 22:27 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-592:
To say that, it means you had faith /belief initially. Why?
Do you remember his first game against Wales in 2008 or the last 3N game against Aussies also in 2008?
Where you not impressed with those performances.
If so then you have to ask why did they turn away from that type of game.
Can you provide any clarity on that answer?
1 Sep 2010, 22:30 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-601: they are quite aggressive joe, i must say.
lagavulin in particular is a whisky you wont be finding delicate.
but i like that.
Dalwhinnie is a bit of an all rounder really.
Oban is great, like Talisker too. havent had Springbank or that Johnny.
laphroiag is one of only 6 distilleries left in scotland where they smoke the barley on site themselves with their own peat. fascinating. funnily enough, there were mice and mice traps everywhere in the barley drying and aging rooms.
phosphorous was an option for my analogy. but its white.
1 Sep 2010, 22:31 pm
ET
living in the states do you view yourself more like Malcolm x, dr king, James farmer or kunta kinte?
1 Sep 2010, 22:33 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-605: They?
from the University of They?
or you?
form the University of B ullshit?
but dont take me too seriously, i know absolutely f’all.
1 Sep 2010, 22:33 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-601:
I’ve got a table booked on Friday night for a Johnnie Walker tasting freebie in Hermanus. Apparently they take you through the range and having only tasted red and black, I’m really looking forward to it. And of course, the fact that it’s a freebie helps
1 Sep 2010, 22:34 pm
@cab(cab)-608: more like that chap from Roots.
1 Sep 2010, 22:35 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-610: lucky man.
1 Sep 2010, 22:35 pm
here’s a little curve ball to set the lynx amongst the pheasants
In 1975 I drove from Penzance in Cornwall to John ‘O Groats on north east shore of Scotland in my 1964 model Triumph Herald Estate, and across the fjords of the northern coastline and down the other side via Skye, not before I had crossed the ferry to Orkney and spent some long summer days where nights were non existent.
All that long before you were even contemplated in your dads haggis sack, dear ‘lil Lord Fauntleroy Ranger prudential prude.
1 Sep 2010, 22:35 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-605: Well Miss Phosphorous 1974 – on that scale where do you place yourself?
I know, because I know everything.
Graeme Pollock coverdrive for 4. All along the ground. No one moves, like they are statues. The crowd go nuts. Ball 2.
1 Sep 2010, 22:35 pm
i’ve met old men like pdv, who can’t be quiet and just blast people with the silent treatment. Even when a f’kadilly is getting all jivey sometimes you just need to maintain your personal intergrity and let the weasel have his rain dance.
Pdv is incapable of that, i especially felt sorry for him being around those foolish aussie Rugby Club pranksters parading as rugby commentators! He didn’t have a chance in hell of surviving that one!
Even the kak journos in SA now seem to have figured him out, he is too wound up and it stems from paranoia – too scared of being undermined!
‘I’m the BOSS of Springbok rugby’ wtf man!
1 Sep 2010, 22:36 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-554:
Eish, I miss living in the Cape. Free banter is always spicy.
Seriously though, PDV is smart enough to know to not try coach this Bok team.
In SA we make too much out of who is sitting in the birdcage with a camera stuffed in their face. Truly, hey. We care more about who the Bok coach is that who the president is.
The greatest teams are led by great players; John Eales, Martin Johnson, Michael Jones, Francois Pienaar and John Smit.
If you take those men out of those teams, they would have been losing teams.
What teams really need is a manager, not a “Head Coach”. Each team needs skills coaches, media spokesmen and baggage carriers and one person who ties it all together. English soccer has the right idea. Alex Ferguson last coached about 25 years ago. Nowadays, he ensures that he has the best people at his disposal, playing and coaching, and ensures that it is all working well together.
P.Div has not added anything to SA Rugby, apart from entertainment. He has been smart enough to let his Generals fight on the battlefield.
1 Sep 2010, 22:37 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-613: they are lochs. fjords are scandinavian.
you are older than me. well done.
1 Sep 2010, 22:37 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-613: The only fjord outside of Scandinavia is on the West Coast of Ireland – Leenan.
Hook for 6. Hardly moved my feet. Just timing. And an incredible eye. Who cares about Barry Richards.
1 Sep 2010, 22:39 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-612:
Double lucky because I’ll miss the WP game and the way they’ve been playing I fear the worst.
I see you enjoyed your visit to the old country Ranger. I had a visitor from Edinburgh last week laden with goodies. Bloody kids have scoffed the lot already…
1 Sep 2010, 22:39 pm
@cab(cab)-608:
Only as that S.African called E.T.(not Eugene Terre.).
No hero-worshipping in my life.
Life is simple let’s keep it so.
1 Sep 2010, 22:39 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-607: I am also enjoying some Rye’s and Bourbons over here. The Rye can be quite hard work though.
But as you can see I am a bit of wuss when it comes to whiskey.
