Saru plan PdV review process
5 Sep 2010
Saru will undertake their annual review of the Springboks’ Tri-Nations performances and Peter de Villiers’ comments in the media.
The review will take place later this month and covers all aspects of the Boks and De Villiers’ performances. Saru president Regan Hoskins said that there will also be formal discussions regarding De Villiers’ comments that the Boks supported murder accused Bees Roux 100%.
In an attempt to clean up De Villiers’ mess, Hoskins said that he had written a letter to the family of dead policeman Johannes Mogale to show the union’s support and send their condolences.
‘All rugby followers are extremely disappointed with results in the Tri-Nations, as are the Springbok team and management, of course,’ said Hoskins. ‘We take the situation very seriously but there is a process in place and we will follow that through.’
Saru won’t comment further until the review is complete.
133 Comments
5 Sep 2010, 15:07 pm
Save Krusty !
5 Sep 2010, 15:11 pm
So much for P Divvy being sacked today
5 Sep 2010, 15:13 pm
Nothing going to happen. Impervious to anything. More watertight in his job than a duck’s backside. Come to think of it he sounds like a duck, on Helium.
Quack.
5 Sep 2010, 15:15 pm
SARU is a complete waste of time.
Paid Stooges
5 Sep 2010, 15:15 pm
Oom Piet . As a coach we love you. You are the best thing ever to happen to South African rugby.
Despite the loss against Austrialia allo of us are embracing you tightly.There is no better man to lead us.
5 Sep 2010, 15:18 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-5: He needs to be emrbraced tightly alright – by a straitjacket.
5 Sep 2010, 15:19 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-5:
I’m sure ‘Oom Piet’ will be happy to take you to a bathroom somewhere.
5 Sep 2010, 15:19 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-5: Pdivvy is that you or is it Smitty
5 Sep 2010, 15:21 pm
The fun never ends,,
How come a clown such as PdV who was appointed by a blunt decree from the anc with no credentials as a coach at Super14 or Test levels (like JW) and who has no performance clause in his contract (unlike JW) is suddenly to be assessed and evaluated by his Test level performance?
A 3rd world at his best
5 Sep 2010, 15:23 pm
dammit. ‘process’… it means he’s just going to be asked to keep his mouth shut and the boks will keep on playing mediocre rugby. While a proud rugby nation keeps on being disgraced by keeping a witless clown for a coach.
5 Sep 2010, 15:24 pm
OH:” Peter, what are we going to do about this. Your comments have left SARU and me, your direct employer, looking silly in front of the ANC. You are naughty and are not to do it again.”
PD: “Ja well Regan rugby is like Metro Cops but then you can’t bribe a kiwi. Well I’m not saying you can but then Ritchie McCaw was seen offside at Bees’ breakdown and Paddy has done nothing.”
OH: “Um, Peter, Bees’ incident took place in South Africa, in the middle of the night, nowhere near a rugby field or Ritchie McCaw.”
PD: ” Ja fine but balls bounce funny and sometimes Jackie Selebi is just a crook. Even he couldn’t help with the TriNations. Ja no I tell you Regan, I look up sometimes and you know what?”
OH: “What.”
PD: ” I see myself staring back. I am God given you know, the man in the sky gave me this talent, talent I am sharing with them all, Bees included.”
OH: “Bees needs a lawyer not a rugby lesson.”
PD: “Regan listen. You appointed me and you must trust. Rugby is like life. Sometimes you win and sometimes they white guys confiscate your ball. I have a plan you see, a vision. I sit up at night and I see things you know. All sorts of things. I have visions.”
OH: “You have a large bar bill.”
PD: “Ja you see. Sometimes the glory is under the sticks and sometimes at the end of a Johnny Blue. It’s all about knowing which is which Regan. Who’s your coach?”
OH: “You are.”
PD: “That’s right Regan. That’s right. Ja.”
5 Sep 2010, 15:27 pm
With Puff Divvy we are farked. We can kiss the Webb Ellis trophy goodbye.
5 Sep 2010, 15:27 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-6: @Die_Valk(Die_Valk)-7: @Die_Valk(Die_Valk)-7:
We have a saying where I am from we saying that wanneer die jakkals krete, is die dagbreek kom. PDV dpes not need to prove himself because he already has proved himself.He is a genius.The problem is not his fault its the fault of the media being unfair to him.
We must all take Oom Piets hand and look him in the eye and say that we love him and put him on a high place. He is the best thing we have for us at the moment. How stupid it will be if we get rid of him.
5 Sep 2010, 15:30 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-11:
PD: “Regan listen. You appointed me and you must trust. Rugby is like life. Sometimes you win and sometimes they white guys confiscate your ball. I have a plan you see, a vision. I sit up at night and I see things you know. All sorts of things. I have visions.”
