PdV’s free ride is over
1 Sep 2010
JON CARDINELLI says the only surprise regarding Peter de Villiers’ impending dismissal is that it’s taken this long for Saru to realise he’s a complete liability.
There’s been plenty happening behind the scenes since Monday’s press conference in Bloemfontein. De Villiers wasn’t asked about the Bees Roux murder case, but felt obliged to bring it up while waxing lyrical about the hope the Boks bring to people in dire situations. He said that the Boks are behind Roux 100%, a statement that’s caused an uproar in certain communities and enraged his employers at Saru.
This careless comment could be the final straw. Come Sunday, De Villiers should be gone.
De Villiers will face a disciplinary committee this week and an announcement regarding the incident will be made on Sunday. The deluge of embarrassing comments he’s made during his three-year tenure will be used against him as grounds for an early dismissal.
No one should be surprised, because if it were any other coach, they would have been fired long ago. There’s no denying De Villiers has brought the game into disrepute. The Bees Roux statement was a misplaced show of patriotism, an absurd gesture. He’s never been a fit spokesman for the Boks and his latest offering only underlines the fact.
De Villiers in a press conference is like a loaded gun. The slightest provocation sets him off. On Monday, that gun exploded without prompting. Saru should bullet him on Sunday, but they cannot say that they didn’t see another verbal calamity coming. Keeping him as Bok coach will continue to risk the reputation of Saru, the Boks and South Africa itself.
Nick Mallett and Jake White were two of South Africa’s more successful coaches, but their strong-willed personalities saw them clashing with the top brass at Saru. Mallett was fired after complaining about ticket prices, something most South Africans complain about on a weekly basis. White won the World Cup, but it wasn’t enough. Saru wanted him out after 2007, and his resignation pre-empted their move to displace him.
What if Mallett or White had botched a press conference so spectacularly that they ended up condoning eye-gouging? Would they have made it to the next Test, let alone the next season?
De Villiers showed his support for Schalk Burger after the second Test against the Lions in 2009, but his misfiring mouth spoke about gouging lions on the highveld in the same breath, an arrogant and defiant statement that almost dared the authorities to censor him.
In 2008, he responded to criticism by saying he’d had enough, and that they ‘should give rugby back to the whites’. On Monday in Bloemfontein, he made another outrageous claim that smacked of mindless bravado, ‘You’re either for us or you’re against us’. He spoke about the laager being closed and how the team is unified and immune to any criticism. And here I’d thought we were done with the laager mentality. Apparently not.
Earlier this year, his comment on live television intimated referees favoured the All Blacks because of the 2011 World Cup, and referees knew it was in New Zealand’s interest that the home team remained successful.
Former Wallabies hooker Brendan Cannon called him a clown, a view shared by many opposition coaches and players abroad, and a few in this country as well. If De Villiers is a clown, he’s the unfunny kind, and the only people laughing are those who aren’t South African. They want De Villiers to continue because they know he’s the Boks’ primary stumbling block. Technically, he offers nothing, and his controversial rants only result in more pressure on a team that he’s ironically sworn to protect.
All these incidents have been kept in a file and the latest comment, which amounts to backing an alleged murderer, should be the blunder that hastens his departure. He no longer enjoys the government’s support, and his president will no longer tolerate his arrogance. Regan Hoskins has been instructed not to comment, but deal with the situation. There’s no way De Villiers can survive the axe. Anything but an axing will be a let off.
Regardless of what happens in the final Tri-Nations Test on Saturday, Peter de Villiers can no longer be tolerated. The Boks are the world champions and the South African community should accept nothing but the best. It’s been obvious from day one that De Villiers doesn’t fit the criteria, and he’s consistently proved it over a three-year career. The free ride is over.
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1 Sep 2010, 17:09 pm
@nama1(nama1)-388: Jaa I dont expect anything less from him , anyone can make a statement , few can back it up. Re teh coach and the circumstances comment u made , I agree we dont know what transpired but I think thats what the coach was trying to say as well , so they symphathise with what happend or whats gonna happen to Bees but not his actions. Bees is after all a fellow rugby player and a friend to some of the players.
Its like if you brother committed a crime , u know he is wrong and u dont support the deed but he remains your brother and you feel for him especially if the crime was not intended and I don’t think Bees deliberately tried to kill the man.
1 Sep 2010, 17:09 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-392: piesangseun, if i’m the Bok coach and nobody has asked me about the Bees Roux saga, i will shut the f*ck up! Unless i have been compelled by those who have a damaging *** tape of myself in an east london parking lot to say something about it!
1 Sep 2010, 17:10 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-393: In the power game that is called rugby administration, I think PDV has figured out who will NOT backstab him, which is sometimes more important than knowing who the actual backstabbers are.
