Hoskins must man up
2 Sep 2010
GRANT BALL says that Regan Hoskins’ failure to discipline Peter de Villiers has led to the situation where South Africa is the joke of the rugby world.
When contacted by keo.co.za for his reaction to De Villiers’ latest media embarrassment, Hoskins said he wasn’t available for comment and wouldn’t be in future. This from the president of Saru.
Reports suggest Hoskins has been told by the government – who are already upset with De Villiers for not picking more black players during his tenure as originally promised - to deal with the Bok coach. The official line is that the pending meeting between Hoskins and De Villiers won’t be a disciplinary hearing, but a less formal ‘heart to heart’.
It’s a similar scenario to what happened after last year’s British & Irish Lions series, where the pair had a discussion over De Villiers’s embarrassing media utterances including the racist analogy about Ricky Januarie and the ‘black mechanic/white mechanic’. After that ‘heart to heart’, Hoskins assured Saru’s stakeholders that De Villiers would refrain from this kind of discourse.
However, De Villiers’ first press conference of the 2009 Tri-Nations suggested not much had changed. De Villiers said he wouldn’t be muzzled, he said he was the boss, an outburst that showed what he thought of Hoskins and their previous discussion.
De Villiers must take responsibility for his own actions, but the Saru president is also culpable for the current situation. It should never have got to this point. A strong leader would have set De Villiers straight.
Throughout the 2009 Lions series, De Villiers was out of control. After just one success in the 2010 Tri-Nations, and De Villiers is his own worst enemy again. No other coach would still have a job, yet Saru has allowed De Villiers to continue.
There have been double standards in the handling of De Villiers when it comes to results as well. In 2006, four consecutive Tri-Nations defeats saw Jake White summoned to a meeting in Johannesburg from the Bok camp in Rustenburg, where they were preparing for an All Blacks Test.
White had to listen to all the Bok coaches since Ian McIntosh, with the exception of Kitch Christie (who had passed away) and Andre Markgraaff. The plan was to ‘plot the way forward’ for the Boks. Conversely, De Villiers wasn’t summoned to any meeting with former Bok coaches after the Soccer City fixture, which was also his side’s fourth Tri-Nations loss in a row.
Before the final Test of the 2006 European tour, White was brought home for an emergency meeting with his employers. This is the kind of treatment White had to endure, while De Villiers hasn’t been as controlled.
On his reappointment, Hoskins boasted how his tenure as president produced little controversy. Has no one in the passages of Saru been listening to De Villiers’s rants over the past three years? What must the new sponsors Absa think? Are they happy to be associated with such a loose cannon?
Hoskins has had the chance before, but this is a defining moment. He needs to show some proper leadership and actually make a decision. He cannot condone De Villiers’s public backing of a man up for murder, and after repeated offences, the disciplinary action for De Villiers should be dismissal. If Hoskins decides on any other course of action, then he’s failed South African rugby again.
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2 Sep 2010, 05:09 am
declaring war dragon!
2 Sep 2010, 05:15 am
Dammit…this is NOT what we want…we need to keep the clown there! Gives us a better chance of winning the 2011 WC!
Justice for Bakkies, PDV and Bees!
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What a farce.
2 Sep 2010, 05:20 am
Reports suggest Hoskins has been told by the government – who are already upset with De Villiers for not picking more black players during his tenure as originally promised – to deal with the Bok coach.
Wonder if that makes him a racist like some white coaches before him?
2 Sep 2010, 05:39 am
Time to take the Big Top down! Circuses are cruel to animals anyway!
2 Sep 2010, 05:42 am
And I thought that Aplon, Januarie and Chilliboy are much bigger joke at the Test level than PdV the clown,,,,
2 Sep 2010, 05:50 am
Not sure where you going Hondo but remember you get jokes and you get clowns…different animals all together!
2 Sep 2010, 05:57 am
The real issue is avoided, with the greatest depth of rugby players we should not be losing so consistently. It has to be the administrators fault.
2 Sep 2010, 05:57 am
Keo made it their personal agenda to get rid of Div. Lets ve better and support SA Rugby regardless of who the coach or President is. Follow Lead SA
2 Sep 2010, 05:59 am
“After just one success in the 2010 Tri-Nations, and De Villiers is his own worst enemy again. No other coach would still have a job, yet Saru has allowed De Villiers to continue.”
hmmm that is a lie Ball, look at Deans and his record – much worse than PDivy’s.
2 Sep 2010, 05:59 am
C’mon SA, you know he’s the right guy for the job, leave him there, he’s a favourite with the journo’s, the players think he’s a crack up, he’s perfect!