OH: “You have a large bar bill.”
PD: “Ja you see. Sometimes the glory is under the sticks and sometimes at the end of a Johnny Blue. It’s all about knowing which is which Regan. Who’s your coach?”
OH: “You are.”
PD: “That’s right Regan. That’s right. Ja.”
ROTFL
5 Sep 2010, 15:31 pm
We all understood there will be a meeting today. Now it’s later this month when the dust has settled and most people’s anger has disappeared. I’ve had it with the mediocrity and the cliches. Smit says the Boks ‘must look in the mirror’. What exactly have you been doing then?
There is no chance of us winning the WC with this management. Four more years, so we may as well make the changes and give ourselves a chance. Hoskins included.
5 Sep 2010, 15:33 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-5:
RugbyGenius is a Moron, go figure
or are you just being sarcastic boet?
5 Sep 2010, 15:34 pm
When oom Piet was doing well last year the people were loving him. This year we have a small problems and everyone wants him to be going as coach. Where is loyality ne? He has got good game plans and he was the one who made us play well second half yesterday.
5 Sep 2010, 15:35 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-16: he must be taking the piss
5 Sep 2010, 15:38 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-17: Just a couple of things:
1.
You’ll find a few bloggers, like me, have always said Div is less than genius in the coaching department and we questioned his selections of Muir, Gold and Smit.
2.
Where are these good game plans? I haven’t seen one yet. I did see a planned move last week taken from the Bobby Skinstad Super Sub textbook when Juan Smith crashed over. Hardly a new move.
3.
If he made us play well in the second half then why not in the first? And if he did make us play well then what of Smit’s words after last weeks’ win “Experience pulled us through”. I doubt he meant experience from the sidelines.
5 Sep 2010, 15:38 pm
@superbok(superbok)-15: Is there a mirror big enough for Smit to see his fat *** reflection in
5 Sep 2010, 15:40 pm
@girshin(girshin)-20:
LMAO
Touche
5 Sep 2010, 15:44 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-17:
Speak for yourself,
you are not the Representative of the ‘people’, you might express the sentiment of the people in Cape Flats or Soweto at best!
How about 2008? did you figure your ‘people’ loved him too then?
5 Sep 2010, 15:44 pm
How was it when Kurtley Beale got hit on the head with the rugger ball
I thought he was PDV for a second
Classic Idiot Footage
5 Sep 2010, 15:47 pm
Whoever the coach might be come early December, the Boks owe us a Grand Slam. No matter who is on tour.
5 Sep 2010, 15:51 pm
@BishopsOD(BishopsOD)-24:
DREAM ON
ABs will get the grand slam again
but i agree the Boks owe us that
Fattie Smit said at the TV interview after the game
” Thanks to the Bok supporters who ‘still’ support us”
He got that right, i dont support them anymore
5 Sep 2010, 15:52 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-17: you are Earl Rose – yes it is true PDivvy is your oom how could it take me so long to get the it
5 Sep 2010, 15:55 pm
@Boksarenumber4(Boksarenumber1)-25: ~I heard that too. Obviously Smit’s attitude is if you don’t like it f off.
5 Sep 2010, 15:57 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-19:
1.
Muir and Gold are very good. They have the plans but the impleementation has been the problem with the guys. If I buy a car and then it breaks down. I can buy a book on fixing a car. But if the tools are not correct even if I read the book it will not work. You check?
2.
Yesterday in the first half I keep seeing Oom Piet telling the coaches what is wrong. he speaks at half time and the boys come out firing. I think the players sometimes get too excited and forget the teaching of oom Piet .
3.
Smit was meaning experience of team playings . And a coach is part of the team ne ?
5 Sep 2010, 15:59 pm
i am not sure this decision is good news for PDV…..
The delay may be the time needed to sharpen the axe and get ducks in the row for a successor.
5 Sep 2010, 16:01 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-26: I will not confirm or deny anything.
5 Sep 2010, 16:06 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-27:
i actually thought Smit understood that he has become a failure
and although he will carry on playing he knows that many Bok supporters have left
and yes you are correct it is a f.u.c.k you attitude
5 Sep 2010, 16:07 pm
@grant10(grant10)-29: My apologies for giving you grief or any other blogger for that matter
5 Sep 2010, 16:29 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-28: You are kidding surely?
Muir & Gold:
Muir’s Lions lost 13 in a row. Genius he isn’t.
Gold was rated as the worst defensive coach in the S14.
2.
I would hjave thought the last 3 months would have been a good time to impart knowledge rather than at half time in the last test.
3.
I think he meant guys who won the RWC, Div wasn’t part of that.
Don’t be delusional.