Remember this against the backdrop of PDV’s primary goal – his survival from day to day until the end of his contract.
The players he has already referred to as the selected WC squad will not backstab him.
They are the ones who matter most in the entire landscape. The rest, including the media and the supporters, are not as important to please, simply because the current group of senior players are the ones running the show.
1 Sep 2010, 17:11 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-394: U a joke really. So Destiny picked Broussow , The senior players are the reason we won and PDV is the reason when we lose ?
Yup Idiot is your name
1 Sep 2010, 17:12 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: Gotto agree here with you , wish PDV would just keep his mouth !!
Anyway . I am outa here , cheers.
1 Sep 2010, 17:13 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-397: Have you seen some of the comments on this site and those people have the good fortune of having time on their hands to think about their responses.
1 Sep 2010, 17:15 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: Allegations tut tut
1 Sep 2010, 17:15 pm
@willievz(willievz)-313: agree ….good post…again.
1 Sep 2010, 17:18 pm
@willievz(willievz)-331: no willie….pdv sold out….he is being lead by plod…..best a clean out….new coach will sweep clean….still got a year…..we dont do it we stuffed anyway.
1 Sep 2010, 17:22 pm
@grant10(grant10)-409: Grant, you are bargaining on a new coach actually disposing Smit.
That will not necessarily happen.
Let me ask you this – will you keep PDV if Smit goes? Or if he has the guts to drop Smit himself?
1 Sep 2010, 17:23 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-59: “Incite”ful analysis. Every day I log in to read utter bullsh.it by the KEO “journos” and some sense written by the posters.
Some of these articles show nothing but resentment to the Boks not due to “reported” player/team performance reasons or PdV’s inaequacies / faux paxs but rather simply as a result of lack of access. The Boks do not allow Keo and his cronies in, whether in the guise of sasi journos or for this website.
Why? Simply the Boks do not trust them and neither do a growing amount of rugger fans.
actually the “craft” of the journos and articles on this site is Exhibit I in the case for censorship. Not censorship for dangerous ideas or exposure of corruption, instead censorship of crass stupidity.
Down with the authors, long live the posters. Viva!
1 Sep 2010, 17:23 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-394:
What does it matter that he selected him after somebody else got injured. The fact that he took him on tour the previous year already, prove that he had him in his plans. He just didn’t rate him as 1st choice at that stage and so did 80%, or more, of the bloggers on this site. Not many people left out Schalk, and selected HB, when they played “This is my team for the first test against the Lions”, apart from a few who was ridiculed for doing so.
Tell me, who did YOU prefer before the 1st test vs the Lions: HB or SB?
1 Sep 2010, 17:23 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-393:
My dear Rosso, you forget those mysterious tapes and why they suddenly appeared on the scene at the time they did when PDeV. was not yet in the kraal(Luke was still on the team). Cheeky’s name appeared in the press with wild attempts to link him to the on-going mischief making. Where are they(tapes) and can they make a re-appearance if a ‘dilinquent ‘, defiant coach gets rid of at least these 10 or so world super special class stars of ‘Bok rugby?
Also in sport there is a cardinal rule that your players can make or break you if they do or do not play for you.
Because he played along with them after they showed him how poorly they could play( 2008 3N-2/6 and losses in C.T. 19-0 and Durban) the eoyt results became 100% wins which led to BL 2-1 series win and 2009 3ns win(5/6). But in the meantime, that melancholy jailer, Father Time and the lack of a need to be motivated for 2010 because by end of 2009 the main ‘manne’ were contracted to 2011 WC the results have plummeted. Thus they are all picked and overplayed this week in the hope that they can improve the wins % and get people of their backs.
It is easy for me to make the being held to ransom, or even blackmail, call of these clearly gloriously vain 2007 WC seniors(read greedy, spoilt brats).
Did anyone say coaching is easy? You have to egg dance and more so in SA with the colour question always all around us.
1 Sep 2010, 17:25 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-407: look, all i’m saying is pdv gets himself into sh*t ALL the damn time…the journalists know he is always defensive so they probe, and probe and probe until he cracks…
If journalist are suggesting that the Boks have been poor there’s no need for him to clam up and use a george w bushism – it’s either you’re with us or against us? What the hell man…
He needs to cool down, suck on a lollipop if he has to…have you ever heard a robbie deans interview? It is the most boring sh*t you’ve ever heard the man is toooo measured! Pdv needs to learn from that…
1 Sep 2010, 17:25 pm
@toddke(toddke)-248:
SO
thats 2 x posts from you and
STILL NO ANSWER ?!?
You can send it in on the back of a postcard, if you prefer. So noone else will see.
1 Sep 2010, 17:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-402: Why would those who “have a tape” compel and why would PdV have to comply?
1 Sep 2010, 17:28 pm
@ET(ET)-413: But it is always about colour for the likes of you.