But I honestly prefer not to need a knife & fork to drink my whiskey.
1 Sep 2010, 22:40 pm
Now that’s a nice trip ou doosie went on – would love to see the njorwegians fjords and cracks
1 Sep 2010, 22:40 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-614: LMAO! great cricket analogy master sodayoda!
1 Sep 2010, 22:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-615: aye.
1 Sep 2010, 22:41 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-598:
1 Sep 2010, 22:42 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-613:
I was banned from the Orkneys in 1981. True story
1 Sep 2010, 22:43 pm
ET
no hero worshipping? Come on, What about bakkies?
1 Sep 2010, 22:44 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-610: At The Marine Hotel?
1 Sep 2010, 22:45 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-611:
So says the man of ” Bantu peoples of South Africa ” fame and fortune. How very Verwoerdian(or Malan- or Botha- or De Klerkian) is that not, in short, how RACIST?
Directly translated means “people peoples” that’s how little respect they had for fellow S. Africans then and still now.
1 Sep 2010, 22:46 pm
lochs are inland lakes, like Loch Ness and Loch Lomand, fjords are what you get where the coastline is jagged through glacial activity and even in Scotland they still known as fjords believe it or not, maybe ask Jockbok he should know better than most.
1 Sep 2010, 22:47 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-618:
and corrected i am.
like i said, i know f’all.
@JockBok(JockBok)-619: it was simply incredible. i still havent found the words.
but the midgies were ba st ards.
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-621: fair enough.
maybe you should try them with a little…..uhm…soda?
(jonty rhodes backsweep for four, it works but i shouldnt really do it)
1 Sep 2010, 22:47 pm
Lagavulin
The king of whisky.
Only for when entertaining the upper echelons of society.
Cabinet ministers and pole dancers.
1 Sep 2010, 22:47 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-626: When that sheep took you to court for sexual harassment? It’s all becoming clear – they banished you to NZ but you hopped the boat in SA and hid amongst the bovines in Stanford. Ok.
1 Sep 2010, 22:47 pm
@cab(cab)-627:
You have claimed him before I could even consider putting in a claim.
1 Sep 2010, 22:49 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-626: what you do to upset those nonchalant folk up there?
1 Sep 2010, 22:49 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-628:
It’s at the Burgundy Restaurant beside the market square.
Got a free seat if you’re interested Joe. Leave now you might just make it….
1 Sep 2010, 22:50 pm
@gunther(gunther)-632: The Pole Dancers here are different to your Sea Point hang outs. They like Kristal or Vodka.
They also don’t not wear long pajamas like those who drink Lagavulin.
Quick single. Just in. Heavy breathing.
1 Sep 2010, 22:51 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-626: from the entire orkneys?
tell us the story jockbock, cmon man!
@ET(ET)-629: keep trying to convince yourself that bantu is a racist word. wtf would you know anyway? your cape town upbringing probably left you sadly alienated from bantu tradition and language.
@skopskiet(yliad)-630: funny that. maybe take a look at a map sometime. you must have navigated by the direction the boom smoke was drifting.
1 Sep 2010, 22:52 pm
Mcskopskiet
Of the Macfuckadilly clan.
Scottish fjord expert.
Last of the great Mcmohicans.
1 Sep 2010, 22:52 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-636: It’s a bleddy long way to swim.
Don’t go swimming in the Old Harbour now Jockmeister. Behave with calm and decorum and keep your kilt over your knees, even when sitting down.
Defensive block. Stare down the bowler. Look intently for bald patches and cracks.
1 Sep 2010, 22:52 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-617:
Hey man, you are supposed to know f..all!
1 Sep 2010, 22:53 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-624: hey cooldrinkJoe
1 Sep 2010, 22:53 pm
@cab(cab)-608:
I live in S.Africa but work like a dog in the U.S.A.
I will drop my wife at the airport on Tuesday to fly to S.A via Amsterdam to Cape Town and Port Elizabeth and will look forward to all the niceties she brings from the Motherland including Oumas’ rusks, provita, appletiser and of course some red vino and I will not give Soda a drop of the vino no matter how nicely he asks.
1 Sep 2010, 22:54 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-633:
@skopskiet(yliad)-635:
Haha, nothing to do with sheep, honest guvnor. It was on a school cycling trip and some muppet vandalised a sun dial. We were kicked off the island two days early and told never to come back. I was completely innocent and highly ashamed you honour :/
1 Sep 2010, 22:56 pm
Sodalite
The pole dancers I know douche with Grey Goose.
Two step six over extra cover.
New ball please.
1 Sep 2010, 22:56 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-630: Scotland (where fjords are called called firths, the Scots language cognate of fjord; lochs or sea lochs)
1 Sep 2010, 22:56 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-638:
Why don’t you ask Mandela if its acceptable or not or derogatory and thus an anachronism of apartheid, like you are.