5 Sep 2010, 16:44 pm
@JL1(JL1)-32: ????
5 Sep 2010, 16:48 pm
@JL1(JL1)-32: No apology needed….i have been as guilty as the rest….if not more so.
5 Sep 2010, 16:52 pm
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-30: Rose you do not need to confirm anything – I am just glad that your never-was-has-been career is over.
5 Sep 2010, 17:39 pm
@RedLion is born again(RL)-36:
I think he’s just looking for attention. Surely he cannot believe the nonsense that he is saying!!!
5 Sep 2010, 18:26 pm
Time for rugby decisions in South Africa – not sentimental ones. In Business you are not spared after such poor performances or talking so much trash through the press. Time for all the leaders to take responsibility for their actions and poor performances. We are all tired of all the excuses – time to take a good look at themselves – from coaching team to captain to senior players.
5 Sep 2010, 18:27 pm
@JL1(JL1)-32: Surrey Boy I accept your apology.
Now can you get the Boks to apologize for my grief too?
5 Sep 2010, 18:28 pm
@grant10(grant10)-35: I accept your apology too. I was hurt.
5 Sep 2010, 18:29 pm
We have the most ever experienced Bok team out on the field. We are leading with 10 mins to go AND have a man advantage. And then we leak 10 points against a young inexperienced Aussie team that is still finding its feet. All this in our own backyard. Coupled with 22 tries conceded, the Bees comments, 5 losses in the Tri-Nations……. Mediocrity seems to be thriving in the new SA.
Maybe a loss to England at Twickenham in November may help hasten regime change?
5 Sep 2010, 18:29 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-38: Sir William. I think that is wishful thinking truthfully.
5 Sep 2010, 18:29 pm
@grant10(grant10)-29: divvy aint going anywhere
5 Sep 2010, 18:32 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-43: ja….seems you right
5 Sep 2010, 18:33 pm
if Saru fire him they’ll have to fire the lot…selectors, dicky & other dicky bcos it’s pointless blaming one guy for the mess
5 Sep 2010, 18:35 pm
Hopefully if we cannot get this resolved then surely we need a better defensive coach than the current lot …
5 Sep 2010, 18:36 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-45:
It is not one guy – the delusion is throughout the team.
5 Sep 2010, 18:36 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-45: ja…..all 3 stooges would have to go.
I dont think the administrators have the heart for the fight.
Whether the stooges should still be there….thats another debate.
5 Sep 2010, 18:38 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-45: I think that they do need to clean them all out actually. This happens with every new coach coming in any way.
De Villiers record over 3 years is very poor.
2008 – diabolical
2009 – excellent
2010 – worse than diabolical
His assistants are equally useless – look at Muir’s record with The Lions. Gary Gold has no record to speak of, and that what is there is below average to poor.
5 Sep 2010, 18:39 pm
@grant10(grant10)-48: neither heart nor cash…
5 Sep 2010, 18:39 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-45: agreed, there are more issues than just replacing PDV, however thinking would be that a stronger coach would get the other aspects resolved …
Worst case they hopefully at least appoint a worthwhile defensive coach, plus a conditioning expert
5 Sep 2010, 18:41 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-49: jake won the 3nations in 2004…did nothing after that bar big losses (read zero scores) against auzz & AB’s…then the WC
5 Sep 2010, 18:42 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-49: also have to consider that in 2009 the ABs struggled without Carter …
5 Sep 2010, 18:43 pm
I refuse to support this hond p!el bok team. !!!
5 Sep 2010, 18:43 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-52: Question: how would Jake have done without Eddy Jones anyway?
5 Sep 2010, 18:44 pm
@danuk(danuk)-51: these are professional players so howcome they built winning 07 on defense yet they cant tackle now
5 Sep 2010, 18:45 pm
@danuk(danuk)-55: well given the route / path in the 07 WC I think we would have still won..remember we never faced the Auzzies nor AB’s
5 Sep 2010, 18:45 pm
@danuk(danuk)-55:
Probably not so good, but at least he chose wisely! PdV could choose his team and chose the worst of the worst. He needs to take accountability
5 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-52: I was not a big fan of Jake White. Bless him for winning the RWC, and rebuilding the Boks. But his record is quite average.
Winning the RWC 3 years ago gives me little comfort wen we lose badly in 2010.
We need a new coach.
This is my personal opinion, PdV is not half the coach Jake White was, not a third the coach Nick Mallet is, and should not even be coaching the ball boys in games coached by Graham Henry & Robbie Deans. Or John Mitchell.
5 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-58: Saru has a selection panel..divvy does not pick the team alone
5 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
@danuk(danuk)-53: aye.
5 Sep 2010, 18:48 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-60: They should also be let go.
5 Sep 2010, 18:48 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-60:
He suggests who he would like as his support team.