“those evil mlungus” is a permanent get out of jail free card for not accepting any responsibility.
1 Sep 2010, 17:28 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-396:
It could be a lot worse than that. At least there is now a 60% or so win state.
1 Sep 2010, 17:29 pm
typical’snotty nosed little white boy JW arsecreep agendas, pitiful bunch of lily livered whitey woosies calling for the bruinou’s blood cos he tells these pompous little snotty nosed prat eyed pr’cks exactly where to get off.
i’m pretty much convinced that this set of players in the main are far happier and more comfortable playing under Pdv than anytime under that pompous ratty faced palooka prat that preceded him. These muppets smell blood and like the long knived arselicking agenda laced schmucks that they are they can’t wait to try bury them in between the bared brown shoulder blades. Let em try, let em have their glorified Whitey faced coach back, they’ll regress all the way back to the diabolical dark ages. Maybe its time PDivvy give these schmuckarsed toffy noses what they always wanted, give the game back to the whites seeing as they think they always owned it here.
1 Sep 2010, 17:29 pm
@willievz(willievz)-410: i dont think PDV will do a clean sweep….i honestly believe he has sold his soull…..no proof….but he is not leading….he is being lead. Sorry Willie….but if we believe this bok set up going to win us 2011 wc we being silly my man…..
For me….do the clean up….
Will it happen? Personally i doubt it…..
Why?
It will cost a small fortune….remember no coach will want the other 2 stooges…..
1 Sep 2010, 17:31 pm
@willievz(willievz)-410: sorry….didnt answer your question.
Lets do it by saying this….i believe PDV will be a better coach without Plod dictating ….
1 Sep 2010, 17:32 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-415: Yes, the abs are the greatest team ever in terms of win %. They are always no 1 between WC’s. They should have won every World Cup. There you go, now f.ck off, Kiwi.
1 Sep 2010, 17:35 pm
-417:
Exposed RACIST(do-you-consider-yourself-black), show me any word in that post that refers to the COLOUR purple, blue, red, yellow, black or white.
Your attempts to smear are childish at best.
Your tags like CONSERVATIVE and worse you have earned in WORD and deed.
I am being polite next time I will not.
1 Sep 2010, 17:35 pm
If Meyer is appointed,IF PdV does get the axe,wich I seriously doubt,we will only be taking a biass Bulls team to the WC!I reckon its the perfect time for a foreigner!
1 Sep 2010, 17:37 pm
@ET(ET)-413: ET ek verstaan. This is no easy job. I just do not think that Pdv recognized what he walked into to, (all the various agendas), and he is not savy enough to know how to navigate the maze. If there is blackmail, the s*x tape etc, hoe het hy homself in daai sous ingerkry!
1 Sep 2010, 17:38 pm
@ET(ET)-338:
Jaysus, Mary & Joseph…are you serious?
You’re basically saying that PuffDivvy and Hoskins are mere puppets? They’re Uncle Toms, controlled by the white might to do their nefarious bidding?
Could you be more patronising towards them? Could you be more insulting?
Good grief. Why can’t the decisions of Snor and Hoskins be theirs as human beings, foibles and all, why must it all boil down to some apartheid hangover 3rd force conspiracy?
I take it you believe in the Illuminati and the Rothschild-Jewish banker conspiracies too?
1 Sep 2010, 17:43 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck(logie_Jumpbuck)-396:
I am not gunning for any specific person I just used H.Meyer’s name as an example to make my point of why certain players(Matfield above in a previous post) will be seen to be supporting PDeV., because he has contracted them to 2011 WC.
1 Sep 2010, 17:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-416: this is a dumb question!!
1 Sep 2010, 17:45 pm
PDV will take the Boks to WC2011 and there is nothing Keo, JC, Ryan Crybaby Vrede, Mrs Grant Ball, Rory Keohane, Jake White, Heyneke Meyer, and Heaven Game can do!
1 Sep 2010, 17:47 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-429:
You had to add HG hey? Hahahahahaha
1 Sep 2010, 17:47 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-426:
I have said that in 2008 already and nothing has happen since then to dispel that notion but many things have occurred to in fact support that notion.
I don’t know you but I probably know the two names you mention better than you do.
1 Sep 2010, 17:48 pm
However with the current seniors/selectors/coaches, their run will end at the 1/4 final stage
1 Sep 2010, 17:50 pm
@ET(ET)-423: Its easy to read between the lines with your agenda.
1 Sep 2010, 17:51 pm
This is very dissapointing, I thought he was a good coach and very loyal to the players – he should be allowed to continue until the RWC.
It was extremely stupid to voice support for Roux, but JW made many a f-up in public statements and the next coach will to. Leave him be to take his squad to the RWC, same as White was allowed to when all and sundry were calling for his head in 2006.