1 Sep 2010, 22:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-615: Sounds like Rudi Straeuli, he got so paranoid that he hired a body guard
Harry Viljoen, said his children got teased
Jake White said that you get 2 types of Bok coaches, those that have been fired and those that will be fired
1 Sep 2010, 22:57 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-646: Without a doubt a certain 4, saved by diving Skops on the boundary. Only 2.
1 Sep 2010, 22:57 pm
@gunther(gunther)-632:
certainly has its own character.
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-641: hehehe, i thought i did too.
@ET(ET)-643: my brother misses provitas but has found a shop in putney that sells them now.
1 Sep 2010, 22:59 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-646:
Heard on the radio…….
Tonights football and it’s over the Firth of Forth to Fife. East Fife 5, Forfar 4.
1 Sep 2010, 23:00 pm
From Wikipedia, just for the well read and learned amongst us
This category has the following 17 subcategories, out of 17 total.
[×] International fjords (4 P)
A
[×] Fjords of Antarctica (6 P)
[+] Fjords of the Arctic Ocean (3 C, 1 P)
B
[×] Bays of South Georgia (52 P)
C
[+] Fjords of Canada (3 C, 5 P)
*
[×] Fjords of Chile (14 P)
D
[+] Fjords of Denmark (2 C, 10 P)
F
[×] Fjords of Finland (1 P)
*
[+] Fjords of Scotland (2 C)
G
[×] Fjords of Germany (4 P)
I
[×] Fjords of Iceland (22 P)
*
[×] Fjords of Ireland (1 P)
N
[×] Fjords of New Zealand (6 P)
*
[+] Fjords of Norway (15 C, 7 P)
R
[×] Fjords of Russia (3 P)
U
[+] Fjords of the United Kingdom (1 C)
*
[+] Fjords of the United States (2 C, 1 P)
1 Sep 2010, 23:00 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-592:
Hey Robbo where are you hiding. You did a provocative rugby hit and run and now you busy Skyping?
1 Sep 2010, 23:00 pm
643 ET
Academia or industry? Sounds like the missus is doing a good run, same stuff I like, except where’s the biltong? U really believe that bullshit about red meat?
1 Sep 2010, 23:02 pm
@ET(ET)-647: i dont need to old timer, i know its not already.
you are a dinosaur and increasingly irelevant.
1 Sep 2010, 23:04 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-641: yup he still does
1 Sep 2010, 23:05 pm
@toddke(toddke)-285:
um, why do you keep ‘answering’ to Questions I simply havent asked ?
The Question was ‘Who were Boks QterF and SemiF opponents ?”, which given the topic raised was about Englands opponents at RWC’07, was entirely in context.
Yoyve given me 4 diatribes about NZ without them even being part of the Question.
The great thing about morons like yourself is that youre bigger fans of the All Blacks than we are.
But you can start with answering the Question at any time now. 5th time around has been lucky for the Boks this year too.
1 Sep 2010, 23:08 pm
@cab(cab)-654:
Mostly lecture in physiology and some research in same.
Cannot get the effin biltong in, they always get the effin dogs to sniff it out so after 2 attempts in Miami and Atlanta we don’t try that anymore because the barstards just take it for themselves.
1 Sep 2010, 23:09 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-655:
Ha ha says the clown.
1 Sep 2010, 23:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-422:
karma karma karma
chameleon
you come and go
you come and go’OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !
sing us another one, Boy George ! ! !
1 Sep 2010, 23:11 pm
its most often that those believing some things to be bullsh!t get to learn the consequences of their false belief through consequences not always entirely to their taste or better judgment. It could be said it behooves a human to actually know something about himself before casting judgment on some one other, or else it could be argued that before you cast judgment about what denotes truth from fallacy you should at least try discover where the reality begins or ends.
Its usually the frog at the bottom of the well who believes his dark dingy well to be the entirety of his whole existential world, till something or someone yanks him out of there to his dismay he finds the rest of the known universe far exceeded even his wildest imaginary anticipation.
1 Sep 2010, 23:12 pm
@ET(ET)-659: ho ho says father christmas.
woof woof says the doggie.
hoo hoo say the owl.
get knobbed says the ranger.
1 Sep 2010, 23:13 pm
ET
yeah you gotta get it vacuum packed But those Yankees prob think it’s anthrax or somefing.
1 Sep 2010, 23:16 pm
Oh *** he’s off on one.
1 Sep 2010, 23:16 pm
@ET(ET)-658: Philly Steak. It is easy to make in Winter in PA. Just go on the web there are 100′s of recipes. I make my own, and as a cooking ignoramus even I can do it. And it’s lekker.
1 Sep 2010, 23:17 pm
@gunther(gunther)-632:
my no1 drop too.
in fact…
1 Sep 2010, 23:17 pm
Cheers Helium……………the circus has left town?
One can only hope, but I’m guessing the show has got another year to run before being closed and the elephant sold to zoos and the clowns retired to run kids parties………eish!