He’s given hope to all the other clowns out there that they too could become coach of the Rugby World Cup minders, what a catalyst, what an inspiration. At this rate, there could be a song composed in his honour, a statue created to celebrate the lessor stance of mediocrity – and that’s been generous too!
There’s still many blank pages in the book of unbelievable quotes by the puppet, his time can not be cut this short, there’s still 14 months before RWC2011 starts for goodness sakes!
Look, at this current stage, all the other teams in next years RWC pool with SA are licking their chops at knocking you guys over, don’t deny them this chance, it may be their one and only of toppling the current minders of Bill.
You mean-spirited people!
2 Sep 2010, 06:00 am
@capeflats(capeflats)-8:
Out yip, lets all jump into the fire as well should we?
Clowns don’t make good leaders………klaar!
2 Sep 2010, 06:02 am
First off just a question , do you believe what happend to Jake was the right thing back then ? And if not , does that make it wrong for PDV then as well ? Was there not an uproar when Jake was summoned from the UK back then ?
Lastly what happened to the open secrets post (I say post cos it aint worthy of a article) of JC yesterday where PDV is a gonna come Sunday ? Seems a rather quick submission a day later. Did u just need the hits to bring the numbers up or was it a genuine opinion ?
2 Sep 2010, 06:02 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-10:
haha, very funny
2 Sep 2010, 06:03 am
@capeflats(capeflats)-8: Welcome back boeta.
2 Sep 2010, 06:08 am
@capeflats(capeflats)-8:
Fair enough Flats but supporting SA Rugby and complaining about the coach or Administration when we are not happy is not mutually exclusive. You can have both…
2 Sep 2010, 06:12 am
I’m with KiaKahaNZ please don’t get rid of divvy. Coaches are just too P.C these days, we need someone with a bit of character and someone we can laugh at.
2 Sep 2010, 06:18 am
@Kiwisamoan(Kiwisamoan)-16:
Ja but I prefer my coach to be able to…well, coach a little too! I will mail you a Mad magazine if you want to laugh…
2 Sep 2010, 06:21 am
pathetic article!! Grant Ball, Peter de Villiers hasn’t lost to Australia by 49-0, plus he didn’t win the 2009 Tri-nations by virtue of a bonus point, his team BELTED New Zealand 3-0, the won their 2nd game in consecutive years – something Jake White failed to do throughout his whole tenure!!!
Pdv is a loose canon, who seems to have his brain and mouth disconnected but you can’t compare him to Jake White.
2 Sep 2010, 06:27 am
@Kiwisamoan(Kiwisamoan)-16:
Swop?
2 Sep 2010, 06:28 am
@sparticus
Brother you know I vowed to stay away from this website cos keo and his team are so negative.
But its not all doom and gloom. Bring Fourie du Preez and Heinrich Brussouw back into the Bok team. Then they will again beat the AB’s.
Take McCaw and Carter out of the AB team and they are average again.
The Boks are still the team to beat. This is not the year that matters.
Next year is WC and we will see keo eat humble pie.
Keo is the same guy who now canvas for Jake White. But just a few years ago he called Jake White a video operator.
Keo has no credibility as a journalist. I speak to many “real” rugby journalist and they laugh at keo
In their opinion this website is the circus, keo the ringmaster and all the journos here his clowns
2 Sep 2010, 06:28 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-18:
So you like funny little men with red noses then?
2 Sep 2010, 06:31 am
Supporting the Boks and not supporting the coach are not mutually exclusive.
It’s just that with a “normal” coach the whole team will be more professional and will not be in the headlines for all the wrong reasons…….
2 Sep 2010, 06:36 am
Aaaaag jaaaaa…. (said in a tone three octaves above middle C)
Stupid is as stupid does. (As Forrest Gump said.)
SA rugby is transformed. From respected champion to feeble fool.
2 Sep 2010, 06:42 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-23:
Nothing wrong with SA rugby
Keo knows the Boks can still win the WC when they have all their top players fit
So fire Div, bring in Jake and it looks like Jake is the Messiah.
The fact is the Boks were not the best team in 2007.
Everything went their bay. As Div always say the ball never bounces for the Boks. In 2007 it did.
We all know when it comes to WC the AB’s feel the enormous pressure.
They ought to win every WC but the enormous pressure of expectation get to them.
Currently only the AB’s can beat the Boks.
Do you guys think keo is stupid?
He knows exactly what he is doing.
The Afrikaans press does not even give Div the **** he is giving Div.