5 Sep 2010, 18:50 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-59: jake was just as bad…i say keep divvy, replace the 2 loosers next 2 him & give him a proper media person
5 Sep 2010, 18:53 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-64: Why bother?
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
5 Sep 2010, 18:55 pm
ok I have to mow the lawn. See you through the window.
5 Sep 2010, 18:57 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-65: jake had gert & al ..still he needed eddie…pieter has 2 plonkers so equip him with proper / more astute people by his side…the gunning for pieters head started on the day of his appointment because the folk up north wanted meyer
5 Sep 2010, 18:58 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-60: yeah, definitely not divvy’s fault on his own, just seems:
1. He and his coaching team are not tactically astute. It took them 3 games to realise and adjust to the quicker pace of play AND realise that they cannot choose out of form players for the 3Ns
2. He does not have the experience/confidence to manage his senior players and to make hard calls to drop them, ala WO initially, Smit, Habana, etc. This is not just him though, the selectors also come into play here
3. He needs to realise what his says causes unneeded ****. Even if he feels he is right he should realise as an international coach that he needs to check what he says
… all of the above unfortunately has nothing to do with talent, rather experience at the most senior level …
5 Sep 2010, 19:02 pm
also, he does not seem to want to admit that there are issues after any of the losses … that irritates me
5 Sep 2010, 19:06 pm
@danuk(danuk)-68: correct, but here his employers should roll with the punches as well…they appointed a ‘token’ coach so why not give him the panel that would make him / & yourselves shine…now we sit with dumb, dumber & dumberer
5 Sep 2010, 19:10 pm
PDV needs specialist to save us
Dave Alred, Sheryl Calder,MItchell, Jones, NFL kicking coaches, Defense and offense coaches, anything, let us just think outside the box
5 Sep 2010, 19:14 pm
@JL1(JL1)-71: conditioning coach most important…pointless having all this and the players are played into the ground
5 Sep 2010, 19:16 pm
@JL1(JL1)-71: would our Super 14 team’s defensive coaches not help here? They played under the same rules?
Also it’s probably conditioning as well …
The boks at the moment reminds me of England and the lack basics they’ve shown over the last 7 odd years, however their premiership teams played ok
5 Sep 2010, 19:23 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-72: Yes get Coetzee back, he was the fitness doctor from Bloem, highly rated
The other issue is that Pdiv is not a very good selector,maybe a 7 man selection panel could help, I do not know
5 Sep 2010, 19:28 pm
@danuk(danuk)-73: I aso do not believe the hype that we have such depth
Looking at the Currie cup it seems, Lambie and Elton Jantjies are the only ones worth trying
5 Sep 2010, 19:29 pm
There is no doubt there are conditioning issue with the boks.
Where is Phil Mack..
5 Sep 2010, 20:02 pm
@JL1(JL1)-75: You can add,
Lambie
Jantjies
Basson
Mvovo
Hougaard
J. de Jongh
Mapoe (when he can play again)
Alberts
Deysel
Vermuelen
Brussow
Beast
Sykes
Bismarck
Flip (though he cost us with that penalty yesterday. He is young he will learn)
Bekker is still young too will come back better
We have plenty talent.
They all under 25.
I know Frans Steyn is not really game fit, but when he is you can add him too. He is only 23 at the moment. Also the Cheetahs FB is playing great, add him too.
We lack coaches. Put our pride in our pockets and select a kiwi coach. Mitchell and Plum would do just fine. With them there we could cook red hot with those players. Those above for after wc 2011.
5 Sep 2010, 20:06 pm
@Puma(Puma)-77: Who of those are real stand outs that you would say is world class?
5 Sep 2010, 20:07 pm
@JL1(JL1)-74: Never a 7 man selection panel. Not here in SA they would just confuse it even more…….hahahaha.
We do need a conditioning coach, and a defensive coach and any really that we can think of. PdV should equip himself with all the best he can. Nothing wrong with that. BUT has to get rid of Muir and Gold.
5 Sep 2010, 20:12 pm
@JL1(JL1)-78: Was typing 4 names and looke up there again. Then thought actually all of them if they kept on playing at top level. They all need a good time at S15 and then Bok level. Not a once off but let them play together for a season. They are all class.
I also liked Louw but after seeing him with the Boks was not impressed. BUT think with better coaching he would be great. Also he needs more time at top level (International Level) So maybe him too. More game time the better you get at such a young age. NOT over played but played enough to get confidence and game time.
We have plenty talent but NO great coach coming though. Get those two kiwi coaches coach those players I mentioned above. We would have a super duper world class team. Of course we need a TH there too. Can’t think of any just yet.
5 Sep 2010, 20:19 pm
@Puma(Puma)-80: Serious?