1 Sep 2010, 23:18 pm
@ET(ET)-658: We mail the biltong. Just vacuum seal it, put in one of those big padded envelopes, send airmail, and hey presto.
We send to New York often, and my sister and hub always receive it, oh and just a cheap t shirt or something.
1 Sep 2010, 23:21 pm
Blackie
You can’t be all bad then
1 Sep 2010, 23:21 pm
@cab(cab)-654:
The red meat is a simple story that I have just given a scorpion’s tail to.
So it runs like this:
Our healthy body normally produces anywhere from 0.5 to 2gms. of cholesterol each day because it is a precursor for all the steroid hormones(and there are many including aldosterone, oestrgen, testosterone etc.,etc.) and needed in the structure of every membrane).
When you eat mostly red meat( little or no fish) the saturated fats of animals(plants and fish unsaturated fats-good,omegas 3,6,9etc.)stimulates the body to over-produce on the 0.5 to 2gms of cholesterol thus these people get there arteries clogged with the bad cholesterol mostly and die from heart attacks.
Thus this excess(sting in the tail/tale)cholesterol surely leads to an increase in the other steroid hormones also, thus more testosterone and thus you beat the **** out of people who anger you. Pretty simple biochemistry or more correctly chemical pathology.
1 Sep 2010, 23:21 pm
Not so sure that PdV will go, he is after all non white, so there is a different set of rules
1 Sep 2010, 23:22 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-661: appropriately posted at the auspicious time of 11:11.
For many years the numbers 11:11 have been mysteriously appearing to people all over the world. Often appearing on digital clocks, the sightings of 11:11 tend to occur during times of heightened awareness, having a most powerful effect on the people involved. This causes a reactivation of our cellular memory banks. There’s a stirring deep inside, a hint of remembrance of something long forgotten.
The appearance of 11:11 is also a powerful confirmation that we are on the right track, aligned with our highest Truth. Throughout the years, I have personally encountered thousands of people all over the world who, have experienced repeated sightings of 11:11. They all want to know what is happening to them and why. What does the 11:11 signify?
11:11 is a pre-encoded trigger placed into our cellular memory banks prior to our descent into matter which, when activated, signifies that our time of completion is near. This refers to the completion of duality. When the 11:11 appears to you, it is your wake-up call. A direct channel opens up between you and the Invisible. When this happens, it is time to reflect on whatever you are doing for a moment and Look Larger. A transfer is in position. You can enter the Greater Reality if you wish pray or meditate and seed your future and also, you can be seeded by the Invisible. You can ask for help in some specific area of your life or simply listen quietly and receive a revelation.
The appearance of 11:11 is an always beneficial act of Divine Intervention telling you that it is time to take a good look around you and see what is really happening. It’s time to pierce the veils of illusion that keep us bound to an unreal world. You have been chosen, because you are ready, to step into the Greater Reality. To lead the way for others into a new way of living, into a Greater Love. To ascend from
duality into Oneness.
The 11.11 is the bridge our vitality and oneness. It is our pathway into the postive unknown and beyond.
I think Skopskiet may be divine. Leading us into a new way of living. Into a GREATER LOVE.
F’kadillywhatnotdoowopdeedoodle. Who would have known.
I surrender.
Your humble servant.
It is all much much clearer now.
1 Sep 2010, 23:23 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-672: Cover drive 6, over the bowlers head. Wins the match. Before tea on the final day.
1 Sep 2010, 23:24 pm
@cab(cab)-664:
****. Just testing because I just noticed that your swear word appeared in the ‘recent comments’ bit at the bottom of the page even though it is shown with stars on the thread.
1 Sep 2010, 23:25 pm
@ET(ET)-670: This is why I drink a bottle of red wine every night.
I watch my diet carefully.
It also helps with the depression after watching The Springboks, The Gauteng Lions and Leeds United over many, many years.
So it helps my blood pressure too.
I am a pharmacologist of specificity – booze is good.
1 Sep 2010, 23:25 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-656:
1 Sep 2010, 23:26 pm
@JL1(JL1)-671: Surrey Cricketer – now you are being boring.
1 Sep 2010, 23:26 pm
******* bollocks.
1 Sep 2010, 23:27 pm
@JL1(JL1)-671: It is mys suspicion that he may torment me as the next coach of the Lions.
1 Sep 2010, 23:28 pm
Soda @ 672
Run out without facing a ball…
1 Sep 2010, 23:28 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-678: Too clever. b astard b ollocks united.
1 Sep 2010, 23:29 pm
**** face.
This is great. I’ve got a new hobby spamming the ‘recent comments’ list with sweary words….
1 Sep 2010, 23:29 pm
@gunther(gunther)-680: I can’t help it that you’re a fat slow c unt.
And no my wife does not give anyone biscuits.
1 Sep 2010, 23:30 pm
ET
yip interesting, there is prob something to it, but it don’t e plain your anger. Some teaspoon tips is in order I reckon.