All this negative writing comes from the English scribes. Keo, Rich, Tank Lanning
2 Sep 2010, 06:42 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-12: there was no uproar on this website because KEO wanted Jake FIRED
Mediocrity triumphs
We are not a mediocre sporting nation that
settles for second best. And what the
Springboks have offered in the last 24
months has been second best, writes Keo in
his Business Day column.
An opportunity was lost in not dismissing
Jake White as Springbok coach. One victory,
against an England side whose only success
in their last nine internationals was against
the Boks, has created an illusion of comfort.
The President’s Council determined that
White was the right man to lead South
Africa to the World Cup. They were
comfortable in everything White was doing
and expressed confidence in his so-called
World Cup plan and in his team’s
performances for 2006.
Apparently they also accepted White’s
belief that Santa Claus lives.
Flying White to Cape Town from London to
give him a pat on the back, at a cost of R40
000, was a farce and another example of
the flaky fiscal discipline one associates
with the South African Rugby Union.
The President’s Council, devoid of
individuals with the rugby technical
background, was ill-equipped to analyse
White’s Boks. The structural weakness
within the national organization was again
exposed through the absence of a strong
National Director of Rugby and a rugby
technical committee. It is this Director of
Rugby who should have led the inquisition
into the national coach and Springbok
rugby.
This person should have probed the details
of White’s 59 percent success rate in 37
tests, which is less than the Boks historical
test winning average of 62.24 percent.
White’s success has dropped each year,
from 69 percent to 66 percent to 41 percent
in 2006.
His selections have been poor; his
choice of game plan equally poor and his
refusal to change has stunted progress.
These are all issues a rugby committee
should have dissected.
Why could the Boks only score 18 tries in
their last 11 tests? Why did they leak 33
tries in the same period? What was the
explanation for crushing defeats at home
against the French and All Blacks? How did
the Springboks lose 49-0 to Australia in
Brisbane and 32-15 to Ireland in Dublin?
What technically was wrong with the Boks
in Dublin that Ireland broke the Bok line on
18 occasions? Why were blokes picked and
played out of position all year?
How difficult was White’s schedule
when compared to the demands placed on
Andre Markgraaff in 1996 when the Boks
played the All Blacks five times, Australia
twice and France twice in France? Or how
different was it to Harry Viljoen’s 2001
when the Boks played the French three
times, the All Blacks twice, Australia twice
and a potent England at Twickenham?
How
different was it to every one of Nick
Mallett’s years in charge or even Rudolf
Straeuli’s? The fact is it wasn’t that
much different and ever year the Boks have
a difficult itinerary.
But it is expected that Springbok teams
cope. Only New Zealand can compare with
the production line of talent produced in
South Africa. The expectation on the Boks is
rightfully high and it is unacceptable when
a Bok team gets thrashed twice in South
Africa, as happened against France and New
Zealand, and loses so easily against decent
opposition away from home.
There should be a consequence to these
results, which there was not otherwise
White would not be the national coach this
morning.
Asking everyone to be supportive of the
national coach and to project an image of
sunshine does not address the problems
pointed out in this column.
The Boks, in
2006, did not play good rugby and the
national coach has not once given the
public an explanation as to why this is the
case.
The public should not be accepting of SARU
press releases that state the coach
explained to the President’s Council that
his World Cup plan is on track. What plan?
A
plan that produced three wins in 10 against
the major World Cup opposition?
A plan
based on picking 12 white players out of 15
on average every weekend?
Springbok teams cannot settle for second
best and the paying public should never
accommodate the kind of mediocrity the
well paid White’s well paid professionals
have produced.
In 2006 we’ve been forced to watch a
clueless Bok team and then been subjected
to the ramblings of a coach who has
perfected the art of coming second and
convinced the 14 provincial presidents that
he has actually come first.
The New Year cannot come soon enough.
Enjoy the man in the red suit with the white
beard because he apparently also has a
World Cup plan for White’s Boks.
This entry was posted on Monday,
December 4th, 2006
2 Sep 2010, 06:42 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-23: we know how to win world cups….grant stop chasing ghosts! divvy is here till the WC2011 & he WILL bring home the bacon
2 Sep 2010, 06:44 am
when Jake White was summoned (and almost sacked) he had a team in its development phase. That teamn went on to win every possible trophy it could.
The difference here is that PDV already has a world beating team (as they proved last year) and he is not delivering or does he have the balls to make some key changes to give the Boks a fair crack at 2011.
At the end of the day this is a poorly coached team short of conditioning and lacking in application of the new laws. Whislt some senoir player should take resposnsibility the buck stops with PDV, Gold and Muir. All should now receive their marching orders.