We always say that and when they get a green jersey on then they freeze
Deysel, Alberts and Vermeulen are not world class
5 Sep 2010, 20:30 pm
@JL1(JL1)-81: JL1. They are all world class.
Remember last year we had. Potties at 6, Deysel at 7 and Vermeulen at 8 in the E.Boks against the BIL. They were awesome.
Alberts is a magnficent player he could fit in too. Such power, like a machine he is.
Anyhow just mentioned some names. They could all fit in superb with a decent coach/es
5 Sep 2010, 20:31 pm
@JL1(JL1)-81: JL1, Tell you what those players will never freeze. Deysel, Alberts, Vermeulen or Potties. They are hard, hard players that will die for the jersey. We need more of em.
5 Sep 2010, 20:38 pm
If PdV was white he would have been sacked, **** couldn’t even coach the Lions and Gary, well…….when they leave take JP, Bryan, Francios, John, Jaque, Juan and Pierre with, we need some new blood, looks like this WC will be like 2004′s John told his guys to go and have a long hard look in the mirror, John I hope you are first in that line!
5 Sep 2010, 21:02 pm
VOTE WITH YOUR FEET AND REMOTES. The Boks are off my radar until the rot is sorted out. The fans deserve better than this.
5 Sep 2010, 21:02 pm
@Barrybul(Barrybul)-84: dude, playing the race card is soooooo tired
5 Sep 2010, 21:17 pm
OH: “Peter, really man, you are not making life easy for me. I’ve got all sorts of problems and your team isn’t playing so well.”
PD: “Ja Regan, times they change and the mighty fall. Rome wasn’t built in a day but its glory shines on.”
OH: “Peter Rome was sacked, the people murdered and all the treasures were stolen.”
PD: “Ja you can say this and that you know Regan, but time waits for no man and marble statues don’t win you tests.”
OH: “Neither does picking the wrong team.”
PD: “You say this and that and sit on the comfy chairs eating the white guys food but you don’t know rugby. I am the chosen one, like Neo in the Matrix I can see things others can’t.”
OH: “So how come you didn’t see 5 thrashings in a season?”
PD: “Ja you make jokes but you can’t see the code. It’s all there and I study it, like by bible and the stars. In order to find America you have to get lost.”
OH: “America isn’t lost Peter, it’s over the sea. And the Boks were not in the wilderness, they were world and TriNations champs.”
PD: “Moses was the one who saw the burning bush and lead the way to the promised land. Call me coach Moses Regan.”
OH: “Moses led his followers to a land they have been fighting for ever since, he caused a mess and many wars.”
PD: “Ja Regan, rugby is like war, you are either in the trenches like us, or you are with the enemy. Don’t be a German Peter, be a Bok.”
5 Sep 2010, 21:21 pm
Watch them revert to type and borrow the phraseology of Jake and Rudi.
“We can take lots of positives moving forward…”
(Yeah, right!)
5 Sep 2010, 21:25 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-88: At the end of the day, the Boys really put their backs in and are hurting from this one. We don’t go out there to lose and it’s been tough. As the Senior guy not eating for 80 minutes is hard.
The fans we are sorry, we don’t play to lose, going forward we will give it our best and focus.
5 Sep 2010, 22:53 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-89: Jaaaaa…. with two ice-cubes, please. The ref cheated and we have a travel disadvantage too.
(The Great Book of Sport Cliches would have at least half its pages devoted to all the regular post-hoc Bok twaddle.)
5 Sep 2010, 22:57 pm
@XV(XV)-41: its funny isnt it… last 3 games, SA have lost two of them in the last 5 minutes..
some would argue that is a “CHOKE”.
I would agree with them…
cough cough..
5 Sep 2010, 23:43 pm
nothing new here…
Jones sticks knife in
Former Wales captain Kingsley Jones hopes
Jake White stays as coach to ensure
continued problems for the Springboks.
Jones believes that Wales have nothing to
fear in France with possible quarter-final
opponents being either England or South
Africa.
The current Sale Sharks hopes South African
rugby bosses don ’t cave in to the pressure
and sack under-fire coach Jake White after
the Boks humbling Brisbane whitewash.
“As a coach all you can do is get the best
out of players but the way they have been
playing suggests he is not, ” Jones told
Western Mail rugby writer Andy Howell.
“Sometimes you need a change of coach
because a new face can often get a bit more
out of people, and Jake has been there for a
fair time. But I hope he doesn ’t get the sack
because we don’t want that to happen. We
want South Africa’s problems to grow and
grow,” he said.
Jones is clearly out for revenge on the
Springboks after he was skipper of an
injury-decimated Wales squad which
suffered a record 96-13 defeat against the
Springboks eight years ago and he would
like nothing better than Jenkins ’ men to beat
them at the World Cup next year.