Jockbok
yeah even innocent words are banned these days, thought u were going to tell us a more spivey tale as to your banning from the orkneys like waking up kaalgat with the mayors prize Angus
1 Sep 2010, 23:30 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-681:
******* thanks mate…
1 Sep 2010, 23:30 pm
does this mean PDV is going to have to sit in the back of the clown car while Hoskins takes over and drives?
I wonder which of the two clowns was actually driving the car in the first place..
1 Sep 2010, 23:31 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-682: I think that you are ascending from duality in to ONENESS.
You may even learn the language of f’kadilly without studying too hard.
1 Sep 2010, 23:31 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-677: But it is true, how can the first coach of colour be dismissed?
How can that happen? Surely that will not happen?
1 Sep 2010, 23:32 pm
@gunther(gunther)-669:
Youve been making those assumptions since we first met, sugar.
1 Sep 2010, 23:32 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-672: why don’t you rather just shut up and listen to the Oracle rather than try run yourself out, you’d be so much better off if you simply listen to those hunches inside you actually know to be true rather than try pretend they not.
all that 11:11 stuff is absolutely perfectly spot on, so if you happen to trip over the log of awareness along your trajectory of unknowing illusion, you could do a whole lot worse than pretend the log wasn’t there to begin with.
1 Sep 2010, 23:32 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-685: Aengus, when are you going to tell us about your Orkney escapades?
Was is swimming kaalgat with a wee island lass that got you in to trouble?
1 Sep 2010, 23:34 pm
Soda
Your missus is the John D Rockerfeller of the biscuit world.
A great philanthropist.
1 Sep 2010, 23:34 pm
@cab(cab)-684:
Fuckity ****.
Haha, nothing quite so dramatic I’m afraid. I was only 15 and wasn’t into livestock yet
But the swear words appear in the ‘recent comments list’. Have a look at this post down there.
Trust me, it is highly amusing when you have had several glasses of Famous Grouse.
1 Sep 2010, 23:36 pm
cmon guys, 1 is the number of the self, more specifically the ego..
it is why Fouries shirt number always begins with the one..
1 Sep 2010, 23:37 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-686:
The car drives itself. It’s one of those little circus ones with the funny hooter that only goes round in cirles………
1 Sep 2010, 23:37 pm
cleverness is actually stupidity, but then clever people would simply never get to find that out. unfortunately so.
1 Sep 2010, 23:37 pm
@JL1(JL1)-688: 2 types of Bok coaches, fired & waiting to be fired. And both are eaten alive.
1 Sep 2010, 23:37 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-691:
I posted it already Joe, but to sav you scrolling back and staying true to my reputation as a bluddy nice bloke, here it is again…
644. JOCKBOK(JOCKBOK) :
September 1st, 2010 at 10:54 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-633:
@skopskiet(yliad)-635:
Haha, nothing to do with sheep, honest guvnor. It was on a school cycling trip and some muppet vandalised a sun dial. We were kicked off the island two days early and told never to come back. I was completely innocent and highly ashamed you honour :/
1 Sep 2010, 23:37 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-668:
Thanks will try that then.
Do you remember some weeks back when we were chatting rugby you left a question and I gave a very polite reply even though you feared I might get fed-up? Did you see that reply the next day and were you not pleasantly surprised?
1 Sep 2010, 23:39 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-698:
I should add that the sun dial was hundreds of years old and the nonchalant locals were anything but when they saw it….
1 Sep 2010, 23:41 pm
@whatever(whatever)-695: hehe they can be found the world over those cars…
1 Sep 2010, 23:41 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-675:
Your depression is greater than mine it seems.
BTW did you get the post about Davide Somma being a JHB boytjie?
1 Sep 2010, 23:45 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-697: Well if it is gonna happen rather before the RWC that later
@poppa69(poppa69)-694: Jealous?
1 Sep 2010, 23:47 pm
Oh fk- all I know us south Africa must have the highest incidence if spritualists in the world outside of California, everyone is all so fkn soulful, one can’t even let a ripper go without reading into it’s esoteric reverberations.
1 Sep 2010, 23:49 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-698: Och aye. Ye were but a wee bairn.
I am sure they have forgotten.
1 Sep 2010, 23:49 pm
when I was up in Orkney you’d swear hardly anybody lived there in their idyllic quiet haven of repose, surprised they even would notice whether the sun dial was vandalized or even existed or not, as nonchalant heavenly and idyllic an existence they lead, only to discover the day progressing once the clock tower bell rang at twelve to signify the start of the afternoon.
1 Sep 2010, 23:50 pm
@cab(cab)-704: Sulfur Caboxide. let a ripper go.
1 Sep 2010, 23:51 pm
@ET(ET)-702: Philly Steak. Is he? Wow, cool. Keeping on our great tradition – Albert, Philemon, The Chief. Awesome. Send me the details.
1 Sep 2010, 23:52 pm
@cab(cab)-704: Get with the program. You need to move from duality to Oneness now. Hurry up. F’kadilly.