1 Sep 2010, 17:52 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-425:
You are correct in all those various aspects, except to add there may or may not be any legitimate tapes. But sadly in our lives perception and not reality dominates and the damage is already done that is why he seems so cap in hand wrt his bosses and players(if they are not both).
1 Sep 2010, 17:52 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-429: always have supported PdV actually. I challenge you or anyone to find any post that states otherwise.
1 Sep 2010, 17:54 pm
@ET(ET)-431:
I don’t know them at all. Never met them, probably never will. But, seriously, dude, you’re honestly saying they’re puppets. Really and truly?
Well, fark me standing still, the puppet masters sure made a right royal hash of things – they really should’ve chosen a better candidate. They could’ve at least chosen someone who wasn’t so controversial and was better able to articulate his…wait, sorry…their…thoughts than Uncle Snor.
Surely…?
1 Sep 2010, 17:54 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-426: The Rothschild aren’t Jews, they’re shape shifting Lizards
1 Sep 2010, 17:54 pm
@ET(ET)-413: then they used smear to create a chasm between cheeky & pdv…
Cheeky cleared of racism
Cheeky Watson has been cleared of any
racial abuse against Peter de Villiers after an
SA Rugby investigation.
Sondag reported that Eastern Province
rugby boss Watson allegedly called Bok
coach De Villiers ‘a bab oon who does not
know what he is doing’ at a meeting of the
EP Rugby Legends.
Acting MD of SA Rugby Andy Marinos said
the investigations proved there wasn ’t
enough convincing evidence to show the
incident took place.
‘We immediately launched an internal
investigation into the allegations and
interviewed some of the suggested role
players, ’ said Marinos.
‘I understand that a newspaper was
provided with written confirmation of the
allegation but what we have is minutes of
the meeting as well as a letter from an
organisation of Rugby Legends who were
present and from other individuals who
attended. They all concur that neither the
subject of Peter de Villiers nor Springbok
fixtures were even discussed in the
meeting. ’
Marinos questioned the timing of the
allegations and claimed it is an attempt to
harm De Villiers ’s reputation.
‘The original incident is alleged to have
taken place on 10 December and we would
have expected to hear about it about on the
11th, ’ said Marinos. ‘For the allegations to
emerge almost four months later seems
unusual.
‘In the absence of a formal complaint or
new information substantiating the
allegations, SA Rugby can do no more than
consider the matter closed. ’
De Villiers’s lawyers sent SA Rugby a letter
regarding the allegations and asked the
organisation to investigate the matter.
‘I have met and had discussions at length
with Peter about the story and brought him
up to date with our inquiries, ” said Marinos.
‘The timing of this incident makes me
wonder if this is not just another attempt to
drag his name into controversy at a time
when he is preparing for the Lions Series. ’
This entry was posted on Tuesday, April 7th,
2009
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
@ET(ET)-435: It’s so irritating watching him arse kiss in every interview. Damn!
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-429: hahahahahahaha
well said!
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
Wish People give the guy a break and stop continually running him down everytime he says something that does not meet with their approval, i think he is a absolute sweetie, and fireing him would be a huge mistake and destroy team moral.
1 Sep 2010, 17:57 pm
-433:
F…OFF, puerile one.
The truth will always disturb you and be seen as an agenda.
Yes, the TRUTH is always an agenda and it is an agenda I am proud off.
1 Sep 2010, 17:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-439: And Pdv fell for it.
1 Sep 2010, 17:59 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-438:
As is the Queen of England – why do you think she goes through so many Corgis?
1 Sep 2010, 18:00 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-442: Admit though that he is kinda “George Bushish”.
1 Sep 2010, 18:02 pm
@ET(ET)-423: re “do you considers yourself black?” was in context of one of your “analyses” where somehow skin colour was considered implied by you to be a prime factor in performance. You were, as usual, talking about black and “non-black” players. To understand this paradigm of skinhue and perfrmance that you somehow felt was logical, it was fair to ask a question related to this.
This farcical recourse to crying “racist” to any questioning or disagreement with any of your self-constructed PC conventions, including your term “non-black” betrays your stupidity and obvious fear of inferiority…
1 Sep 2010, 18:03 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-442: black man, you’re on your own
1 Sep 2010, 18:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-436: My bad….although you have been a silent supporter while most of the BullSharks supporters have hail Heyneke as the saviour of Bokrugby!
1 Sep 2010, 18:05 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-440:
He has had no free ride and should not be sacked at all.
The lot of them responsible for this **** should work at correcting the situation and if they have no inclination to do so then they must be man enough to be kicked out and hand over to younger players who have a better desire to come out on top evn if it means we lose this WC. At least we will be ahead of all others for WC 2015.
This damn thread is moving too fast.
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