He also seems to have forgotten that the
Welsh are in a bit of strife themselves
having surrendered their Six Nations crown
and crashed to a 2-0 Test-series defeat to
Argentina last month.
“Look, it’s a good time to be playing South
Africa and England and it’s an opportunity
for Wales to have a real crack at the World
Cup. New Zealand and France are the
obvious favourites – the French are mine
because they have home advantage – but
Wales have got the players to trouble
anybody.
“We played some great rugby when we
won the Grand Slam last year. As long as we
can get and keep our best players fit, we’ve
got a great chance of making an impact
with the talent we ’ve got,” Jones added.
This entry was posted on Tuesday, July
18th, 2006
6 Sep 2010, 00:40 am
PdV absolutely MUST remain as coach for the Boks for at least the next 5 years. Without him, SA rugby may be in a position where they will not be in a position to blame cheaters, crooked refs, corrupt international organisations or overweight players for any loses…because they probably wont lose too many games (unless they play the AB’s of course…they should be able to keep their 40% win/loss ration against the All Blacks from dropping further)
Without PdV, SA rugby would be in danger of rising (near) to the top of world rugby, and that should be discouraged at all costs.
So, what the NZRU and ARU should be rying out loud and clear is…” we are behind PdV 100%!”
6 Sep 2010, 00:50 am
Oz and NZ don’t want an easybeat contaminating their 3N. If this goes on, SA will be told rather to shove off and play in the weak European tournament, and be replaced by Argentina.
6 Sep 2010, 01:07 am
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-72: @danuk(danuk)-73: @JL1(JL1)-74: @gunther(gunther)-76: Fully agreed !!I have been questioning our game fitness and stamina all the time. However I prefer your wording “conditioning”.We were thoroughly beaten by a better conditioned team yesterday.Every move was done at full pace and with determination.The Aussies were just much sharper than us . This is the fault of the coach primarily!Then it becomes the responsibility of his deputies and then down the ladder.
PLEASE have a look at Spies when you watch the game again. He is the typical example of someone who is either very unfit or couldn’t care a damn.He leaves tackles for the man next to him or in one incident actually jumps aside to avoid contact.NEVER did he run at full pace to cover .Two of the Aussie tries could either have been prevented or at least pushed into the corner to make the conversion kick more difficult.He doesn’t feel like playing rugby at the moment.Get him back to his province to get either rested ,sharpened or conditioned.
The same goes for others in the team including coaching staff
6 Sep 2010, 01:13 am
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-57: The ABs and Aus were not good enough to get through to the semi’s. We beat the teams that beat them.I really think we would have had the better of them as well.
I do not think that is a fair argument.
6 Sep 2010, 01:16 am
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-5: @rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-13: @rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-28: Please don’t leave this blog!You make it very entertaining.I would love to hear your comments on some of the younger players.Please indulge.
6 Sep 2010, 01:29 am
@Puma(Puma)-77:
I hear you. If you do end up getting rid of PdV, Mitchell would be a great choice.
It is, after all, about the journey.
We had our dose of crazy under Mitchell, who progressively became more and more wierd as time went on.
I would fully support the SARU if they did ditch Clown PdV and install Crazy Horse Mitchell as coach.
The two of them would have Fascinating conversations…would love to be a fly on teh wall for those.
hey, here is an idea…drop one of the other stooges (who may have a tiny bit of a clue) and bring on Mitchell…the media would love those Q&A sessions!
6 Sep 2010, 01:34 am
So what happened JC and co ? Its Monday and PDv is still there ? Another one of your open secrets farce exposed.
6 Sep 2010, 01:43 am
I am not always the optimist (when it comes to SA Rugby administration) BUT I think this is the first step in a process to get rid of PDV. You cannot sack the Bok coach and not have a suitabel replacement. Gold and Muir are not otherwise either of them would have been obvious choices. The hunt is on for a new coach but such is the absurdity of the position that there are not many candidates ready to play politics and sport at the smae time. Whilst many have been calling fro PDV, Muir and Gold’s respective heads not too many names are being mentioed as replacements.
It cannot be a foreigner – simply because a foreigner wouldn’t understand the whole political quota thing.
Could someone please list the 5 obvious candidates becuase I am struggling here?
6 Sep 2010, 01:47 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-99:
I tell you what happened; PDivvy got a stay of execution from the master clowns at saru. This may be excellent news for PDivvy but is terrible news for the Boks and the Bok supporters.
Not only do we have to sit up with more clueless team selections played by a team without any semblance of a plan and poor substitutions along the way but PDivvie will also get a ‘final’ warning (and I use that term loosely as he will never be fired!) which means that instead of resting players for the EOYT he will again be ‘forced’ to select the only players he really can.