1 Sep 2010, 23:52 pm
That’s right Joe and by the bye are u fkn insane setting him loose like that?
A wee dram and rabbie burns.
1 Sep 2010, 23:55 pm
@JL1(JL1)-703: lmao yep for sure..
at least everyone is talking about the Boks, as they say, any publicity is never bad publicity
right?
1 Sep 2010, 23:55 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-705:
Yep, lucky they don’t have customs on the ferry.
Night allllllllllll………
1 Sep 2010, 23:56 pm
whats a spiritualist, in contrast to a materialist, any idea, at all, whatsoever? Betcha you don’t have half a foggy clue about wtf either one or the other is, as no one is neither, or where you stand in relation to the reality of not knowing anything. Far easier to bullsh’t yourself about knowing f’all, they say ignorance is bliss, though stupidity is even worse.
1 Sep 2010, 23:58 pm
But is stupid really clever or the other way around?
I’m not the sharpest.
2 Sep 2010, 00:00 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-706:
The sun dial was actually in the middle of nowhere, as is the whole of the Orkneys I suppose. But it was surprising how quick they were onto it. The guy in question scratched his name and the name of our town deep into it, so it wasn’t to much of a strech for the local police to suss out who it was. It was a nickname though and none of us would tell on him, so we all had to leave.
Oddly enough, the guy hung himself a few years later, but I don’t imagine it was connected with the disappointment of not being allowed to go back to the Orkneys…
Lol, outahere…
2 Sep 2010, 00:00 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-711: You here, so it cannot be that bad
2 Sep 2010, 00:06 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-696:
OK, so lets say cleverness = 1 & stupidity = 2. By your logic 1 = 2 and you can then say you have 1 hand but what you really mean is that you have 2 hands & visa versa.
You have just written a sentence that is completely illogical, irrelevant, pointless and stupid.
Congratulations!
2 Sep 2010, 00:09 am
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-717:
It’s not the first
2 Sep 2010, 00:10 am
Holy poep it’s principia mathematica on keo
who would’ve guess
too hifalutin?
Night night
2 Sep 2010, 00:10 am
far better to be stupid than clever, you got far less cr@p in your stuffed up brain to undo that way around.
once you actually get to realize you actually know sweet fanny f’all, thats about perhaps when you ready to put your first step forward to knowing anything at all worth while.
second hand information like certain sciences and paraphernalia of stuff we read and absorb through intellect only serves to make empty vessels clatter louder than they were when they were devoid of useless clutter.
Its only a still mind that can know anything worth knowing, these agitated cluttered up vessels of useless information, well you can listen to them all day long forever and never get anywhere nearer to knowing anything valid at all.
2 Sep 2010, 00:16 am
@JL1(JL1)-716: I am actually involved in a coulrophobia study, where we are trying to better understand the mechinations of the internal wiring systems that lead to this condition..
the thing that amazes me is it seems to be contagious, the number of coulrophobia sufferers on this website is astounding..
and the one stand out stat to come from the whole study is its uncanny link to theories on conspiracy..
seems that is the number one symptom most coulrophobia sufferers experience…
best you innoculate yourself soon, before you too are overcome with said condition..
2 Sep 2010, 00:17 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-720:
“Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”
2 Sep 2010, 00:22 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-554: Hahahah my man!! Finally a response. Just getting tired of fuckadilly and blustering blah blah blah. Maybe try writing your opinions with a little less vehemence sometime. Could be refreshing. Otherwise theres some of your opinions I agree with and some I dont like all of us in here. No-one seems to agree on everything lol.
Ta for the last page or so of banter along with Soda Joe theres some rather poetic moments in there. Buenas noches señor!
2 Sep 2010, 00:23 am
Ja, far better to be thought a fool than to actually be one that thinks he’s not.
far rather be thought a fool than to actually be an idiot that thinks he’s clever.
Some think logic denotes cleverness, or logic represents wisdom.
Quite the opposite, wisdom and knowledge is perhaps totally illogical once you strip away the ignorance that knows nothing.
2 Sep 2010, 00:23 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-723: welcome adios
2 Sep 2010, 00:31 am
@skopskiet(yliad)-724:
People are judged by what they say and do. If you say racist things you will be judged a racist. If you do or say stupid things you will be judged accordingly. No amount of rationalization of what you do or say can make it right if it is wrong.
You need to take a long hard look at the man in the mirror.
2 Sep 2010, 00:31 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-721: No need to worry about me, no need at all
2 Sep 2010, 01:21 am
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-726: not about to live up to yours or any others expectations of what you or they might think or believe to be racist or stupid. Could very well be quite the other way around, could even be here’s the mirror old chap and you looking straight into it.
2 Sep 2010, 04:35 am
Its like Nostradamus made another prediction…. haha, cant wait to see the Sunday paper’s headlines.