2 Sep 2010, 06:45 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-25: the fools writing these articles…or should I say copying them are wanabee sports writers
2 Sep 2010, 06:46 am
25. i wonder who had the last laugh – hindsight is always 20/20 but jake White delivered a world cup with a very young side. That in itself was deserving of longer tenure.
2 Sep 2010, 06:48 am
@capeflats(capeflats)-24: only the ABs can beat the Boks?? apparently Aussie beat the Boks this year, think it was in Brisbane..
2 Sep 2010, 06:48 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-30: I also think Ireland are up 3-0 from memory too..
2 Sep 2010, 06:50 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-30: true didn’t two club team beat the boks in the EOYT too?
2 Sep 2010, 06:55 am
@Kiwisamoan(Kiwisamoan)-32: yep, but some here claim we shouldnt claim those losses, ye are quite happy to label the baabaas game last year as a 4th SA win..
got to admit, these Saffas sure are funny…
and not a clown type funny either (though they do that WELL too)
2 Sep 2010, 06:56 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-29: so who is to say peter de villiers can’t deliver too?
2 Sep 2010, 06:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-34: he will deliver 4 sure
2 Sep 2010, 07:01 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-34: @mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-35: and if his car should break down while busy “delivering”, at least he has the mechanic on hand to fix it all
I hope he can get a seat at the Stadia next year, because all the tickets have sold now that SA threw the game at eDEN PARK :OOPS:
2 Sep 2010, 07:01 am
the missing link in the bok setup is du preez
2 Sep 2010, 07:02 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-36: so we’ll be in the final
i love the optimism
2 Sep 2010, 07:03 am
hahha
this website has become such a joke
so Grant..is this what we call a retraction from JC’s article yesterday?
hahahah
bunch of tools
JC categorically stated yesterday that because of his inside information the rest of us are not privy to, PdV will be fired on sunday
2 Sep 2010, 07:05 am
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-37: thats the way, pin all your hopes on one player who it must be said, is no guarantee of coming back as the same player… even Brussow, who will be a whole year behind everyone else in regards to the law interpretations, is going to take some time to get back to speed..
lets hope theyre not rushed back too early, would be a shame for SA if these two were to get re-injured when PDV has not spent a lot of time identifying capable replacements…
*crosses fingers*
2 Sep 2010, 07:06 am
34 – he isn’t delivering – that is the problem and at the same time he is ******** up the Bok brand through idiotic comments and not engaging his brain in a proper manner. Not even the players can help this guy. How many times does he need to be disciplined. Its over come Sunday for sure. Logic and sense must prevail here.
2 Sep 2010, 07:06 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-25: your archives always show more factual comparisons to the farce thats dished out by these so called Keo journo’s
never stop
some of us dont always comment here but we do follow the comments to find out the real deal
2 Sep 2010, 07:11 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-40: i tend to agree tht all the supporters saying we just need brussouw back, are disillusioned
but to say tht the lay off will adversely affect them…i dont agree
it seems for the senior players to come back looking better and refreshed they need an injury and not a conditioning program
\the evidence comes from Bissy, JPP , Juan Smith etc.
2 Sep 2010, 07:12 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-41: what isn’t he delivering? so the 4 losses in this 3nations overshadows the 2010 achievements? or should we call 2010 a jake white achievement?
2 Sep 2010, 07:13 am
2009 achievements
2 Sep 2010, 07:13 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-40: If you lose McCaw &/or Carter, you guys will pretty much suck too. Wasn’t that the excuse last year when we beat you three times?
2 Sep 2010, 07:17 am
@vanhunks(vanhunks)-46: yep, but a better excuse then conspiracies and paddy Obrien etc etc huh?
or are you firmly in that camp too… is it normal for SA’s to lay the blame elsewhere then where it should be i.e the players and the coaches?
2 Sep 2010, 07:19 am
44. – for those of us who understnad rugby we can see the writing on the wall with this team. if they carry on like this 4 losses will turn into more. With the depth he has 2 losses might have been acceptable given the injuries. We only have Brussow, Bismark and Du reez out at the moment and Brussouw would not be guranteed a place in any event. Our players are repeat offenders, lack fitness and cannot adapt to the new laws. This is a coaching staff issue nothing else. Finally we need an ambasador for SA not a person who cannot even hold an interivew. I live in Sydney and you should see the stuff they write about this guy/
2 Sep 2010, 07:19 am
@vanhunks(vanhunks)-46: NO, the excuse last year was that the referees were cheating!!!! Ask him
2 Sep 2010, 07:19 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-47: bottom line the n/hemp refs blow a different game..howcome the bulls & stormers ended up in the S14 final whilst playing to the new laws? and all of a sudden we dont know what the laws are come the 3nations? bakkies should come back & headbutt richie
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