Expect to see the majority of the players from last Saturday to run out for the first test in November…
6 Sep 2010, 01:57 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-100:
Aish Kesbok, you making the same old mistake many before you have made…you implying that the people at saru can actually think AND make plans
At the end of the day the people that got him the job in the first place will not allow him to be fired.
In fantasy world maybe the following names can be put in the hat:
Allister Coetzee
Heyneke Meyer
Rassie
Jake
Maybe Ed the Lip to make up the numbers.
The likelihood of one making it is probably in the same order as above…
And my choice, any one but PDivvie…my old high school has some decent coaches!
6 Sep 2010, 01:59 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-100:
You know what? I think you are wrong. At this point in time (not in general I might add) a foreign coach may in fact be the BEST thing for SA Rugby. Precisely BECAUSE he wouldn’t understand or care about the political quota thing. And if he was strong enough, would ignore it. he would be protected from the racisim thing BECAUSE he wouldn’t have the whole historical baggage. Tell you who would be a great coach for SA…Buck Shelford. Absolutely loved by the NZ public, but hated by the NZRU because of personality issues.
He has possibly the greatest winning record of any NZ captain, and has the “tough as nails” kind of persona that any Boer would respect…hell, getting a nut ripped out during a game, getting it stiched back in then going back to continue playing….thats tough.
I think he would neutralise the politics that is having such a detrimental effect on your Rugby.
In saying that, NOT till AFTER next years WC thankyou. Keep PdV for now!
6 Sep 2010, 02:15 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-100: Heyneke Meyer plus 4 others
6 Sep 2010, 02:20 am
104 – Meyer is a great coach but I doubt he will want to coach the Boks they way other want them coached.
If i were to go for a off shore coach, John Mitchell is helping out at the Lions (I think) – give him a call. Where is Louis Luyt when you need him???!
6 Sep 2010, 02:29 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-105:
Mitchell is an enigma, if you get him, sign him for max two years. After that it is downhill all the way…
6 Sep 2010, 03:03 am
i would take chances with Mitchell – good coach and would like the SA Rugby culture. I can see why Mitchell fell out of favour with some of the Aussie players at the Force but in SA it would be OK.
Academic – it will never happen.
Mitchell is not a YESMAN -
6 Sep 2010, 03:13 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-108:
I kinda do wish they would get Mitchell, but mate, your players would revolt.
The typical SA rugby player is a very large, very strong man who over powers their opponents…its brawn rather than brains. And to be fair, it generaly works very very well.
Given that, I don’t suppose there are too many “thinkers” in the majority of SA trams, certainly not in the packs anyway. Mitchells methods would confuse these players….and the ones who could follow his logic…well, Mitchell would get rid of them…Christian Cullen QED.
But good luck with that.
6 Sep 2010, 03:54 am
I happen to think that Pieter DeVile rs is a great coach for the springbok team.
What other coach can do what he has done for the national side, with the RWC just a year away and players looking worse for wear should bode well for the Kiwi supporters at the very least.
Also, as Keo pointed out, with the climax of the Boks Tri-Nations no longer in doubt, we can all concerntrate on the quality of players in the currie cup, well at least the 0zzies will (they still need players for the Melbourne side) and I guess some of the NZ sides will have a go (since none of the CC players will be picked for the Boks) at picking up a few promising guys.
This should all work out well for the SARU, I feel that perhaps you will soon be fielding only a national football (roundball) side (perhaps this is what really is behind the current political endeavours) the erosion of “white” rule Rugby…..
Another thing we should keep in mind, is the inclusion of Argentina 2012, with the Boks current team, Argentina will win at least a few games immediately, this will be great for the competition.
So, all in all, I would have to say, things just couldnt be any better and I feel the majority would agree with me.
6 Sep 2010, 03:55 am
“…hell, getting a nut ripped out during a game, getting it stiched back in then going back to continue playing….thats tough.”
Well, maybe for some reason that was not so sore.
6 Sep 2010, 04:10 am
@Springbokvel(Springbokvel)-111:
Possibly not feeling that pain so much as the pain from 4 teeth that were kicked out during the same incident…or the concussion from the boot to the head…again the same incident.
6 Sep 2010, 04:36 am
This is a brilliant plan on the part of PDV……….
I dont know why I didnt think of it before, PDV is just amazing lolling the world into a false sense of security, having the BOKS play really badly one year into the RWC and then slamming another RWC crown (talk about your conspiracy theory).
This is the absolute in deception, Wow………!!!!
PDV is without doubt, the best ever Rugby coach since 0zzie Jones…
Perhaps he will even throw the grand slam attempt in the NH, this is a master plan, second to none….well done Saffers!!!.