2 Sep 2010, 04:58 am
far better to be stupid than clever
Tis what all the stupid people say…
2 Sep 2010, 07:08 am
I question if some people know what they are talking about on this website. Anyone who knows Rugby can tell you NEVER change coach or core squad players a few months from defending the William Webb Ellis trophy for a RECORD 3rd time. NO other country would have won it that many times before and NO other country has defended it before. We stand at the brink of becoming the “Brazil” of international Rugby and you want to fire the coach for making an honest statement about a Man who has been ACCUSED of murder.
Let me please remind you that a person is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!
Let me please also remind you that the media blows things out of context to sell more publications. Lets wait for the case to be finalised before we cast Bees Roux into the wilderness to serve his sentence without even a fair trial first.
We cannot change the coach. This guy last year led us to a Tri Nations title and a historic series win over the British and Irish Lions. I would not say the squad has done too badly. We cannot change direction or focus mid-stride please.
Jake White even said it. You need AT LEAST 4 years to build a team. Simple.
2 Sep 2010, 07:14 am
@Karma-zaf(Karma-zaf)-731:
“defending the William Webb Ellis trophy for a RECORD 3rd time”
SA havent defended the trophy once…
No team has defended the trophy in its relative short history…
best you go back to the pipe son…
2 Sep 2010, 07:33 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-732: “NO other country would have won it that many times before and NO other country has defended it before”.
Best you go back to the eye Doc ASAP old Man
2 Sep 2010, 07:42 am
@Karma-zaf(Karma-zaf)-731:
It is not about whether Bees is innocent or guilty. None of us (and that includes Peter de Villiers) have the facts and know what really happened that fateful night.
De Villiers represents Souith African rugby and the outside world takes note of what he is saying. As he has no clue what happened on that night he should have stayed stayed away from the issue (apparently he was not even asked to comment but did it anyway) or he should have said something like that he has faith in the justice system and that he will wait for the outcome of the case.
Instead he did not think and just shot from the hip as usual and gave the press the opportunity to create the impression that he is supporting Bees irrespective of whether he is innocent or guilty.
His statement that Bok supporters are against the team if they dare to critisize it (we certainly have that right even if we support the team) is another case in point.
And so we can go on and on and on – the one embarrasing statement after the other – can we really afford to allow such a man 4 years to “build a team” and makes us the laughing stock of world rugby in the meantime?
2 Sep 2010, 07:50 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-734: I get your point RobZim but the fact remains he is a Human being who has not been found guilty yet.
Secondly after PdV patchy track record of media coverage why is the guy still giving press conferences? Surely it is not his fault then? Who is the media liason? Fire him if you must but why fire the HEAD COACH and disrupt the cart a few months before we become the first country in the History of Rugby to defend the World Cup?
My last point is you say “can we really afford to allow such a man 4 years to “build a team” and makes us the laughing stock of world rugby in the meantime”?
My answer to that is PdV has been in charge for almost 3 1/2 years now mate. Have you been away from civilisation or was that an honest mistake? Regardless we are 75% of the way with the guy. Lets finish this and defend the World Cup please
2 Sep 2010, 08:07 am
P dV must go. He is out of his depth and has been exposed as a coach who responds too slowly to the changing situation. A new coaching set up at this stage would not be the setback some have claimed as the Bok squad does not need rebuilding. It needs some pruning of personnel, the elevation of some exciting (and available talent) and a coaching staff with vision and an ability adapt quickly to changing situations. Smit and Januarie are two obvious players who are denying many other better players a place.
Jake is not the answer either. He did an outstanding job at the time but his time has passed as well. The only realistic contenders are Alistair Coetzee and Heineke Meyer.
If P dV is replaced I hope Coetzee gets the nod. He was part of the successful coaching team at the last cup and so has the experience. He has also proven himself with the Stormers and WP. Sadly, he would also keep the race obsessed faction in government happy. either way the time for change is now. A EOYT and a trinations stand between us and RWC 2011. That should be ample for the right management team.
2 Sep 2010, 08:07 am
@ET(ET)-606:
Hi,
Hope you see this – sorry I could not respond last night.
As you are probably aware I was initially impressed and supported Div and his ideas.
I can only speculate on why he turned away from the type of game that the boks played in the matches you referred to. My take is that some of the most influential senior players in the team were not comfortable with a more expansive (heads up) approach and preferred a more structured game and that PdV was not strong enough to resist them or had the courage of conviction to drop them and select those who were prepared to play according to his wishes and ideas.
In short, he backed the wrong horses to run the show, and is now caught pants down as the game has evolved to another level.
To put it bluntly, imo he sold out his ideas to transform the SA game to the John Smit old boys club.
2 Sep 2010, 08:16 am
@Karma-zaf(Karma-zaf)-735:
Yeah, the 3 and a half years were a bit much, he caused a lot of embarrasment that we could ill afford during that time.
I do however believe he will “lead ” the team to NZ next year to probably some more embarrasment and a exit before the finals.