6 Sep 2010, 05:18 am
109. k1w1in0z(k1w1in0z) ha ha ha
I first thought you were serious but now I see you are a another piss taking kiwi blogger.
6 Sep 2010, 05:20 am
@k1w1in0z(k1w1in0z)-112:
You really think so? Wow!
6 Sep 2010, 05:23 am
@k1w1in0z(k1w1in0z)-112: I dont know where you get that the boks are playing really badly. They are just a tad off the pace
With the right conditioning, their big men will be human wrecking balls.
The EOYT will be a wee problem for PDV, the balancing of a few older heads guiding a new young crop will not be without detractors. This approach should not be frowned upon, this is the time to bring on the mud-runners. New Zealand is not renown for fast pitches and the EOYT is the perfect pre-cursor to develop the depth required for the World Cup.
6 Sep 2010, 05:29 am
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-115:
Tis ok Rulz, kiwi is just enjoying the moment as it never last…he can make as much fun as he wants but the wheel turns.
As for the end of year and PDivvie, if, and nothing to suggest otherwise, he is still around he will be in a very difficult situation. He may well have an ultimatum that he should perform or else… That being the case he will not select any young and untested.
6 Sep 2010, 05:31 am
Ah yes, and congrats with the win. The happiness on the faces of the Wobblies after the final whistle surely gave you an almost teary eye… If not for his ears I think Beale’s smile would have gone right round his head!
6 Sep 2010, 05:35 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-116: I honestly do not get the Kiwi sentiment. Big deal they are top of the pile, good luck to them.
Taking the core of the current team and as many newbs as possible is smart in my opinion. He can have the luxury of rotating his stars, stacking his bench to save the day if they are needed. It is the only way to have his cake and to eat it
May unearth a 10… this is needed, far too much emphasis sits on Morne. We had the same problem with a far more talented 10, Stephen Larkham.
6 Sep 2010, 05:37 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-117: yeah it was as if they’re celebrating RWC 11 already…
6 Sep 2010, 05:38 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-117: Thank you very much. I recall watching Kurtley as a schoolboy, he was magical. Guided his team with maturity beyond his years.
6 Sep 2010, 05:39 am
i don’t get why some here are questioning Mitchell’s commitment to transformation
the man has 3 quotas every starting match: elton janties, waylon murray & edgar marutlulle.
6 Sep 2010, 05:39 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-119: It is rude in my opinion. The AB fan base on quite a few sites should pull their heads in.
6 Sep 2010, 05:41 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-121: If Mitchell has a free reign he wont give a rats about transformation. He will put the best man in his position on the pitch. The man wont fark about with egos.
6 Sep 2010, 05:41 am
Every man will be there because he is the best possible candidate… how it should be.
6 Sep 2010, 05:43 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-119:
Nope, that will be the Kiwis patting themselves on the back after seeing their main compitition for next year.
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-120:
Hehe and I gave him extra marks for his falcon, that was a beautie
He does need to work on his defence but another S15 at 15 will sort all that out.
6 Sep 2010, 05:56 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-125: I agree with his D, it is improving. The falcon was something
at least he turned and made the tackle… it could have easily been another try 
6 Sep 2010, 07:38 am
@hashi(hashi)-111:
Hashi hoekom ish jou shtert sho kort…
6 Sep 2010, 09:51 am
JC and Keo ..
I thought PDV was getting the sack on Sunday
you lot are a proper joke! -
6 Sep 2010, 09:52 am
jokejokejokejoke
6 Sep 2010, 13:29 pm
The logical step would be to dismiss him post-haste. The damage he has inflicted on South African rugby is literally irreversible.
8 Sep 2010, 09:03 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-119:
Ive still yet to read ONE Kiwi convert TriN’10 victory in to RWC’11 glory – show me where !
I have, on the other hand, PLENTY of Safas here who predicted that the Boks “WILL win RWC’11″ purely on the back of S14 domination this year. Super-rugby, FFS.
Get those forensic researchers at Transformation HQ busy and dig out the “Kiwi will win RWC’11″, because my reply would be easier than going fishing for salmon in a barrel with a shotgun.
and you know it.
8 Sep 2010, 09:19 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-131: if you take the time to read my post in relation to who and what i was replying to, you will see i was referring to the australian players’ celebrations after last saturday’s bloemfontein Test.
8 Sep 2010, 09:55 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-132:
Fair point. However, are you now also saying you havent made these allegations ? Poppa has merely been giving you guys a bit of what-for after 12mths of insufferable Safa gloating, and apparently this is translated in to Kiwis thinking the RWC is already theirs. Or are you now denying youve said this ?
Because you know I may have been a bit hasty at 131, but the content is bang-on.
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