2 Sep 2010, 08:22 am
This close to the World Cup firing PdV would be crazy.
2 Sep 2010, 08:48 am
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-736: good post.
mirrows the way i see it.
just not sure AC is the answer though
2 Sep 2010, 08:51 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-739: no mate
it would be crazy not to.
Fire him, the other 2 stooges and plod….
13 months enough time.
dont do it and we gone anyway….quarter finals at best come 2011 wc.
We got nothing to lose….PDV gambled with his soull…..this is what happens when deals are made with the fat boys club….always comes back to haunt you.
PDV should have stood firm, he blinked, folded and now stands at the precipice….and not a fat boy in sight to assist.
2 Sep 2010, 08:57 am
Madness to think he is going to get fired.
They will ride him to the World Cup where they will not renue his contract post 2011, have invested too much up till this point and the Administration are going to have egg all over their faces if they admit he is a “clown”.
2 Sep 2010, 09:16 am
Please keep him on as bokke coach – it would help NZ’s cause no end!
2 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
All the Boks opponents are hoping divvy hangs on.
2 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
I am a south african living in NZ and there it is amazing to see how the rugby writers over here are just so disgusted that south africa have so little respect for the role of bok coach that they give it to someone who is completely and utterly unworthy of the position.
every kiwi wanting to win the world cup knows that they have a better chance with de villiers at the helm. but at the same time know that they are not playing against the best possible bok team while he is the man in charge.
the question is not whether or not he should be fired this close to the world cup – the question is who is going to replace him? and will gold and muir be retained or one of them promoted? thats really what I’d like to know.
furthermore will a new coach feel pressured to do well on the NH tour, or will he use it as an opportunity to test SA’s depth and to rest the players so desperately in need of it?
2 Sep 2010, 11:43 am
Truth is coming out slowly……..http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Bees-was-being-blackmailed-20100902
2 Sep 2010, 12:36 pm
Bliksem, and I’d thought journalistic standards had dropped about as far as they could! Amusing also to see all the ranting, proving Mallet’s dig at SA rugby supporters being stupid; over and over.
I’m certainly not a rugby kenner but do we have to turn on our man (keo), try blame senior players!! (G10 & snottie) in such panic?
I do not believe so. PdV is technically not the best man for the job. Mallett is; but by no means great. But let’s not keep looking backwards. I say the SNAFU/ the Boks need to recognise PdV’s limitations and appoint more support staff. A manager say, Morne du Plessis; a defensive coach (say from WP); a “flyhalf” coach who knows that key position (not Muir – he’s limited) then a loose forwards / locks coach (maybe Rassie, Andre Venter, Mark Andrews?). Then phsycho (Bakkies) and visualisation etc workshop type coaches.
Maybe some of the incumbents can fit in. The scrum appears better with Os around. Kicking is ok; but MS needs a rest now and then.
My casual view is that the Boks lack a sensible rotation policy, clear, well drilled game plans and super coaching targetting key positions.
Then there is SA rugby admin and oaficials, O kak!
2 Sep 2010, 14:33 pm
Bye bye Krusty, thanks for the memories, first comedian to ever make Boks coach.
3 Sep 2010, 11:01 am
Springbok rugby may not be that entertaining,but for sure there
is never a dull moment with PDV around.Perhaps he should
approach Leon Schuster for a role in his next movie and play the role of a Springbok coach based on his life.Laughs a minute
I reckon.
3 Sep 2010, 12:07 pm
Up front I believe that anyone that thinks PdV is about to be fired is divorced from reality. This however doesn’t mean he should have been fired ages ago. The build up to the NZ and Aussie tests were perfect (note I didn’t use the term near perfect). The reason for this is that PdV kept his mouth shut. I often think of him as the perfect motivator for the opposing team. How did the words “We don’t feel intimidated when coming to NZ” bite him in the ***? What does he however do before this weekend’s test. He starts by given die-hard fans the finger with his “If you’re not with us, you’re against us” jibe. Hendrik Verwoerd, PW Botha and Robert Mugabe are so proud. Then the Bees issue. If a person doesn’t have the basic intellect or vocabulary (or both) to enter an area as sensitive as that they should stay away. I think PdV was well intentioned but just doesn’t have the savvy to get that across.
3 Sep 2010, 16:39 pm
DE VILLIERS MUST STAY TILL AFTER 2011RWC!!!
Signed:
All right thinking -
AB supporters
Wobbly supporters
Frog supporters
supporters of any other team which thinks it has a chance
4 Sep 2010, 15:14 pm
“Scorn him, ridicule him, even grudgingly respect him for his independence and eccentricity, but South Africa’s rugby coach, Peter de Villiers, should never be underestimated.
Whether it was his inspiration or simply a South African Rugby Union precaution, de Villiers certainly had his ear to the railway track and his eyes on the line ahead to next year’s World Cup… ” writes Phil Wilkins (Aussie RugbyHeaven)
Interesting…
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